HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - EP 041 TEORÍAS PARANORMALES CON EMISIONES PODCAST

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

EP 041 TEORÍAS PARANORMALES CON EMISIONES PODCASTHoy en HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE en colaboración con EMISIONES PODCAST, Les presentamos un episodio lleno de cuestionamientos, escepticismo y teorías paranormales.La segunda parte de este episodio ya está disponible en sus redes. Síganlos en sus redes:Spotifyhttps://open.spotify.com/show/4qifogfHrZVSy6Cc2VGZUpYoutube:https://www.youtube.com/emisionespodcasty en todas sus redes encuéntralos como @emisionespodcast

Welcome to Family Nocturna to another episode more of let us to talk about the day of we have a episode very special because me

accompanied some people coasters, that's the time had much got to grab with them. The day of

they're here from the controls Mike Checo and Minor of Emissions Podcast. Chicos,

how are? Good night. Hey, what are Luis, much thanks for invite us.

It's a good. It's a pleasure that we've had been the opportunity. We have time cooking this this talk.

That's good that's good that's a good. And yeah some semanitas, no, of that we're

in the time, that's that, ta, ta, ta, and what we October is a month for the

channel of this indol, the, right? For the people that in this moment was starting

to hear the podcast, there's there probably for this moment, probably for the platform

of missions podcast. and if no, if still still is to be up to get to

see, in the I'm the I'm the so you're a lot of so you

know, by you want to be going to be there's there's a link here in the

description. So, and go and and I do and back. Exactly. O'gan, what you

think? I've got a a pair of questions because we're in the

podcast and of this themeatic of paranormal conspiration, terror, apparitions, etc.

I've a part of questions for you. The only

detail is, let's let's say the net, because I have talked about Paco Arias

of podcast extraanormal. The experience that has the people when we

hear we're different of what we do we we do

the question the questions creatives. And not, not is not

not much to do that the person that's behind the person that

not just the appearance, no? And there a person that's having to

have a certain type of experiences or new reasonings or new types of expectations.

Is that there you go, a question. And with all honesty, believe in the paranormal,

the net? Yes, I think that, well, for my part, I'd say

that's maybe not convention not, not, not, not a way

maybe very traditional to, like many people will be the phenomenon paranormal

but I would say that if I think there's something more, if I think in the

metaphysical baya. Okay, okay. Kresen, the effect that has the

mind about the environment? Oh, yes, I, think in that. Okay.

I'm in that but I think in other, in other things more,

but in basis I, I'm even a little of studio that

we've could do do do the programs that definitely if there

is a other of our understanding. There's a thing there's a thing that

we're doing. I'm also I'm I'm sorry I'm it's a bit of saying,

yes, I think because there are many there's I'm in quite

with you really really really like as my nor there

you have to specific much specific much because, yes,

I think, I've seen, I've been in things like shone, and I've

heard, the sufficient as this is impossible that's impossible that is impossible. But,

but, I don't think in, in, in these things more conventionales that the,

that the woman, of black, or that the people, or that the men, or that's

I, I, I see it's, I'm, like, um, physical,

natural, but, but even we don't we can explain us.

I think it a postura a little a little sparsida in the imagination collective,

this of that is still the science, not it and I like, I like

that the people accept this definition because I think is the

most certain that is the there we know, we we didn't we

know we're we're we're a magic and we

now now not it's not your properties magics, but you

know we're a phenomenon paranormal like that. I feel that a time of the history

many many cases have caught precisely for discoveries scientific

because, no? Of the comportament of the material and of the energy.

Yeah, so, it's a thing a kind of a phenomenon a

magical a phenomenon paranormal when when when yeah

when you get the discovery scientific. I think also needs to

a fact that many of the we're people who people who want to

discover the phenomenon that's like I'm like I'm know the thing you but if you

do you do you do you're to be a natural not exactly would be a

phenomenon a phenomenon a phenomenon scientific really I'm I'm like

like it's like it's like it's even the even it has

been this rask we do we dot we don't we but in the moment that that's

it's it's a way it's even maybe replicate because you enter other

rubble instantly yeah yeah yeah yeah you know but have

you know this year this year how many how many we're two years two years

and a two years and so when we're doing this so we're in

two years in February we've okay of when they're they're the same

these things in have changed? No, I'm no, yeah. No, if you're not.

To, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, the truth

the majority not are, so, are things easily to explain, or, or,

to say, to say, to the mother, if there's there's that there's not a

question. I think me would more the second, because really, uh, uh,

if we're we're just we're with much excepticism, we, excepticism, uh,

uh, pseudo-agnosticism, but really without, because we don't, no, we don't we don't, we don't

this discipline of the studio constant of this type of but when we started the project definitive was something we had to

do for the project as the project as personal, as to understand well, to understand of what we're

doing. And, in fact, even the most people, the same audience that

has seen it has seen from from from, from, has noticed that change

in us, that is quite evident of the capitulos well, more,

more recent to the new ones. Yes, yes, we're not we, that's the

fact, we're just we're just, we're we, so, the real not we,

we, I mean, I mean, we know, we're saying, we're really really, really,

from the opinion, well, no? And from the opinion of the sceptic, no, not the

opinion of the people that I'm, and we're, and we're and we're and reading, and the

is that, accepting the critics, this, if we're, we, oh, yeah,

I mean, I'm going, I'm still I'm considered agnostic, I'm like, recalcar,

and record, like, one that I was that I was I was watching a video of terror

of a phantasm and I'm and I'm gonna watch this video way watch this video way what you're

what you're yeah and mindor me says it's very very well and it and it's like

but you think that's it's a or it's or what and he me says no see

but it's very good very good it's very good it's something we've

also we're we're we're we're we're desist stigmatize a

little the gender, no? I mean, there's many people that are not seen

Sabrina the Bruch adolescent because they say they're a new version. Or that

say, they're they're they're like, but it's like, it's like,

there are people, people, people, people, have been two years, investigating the

they're still they're going to find, on Netflix, well, so, so,

no, not so not not so so it's so so much, so we're,

to quit a little that theme and see the terror as as we've been the comedy or how we're like a

genre more of the entertainment so, a me they're going to a story of a some,

a, some, a, a, a, I don't me I'm,

I'm going to say, oh, no, no, simply me kept thinking,

like my minor that way, wow, it's very very well, actually, I'm,

a factor like, is a a little differentiator to other podcasts of like the genre or the rubble

is that not is that we're not that we're not that the podcast but we're

we're we're we're and we talk about and we about about what

we're not with the thing necessarily to cause this sensation of fear

but but the kind of the that there there that you're

about you more than provoke it. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the fact is that the boarderl, it's depend, no?

There's a, there's a, I, for example, I'll tell you go to tell you a little meeting, and, and I was talking to some

people and they were talking about, well, I don't know, that's a lot, let's talk about, let's a story, uh,

and let's tell the history, and there's a part in the history in where It's, it's a little,

if you want to if you're just a fantaciosa no. I was talking about the story

and all and at the final the little, the nina let's say a language

to get a part of the story I said I was I was I'm well

this part yeah put a so a little a little like a

so I was so I tell to you I'm to do you

do it after I'm back to these vats with the last part of the history, this that is like a lucin, and I'm kind of,

I'm kidding, allah, that's crazy, I mean, to tell you, I'm saying the story, no? And here, these people

that are more not even in the contact that I have I, this, or the normality with that I'm to this, this,

this, this part of the story, so that's, so I'm the attention. I, I,

I'm trying to all the whole contrary, I, I'm, Advirtioled, this part yeah

is put very mamma Well, no, at final no. It's, he's

committed, and we have been there's that's being there and we're listening us

and we know, we're we're not what we want to we're not what we

want to we're not, I'm sure that we know, I'm sure we're not we're

not giving us generate them involuntary then then so really

really the the other things of the we're the really are the times, we're in

more than we're more than the stories that we're doing, is that the people have this very impressed in

your your brain, that if if you talk certain things, that if you talks of demons,

that you talk about the positions of, um, and then just for simply the

mention of that the person is a suggestion to that is a story of a story of

a thing, or that he will provoke something. Okay, okay.

A little, I have a certain in turn to a things that can be going to be doing, but I

say these are phenomena multidimensional, literally not of portal dimensional, but that has to

have to different angles, I mean, at, uh, if there are people who

there are people who are that I'm said, I've got almost a time since

dormer, and me have been going to happen things. And I go, for

the of the extra normal or paranormal, but but their explanation will have a base biologic and not a base supernatural. And very probably probably you're going to top with

hallucinations or you're going to with situations that have been not with that your entombe, but your perception of the environment is the affected because your body has been modified. But also me has to happen others

who said, oh yeah, well, I don't believe in this but while I was talking here, it was to be, and it's closed, and it's closed,

and it's, my case no there's a very and you

have been saying that I'm going to the podcast they've seen in sombras so you're so you're

that's all that's right that's more interesting and so there and so there's there's people who

you're going to but there other people that you're talking to and a me has talked to

that there there was there was a there's because there a few times that were to get a lot of people

that said when I heard that episode they were things in the house, they were things,

they were some voices, there sohombs, etc, etc., et cetera, et cetera. And it was an special that when

we were about here, the person that was here saw something that was here, and I don't know I was,

and I started to get to get to be a process more of the the because it was

very so I but I'm told and I want to be able because there is where I'm going to

I'm going to what I'm what I'm not so the thing I'm a real of a real but stratospheric

when it went to be in this area of in the you see here here he went to

see a and it and it's so back to do and it did it modified

the rostro very very feo and then I'm I'm I'm I asked that was what

was being he said, he said, he was he said, after that's I mean, I mean, I'm trying to

horrible, and I'm just having a auto-control. He's got a chava, and I know something really a lot of,

in this quarter, I have three gattitos, the people that's over this story, but I've got the other

I'm a studio is a salon of the favorite, boy. So, so if this door

two seconds, we're We have We're We're We're We're A-kira

That's a A-huh Oh, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, And they Have you

Have you Aft Of the Of the No, this thing Let me Let me

Let me I'm If you If you Maybe For the People that

That's That's That's That's They're To Cotka's To be

You're This stuff They're They're They're They're They disappear. So, well,

am-in-the-studio, in part, for having a dead-cath. That day, in special, the door was made up apart in-par. I mean,

I kept with this chica almost one hour out of the house, and when I'm in the umbral of the door of the

studio, being to the front, and I'm trying, to get to get to and they do that's,

it's so me made not. It's a question of air-viceado, ferormonas, etc., no? So,

I'm a little with perfume, I'm a lot with a trapeado, barri, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Because I said, if it's a

question that's a question that's an endpegnaed in the environment, with this can be and I'm

very well, the gats not were, and I'm, it's a rarrow, it's a rarro. No, it's not.

