GYM GIRLS LOCKER ROOM - Breaking Barriers in Fitness: Gina (@just_geen) on Representation, Overcoming Imposter Syndrome, and the Life-Changing Magic of Walking

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

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Hello and welcome back to the Gym Girls' Ocrum podcast hosted by me, Sydney Cassidy. In this episode today, we have a chat with a long time fitness creator and general baddie, honestly. I just, she is the coolest. Founder of Beats and Bands, Gina, which if you don't know what Beats and Bands is, it's basically a movement that blends music and exercise to make fitness accessible for everyone. They do the coolest events. It legit looks like a concert. Like it literally looks like you're just like out with your girls vibing and also working out at the same time. I love it. We cover everything from training through your cycle and evolving workout splits to the impact of representation and social media in the fitness

space. Gina opens up about community, cultural heritage, imposter syndrome and the joy of intentional movement. It's an honest and uplifting conversation about finding balance through fitness. Enjoy it. You're going to love it as always. And don't forget to give us a follow and leave a rating if you could be so kind. I hope you guys love the episode and I will catch you in the next one. How are you? I'm good. I'm having a bad period day but I'm good. Same. I'm not normally a girl that like gets bad period pain. Mine's hit and miss but today, today is the ghetto.

One of the like first things we like to ask just a silly little question at the start is what's your split? I was going to say what do you mean my training split? It was like my split. So I train four times a week and I will do gonna be honest I used to do two upper bodies and two lower bodies now it's's one upper body, a cardio and ab day and then two lower bodies. Oh love yeah I've just recently got on like I was always and like everyone listening will know this because I always used to scream about how I just thought that the like push-pull legs split was just like so superior I was like this is so great but then like now I'm doing so much more

like variation I've really got on board then like now I'm doing so much more like variation. I've really got on board with like the upper body, lower body or like even full body. I never thought I'd be a full body girly, but like sometimes. Do you know what? I think I've definitely changed over the years, but I think also I listen to my body a lot now,

a lot more now than I did before. So for example, today I planned to go do my cardio. So I don't like doing cardio and weights in one session. So I don't mind going to the gym twice a day. So I went this morning to do stair master and treadmill and then obviously I came in my period. So everything went to, yeah. And I was, it was so funny because I was literally like fighting myself on the stair master. Like in my head, I was like, I need to finish this. But my body was literally telling me the complete opposite. But I was, it was so funny because I was literally like fighting myself onto the master. Like in my head, I was like, I need to finish this. But my body was literally telling me the complete opposite. But I was like, no, I need to finish this. And then I was just like, I'm going

to die on this treadmill because of ego. Like let me take my silly ass off this thing and go home. Because it was, yeah, I just, I had to listen to myself because my body was telling me, Gina, we can't do this. So I just, yeah. I feel like you feel it so much more like I really wasn't like for the first like couple of years of like my fitness journey, I really wasn't like a cardio girlie at all. Whereas now I would say I'm like, yeah, we all start that way, don't we? But then like, but then now like I am doing, I would say like half and half like cardio and like weight training and like I find that cardio when you're like, I mean like first day of your period, second day of your period like that

is tough. Like I, my friends took me, it was my birthday like the other day and my friends took me to like a spin course. It's like tell me your into fitness, bloody hell like doing that on your birthday. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, but like I did it it it's like you know like one of those like vibe-y ones so we went there and I was like first day of my period and I was like this is this is unpleasant like this is unpleasant and then I also was like doing a run yesterday and I was just like nah it's just a different kind of like feeling to like oh I'm not feeling

motivated I don't want to go you know. Do you find that when you're like on or coming on like fatigue is a thing. So like for me this whole week, I knew I was coming on today, but like the fatigue was so intense and I was like, I'm tired from my soul. Like my bones feel tired. I'm so tired. Every cell in my body. Yeah. Like even the simplest of things. Like I just thought, wow, this is, Mother Nature's really doing its thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I definitely agree. And I think that's where I like notice it more so with cardio. I feel like with lifting, it's more just kind of like a, oh, I haven't got like that oomph or I'm not hitting the same numbers. But I think cardio, it's just because it's a full body kind of thing. It's just like it really takes it from you

I feel like there's so much more like awareness and like Education certainly like on the online space you said yourself like where people used to ignore it and just be like, oh whatever People are starting to be like so much more in tune like a lot. Yeah I love that. We just like literally dropped straight into like It's the gym girls locker room so we have to exactly how would you position yourself right now? Like you've been in the fitness space for like years But I feel like right now like your focus Would it be fair to say is your baby beats and bands or would you say like my little love child? We'll get out of that probably but like yeah, do you do where how would you say like... Yeah, my little love child. Love it. Love. Incredible. We'll get onto that properly, but like, yeah, do you...

How would you describe yourself to, like, people that don't know you right now? I know, it's weird, because I'm like, I do so many different things. So I'd say I'm... Because I don't even really personal train anymore, but like, I would naturally just be like, I'm a personal trainer, online coach. I have a love child called Beats and Bands. And I just love all things fitness. I'd call myself, do you know what?

I'd call myself a fitness entrepreneur. So anything to do with fitness and business and in that space is where I currently feel like I'm at. Yeah. No, I think that's so good. Cause I also feel like when someone does ask you what you do, and especially for us that do like a little bit of this, we do this and this and like,

you're like, well actually like I could say like I have like seven jobs, it's almost like reductive to be like, oh yeah, I'm just a personal trainer. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no So I always reduce it to, I'm a personal trainer, right? And then we exchange socials and then they come back and they're like, excuse me, like, I went through your socials and you do a lot more than you said, I'm like. I know, it's one of those things where it's, cause it's not so clear cut, like, oh, I go to work a nine to five to do this, it's like, it's just a little bit of this, that and everything in between.

Should we talk about Beats and Bands first? Or do you want to talk about like... We can. Yeah, I feel like, come on. I feel like... Can you explain like what it is in summary? Okay, so Beats and Bands is basically a banded work art class where we go to the beat of the music, hence Beats and and bands, but in a club

like setting. So the whole environment is meant to be like you're having the best time with your best people and it doesn't feel like a workout. So like the hashtag is mixing fitness with litness. So you're lit, you're having a good time, but you're also getting fit. And yeah, that's kind of it. I think the reason why I came up with the concept was because I realised not everybody actually likes working out. Obviously us we're professionals so for us it'd be live and breathe it but I realised with like a lot of the clients that I had I always kept getting asked like how do you stay motivated and for me it was always like I do things that I like and I do things that I enjoy so find your thing like find what works for you. My personality is heavily influenced by music, so music is a big part of me.

