HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - EP036: Teorías Paranormales, Eli Montserrat

Episode Date: October 27, 2022

En compañia de Eli Montserrat, hablamos acerca de Leyendas Mayas, Venezolanas y Mexicanas, Planteamos teorías del mundo paranormal. Narramos historias acerca de la Guija, Mencionamos relatos de Nahuales, todo en un ambiente, de intriga misterio y terror.Espero lo disfrutes tanto como yo.

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We need a episode very special Because we're a co-host of the podcast, Podcast Paranormal, Elie Monserrat. Eli, goodnights, how are you? Hello, good nights, Iban, very well, how you find out of today? Very good, very well. Oh, what great, I'm, I'm going to the people that you're talking, to leave something clear.

You're the person more more than the I've talked about in much time. I'm quite impacted by the little times

in those we're doing in those things. I said, wow! I know, of actually I didn't know

to know what you're doing, but I'm very good so good. So, and I'm an honor

to have to get here. Wow. The honor is me to you have invited to this podcast.

I was very emacionated to be here. In serious, you you know you know the podcast

and we're so, yeah, I mean that Fepo to I stayed in Instagram and decided to check

the reds and I did too I'm doing and I actually I really liked much the

dynamic that you're I'm going well, I'm this is going to put good. This is going to see, oh, yeah,

look, with you, you're the second collaboration that we we're so that

so you do you guys the stories of terror? I'm I love the stories of terror. Yes? Because I prepared.

I prepared various especially for this episode. I hope that's to do you do a grader. With that it's a terrible you're a little

just. Okay. Preparall? Yeah. Eli, me said for there you that you

have many stories to this? Yes, yes. Yes, quite. Yes.

Yeah, so to be to be just those in this interchambo and this partikito, I'm

going to a story. Me It's very Adelam. Very good. Ah, ha.

Yeah with what we're to start very good. Very good.

Joaquin me told this history about two semannitas. It's

a story very atypical. Of actually, it's the first story that

I've never ever to hear to hear something. Joaquin he

got in the antiqued it's like a gusto that has

a easy 10, 15 years. One day was a baza and he toped with

a sombrero type Indiana Jones. When he was so he said a more at first

he not he uses sombreros but where he said that he looks like

he made it he's he made to do he's he made to do

he he was he costa very car no no it was

something he even it was, although he gets to a person very

administrated in gastes, this if he no he's not he's not he said in him to

he's he's when he he's a little a fascination extrana. Joaquino is

a person that's a question to be a question of stethica no he doesn't

the type of the type of the he doesn't the way it's but

strangely he had a a, If he were to par with in front of the spejo and start

to see with this sombrero in different positions, and of a repent, he was playing front of the

head. And there was like a person that he said, that's that's that I

don't know I'm used to do this. But at the same time, it was very

different, and that sensation was very very good, it was a very very good,

it was he continued doing it various days, and of and then they're

going to happen things strange not in your house in his

decisions. One day he went to the house and they had

decided to buy that was a perchero these tubes of where you cluelas

just sombreros or bols or that type of things yeah after that

he had he said why I'm why I'm going to get that money in this

no money and it's very very car thinking in that it was

perfectly for that of these things that you gotro the

arrake and you're you and then you're a little he's a

little he's a little I'm not I'm the sunrero I'm on a

little perchero I'm going to pass not no not

not I'm not not because no because he

he studied when he was in the second he's

out the money and I'm the If you had to pass tantito, really

it was going to be very difficult to be very difficult to be able to be made with the money. So, so he made is

a little time, but at the same time said, it's a little papacho, no, pas a lot, we're going to

see us again. He found that he had more than a hour, sent him front to

him, he was his day, was his only that was thinking is, what camis

could, could, to combine with this sombrero. And, of a sudden, that bocecest, into his head, he said, why are you going to be? You're going to get at the time? You're going to get at the time.

You know, what importance has it has been. And other part of him was like a little young, who said, I'll parted a carmise,

quadros, maybe you can't be able to be well, or I said, no, no, no, a lisa, a clean, is the tone. And,

and, de repent, he started to know something very rare. That voice that voice that was not his voice and not

he had noted before. It was a voice different of a person major with a tone

more rasposo. Those tones that only don't do the years and in persons that people who say

they're not who were very young in that time. So it started to be

strange but at final, I'm am I'm being moving with things

very clavelo of the sombrero, I don't give importance. It's all. That day

in the night, when he to be to be to be in a bar, in other

time, a place a little bit that never has been in the

and where is sitting right to him he, he gets to get

to get to someone, he he's a man of a

man so he's he says, you like the sombrero and he recognizes the

voice at the instant. He begins to have a little of a little time is fascinated. What carhaw is it is happening? What is this? I'm going to. This is the real thing. And he's down for the first that's having a dream lucid, the first of his life. He's not a reality

that he's a despirited there and that is talking with someone that maybe was in this world. but maybe is a phantasm. Who knows? Commenced to talk to him and he says,

you are the dwee of that the sombrero? And he said, no, you are the owner of the sombrero now.

So, he's kept a little extranaid. Situente act, is in the morning,

in the camera, looking at the techo, no knows how time has passed,

how time has been after that has he does know that's very

very can't be the time, he says, well, it was too it was too

it's too different, to be what what is. The next night, he'll be to have the

dream, but in the the person not is so amable and he said, today

you know you put the sombrero. If you you're to use

it's the sombrero and at the moment to open the

eyes, he He's just with the sombrero in the Peche and he's pressurandot with his hands. One day, that voiceicita that has been there's been about him and saying, that that's what is happening

not normal, he took a tone more grave and he said, oh yeah, really this is normal, you need to do something. And for the first day he did he

he said, I'll go to those friends. He had a group of those who creen in energies and that they're in life after the life.

That for him always had been a a bit a bit a bit a one time in a time in

the time in the time in the time in the he was doing the people, the people were probably the sombrero

is a person who is a and now he wants to be posseer to you and not

know what what more that's that story because this story is what is what is what

this is what this is what what what Ihole that's very interesting has some

some of the time remontan us in the podcast just I have given this thing like the

pososions of those objects and that can carry some type of energy and it's something that

the object of the porcelana are more susceptible to carry like this type of energies or so it's

more that they're going to grab this type of energies now now now

I've heard, of actually, and me have commented that that's like the bad of the objects of

porcelana. And we've also talked that I'm like, I'm like, I'm in personal, I

consider that there's three important. A bit, there's like, there's like in a position, no?

There's more, there's, there's, five in total, but, I, so I, like,

as the important is, important, so those are three, and is like the manifestation,

when there manifestations in a as a more or more than a effect poltergays, that's a bit of shadow people, somras, that type of questions. The second is the oppression, that is when those entities

they're going to attack physically. Yeah, it's amneseer with moretones, with ragsuony, with this type of situations. This is the manifestation, oppression, and possession, that's just like the ultimate tap, that is when, now, now,

now, they pass to, like, to take the body of the person, but, but never had heard like a

sombrero or something that is like that's always like it's like we're like a lot of people

or statues or pictures or quadros no? But never I've heard about I've seen

really much the attention I'm really to think that maybe could be maybe the duon anterior

of the sombrero no? It's the same idea that I didn't know that I'm

that's talking to him at the same or maybe need help or something

and something and it present a through of dreams, but if I'm a little of a bit of that could be

something more. Yes, the most rare that I heard of the first two places. The other is the other is

the other is the one of the that was a little bit of that you and here you have a story of that.

And, yes, is a locura. So, the porcelana normally I suppose in moñecas.

But you have to have taken, in baghillas that's of porcelana that also

moenecas? No, I I've heard like in mukees of this material, but I imagine that also like the baghillas can be carried of, of, of something more common to hear that some type of figure, some muke, or something. That's crazy.

Well, it's that very probably I don't only only the material, but the use that's the is something to create a vinko effective enormous. And so, and always there's apego so mental, emotional, and energetic,

with this object, I think if you were a cupola, not you'd generate you the same a little a muclea,

right? So, could be that if apart the material, of some form, can conserve more

that energy or can be those vincal those like to make those more great, like a

type of catalyzator, it would that would be more that has that is this, that is this,

the presence of a moniaca in some type of object. That's what the information.

That's if no, I know that's the thing I'm a porcelana, it's more. Dime. Dechia,

has completed also the information. It's supposed that like the spirits or entities humanas,

so that were, for example, our spirit, our essence, no, it has been a radio

of a case, so, for example, if in a situation, fallioed

the person, only in that's only in that being, I don't I don't I don't remember

exactly, but there like a measure specific, no? But it's a radio very short, what has really, like, the spiritu human for, for, to pass, no? So,

really, it's like an area, not it's like you say, oh, well, I'm not, you're in this room, and it's a patio, so, it's apparently, it's all, so, it's in other, generally, are areas very reduced, where it's where there's a spirit human. But also, there's

where, yeah, like, the presence, is, like, in many, like, there are, like, in various locations in the house, no? But, generally, they only are in a only

a single space. Now, this type of spirits with the men are you know,

you're in a space, are the type of spirits that not are that they're

not a new and they're in a real? So, actually, yes,

okay, because there are that's a kind of, and it's has heard of

stories that they're not have a limitant of space. It's like they're

going to be the person, right? Yes, or the house. Or the

case. Fus there's a story that me has a really what you're doing, I don't say

not I'm saying, but I think there are there's many times in the phenomena that's,

where it's like, where it's, where there, I know, I know, if you know to the patron

of YouTube to Steve Levinewet and Isti? No, has heard, well,

is a chick that's a one thing, I think that actually actually, I think, he did a video of

paranormal about some five years and the people got to be a lot of all the day of all the

whole of the thing of her own to do you a lot of very, very, very, very

fertes and a reason of that she has a thing and he and he

one of those videos that one of the first encounter nazos that

took with was that was that when she he was

she he went he's so he do is a little bit of

a chastom of a man, he says, I remember very very well of a corbata of color orange,

but the car has got like it's like it's like if was like I'm not I'm not

I'm a fear spantoso of a repented I'm I'm move

and I'm I'm moving and I'm so the child that she was the

little bit the little and he goes to your friend the

friend, the guy, the muchach the man, she was she's she's,

she know, that the point is that they're that person is that

was the friend, that was that had fallen in an exactly the same.

