GYM GIRLS LOCKER ROOM - The Science of Women's Health: Menstrual Cycles, Fuelling & the TRUTH About Weight Loss Drugs with Dr Mimi

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

S3 EP4 – The Science of Running with Dr Mimi Is being “built for running” genetic?Do carbon plate shoes really make you faster?What is so great about beetroot juice?And how much does your menstrual cycle impact performance?In this episode, we’re joined by a doctor and runner Dr Mimi to break down the science behind performance, recovery, and women’s health. We don't gatekeep here.We unpack what truly matters when it comes to getting stronger and running faster whilst avoiding injury. From fuelling properly and prioritising sleep, to understanding how contraception and hormonal fluctuations affect training, this is THE conversation for active woman.We also dive into the cultural side of performance, including the rise of Ozempic use, body image pressures and the dark side of running too many races.In this episode, we cover:* Does genetics really determine if you’re “good” at running?* The role of nutrition in performance and recovery* Why sleep is your most underrated performance tool* Why fuelling enough is non-negotiable for strength and endurance* Fun performance facts (beetroot juice, sunglasses, and more)* The truth about carbon plate running shoes* Women’s health: contraception, hormonal fluctuations & training* Ozempic, weight loss culture & body image in sportThis episode is a reminder that performance isn’t about shrinking yourself, it’s about supporting your body properly and showing it the appreciation it deserves.The more you understand your physiology, the more empowered your training becomes.NOTE: Dr Mimi does say the majority of runners sustain an injury during marathon training - the statistics are actually closer 33- 50%. 🎧 New episodes every Tuesday⭐ Follow the podcast & leave a 5-star rating — it helps us grow the community.

Hello and welcome back to the Jim Girls Lockerone podcast hosted by me, Sydney Cassidy. Today I am actually in a really good mood and I'm actually really, really excited for today's guest. I'm going to between you and I, girls, I'm going to have to keep it, I'm going to have to keep it cool because I am actually like this guest's number one fan to the point where it's actually a little bit embarrassing. I'm going to have to just like really be chill about this, like, you know, cool girl. but before we get into the guest episode I want to do Sid Session which is the segment we do at the start of every episode where I tell you what I've been up to with my training

because as we all know I do a lot of things a lot of random things here, there everywhere most of the time but yeah I am actually going to go for a run today which is something I haven't done in a while because well I've been gaslighting myself into thinking and I had, you know, a stress fracture or something from my shin splints. But I actually went to the physio the other day, and he told me that I'm literally not, I actually couldn't believe this at all,

but he was just saying that the only thing I'm not doing, and the reason why my shins are hurting when I run, is because I'm not doing enough plyometrics, which is, okay, don't quote me on this, but plymetrics is all about, it's kind of what you see when you see, like, athletes in the gym, and you see them kind of responding to force and kind of all about like your ability to, I might Google this.

I think I got this right. Hang on, let me just check. Okay, let me get it from, you know, an actual definition because I'm just being wishy-washy of my explanation. Primetrics or jump training is a type of exercise that uses the stretch shortening cycle to build strength, power, and speed through explosive movements. But basically what he was saying was that I just haven't given myself

the ability and I haven't been training my body's ability to absorb all of this kind of like force going through my legs. I'm not doing enough single leg work and whatever. Anyway, so I haven't done any running in a while. So I'm going to be back on to a nice, easy running. I'm not doing any speed work. Easy to just like back off, well, the best, the recommended thing is back off running and definitely back off speed work if you're feeling any kind of injury. So today I'll probably just do 6.4k. I don't know. I'll listen to my body, see how I feel. Anyway, that's what I'm up to. I'll just squeeze this in as well. Yesterday, uh, did a Pilate session, which is really unlike me. And, um, yeah, I could definitely feel like my hip flexes. I don't stretch barely at all.

And it was very interesting doing something that's so just like, you know, peaceful and relaxing. I'm used to going like 110,000% with my workout. So it was a very nice contrast. And yeah, I loved it. And I remember my friend Alex and we did hot parties, which I expected to come out being drenched in swear. But I was actually just like, you know, I was warm. I was glowing. But yeah, anyway, before we get into the episode, do remember to give us a five-star review if you are enjoying it helps us out hugely in getting even more incredible guests and continuing the podcast. Remember as well that we are posting on YouTube now so if you do enjoy watching podcasts then that's where we'll be so do give us a like comment and subscribe over there but yeah I think

I've done enough rambling let's get on into the episode I'm very very excited for today's episode today's guest is a medical doctor and marathon runner who's passionate about helping people understand their bodies through science but in a way that's actually fun and easy to digest. From how your pelvic floor affects you're running to whether sunglasses can really make you run faster. She breaks down the science behind performance in such a relatable way and I am personally her biggest fan. So please welcome Dr. Mimi. Hi. Hello. That's like intro. I don't feel worthy. Thanks. No, I love doing it. Also, yeah, I was saying like before you joined, I was literally like I am going to have to keep it cool because I love

your content. Oh. I'm just, I, you're just, your content is so, like, unique and it's so refreshing and it's just so damn cool. How did you, like, get into it? Like, how did you get into the whole social thing as well? I was getting really annoyed as social media because I feel like, in my head, I was just thinking, if you're a beginner runner and you're just seeing all these people, like, chilling stuff

and, like, overcomplicating things. you're just going to be so confused and you're probably going to panic and just be like, nope, running is not for me. I need to buy all this gear. I need to do all these things when like honestly, to start running, you just need to like eat a lot of food and have a good pair of trainers and just get out of the door. And then worry about everything else like way, way, way down the line. I guess it's because everything's like also so wrapped up in being like commercialised as well

that you do feel like you need all these bits and pieces. At the top of every episode, we always like to ask people just because what is your current workout split? Are you training for anything right now? What does a week of workouts look like for you? So I just ran Chicago Marathon. I feel like I really take recovery very seriously. So I took two weeks off, no running. And then I've started back running like last week, very chill.