And I like to dance and shake my ass from time to time. So I just literally brought, I guess for me, all the best sides of me together and created the brand. I feel like everybody who's been would say that it's an experience that at least everybody needs to try. I feel like even looking at the videos like guys honestly you have to go and check even whilst I was researching for today's episode I was like damn like you've really taken that concept and you've actually like sent it

like a thousand percent like thank you it looks like it does look like such a vibe like such a good time It was like, it does look like such a vibe. Such a good time. Yeah, such a good rhyme. It is really. And that's not even me saying it from a, because it's my baby. Because I always say to people, unfortunately for me,

I never get to experience it like a consumer. And I really wish that one day I could, because I don't really take in the moment until like it's passed and everyone's over it. Because in the moment, the planning, the prepping, I'm very much an anxious person. So a lot of it is, the buildup is really anxious. Even on the day, and I've done it so many times, but before I go on stage, I'm really anxious and it's the same process and feeling.

But when I get on that stage and I see everybody in the room and the energy, I'm just like, no, you guys are really having a good time. You pick a good venue as well, right? So the venue's a nightclub, basically. Oh, makes sense. It's literally in a nightclub. We've only done it in one venue and every time we've done it, it's literally been in a nightclub. So you've got the mood lighting that you'd have in a club, you've got the stage. The venue we've got is really good as well. So we've got like the mood lighting that you'd have in a club, you've got the stage. The venue we've got is really good as well. So we've got an upstairs and downstairs.

So you have people on both floors. You've got a bar at the back. And then obviously you've got the nightclub sound. So music wise, you literally feel it in your soul. And yeah, the energy is just insane. And you have like, what's your capacity? Because it looks like it is full. Yeah. So there's a lot. I think the? Because it looks like it is full. Yeah. I think

the first one I think we went a bit overboard. Tried an error I'd say. So we I think the venue capacity was like 1700. But because it's fitness, you kind of have to take into consideration people need space. So we had like 1000 people in there. Like everyone was literally like stuck like glue, but it was a good time. But since then we've reduced the capacity. So now we usually have between 600 to 700 people. It's so sick. I saw you have performers as well.

So the way we do it is, I guess the long-term goal is for it to be like a fitness festival. So having people work out to their favorite artists and having the artists perform. So the way we've gone about it is we have like special guests that we get to come out and we never announce who they are just because number one, we might not always be able to get an artist and number two, the element of surprise.

So every time we've done it, we've never actually announced who's gonna come on stage. But the way we kind of do it is towards the end of the workout when we've done the main part and everyone's kind of like, you can tell everyone's tired and we're kind of cooling down. That's when the artist comes out and performs. And then we do like a very light routine to the artist's performance. And I think the reason why that's also good as well is I feel like now we're in a stage of like social media where whenever you go to a concert, you're literally just like this, like recording the artist and not really taking it in. So with the way my class is, because it's a workout class, you're kind

of less likely going to be on your phone with your phone in your hand and actually take in the person performing and doing a workout. So I feel like you kind of get a better experience. And then it's also good for the artist because you get more crowd engagement and participation. Yeah, I feel like that is the word like experience. I think that is exactly what it is. It's like you're there to just absorb it, take it in. It is so much more than just like exercising. I saw like the videos that you guys posted afterwards. I'm like the girls are like screaming and like dancing.

It's so sick. Who do you find like the typical kind of person or is it like a big mix of people? Like who are the people showing up? I'd say it's a mix. I think most people are women. So we do have a few men that have come, but in terms of like fitness levels, I'd say everybody.

I've had people bring their parents. I've had pregnant women. I've had beginners. I've had pros. I think because it's more dancey, you can basically scale it down for every person, if you get what I mean. So I always do say in the beginning, like if you get tired, just dance because you've got

good music. As long as you're still moving your body in the room, it's fine. And obviously you've got the resistance band. So there's, if you want to make it harder, you can add another band. If you don't, if it's getting too difficult, you can take it off. But I'd say it's definitely a mix. Also, what I love is the girlies who don't actually like working out whose friends drag them there. And they're like, you know, well, I actually don't like going to the gym. I don't like working out, but I'd come to your class all day, every day,

because I had so much fun and I didn't realize I was working out and that's what I need. So I do get a lot of that as well. Because I think a lot of people that like, say they don't like exercising, I kind of feel like I almost want to challenge them. Because I'm like, well, I feel like what you're saying

is you haven't found something that you like, you know? Like you haven't found something that you like you know like you haven't found something that you connect with because I've so been there I'm sure you've been there like I mean there's such a spectrum of things that you could do it feels like it's really sort of like suitable for all abilities I think that's so lovely you could literally bring anyone with you sometimes it feels like there's like this entry sort of like level you have to be to go to certain things because I do have a lot of people say oh it's like I'm not fit at the minute or I'm not in the gym at the minute, I don't think we're going to be able to keep up. And I'm like, guys, come, trust me.

Even if you can't keep up with the full workout, you will find it work for you in some capacity. And a lot of the time they did. I think also what I love is the people that come by themselves. So I've had a lot of people who are like, my friends aren't into fitness and no one wants to come with me. So I'm like, just come by yourself, trust me, you'll make friends. And so many people have come and connected with people there and just made friends, like whether that's in the queue or when you're in the workout room. Because I feel like in a class, you're always going to kind of build a rapport with

the person next to you or in front of you or behind you just because. And through them doing that, they've now made friends or like now they've created their own fitness community. And because I've done a few, they now meet up and come together. So that's really beautiful. That's definitely an element of it that I really love as well. I think for me, my main thing is community. I'm very, very, very big on gym community and having like a community of people around you, because fitness is hard and it can get challenging.