At final, it can be the situation that, from the chica, some humor

that they have the olfato very very developed is what they're doing, and they're

not going. Percivien. During those days that they were in this zone in this zone in the way

I'm going is where I did it. And this was very bad royo because I was normal

and I felt that something that was that was that was a normal

I mean is totally atypick and every rato and every rotea thinking

that someone in the house, he had meted the studio and

nothing, and nothing, and nothing, and then I'm going to develop a feeling like a feeling like

a lot of you know, I'm going to get, you, I'm going to do you do it, and he was done,

and it was the process of three months. During those three years, all the

time here he was something, and in one or two occasions they were like they

were all something that's something, and it I can't say, well, no way

to medir it or see it. But it was the sensation that I'm a good. And it's a good

the quarter, it's very comod. And the gats are that you're behind. That's

was the day in the I'm too, and you also, I did you have a

room thinking that I was the that you're the thing that's that's the situation in

that I'm not you can't say, but this is this no It's That's

ever ever ever I've never to make a way to get to keep in because

they're because they're in the world of those because they're and they're

not of a jose yeah I've had been to buy another

but but there there there there's situations raras

that pass a a a raise of this

podcast it's I'm I like the the little the

podcasters to terror. To you, has occurred something in some of your calculations or

capsules or in the investigations that have done? Of what I think. I think of the experiences that if we're able to

let me even with Mike also with Mike, too, with Anna, that right not is that. Uh,

so, uh, so we've the opportunity to go to do an tour insolito with the director of

the agency Mexican of investigation paranormal. Mm-hmm. There we could grab a

program special where we did we did we a certain with a quijing with

a pendulum victorian with a spejo in a house of

approximately 480 80 years of in this place we did we're

various of these practices to try to contact with some

entity spiritual and we They'd sit in the tableers, but I think that the one of the final was Sergio,

because we're what we, we could presential this and see the movement of the table, something that not we had passed before, because

we had we used Yeah, we've used to many times, but that's what of the table, there's many,

there's many, there's many, there, I'm much attention, how, how, how, that

the, how, that you in your studio, to see these presences. No see, maybe we're because,

look, a minute we're a lot of a time, that was, that was about to be in my in my

camera and and all and of a I'm a little bit, it's a thing, which no,

it's no, because the al-a- because the al-a-a- but I did,

that, that's, What, what? And me I'm going to do you. I mean, I'm literally

that's the bat that if it's a lot of, that's gonna and he's and he's a cheque, I mean,

but, no me does need I'm, I don't I'm, I'm, I'm just I'm

about, I'm not a commodated and, no, nothing, that's, literally was,

ah, that's, and yeah. And the times that I've passed so, things,

to me really not been nothing has been nothing this that I'm going to tell, the that I

did the introduction to liner, since, since, um, these, these other

times that have been, I'm going with a solution very simple, but no me I'm a

attention, that you really have considered, the cats, the aroma, the, the, the,

that for a time, you know, to be, to continue to do it to do with the time,

I'm, wow, maybe, maybe, maybe, so, maybe, I'm,

the importance. And I'm sure that Manor also, too, have passed to things, way, and that we're saying, oh, this. But nothing else. I mean, we're not. No, we're not, we're not, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, and we're gonna, various times.

Various groups of friends, various persons disconnocides, this, and I, the first time that I sent me with one, if she's moved, but we were with other people, and the, the chick that was in the same of me, was very nervous. So, I said, I mean, well, Maybe it was she

The other that The one of the Who was the Who was the And the And the actual It was like Yeah,

the person And yeah No, and all the night we We've seen Other night We've been a tour insolito,

Serrameau's umbral, this, so we're going to be the Capitual that we're going to with him, no, this, uh,

at a times the night, we're doing we're doing, we're in, uh, Antonio and the

person of the house, they were in to get, because they were to start the metro and so,

so we're so we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're in a

little recidididor of the house, that the people that, that's almost could use

more or maybe the dimensions of the of the house and yeah, because it's

like a podcast, but we did like a style documental where we met we

met him between the podcast with scenes of the tour So, so most you can

know, the casings that had all the so we're we're doing time, talking about,

etc. And I made the house, a house a house precious of three

pieces and I say, and I'm for the people, because it's a house

erruida abandoned but it has a certain encanto and we're we're

It's, Paris, and all. I was just parable just in front the wall of

and there's and I'm a little there was a long, I'm going to a little so.

I was a night, I was to do see, I was so I knew that

that way I was there was there was and all there was all, but that

there there was there no there there just the two the two

the two doors and a little like a hole like so

I'm this I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm but I'm not of the quarters that's

not in the pastio so it's like that that person had

that that a little space that was under

the so so I don't promenious, et cetera, no? In that moment, the first thing was, ah, look, there's, there are someone, no? I mean, they're checking that

all this is in order, that the doors are in-cerned, that's that, no? So, however, well, rapidly me found that that's, they've been gone to all, and that just-mast we're just when I'm trying to

get in shock, way. In a shock silencio, we. Here, nobody's seen a I got into I know that I was in chock

I mean I said there's there's a there's a and I'm to see to see a

mind or I'm and I'm not so you have been heard that I'm not

I'm weird and then I'm I'm I'm I'm just I'm

I'm gonna I'm a woman was that was a was a try yeah and it

and it was I'm a little kind of like, like,

like, that has been so cliche, we, because it was a woman, was a person

that was a person, a cofia, was a black, mayas blanks, this,

a black about to the right to be a uniform way, fahada with her

with her camisetta polo black, all in black. And it was a

woman. And I said, I, I'm, I'm going to start memory of

the participants of the tour insolito and none I was with that vestimenta

I was, I was, I was, I had, we've been done with an hour of the

thing they've been going to, so, really, we're from, since we've passed around about about

two hours, not the hour that we're the hour to install and desal the things. So,

so it didn't know I'm, and I'm did, what I'm did, but,

but I'm not I'm to be, to be static, and I said, what I'm, what I'm,

what I'm, it's like, like, like, I'm in doubt, in shock so, but strange,

no, then we're no, then we're and I'm, and I said, we're, I'm going,

and I'm before to go, so there's another passio then, then the yeah,

I'm, so I'm, so margues, asomar, I'm, how, how it's going to

how are passing Antonio, and it's how are all was that's that is that still a guy

wait a wait a wait a wait a wait a wait a because I was a

see a person orita was going to get to get yeah yeah they're they're

put there the candor and I gotre an Uber with Mike because were times

of pandemic then we had to get two Ubers for separate so so

someone, we. And Mike knows how I'm like that of a repent I'm

a bit about a bad or that's a bad and so but you're

like you know, he's I'm saying. I'm I'm just, I'm just I'm

like I'm seeing to be like you like physical nothing that

that's lucid no was a person physical that was that was

a that was that was that can that can't that was

fear not what I felt I was, I was like he said he said he was he said he was and he said he's when he made

and he got him and we got him and then he he got a Anna with minor and he asked the minor oh yeah you did you

did you know he said yeah yeah yeah they're yeah they're yeah you know and you

see how when they went to when they were and all yeah because I did is that it could

be it's been that has been something that's I don't know, I know, but Miner

says, I mean that's I'm going to do you I'm going to get to get a

man, is that I'm that's that I'm a little I'm a narrative is that

there's so I see physical and yeah we're we're to talk of that

and the theory and I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

interesting no so at final to that house,

we got to six of the time, seven the time and it was the one of the morning, so we've been

a couple of hours there and a pair of hours in which we were just when we're doing, we're doing,

but, practicing some rituals, even we're we're doing, we're doing, and we say,

my, well, so it's that maybe the house was yeah, uh, it's cargated,

no, or, actually, the fact, Antonio, quantity of years that was

of one of the other of the other the other the city of Mexico. So, like the

colony more ancient. It's in a center historical. Is it a cathedral

to be a cathedral. Okay. He, he was he was that, there was

there was evidence and investigation for part of the agency in that house.

So, really actually, there was something, but we knew

We know, we know exactly because part of the tour is like you have to discover it, for your account. It's part of the experience. Really, the experience is very interesting because, the part of Antonio, he platicer that for him is a studio of market.

Well, not of market, but a studio social. Okay. at the final of the tour is when you know, and the interesting is that there were groups of persons

that assisteded, that recogied, that recogier that quadrava with the stories that I'd because he said, we know,

the agency, we know, there are, there's three entities. One a new, a young, and a monge.

So, some of the participants had been contacted with a And quadrowered the

fashes of all the fashions quadrable and all and then I don't

see if for show or what but Antonio said the net

we're we're not that they not not so I'm not so

yeah for the fan to but but very interesting

that so no no there no there no exist

there no there just there probably you don't

really the people for that tour. So, at final,

I, see that present. It's very interesting because it's not a quadra with those

that's been seen. So, that's what that's what was what was what was what I

know, I mean, I'm really a lot of this and have to be a special,

because I know that I'm, maybe in some years I'm to come to find

to come me to me myself to that what I did not not is really

and that maybe I'm really and that maybe he's very very ambrient

because we're so that's a little to be immortalize it

me to make to record it and never forget it because you know

I'm I mean I was I was I was a person physical I

so I was I and it's I'm I'm I'm I'm

I know I know to be be to be, because because no

there's no there's that's what we're to do you know, that's a right of the podcast some of a way, of some

the show that the shock that you've been a right of the circuit that you generate that you know that the mathmatic

that's not even even if you didn't even me fit so much trying to explain simply was

in my head in my case recording who were who were people are

I mean, I was That's, yeah, yeah, he's for this bat, you know, no, no, no, I mean, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's, that was, that was,

that's, the fact, of the fact, that, what could be, the light, this, this, no, no,

so, I, really, I, was, I, thinking, recording, and, so,

who, who can't, who, who can't, who, who, who, And he was

And we'd And so And so Yeah, And so, No, Well, No,

well, It's no, No, no, No, no Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.

And this house, then is in the city of Mexico, in the center historical and it's

And it's his history. It's a story. Just to one side where we were we

was like a mausoleo because he said, but Antonio that was before was used

that in this type of cases were like vicindades, almost, because it was

that was of Alcournia, of Alcournia, then there interrable to those, and even even us

said that had connections with a cathedral by the tunneles. So, it was a

house that was a thing, okay, look at the program in an episode that

I think that's called, I think that's called Contacto with Spritos. There's a chica

that, she, the people as her around said that were medium.

She in She didn't She didn't She didn't She was She said She said She said

She said She said a She said She said a Reyes of certain situations that Vivi-

And it was very A what you She has She has She has a perukeria Go to the

petulcheria Abre the door to present with the duke of the And in the

Entrada was a young So, no, no, no, because she

is new and at final, still not I'm not working

there. But he said, good good, sir, he's going to

the work, she's I'm going to give a good because of

a good to be a good at client. The sir, he went to

me, no, he said, well, let him and let's go, and we're going to

the duke to the doha, what's he's talking, he's been talking, he's,

he's going, and then he's the question, oh, well, there there's a space

that's the person that's the person. And the duress, what's the

man? And he's a man, a man, a bigito, barboncito, chaparito,

palo can't, a can't a can't that, he said, you have seen bad because this stetica

is only for the other and the last thing was this woman, and she

and she and she not she didn't that door, she she doesn't he

does importance because they say, no, well and if you're really, or when Abris came to

and we're not we're no, it's not the time, and then we to see the but now

now he's not that you know the one of the one of the same way, and the last time,

and they're saying, well, then she she has a thing, that they have an alusination and

that has to go to get to the chiroffernia. Then the dwee dysphrine. Descrivenel.

And where of an Anciano normal, like a voice normal but very very big

and that me said, tell you know and I went to putasos of a message.

I don't want to the chica of the people. Who? I mean, I think

that I was always I'm doing allusin' allus all so. So,

he said, hey, there's to get to get us to get a father and

if she has a person and she I'm me I mean, I mean, oh, so, because I'm going to do. It's a very rare.

No, no. For her, no, for her, it's not, like, with my mother, I think superpowers. It was, well, it's like, because this is, this is, no?

Well, it's all right. Well, resulta that the daughter, the, owner, to be there the other, the I mean, because they were in the father's clave that they had the

father and the and he was saying the message of when he fellesio solo in that place, because the I have

for questions of work not could get to do you and then she had

a much culpability and the message was a message and then there's

there stories that these things, that I don't see if are phantasmas, spirits, or whatever, are in many parts

because they're in zones in where not should be in a person. When I go to my house, there's a way there's a

place and it's a place in a car for sys to because it's a passo of vehicles pesable, it's not

there's a like a road like a like, but the side of the badoes where you say, it's not

you don't it's definitely. And I see, and I see And I'm young Chavos, very young And they're going to the

nada, parados, like, asperating something. And so me has passed and are different and they're

in group and the repent is one. And if I have yet to the conclusion, that's,

and then I've done the experiment of detenert and to and to talk. And me

says, no, because in one occasion of this type of, I don't

because they're like they're not, not are trying to have

to have to be in the no, I'm, with me, with my presence

with the car. One once I get to a oxo, me detengo, I'm,

I'm, and then I did I'm to do a my wife. And me to say,

to who? To the kid, to the little, there's, there's, and he

said, it's just, it's like to be a little that I'm that I'm so it

that's there has been many, has passed many years, it's

these experiences, and it's, no, it's a super-poder, it's something that's a

way to be not, no, so I'm like, they're like, they're like, they're in

many cases, in others not, but in many cases, it's like like, like,

like, like, I'm, I'm , when it's really, when it's

about, of, so, the people, they're, that then, that then, they're,

they're not, But, of actually, here, in this house, one of

that's a lot of, way. Ah, so, we're, we're, just,

we're, etchando us and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, so, I'm, when,

um, when, when, when, when, when, when, I'm,

when, he's, to, uh, just, to, the, the door to,

the, the door, to, the, the, the, in the, there's,

the lavandery, and that, and that that that's, that's, that's, the, that's,

that's, that's, minor, minor, so minor, go, and he, and he,

he, he's, like, so, he's, that's the minor, because,

well, a little a yelera, no, a, a senicer, or, I,

go, and I, I'm, and he's, and he's, he's, he's, he's,

and he, he'll be, so, and he, the, the point, the, I mean, I was just

it was over Yeah. And, and in a way, he's not he's but I'm going to

you know, I'm saying, no, we, and I'm saying, no, way. And so, and that's,

it was even before to start the podcast, but really it's not to be a me,

no me has been a lot thing, that's the thing. Fickate that me a subcriptora

for this that you want you me, me it's there's there's there are two

stories of two if you dimension as not is that beautiful what lived but no is nothing in si aterrador.