So, it's the, the few cases that I had this idea, that one that they they're a

radio a radio can expand, but in certain situations when are desoblamations when are the only that's been totally

of the other than a person with a person with that no had a linkable that's so, and maybe there's some of the exception, is the fact,

it's really common that I usually hear that many times the people when they're going to be to be deader from a

family or a person but are they're conscious and they have some some type of interaction

yeah yeah In fact, my abuelita, during this time, the mom

of my my tia was going to be the case that was that was very that they

had been an night before that it was probably that in the last of the last of the person

was to then they're to be my abelita to that to come to come

to the last but we've had been some pendent he,

no he decided to get to get I don't know so I'll tell you Aulta comment that This person when

When I was When I was So, his Zapoats, when Entrava, sonnab, made a sound- Aseer

And I said When I was That chanklas, Pardon, I knew that was that was my abelita

was in the quarter, I think I was about And in that I'm started to hear the chanklas

of this person. And my -a-a-wlet he's got to be doing, I said, I'm

the house all-cerned all's all right. I've got to have a rea. So, then it's a little bit. So, my world, so I've got a little bit of on. And, well,

I was a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm sorry to, so I'm going to go to get to go to get to the passyel, he said that

he cremecy of the body, and my vulta, she kept, passmada, she kept there paralyzed, and my vulta, he was a

person very religious, so my volt, so he went to to rest, and there's a minute, and then it's about about two, three minutes

that I calmed and yeah, and I went and I'm going and I'm my mind. Yeah, after that nighte

and the nighteceita and they're they're saying that person fells at all time. And my abolita

check the and it was the hour, and it was that he passed that he was a wow, wow.

So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so she's, and she was,

before to be, who was what was what was what was going? Yes. Yes, so is.

Because me, I've also, this type of things that when when someone fallacy that's, that's also he's been in the patio and he'scuching

but here in Merida there's one of two or a little bit maybe it could be an identity or it can be a lus. Here, the Alushes

are known as as well as as well as I thought, I was thought of that I thought of this but I'm always that's always

that's something that is a person They sound but they're but they're or only sound

they're? So, they're they're? So, and not they're they're

the sound those goleteos of the no, so they're those those those

of the Alush I'm a before to know, before you know, I'm

that I'm a new years, I'm she said, she she lived a

time a time a time in Merida. No I don't know because

we'd a time of not have been actualized so. So, I'm

she's about and she's about to be a little bit of the Alush.

And I said, I'm I'm I'm I'm could get but

no, the stories of Los Alush me and for her and for

she, and it was part of her part of the practice habitual.

So, right I'm talking, I'm about the things that she

me me told about the pyrritritas I that I think I've got more information

about these entities. Any of this have seen a little no, but I don't, but my mom's, yeah. Tell me the

story, for favor. Well, so, so I said, my dad, I've had a ranchito to the

afuras, a lot of a little, right, just right, from here, that's called Kaukal.

The case that in that time, the poldito was very was very really only was like the construction of my Papa and yeah. The case that I

I was, I was to go, go to and go to, I'm going to, like, in the, like, a mountain, because there was like a part there, there's a place that. The case of that I said, my mom, I, I'm, I, I'm, what he said, is that, ah, it's, okay, me culled a maca, and my mom's, he cost to do with me, and my mom so cost to come and me started to mecere,

and passed the time. The case of my mom that in that in that was just was a my mom was conscious and she he was

he kept, so he kept, so like if had had sued the morto but my

mom was always he was like a little like a chaparito of

a red, like a white, so much a and he said he was

a bit bit a little little a little little like a little

like a six years so exagerately me, he said, but I saw, what I saw, what I saw, I'm sorry,

it's a part of, I mean, it's a little bit of my mind, I'm not about this said,

and you you're back and you did you got back, and I did get to move, my

mom, she was able and my mom still being standing there and in that my mom

was like reaction and he was able and he went to to the house,

no? And he he was, oh, she was like she was like she was driving and was driving to

I was like I'm going to I'm going to the mountain of my and my mom me was talking and my mom

was talking about I was talking about I was getting me like literally the mountain and it's in that I'm like reactioned too

and my mom my mom's see where I'm there's like I'm there and it's like my mom like me hallo

and me I don't remember nothing of that's soceso but my mom is what my mom is what he says

and before that they started to construct here in Merida is very common, that, before to start, like, to build a small offender, an altar, to these seres, to those series, that are,

those serenians, they are the dewshes, they are the deigners, and to be a little ritual Maya, that's a chaman, that's a serrote Maya, and they do some

chancos, and so he's, and he's, and he's there, and so, food, and, so Rews, so,

so, then my papa me comment, that had been put a glass of a water in this offender, and the and then she said, well, to say,

how his orations? And in that, my papa, that passed like a air. And that air did that the, the water

of the vase was evaporated. And the chaman said, my dad, yeah, they're ready, you know,

and it's my papa, I said, ah, okay, my papa, too, is very credient of this,

of all, so, for a reason, and, and for respect, more or, because my

old, he had commented, and that's what's what my dad, then, then,

then, I told me me, I said, me told me stories about the Alushes, and me said that they're also, you as a kid,

many times they're like, they're in, and, they're on an occasion, that there was a man that's a man that's

a man, and a lot, and he'd go to the amack, and in the night, then I'd listenable

how they're trying to and he said, ah, you're, I'd be to get to

get to his cigar, and he about his Maca. When he was going to grab his cigar, the cigar no, the cigarette was talking. And he said, no,

they're going to be molestando, this, let's go to, no, no, no, a frown, a dulceit. If he'd my cigar, then what was that this man was that he'd, so, he was accompanied, you know, he, during, during the whole

the night that he'd he'd be to care of this, this mountain, no, this terrain? And, well, well, that's so. Wow. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, So, what strange, here in my territory in Monterey,

the questions of duendes, or so, are some some people who are because it's something that's something so so it's a tradition in your

land, so, is part of... Yeah, here, and this tradition has. This is. This is. This is.

This is. Much, many, years. It's that, it's supposed to from the Mayas, it's like this tradition, no, of the oldings,

that they're also like offrendas to the Wendez. So, really this has many many years that's like, it's like, it's like, it's always, has been, the culture of the duennes. So, when you're going to build an offender, you need to pay permission. Of course, when you're going to

some place abandoned, or, I know, an assyenda or something, there's to pay permission. Because it's supposed to, if you don't pizance, they're going to be perdient between the and the

bosque and you you know you know you you're in you're in so you're

so you're a person also to also to know the those senotes are known like

portals to the intramund not that here is Shivalva is like the godes

is like Ades here in Yucatan so those the sonotes were portals and in

actually in Merida in the sonotes those used they were they

they gotrava to the women most the people they'd they'd

of the peedrass and they and they're and they're they're to find out of the gods

I'm impacted it's like I'm about it I'm really to be able

I'm I'm I'm and this these traditions you're you

have done you and the school you and the how of this?

idea is like the is like the is like the place of there's things there's like there's they're very

very far as some commentals it's due to my aboce my abelita no that I've investigated

and I think I'm and I think it's so that it's a very tethric no right America

America is like the city like the but really has been a past very obscure and also

and also it's a pasto of the past of the city. religions, creences spiritual

and I think for our naturalness tend we're to divide the things always in black and

and the black and what black we're doing it so we're so in the Christianism is God

Jesus, Jesus, Spirit, Santo and there's the culture Maya in this

culture maya are both and malos or no there divisiones of that if you

see that not is that blank and black and black, because here there is the legend of Lishabai.

No so if had you heard of about the legend of Shtabai? No,

well, is that there's that there's the first version. The first is that we

had two two brothers. One that was Sagnite, there were two

two two brothers. One of these two of these were a person very

very amable, very charismatic, very very beautiful the much the much the much

were hermases, very beautiful, the hair large, lasio, and this woman

solie to help to the animals and the people, to the people, was very

the people, but the bad for this person in that time, is that

was that was that she was she was a everybody. Now she

she she lived liberally and her other her

was much more reserved was completely serrated and everybody

was her but this person was very egoist, was very egocentric, was very grosser, and it was a the poor, like, was it, it was a person very well-educated. The case is that this hermana, that had a lot of the people, not? The case, ah, is that, then it's that she is that she goes, regress to the time, and she's the other woman, the other woman, no? The other woman, no, all the time is in her house, is a woman decent, and, well, no? The case that

one day of these the woman that's in charge to live to live

to the people falles and the poor people she knows how

did you black no the devil wears prada too is the movie

event 20 years in the making honestly can't with the secrets

anymore so I think we just we should tell her will you two please spit it out

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of the recent scandal I'm here to restore your credibility Oh, because we're a team now. That's a nice story.