I'm now getting back in the habit of running. And then like next week I'm going to start. are building back up the miles so I can just get ready for my next goal. But yeah, very like not doing any like back to bat races, not doing any like, yeah, crazy, crazy, crazy things. Just like respecting the recovery that comes with running a marathon. Yeah, we've been talking actually this season on other episodes a lot about recovery because we've discussed earlier about how like there's all the only thing you see online

is obviously the stuff that like drives like likes and. comments and views and that's not really going to be for the for the most part you just sat at home which is actually a huge part of the full picture based off of like you know all of your learning and that sort of thing what are the main like things that you really like lean in on with recovery like what are your absolute non-negotiables well scientifically the best recovery is sleep but let's be honest not many people are getting much sleep. So I do, I think when I was working shift work, it was like really hard to have a consistent bedtime and like have good sleep hygiene. But now that I'm not doing as much clinical work,

I'm like, even if I am not getting the perfect sleep, I do just try to have a really good bedtime routine just so I have that to help with the sleep and like whether I sleep for four hours or seven hours, like at least I've like tried to make it good. And then I try and eat a lot because if I can't control my sleep, the other thing that's going to help your recovery is what you eat, right? Like, you need to eat so much food to fuel running. And I don't think people realise this. And it's really easy to under fuel. Just because, like, the sort of, I did a video on this, but like typical nutritional guidelines on, yeah, they're not going to be cutting it for you if you're running like 50K, 60, 7, like, you know, doing lots and lots of miles and

kilometers, it's not going to be enough to fuel that and help your recovery and help your performance. What are your thoughts on, you know, people churning out all of these different races throughout a year? Like, do you have any kind of guidelines for yourself or for others on like, what really you should be doing within a year? Absolutely. Let me not get cancelled. But basically, I would advise, well, if you want to PB, I wouldn't recommend doing it any more. than two marathons a year because that gives you the time to safely build up, do your peak weeks, have a bit of time off and then go back in and build up safely. It also depends on your experience.

If you're a very experienced runner or you're an elite athlete, then, you know, there's people doing like back-to-back marathons that if they're doing it in a way it's sensible and they've got the team around them to support them with the recovery, nutrition and the sleep and everything, no problem with that. My problem is when you have people who are like, I couldn't run a 5k at the beginning of the year and now I've done like three marathons and it is inspiring. I'm not going to come from about that. Like that is inspiring. I'm like it gets the clicks, it gets the likes.

But is it the best thing for your body? Probably not. So yeah. When you say like, you know, not assuming somebody doesn't know, and maybe perhaps I don't even know, like what are the effects that going from like zero to 100 can have for? you. I think marathons, they're not really like seen as as big an achievement anymore. I think they've been really normalized when actually it is a huge achievement and the amount of stress you're putting your body through running a marathon shouldn't be like diminished. You literally

break down and tear most of your muscles and it takes you like a week to recover your muscle strength from that one event because you're just putting yourself under that much stress. Most marathon runners will come away with a slight drop in their kidney function. That is obviously temporary, but you've put a lot of your kidneys under a lot of stress by doing this marathon. Your hormones, your stress hormones, all of your like, all of this takes time almost a month to recover, I think, because of how much just like impact on stress that running a marathon is. So that's just the event.

And then when you come at it from not being like physiologically adapted, you're just opening yourself up to injury. That is like a crazy statistic that like the majority of like runners will go on to develop an injury during marathon training. You obviously want to try and mitigate that because we don't we don't want you getting injured. You want you to keep going with this sport because like it's really fun, right? but if you're kind of coming from a no running background and suddenly just ramping up to like 50K weeks,

not giving your body time to adapt, like adapt to that load, get the muscle strength, all of that, then you're just increasing that chance of getting injured. No, it makes sense. I want to go back to just like a little bit, I kind of jumped ahead because I got excited,

but like in terms of you and like your own like personal story and your journey, obviously you're a doctor and also a runner. Those are both in my head. incredibly demanding path to have taken how did that come about of those kind of always been things

that you've been doing hand in hand or is that kind of new? I feel like with running I just like I really tried at school and like there'd be the occasional like cross country or like my run but I just would do that and then just like go to parties

or just like go home and revise for like my A levels which you have to do if you want to want to do medicine and then I think at uni I kind of fell into like weights because that was like the rage I didn't really enjoy it I think I was just doing it because it was like fashionable and trendy and then I went traveling for a bit came back I'd gained a bit of weight I was like I need to lose this weight so started running and then I think I just was like really enjoying it I was like I found something I am willing to like put in the work with and like stay dedicated to like I think

I've really found my sport and I think the rest is history. So I'm currently doing a master's in sports medicine and then I am going to have to apply for training, like further specialising, further training, that will be seven years. Girl, are you kidding? How much have you done so far? Well, I started med school in 2016. What made you kind of want to make sports science fun? and accessible.

I think the things we spoke about before, like I feel there's a lot of people complicating things out there. There's a lot of misinformation. I felt like the running space on social media was kind of just like, I just ran like this and like, it was just kind of like not really talking you

through the process of running and a lot of just like pseudoscience and a lot of people being like, yeah, this pill made me, run a really fast 5K and it's like did it did it. It is strange though like when you do actually sort of

sit there and like think about it how social media has so much power over people and it is just a absolute mind filled like there's literally no fact checking whatsoever so I can imagine as a professional it must be really frustrating

to see things that you see and then see the engagement with it and be like you know the quick things get the clicks right but science isn't typically very sexy or cool and I guess I just try and edit it so it seems sexy and cool but like you certainly do you certainly do what's one thing that you wish that like more runners your everyday runners are understood about their own biology like if we were just starting from like there a lot of it is genetic I hate to say it when people do like this is how I went from like a five-hour marathon to a three-hour marathon or whatever.

Like, yes, they will have trained for that. But even with training, there's a genetic component to that, like, how trainable you are, like how resilient your muscles are, how quickly you adapt to loads. That's all, a lot of it's genetic. Your V-O-2 max, 60% of that is determined by genetics. I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah.

So, but that's not to discourage people. you can train your VO2 max up and you should be doing that because we know that the best your VO2 max is the better chance you will have of like living a long healthy life right but not to feel detourtened I think when you see always people progressing because it's likely genetics is really giving them a big helping hand but also focusing a lot on the other things that running gives you like the mental health benefits the community like the amazing races like that is what will keep you going, especially as you age and sometimes performance isn't going to come because you're aging and your body just can't keep up anymore. And especially if you feel like you're

comparing yourself online to other people who you are like, I'm still running a five-hour marathon. So why am I not getting up to the three-hour mark? Like, yeah, don't be too harsh for himself because a lot of it is genetics. Yeah. And speaking of which, I was really fascinated. I think you're the first person I've ever heard speak about, like this idea of being like a low responder to exercise. Could you explain a little bit more about that? Yeah. So if we take groups of people and we put them in like a science-based research setting and our intervention is exercise, there will always be a small group of those people who do not

respond in the way that we would expect them to. So for example, if we had a group of runners and we gave them like a 16-week marathon plan, we would expect their VO2 max to increase, right, because you're giving them all the right runs, you're, like, increasing the physiological adaptations. There will always be, like, a very, very small group of people in that group who we wouldn't see that expected jump in their V2 max. That really was, like, that really made me question a lot, because I was like, everyone's, everyone gets better with exercise, like, everyone, everyone can exercise, but I guess, yeah, because there are some people where I guess it just, there, there is that real frustration at, like,

not improving or, or kind of, um, struggling with it. You know, those people where they just really don't, they really don't connect to it. And it's like, huh, well, maybe you're one of them. Just try harder. Yeah, I know. Well, what would you say for those people? Like, is it just a kind of case of connecting with, like, other parts of the journey? Like, you know, do it because you enjoy.

it and focus less on like the numbers and the stats. I think, well, the actual group will always be small. So I'm not, I'm not having this excuse of like, I'm a low respondent to exercise. Like you might be. You might be. But also like just give yourself a chance. Give it a go. I think like you said, connecting with different parts of the journey.