But I feel like if you've got the right people around you to kind of like hold you up and stuff it will make the journey and the process so much better. That's something that I feel like my journey has been very much focused on that. That's what Gymnoplogom is about, is about community and even like my own content that I produce. For me it had such a like profound effect on me because I started fitness as I'm sure a lot of people do, wanting to like work on yourself and get out of like a bad sort of place you're in. And I just couldn't believe how different and how like amazing and kind and just helpful the gym and fitness community are. And like this thing of the people in the fitness community want you to be like the best version of yourself and they'll help you. And I think especially if you don't necessarily have that in other areas of your life, you know, people that allow you to be like the best version of yourself and they'll help you. And I think, especially if you don't necessarily have that in other areas of your life, you know, people that allow you to be that best version of yourself, then that's where like, you'll really see that, that there's a space and a place for that in this fitness space. So I totally agree.

Have you always had that sense of community? No, and that's the thing. I thought I was that person who started working out like similar to you, like I came up with bad relationship and I needed something to focus on. And my background, I've never been athletic, never been into sports. I was overweight as a child. Like exercise was not my thing at all. And I'm quite religious and spiritual. So I feel like I was kind of led to start exercising. Like it didn't come from me, if you get what I mean. I started running and I used to find it very therapeutic but again no one around me was really into like fitness and stuff so besides my male friends so I kind of like latched onto them and started going

gym with them and then they kind of taught me how to work out and stuff and then I found a gym community and they just literally became my family and I became really like I feel like I've got so many different types of groups and communities but the one community that I love the most is my fitness community because it's special. It's literally special. Wow, I feel like we've literally had the same origin story. I literally had the same… I had these gym bros that like… I love the gym bros. Loved the gym bros literally. I literally miss them so much because I don't live in London

anymore and like whenever I go back to like where I used to live and the first gym I ever started in it's like my mission every single time to go and see them. I just I think it doesn't matter who it is but take you under their wing and just kind of show you. It means you can sort of like relinquish control and be like okay fine. That's why they say like going with a friend is so good and I bet like you know if people are too intimidated to go to yours alone, even though they'd be fine, like, I'm sure you get a lot that you said, drag their friends along and that sort of thing.

I wanted to ask you what your opinion is. Obviously it's called Beats and Bands, right? I don't know, maybe this is just my perception, but I feel like in the fitness space, bands have just been kind of like demonized. Oh demonized, yeah. And do you know what? Yeah, and I'd love to know like your take on that.

Do you know what? It's interesting because I guess for me, I've always kind of been a person who used bands here and there and then lockdown is when I became really like, I mean gyms were closed, so that's when I kind of leaned heavily more into banded workouts and being at home. And we came out of lockdown and again, it kind of died down. But because I've used bands for quite some time and I've always kind of had them in my programs previously, I know how beneficial they can be. Now I'm not out here saying that coming to my class

is gonna grow you a big massive bum and legs and stuff like that. So I think as long as the messaging is clear, cause I think that's what the issue is. The reason why bands have been demonised is based on how people portray it to work. I think if you're very clear, then it's fine. Like since doing it, I haven't had any like negative... No, but to be fair, I did have one guy who like kept repeatedly commenting on my videos and was like, oh, coaches like you make me sick.

You're lying to the world and telling everyone that this is going to benefit them. What they need to be doing instead is, and he just kept, and I just thought, are you bored or are you bored? Cause like, I just, I ignored him anyway. I didn't, I didn't bother with the back and forth, but I literally thought you actually are bored because you're, you're arguing with yourself right now. Um, but he was just like, you're, you're lying. Co coaches like you make me sick, you're basically selling people a dream and making it seem as if this is going to benefit them and help them lose weight when it's not. And I'm like, guys, I'm just trying to encourage everyone to move their body and have a good time. Honestly.

That's literally it. That is it. That is literally it. Move your body and have a good time. That is all. I feel like, yeah, they're just, I mean, love that it's a man, so not surprised. No, literally. Like, why you, do you not realize? I literally thought, why are you in women's business

in the first place? Exactly. You shouldn't be here, but yeah. I asked because I actually see you using it in like a really sort of functional way. And I, in my mind, I feel like the narrative that you see a lot is like ah bands remember when they used to tell us bands but like actually no you're using it to just add a little I assume resistance whilst you're working on just the brilliance of

using bands and especially with like what you're doing is that like piece that we already spoke about like accessibility and then like actually I feel like what you're doing is that piece that we already spoke about, accessibility. And that actually, I feel like what you're offering is something that really is that gateway into having the confidence to do more with your body and move. And dancing is something that is so innate in so many people. I think it's wonderful and I think, oh, screw him. What was the experience of the first one? How did you even come to do it? Is it all off your own back? I had the idea in the shower.

I tell the story all the time. Love it. The shower is where I get all my good ideas. So I was usually in the shower and I was like, okay, cool, what's next? What's the next thing that I wanna do? I teach classes already. And the thing is, I've always taught that style.

So I started teaching like that, I'd say just after lockdown. So but obviously in like a much smaller setting, like normal classes. But I knew that I wanted to create a concert kind of vibe. And I think the problem with me is I'm very much, I feel like I went a bit too big the first time. So I just had like, my chest was a bit too high, but I was like, no, I'm very much, I feel like I went a bit too big the first time. So I just had like, my chest was a bit too high, but I was like, no, I'm going to try it. Because sometimes people ask me, what made you think you could sell a thousand tickets? I was like, honestly,

delusion. Delusion. Delusion. I teach for Gymshark. So I do a lot of classes at Gymshark, but obviously they're free. So I was like, this is delusion because I've never actually done anything in this capacity where people actually have to spend money. And I was like, this is delusion because I've never actually done anything in this capacity where people actually have to spend money. And I feel like it's different when you go from like free events to charging, especially where people are very much used to accessing you for free, if you get what I mean. So I was definitely on the edge about that, but I was just like, you know what, feel free to do it anyway. So I'm really blessed to have an amazing team of friends.

So everybody on my team, this five of us, they're all my friends, literally friends that have become family who all specialize in their own ways. So I've got someone who does brand partnerships, someone who is event coordinator, operations manager, someone who does creative strategizing. So everyone on my team is literally a friend. And I literally was like, guys, I have this idea.