She gets to her and says that she's she's a mom sat down at the commis

and it's she's she says the mom and they regress the saluted and they

put in to talk like 15 minutes things things intrasendent is

nothing so she she she was she was she put in

the and where she's and where she's she she the

Cabrone, you changed rapidly. He says, no, I've got getting the job. And he's

we're talking 15 minutes. And he's, I'm not you're going to get to get very very so she

she's going and she I'm sure. I'm saying, I'm doing all the day consternated because

then who got to the house and my mom has a little she and

I've had been she and I've been I've done this because I talk about

and I'm the my mom and go and look the and the

and the the room of the room that's where I'm about the that's that was strange and

the other but that was too was too too was too a chica when

when I had a podcast he asked to all the people and there

was a I'm a I'm let me think you let me think it I'm

a lot I'm really I'm so you you're you're you're

you time you know almost it was a year in you know

you know, you know, but I'm going to do to do like to do so I'm doing that I'm so I'm

so much well, tell me what's what's what I'm and he said no,

no, no me he passed to me and he was what is what is what is

that that my wife was in the house and then the catito was in

the little and she was preparing the things to

go to the some passes in the kitchen, in the plant and he

and says, Moma, and instantaneously me saying, see, come back. Come back.

Yeah. And he says that the daughter and he's asked, oh, car,

because me is talking my mom no me me doesn't, then he he will be

to get you, you're being because me you're saying,

and then the he says the how they're ascucking the pathos from the

plant to the plant when they're going to be in no, she not not in the house and

me says, I said, you know, I'm going to get to get to so, there's,

there's, there's, there's, there's, these, these, the people that are

people who have cataloged, because not it's like, there's a catalog,

but I've seen that there are different. There are ones that imit the physical

but not have voice. There are others that imit the voice, but

not they have a voice, there There are others that imitam physical and voice, but it like not have qualities malvadas, even could be, like, a projection of the person.

Or, if I'm explaining, it's, it's, like, it really is talking with that person, not with someone more. But there are others that is something, an alter ego, malvado, that is it that's

a doppelganger, the which has an intentions malvadas to the person. And, conforms they're to interactual, they're,

they're just like if they're in front of an enemy that they want to make do that's stories there's a lot in the he says,

is that it's that's my brother, but his mind he was, it was very mal e'uola. And yeah,

when I went to say, I'm going to do you, what? So there's there's many stories of that then

we'll go those are going to but these stories are really people similar to

a... No, here we we're very fratical of the biolocation of this?

Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, so, we talked in a

chapter of Bilocation, we've got a invite-to-his that we've talked histories and mine are, of the fact, it's a very good,

that's always that's always. Yeah, I've talked about some times, but even, I think,

I think, I'm quite, I'm a lot of that you're a lot of October, I mean, yeah,

of the years have been yeah, I think, six years, six years, a couple, six years,

six years, I mean, so, I mean, I mean, I could say, because it was the

31 of some years and uh and and well we're we're

we're all we're we're we're we're doing exactly here where was the

studio of missions uh for that the experience of so

that we're just we we're just we're we're just we we're just

simply it's we're doing we're we're we're we're just

we're just well was there's They were, I remember if there were someone else to do you know, but your your papa, your mom. Yes, yes, yeah.

And, well, form us this experience for the children where we metiams, all the illuminations, sonidos, humo, of all,

vascaras, and, et cetera, to, to be the atmosphere. At the final of the night, this, just, no- context, no?

At the final of the night, obviously, all the house had to be to create the atmosphere totally. And,

and you're talking to, at the, at the 9 of the night, and it's I was that I'd have been because the kids not

not get to pay a Christmas in Halloween Yeah for this hour we're in

three a week I'm just in the house only with my mom that was

also we said we know us we know that day for the decoration

so then then this, no, for to illuminate a little and quit the slas that we've used and all this.

So when I'm going up over, before to go to turn to my mom, that's just the when I'm doing when I'm doing,

then I'm going to do this your room, so I'm then I'm clearly the silhouette of her parada,

uh, sustaining in that at all then stills they used the telephons fichos, I mean,

I'm not, So, so they're using, but not Tonto as it's like this luce-cita that sullen have the telephones. Levantan-a

like it was like to talk to someone, that was where there really there really there was my

mom, not you were there. But in that I'm to hear that I'm going to I was to come over

to sound passes, that are to go and they're obviously more

more more more than when they're and automatically me petrified because

I'm kept who was up the stairs because it was very so I

saw the silhouette of someone but I don't know that I'm

not petrified that I didn't get so who is or who who

who is up nothing what I'm doing for the voice that the

person that was coming was my mom the person was up the stairs then when when I was

when I'm obviously I don't see the silhouetta but automatically I'm there was

who was there was and obviously no in that in that moment I did that was

if I had seen something had seen literally literally I saw the, she was, the,

I mean, and I've seen the silhouette in so I'm directly I've been I've been two

I'm not know how she'd never ever ever seen about experiences of someone in this

moment of my life, I never had ever seen that I'm that I

know, I know that I'm I'm that I'm for you to talk this

story, me started to that, for example, a tia he has the same with my

abuela that unfortunately even is a woman is a living that she also she did

see in a reunion family where she went to the house she was also

when she was really really my and my father when

was a young he saw a a while

those in the while there really there nobody in

that there there he had that with other

test that also that they there But it's curious because in this case of him, well, the primo,

if there was a specific that was going to, I think, to a way energetic, of why it was projected because me told my papa that in that time they had said that

probably that that was a night in which they were going to be the last that would have to go to pass with a with a problem.

Actually, it's a little. And, and he, and all over that and everything. And,

and all right. But really not's explain how is that's what was that so I'm I'm going to

that there's many cases and various things that that are that you're like the doppelgangers,

the bi-location and all this and directly we're met to investigate to do after various chapters

of the talk of the time and we we know that there cases

famous-s like is the father Pio that, he was he was, I would

say the father of the bilocation because is the person most

famous. It's the staria. It's the star of this phenomenon because is the

person with more testigos that has seen in the history being

giving misas in two places simultaneously for hundreds of

people so so so so I think we think we all those phenomena are when really

also existen this type of things that not necessarily not necessarily they're not necessarily they're not going to people, but why we don't we're not

we're not doing these phenomena? And it's there where I think that also can't my perspective of the phenomenon paranormal.

Has it we've been in the in-vibus. We're just were questionin-n-n-a- -pocet. because never we've

talked the theme. And I, especially because I, I know, I know,

I know about the doppel gangers. And there more than those my name

Mike, me and I'm explained, but I was associated to the malevado,

no, so, but, I know, I'm saying like, well, that's

that I don't mean, to say that you don't mean, I mean, and who know,

you're the maybe, you're the yeah, so, so, so, is that,

it's, is that get to repeat obviously patrons genetic. So, so it's,

there's there's a person that's pretty to be a lot of you that's a really, I think it's

that's a seven, and there's a chava has a page of what I said. Oh, well, she think she

found three after the day that I did you and that and that's it was, I don't see

if they revised to do you but the part that me me me voled is that she is to make

do do you know, to be the ramma they're in common. And resulta

it's nula. No, there's ram in common between the three. But it's like if

were, I'm imagine like the the rasbos of the divin a in the that's

that's not the people, there's not not the more, apparently it's infinite,

but no, so, so, so, so, so, so, I'm,

I'm, I'm more, and yeah, the of the malvado and his bad intentions and I think

that's a little more of the folklore I mean a little little more of the creepy pastime of all that time because at final of the end of

you if you think you're in the super and you think you're that's even that's a weird I feel that's something

it's a little that's you know you know? You don't think so in the presence like

to many people say things of things of social I'm I'm asking to what

they're they're because not he terminate the term. But not is

because no exist, it's because because I'm very question and very curious but you

know, you know, that you don't think in this, demonios, angels, or creatures that are in

this kind of this gamma oscura? Ah, yeah, I'm just that I

know, these are these superiores, but that not are invisible, that are

these, these are, that are, that are, those are, that are, Like in another

frequency, but a frequency negative. And, don't you think we, we know,

we know, well, is human, so, well, is very to be able to know,

we're doing, so, man, well, well, so, but that's, in essence,

in essence, malbott. It's like, it's like, it's like to say that an abjero is a bad.

I think that's up a bit of the personality of the personalial of the person who

like the person that we're that we're always in the qualities and put them

yes totally to put them to understand those I think the way more

simple in that the human comprehend the thing but it's very

difficult is very difficult to say that something in a

in a in a level superior like an angel, a demonio, that's, that's

that about a level energy, a level power in the world,

could encassiars in one of these terms, no? If, in essence,

if there would be very complex to say, ah, is that the demonio is a,

but malo, according who? So, you, how you, how you

know, you know, is that the demonio of the of his natural Yeah, like the animals,

well, is that you, you, you know, you're talking to a human is good, sure, we're doing, we're, we're,

we're, we're we're just we're doing the planet, I mean, in essence I think we're not,

because we're because we're conscious of what we're doing that's doing that's so, you know,

you know, I see, you know, now, now, now, see, in question philosophical or

in question as conceptual, I think, in Los Angeles and the demons, because if there's,

if there there's a goal there social, very interesting. I, like,

now if if you ask you, if I'm personally, if I think this, he's,

it's not, he's, we're going, we're going, we're going to be able to not, we're going to

be a general. In the big picture, I think that's good, because I've

seen many people, in the general, in the people, that they've been a

phenomenon paranormal, and they're they're, oh, oh, it's your t'

oh, it's your too, yeah with that's they're still. They're

sure. Yeah, they're so, so, in a matter is a more of the thing,

but he's doing a affrontal the situation. Yeah, to confrontal the situation, and I think

is completely necessary. You're, you consider as like, for the things and for

things of the, you know, let us, you know, what you want to create what

and see a little. Every so, so, so, so, and so,

and figureate that No, I mean, I don't des, um,

desistiming or annulah the... No, no, desistim, for example, that

someone me say, is that I need to make a little because I feel very

bad. And I'm I'm going, wait, if that you do do you do you

do this, uh, and, and, and, and, in the chapter of

the the subject of the socialciences, the major of the major danger of the is that the people detainees

that's the, that's the, for his treatments of... Energicos and shoshitos and all this. Look, way, do you. Do you make your tea of red, of guayaba, or so, no you have to leave one for the other.

So, it's, it's, it's, it's, is, the problem is that much of the discourse of the pseudocency is, if it's for there. So, if it's, is that that that's that that's that's that's

that's not that's not quite as it's not quite if you know if you know if you don't you know what I'm

saying you're I'm doing the other the other even if you don't think the other don't know

it's true or minimum no with a rigor no exactly that's that not

that the cases of angels and demons you you're sometimes have

done with some in those have got I'm that you say, to the

mother, what's what's going to what's going to be, the, yeah,

that they have been told, that they have been in top or...

possessions. In general, we've seen, we've seen, more than this of these

about the things, we've done we've got a couple of this. And,

and if we've got a investigation very rigorous of the thing.