The devil wears Prada too in Theatis Friday. He was a lot of the few big hitos that he lived in life, even the animals, it's comment that they were and they're and they're buried, of the, so, where they're started to sell some flowers. In fact, with those flowers,

here in Merida, it's a liquor, so, it's a drink, and it was a lot of water, and it were some flowers of a aroma very very, very really that's

you're a distance the the the old of the time

after this woman the other woman the other the other and the people of the

people will be to be aterrard that and it and they they're

but where the where he he's to start like a a cactus

a a flower but so so full, yeah and a the day's, it's a pestar, or an

olor, a se, an opeste, insupportable. So, it's supposed that this much, to the, with the way, they're all right, this pestilence, no, from where they've been interreded, she molest and he's and he's a person

good in-vita, no, I have flowers, and it weweigh very bad. So what she does is, like, it's like, it's like, surge of the inframund, and what she does, well if my

my brother did so a thing I can do that so so I'm Rondah

Rondah for the cluel for the mountains where there a mat of the

and he gets to the women of the women or the people then so

there's like they they're they're they're they're they're they're

they're they're in little coriions of there there's there in pure

under pure pure spino and that's the legend also there's another history of this delhtabai that really ishtabai I think that comes delishthai. I don't remember very well the name, that is the goddess of the death,

not like the goddess of the soul? In fact, the mayas were represented in this way. It's like in a matta of Seiba, a tree of Seiba, because it's supposed that the Argoal de Soba is what connect the world terranal with the inframund.

So, then, through the Argoal of Lichita Bay, these beings can come out. and also is like a level for that not all the entities can not all those entities

in moments specific can come not it's in a car of the to maintain like a equilibrium in the of the earth

to the earth of the mort so it's so it's supposed to actually is the god but in

her time she was a god she was a but conform was going to the conquest the world of

the Spanish then obviously, you comment this, that comes the colonization,

it's and for them to have a god of the death, this is a man, or negro,

this is a good. The case that this entity constantly they'd do you know,

I'm going a little with the ramas, it was something like an act heroic

for the Mayas because no any has the valentia, not for them to

keepars the life. And, to each for it was not something well-viced. And it was a,

like, like, a friend of that she was a goddess, no? But, but, then, with the

of the conquist of the Spanish, well, she, she had no had no so,

so what, so what was she was that she was that the inframundo and she came to

get to the people. Okay. So, there's, one more known than the other,

one is more known than the other? What is the most popular? The of

the two hermas. The of those hermas. Okay, okay. And is especially

with the womenegos or is with all and apart with the people? Here it's when the

man is a man who's irresponsible and is a unnerable and it's in the madruas when it

but also there are supposedly women that have been like there's something

is something very medied generally generally they usually see a the entity

but not they does that's like, I don't tell you I'm saying that no I'm saying that but it's more popular than those

men. I mean, I don't know that's I don't know that they'd but at the way

Monce, one of the question, me it's clear that you think you know that that's a

conclusion? That's is. Yes. You know? You know, you know, what was the

thing you did you to create in this of the paranormal? Well, so

as a sucese specific, no. I remember that, from a little chica, to me, like these things of the paranormal, me have been very much attention. I've creased in a family, well, religious, no? Because my father is a cremente, my aunt also. And, it was a little illogical, like, at the final I'd in all this. But I, of this chick, really

me really, I really inclined to this type of things, no, one, as a little, and then I, I remember that I sent about my primos, and we put to to tell stories of terror, no, and is that has been and it

has been and you know, it's not there's a lot of that's

a lot of many many many times, because I really, I really never me

has been a way that I say, you know, there's a other socese,

but it's something so very minimum, that really is like always always only

only only do my family or stories that I know, because I don't have

many stories so. scabroas as like I could. Okay, quitando the scabrozo, has taken some success

that for you is inexplicable even-explicable, even even though, tell me it, for favor. Okay.

I, I used in a house in a bolita, because I would have a person grand, so

then, so, but to access to the plant, to the second plant,

you had had to get to and in the patio there were some little

little little little that they that it was like it was over there, the night, and I was about, and I went to my computer and my bocina, and I,

I used to listen music. So, there was, like, a little balcony, so I always was in that balcony of the second-pice, and I always kept listening music. So,

a day of those, I heard, I heard, like, I, I, I, I just said that my number, and said, and I'm

and I was and I was the first of that I've looked to be and there no way my my

my people are in a second piece it's just to the fourth house

that I'm a second there but there there's no the music

that's music that's music and it's that I always

always I know I mean so I see a so I get a

kind of and then I'm put to see a and I got and I

started again to back to my ballita and I'm to calm

me I remember that I had learned the TV the abanico I was I was trying my mind

of my mind after that's a process and in this I'm going to go to my house and I'm

the and I'm going to and there and there and there and there I'm

I'm going to get over and I'm and I'm and I'm my baby my ballita the house

is too the and I'm a little no me and then after after the

after the rote that's all after the other I'm going to And yeah, but that's like, what I've happened, that's the,

I don't know, okay, okay. The voice that was the woman or the woman? It was of a woman?

Of a woman? And you're heard of the form periferica, or both o'clock? Solo was an o'clock? Solo was,

only was, only, only, okay, okay, and the voice not you know that's a person that you know,

no, and what you did feel was, so, A Sometimes our MEDOnes

from the issue of the situation insolita totally disconocid and that's what you

make you feel that you have that's you know, but in this case the fear

of the that the voice that was that it was something to do

the feeling of a of a sort of a reaction to a

reaction not actually was because I was because I was

a my Papa always me said, I'm trying to make that's the other

that's the other that's the thing, to do you know, look at your around,

no, you know, you know, I'm kept thinking, I'm thinking, I'm going to go to see,

I'm going to get to and I'm doing that and I'm going to see, no I'm going to see the ballita,

and me back to so I'm check the check the logic, no past the problem,

Adios. Good. I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm I'm very I'm very for the part

of the storytelling we're still we're coming and that's many complex but really really at level of

revision of cases in those that there are littleitos in those in those particular

suitlesas is where you're you're talking probably probably if has

there there there one of of the cases that me

I've really is that I have revised is to Alka Pone one

streamer of here this Alcapone he says he is very ordered

so it is a so all is in order and all back

there no there there there there there and

there he he's there there's there's something there

been seen some a little, and that was, if there's something, and it's not something

that's pretty much. Other streamers came out of your room, and at you're saying, you're saying

that's a house, that's only has a entry and and let's have to be in a letter,

and let's be a room. No, didn't sense. After of this

court technical, we've returned, and I know, and I remember,

I'm that those are listening on this moment, for please

us on Spotify. A A good of the people that we're going to

get to the people who because of the other other platforms that I've mentioned here.

I'm a great good abracco thank you thank you and the sociales

and the Instagram because we're in the 2,500 followers and that's a good

number. Well, Elie, I have a question of all the entities

that's studied for being in the podcast paranormal for

having participated yeah in various occasions What has been one that

that has been that has been the that's been the most you're I'm in I think

more than the things in general no? Okay I think the things that more

me have impacted and more me have been has been has been the

kind of the people who are so that there's a lot of a story I've

a bit about some that they've disappeared and for me

was like marked because I remember that after that episode I entered with a invitation with fear of that scene that was there was a scene

but exactly I don't remember very well as the story only so I said when the little was only in his house and

he started how some some of the little and began to hear how if someone was trying to

be able to the car in the case the kid what does is that is that he's

he's par came in a passio and he direct to the room when I

open the door she's a two two people and

these not they're not they're not they're not

they were like the and when when when when

when they and they they were so they're they're

they're they're they're they're they one so the

voices that were the women was like it was like voices of the

people were like that me left thinking a rafing you yeah you just you know

that you what you imagine that's that you there was a story that was

a person a person very very very the people that the people

that has that's that's in a dayabu not you don't you're

in a dayabu this is a story that in a this is a this is

a person that that the is a person that is emotionally not is a very tranquil, that's always permanent,

that's stable emotionally. But no reaction a lot, no has piques of emotion. And this situation, inclusive when the anecdote, if it does reactionar with much fear.

And it's something very atypical. And we're talking of someone, entradito in years. He's out of the house of a migra, and has to go

can't walk through various quadras to get to get to the when he's

going to that is something that's a lot of when going to go to the way that

a man a man who comes to but he he's he's getting sixagi and he

was of a banqueta to the other then he said no that's that's

not over this hour and they were at the 10 of the night was all

all the there was all the light mercurial and he said no

that she was going to the vista to go to the banquette contrary to to her and

just he's not to poparsela so when just the she'll go to come in the sameora and the

manning to and the sir in that's he'll go to him and he's just he was

going to the and then the she said very near the good time

goodnach and says where I'm where I'm there's a woman she no she was

not Cuenca. And me kept viewing, I'm going, but I said me saw the heart of the

middle and where the call is a backer. But it was a lineal. I mean, there was a form in the

that the people were the people. And it said, it was 10 seconds that I've gone where

there's absolutely nobody and say that what I see that was there not

was a not something. So, this scene of the people that you are

terrible, it's terrible, but it It was like we were We talked about We said we We took here a

A break of a little break of a little break and in that break we got him We got him back back again Sabrosa and

we're seeing about details these these two Those are those are those those are those

Cuencass and voices that not but also not you know but it's not

that the children in that in that in that story it was that in the

Anciana also were good because was tell this in common. My

is nothing more in the story of the children what was, what was, what was, someone

invoked to a people, or what relation had the children were the women?