What do you guys think? And they were like, sick, let's do it. And I was like, really? And they're like, yeah. And I was like, guys, this might not make any money. Like this isn't even a money thing. Like, I just want to see how it goes. And they're like, yeah, we're done. So we just put our head stick over, started doing meetings and my friends, so two of them, they actually have their own events company on the side. So when it comes to venues and all that kind of stuff, they already have the contacts and whatnot. So we set up a couple venue site visits, viewed them and we're just like, yeah, we're just going to do it. So I think, and it was so interesting because

again, I hadn't, I hadn't teased anything. I hadn't, there was no like promo leading up to what I was going to do. I just one day just was like, okay, boom. and I was so surprised because we sold over 50% in the first 24 hours and I was like whoa so there clearly was I guess some sort of demand and I guess it's because it hadn't been done before. I'm not saying that it hadn't but because No Idea is original and I know that there's probably events out there that are very similar. I feel like yeah it was fresh it was exciting different. I'm going to say Delusion had a massive, massive part to play in the whole process. It was very scary though, like extremely scary. Do you struggle with like imposter syndrome at all?

Massively. Do you know what I find which is so interesting, and I was saying this, I've been in this industry since, oh a very long time, I'm just going to show? And I was saying this, I've been in this industry since a very long time, I was going to show my age, since 2012, right? I've been here for a very long time. And I feel like when I was, when I first got into the industry, I was a lot more fearless. So I did a lot more things on a whim. If I had an idea, I'd execute it straight away. And even with the anxiety leading up to whatever it was I was doing, it was nowhere near what I experience now. And now I'm in my head so much more. And I would have, I would have expected in post-syndrome to

get better, the more experience I got, but it's, it's gone the other way around. And I feel like it's because I guess now I've got more to lose. Whereas before, because it was fairly new to me, and I was just winging it and trying out things, it didn't really matter if it didn't happen or whatever because I'm kind of just finding my feet. Whereas now I feel like because my feet are very cemented on the ground, there's so much to lose. So I'm an over thinker, unfortunately. So I overthink everything. It's not an enjoyable experience, but I do always say though, I'm very passionate. So if I don't feel how I feel, then I would be worried. So I kind of, I try and put a positive spin on it and say it's because you actually want

this to work really well. So if you ever find that you're a bit too calm, you should be worried. Everything you say, I'm just like, yeah, girl, I agree. It's like this thing where you think you're gonna be, as you move through and you do more and more scary things and you gain more experience, you think, oh yeah, this is fine, I'm gonna be fine. And I'm gonna move through things with total and utter confidence in myself and my position I'm in.

But it just doesn't work that way, does it? I do agree, it is good to be nervous because it shows you care and like that anxiety. As long as it's a healthy amount of anxiety, it's always good. If you're too relaxed, it's like, girl, what's wrong? So how did you start working with Gymshop?

So kind of after lockdown, no, it was during lockdown. Okay, so if I'm honest, I feel like, do you remember like the whole Black Lives Matter movement in 2019? Not 2020. And a lot of stuff happened. You had like the George Floyd stuff and then the Black Lives Matter movement. And then I feel like a lot of brands are being called out. And leading up to Black History Month, I got approached by Gymshark to do a conversation to speak about the experience of being like a black woman in the fitness industry. And it was like a panel discussion with me,

but I wasn't actually, I was like the host because I also had a podcast on the side. So I hosted it with three of their athletes in America. So we did that online. And that's kind of literally where the relationship began. So after that, because I had my own community, I did the Gymshark 66, kind of like January to March challenge,

but with my community. And then after that, I just, again, because I was teaching and teaching beats and band style stuff, I did one for them. And then, which again, was like on a smaller scale. And then I went abroad for like six months. And then they asked me to do another one, but it would, this time was in Box Park. So it was like a lot bigger, um, with more people. And again, same thing, just on a bigger scale. And then it just, yeah, it just kind of happened there. So I just used to work with them kind of like on an ad hoc basis as on when,

was mainly based on teaching and then the store opened. So leading up to the store opening, we then had a conversation about, you know, the store's opening, we'd love to have you have a residency in teaching the store. And then, yeah, the rest is history. When they obviously like found you for that initial conversation did you have

like a social media presence then what what kind of capacity were you in the fitness space? I'd say numbers wise I'd probably say I was like under 50 so I'd probably say between like 30 and 50k yeah around that mark. And did you start creating in lockdown was it were you wanted to go down Gally? Sid this is what I'm saying I have been around I've been on Mark Zuckerberg's internet for a very long time like wait how old are you how old are you? I've just turned 27. Girl so I've been around the girl girl I get a fossil fuel, like my sister is 23 and she reminds me daily that I am a millennial and I'm old.

Oh yeah, they have opinions about millennials now don't they? They're very harsh, she reminds me all the time that I'm over 30 all the time, I'm like I'm very wet I know. But yeah though I've been doing content for, literally. I joined Instagram in like 2012. And I'm talking when Instagram had like five filters, you couldn't do videos, everything was square, the old Instagram logo. Like it was, it was like, I've been there from the beginning. In a fitness capacity as well. Yeah. So it was so interesting because all I did was post fitness pictures because there

was no videos, right? Of course. So I would literally post, it was like a Tumblr, you know like where you just post a picture of like dumbbells or like you post a treadmill. Oh yeah, she's got an aesthetic. It was literally that because you couldn't do videos and I didn't like selfies so like it was very much gym pictures, it was literally that because you couldn't do videos and I didn't like selfies so like it was very much gym pictures it was so interesting and then the gym then they released videos and so but remember videos at the time was only 15 seconds long so I would literally fit a workout

video in 15 seconds and it would be on like speed times two because you need she's like the og short form content literally you would need to fit the whole workout in 15 seconds. Oh my gosh, this is making me laugh. I can't believe you remember this as well. I remember everything. Yeah, I remember. I remember everything. And I don't delete my...