I think has been in the personal of the most interesting, because

there much evidence of all this. I think the things more interesting that I took to find out

into the investigations was the quantity of people that are in a year as a

moniacas that, for the most in Spain they're registered around of 3,000

to 4,000 cases of a year of positions. But, there's this, of these 4,000

to 5,000 cases, only two or three are reales according to those most exorcists of Spain that are very

few. Really, uh, morta. It's a father. Fortea is the the, the,

the, well, the good in Spain. Uh, well, really are those that have this, this type of,

of, the, of, the, the, and, uh, and,

and, they, they're, that's, that's, that's, So, literally every day

they're a new case. Every day there are a case that they say not necessarily are reales

but if they're going to feel like we need to we're doing. We're and discard them. Is that

that's another way? And it's there's a in the power of the suggestion of

the same creencia. I'm I do that that much of the religion

Catholic has fomentado this fear to to be to be a to be a

a, to be a a, of a entity oscura, no? And,

and so is the theme. Always are always, they're always they're demons, but

there are many cases that have been studied, classificated and all by the

Vatican that, that not, until the for medics and all have

had been an explanation real And that is curious, because you keep, well, a me deca much the idea of how is that the creences collectives really, if form this type of phenomena

to our around. How is that we're doing, as a raise of a creencia, we can't do so power and so power to do something to do that we can materialize to the grade that if it's such a, that one of these entities

oscuras, possean a human I go that's a surrealist that's so that's

yeah but the interesting is to be this this monoton of filters and this

is a lot of requisites that really they need for that that's that you

matter there's there's there are energies that you can't be due to the fear

to be posseid so so is lucid and the actually there there are like various

passes into, I don't, no, not passes as but we're a process to get a

possession that obviously have been from the sub-consient and how you're incitating this voice,

this little voice, and you're being seductora for the person that that is that is introducing

in she myself, to the point in the point in the act of realising or that

his the things that's devolvant intrusives to be that's that will be

the life for this or that they're in the other people or that they're in the

people. This type of things have passed in the history various times. Antonio

Samudio had done the chapter that we took to do you did it was very

popular the story that because it's very very because it's

very very d' he obviously being an person because he's

we asked we we've had been had And, and, we see, we know that he one has made

he, he, a experience very strong in a that he, he was a investigation

like he was involved, or studying it for, for his archives, not, but really,

a friend he said a guy, he said that's been having, like, this type

of problems that's that he's not is being, but, is being, victim of a,

of an entity of this type. when they They're And then Antonio

He gets with obviously with a doctor he gets prepared for

all the thing of protection and he he mentions

much all this experience of the atmosphere that

in the place where a person that has that

has a entity that has he says that

when he to the in umbra and the gris that creates around uh,

over, uh, because it was up he was up ascalero, the skyleras where it was a little, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, gets a, yeah, yeah, he was a,

yeah, yeah, to, yeah, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

first enter the father before the no, the father not wasn't there for that's

he's not yeah, but if he went to someone who he's not someone he's

he's he's he said the father he's, but if the chica you know

this words yeah, yeah yeah yeah so yeah so he

then he then he he's he went to the with the with the with the

little in in wessos He says that obviously an evidente is nutrition the mirabre totally perdied, I mean, with a

job, it was like was a living, no? And in some point then, then Antonio says that, you know, he's getting

with, he said that he was, he said, is that in reality he was a lot of the atmosphere

very pesada when I was going to and he was to be 20 years in the rubro of the paranormal,

investigating and metioning in all this type of things, because that that's there's a

yeah, yeah, it's there's a thing that was what I got to do that he said,

I said, I said, I said, and I said, and I said, and I said, for if

in any moment, know, how to, how, how many, how, how's posts

had to do you do for a problem, so the bata was a terrorized, yes,

it was the mode supervivence, Entrow So, I imagine that's so do adrenaline

Yeah, I know, no, no, no. And when he, he,

he, he, he, he, he, he said, he's, he

said, to be the question of the need, and if the the

she, the yeah, my, c' Mia, culp, um,

um, he, he, he, he, he, he, so,

okay. So, then, so, he And, lengthently, he said to the o'iddle, these words to know if there were an entity demoniac in the body of the nina.

And in that moment, I heard a little susrude in his ear that he said, he's a culp. That's... No, he said that... He's not passes for the trackers and that he treposed with a mule, that he said... No, he!

No, he! I said, yeah. So, I... Yeah, I calculated, obviously, for not tropeasar me with nothing. All of that, I know, I was... I mean, I was to be for that...

...that's the type of accidents at not... But it was inevitable. ...se trapeas, he's got... He said that he's sentio... ...that-but-man-all-all-to-all-recap-all-recap-all-recap-all-recap-old-all-reqq... He says that still, I mean,

he's still, and out there's the father's and there's some, like, some of the momhas

and that's, he says, that's, he's, he's, the man, no, I know,

so, that, what, what, what, what you say, and then he said,

wait me, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so,

because I'm, the, I'm, the pantolololas. Yeah, so, so, was incredible,

it's history, and, and, And, for example, that's very very far of those who are solicit

exorcism, because the night earlier were, they're besaring with the nobos for the

diablo, so no. So, there's much that, I'm just, I'm just to blow up

the the case, because I know, that previo of the exorcism there are

tapas in, when it's the, the manifestation demoniac and when it has

the infestation and, well, the oveation, et cetera, all these EASTAPAS, no?

But no, I didn't know that in the possession, there was a process internal that was a classificated

that's super interesting. No, because it's that are things that are going to be going to

be doing much time so long of investigation if you want to simply the rito

and the classification is that's very interesting and I was listening a rato

a book of the father, Amort, that's called, Aletheat of me Satanas or

or something. And, yeah, the actual is the most, like, investigation

has the industry, have many, many, many, many, many, I'm,

I'm, I'm, top in audio book, and it's interesting, because it was a

primis, or initially with a phrase that was much the attention. Decia,

no, you know, don't think you know, part of the error that we have been

not, Sermen, is to have a and that's it's a kind of a shock

internal to say, well, it's a Christian, and the great

enemy of the Christianity is that, but he does a contra-logica very

interesting in the book. For who who he doesn't this

them, I recommend the book. It's super, super interesting the

the assertion the that's the way that as

as as humans we're much to our part sensible, to what we we're doing

our eyes, our hands. And he mentions that for the people that has been a lot of

other type of credences, well, but Satanas is invented because has many a lot,

we're going to say that that that creature is what that's a not, no,

not put in a name, mention something something says, so, his natural is spirit,

not is like the nature physical. The forms in that you are made and designed are

to generate a to terror to you. You know, not you're not you're seeing as you like a

projection of what you not support you know? And that's interesting. For the form in the

way in the way in the form in that it is the form in many experiences of people

certain that is something that is like if were so intelligent in the

concept of the terror and the fear of that they know that they're

that they're exactly in what person because no in many

cases that are not so those deposions but in those that

are classified and in those that have been an action

extraordinary that is when there deformations physical or occur

things so so not they repit and depend

much of the observator. I mean, it's always things different things

depending who's there's a lot of the thing that's like you're like that's a lot of

for you're in a level personal, what is your protection against the how it how they're

to make that that ballbula of escape? I think the fear of these things,

no, me imagine if you if you're to be to the fear of the fear of

fear in general. I think well in the personal me consider a person

very rational I'm like, I'm, like much the analysis. I think it's a passion about,

about, about about and not in a manner obsessive, simply like, something, something,

a manner of meditation personal, me, also, to analyze the, the context,

the things, the conversations, all this type of things, and at the time that's

I think that's I think that's I'm trying to talk about these things makes that more than to be a moment

tense or a moment perturbator it does it does very interesting like just as we're

talking right I think it's something very very nutritive to to talk

with with persons that those things and can do like

other other type of conclusions no I think for

that the same the that I against the is the

the fact of this is a a scud very grand. I'm,

I'm also I'm like I'm like I'm am a frontal under these things.

For that's my, I mean, my defense is a good offensive. Your

defense is a, well, well, well, well, you're so you're

very frontal, but how, how, so, so, at level

of activity so, what, what is the frontal when when you're

in frontes a of a of fear how it's how it

is that it's that you I'm I've encountered reason in the

concept of the of what that that's that's you know that's

you're so it's a concept basic no so if you

you know you you're not you you're not so

we we've never I've never to have to we

we no pass nothing I think I think I think I've talked about

much that in the moment or like like all the terror is like but one

once that you're there you you you're you're that

you're that no not that's and it also it's a more

it has much a lot I'm much fear because you see the and then then you

then is okay and that's not And that can functionar. I mean, I mean, it's a arm of two-fil-s because also, I mean, the is, like,

is, like, a tool to survive. It's correct. It's necessary to be able to survive. Exactly, exactly. And, obviously, if you're, if you're in the street and there's a carloom of course, then you're going to pass alone. Because, obviously, it's a fear.

No, but that's, for that's, for that's, I mean, I think, yeah, no, I think, it's a paranormal. your problem. Yeah. And I think I think I think I'm

like like to know what you know what I'm like to a, I mean, what kind of

of, let us we're supposed and that and I think that's totally personal.

Uh-huh. There are people who don't do those things because I'm not because I'm

know things that's opening ports of things that you know what you're doing that you're doing things

You think you know you have the control, but, well, but, well, it's not... And really, no, it's... I mean, I don't know that's not, but I don't think it's a real. Simply, I think, it depends of the person as well, in the personal. Well, we'd say, Sergio, I, Mike, that we're here, because

no, no, no's has passed something for doing this type of things. No, it's significant that other person not let's pass, but to us not us not us with this. With this

in specific. I mean, I'm in my cacuela, I'm, I'm in, in the pantheon, the,

we're using in baby blue, the, we're using all parts. And there's I'm running, and for me those are some of the

vowsows that we're this film past that we've been to say, yeah, I'm going to

be to be at my house, and me it's quite to say to me, I'm, let me tell you

a t'clock, and I'm and I didn't, and they're, and it's like,

I like, I'm rumored in my car but there people that, yeah, for the

actual of that's that's that's maldito. And then I'm well,

and also, not only it's not only it's not that you can't generate

fear, but as we're that we're that too, that can get to get a

tool to to this. Exactly. I'm a lot a thing that

we asked to the Antonio. A lot of... A disculpa that we're mentioning much,

is that it's it's a part of as well, I'm, I'm asked, because a

me had generated a little a little I'm I'm saying, oh, yeah,

I mean, you're you're you're getting a people in this house enbruched

with objects that are even in both, and you are not, you're doing

you're so, so not it's, and expose them, and exponels to this because it's

And he said, Antonio, no, no, no, no, no, they're not, like you know, like you. And me, he says, no, they've never to that they're going to get to be something. So, I mean, the, the instructions were these, if you pass, if you, if you had you had to gore with him and say, oh, yeah, me's going to be asserate, you know, he was

tosorate, you know, and to help you with the process. He says, I have that regal, because if you you go, you go to

you're in the whiffa and you only, you only, you, you're going to do you

and you're to think, that was a manor that you talked, and that's what you

you're going to you're going to get those. But all at level psychological, so,

so, all at level, because, I mean I'm like to do, because many

times, so are some sounds of the houses, are a process of

and there's and have to do that analysis and that's that's a different, before

to make the decision of if that's, or not a contact. But, but if you not you

do you do yourself, you're going to get to that's you're going to and in your house

they're going to start to open doors, but really not is that's going to

be going to you think that you think you're going to a part of

the investigation paranormal, or how how it is literally from the point of

a point of a totally sceptic. Totally impartial. You don't have any a juice

or not absolutely nothing. It's there where you should start like any

any study scientific. Like any the hypothesis not it's not the

form in that you are the form in that you're probably not not that is

that. So, so, yes, yes, O'ygan, because this is curiosity, 100% what you're to do you guys

to play to the to what you to do you do you're to do you do you did you're

not? Well, yes, but I was attributed to the person that was in the person that's incied

to me that's very nervous the other the other not no, no,

no, we have moved and we have we've we've played in the

part partes maybe maldittes and no And no. Okay. But I imagine

that you refer to, it's that really there have been this type of movement but

always be the movement involuntary of the the pressure of the the

the of the but about the the cases that's that's

that the weha so, like as a person that have

been experiences with this is very very very

I don't consider that's like a tool exclusively for entities naturales. As far as

entities of Aftral as far as we're We're We're going to We have a chapter of that

We've got to that's a capital of that That's Yeah I think I think it would be

more like a tool of a communication in general even I'd I'd

I'd people are with abilities extrasensoriales utilizes to use the manner I could

do even a type of projection of a person that's a communicatings to the table

andal could do you do much things but definitely not I see a

attribute satanical demoniac all this that has been associating associating,

and just going and just going and I'm, because also I think, I think, I'm a thing is a

thing that's anti, I don't see, tanteros, people who are, people who are people who they're doing

a wiffa like a bad, and I don't think that's... Yeah, I don't think that's a

special. I mean, it's a thing more to canalization and of but it's, but as

there, there, many more. Exactly. Like that, there, many the radioistecis that

you know, the pendul Victorian, the tarrot also is a instrument of canalization. There's some caracoles.