So thinking about the community, like running a marathon is really hard. But it is so amazing. Like that marathon days are always one of the best, like some of my best memories have been the days I've ran marathon. So yeah, just give it a go. See where you end up. I even think like for somebody that's listening and they're just like, yeah, yeah, marathon, that'll be fun. I don't even run right now. Like even doing a 10K race or, and you know, we call it a race.

But like, race days are like so good just for like the buzz of it. And like I really encourage anybody to just experience that once because I think it's such a lovely feeling and it's not about going necessarily for a time or whatever. For me, it's so about the experience of doing it. And like even to a certain extent, like just group running, like going to a park run or something, it's just like, it's just such a lovely.

You just, you don't get anything like that with like gym or anything, which I'm sure you probably felt the same way, but that's something that really stood out to me and kind of helped me make that transition. is just like nothing compares. Nothing compares to this. And also like you can get your friends to come watch and you just like go have a nice meal afterwards.

Like really make a big social of it. Oh yeah. It's like who wants attention? Me! How can runners use like sports science to improve their performance without overcomplicating it? Like what are some things that you really wish people were just like or you think people would really benefit from

without making it like so. over complicated. Eat more. Yeah, I feel like you're really going to die on this hill. I love that. Yeah, I feel, well, I think, yeah, I think just because, I don't know, like, you just, it's not really like a thing as a woman

to, like, eat a lot of food. Like, I don't know. I feel maybe times are changing, but then also, like, Zempex now coming, so, yeah. But, um, I've got questions on that. Yeah, I feel like most runners probably are underfueling. Like, it's, you need. so much energy to fuel your runs properly and also it's also the timing of when

you're eating like make sure you're having something before the run make sure if you're going for like a long time you're having fuel within the run and then when you come back from the run make sure you're having something like as soon as possible after the run and the rest is history it's actually funny I was I was saying early like before before you jumped on just in the intro that I I went to a physio session because I was I've been strong struggling with shin splints for the longest time. And I kind of went back and I was fully expecting him to say, you know, it's terrible.

You need to stop, whatever. But he, well, this isn't the point to my story. But he was saying that I just need to incorporate more plyometrics. But he was saying that like it's everything. And he was talking about like reds. And he was saying that like, you know, because I told him, I do eat. I like you, I'm the kind of girl where you don't have to ask me twice to eat food. We like that.

We'll eat it. Okay. So I come from like a foodie family But he was like and I found it really interesting What he was saying and maybe you could touch more on it Like he was saying it's not just about Eating a lot It's about what you're eating and when you're eating it

And like that they're really crucial parts That maybe perhaps people think Don't think about and like carbs before protein afterwards Yeah Do you notice that that's something that a lot of people don't necessarily understand yet? Yeah I think especially because I think like food goes through trends

so I think probably when we were little it was like low fat and then it kind of went into low sugar and now it's high protein whereas as a runner you need a lot of carbs all the time and protein is important

but it's carbs a lot of the time that you need to be having again low fat you need to be having fats to kind of support your recovery and your hormone profile so yeah I think more of an emphasis on carbs as a runner and less on the protein which I think if you're coming at it from a gym background you might not like that's something you might not consider

yeah you won't be so familiar with because gym is very much like protein protein protein well I've got some interesting things about that I'll say as well but go shoot away I mean you probably already know this to be honest but I feel like if you're eating I think it's more than 1.6 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight, like your body just, it's not doing anything. Yeah, I had heard this and I wasn't so sure about whether that was just like a myth that was floating around, but is it about your body can't process it? Yeah, it just kind of just reduces it up. Yeah.

But having said that the, I think currently it's recommended you have 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight that wouldn't apply to someone who's running. you need more than that. So it's like you need to be hitting like a fair amount of protein, but not like anything over that isn't going to be helping you. And like with regards to like these like macro nutrients and like making sure that you are eating enough carbs, like even myself listening to this, I'm like, okay, cool, but like how much and kind of knowing how to do it in a kind of more intuitive way.

Like is that something that is possible to do? Or is that something that you would advise to track? I would say, obviously it's so easy to get caught up in like the numbers of it. But I think a lot of people come to running from disordered eating patterns. And most people start at full weight loss. Like I think if we want to encourage people to be their healthiest and happiest running selves, trying to intuitively and not focusing so much. the numbers, but just having an awareness of what they're eating in the sense that it's like,

I have a long run tomorrow. Let me have a really, really big pasta dinner. And I've got like, a run. I need to make sure I'm having like enough gels in that like three hour run. I come back for my run. I maybe I'll have some chocolate milk or like something like a bit carby, a little bit proteiny and have it with an hour of finishing. So I know that I am at least. going to be getting in the right, like not perfect, but just the right amount of what I need when I need it. So it is the case as well that you would want carbs throughout the whole before, during, of course, we know those, but also afterwards. Because I know you talk about this like ratio with your chocolate milk if you can explain that. Of course. So chocolate milk is like the gold

standard for running recovery because it has the perfect amount of carbs to protein so you want something carbly to help with your replacing your internal muscles carbohydrates towards your glycogen and then you want a little bit of protein to help to kick start the muscle repair that you know you've broken down muscle when you're running you want to like get some protein back in to help with that rebuilding and recovery and like the growing stronger and then it also has electricalites in it so it's going to help replenish the salts that you've lost so yeah it's like in sports science research chocolate milk is like gold standard and it's cheap it's pretty accessible like if you finish a run pop into your corner shop get some chocolate milk and like you're good you're good to

go because didn't you do a post where you kind of compared them are there some that are is there like a number one top best chocolate milk or is all of them pretty good. Some of them have a lot more carbs in them so you'll be getting enough carbs but not enough protein.