You know how when you become bigger and better, you delete an archive? No, no, no. I love to go down memory lane because it just it really shows me how far I've come it's hilarious and it means a fringe so badly but I love it so everything's still there so sometimes I'll just be bored of scroll all the way down I'm like Gina you're so embarrassing why did you used to do that well like why did you used to wear that to the gym I've been there for Like the things you like my thing is like um the things that I'd put as captions I'm just like oh I put that text on the videos I'm like wow but that's really interesting because I feel like the

fitness online space explode for me it feels like with everyone that I speak with it kind of exploded out of lockdown so I feel like also my story my out of lockdown. And I feel like, immensely. So that's also my story. The trajectory, lockdown. So like I said, I've always been around, I've always done content and nothing changed for me. Even in terms of consistency, like I've just always been someone who's posted and whatnot.

Lockdown, I guess is where I got a lot more visibility because everybody was at home. And so lockdown definitely helped improve my visibility and brought a lot more traction to my page and stuff. But I've been around for ages. Do you know what's really funny as well? I remember in, I think it was 2017, I remember reaching out to Gymshark,

or like one of the ladies there who she was like head of PR at the time. And I remember I messaged her in like a DM and obviously she didn't get back to me. And then when we did one of our activations she saw the message and she was like oh my gosh and I was like do you know how embarrassing this is for me that this is even still there like it's still part of our conversation and she was like oh my gosh you're so sweet and I was like but you know what for me it just goes to show that timing is everything because I'm actually

glad you didn't get back to me back then because I probably wasn't ready to get back. Yeah, completely. We always talk about like how you just really should never give up because you just don't know what's in the back of your mind. You don't know like what is right around that corner. Like I've had it happen to me time and time again these things that I've like yearned and literally pined for and been like so disappointed literally have their way of working themselves out and then you always look back and you're like it makes sense Everything makes sense. But yeah, I know them cringey. Oh DMs you send I have someone I'm like someone will reply and I'll just like audibly gasp. I'll be like, oh my god I can't believe that they, I sent them that

But it's part of the story. It's literally part of the story. Yeah How important is it for you to represent being like a black female in the fitness space and online and like piggybacking off what you were talking about with like Gymshark wanting to open up this dialogue I'd love to hear like your opinions on that. Yeah no I think it's a's so important to me and it's a massive part of my story and my journey because like I said, I've been in the industry for a very long time. So I've witnessed and experienced a lot, like going to events and being like the taken black girl or and again, because I know the space, I know that there's a lot more people in the industry than just me. So it always used to confuse me when I'd go to events and there'd be so many other people, so many people in

the room, but then I'd literally stick out like a sore thumb. And it was, it was just the norm though. So I would always talk about it. So even when I look back again, like I said, I've got old videos, it was always something that I spoke about whenever I did many interviews or like YouTube talks and stuff, I'd always talk about wanting to represent black women and being in a space where people are seen. Because when I first started, there wasn't any black British influencers or anyone in the fitness space online. They were all American. So all my influences were American to begin with.

And I didn't have anyone in the UK to follow because I just didn't know where they were and I couldn't find them. So for me, I wanted to create the me that I needed when I first started working out and wanted to get into this space. So that's always kind of been at the back of my mind, like be the person that you wish you had when you first started this journey and bring the community together. But I definitely think it's important and it's definitely got better. It's improved since me coming into the industry. So I've seen the growth. It's improved since me coming into the industry. So I've seen the growth.

It's not 100% fixed, but I don't think it ever will be to be fair, but it's an ongoing thing. And I think as long as people like myself continue to kind of speak up about it or just let brands know when things work, when they don't and kind of give our opinions and stuff, then yeah, things will kind of work itself out. Yeah, definitely. then yeah things will kind of work itself out. Yeah definitely even me as like a white girl like I think it's something that even I like definitely am aware of so I can't even imagine how it feels as someone that is like a minority in a situation where like you're at an event

and then you're like the only black girl or you're the only like hijabi like woman as an example and I wonder wonder like how, you know, I think to myself in those situations, I'm like, I wonder how that makes that person feel because you know, there are the creators out there and there are the people out there, whether or not they're being platformed and like, whether or not they have these huge platforms

or they don't have these huge platforms because brands aren't choosing to like share them. I think it's something that like, I would love to see just continue to be improved. I agree with what you're saying like it's like it's it's got better but it's not like yeah we're still not at the point where. But I think I think it's the willingness to though and I think also it's from a business do you know what I've come to realize a lot of it is based on business right so you have to go based on business, right?

So you have to go based on business and numbers because for me, right, I'm a creator who majority of my following is abroad in America. And it makes sense because there are a lot more black people in America than they are over here. So numbers wise, it's never really gonna be balanced to a British audience because we make up about 3% of the population in the UK. Whereas you can have a state in America. Yeah.

I didn't know that. Yeah. Whereas you can have a state in America. One state in America could have more black people than the United Kingdom in general. So it's also considering things from that perspective. It's hard. It's definitely hard, but it's such an important conversation and that's why certain things happen. And so for me, even although Beats and Bands is not a space that's only for black women, because that's not what the essence of the event is, it is a safe space for black women to come and work out and be around people who look like them, have interest in their music. And I only said that because I'm black, so I know majority

of my audience are gonna be black but Yeah, but there are other races that do come to my event but I'm also big on creating spaces where everyone just feels at home and is allowed to be there. Yeah, definitely like even what you touched on about like you know having like role models growing up and and being a little girl that's seeing people, seeing women that they look up to, that look like them and that sort of thing. I think just all of those things have such huge impacts

on people and how far they can see themselves going if they have these people to look up to. And if you don't have that, then it's just a bit of a loss. So I think that's really special. with your beats and bands like this is my perspective I see it I love it I'm like oh gorgeous vibes but I I honestly can't dance for the for the life of me okay so I'd love to know and this is where you're getting it wrong because okay tell me it's because we don't, okay. So we don't, so the way I always explain it is you add your own pizzazz, your own razzle

dazzle, right? So what I would do is I will demonstrate the move and it could literally be a pulse squat to a squat, right? So two pulse squats come up, back down, like, but you're going to the beat of the song. So it's literally an exercise move that you are very capable of doing. Oh, it could be a side step. All you then do add a bit of razzle dazzle, if you choose to. Not because you have to, it's if you want. And you might swing your arms a certain type of way when you're stepping to the side. You might do you know what I mean? It's that's literally that's literally it. I don't teach a full on one and two and three and four like it's not it is you do not need to have coordination or anything remotely linked to dancing to be able to come or have a good time. It's literally your basic gym moves. You add your own little bit of swag, which kind of turns it into a dancing environment.