It's supposed that they had been those entities to molest to the

family, because really to the little the little the

really the work was to be to familyar I don't know if

directly like the father or some or an known to a kid or a

but really it was for the family and this man and he

got and he took to present this scene but it's

also that in this type of of the type of the

of the hall there so never there or there

or there another other person observing observing like the

like the people disappear so without How does explain to that So,

so that an entity could distortional the reality in the you know, that's all

that's what also is a really much the attention in these things, what's

what is this and it's very common that in many many of that's that's

you know. You know, well, more well, more that's that I

want to I'm I'm understand because I'm I'm like curiousar

with the idea and to see it to be different angles I think I'm a

thing something and I'm a lot of the situation is a time I'm

me a doubt if this type of entities that there are

many that can appear and disappear and be visible and

be visible and my doubt is if they have

the capacity to manage it so I know

if simply is a phenomenon of the whole the

entity not has form voluntary and I know the reaction

of the other person distortion to the part energetic and that is what is what is the

individual or really to the entity something something like if were a

kind of a can't be a structure and then it's so it is

because there is a story that I actually in the podcast anterior

here here came a guest a comedian and he

told a story of a a person also are also a other

a lot of a lot of these phenomena these phenomena like this never were never saw and a

day a a new a person and then your your brother he has seen

in the second piece and then she she said my brother

my brother felles so three years and he said no

is that they're they're they're they're they're in a fourth

piece of a house very very very and when you're in the fourth-pice,

but if they're going to be and they're going, they're going to be. so, no, I know if the entity could control something something that's observant. Or, depending on, you know, I think that depends of much

of an entity for example there are people there are for example simply to

just to just a message specific or their method of them is like

to get to get to get so I think that the entities like

good of people that not have people who don't

they need or need kind of kind of distorting a reality in the

which we I mean, I see, not that many times, many times, no,

not are conscious of it, to do you. Oh, Elie, we're going, we're going, we're doing,

for the people that we hear, if it's thinking in, oh, yeah, but is that

they're talking about, because not it's because they're going, it's because you're

going to have been many socesos in the life of Elie and the

of the service, in the the one I don't remember, this

week you're a cemetery right? That's we're going to explore a cemetery.

What's how you do you? It's good. It's not good. It's too

very to hear some of some of some of a lot of me not me not

to know me took to see, but did you get a GoPro that they were because we took us

three people to explore and we we're what cemeteries is the were general

of here of Merida, Yucatah which is the most old. Okay. And was

for your channel this exploration or for other channel? No, no, I'm invited with Alex

Meyer and with the Dame the Amid Mewer, pardon. Yeah, Saludes

to the good Alex Meyer, and the Dame of she's been listening to last you

ultimately. The Ama of Mew. A man of M Maud. Okay,

okay. So, I've been so I'm listening very to be so you

all to you go to go to and let's go to get the exploration and Elie,

I have a question of the question we've seen a few years and now with this. I think you,

I mean, not only only you do not only do you want to kind of a kind of situation

paranormal. Yes. Yes, right? Exactly. Yes. Of the the situations paranormal

that exist and you knowces, that's investigated, or have done, what would be

one that if you could be If you could have to choose? Way. I think of allas? Uh-huh. Wow.

I think I think I would like to be Alushes. Alushes or to have some type of like a bit more than. I think I'm inclined more for that. Okay, okay. Via astral, we're going to see. You know, you know,

is like a desoblament or is another other thing? Desolamient, or a extraal. Or a voyage astral. Okay. For you, the Viastraal,

what is? It's like to go, well, not necessarily, but I'm going to do that way astral,

like to know your lives pastas, and that type of situations that then they're so I

know much curiosity to see my other life or how were my other life, then there's

there's like the spinita very clavard. That's, I mean, not just not more to start

to your and explore the space of, the here, the here and the hour, but regressions.

So, okay, that's chido, that's cool. Now, um, of all the situations,

I think this you know, I'm sure, but for a case of the situations which, under

no circumstances, you know, you know, that's that you want to be that you I think

that's that's a man, but I'm I mean I refer to be and listen, I mean, really to have

someone here in front and encounter me with the manned or the man, or something

with an nagal or something? It has been a story of gnawales that not

are not aggressive or mortiferous? No. Cas all are in these

circumstances, right? Yes, so it is. Although, no, it's not nothing, but

always it's like the need to the and the environment when there

is like these presence about, but never never I never

I've heard a little where no come in a path

and we can we can put we can let let let's

let's in the United there something there something there's

in Mexico there are the Naguels and there

there also there ancient you think these three are the same in three cultures different or are

three things totally different I think they can be the same in different in different in different so on the

maybe maybe they're really I'm really I'm the yeah in your there's a what I'm what I'm

those wachivo waitoro and something is so is so that's yeah yeah

that you we can you can you can't you can't here in Merida, is a word of origin maya, no? That's like a gruho.

And here, well, they know, like, white peck, Keken, Kekeken, is cochino, and Waip, or Peck is a perro, no, in Maya. So, it's like the brouho perro, or the gruco that's a transform in an animal, pardon, so, so, we've been we're traducing.

Yeah, but the most popular is the Waipekken, which is like the who's the people, the people, and all the and all the city. And it's like a cedar like a habali? It's like a cedar there's kind of rarillo.

It's that really is like half human, middata animal. Okay. And, well, but there's a

characteristic peculiar of these and is that then they always always always they always listen like that can't

the end of the kind of thing. What locura? So, so if he's is there is to hear Cedinas.

So, Have you Have you Have you Have you something? The sound of the

sound of the white? No. I've seen that in various stories

there's this peculiarity of the catenas but never investigated

more a more to be that could mean Yeah.

One a chica that me made a time that

did actually is a very very very was

And in those stories, she made narrow that when she lived in a house, standing very little little their

not years, never said, never they were to them and their and their children, just because

they were those in the nights they were in the the techo of the house

cadenas arrast under the and that they were they were they were because a

sometimes sonabes of the slavones metal and there were where

they were they were like a metal with another. In a occasion, that's heard much the

the sound, the father was explore and he found some some of the techo, and they were some little

grand, but never heard or they ever heard a person. Removed the carenas, last it was the basura,

passed many months, even, maybe even, even, even, even to

make a movement of the cadenas, and when they're to The techo, other

other a little story that I've heard of that's a lot of a group

of people of the people who when they're to do in a houseona in San Luis

Potos during the night all the night were listening between the

part of the other. But we don't there's there's the

house was made of the house was made the the building

was in the little that it was that it was So, no, there was nothing. And they used between a quarter and other,

one cadena contra other, that was rastrava along the mur. And no putier on dorm, they were much more than one of the cases sonnav in the techo and they were manifested. In the other, sonnabhan, never saw, you know, never saw them.

To see, some time, to see someone else on a brom. No, there was nothing. In the other quarter, no, we were not, the other quarter, no, was also, too,

was very strange. And here, in the studio of gravation, during the gravation of an episode, they began to sonar cadenas that are redacted

in the but no there were like great chains, it was the sound metallic

of one and a other and then just in a corner of the studio but

no there nothing. So, if someone has stories

about of these chains have theories what are what

in what cases occur for favor, make nos to let us

to get to get to to get us to Elie is interesting. To me, the one of the

Cadenas me cause much fear because as I'm a final I'm a come of a

Catholic or a family with creences in the Catholicism this for me is related with

condensable on a level inconsient or a level of when I'm in pen

condenados but really not have not any so but even the

can't be the like the relation also with the slavitut, no? But to you of the cadenas

you know, the sound of the sound of the sound of the because until

right not me has not not I'm not but I'm to attribute

the sound to do to this kind of that's always

like think in this part of the grunos or of the

because from the little I've always when when

when they there there there an entity present a

gaw always the noise of the radio of the cadenas for the and so

I don't have more attributed to a little a girl than a little something

that's good, in the question of the nagwales you have you have

the why the cause the cause they're not not

for what me have told is that they're that they're they're they're

they're they and it's that's that's that's that's for the

but I never I've investigated or I've asked to exactly what is the significance of it. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. Duda, as you're, I'm going to try to ask you to explore a

explorer, to the exploreror. What is a theme that if you know, you'd

two times to go to go and maybe you would be the opportunity to capture something,

or to see, ever something? Or, see, see, something? No,

no, you know, so, so, we know, so, we're going to a rumor,

much people to say, and you're saying, no, no, go. A-

that's- no-go. I think would be some, some place, there's,

some, a place active, pardon, or don't like, like, like,

I'm, like, are the ones that could be out of the thing I'm for the

being physically or for a question spiritual? I think that for the danger of

physical that could go to get to go to the where I've

know that before they've done they're practicable and that type of occultism

in the area but really never has been a great

thing I've had had been a experience but but

it's been something really I'm to be to be to be to

a don't see you, you say, no, thank you. No, I don't want to do. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm going. I'm going to

where you go. Now, there you go. Situation hypotetic, magica. For some situation,

the destiny, the life of the universe, or as you want to you want to respond

a question transcendental of something that really really want to know about this

life. What question you would you would just you're just to give

the opportunity of the question one question I think I'd think he would be

okay that's a good question if really really exists yes

for you is the great doubt me I'm much curiosity

to know I'm there I'm there kind of I

kind of I think would be something so yeah

this is it's it's it's good. People that is listening,

what would your question? The destiny, the life or the universe, you can

make a question, not they're not going in questions trampa. You're talking about

with the question. So, so it's a question and you're a question. What

would be to know? Let me in the question. And here you've been to be

this. You have heard many many letters. The last

when we last we when we did you a in-vive that see it

narrate padrissimo, when I do in vivo make narrations of the stories of the scriptors are very chided I'm kept listening to

because I'm doing like I mean, I'm going to say, so I'm really, so my doubt.

Of all those that you have been made have been some or some of some that do you

don't know that is you canererer or a comodied or inquietude there. There was

one that was the the the cat in the the window, that just the I told that the day that you've been to be able. For favor?

Well, the history is the story that's a child that's, you know, she was to go to sleep, no? She was preparing for to go to sleep, and he put her percaters of a silhouette in the window, and she decided to look at that

she did a point that it was like a a cat, but at if he found more detainment, he did point that the cat he brought down some puernes of her her head. So, she's a little of aond of because it was a

cat, well, quite great, no? And after a while that she kept seeing the figure, the silhouette, like, brinked to the techo, like when a cat brinked to the techo, and she

was a little more of the end of, because he saw a collar to put down to the call this animal, holding in the window, and he set up a little of a hond, and simply is to goposed to

do not, and he just got to to look at that night. The days posterior it went to

go to revisit to realize, no, that no would be not even this

animal, if we could we say, and she let me that one of that was

that was the tree, there was that was like this was like this

was a door, and let's get to get to get to get to get to

wow, was was he. And he was he was observed

or something? No, just said that was there a tree after a tree aseching. Tras a

is that part of the asecho is tremendous when we we're percivism I feel that for biology we have

some we have some some receptors that we're that we're seeing when something sometimes the paranoia

us engage to be to make scopastasia yeah if I'm if I'm correct me

is ecoppaestate Scopastasia, yeah. Scopasthesia, or? I mean, I think. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see.