The M&S chocolate milk is like the best supermarket one. Wow. Yeah. And I think was it Chocomel? I think it was Chocomel that was the best. I vaguely remember that because I love that one.

Yeah, it's good, isn't it? Seeing that, it tastes so gorgeous. So what are your opinions on, like, you know, people that would go for, like, a chocolate or perhaps they own it and it's in their cupboard, or perhaps they go to the shop and they get like a chocolate protein milk? Is there much difference between the kind of product that's, like, marketed as this and then the chocolate milk? Yeah, I have been asked this before.

I feel, well, you want the car. as a runner. So if it's protein and being marketed as protein, well, firstly, I would interrogate that and think is that actually, like, how much protein is actually in that? You know, because they always, like, put, like, protein, but then it's actually, like, not that much higher grams of protein. And then, secondly, if, like, protein isn't really the priority, it's the carbs are the priority, and then the protein. Right. Yeah, that actually makes so much more sense. Yeah. But you do need some protein, but we, we want more carbs. Got more calves.

I think that is the thing that like I'm even still getting used to having come from like a gym background. Like I think there is a lot more kind of like or it feels like there's there needs to be more emphasis on kind of like the food and the fueling. I feel like in gym you can kind of get away with it. You know? Can we talk about like training fasted? What are your thoughts on that? I think it is a bad idea. I don't think like well.

you know there's like there is some research which shows that if you kind of are very scientific with when you like taking your carbs so you like have lots of carbs and you do a really hard session and then you purpose you don't have any carbs and then you then go on and do a session that can help the way you metabolise fat and that can be beneficial in the long term for your carb stores. However, that was in a study done mostly in men. It's obviously like small, small studies. I would feel that in the real world, we have to balance that knowledge with a real world application, which is that, yes, if you're all in a lab doing it, like, fair play, give it a go. But if you're trying to like, do you know what I mean, like space out

when you're having your carbs and it gets all fiddly and you might end up just accidentally under fueling and then you go and get a stress fracture because you haven't eaten enough and you're running like crazy miles or crazy speed then like for me the priority is always going to be no training fasted just eat the carbs do the session make sure you're eating enough does that make sense i feel like maybe i just confused things but you totally did you totally did because i actually think a lot of people perhaps something that isn't spoken enough about on social media is how much diet and and lack of fueling can impact your kind of risk of injury. And I feel like that's something that I've become quite aware of that like not eating enough is going to,

am I correct in thinking that? Absolutely. And what can happen is you can go on to develop Redass, which is relative energy deficiency in sports, where if you are not easy enough to fuel your individual needs, then you can go on to have a whole host of problems. like you just do not want red ass like yeah you can be breaking bones losing your periods not good yeah it really when you look at the symptoms it does look like it's like really quite a broad range

of things and they all just sound miserable and could leave you out of running for a while yeah and i think it's pretty insidious the way it can sneak up on you so yeah yeah eat your food don't train bastard I know you mentioned earlier about electrolytes like in the milk. Was that correct, right? Yeah, yeah. I thought you made a fascinating post about, because it's something that I personally kind of have been affected by and care about. And it was talking about like electrolytes and kidney function.

And I guess as well, we could talk about creatine and kidney function. Would you be able to just speak a little bit, kind of touch on that sort of thing? Take it wherever you want. Absolutely. Yeah. Electrolites, we'll start with that. So I think I've been another podcast kind of speaking about this,

but I feel like, and I'm posting it as well, but just like Electrolet companies are really pushing you to have electrolytes, which are in essence just glorified, flavoured salt. And yes, there is a role for electrolytes if you are losing a lot of salt in your sweat and there are times when you will be losing a lot of salt in your sweat, for example, if I'm sweating loads,

so if I'm exercising in heat, I'm exercising at altitude, I'm exercising for a long period of time, then, like, yeah, absolutely, like, a bit of electrolyte, a bit of salt isn't going to harm you. Like, that's probably a good time to take it. My problem is when companies are like, you need electrolytes every day. And bear in mind, most people are sat at their office desk, like, doing their work or whatever. Like, you don't need electrolytes for that. And I think it's dangerous in a way to assume that everyone has, as the same kidney function, which is what a lot of these companies are doing.

Because if you are taking them at that word and having the like four or five tabs of electrolytes they recommend you to be taking and you have reduced kidney function, you're going to struggle to like filter that all out properly, which means you're going to be retaining a lot of salt. And if you're retaining salt, you have high blood pressure. Like, yeah, not good. And I think also it's just it's not appropriate to be taking electrolytes every day. And I think companies really get away with it because they're like,

I was so tired and then I like had the electrolytes and I was like properly hydrated. And it's like water is hydrating. Like you are really putting these claims out of nowhere to sell this product that is really expensive. And a lot of these newer companies have a lot of salt in their electrolytes. Like a whole gram, which is. yeah i think that that's something worth noting as well is that like the electrolytes the amount of salts in the different products from these different companies is quite differ quite a lot some of them are like crazy amounts i i wondered if you knew um with the average person who is just you know

not necessarily exercising so much and in sweaty conditions or needing to replace those salts anyway kind of just working your everyday office job and being marketed these like kind of lifestyle electrolytes. Do most people have enough salts within their diet as well? Is that something you kind of are aware of? Because I wondered whether it's something that people even really need, like are they getting enough anyway through their diet normally? Yeah, they are.

Like most people's diets, majority of it is over to process food and much processed food has salt in it. Even if you eat a completely non-processed diet, you will still be getting salt. For example, there is electrolytes in coconut water. There is electrolytes in fur. If you make it, there's electrolytes in your soy sauce that you put in your stir fry.

Like, you probably are getting in enough salt already. So if you're then not losing the salt and you're having all these electrolytes supplements, yeah, it's not. Yeah. And actually, it's something you made me think of. of as well is like perhaps it's not necessarily like the salts that we need that maybe perhaps most people just aren't drinking enough and staying hydrated enough you know like I I bet most people that are kind of like feel a draw towards this kind of product are the people that just probably don't drink enough water yeah yeah and I think obviously they taste really

yummy like electrolytes do taste nice and obviously you're like oh because it tastes really good. Let me like keep drinking them. But you'd probably have like, I'd rather you drank squash or like you just, yeah, drank some squash or like drank something like fruity than having electrolyte because you're going to have, it's going to,

if it's going to build that habit of you drinking more regularly and more frequently in the day, fine, which is like the same kind of sensation you're probably getting from having those electrolytes. But the electrolytes actually have things in them that in excess is not great for you. Yeah.