Well, the book, the, how is it was a automatic? Ah,

yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the people,

you can't communicate to through the space, so, um, there,

there's also the method, there's a more, a little, a little modern,

that they do the statica of the television and the radio. Ah, that's, so, that's I don't know. I don't know. No, I'm I don't remember the number in this moment, but even with lavators, also, too, with the cycle of the lavator,

also, too, can't use. Wow, okay, that's the method of, you know? For, uh, to have, um, to kind of kacophonies. Uh-huh. Oh, L'A. Oh, yeah.

The spiritism. The spiritism, so. Entientio, I'm, I'm that I'm not sure that. is with... Yes, I'm for the

name of me too. I don't remember the method, nor the author, but the author is

someone contemporary. I think, I think fellio but I was in much, that just

was the that made the appartos that were certain that were

rhythm and and repeatitiv and that's using it to use it on a base

over the which can be similar to what you with the

sonido, that you have to have to have to do program and see what on

don't coincide to amplify that's the system? Yeah, totally. That is just right.

It's what I think that there's no there's a lot of a big You know, you know.

You know, I'm going to give a theory that I'm and say if you coincides or if you

don't coincide. I think are like transmisories of a horde but that really don't

know you know you're you're not the station you're you're

connecting you can be a person with some type of attribute, can be you same,

because it can connect to a level inconsient with your ideas. I used to a specialization

in hypnosis, we used the radio-stries and the lecture automatic and that you make through the

transit. And normally it's it's to make to the person connect to your mind.

And the other, and the micro-mivings that you do you make you because

you could make you that the man to move but if you present attention for many

angles and the person and the person was a certain sensibility in the hand was

the little micropressions between the hand the movement so. So, so.

Yeah, so, the part of the part of we're we're trying that

has got because we think it you're you're getting you're that's

agar because the Pendolo Victorian is a structure that

that's subject the the Quarso. Okay. That's the that's the way

and it's exactly the same. Perpendicular is and oscillatorious no, so. Incluso in the

base you can put you like, guides, for the response. And it's much more

easier to understand that's more than this interference of the human,

as you're taking the object and manipulating the response. So, You're just

You're asking directly to the quarso, that's called out from a structure

of the Yeah. But it's very interesting I mean because there would be in the

anecdote that he commented the Jordy Rosado you know that has this program

of a of a much. Uh-huh Uh-huh Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

And, he was he was he was in a case of that in a place

in the that the thing in the adjudicaband a a poltergeist. And, and were a

chero of people during years to investigate, until that after that's like they're that they're,

that a one kilometer, was the metro, and the metro, and the structure of the

building, and it was a non I remember that they revised, they were put some

those placas on the piece, and they were the moving the so there's

the kind of the micro-movement of the area, but it's super interesting the Pendulo Victorian. Of actually, I know that's called so, eh?

If I see what is, but no saw the name. And many times, I mean, it's interesting, because many times, many stories and cases are so that

you're going to a lot of the world not as so we're trying not so much. The grand majority. But, but, in

however, but I, if we're, I'm sure, I'm still, I'm still, I'm feeling of Nessie.

Of who? Of Kien? The monster I love. I mean, I love this. And, and even

I've studied much. No, we're going to question. No, I mean, I've investigated much

because I'm questioner them. It's like, clad of there's a manseusovia there, we.

Look, with Nessi did you all. You in what you're, Mynor? He's, you in what

Cress, even you think, even to say, no, I'm going to give many so point. Or no,

no, no, no, no, is your line. Oh, I,

no, if would but well, I'd like, for

things that I have seen, the logic that I'm in the fact that could be

atherodacty a, uh, Bivo, still. No, I'd like,

like a cryptid, but if, I, I like the idea that could

existir that. I'm really, and I think it's factible. I think

is factible. I think is factier. I think because, well, we're... Because, well, we know. Because, well, we know, we know what? In the world, in the

cell-as and all this, there's much, much area of exploration that is inaccessible for the human. And, and, of course, is very little studied, the , of the, the theme of the bosques and silvers,

although if it's really, well, of much of the fauna, of the flora and all this, if there's a great number of species that's that's

that's for the which is I'm going to think that probably there are in species

that we're that are that are that's but probably not. And the fact of

a bigantesca that could be there that's that you have

seen with the supposed evidence photographic of this

so if if I, I, so I'm I'm a much the idea of that... It's that you're not a bird. It's an dinosaurio, no? But it's a good. It's a good. It's just a good. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. For the because that not could

occurr and he was he was there so much so much so

I'm sorry exactly that exactly that's exactly that's the double gang

is the is the double credient of minor oh yeah let's let's see

the the stories that have heard what is the most aterrador that

that they have that that they really when they they were like

oh that's It was good. That's good. Or no have been

Okay. No, yeah, I think yeah, there's yeah, the

yeah, the of the Samudio and the position. I think for

all the building up of the story, of how we we're

that we we're that we just we're about it about about the

of the the profound that has investigated and he said he'd

do you know no, no, no no me no me no

me with a mind very scientific for two hours and of a story

and it was wow, more for the fact of who was that I'm doing that's yeah,

yeah, I'm gonna do you yeah, you've yeah, you've the first

case that was the one of what he was that was that was that was that

was that was the that the was that was the he was the he was he was

he was he was he was Because if, if, they've seen the part in the then they've been another conversation

with, I don't know to be a young or a yeah? Yeah. That part when I was

put those the head and it was, oh, my mother. That's, what's,

what he said, all those, those, those, those, those, those things that were

us, we're not, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's, is that,

is that we're, we're, so, that something that's that it's is a

is he is spantoso no? But, what has been the history apart of the

of the of the desamudio? Others that have been good. Okay.

There was an history that actually, there was a time we had a

section that's called relatus of the series of the

people of people of obviously of the channel that

we sent us and they were and an person

that well, it's of Colombia, that we're that in a town, in a world called the Victoria

there in Columbia, I'm not I'm sure exactly where is. I mean, there's the audience.

Yeah, but it's but it's but it's a place a little bit that's, where,

well, it's more a colony. I'm going to remember, a colony that's, I think,

in Bogotah or something, where, where, well, he, he, of a,

in this place was like a complex where there were various like, like,

departments or houses very little, but that they were in, in pieces. He said

where he lived with his parents was approximately the third or fourth piece in a

mal, no I remember. He said that he was there was a life

was a very humilde, where when, when his parents they started to go to

get more economically, then they were a time after. For this, they've

to have to rented this place to other people to continue generating

an ingress of the alquiler. So, they'll they'll this house to

some women that they, they, they've had been they're

they're in the prostitusion, and they said that they used that they're in this house like a company

and they're not, they're not they're not they're at least of the case of

various that they have said that they have been to the story that these

these people were these and they're not tonyos very

rareos during altas hours of the madugada and in

they're they're they're you know you know we don't we

Alquilar this place to these people, so the father of this child, he said, the father of this

child, he says, that no will be able to continue to the alquil with them. That,

for the next month, they're in any problem. They're they're they're getting to pay what they're

to pay. In any moment, they failed in the alquire. And all everything.

All right. Then, a resident of there himself decided to alquilar this place

because it was a little more more than a little more than what he had. The sir something

something that was something that he said, the sir, he said that he'd said that they'd

they'd he'd he's curious because it was a third So, no, not,

I don't, it was a , you know, that's that they're a lot of, it's like, that's,

like, they were, like, they were, like, a, a, patio, no?

Like, a, a, exterior, a, exterior, so, so,

so, was a time, to, he was, he said, he, no,

no, no, the thing, but the thing, he's, when,

the sir, the sir, he's, of copas, and, and, well, it's a little, and he gets a

toned to his house, then he said, yeah, well, I'm going to go and I'm going to go, and I'm going to so, well,

not is that and it would be a little, the truth is that's, he had been a, but he,

he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he, like, coquetting

with a with a woman that was in the, in the can't where he, and,

and, in this, there, there is, the catchon-de-do and all know, he'll end up that at the final she'll work to get to, like,

to the place where he was going to be doing, no? Mm-hmm. Sure. When he gets,

he, he says that he's got recosted, so, yeah, the borrachero absolute and the

and the he trained to be able to be able to start totally despite, but that in that's,

the woman that's going to go to of the ban. And he said, oh,

oh, oh, well, so, so he's got, he's no,

and in that's a moment, you know, he's he's about, and overanil

the situation of the but is that never came to me, and it's not,

this no, this no, way. Of the a repent when he's to start

in this woman, no he he doesn't he doesn't, try, try,

try, he, intent to his recosted on the the of this woman and conform

this intent to see her, the woman is coming but conform she goes this is

going to something more more morpho than a person you are you're in something

that not was human that he in a mass obscure that simply

simply was he was and in a certain moment he said that it was

like a woman but that not was a human that not was a something

he took the two and he was he was very very

very but he took with a much the one

he says he said he he said he was that he was so

So, it's there when this being, this ser, to some way, he'll go to the pantalones and literally abuse of him. This is very curious because we know that

it's difficult that a person admit a something. But, but at the day next, he's he called to the father of the child, I go, the, doggio, the of the apartment.

And he says that he can't be be in this place and that in this moment he pays

all the he had to be a little he could be able to be a other night. So, okay,

it's a problem, he said the the duke and he regress the keys for never never ever

to ever get to the other. To the day the next he the muckees how

had the chemadurs the muckees and I did that in the morning he was he went to

with the pantalones about and all, medianamente and that and that's why happened this.

But the history not terminate there. The fact, that's like the most impact was what

was what I know, I don't me, I mean, I mean, that could have been had been

this for the manner that's quite in how it was all the principle, but

conformed they're to be with the people, with the people that were

along the place where where was So, they'd know that the last

dukees, is saying, the women that exercised were prostitia, in reality, not were prostitians.

In reality, it was a secta that was a night to knowche to make to dole

into the place. Oh, wow. After of that, me said,

that the father, obviously, he hasusts much with the and he's how is possible

that exist after this still still kind of of a bit of because he's that they're

that and it's it's a pester but he's he was the kid or that's an adult

but when he was a he and he's a and he's he was a and that he'd

get to something and like it's still it's it was it

horrible, of You know, for example. And they're doing a few days. Of course, he said,

he didn't he said, he was made him immediately he wentiered after this. And no they're not to know absolutely

nothing of this. Okay. It's a story. You know, in what city was? Yeah.

I think it was in Bogotas, if my man, I'm equivocal. In Bogota, I've mentioned,

of the fact. You have reason. Yes, yeah, I think is a

colony that's a victory if it's I think that's the place. I'm not

not I'm not sure of the location exact, but I know for what

we we're a, I'm a place with much,

like much antiqued. It's a place a lot about a old. I don't

things in those places. I don't I'm not I'm sure if this not I'm not sure.

I'm not really this is a thing I'm thinking that was a little more than a succubo or something. Okay.

Some kind of of a type of a demonio or something? I think I think

I think I think it was more more powerful than a more powerful than a

really only that only that materialize as as as

and be so so so it I'm I

think that that was that was the stories

with this type of series, obviously they're and you know, and so

they're that they pass, no, that this type of people are that's

they're that's up for the nights, that much say they they're, they're,

they're they're like, like, like, that there would be, there,

but of that's to be to be a person, to me make very, very

very, the fact, there, in the first interviews, I mean a chica

that narraba a story in the when she was a little bit when she

go and she go and she she doesn't that something, she doesn't

that something she has that and she has done that has with her

has with her so but she she not not she is

having relations with that is doing the act

for the age She just She's not just She's something And that's

Something into the And it's a sensation Aterrador And at the And a very

So, it generates Like a A problem mental Exactly Exactly Exactly

Exactly The Bronca Yeah And After After When

Yeah In other At his time of She has a With the

act, So, when he, when he's, the chick in that moment detain to the nobio

and he says, me viola. Oh, so, how he, the, like, the sensation,

I said that sensation, I don't he, until that I was that was what was what

was the day. So, that was when I had like 12 or 13 years, but after

that he had been 17, 18, was when I could capture. It's too So,

and it's and it's many of the details that I'm going to not going to but I'm

about the stories of some cubos are stucous are very but here you're talking it's very rare.