The effect of mirada in the nuka, also called scopesthesia. And it's a supposed phenomenon in the which the senses are capable of detecter in form extrasensorial

if they're being looking looking fichament. I have an anecdote when it was very little, I think he had around

of six years or five. We went to to go to do a house of some the family.

It has nothing to have to be a time. I'm going to get to the same time.

And I'm put the and I'm sitting and I'm a my prim had a big

little I have the little little I was I'm short. For me

I'm I'm all my family had the little little little

so so I kept seeing his and then for me it was a game,

but not had nothing to do you not to get to get to all the and I'm doing to

see to see a three meters the and I'm and I'm trying to

keep the little the hair or a gross of

a so so like doing a little she she

she she she she she she she's she

me and I see that's that you're the I don't

I don't understand that was that. But me was clear that she perceived that he was seeing the there was a

one of the one of the and all the and all they were so in no, there was not doing

because I was not more sitting down sitting down just the people that the people that not I'm

not being just of the person and there there was there was there was there was

really way there more more people there more maybe more observed. So, from

me me it's quite a little, for me to we can't be a way that we're in the ecopatesthesia. That's what that's the

first person that came in this channel that says the termino and it's a chelada. That's a good, what

is you. You, have done a experience with ecopesthesia? Well, I think I think so,

no, I think we have that we have been kind of that's not so. but so it's like

you see it's like someone you're looking and there's there's there's generally in the salon

of class it's there's your friend of the other point and it you're getting and it's

like you like you talking about a little more of this term I don't

exactly for what year but there were psychologists that were

there were two psychologists that were to study and one

commented that if you the right leg, your rodilla, you're going to to start, like, to feel a ormiguea in your right. But, well, they're attributed, like, well, something, because you're

conscious, you're looking, you're, like, enfocusing, all your concentration, no, in a one single point, in this case, it's your rodilla, and for that really is, like, something that your own brain processes, no, or does a bad play there, but then, then, after that's just to do you're,

to do that, for the parapsychology, that's he's also also to study and to be a little more ample this this study, no? Because, I, of the 70% a person to the people to the rest of the studio, if they were they were

looking at one of the other, so they were like in a room, and atras there was like one of those spejo's, and at-at-as and they were seeing seeing

looking fifted to the person that was in the and the majority of persons in the room seemed that someone or something or something was about

Yeah. Figate. Figate. Very good. These cameras, there are many types of cameras, but one

very known in psychology is the camera Gessel. The camera Gessel is a place that is a

normal, but one of the of the is a spejo. The is very gross. And this

is important because not it is a one or another other side.

If you there is a point there is a part in a part of the If you enter's

for that Puerta, you're going to enter to the room, you're in the

room. And after of those quarters, normally is a cell full of

a cell where one or various people are doing the study

of the person of the time. A sometimes is it for

an interview for the interaction and kids, etc.

What is the purpose of these salas? The purpose of these

salas is to make that the person actu observed. So, then those you'll do you during much time. And no interactuals with nobody

on the other side. And, of actually, the person that's in front of them, don't interactua with nobody on the other side. And this is for that can't add that relation as natural. Well, the point is that in more than a occasion, perciv, that the people that were there in many occasions, volted to the

space, just where was the same person. Like if that person really a little, a carg, no-se-see-electric or something, but with her mirrored, and, and, if the people and if they were seen observed, and they'd

exactly at the point where this person was. I went to many other people, and that was not occurred, but if this person was present, that was that was a repeatous occasions, and it was very very important, because in the

cell, we'd have been, a other people, a-becercer, but if she was there was, notable where the person would be able to look at the spego and she was exactly the

point where the other side was this person. And I'll say one of the parts important of these

is the video gross. If in the cell of the cell of the all we're talking,

grittando, the other other side not you don't know there's there. There's

there's there. There's other than both times that's that's how you're

so it's not because we're getting some type of the kind of something that transmitted

on another that's a lot of that's it's a great, it's a

good, it's it's a interesting. Oye, the ecopastecia the, what other

termine? I'm really, because you do that you really, you're

doing, you're doing, people, you've been the you've encountered

and you have more the attention or you or

he's like a More than the termin is like the arque acoustica, that has a rune interracistible area of rethology that is in charge of the acoustics, the music, into the mundos antivus.

The arqueacustica. Archeacustica. Or so, of arcano. Of that, of archaeology. Ah, of archaeology. Okay. And has, has investigated a little how it's how it's funcernia?

Well, more how it's in what civilizations or in what structures that we have actually still presenting, like cameras

of sound if we can't call it, of some kind of some. Okay, we're going to be, also,

is a level architectonical more than instruments? Yes, yes, because it has has been

to be directly with archaeology, like, for example, the pyramid Chichinica. Okay, okay. Are you okay. So, so

these places that have encountered of the antiqued, that were in a point and were in salas enormous. And a person and a microphone and nothing of that. Yeah, yeah. That's what I was, that's the term. Oh,

I learned something. Oh, yeah, I've learned something. Thank you. This, very, very good, very this story me la They told one person that went to

a group of people and me said, contact them to confirm that they're to be able to do this.

I don't say the city, not exactly how it was actually how was the attraction,

but they were a house of terror in a city in a city of

that that they were a old convento. He

had had functioned very very attraction. Because in that year, or more well in those years, were in a newedat

complete. The tauts that were like some type of enigma of cipher, irate for routes and equivocartes, not so invasive to the house. The tragies and the technology also were too much, but it was a great newbeda. At final,

after, like, of the second month, because it was three months the second month, so they were to those people that had been have been mounted to do like an encuester for the

next year know to know that they are going to keep in the part of terror this person is part of the

team of staff that the house and me and me says I'm going to ask you

this situation was too when we when we're we're going to ask you all the people who

sawian especially those that we'd we're very agitated and with much

adrenaline we we contact with them because those data, we'd

give them a copon of a discount and we'd do you a interview and in that interview

we're we're things like what was what you was what you'd because you

would be an interview a cliente normal but of a but of we're

we're we're just we're just the different the different the what was the most you

did you the monjita of black with eyes and he had a ching of

fear, even that's not anything. And then they're they're we're doing

not a non-of- little bit they're in the chasas. Between all the actresses

that had been in different elencos that they had been done. None

in no in any moment he was people was it's

rare but not sufficient until that one of the chicas to the

they're doing the and she's a chaba moreinita and has like a

pretty abrumator. It has been a great actress. None were of Tess Morenita. He said,

oh, yeah, of what time was the chick, much chaperrita. No, no,

no coincide with anybody. They're to ask and to ask and ask and one of the chicas

that's the color of Tess, or the person. So, retoman all the

interviews where mentioned that, so they were to excuse. And they asked her, the monjita, the that was that herrador, where

you know, and then they said, the arbor central that is in the patio, when we passed us, the left, the right, no we'd be we're going. But in the regress, always was the side of the arbor, and that was what we was aterrava, because never

we never saw it. And it was when we crossed us, just the side of the arbor, there was. They were cameras in both sides, no there's nothing there, never.

And in the feches in those people were, they're going the videos and they're not there's

not really, and they're saying of the mojita, chaparita, morinita, of the eyes black with the top of

that they're being, not our role, it was our elenco, and it was a little people, and

all those of the staff, or so, we've went to past to do and we

we're abrumados, we've to get to the spectacle the year the next

but she didn't because part of the most the people was the monjita

and we we're we're the location so so that she she's

a great success a eventas to other all all

those all the all the all the so all the some Well, because

not because you know that was a phantasm you, you'd for be a phantasm

if it were real? If it were real, yeah. If were real, yeah. Trey's some story

for there? Yes, it's here of the city of this matter. For favor.

There's a very popular is a lot in a very very touristic here of the city

that's a place of a Monterjo. So, in the Paso de Montejo, there are many casals that have this style, well, in the era roco, so with many designs, the columns, very decorated in the houses. In one of these cases, a company of bank, decided to buy them to buy them. And, well, there is a bank.

In the place of the Montejo, is this bank, and they count the guards of security, like the people that are that yet until the night, pardon, working on the site. They're going to a woman, a woman of black, that's all the bank, and generally, she's usually to be in the garden

of this place. Okay. So, many years, in this place, in the past, in the time, to enterer their disfunters

into the same terrain, into the same house. Okay. The case of this family took the

fallacement of one of his children, that were three, if I'm a record, then this little, the more chiqued of the family,

it was interrary in the house. And as far as the time, then were passing the time, also were interraring to the other familyaries in this house.

At past the years, the house was the house was in the people decide, exhumar the

corpours to give us to a pontium for that not to get in the terrain. But

they had, I think, the the body of the mother, not they had been in

the case that's that's a person that there And what they're that's the mother

and going to go to his because always she kept like in the garden of the

bank, intentando to look at where he was a little when he was going to

oh, that's that's how much? And this history has been how much

time data? U. Oh, for there in 1900 and something.