And on the topic of kidney function, the reason why I wanted to bring it up is because I would love, and we can talk about it more, but like creatine, I would love to take creatine. However, I don't because I am a girly that has always struggled with acne. And when I went to a dermatologist and was on, I was on spronolactone, you have to, with that. Kidneys. Get kidneys tested, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I had to get my blood bloods done to test my kidneys. And she said that I absolutely should not be taking creatine

because my kidney function wasn't high enough. And I just was like, wow, I've never heard anybody speak about that. I didn't know that that was even really a thing. And I do kind of think to myself, gosh, I bet there's so many people that also just take it because they see people talking about it and don't actually just check, like, am I actually in a good enough? Is my body able to kind of take it?

Is it healthy enough to take it? Which I thought was interesting. So I think creatine is very well researched, and it will help human things like 100 metre sprints or like if in your case, like weightlifting. But it is excreted by the kidneys. So we want it to go into our muscle. but most of it is excreted out in the kidneys. Like what you take those five grams, whatever, like most of it's just, you're going to

wee out. You can enhance how much muscle, how much your muscle takes up by having it with a source of carbs or protein to having it with your breakfast or whatever. But even then, you're probably still going to we out a lot of it, which is fine if your kidneys work well. If your kidneys aren't working out where we'd want them to be, and then you're excreasing all this creatine, that's when it's a bit like, probably not, probably not the best for you to be doing that. Yeah. And do you know the reason why? Like, is it that it would, is there a risk that it would

make it worse? Or is it just that it's like not really something that you want to put your kidneys through? So I think in healthy people, it's fine. I think it's been found to be said you can take a fair amount for a long period of time. I can't remember the exact numbers off my head, but like it is safe to do it. When they looked at creatine and people with kidney disease, I think then they were like not good. So how does creatine have the same sort of effects as it does in gym people? And I don't see so many people talking about running and creatine. What are the benefits of it?

Is it something that you would recommend? So it will help you. It's all to do with what energy systems you're using. And if you're using your like explosive sprint energy systems, which is what you kind of use in weightlifting and like 100 metre kind of sprints and it will help you. I think people thought it wouldn't help runners over longer periods of time because it's not helping that kind of energy system that's involved with the sprinting and the sort of like quick lifts, but there is some evidence coming out that it may help. So jury's kind of

out on that. There's quite a few things in fitness. I feel like they're like that. It's like you have to really like dig in. Yeah. And read, not just take the first thing you. You know, just take the first thing. you've seen about it. Exactly. Yeah. Let's talk about beetroot. Because I've seen you talk about it a few times, particularly like leading up to a race. What does it do and why is it useful?

So beetroot is a source of nitrates, which is a type of gas. And nitrates work to like dilate your blood vessels. So if we can open up the blood vessels more, that allows more oxygen and more nutrients to get to your muscles, helping them to work better, helping with your endurance, right? So, yeah, kind of crazy. It's also really good for your blood pressure. So if you know anyone with high blood pressure, tough and to eat some beetroot. But yeah, so if you load the beetroot and you have it for, I think five to seven days before your big event. It's just so silly beetroot loading. I love I know.

And you take it in every day. You're having a set amount. Then there are, like, it's been shown, again, quite well research that it will help with your endurance. My only caveat was that is that most of the studies are done mostly in men. So we don't know exactly how estrogen and, you know, female hormone profiles work with beetroot. But we don't have enough evidence at the moment to sort of. say it's going to harm or like do nothing but I guess just something to be aware of that as a woman it may not work as well with you but worth giving it a try and if you're having more fruit

and veg in your diet like I'm not I'm not going to stop you it's going to help you and you know antioxidants all of that so yeah it does seem like that is a real big reoccurring theme that I feel like I see a lot of like yeah this study was mostly done in men and or all previous studies, majority have been, you know, conducted on men or, oh, these findings are more geared towards men. Is that how do you, as a professional and also kind of given your little niche you're in, how do you kind of navigate that in giving advice? Is it just always got to be a caveat?

Yeah, I feel, well, I feel like it's interesting. Sports science is a little bit of a wild west in the sense that most of the science studies are done in really small groups and they are mostly done in men because men are better subjects like test subjects because they don't have that fluctuations that we do so they're like perfect controls and then companies will extract and extrapolate that data to general populations which is just like you can't do that you can't do that like if we find a study that shows like something is statistically significant in like five people. You can't then go and run with that with your like electrolyte or gel company and be like,

it's going to work. It's going to work for everybody, right? So I think that is obviously, yeah, problematic. I think in my head when I put out a post, I'm like, you don't want to cherry pick studies and you want to be factual and like try and represent the truth and the scientific truth as much as possible. that's just, I think, being a good science communicator. But I don't know, with things like sunglasses are going to help you run faster or a bit of Beat Trues might help you run faster.

Like, for me, we've got evidence that Beatrude is good for you in lots of other ways. So I'm happy to sort of put that out of there even though, like, it might not work for women. And I know someone to comment on that in my most recent posts and I kind of explain them through that. And like, as long as it's not kind of harming people on making them. and feel like they need to buy lots of stuff to be better runners. Like, that's kind of my ethos with it. And if I can myth bust as well, that's obviously another benefit and a bonus. Searchlight Pictures presents in the blink of an eye on Hulu on Disney Plus,

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It is just, it's frustrating, though, because it, I can imagine it's frustrating for you as well, because it's like if you just don't have kind of like the research and the studies there for the women, then it's like, you know, something you said earlier about like, oh, well, the men are easy to use or they're used most frequently because they're the controls. It's like, yeah, but 50, like, what about the women? Yeah. What about the rest of us? It's really, it's interesting.

Do you, does it seem like there's more kind of, like tides are turning towards kind of testing for women and for their needs or sort of in the space or not really? I'm pretty sure researchers have to include female subjects now. Like that's now the law, but obviously, I don't know, I haven't seen loads of studies. I feel like, yeah, I'm doing my research project on carbon-plated shoes, and most of the studies are done on men. There's like a couple female studies, but yeah. On the topic of, like, women's health and that sort of thing, it was really fascinated to see you talking about contraception

and how that can mask kind of signs, perhaps, that things are not healthy, or that you perhaps might be under-fueling. That was fascinating. Could you explain a little bit more about that? Absolutely. So I think, and even I for this chap, so you know when you take the combined oral contraceptive pill

and you stop taking your pill packet and you have a bleed, you think it's a period, right? But it's not a true period as what we would sort of medically class it as. You're having a withdrawal bleed. which is just that because you've now taken away those synthetic hormones, you're having this bleed. And I think because you're like maybe lulled into this sense of, oh, it's a period, you may not notice that you are underfueling

because typically as a woman, if you're underfueling, it's going to show up in like a change in your cycle. So if you're still having these withdrawal bleeds, you may not notice these changes in your cycle and you might not realize it's underfueling. Which is like, I think that's something people wouldn't even really think about because for me, yeah, I've always kind of used, oh, yeah, no, I've got a cycle as like a marker of like, I'm healthy, things are going well, like it's okay. Speaking of which, how do hormones throughout the menstrual cycle affect training response and recovery when it comes to like running in particular? So your luteal phase, when your progesterone is higher than normal, it is a little bit harder to regulate your temperature.