Apart, it has a materialization very, very, very, very, yeah.

And here is when I think, way, so, like, how how much

how much, how much, because we have seen, for example, cases also, of contact

other people that, that has had been this type of encounters and they're

sure they're always that what they're so, yeah say playiarianos just say yamle

as reproducercer with us so I'm never thought I'm going and there a relation

for there there's no like not it's a no more is the same but it's a lot of

a race alienicana that want to come to reproduce to us and some

people who receive well and others that's you're getting and I don't see it's like he's like

he's like he's like no, never I've never had been I think about I think but it's

so it's so hard so difficult to get that's an option more right? Exactly

that's in the about the supposed of the possibilities that exist of these things

because why not that's so so yes so yeah yeah

what what what curate a A little, if, if supponial, if were real,

or if, if existier, what would be one that, that would be a little circumstance, they'd

like that would passer? I think the position. To us? And I would be a dundee?

I'd have to have a elf domestic. A elf domestic. Yes, he'd pay it very

and all. The truth is that if if the positions are very is because, uh, the fact

I'm very directly related to with what he doesn't exactly a person that has a problem

with drugs. Exactly. The control of your body. The burden of the control of your

is, is, is something is something is something, is a little, very, very scoffiant. I think it

would be a person. Mm-hmm. So it's like a type of a type of prison mental, no,

exactly. That's not a form to say to, pardon, you, don't,

no, no, no, it's just, that's just really that's like, this,

this, it's, it's, it's, it's, the, it's, it's,

yeah, he'll get the control of your sense and your, of your

personality, your character and all, um, for things that's, that's what does

really, and what is what is what's that's a problem, then the problem,

then the thing, uh, then I'm, the time, yeah, okay, there,

there, there, there, a story to this thematic that

justly me told in these days and it's

me very very very very very very because

occurred something in the podcast in this and let's

what I know I don't see if the topic

or the form to or for my boss or because

I know but does that the people connect

a a some some the times that have decided not

to talk them and a little to get to evocals and they're not the

majority but are little those that me have talked who me said

me I'm not I know I'm I'm that I tell you

the I'm I'm not generate expectatives of that so

just let me let's let's let's the story is still and the

story is to call him to hear Peter in the history for questions of privacy and he told this

history and it's super scabroza me, to me affect it dimensioning what he was living

when he had 20 years and was about to start to start to the faculty

his his papas were having a situation very conflictive

between each at the grade in that they decide they

decide they decided he he that was good, that they'd

do you their life, I'm not the life not they're they're

not a but I'm that they're that they they're they're not just

they're not not much and they're that the life part

was that so then the father and because he

had a good he had a house to

a mother and a mother and he he

was he was the the economy the home but no I wanted to

pass to any kind of a lot of then I'm a little bit a house really a good and the mother

the mother lette to live there and it was the initial of a pesadilla for all

those who were in this house from from they're noting

that they notan that the in the night there there are the noise but

the reality is that it's it's a house new with sound

new that we know that's all the so it's so it's a way to

get a get a little bit a little kind of really that's he's

first that he's only and passing the days that someone is passing

the days he's like it's like it's like it's a kind of

a kind of emanating of someone but he can he

he's he's he he's he But when he's discuida, he'll be to see like if he irradiar to some of change of temperature.

He just seems incommode, but at the final, for the university, for the change of the house, it's something so relevant. It's still in the activity day and, one day,

standing, on his camera, be that someone passes out of the court, suppone that is his mom, and the camera

in that instant is unded, in one part. He's a on the other, I mean,

but it's medium rational and he's living many so he's so he's not a

little and he he's where you're where's a room. Where

is sumida to the camera, he a door, and now he goes

to the person that was coming and he and he and he and he

down and he does know of the the degree, but at

the Much of us We do we do with this inercy that we have done just got to make the manta that's over. And he says,

no, in what moment I'm desmally. It was a dismaying. He said that the fear he said that

he said, he said to come to and the day the next. Yeah, is the next day,

no, about this, he does much a very much summer, he does it, He's,

and in the moment in that he he's going to get to the fourth but he

really so he's going to get to and now he's a dorm, but he

has a dream, and he's he's with the same house, but the

house has that not are things that are that's that's

like it's like it's like the past of the the house.

So, they're like certain parts very old, other

court of the windows and you say, it's like if this house was out of 20 or 30 years for the style. Nota that is very incomoded in the

house and see how out of the quarter is passing someone one and other time similar to the sombra that saw the day earlier. And then, perceive, he does a count that

he's standing in the camera. Voltae and is a old in where is a man a man very anciano, sent out of

the zone in the zone in the wall is a old and the man

is a very much and he he says, this is my house. And he he's

he's a arreighted and he he's he doesn't to pass the

the camera that's but they're going to get things in the things. They're

they're not they're they're to check tubaries never detecta nothing

they're to start the food is to start to get to get to

get to get to the same of the same they're they're they're

they're in a courtecito and not passed three days when was

full of gusann so at all they think that

all is for a carnissary that was contaminated

to car can change to the mean they

they're they they're they people they're they they're

they're but something more more car and less commercial and then it's exactly the

same. You know, the fruit is made to lose, that the plantas and they're

to do you and he's like, you know, you know, is that there's, that's

something, so definitely is something of the house. Nota that the last

the last months, because they're in a time there installed,

her has changed much their form of their is more

irritable, every is more enojada, overreaction with with much facility, to them as that's not

a pain, and it's a form aggressive. For other other side, the situation that had the parents,

that had in that part like, that were that were on a piece of the separation,

little, but it was a part of the mother, every more aggressive, attack and

all the time, then a day, Pedro, he came a lot of people,

and they And they say, oh, is that I have to tell what is what is what is happening. When they're a lot, your TIR, a person very religious, they're a person very religious, they're not parted the faith, but the Tia

says, is that, you're saying, and something I'm saying, that's going to go to you, they're going to be able to see. The situation is this. When they're deciding

to inter-ir-is-or-no, the mom-stead, and not, it's a very intransigente, no, it's a bit, a faculty, decided to to talk with her and she

topa in front the door and then it's going to tell you know how much time you've he's

he not the time. He mark the tia and the tia and the other,

from the other state, they're almost two hours in getting and the mom not so move

to that time. It's all the time in that trance rar or without

the Pedro is waiting out of the house every a certain time

he'll turn to and the other the when he's a man who the time

and he's the he's that they have to move because he

resisted to cross the door to the where

doesn't no truce but he's a different like agitada

but they're more more more more than than

the the house the the house they had with the

where I go to go to never. Oh, my and he he said,

he said, it was something that he was to get a my mom, I mean,

I mean, he was the susto, but they were there. He said that

after that they're that's five years getting it with all

type of sacerdote psycholog psychiatas to all to do, until that for RITos

says something something that I don't to tell to and my mom

is good and my family is the unida that that's done because my father not read in those stories

and I think more than a case that was a time. And until the future I know that

I've got to happen to pass nothing to but that that's the story that they've

told this time and I'm the and you what you think you think you think you

think that's good that's good that's I can't get to not

conclusive because I'm there's definitely. Of the sure. Yes,

it's a strange. In si the relato me fascina and I really

really is very good. Yeah. And when me it he said, I was to hear a

person that me was saying, me put in the skin chinita and

I'd make a mind I'm minding live the stories

that they can so it until this that's

that that Well, yeah no me want to get to that. So, so, for one

the relato me really. For the other other other side, Peter, he's

no, there's no, there's about the position. A level of a

dictamence medical, well, they've didn't know a other,

they're not, but I know the details of this part.

But also because because because of privacy, we're going to

then. So, I there's the possibility, but also

also there in what said the father of the father of there's

a man of a second, the reality is that. So, are very, very many many

pocus. What he is that all year has more of 1,500 or 2,000 exorcisms.

So, also, there's there's, maybe, not see the one or two,

of every they're to referer to a position that and that partes

previs. Yeah, the manifestations. Ah, the bejation, and all of so. So,

if, that's statistical it would be a more robust in all the parts

previous, I don't know, I'm so, I'm so, but I'm a me do a little

of signos that that is something that maybe, because if you're you're living

in a problem that affect a life, not just the part of spiritual. So,

I would do you do it in a part and part and what I do?

To, I mean I It's just much the part the first

the time not the time is linear and obviously there's there's there's there

of the other people but subject to a a same space

that in this case was the that the position is like no

there's there is there is there is there is there is there's there

we're we're just we're not the demons but not

necessarily not necessarily Also, also, also also also I'm a

one of a connection that's you know, you know, possession is the pernation is the

control of the body, because a spirit is there but canalization in many cases is

exactly the same, only not it's a demonio and there a religion in,

here in New York that are in Spinazo New New York on the New York

and they're they're they're they're that the spirits they take control of

their and they're they're to be they're to be the spirit and the spirit is the person is the

that's the predomomomio and it's all it's true and it's a other time but there are these parts

I also I'm a little in the canalization and in this religion that is a type of

canalization where they say that the spirit takes that the spirit

to come to that one one of the one of I don't recall if her mother or her abuela of the

of a sort of he gets like a like a big and he said a

voice ronka like and he and he starts and he starts

and he he says where is Bernard I'm visit him and he he then

he later he got the tone and the form to to be that he

was he was he so he had been part of the legend

family that his mom had the ability to be posseated by these spirits, and a few times in some moments were familiar. The situation is that he is actor of theater.

And he says, he said, I'm wondering, hey, you know, you're not you're doing the techniques actorals in her? He says,

she, but develop them, are years of trainingment. Yeah, it's like, he, this would be a year,

would be an Oscar, you know? Exactly. And if, if it said, what I did what I did there,

no so, I don't it would be able to a adjudicate to a,

I know if it's another thing, but not it's it's not a lot of

a actuation. So, so it's other other because, you, I'm, you, and so, I'm, that, and...I'm, in a part of the

Exactly. Yeah, really I think that in a certain point everything everything everything

has a thing that's because just that we've been in a in a world

where this type of things inexplicable fungent a paper in our lives because

of a certain way is what he does what he does that make that's interesting Yeah

yeah, yes, yes, yes, I, I coincide with you. I think that part of the mysticism,

I mean, is it's a very much what he said is, this, the basis the life

not is so that's not, but we want to so it's part of what that we're that's,

that's, that's the desire of that's because of an in the spirituality,

the explanations of how there's there's there's there's there's

so who's so, who's okay, I, okay, I, okay, I,

I, okay, I, I, I know. I'm sorry. I'm going to do you. I'm from the fiction.

All right. I'm really the stories. As I'm I'm not sure you know how they do you know that the memory

not is viable. I'm trying to every one every one everyone does different. Every one he's not

he's not you know after you're going to say we're we're going to see we're that's a

true super easy to manage, no? Well, as I'm how I was that was that was

phenomenon one and other other other way, in many but a day if I did it

a lot of that's a question that for me was a thing that a reason, I think that

I'm a real of my little to exercise mental for situations that I

did it's very work so I'm I'm a bad those suns lucid, I'm

understand what was with the eyes able to projectar images not in the

life real but in the mind you know I'm I'm

at the same time I'm doing a car and a ballante and things like so I'm doing to do a ching of

things in the head. Only that we don't we're just we're not we're we're doing we present

attention to details. Dentro of the many things that was a different because for me

was a in one occasion in one he came to do a problem that's my symphonia

and then my o'I was focused in the peor of the ownidos that me generated

more anxiety. And, of I don't I could have that's direction to another point. And the

symphonia is like when there's like people coming and that's to hear more more

more than that's very interesting. Not they're not being more more the agudized

is the o'clock. You know, you're focusing the eye in something. Like the

view, it's, like the body's that you can focus the voice

that only, so, only that the the amount of the volume and the discrimination of soundings, also the rest of the sonnors

are the rest of the sonnors are even even though in the reality not so the point is that when the sense of the eschews that is simply, simply simply to know those concepts you can't a lot of possibility. That incredible,

what's interesting. The role of, you know, figure it, I didn't, I don't do you know, no, I don't think that it was very intelligent, but I was and I had to

the lack of resources, I had to find out of when I talk to do you a day that I'm in the

person who I'm going to be because I'm doing the I'm going I'm going to go and then I'm going to

see to see a bit of if my head what is focusing is enfocars in the sound that

I'm doing that's making that nobody he prestra more than I that means that's just that's just

you know, so you're so you need to do you to docecece and I'm So I'd try a piece and

see the sound. I was in a room, what are you in the room? What are you

out of the room? I was in a little how they're in the sohors, how are you? Now,

how sound if I'm to start the saccate, how son, and I'm to play to the

symphonia. Because when I was to hear to hear that I'm going to do it due

a little time. If it had done more there other factors that have affected and maybe not

it would have controlled. But well, all this despapaya that you'll tell you're for the

next. I had much a great idea in my sense in just because I think many things

that were in this. When I have like 18 years a friend,

me invited a house in Michoacan and me says, ohie, Louis,

let- let-n- a phone of a Bola of friends to pass

to the because there's there's a there's a place, there's a first time

that I was going to go to go to I've been never with family, never with friends.