Okay, so it's a good time. Yeah. Much of yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Fist that in Monterey, one of the legends urbanes, that, any tan legend, is about a

house that's called the house of Aramberry. Has you heard of her? No. In the

center of Monterrey, I don't remember well the decade, but I think that was there in

the years 40 and 60s, 1,040, 1,000, 1,000 an engineer of the

fundidora that in that time was the business of the city, He was

very well positioneded and he and was a he had to go to go to and then

he's still still two minutes he's he has to get to a family a media

a media and he together with two types more the the wife of this

engineer he opened the and this quote he enters and the other

two those them they're they're so the story

narrs that that that And that place is like embroaded

and the has the apparitions of the mother and the and the people are

these this has been to be talking since more of the

60s about 60 years and during a time the police

had the person because the people were they're there

and all parts of the years occurred this the people

if they were like to do the explorations to know this house and the situations that there were going and many

people were that were the people that were in an ambient elated I've someone because I

wanted to I didn't know that was before the Google Maps and all of that when I

did and my my my my conocin me said I'm I'm

I'm when when you're from a certain from the door to

the door to see a and in the front there was a pentagram and there a cut chichio

clavowed in the mess. We did much fear because apart the house was a feel like

a lot of the fact I'm really really. The fact I think I had a year and I

don't want to do you. For what we're not we're doing apart the of the the

part of the person who's then it was like no go go back but he's

a finales of September came here to someone that did a works of theater and that he was investigating the house of Aramberra

and he commented that when it they started to inventing he said and we'll wait and no there were nobody there but the the piers were going to and conformed we're going to it's a space very small but there's a

quarter to the front and so conform we we're just ascathes and the years were more and yeah he was sentia more aggressive because we knew them to pick then we're going to get to the place but one of the chicas

it's, it's it's a car to convulsion and it and it's a bit of

it's a time to get to get to the hospital and if yeah, no we've needed to

return. So, it's a place in Monterey very iconico because there are

many stories and if there are many people, and have seen videos and they still

there there are there there so if someone in the bank

in the bank? In the the bank is the bank? Oh, no I know

in the bank. Well, if you know the history of this bank or they have

occurred to there's a there, and then if they've done that the house of Ramberri,

well, and what that story you have here? Here in Merida has

many years that that that was for for there's for a about,

90s more or about probably, but it's about approximately there

there There was a hospital, there was an hospital here in the city, that was the hospital, the clinic peninsular. In this hospital, there were, there were practices of abortions, no? Okay. It was there like, for the bottom. And, well, obviously, as, as well, as, as well, the measures, as well, was the hospital, well, obviously, much people fellacier.

To the police, they started to get, like, report, as to that in this hospital, was they did this type of practices. In fact, it was in Mexico was like the place where the people went. Well, yeah, the rumor

was already was made, so it was passed it very so many zones, and there were

people who were the city of Mexico, to other other than to practice. Tientp. And then

after questions legal, I think, of the payos, not very well, but

they're in this clinic. The clinic the clinic the abandon. And obviously, the

clinic, was, thinking in kind of like all that was all that was abandoned, well, much people began to ingress to her. And obviously, part of the people that I would also, also, people would also,

people to do ritual. And in the other than the other, there are ceres of vellas for all the other, in the hospital is of three-pices, not more. In the plant, in the floor two, in the plant media, there are like,

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the the other, the the place in this in this in this

hospital is a but when when they they're still and they're and what they when you

when you when you it's a sense that that pesa that the the place the place

the place that's a part of pester because it's because it's the the way, so, so,

I was in very bad as there's also, there's also, there's also,

where more it's supposed that's in the second-pice, in the second- piece, and they were

to do you do get to do this rituals, to bring the fire, and they were there

to chamanes and so things, but really actually, they were even, they were

more the situation of what really started to say, In the end of the hospital, there was a little bit of the hospital, there was a mural.

And they're going to be that mural when they started to do the limpia and they're just for other ramas. But the people that I've known, with the people that I've spoken when in those times, those houses of Gloria, of this hospital, well, if you're really

if you had, and could you'd be able to listen to the chants of the babies, then I'd listen to the gits of the women and that type of things. I, when I was, I, if I had a fear

but like you see that's not going to nothing and it's a lot of an location

abandoned. But, yeah, after we've checked, that you don't get a lot of the accommodations, because

are the vast, they're of the pieces, we're just, I, a friend, and two

people who were in the entry that also that were there was a bit to be

a little soly and we And we revised all the location and we've went to the third piece and we're back. And then we went, we're going to, and we went to the second-pice. But when we got to the second-pice,

and we were recorriending, I was, I came, I was here down and then he's he said, I feel the environment very pised. And I, I, I, I, I, I kept quiet because, before that he said,

that he said to me, he made the skin when we were in the pentagram that was in the piece and we're we're going to and the little he was back

to us over us know I'm I'm too too a lot of to be a hard to be right and the little the little

he was just was sodando but so doing and there was much cold like that he was trying that way so I'm not

we said no my friend me he said to come in my so sure it's like I'm They took them. And we're saying, oh, no, it's nothing, no, it's coincidence. And

we're going to walk. And, yeah, when we're going to be going, we're going to hear about us tirled something to the room and we're taking, and check out of it. Like, if we were trying to get a lot, but is that no, there was that, really the place has been

completely serrado, because only there's an entry to the hospital, and the windows and all are, and all are all in certain. So, so It also, it was rare that the sound from the room from the room and there's

no, there's no, there's no, there's, there, there's, there, cutas, but no, there's, but no,

there's a little that can't generate that and then we make a little bit of a bit of a lot,

and then then we did, we're a car, so it's a very very much

for the policeia just the also, also, also, that the people,

then the people were to do, and that practice in the place and right right

really you are the real estate there's a complete there you can't but that's like the

clinic of popularly popularly known as it like the clinic of the five hundred abortes

the clinic of the kentis yeah that's yeah that yeah

the lot that when they they're they're they're they're they're

they're I'm you're you're not there there someone in that someone

can't be there or something metallic or nothing or

no and you you are good recognizing sound so you the sound

the lot of the metal contra peter or metal contra metal

metal contra metal metal contra peter that son the

sounded the good so that's interesting that that's interesting

and the ojacks the piece that was the third or the fourth?

It was the first first piece. Ah, okay, yeah. So, so, so can't come to come to

the exterior. Yes, but the room we're in the room. When you're when you

enter, there's a little reception of this side, and you go, you're going,

you're going, you're you're, you're that's, that's, that we're that we're

that we've seen, that we're that we're that we're all the area, like,

like, like, like, refresco or something. There maybe basura, like, of food. But no there were in lots, lots of refescent. And no there was any

place, like, in alt, from the wind or whatever thing? No, it's that was completely serrado. It was a separate, where it's a part where

is all hermetic. And that's a quarter is completely armetical. And no, there's, and there can be like,

like, like, something something like, something to go to. No, They've got it. Of course,

there were in like, shias for, for, but this time we were not there's no way

there's been dismalified completely in the place. So, not only is that if

they're like, it's like the echo of a sound, because really there

really no there was that that's that's okay. Okay. That's

really, it's a lot, it's a story that I have a related

with sonnation we're going to to put her the name of this chica also to

keep a but Andrea says that when I'm in his 20s and was in

the faculty and I was close I was going to go to about a middle

of the faculty of those studies and he said a one day

for lokas a group of people of we're we're we're we're

a there's a house abandoned because it was a house of a

two months of that not assistia and one of the chas that was there's a

question, the quarters are in the house for us because it's the she's not

present the daynest and weh let meh weh so this this chava no

he doesn't but he well I'm going to go and I don't go I'm

that a month before there were various situations that had occurred in

the life, for those which no he had under a

situation to have a his wife. And is that his father for situations

of his job had to do a mother to do a place to

a little a little but of a little a little

more more more because it gets a new she's a

little a little And she said, I felt it not like if not were to be a house,

I'm like if it's like if was invading the house of someone. And occur in the

nights, they're going to be sounds in the house. Of a repent like crugid

or the way, but at final he says, well, no,

are the noise of the house. I don't know this place,

and he had occurred because he that he'd know that in places

new, his eyes and his mind not was used to the music of the

new so it was a reaction of a alerta that's so I

know but they're they're not that's that's not

more the sound so it is something that there

someone in the house but no there no I'm

I'm not I feel I feel incoomoda. They're

going to the days and of a very strong the exopesthesia. The escopesthesia. And he

starts in your room when is there in the computer that that's looking and there no there. And it's a

person very very tranquil and so, I'm still doing ideas and I've been very tense, I'm in

a time of examines. There are many explanations for sent me so. So,

yeah, no I don't let do when not he said a cause or

when verbalized what I thought to make sound about a portas in a little bit of

a bit of a bit of that's that I'm a little and I put it put it to

get to but at the final really really not there was a

really was this the situation is this the day that's the day that they're

going to get the week they're all in the house

not the rentera the quarters were vacuos, they were

some pizzas and they've a lot of botan and said the rest of the is for

us. The chicas after the other's a lot of and says it's moment put the

wija and as she like she was the people who he

loved to tell stories to talk about a little around

and he says to do it and this chava for

that not you are in the court but but she aparted of them, inventing

that's mandating messages for the cellar. But, she really, I don't want to participate in that because I don't want suggestionary for

the things that were going to the house. Point important. As she is someone very tranquil and with a

equilibrated, I don't let me talk about this to nobody never. It was a transition for that I'm mortifying

to my family or I'm going to tell the people She said, Digginsle to the Uiha that I'm

going to go thinking that he's talking like the telephone as a other people the time

the wife's well, no, he says, well, no quitted this message. my amiss

when they were that I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm keep there so there

there's there's there's there in the story of in the tell me

I'm a story that's a about me my ballita because during a

time they were they were going to they're going going to the

family my my primo is a person that is a communication

communication Okay Here in the city Merida And obviously And in this world

was he was He was he was in the locutor of the section of terror of a certain

emissory of radio that was like the kind of but here in Merida that's

dedicated to talk stories and that type of of success the that's

one of the many of this muchach he found a table whizha and a

night that were all of our friends, they said, ah, well, we're going to go to your house, we're going to go to the night, and all they said, ah, it's all right, they're

in accord, no? They're in a accord, but then they say, is that there's a good, and we'll have a game. My primo provere in a family religious, no? So, that's, in fact, when

you're saying that, every year, of the house of their parents, they're in the car, and they put in there like a little altar, and get a a saint, and go, see, people to to hear the

misa. Even, obviously, all they're like, as they're in the men,

are in the family, personally, well, very, very devoto. Obviously, my primos

so much my friend, because he said, we've got to put a pizza, we're going to, we're going to

go to come, so, for this, that's specific. My friend, obviously, that's a lot

to do this things, and she said, three years after that that they've played, the

man who had invited to play to docketor of radio of this section and he's to present

set of the mal-stairs. I'm with palentura, with a heart of the world of the

and so he went prolonging the malstaries that he had to he had to the road.