And then you've got really good music. So that's fine. You're good. You're literally good. Okay. So good to know. No, honestly, you're fine. I want to be a dancing girlie, but like, I just don't have it.

And I honestly feel like it's like this thing in me where I'm like an inability to just like let it go. Which I think you work on. You're probably in your head too much though. Oh my gosh it go. You're probably in your head too much though. Oh my gosh yes. You're probably in your head too much. If you, because you're in your head, you're overthinking it and that's preventing you from letting yourself grow. But dance is literally just all about feeling. Just let it go. So I've heard. So I've heard. What are your like current, we know what your career goals are right now, but what are your current health

and fitness goals? Obviously she's in her 30s, 30s and thriving. What have you got planned? Fitness goals, so at the minute, so I'm doing a walking challenge. So cardio, like he said, hasn't always been my thing. I'm not a runner. I despise running. I actually can say with hands on heart, I hate running. I can be that honest. And it's because I've tried it. It's not for me. It's a no from me. But I'm a walking babe. I will walk to Birmingham from London if I could. I'm a walking babe. And I absolutely love walking. So I'm currently doing a walking challenge actually with my community. I did it last year and it really took off and so I bought it back this year. But this year I bought my own app to do it on just because I wanted like a home.

Is there anything you don't do? I know. I was doing this challenge with my community and I decided to buy an app. I love it. Keep going. Yeah, I just wanted to create a home for us. And the app that I used last year had a home for us. And the app that I used last year had a lot of like functionality things that I didn't

really like. So I thought, okay, cool. So I actually created the app with the community. So I had like a community group of testers would ask some questions, like what they wanted, what they didn't want. I guess I didn't want to create something that I thought I needed. I wanted to create something that people generally need. So brought them along in the process.

And again, leading up to this summer, I kept getting asked, are you bringing back the walking challenge? Are you bringing back the walking challenge? And I was like, yes, I am. Please, don't come in. So, we're currently doing it now. And it started off last year, it was called Walking to Jericho,

and it was like a 32-day walking challenge. And the reason why I called it that was because I made a reference to something biblical one day on my story, cause I did it myself. And I was like, I feel like I'm walking to Jericho. And then it kind of stopped. But the reason why I changed the name was because Jericho is a Palestinian city.

And everything that's been happening this year with like Palestine and Israel, I felt it was like tone deaf to kind of reference that as like a title for something. So the name got changed to walk with Justine. And so now where the group I'm in is an intermediate group. So we are walking 15,000 steps a day. We've got people in the group working 25K steps a day. I don't know how they are doing that because I refuse to join that group. And then you've got the beginner group, they're walking 10K steps a day.

And we've literally got like a community of us doing it. And it's really fun. And it's making me enjoy cardio and just clearing my mind. And I do it either outdoors or I walk in pad at home. So whichever one I prefer. And it's making me be more intentional. Like, so I've left my car alone. Like now, like certain journeys where I used to drive everywhere

because I'm on this challenge. I'm like, no, I'm gonna leave the car and I'm actually gonna walk and get my steps in. Was it 10, 15? 15, 25. 20, 25? What time does that look like? What would that look like 25,000? How long are they walking for? So for me to do 15k is about two hours. I don't do it all in one go though. I can do 10k in like 45 minutes, 50 minutes. But

it depends. It depends on this. I walk fast though, cause I'm always late to everything in life, so I'm always in a rush. So I naturally don't, I don't know how to walk slow. We always hear people talking about how good walking is for you. It's just that slow steady stay that like, you know,

it's very, very, again, accessible. This is what I love that is like really a reoccurring theme about what you do is this like accessibility able to like scale it up and scaling scale it down but what are people doing to like be able to like fit that in like I feel like a lot of people are like oh I just don't have the time yeah yeah what are the stories you've heard from your community so some people have walking pads and even have the desk. So because they work from home, they literally walk on their walking pad and type or walking

on their lunch break, whether that's at work or at home, going before work or after work. One thing I'm big on is I like walking for a reason. So I don't just want to walk two hours for no reason. So I fit into whatever I've got to do. So if I've got to run errands, go to the post office or go to the high street or yesterday I was in central and then on the way back, I got off two train stops earlier and just walked the rest of the way home or like stuff like that. So just being a bit more intentional. So I always say to people, take the stairs. So even when I was going through the tube,

any escalator I got on, I walked, I the etiquette, stood on the left side and walked all the way up. I didn't stand on the right, just little stuff like that. So I think if you are intentional about getting your steps in, you can make it work. You just have to figure out how to go about it. But it's definitely doable and it's possible, but it's going to take you being intentional and actually committing to it for it to work. Yeah, definitely. I think that's so fair, and such a good point about just being able to just almost take note of your habits throughout the day and like, oh, where are those moments where I

could use a bit more movement, like maybe not taking the lift or yeah, like I love getting off a bit earlier. That's like brilliant. Cause I think it's like, there's ways to make it super digestible rather than people have such a tendency, myself included, and I'm sure you to see things as like the whole, I've got to do a thousand percent. Like I've got to do these tasks in their head as like massive things rather than like just like, you know, 1% every day is like better than nothing, isn't it? I always tell people to like break down the goal.

Like it doesn't have to be this big massive end goal. It can be like little steps throughout the day. And you don't have to do it. You don't have to walk in one go either. Like I don't do that. So I'll break it up and I'll know that, okay, cool. If I've done majority, I'd say if I've done like 70% the rest I'm gonna make up anyway throughout the day just from going to the loo or going to the kitchen or walking up and down the stairs in my house and stuff like that so yeah.

What's your what's your own personal goal with doing the walking challenge or are you kind of just doing it to facilitate it for others? I'm practicing what I preach. So I'm being a vessel for everybody else. But I generally find walking really therapeutic. I actually find it so therapeutic. It's so good for my mind. So that's what I gain from it for me. It's nice. And I like moving my body.