So, it's like, come on a lot. Amos to yeah? Exactly. When we

go to the family is a person super serious and I can't say it because all day

of today to do we're doing a more of 20 years and is a person

that no, no, not, not they don't, the bromas and the

things, it's very serious, it's very very very very serious,

and very honest. He's the things not, no, not, it's

this is, this is this is a way, I don't you know, I'm not you know,

I'm said, this, in the house they're and I'm and I'm

and I'm say, see, if you, and they're saying that there

There are things there. The fact, I've lived 10 years. Jamas me passed nothing. To my family, but has been the people that go. So, then I'd like, I'd like that you'd get a shing-a-you-you-know-and-you-not-to-de-

I'm not-mast. Ah, no, but it's very well. And he, if it's like, is like, very frank, very honest. Ah, well, no-pasa nothing. And me says, if you want, when we're

when we're just, only in the house, we're going to and we get to be we've got to know, we've

never been to it's a good. We're going. We're going, and one day he's going to because there

two groups, one that we were going to him, well, he and I and a group of 10 people who

came to do this papaya with one of his brother. This group they're

they're in a lot of bottles and they're saying, we, we, we're going

to get the ped cabron. And I did no, no,

no, it's my environment, no it's my little bit of a I'm gonna turn to be a accident, I'm, I'm gonna'n't, a door, and commences a lot of the

passes, pass on the front of the court, but I don't let's know to be a kitchen,

and he pega a little a little and he peg, pa, pa, I'm, I'm going,

I'm going, in this time, years, I need to train them. So, it's, okay,

I'm not in the first door, into the second door, for the type of echo, advanced,

about 10, 15, passes, is at the altitude of the refrigerator, the refrigerator is of metal. That's a sound, wheweso-contrault. And in that's a question, oh, yeah, boy, but for he's pegging, the refrigerator? Why, why he'll golep? Well, no, it's my ped, no important.

Salen the passes of the kitchen, they're going to the passiol. Passes for the door, no, no voltheel, for no incommodar. This, me still with the sojilloes there, are so on the final of the passio, open the door, the door, see the door, it's going to open,

so it will be to start, and now they're going to go back. And then I said, that's rare, I'm going, I'm going to

go to the door, but no see a almost, but not so I'm so, I'm going to be able to be a other

and I don't know to be, no doesn't. Yeah, he goes to get to the door, it, and it's a

door, the door, it's got and it's a rifted, but it's a a little bit of a little bit

and it was, and then I'm a cabron that's just that's a man, my friend, as a person

that's a person that doesn't with the car, it was a manned to make a madre that it was not,

no, no, no, I was going to go to the camera and I'm I'm

and I'm I'm the person where they but no there's not no no

A lot of it, so, two meters of me, and I see the door, the, the, the wall of the front, and then so, it's heard the passes where passin, where, in the passillo, but no there's no person.

They're at final, open the door, searral the and they're going, and they're going to, passan for the door, but no there's nobody. They're going to get to, and I'm going, and I'm going, what, what is this?

Oh, my. And then, this, really, I'm trying to feel me. I'll hear the passos, but now

now is a person or an entity. While one it's open and it a door but now is

a portasso the those passes are going and plasting the feet and then

and I get a ching of a year, I'm what is this what is this what is this

what is this? I'm I'm going to take I'm because I want to see

I'm so I want to see I could be there there physical, and

apriety my lapis and mentally, I'm going to say, Padre Nusro, where I think so so, they're done the ruins. No, so, man. That instant, boy, or so, I'll, so, I'm going, I mean, I'm going to, because

things, but I'm going to, but mentally me divido, like a little bit more than I was when I was with those explanations. And, all divide me, and I, say, no, no, ma'es, no mamas, no mamas. why they're

because they they're going to when I started where I'm where I'm the portasos the same time the same

those blows in the free and the passos they're in the quarter way,

they put in around the and I feel like if there people around and they're there's a point that

my head and I'm I don't know I can support this I mean I'm not I'm going to

get to I'm going to get to I I'm going to I'm I'm no I'm

I'm I'm sure one One part of me I said, way, me are you they're playing a pincha

brawl, man, I'm going going to make made chom to make sure to make sure those vats

were, desechos desechos so the bottles were consumed, one was one was

awakariado on another tired dormied there a chab was

a child was in a house my friend my man's oh boy well

well, so good that's because it's the chingada, I, I don't me was trying to par.

I gotro by it. And I'm sorry, no, mam's, who I'm as, what, like, who, like, who? Who, who?

Who, who, who did you? Who, who, who, did you? And, I said, and all you're to be, they're doing,

nobody's, so, so, so, so, and yeah, that, that's,

that's, that's, it's, one, no, man, if there's things,

way, way, oh, oh, oh, some Rewis some mames,

I was like, I was like, so it's like, so, yeah, so it's like, so it was like my

introduction in the world, it's a ching of a year, how many? 17, 18, boy. 17,

18, 17, 18, at the more, to, we, we're, we're saying

that at the more and that we'll say, that's in the channel, as a, a,

to, a, to, a, to, a, you think you're interesting.

Yes, with a good with a good thing, I'm saying, oh, the people are the story,

I'm saying, well, they're, they're, they're people, we're doing, yeah,

is that's repit in the good, no? Fichter, that's, the, the, the,

that, the of the Columbia, no, that we've not, not said,

no, we've not had, not been, we've done, we've got, we've got

we, but we're we've , but, we've got one of the best that's the

good. I'm the really that's the other than the church, that's the there's a person posseid in the

yeah, that's the man who's what they're what you? What's, yeah? I don't know

I'm not really very well. I don't think you think you don't know I'm very well

but basically this is this is a person very very certain that

that we we're that she when she when she when she when she when

to talk to get a little more she and her his prima experimented

but no men's paranormal constantly not, is something that's in their

lives to the actuality from from the kids, from the from the

same family to see a his abel after he's

after he's to be to be to be people that can't

be people that even certain experiences with burglary and all this.

One day when when they're, well, very chikas, I think were in around of the 10, 11 years,

accustomed to go to the church to the churches at the these are little not you really,

really, neither, you can't get a kind of like you could you find a

in the city of Mexico, in Monterey, cities grand, no, really,

you know, not, you know, you know, you know, because, because it that they're

to this Catholic, traditional, and that in a media ceremony of the misa a mother

with her daughter totally disquisied, totally, is out of she's saying,

he's like a woman, adult, major, but it was a little the age of them.

And the curious here is that, even the abuela, that was the that was the that

they were the and they said that they're and that that they're what they're like the because

really all they're really the child that's that's a thing that's said that a said that a mirabye that that's a person

that's a thing that's Fidhement, like the mirabed that's a exquisito that you would be

to make to make sure to make a not, but in a scene serial. Yes,

so is how it they're many times. He says that's very rare

because around the pupil, the eye in instead of being the

he's that for the quantity of be a red, a rogo very

very very but not a rogo so like we A no. An ojo injected in

a an eye injected in a right. Okay. But that after all these

words that was recital the father, the little the little to the tranquillity.

Obviously, with the time I'm I'm know, but this type of

processes like the exorcisms and all this have a time. No,

not is a session that you need a years. Even so, even, and even,

Fortea comment there, that There are sessions that never terminate and this is

what's what is what I'm incredible I mean I'm, it's something that's there's a

more it's so me it's curious that we don't want to hear a story of this type

or not that there were a certain that really they're that were they're

capacited to try to try this type of cases today I'm

they're they're they're they're not They don't, not can't do such as far exorcisms, but if they can,

like, control those. Of that, I'm informed that you can't control, but not eradical their totality.

Exactly. I, I rescato much the pedo this of the , way, because many times, when

they're a story or when they're, they're an evidence, or what say, well,

to a certain one put his eye critical, and he says, no, well, well, I've been been this, could have been this other, etc., no?

But, many times, we know, a, so, we know, a, very, very specific,

which is like, how the person to do it is a lot of, there's many people, because, they're really

passed. And, and the thing of the mind, of the, of the, of times,

they describe a look, a way, a- a-s- a-s- a-s- man,

that's a- that's exactly. That's how you do you do you

like you as a way you as a question you can't give you so you know so that's

what I'm what I'm that's kind of because they're like all the

movie all the fiction or the so in matter when they're when they're

when they when you get to oh la mad whatever something that's

something that's that this person that's that person that's this is the thing that

there's there's there's there's there's not a and much sometimes

it's there yeah yeah you know yeah you know the eyes

the eyes the eyes and the and if and if I think that with a

mind you're a much in many of cases of the

processos the type of when is in a moment very

very the assicino serial, that would be what many people say, like a mirab of a mind of

a lot of a lot of a lot of, totally disociated. And it's a mirabing that's a that's a

and the only that's is, is a is a something that something that's

something that he generates a a necessity like to do and not is the

no is the no the enojo. No. For there, many people say

that there the, of the actors is just the mirada those

are the those who are those good of the not good. And is that there's a baggage

emotive and internal that's that's just by the eyes and necessity of the

words. So, if you think a that a level of a that's

that's that's that's that has to be more details there

there's there are that are there are very you know?

I'm, you've a story that me I'm interested in Halloween.

I'm I'm a question. I think I'm the thing. My channel is of investigation paranormal.

It's like because I'm curious. And for curious, I'm a questioner. But the reality is that the investigation.

100, we. We're, we're not. Yes. We're. So, I'm not, I mean, I

say, the channel is the stories. I mean, I'm doing liberty creative and the people,

that They're the story and I want to do, then then they send messages

abertos there's my story, no manches, you're going with the because they're doing

different narratives to make a certain way. A few one or two words, if you

make a change, you'll make a time. So my channel is of the

story. But this story, oh, well, this roo so I this

this since many years that is a tendency very rare that, of actually, I don't

exactly because he did it, but I'm at a year of a year and I'm talking about

about a and so it's like, like, chemica, pad, always, I don't you,

you know, you know, you know, you know, the people, and then the people, me,

I'm, yeah, I'd be about, this bat, no, I'm, he's going to

talk, that's, that I'm that, oh, just, I'm, chavito,

I told stories that not be in a movie but they were experiences personales, for that's

so I like much. And I'm in Halloween, I was celebrate with some people,

it was a scene, because they are the fests of disfrasas not so like,

oh, are things rites of Halloween. It's a fiesta of a new,

and I did know that I never had asked to them and I

had been in a concept of a 100% esceptic. Where I'm a chava

and I say sure that we're going to tell you like a so they're so you know you know

you know you we have a ching of stories and I but not are septic

yes excepted of the things that we're let me tell me I'm

so this I'm not more a detail because to do you do it a

episode special the stories they're just they're so, it's,

I mean, it's, it's a episode complete, but there's a special that he

made a real real. It's that it when many years they know,

a friend, that they they'd not about a rare, like, a

kind of and that was a person sociable, but of a repent

they were like in their role, and in the conversation, pausable

the conversation, and like like, Volteading to the side

and when when you passed on years of her life, she says, she can be like spirits,

phantasmas and then that she perceive, she has she was like they were a

person more and that that's that you did that was a little so that

she's a show of this chica I'm trying to come to the program for

to us for you but I would be I'd be be a story of because the

stories that she, right now just going to say one like this commento but if

they're thinking, the time the way that I like and that I'm

like this she's she's really she's she's in the city

to the that's that he did. Of actually for

questions of she she needed to go and

took to do a run a hour before because

that is she's let be to be to pass for

those places. So, then I'm why, for the vibra? And he's

no. Because the first place is a case a carer very transitated

since after 70 years is a heartary of the city, in the

that for a situation a day that he was a

car he started to feel and the and

when the retrovisor view he was a person that was

a rope a Atropegues a car Antiguer, he detoo, he back to come to

and there no there's that person and not is to that car. So, and when the car, and

there's a person tired in the piece, lamentinging to get and she is in shock.