So you might find it harder to like fish your intervals if you're kind of overheating a little bit. And I think that's like if you're, if you're running the London Marathon this year or any hot marathons during your little teal phase, like my thoughts are with you. Yeah, I thought it would have just like you wouldn't even, maybe not even notice, but like it is hard for you to regulate your internal temperature. when your pedestrian levels are higher. It doesn't necessarily mean that you can't go on to do well. Like medals, I love this, but medals have been won in all phases of the menstrual cycle at the Olympics. And there is a study out there that showed that, like, a small majority, I think 60% of women actually did better in the marathon during the Lothiel phase.

But the best time to race is the first day of your period and during the follicular phase. because your hormone profile mimics, like, the male, the male hormone profile. So you're like... I didn't know that. Yeah. What the hell? Yeah. So you'll feel terrible.

And I remember, like, my last half marathon, I was, like, on the floor, like, in so much pain and, like, vomiting from all the prostate glands or whatever. But I then went on and, like, I was having an amazing day and an amazing race because I was like, this feels so easy. And it's because... Wow. My profile is working with you. Wow.

Because, yeah, like I feel like most, all too often when I've got like a race coming up, whoever I'm kind of doing, whoever's also joining me on that is like saying like, oh, I really, I think my whole, you know, checking our trackers and saying like, I think, I think my period's going to fall on the day of the race or whatever. That's good. That's good. And actually, that's a good thing. You want that.

I had no idea about that. So, yeah, that's crazy that, like, you can feel like. Like, you know, you can feel awful, but actually steal your body, like you're saying, we'll work with you. Yeah, I didn't know that. I wanted to talk a little bit more about, like, tech, wearable tech. I loved the concept you were talking about when you were saying, like, will this make the boat faster? I love how you, like, know all my content. Like, you're like, you've engaged.

Like, you actually know all my content. I don't call myself Dr. Mimi number one fan for nothing. thing, okay? I love that. I love that. But yeah, like, could you talk a little bit more about that? Yeah. So I think, especially as a new runner, there's so much, so many wearables out there, like you can have like your rings that track your sleep, your watches, like your watches, like your watches, like your watches, like your watches, like, your watches, like, there's everything. There's actually everything you could ever want. There's even watches that can, like, you can give you a tracing of your heart like an ECG,

which I think's insane. But the point being, with that video that I did is, will it make the boat faster, which was this concept and like grounding principle for the Olympic rowing team a few years ago when they weren't very good. They had access to like every possible sports, science, technology, like anything you could ever think of on access to them.

But they asked themselves as question, like, is it actually going to help us? Is it going to make the boat faster? Anything that didn't make the boat faster, they got rid of. And then they went on to win the Olympics that year, which is like a first for like many years. And I think that really applies in running. So I see a lot of people being like, my Strava predicted me like this marathon time or like my watch is saying this or like I feel like my body battery is saying this. And like we've all done it. I didn't used to it quite a lot as well. But like, if. If it's going to cause you a lot of stress, it's going to cause you a lot of like internal panic and pressure. Ignore it or just get rid. Like, it's, yes, it can tell you all the information, but if it's not going to help you, like, there's not much point to it. And with all these watches that can now tell you your, like, ECG and your heart trace, like, I might be understood in that because I can interpret that as a doctor. But for most people, you're not going to know, like, what that's telling you.

So like, don't bother. Don't, like, save your money. Just, like, get something that can track your watches. You can put your infills in on. And honestly, like, the rest of it is kind of by the by. There's even, like, a new phrase coming out called autosomnia, where people are becoming obsessed with their sleep because of things like wearables. And it's like, just ignore it.

Just try and sleep. And, like, whatever sleep you get, that's fine. because I guess it also kind of starts leaning into like you know how we talk about like intuitively eating it's like well just try to be intuitive with like the whole everything the whole process yeah like how do you because I always thought that I know people would joke with me

when I used to wear a wop I don't I don't wear it anymore because I couldn't interpret the day it was just information overload it was just too much but I remember people would be like how do you feel like If it's telling you, like, you're not rested or that you feel recovered, but you don't feel recovered, then, like, what do you listen to? Myself. Yeah.

My internal sense of feeling. Yeah, yeah. What do you think are some good things from, like, the wearable tech that you think? Actually, yeah, that is really beneficial. And, like, that is something that people could take a lot of learning from. There are some things that I think are helpful to know about, like, knowing your, you're heart rate variability and heart rate trends like that is good to know because you can kind of see if you are overreaching your training if you're putting yourself through too much stress or you can

even kind of predict when you're going to be a bit unwell you can kind of if you know what you're looking at you can kind of work that out from your HRV. HRV is heart rate variability and it's basically the time between each heartbeat you want that to vary as much as possible so like the higher it is means you've got more variation between each beat. So like between your first and second beat, you'll have like 0.5 milliseconds. And the next one, 0.0.01, like you want to like have it changing. And the highlight is, it's your fitter and you're more resilient to stress. So if that drops from your baseline, I usually know that means I'm about to get unwell or

I've been drinking alcohol or I've like been pushing myself. too hard or sometimes in marathon training you are going to have a terrible HRV because that just is the nature of marathon training you are trying to overreach a little bit so that's just something that I find helpful is a helpful metric to track on your watch but again not being too obsessive because watches shouldn't be telling you how to feel you should be telling yourself how you feel and the watch should just be like a guide but if you know Garmin has something called a body battery which is like tells you how well rested and like mine never got above like 50 or like 17. I just be like,

well, I feel okay and I know why it's because I slept badly, but I feel okay. I'm just going to go for my run anyway because I'm not going to let my life be dictated by my watch, you know? Yeah, no, definitely. You reminded me of something when you said, mentioned alcohol because I will say for me and I'm sure many other people who don't have like all this incredible. knowledge that you have. Something that was really stark and obvious for me was when I did wear a wearable, seeing how much my recovery was affected by alcohol. When I drank alcohol, and I don't even drink alcohol really at all, but say I did.