I'm always going to find any moment to do that in a way that serves me. But if I'm honest, the main thing is the community that is built and seeing how it's inspired everybody else. Because I'm having so many and the challenge has been going on for two weeks now. And so many people are sharing like their testimonials of like how they've lost weight or like they're sleeping better, they feel more at peace. And I've always said it's not a weight loss challenge. It's just a movement challenge. It's about just committing to moving your body a lot more but the fact that people are like losing weight it's an amazing byproduct because that's what they want and stuff like that so it's

just showing people that you can actually make tweaks that are not that drastic to your everyday life like walking and it can have a massive impact. Yeah definitely. What's something that like your audience wouldn't know about you? What's something that would surprise people to learn about you? Do you know what? I'm a very um, everyone thinks I'm like really extrovert. I'm an ambivert. Oh didn't even know that was a word! So ambivert is like an introvert and an extrovert put together, I believe. Just a bit of everything. Lovely.

I think so. I think that's the word. But I think my online personality and persona, I'm a Gemini, so I definitely have two sides. So I'm very much outgoing, quite like high energy, in your face, good vibes, good time. But then you've also got the other side who is very to herself, the over thinker who's really in her head, very critical, who has insecurities. And I think people, because of how I portray myself online, they find it hard to believe that I ever have bad days or that I've got insecurities or that I lack confidence, because confidence is definitely something that

I've continuously had to work on throughout this whole journey. And I'm still not there yet, but to say that I don't have confidence is always like, how? And I'm like, because I'm a fake it till you make it kind of person. So I'm fake, very much fake confident. But yeah, I'd say they don't really know that side of me. Yeah. I really do know what you mean because I don't know if you have the same but sometimes I'm like I do feel like Sydney and Sigrose are like two really different people. Yeah. And like sometimes I don't know if I'm sounding a bit like crazy here but like sometimes I really think to myself like oh I would love to be like Sigrose like I want to be like her you know I want to be like who I am when I'm, you know, out in front of people and I'm at these events and I'm like this girl that's got it together,

I've got all the answers and I'm able to offer guidance and like whatever. It's funny because like this, and I'm sure the same for you, like this wasn't at all like a strategic thing. Sick grows just very naturally, authentically happened and she is me, but in ways, you know, there is that like more kind of vulnerable side to you that isn't really a part of that. But I think it's just part of the human experience we've come to learn, you know, like I wouldn't look at you and think that you struggle with your confidence at all. And I know you think that about me. And it's like, girl. I've got this saying that annoys everyone because I always say please I'm shy. And everyone's like, we are sick of hearing it because you're not shy. And I'm like, guys, you don't understand.

I actually am. You just, you know, like, when you're a child in school, right? And like, you might be really shy, but like, you're very loud, and you're very loud to kind of hide the fact that you're quite shy. So it's kind of like a distraction. So that's, I was like, that's how I am. Like, I'm very, I'm very, so you don't actually get to see the quiet, the vulnerable. Do you know what I mean? It's, guys, it's a facade. So much you shy. I think I really used to struggle as a child with like separation anxiety, like with my parents and just like, I think that's where I really resonate with what you're

saying about kind of fake it till you make it because it's like, look, on those days that you feel like you don't want to do it, you don't want to show up like that, you can just step into it. And like, I think there is a sense of like, kind of fake it till you make it, and then one day you will believe it. Like one day you'll be like, oh yeah, like actually I am fine.

Like I am that girl. Obviously you're like a very strong kind of female. Like you really give that like kind of vibe. Have you grown up around like strong women in your life? I feel like I am a mother. We're the same people. I am a mother. I love it. I am my mother. I'm literally- I thought you were going to say, I am a mother.

No, I am a mother in the sense where we're very, very similar. So she's quite strong-minded, quite bold, but then she also has the vulnerable side to her. She's, do you know what I mean? So she's, I'm literally like a replica of her. And it's interesting, because I don't remember growing up and seeing her be strong and stuff and say to myself, oh, I want to be like that when I'm older and stuff. Do you get what I mean?

I don't remember, I don't have any of those moments, but I feel like I've just naturally picked up her personality or a lot of how she is and it's just become a second nature to me. It's interesting because I don't think, if you asked me growing up, if I ever saw myself like running a business or building a community or anything I'm doing now, I would have laughed because it was not in my plan. It wasn't on my wish list at all. I don't think growing up I felt like I even had the personality to do any of these things or I

was capable based on confidence. So to be here now I must have got it from somewhere. Well they say you're like a representation of like the people, your closest sort of people that you spent your time with. So maybe just by being in her vicinity, you just picked up, you know, like desirable traits. She's like queen mother or something, isn't she? Oh my gosh, yeah. In her hometown now. Yeah. Tell us what that even means.

You really did your research. So basically, so in my culture, we've got queen mothers and they basically sit alongside like the King. So imagine, I guess the easiest way to explain it is, you know how like over here we've got mayors of like different towns and stuff. So it's kind of like that. So from where she's from, you have like the Prime Minister and then you have like mayors. And so you've got like the King. So you have like a King who's like the King of the Prime Minister, and then you'll have like, like different mayors. So essentially, I guess she would be classed

as a mayor. Right. So that happened. And so the way it happens is, so my great-grandfather, I believe, she's standing at the door so she's probably going to correct me, but my great-grandfather was a king. So it was kind of in her family bloodline anyway. And so it came to someone else next being kind of nominated. And I guess the people in her town nominated her. So you can either accept or decline, and if you decline, it goes to somebody else, but she accepted. So we went back in March for her, her basically being accepted and the whole experience. And it was so interesting for me because again, I've never been to the ceremony, I've never witnessed it,

I've only kind of heard, but to actually witness it firsthand, I was asking so many questions. I was like, so what does this mean? What does that mean? What does this mean? Like it was, I was like a sponge absorbing it all. It was so interesting. Did the women have like, you know, are they seen within like sort of Ghana and like in that sort of space like yeah they think they take it very serious like it's a obviously because I'm over here in the West I'm just like yeah literally right but no like even when people like reference her now like they don't call her her name like they literally reference her as like cream it's so funny for me wow so hilarious I'm like, she's just my mum.

They're like, oh, you can't call her mum in public anymore. And I'm like, why? And they're like, oh, no, because it's, because it's seen as disrespect. And I'm like, guys, it's not that deep, but culturally it's really- It's my mummy. Yeah, but culturally it's actually like a thing.