Of course, they're in people to see have some problem with the vehicle because

they've been very disconcerted so she she's like she's, but she's, but

very, very, very chocked. A the semester, it will be to pass, and it will be to pass the same. And, all year, it will be to pass, and it's like if you'd have access to a scene of a

movie, but she says, I'm saying, I'm going to see what you're seeing, I'm going to a suffixia, is horrible. The next place, says that's a calljeon in another point of the city, that when

see, too, the the space of the vehicle, the place not is the day, it's of the

night, and be how a parkeh and just of the callehyjohn and

a man, the chero the chica just be where he and then only then the

the little the little the time, but she I'm I'm, I'm

sure, I'm sitting, and the thirdo says it's a house in the

part of the right, when the I see-havened from the sky. There are two sombras

that are seeing a bitry manchated in the same. I don't want to know what

there. But she has three points of this city to the that's that can

not be because this one of the stories more demented and locus that I have

seen. The loco, boy. Like like a like a like a loop,

no? Like a loop. But only just for vidri, I mean

just in reflexe no with a way direct. And with the perception

sensorial kinestessica is strange. It's strange. The thing spejose, the theme

spejose. It's all a theme. Oh, you know, tell me for a problem.

It's a same. It's a very. Ah, yeah, yeah. There,

yeah, there, a, yeah, there, a, like, a,

yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah. O'igan, Quenten me yeah, to start a episode, but

yeah, we're almost for, yeah, yeah, it's a good rato, tell me,

for a one, a story, yeah, for sure, this episode, yeah, this episode.

Okay, I have one. Vena, for favor, Checo. I have a story of a,

of my the job of the job, no, this, she, she,

she, she, Yeah, we're, we're, we're still in the same time and space. We're still with

a gigant, Scott. No, I'm hear you, I'm listening to hear you, I laugh. I like, I like,

but I like, but, like, I think, like, she's the history, well, she's

also, she's enticester, the, of, the, and many problem is that this little,

much, much, what is much, every time that she was trying to do not, she had a

car, with her and she and so, the the room of the little of the

door to the end of her life, she was she was that one of the night and my

chefa, in that moment no was able to do you had various days in which, well, that's,

well, that's the, you know, what's, and he said, no, dechal to do that's

doorma, no. And, well, she's trying, like, continue the advice, and,

and I, and I'm, and I'm, and the husband, he said, let's be, to do you know,

no, doesn't know, let's all to be to get to get to get to dormita.

In one of those, those arrahnques, like my jeffa says, no, I don't I'm going more, like I'm

like I'm sorry to get the room, and when he gets to open the his wife, like to pop with something

like that's like, like he and he says, in the mother, what's, so what, so,

what, so, so, and yeah, then, so, so, so,

so, and be that, that you with what had chocked was with her the

that was in the piece to get a mad and the garra and in

when she she starts she starts she starts and says my he said my

jeff that she was she was in middle of the court trying

to how chingas that that she had got that

she had four months had in a corral

this normal, this, like, so, with his barandrilla and all. And she

was a saying, how she saw, check the checks the security, all the

was all right, then I said, well, insegee there was a new meble

that was like, but he said that in no moment she

could tell what was what had passed. Passed those years

and he said that just like she is very a man

of all of the terror and that that one day they were doing the

movie of the Paranormal 2 and a see this movie in where they

include a formula to the formula to a normal including a a a baby

Yeah, when is the scene in the this ent protagonist of the

movie is a baby and he says my jefa that

he started to to scandalize and to say to

to say to say, way is that that is that that was that

was what was I mean, someone he was and put on the piece and said,

he said, he said, he said, he said, another of the stories that also, in those

times, is that was she was, she was, in your house and all the side of her

was her in an handadera. You're you're gonna, you're you're gonna, and then

you know? And, and it's that, like, so, we're, we're doing

a, a quesadilla, no see, bolted the, in what she turned to, in what she, she was,

and she was, the little, the little, the little the little, the need of, the endadera. So,

like, that's, that was, not even was, the, the, the movement

of that was, she was, sitting, that she, and, she, sat down, the end of,

the question of seconds, and I said, but, so, that if, so, says,

that, I think that with the time they've been to just to have to pass to those things and yeah no, but it's a lot

weird, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, that's etchard

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of actually, me, recordast a super-cortita,

a chica one came a little one, that she had to do because when he had

a baby, he passed things like things like but she always he's

a a little a kid a little a little a little but in a occasion

if he happened to a little that they they were and then they're they're

the and she the she's the little the but the little

in this time there was there there because he had left

to the side she he he was a he was

she I was and it was just in the part of

the camera in middle. What a way? No, no, he's got he.

He's got to be a good. So, no, I'm going to get to the house. I'm going to that's

that all the thing that's not. I don't know. I was so, you know, it's all the

precedent that there's a there's a reverse, no? You know, not you don't get with the

normal and you're you're not you're Miner, with what history you want to do you want to

do you? Well, I'm, look, I'm a personal or I'm a of a

seeer, no see what you're going to hear you. Well, those two, sir, man,

easily, the two times, twice, twice, yes, sure, that's,

let, a bit, well, well, well, let, let me, the,

I'm, it's a person, is a personal, is a let's a let's

let's go to the next, for the No, no. Well, this, this story me passed ago,

I'm going to know, I've been told them in the podcast, but you, you know, that's history? Ah, I, yo, that's a surprise!

Yeah, no. But, but, so, it passed, ago, I'm going to, I'm going,

I was, yeah, passing from the, the, of the, the primary to the

secondary, in this time, obviously, we're, we're, we're, we're some pubertos of

like 12 years more than discovering Nirvana discovering the music discovering all this

and so and so for those feches I'm like my first my first no

secondary in that in that time so you know that's that's

that type of of the pubertat then duran relatively little no, because

it's that I'm in this child and this time and in some moment

for the lamentable fallycement of the family of her has to have to

move to a moment in that in that moment so obviously we

obviously we we we got very very but for the same

we we did like to give us something symbolic and significant for to get us

the one or the other. In that moment there were not there's like there these days videojamas and

all this other vlog and to tell you were, there were video call but they were

very archaic and difficult to do but well in this time the really the

most fact that when when they were the type of things then the relations

terminated so So, for the same that we had this on the world,

that the modes in that were like very those times emo, etc., because

if we were to be wearing some type of a top

with symbolologies that not we and I in that time

I an cuyar, that was basically a pentagrama

not was an inverted, but it was a pentagram. It was a pentagram that was, literally in a collar, in a collier very, very simple, of cordon

black. And she had, in this time, a collar, that was a star of David. Yeah. Six picos. Uh-huh. For the same, we said, we're going to do this interchamble, like, for you that you keep with this, and I

me keep with the tuo, and there, to there's a certain way, symbolica, we're there present. So, we're We're We're We're The time

Passed She went For the time Well, The time, then it's The fact Simply,

of the Amistice and all And we We're not to be The one with the

other But a day For the night Yeah Dormid Yeah

in the REM In the Fase REM In the Sue Muxer

It's, this loop of of, this loop of, of, the, you know, that's,

like, you know, you're just, you know, five seconds with, and then, five seconds with other thing,

and in that moment, in, like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm,

I'm, but a persecution, but a persecution, of sombras, and of things that, that, that were,

but, like, entities malignas, no? Oskirts. I remember that

I felt a fear in the dream and at the end of just somebody

someone me said in the that all that all that I do you do you

do you I tryed I'm I had the earlierment Yeah he was you?

Yeah I didn't even I didn't I said

I'm they said the only manner in that you can't you can

do this is chemando it. And then in the same I'm in the fogata

imaginary and what I did it symbolically so I just I despirted I'm

I'm I'm just like very very out of under for the dream

kind of so much kind of because I've seened that so

that so three, four months without with the little bit of the chica

me I'm gonna in a can in a time I'm saying mine for you

why you gave I'm like what you do you I'm just that you're

that I'm that I'm that I'm that she was that was that coel was a

coyar satanical and that that's that's and that me were going to be going to

and I was to try things not my life. So, then says that in that he decided

to romper the collar and desacety to get to the basura. Casually that that same

night was the I sawed all this. The persecution. The persecution and all

this. So I want the I mean, we're I mean, we're getting like, we're

like, we know, we know, we know, we don't, we know we've got to and we're

and then we know, the same, the same, and all of a lot of other collar.

The collar of the star of David, I don't have any idea. I don't I'm the

attribute you to the thing of the choyers as a , so I'm I don't know

like a channel, but me question to question me much the the fact that these

energies definitely pluvian between us I mean the person has the human has the

capacity to transmit this just in objects, just with energy invisible

or no know of how to what I'm made think much

that exists something that wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. It's that's it's like

when you top with this type of situations, as you don't have contact.

And the day that you affected that you're that you do you have to be with the

significate negative that we we're that we're many things that are there

and yeah, see, I'm I'm a lot of that's a bit

that's that's yeah, that's me, and that's a thing, I'm,

I'm, I'm, a significant in the life, was a companyer

that I'm a time and a day coming down a car random, random totally,

I think I think, how is that that I'm in this I mean, I'm, I said, I'm

the car a carmennet a other way, he was and he's a way and he's and he

and he's he's, I'm saying, how you're like, oh, chinga, what a possibility

there, exactly. But, But, but maybe, maybe, or it can be a

sort of, it's like, like, a interconnection between the person is something, maybe

intangible, no? So, no, we can't perceive, but when it's

a certain fiber, the theme that's, like the same, like the un-consient,

maybe is a connection inconscient in a thematic, and there an clagely with that

physical, no? And, and, and, and, it's, it's,

a reconnection, that's And that's And is that Is that you That's what you Even So,

is what I'm What I'm Because Much of the Principles Psychological that we can Exponer

A few Like, like, injecting as steroids and extrapolal it now so natural,

like, like, this of this of you topas with someone and of your past

and the interaction that is, you transforms in that in that person that you were

before, and it's like, for there, a little more we're going to like that's like, how you do you. Yeah,

there's, yeah, there's, there's a lot of phenomena, that also there's that's

there's no idea, we, I know, that's, I know, so, so,

so, I, so, so, and, and, and, so,

and not so, and it's not really, but the case that you're doing, so I'm saying,

but I'm I don't know I can't but it's it's it's it's it's

improbable that occur it's that we've made even we're even even to even to

even if we're no, we're gonna have been a record, we're we're gonna because but,

the special of us for three hours and a minute but not was seen that we're we're

many times there with various people, but so definitely I think was a

practice that notututive that could be more more time and

we don't we're we're what we're going to are the so the the pils

of the the pils the Audiphon. But, Carral, much

thanks. Thank you. Thanks for having said the time. Something with what you want to give to the

audience, for favor, and also your services. First, first, thank you

all, much thanks to all for having heard this this chapter.

We'll let me of what we don't know we're just much the we're and,

so, that we're that's that's that type of continue, we different to

this channel, but certainly a much people will be like what we're

we're going to we're going to see that we're doing on the podcast, we can see by approximately

also there will be to be in the channel the collaboration with to be to hear

a second part of this, no? Yeah, so, because there's a

part and third, a quarter, a quint, yeah, is a yeah, and we're

going to let's see the Boulos to see. And we're, how we're We have to arm

We're doing We're doing A carnet Asada, man It's a Alright, I'm gonna Good attitude

Hermanus Thank you Many, Much thanks For the time The talk It's very Nutrived

Very long I'm I'm glad And I'm After you're I'm gonna I'm Yeah,

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