And it wouldn't even be like, I've gone on a full bender. It's just like I've had like a couple of drinks. And yet you can see that like clear as day. I thought that was really interesting. Are there any other like? lifestyle factors that can have a big impact. Stress. Huge one, right?

Huge one. In like so many ways with your body. I'm really fascinated by your, I don't feel like I've seen you talk about this much. Your like, was it your research topic or your studies and carbon plated shoes? Because I feel like, you know, I guess if we're talking about like tech and things that you don't necessarily need

that everybody kind of the internet tells, talks about. Carbon-plated shoes, I guess, is one of them. So what are you doing there with that? I'm doing a literature review and then a research project on the same topic. But the plan is, hopefully, please mark me nicely, supervisor. But the plan is to just look at, well, my research questions are like, yeah, looking at injury risk with carbon-plated shoes. So working out, do these shoes cause injury or not? because I have a strong feeling based on what I've seen clinically and just by looking at the inherent

nature of carbon shoes, they're unstable, right? And you're getting a lot of atypical injuries coming from them that I've seen people online speak about and I've seen it clinically and like kind of read a bit about. But probably are due to the shoes. But obviously I need to do research and prove that so that's the plan could you explain like what is the science behind the carbon plate yeah so your normal trainer they just put a carbon plate in in between all the layers and that just helps the foot spring forward so it's conserving the energy in your muscles the amount of energy you need to push off and push forward as you run by having the carbon plate you reduce the amount of work you need to do that kind of movement of running, which means that you

save their energy. So it helps keep your kind of muscles more active and, you know, better, ready to go towards the end of marathons. It also helps with your speed. So I kind of off my head, but it is going to, it will help. They will help you run faster. But it's also a lot of the shoes are based on like a certain type of form so if you kind of heel strike where you kind of land on your heel they might not be as effective and you also kind of need to be going at the right speed to get the biggest benefit but people who maybe aren't in that speed range because of placebo effects on that can still well this is what I'm thinking because I I I I've worn them on race days and I'm thinking, I don't think I run for, I think it's like, you have to run at the speed they recommend, they say for the carbon plate of cheese.

I think it's like a decent pace. It's not six something. It's four, four thirties and below really. Right. So I'm like, but I definitely thought the shoes made me faster. So maybe it was placebo. But I think this is, this is the thing when people like, yeah, you know, carbon shoe. need a shoe rotation. I didn't really get a shoe rotation or even touch carbon plates till I was

in that range because for me it was a thing about injury. Like I'd rather wear a slightly slower shoe perhaps than maybe not expose myself to injury risk. And then the second thing was also like they're so expensive. You can only wear them for a couple of miles for you have to throw them in the bin. It's not really, for me personally, it was never really worth it until I was getting close to those speeds because otherwise it's just like a lot of money for something that yeah you can maybe get like there's so many other great shoes out there that maybe will give you the speed of a carbon plate and are more durable because they don't have the carbon plate like I think sockony their kind of version and the ad adidas ones are also like really good because they give you that kind of power and feeling of a carbon

plate but they don't degrade as quickly as a carbon plate does so yeah because I think that's something that I that's worth mentioning because I actually she only learned that myself the other day because I was getting a gay analysis done and I didn't realize that the reason if I'm correct, correct me if I'm wrong what I understood was that the reason the carbon plaid shoes are so unstable

as well for your foot is because quite often they take out a chunk of the soul of the shoe. Maybe I got this completely wrong but I thought they were saying that especially in the Adidas you know the like super boat shaped Adi dashi. Some of them you're like

literally I'm walking on high heels like I feel so you go around a corner on like a car on a carbon plane and you're like oh my god I was trying one of those on and it had like less I can't even like how do I explain it

it had a cutout in the soul and they said that it was to save weight as well but because of that all because of that it meant that when I was running I think I pronate a little bit as well but it meant that when I was running, I was in, I was very unstable, so I obviously opted not to, not to take that. And I went for a much more stable shoe. It's one of those things,

or if you have them for an ankle strength to like counter the instability, there's nothing kind of inherently wrong with picking an unstable pair of shoes. But it's more that, yeah, if you maybe don't have that ankle and foot strength, then I would be concerned. But I'm also, I'm not a physiognitist. So please, come with me in the comments if you are. And I will get my research published hopefully so I can yeah. Then you can say yeah. I remember like yeah, I told you so. But I know the one thing I do know for certain that everybody has said to me with carbon plated shoes is do not wear carbon plated shoes when you're trading. Like don't be one of those people that's out here running in them

all the time. Yeah. Thoughts on that. Because they change the way like the muscles you're activating you, they can get kind of lazy, basically. And it's just really interesting because there's like some, like a paper that showed that people were getting stress fractures in their like heel bone, which is like a really rare injury to have, like really rogue. Like I wouldn't really, I'd expect, you kind of expect a stress factor to happen in like the toe kind of bones at the front of the foot because that's, they're taking a lot of the force.

But yeah, to have it in the heel. It's because you're just changing the muscles that you're kind of activate. You're changing like the whole thing. Yeah, but I would say if you are going to try them, don't be like I'm going to never wear them as well as for a marathon. Like do you give them a few try or goes or maybe like your laugh. Where are my gloves? Come on heat. Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be.

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which was that it, like, actually does make you run faster. Yeah. In a way. So when you feel, because I am somebody that feels really, like, sometimes with certain running. Do you feel a bit icky? Equipment. I do feel it.

Yeah, I also felt a bit icky. and then I like, sound like sounds like like cool. It's like I think it's like slightly I cring I kind of cringe

but also I think it's also a little bit of like imposter syndrome like oh I'm a runner why am I out here wearing these like Oakley sunclasses

and then I saw your post and go on what did you what did you find? Well first you're the imposter syndrome thing I think like we all have that

so don't be ashamed at all I remember like rocking up to like no sport do you ever go to sport city in Manchester? I'd like rock off in like I literally wear like a running vest and like

plug in earphones and I'd be in like and I'd be like oh my god like what about here? But like it's fine like just gotta just gotta do it you gotta do it me all start from somewhere we're all beginners so try not to have the imposter syndrome and wear what you want but yeah I remember for a long time being like

oh my god like who am I wearing sunglasses but everyone should be wearing them well not everyone. But there is this one paper which found that over a 5k distance, the people who wore sunglasses were a little bit faster than people who didn't wear sunglasses. And that is because they feel like when you're obviously squinting, looking at the horizon, you're like wasting energy, engaging those muscles. If you can just relax your face, because you've got sunglasses on, then they thought that could be the reason why they ran a bit quicker with the sunglasses.