And then he needed to to help to help to help to make, to do to do

do things because he no, he no he was he no was the And for what I have understood, was the only person

the one of the one of the other person to do that was the other, other, well, other person affected by the and yet, in time, those, obviously, they've changed to this locutor for other. And, well, it's like,

what I told my boyfriend, but the other always said, that, you know, if they need to go out to play, you know, you know, you know, you know, and, like, to tell this story. And I, you know, I'd have asked, like, my primed by curiosity,

but really, like, he said, no, no, no, so it's so I said, and no, he's all right, and no, but this story really me that's called, my abhorito, and the father of my trim, that, like, he, like, he wrote to the hand to, like, to enter up to those things, well, just he commented,

because, also, because, also, I've been, who had, I've played the tableer, and had terminated, and had terminated, so that's why, so that's, so, for that, so, for this is,

apart, that was a lot of really, so if they were all, if they're to play so evital to do evital to

all the how from okay from from your because

you're revisited the conclusions that's you've done you've

done you really what is what is what is what is I'm

investigated to this thing and there there always

there so if you you're to you're to do you

To start, like, there's, there's, number one, no, no, no one, no one, never you know to play a little your solito. And number three,

try to start in a place, well, with the and all this, no, not to get in the

perlum of the night. Because, because it is supposed that when you're going to get to

with the when you start, I know, for example, if you're that's, if you're

too, the entity with the with the you going to contact can

be used to be the emotions that's you're doing that you're

doing your fear of your no so there there this this

this, this is kind of now so the emotions with the game

and then it's like what is I've heard that that's

kind of not being playing this type of of games

macabrous if we can't say in one or another form, like in Campos Santos, because I remember that the other my brother had commented, that if I wanted that if I wanted to

have to be in a pantheon and then start the wigga and put it to play, because, actually, they when they were in a wife

or my abuela of part of my family materna, what I'm talking right is of part of my paterna, no? Of course

my family materna, I mean, when they were in a house, I don't remember that about where, but they were a becina. And this is there, a little, a tart, and they took a table. And I said, ah, well, I've been using,

no-so if you want, and my abhorita was he got him to her. And he was in a trichador that was in the casino. Obviously, in that time, my mom was a chick, and, well, my kids, too. So, so it was so curious about that table. was that table in the trinchador. And what they did is that when

they were my aboenitos, they were in the cell, they subed, and they went to be in the circle, you know, and they were sitting in a circle and they put up to questions.

Of all the days that they've got, the last time, they've asked about their mis-a-boel. And the tablero they started

to respond and with data very specific. They're obviously they were they're, they're they were taken in the end for the responses that they were

taking, and decided to leave it, and as to no, they were not to talk about the time after, they asked my abuel, about these responses. And my mother said, yes, if it was certain, or who, who, who had commented, this type of thing, and so, they had left the time. The next generation, that was,

so, so, of my brothers, my brothers are much more great, people, and all are all together, all are kids, They have their children, and they're independent. They're just going to comment that, also in the house of the bula, they're going to play,

well, the wika, but never, like, they've never, like, if they were playing the lottery, or so never, never, they're never, they're not,

they're never, but what I, my brother is that in the house of the little, in her own the room, and I was, and I could go,

and don't know very, I'd be very, very, and always, like she was out of the meditation. And then, then I went to this house, also my mother,

me comment that she has been, you know, we can't say, to do you, to have a seat on the mat. Because there's a glass of the water, then when she's not so that's a little bit of a little vass of something. But I said that in various occasions

it has passed, that I've been like something in the chair, so as if there were a sombre a black, sent that he's a view fictively. And that's what's what

me have passed but like I try not in that what I'm doing that

I'm gonna and I'm doing this sort of I'm doing that you're seeing that you're

and you know, I'm going to this situation, then I'm never got to the

thing, because I don't have the kind of I'm like that I'm gonna

have been I'm gonna do you have a part of two stories related with this that's

one of the first stories that I'm the first time the podcast, but

me pego because I know a person very very self that's incredible

I'm saying I'm saying my name is my name is none but there a story that my

old my abuela and and it is related with this and it's a person

incredula me says when me he told me my old I was that I

know she was a doubt that she she's exactly what she's exactly what she's

had a character a character a character a character was a was a person of arms

to make and one day the husband I think he was a

he was a a he was his his time and he

he got very very time and I think that the

story because no I don't do so when he's

the he says here is here he's I'm I'm for your

husband. And then she said, no, let's get to get it. You, not more

you're to get a parranda. Dehal it in a pass. So the sir, he said,

hey, let me for that. I mean for he's got to get to do and so, he's chasas

and maldicing and he's and he's day the sir fallece. Yeah, they were people

people grand. She, in the night, is at a cost of the camera, just at

the same to the same, not because to make a water, but because in the tars,

I think that I had a little bit, but I had years with a chair

on the chair, and then when I had a sunbra there, and he

does a mind, he does he's the front, and then, he's, where it

has been the arm of the cooey, and he's is he's apreting, and she's to fixia.

No, it was a paralysis of the son. The she was a

not at a bit of the but he were in that he not he was a total of

a manotazos to get to the spiel to and he can't move to the

day the day next in the morning they know that that's

the situation is that says, I think he's he's he's

not that he's he went to be and this This lady also

also after she was a last she was and when she went to the night he was a

problem gastrico he was uncomod of the stomach and she went to siter

but at his his husband that's there's rare because it's rather because

he's not a important he's a question and he the noca of

the back where he is he's Acosted at the side of her.

And then the woman and then then then he and then there's

there and he he's I'm going to see there's so

first those two stories that that family with

a lot of the camera but there other more

that they me that this this story me

that this about for an another Let's say, Sandra, when Cumber 40 years,

she had decided, and she said to her that she didn't be able to be able to find women, yeah, he had encountered

that she could be happy being alone, and that simply that if I knew people, women, were simply

for amistat and to know people interesting. Sandra had yet certain activities that

had seen soled, but they'd feel super a good. It was like. They'd

do this to get some time for one of the last that's the most and they were like a little time doing it is that. I was that's a very ancient of his city, but like brynid. And it was like very, many,

very antigues, the before the years of the 60. And then he was

sitting there a book, I'd a little and I'm a little this coffee, she's

sitting, you know, looking the table of the side of the time,

the sun changes to get to position and he's to be to make

to make to the other cell not not because

there's a part of the coffee that the is covering.

So, So, move the other Silla, and he Sienta. Passan around to the

15 minutes when they when he a man he gets with her and he's a person

that has a kind of a very contiguous and a very very tranquil and a age

similar to that of she he says I can I'm I'm I'm

yeah, it's all yeah it's all he's he's he's he was

like well to know What's what's what's the person? Simply is in the chair that

she's she's getting the sun direct and he's no important. They're going to have a talk of the

more normal. Oh, and then I'm a call to you to do you to do you to tell a thing,

well I'm to do this and I'm and I think maybe he maybe he maybe he can't

start a normal but she she came very well this person of those people that

people that people that is profound there's a click that you say, that's a men, that's good. After of 40 minutes,

she's time sufficient, as much the practice, has dedicated yeah much time to do that, and he said,

oh, yeah, excuse me, if then you come to these days, here we're going, but yeah I'm going to

get. And he's like, that's all right, and he's going to go to the endro to pay

his account, and he the the car he's being kind of kind of kind of

rara. No it was the same the rest of the rest of it was a kind of a

little bit extrana. She's not a much attention. He said like, oh, yeah,

I'm going to pay the money, and when I got the he said, he's not kind of

kind of kind of kind of and it's and then he said the of the

car, oh yeah, I'm sure, I'm not you're maybe what's the

better, I'm don't know, I'm don't know I'm not you And he says, you, you know, you know,

I'm going to be in a rata. No, me will be a little bit. And he says, I'm going to be, he's like 40 minutes talking solo out there. So, no, we know if it was about

or we had to a, a little because it was very rare, but we don't want to to go to interrupal. Because no, it's been

yeah, intranquilla. And she well, well, is that maybe from no, but it's

is that I'm coming to that that sir. And she signala and he said, what's sir?

And he's the he's the he's there he's still in the bank and he said she's

that's maybe she has to get to get to someone. The chab a shorro

because he's he's he's that's my my mother I'm

I'm going I'm doing I'm there I'm and the

person and he's so I don't I'm really really

really really really really really no, this is schizophrenia. With much careful and with

much fear, she's going to go to your house. But, aterrata, of that were, like,

not know, like, know, he's actually, he's a house, the door, but at the

moment in the that's going to start to start, be the man, he's

in the front, and it's being a man and it's very amener, but you

obviously in other context, right? He's fear. When When shearra the

door, she does know that her mother is a house, she had a lot of she had a

mother, she said, Sandra, I'm here back, I'm doing this dinner, you want to

you're doing you know, and he said, yes, I'm going to talk to you,

then says, yeah, he said, she, what's all to the time, he said,

I'm very pretty she's, no, look, no, you know, no,

you're a lapsus. Mayna, I have a friend of a psychiatrist, I'll take, no you don't you don't be

no way, you're sure. No, it's no, you're talking the door of the entry. And she

will be, and is the man that out of the guy, the he's got to and the her brother

he says, oh yeah, why not you're not you know, you're, and then he says,

you can't you can't listen you, and he says, so, then says,

look, look, open, the door and is the sir there and he's

saying he's and he really he doesn't he says he's the herman of the

cousin and he says he's the he's the no there there there so there

so there and then she says okay I think it is an hallucination she's

the door and the he said the he was I was I'm doing but

never went to the but Sandra says no never me I felt

am a But, but it was the more rare that that I've lived in my life. And no,

not it's so bad. Ui. What did the story? Me, he was going to do you?