And I was just like, wow. Is there anything else you wanted to discuss that we haven't mentioned? I think the only main things that currently are happening is the app and the walking challenge and then beats and bands. But yeah, those are like my two love tracks. I love how you're like, oh yeah,

the only things that are happening when like that even one in itself would be like more than enough for the average person. Do you know what? I think I'm very much a high achiever. So I put a lot of pressure on myself. So I'm always kind of, it's a good and a bad thing because I think the good thing is I don't ever want to get complacent and get comfortable because I feel like that's when you get too comfortable, that's when you can kind of get lazy and take your foot off the gas. And I feel like in our industry, you have to keep being creative, keep being innovative and just tap in. So I never want that to happen to me. So that's why I'm always on my toes.

And like I said, I'm like a dinosaur. I've been it for years. So realistically, realistically, my days are kind of numbered, Sid. I'm going to be honest with you, babes. No, no, no, no. Realistically. I think you don't even. You've stood the test of time. I think you're here now. I know I have, I have, that I have, but my days are definitely numbered. So I'm just like, I've got to keep up with you guys and like, you're Gen Z.

You are Gen Z, right? Oh, I wish. No, I'm not. What would you be classed as? I'm on the cast, but I think I am. Because you are not a millennial, you are not what I mean. I'm 97 so I'm like, I'll kind of pick a cheese whichever one I want. You're 97 which means. So that's the, are you 97? Yeah, okay I'm off a millennial by a year. I'm a Gen Z.

Really? See? You're a Gen Z. I can't keep up with Gen Z. Like, Gen Z's are a lot. Have you seen when people are like, oh, the Gen Z, the brand hired a Gen Z social media creator, and it's like the most unhinged content ever. See? Like, even have you seen, have you seen the stuff where it's like Gen Z's telling their manager that they can't go into work today? Or like- No, I haven't seen that! No, it's so funny. Or like, you know how obviously we've got loads of like slangs and stuff, and the way we talk and stuff, like, it's like, oh, just how Gen Zs have conversations and the phrases they use and stuff, it's so funny.

But do you know what I do love about Gen Zs though? I feel like they are very much unapologetically themselves. And I feel like with millennials, we weren't really allowed to be that way. I feel like Gen Zs are so much more confident than millennials. Yeah, I think I was one of the last people to know what life was like pre social media. I think I was literally one of the last ones and then yeah, so I really grew with it. with it, you know? Because I can't imagine like going to school, like my sister having like Snapchat and TikTok

and stuff like that. I couldn't imagine because school was hard enough as it was for me. So I'm, oh my gosh, it's showing my age. Do you know what we used to have? Tell me. So you know how like, obviously I'm from that MSN days, guys don't be rude, not all at once, right? No, no, no, we know, we know. MSN messenger, MSN messenger days where you get home from school and like you log in and like that's how you chatted to your friends.

And then we had like MySpace. And then we had Facebook. I was too young for that I think. Yeah. I think I was too young for that. I remember like my first, in year six, 2499, pink flip-up Motorola. I had that. Do you remember at least the Hello Morto? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember like everyone was like BBM. That was like when I was in

secondary school. So that was like. So I was in uni, so BBM was like a university for me. Wow. And you was in secondary school. Yeah, it was crazy. Like you probably, when did iPhones, I don't remember the iPhone, do you know what? I don't remember, do you remember the first, what was your first iPhone that you can remember?

Well, my dad, little shout out to my dad. My dad was like one of the OG like Apple fans and has had every single iPhone since the start. So I had his, when it went onto the second generation, I got his as a hand-me-down and I was in year eight. And I remember like back then they didn't even do like screen repairs or anything in the shops like because Apple was like so new and I remember one of my friends I took a photo of her and she didn't like the photo and she

like slapped it on my hand and it smashed on the floor I called my dad crying, I broke my iPhone Oh wow But yeah, so that was like year eight for me So in year eight we had knockyers you probably don't you probably don't even know what a knockier is. I do I do I do. We had knockiers and um second in school like the video recording the quality was. We're talking two pixels. Yeah no literally two pixels. Do you ever I don't think you'd remember because you'd probably be too young

but do you remember do you do have you ever heard of like the happy slap error? No, maybe. Oh my gosh, you really, oh since. Is that where people would just slap each other? Like randomly and record it. Oh no, I don't, maybe. So literally people would walk around like random strangers and you'd literally just

slap them across the face and record it and it was like the quality was literally two pixel knockiers and people would send it around to each other. Via Bluetooth. Yeah, it was via Bluetooth. Yep. And you'd have to stand there and like have your phone here with the other persons and oh this is what a time. What a time. Honestly, yeah, it's a different world. You see like kids with iPads now.

Anyway, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you. I've enjoyed this. Thank you for having me. It's, yeah, so glad you joined us. And like such an amazing chance to have a conversation with someone that's from like a different sort of part of the fitness space. I think what you're doing in terms of just making it super accessible and having safe spaces for really anyone, but specifically people in your community is like amazing.

Where can people find you doing all these crazy things we're talking about? So on Instagram, so my handle is at just J-U-S-T underscore G-E-E-N. And then the Beats and Bands handle is at Be J-U-S-T underscore G-E-E-N. And then the beats and bands handle is at beats and bands. And then the app and the walking challenge is at get shift app. But yeah, literally everything's on.

Instagram's at my main platform because I'm a millennial sorry, TikTok. Yeah. TikTok is way too Gen Z for me. my main platform because I'm a millennial, sorry, TikTok. Yeah. TikTok is way too Gen Z for me and I've really tried, but I just, I just, I find it so entertaining though. I do love the platform for like, for entertainment purposes. I absolutely, I prefer TikTok to Instagram for that.

But I think just for me, community and stuff, I find it so hard to just understand the platform. It doesn't work the same as Instagram. It really doesn't. And I've tried the whole repurposing my content from Instagram. It's not the same. And that's so fine. You're already doing so much. So that is fine. Yeah. So I'm just going to stick to what I know that isn't broken. That's what I'm gonna do Exactly. Um, yeah, thank you so much guys go check her out because she's incredible and she's doing fantastic things Thank you Chat to you soon