Brilliant. Love that. That's all I needed to hear. And now I will we'll wear it. At Chicago, they started the top of my head. Then I was like, okay, next half, lock in. They're going down. I did that at the Sydney Marathon, actually. I had them on the top of my head. And then I thought, right.

Time to lock it. It's serious. I'll be lucky right now. But it does. It doesn't. You really do notice it actually, that you do squint. Yeah, because I used to just be like. Yeah.

Yeah, totally. I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but like, I always thought, like, perhaps as a runner, like, because you're running, like, gravity might like age you more, but actually this exposure to the sun is what could age you prematurely, right? Well, I think, so skin cancer is more prevalent in runners, and we think it's because you're just exposing yourself to sun more, because you're just outside more. So always wear your song cream.

Lather up. Lather up, yeah. And try and find one. which is water resistant. Because, yeah, you sweat a lot. And you need to be, if you're going out for long periods of time, re-applying. Over and over.

Just kind of before I get on to some fun and, like, kind of silly closing questions, I know you mentioned it earlier, OZMPIC. Are people really using that as a performance enhancer for running? I think probably more in America where you can get it quite easily. But also, you can get it kind of easily here now as well. We've got Serena Williams. Yeah, that's... Yikes. Interesting.

Yeah, well, I think it all comes down to this idea that lighter equals faster, which is something that people were pushing for a while. And I think it's just not true. Like, just feel properly and you'll see the performance gains come. EZempec obviously makes like you will lose weight with it, but you will lose not just fat, but also your muscle. And your muscle is what's acting on. your bones to help shock absorb, give you form, give you structure. So if you're losing all of that

and you're under-fueling, one, you're going to struggle to get through your sessions and two, like, you're very pleased up to injury because you're not, you haven't got the like kind of supporting, all supporting structures to keep you healthy and to know from me. I know, I know you mentioned that like your kind of way that you got into running was because you were looking for something, you kind of had identified that you, you wanted to lose weight a little bit, and then you kind of found running and you enjoyed it.

And I think a lot of people, myself included, was like, oh, yeah, running, I can run and I'll lose weight. And I wondered what are your thoughts like now on that? Because obviously we've spoken at length in this episode about how like you really need to make sure you're fueling correctly and how many people are under fueling. How, what's your thoughts on how the kind of two, intersect. Well, I think they probably have actually gained weight with running. And I'm not mad about it

because I'm kind of slaying. Yeah, girl, of course, you are. But I've heard that actually. I know that's a concern for many girls, but it doesn't need to be. And I have heard that that actually, you know, people do gain weight whilst they're running. Because I think, yeah, you need to feel properly but also I think I understand the fear of the gaining weight I get it but also I really think running it teaches you to love your body respect it, feel it properly and gives you discipline and drive and your body is the least important thing about you and you will learn that whilst running because when you're 20 miles deep in a marathon I'm not thinking god it's my stomach looking like flat here like what are my legs look like I'm not just like

get through this, just get through the last six miles and just like give it your rule. And then you come away with it being like, oh my God, my body did that. Like every individual cell and muscle unit and everything just married up for me to get across this finish line. And that is just a way better feeling than being like, I'm thin. Absolutely. Yeah, I love how there's been this kind of change actually towards like what running gives people and that it's seen as like this like big like powerful kind of empowering thing just before we

kind of finish the episode i've got some oh i've loved it i've loved it so much so nice talking to you oh like quite i've just got some fun fun silly questions i'm dying to know what is a weird or surprising sports science fact that always blows people's mind do you have anything you can think of I think I've given them all away. I'm not to try. Oh, actually, no, tart cherry juice is good for recovery. I actually, for the first time ever, do you know Amy Kringle? I saw her the other day and she randomly said it was good as well.

Just having some tart cherry. Yeah, it's good for recovery. Is it a supplement form? It's got to be the right breed or whatever species of tart cherry and you can get it as a juice off Amazon, I'm pretty sure. What's your current running goal and how does the science side influence how you approach it? I am hoping to run a low 120s half marathon next April, which would be really cool. And then maybe hopefully Berlin next autumn.

So the plan is just to build up to the miles again slowly and eat lots and sleep lots. And yeah, that's the sports science, guys. Eat, sleep, repeat. Repeat, yeah. I love that. I know you spoke about how, like, scientifically listening to a song that you love can help runners go faster. That's a good fact.

I should have said that. Yeah, that is good one. What's a kind of song that you love to listen to? What's your vibe? Oh, I think it's going to scare your listeners. I really like the prodigies, like they're... Oh, yeah. They're really good for like a tempo, like any prodigy song or like kind of 90s like electronic.

I think when you're doing like any form of cardio, your usual listening habits just go out the goddamn window. Yeah. I don't know about you. I like love rock music and that's just not me. I know. Suddenly I love like hard. Yeah. Yeah.

If you could leave our audience with one message about understanding their body through science, what would it be? Don't overcomplicate it. It often really is eating more, sleeping more, and try and ignore the watch. Yeah, good one. Okay, finally, just to cool down quickfire a segment we have where we just kind of ask you, you can expand if you'd like to or you can just... I'll stop yapping. Yes, no.

No, no, you can. Quite often people do. Morning or evening workout. Morning. Favorite rest day activity? Lying on my sofa with lots of food. Oh yeah Solo or group session

Solo We've done this already But guilty pleasure Workout Song Anything by the prodigy Or near archives I like a bit of her Dream training partner

Ooh I love Philly Bardon So I'm gonna have to say Philly Yeah She's an angel She is

One thing that's always in your Gym or running bag I give a pair of headphones I love music Running is actually my listening To music hobby Current go to snack or hyperfixation meal.

I'm eating so weird at the moment. I'm eating like so much pizza. I ate pizza yesterday, the day before. I'm going to have blood. Pizza. That sounds like a dream to me. Yeah, yeah. Post-marathon recovery.

When do you feel your strongest? When I am running my tempo run session and I'm like sending it and I'm like running really fast and my music's sinking off and I just feel so strong. Oh yeah. When it's like the right tempo.

Yeah. What's a mantra you live by? Believe in your. myself. And finally, where can people find you? I'm on TikTok and Instagram at Doctor underscore Mimi underscore runs. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. That was amazing. But like I just absorbed everything like a sponge. I think you're fantastic. You always put out, you know exactly what the girlies want to and need to hear. So yeah, thank you so much. Oh, I love this so much. Thank you for having me. Thanks so much. Okay, well, hope you guys enjoyed that episode. Remember,

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