What do you think is? I was I thought that could be a person who knew,

or a who had to be a person, but is that if he knows the sir,

and apart the seat to his house? Yes. yes, yes, coincide.

Although the presence to me says, the not to be asechated, amazated,

not be a mald that reflect who knows that is, but, but no me does the

impression like, malo, malo, no. Although I can be being quite

to be quite, to be to know to be to be that may be able

to be that's that's that if never enter the house if never entered the

house you know I'm not this entity in general that's the world no I'm

that's how that's spiritual for put put a name

like you know like I've heard I've heard of so I'm

not so not occur in things not exactly and in various

there there one that I'm one I'm the more to

detail. A a party is a hotel. The hotel is very

comod, very beautiful, super luchos but when they're in the

room, the room not is a little very rare like like

if it was like so, so, then the man of this

person he has some many things in relation to questions

of things to transformers and things that for him they'd

give him there's a really a little bit a lot of a mechanism and then there's umbid

no, there no, there changes, no, no, there's um, there's a pillorexion,

no, he's doing a shorro of static in the rop, there's a lot of

things that he'll get to he's a no, no, no, no, no, I think

it's a question like, like, maybe we end up more susceptible, and you

they're going to do they is to the that's the that's the she has in paralysis

of the she has been because she has that no she can move. But

he's to hear how they open the door in the room. And in

that instant if you can move not a thing the head and

he and he's a door and it's like

a a sombra but a a that I didn't say sombrero because this

not was a sombrero. It was more like a grotto ritual grandote. If you have seen

something of this group American that has been like a big of the case. I don't

say the video, but all we understand of what I know. Well, this group with

this pic something, but in a sombr. And, he said, no, or so,

no, it was a thing was a sombris a three-dimensional, but a somber,

enter and and of a rependee to be a part of the end of the side of the side of the

side of the head and me says with a voice with the voice more horrible that I've heard of my

life say me goodnows and yeah she said she said she she got like

and with her she's a piece to be to be to the person

to be the person I'm I'm going to but the mind it's me serr the

garganta and I'm I started and he got and he said, what happened? The door still was

open, but no there was there any no time. So, she said that something she said, that's,

because that he passed about 30 years, said, something he said, no,

do you do do you, do you do do you, no, do you know, do you do that.

And that thing was he was saying, that was so, then of a

a a moment I feel like there's like the three things that's the way of

that's the way of the things like you know, the three goals? What's the three

gulfes? It's about four days five days that we're going to the first part I mean just about

this time of the things of the publicion and the position. For that that's

could be a manifestation or for that this entity can get to be

in the house, they're ways that you do you give access, let's give permission. There's a

other people, there's people, no, there's people, there's that's, it's, it's, it's

all, there's, there's, not, there's, there's, there's, they say,

no, angels, or car angels, let's I need to pass, and I'm

to put my person, for that that kind of of that kind of that kind of, that's a

invitation, really, they're they just agarrable to be, also to be able to enter to the house and get this way, no? Because they're

the premise of the person and, and all of the people, they're to get in the fact, what they want to be interaction with

the people, for that's generate a vincol and they can, you can't take more forces if

we want to put to this form, so so it's kind of to be being with those

entities that you know, that's that's from this that you comment, of the somberito,

that from an initial you know, that no, they're in a lot of and it's and it's, and it's

like it can't be, no, like this allure suffre, that's like aubbordid for the plagues

also, that's then the people get used to get like flax, and for more that

exterminators, there are there's, there's that even there sometimes that the other parts of

the house like they start, like they're like if they have put the paper and put the

paper and the humor, it's So, it's impregnated in the And what you said Those three Gulles, really at the 3

of the morning, at the 3 of the time, is the hour in the time that that is the time that Jesus is the time.

So what they do you say, like a burl, like you say, it's a real of the saint'sima

prayer, not the the Father, and the Spirit Santo, no? Uh-huh.

And, so it's like, so, is part of the dogma of Christian, uh,

like a burl, to Jesus that's like the cross. So it's like

what I have investigated. For that the three of the morning, the three, three,

that's for part of the same, but is the way, but is a a pesidio.

Never you've ever got to get to be three 30 or 33 or three of

the morning? Yes, yeah, I've passed. I'm past the moment.

I'm doing, and just that right I'm I'm, I'm up at 3.20, 3.23 or 3.32, 3.31. And I go, I don't have a good spirit of up to get up to that hour, not? Because it's, like, it's curious.

Because I can't, I can't, I can't, to be able to level at the 2, to, at 4. But, I always me, I'm going to be the 3-lap of 2 to 3 in the morning. Okay. Okay. And you, you're going to, or is like if, of a of a like you get a I'm a

I'm a I'm a like a like a way of the way of the way

so you're a okay to go to okay to go back to get to and then it's a

bit of my and then I'm I'm there's three in the morning and with the sabbado

desvilled yeah that's that's that's what is what is what is

you're that this is practically in all the world independently of the a word

why we're we're we're we're not we're we're not because we're

we're not we're not we're not an way option to do that to what you adjudices

that's that you're I think that maybe because the saan is powerful and

and in a camp lecromatromatical and for that's the entities diabolical

this pass I feel like, I mean, I feel like, I mean, I'm, I feel like, I'm going to be nothing. And the sabbara is something that's a little that's a little, no, that you can't enroskartes, and no, there's, like, for a little bit, for, no, so, that someone, for example, will yeah, want to, and I'm going to want, so, I'm going to make a sudden, so, I mean, for no, so, for no, and, like,

for evasion. For evasion. No, that's, no? That's, so you'll be able to hear something, so tapas, you, you'llteas, you know, and disminuels, the I think that, no, that's that he's a lot of produce. I'm going to

tell a something that I'm going to a little back to go to go to do you know,

I remember if I'm I remember if his house in a Michoacan. Because he went, he said,

oh, yeah, all the people who are all the person who say in this house, except my family, So, in good I recommend

that I'm doing because I never have ever been passed nothing. They said, never have done a

but all of the people who are they get to be a lot. And she's me is saying that's

to put them a bit more than a drama and I'm a rome and I know a person

or more in this time now I not just but I'm brahmas and it's I'm

like if me you I was I'm going to the situation that's a surprise me is

that there was there was a group of a person that were a terrain very ample that was a lot of

not I can't say that is like a hotel because not it was but they're a quarter for a

housepedes out of the house in that in this quarter they were in a

group of six people when we when we we were they were they were

they were they're they're they're all the days a lot of

things from the door, they said their names in the old, a chaba

they'd make some in the car they'd and they were there they'd like they

were and they and they they'd and the people they're not,

nobody that's doing that no, no, no, we're we're

not even we're having been even put a line one made

a way and the quates also because they're those

to them. So, women and women, say, this is a way, this a case

like this is a way, this is a problem. I never I'm really.

And I'm really to get to do you and I'm putting to those problems, I'm not a lot of

that's a lot of the people that were in the problem. So, I don't know. something. One day, these chavos,

they're a lot of alcohol, they're going to get a party, they're like, all those who are the house,

we're going to but it's not my want to have been days, many recorried, and that day in special,

I'd like, I'd want to get to make to morning, and the day next we're going to

go to a park national, or something. Well, to do the story long,

me met to the quarter, me, I'm I'm acuces. Apago the luses and I'm justo a passage. It was a

long, to extreme to extreme, that get from the extreme, that's saying, and they'd get to the extreme, that was to the kitchen, that was another of the house. Well,

I, well, I'm to listen to where they're in a extreme, enter to the and then they're in the kitchen,

pass on the side of my court and get another back from where they've entered originally. And I

did, But, well, it's be the papa that's the person are the person's outside, I'm in the quarter,

there's been in some of the passos that practically recorri to the house. Let's say, to give a

example, an extreme, was an entry that was a quarter that was the other extreme

was a one of a kitchen, that had a solution. I suppose that was a problem,

I'm a little to the camera, I'll be the door, and when I'm the part of

the exactly front of the door, no there's nothing. So, no pass nothing in front

the door, but the those passes they're not too. So, I'm

so I'm to do so to get to get to then I see that I'm extrae.

Then it is a pair of ways or a pair of the two people,

when it's when it starts on the kitchen where someone with the

person to get a little a little a sound

a very the kitchen, that retumbed in all the house. I knew where it was that that that's not

not so it was going to give to any one of the doones. So, so it's me, it's

a strange, but what it's more rare is that not two steps, yeah were three,

then three, and then they were like people on the passillo of one of the and I

was going and I'm there. So, there's there's me entrom and I

said, what is this, what is what is what is what is what is what

chingado occurs in this house, and what is that that I know

that's there's there's that's really really so I'm a super religious

I'm a cross that I'm really really that really that's not because he's a

little I'm a little I'm so I'm to make to get a

so I'm I'm my mind not with my book because this is a part

that is the that that's the more I'm going to I'm going to instantly.

So, I'm a lot of the idea. Because at the same time that one voice a voice-in-my head said, the

other said, because it did it was to when I started when I'm how you're saying? And the

part in the part in the that was for me, I know, I can't, I'm, mentally,

not with my lips, my labos, my lapos, my lapos, I'm, all the the rues

regress, the passos enter in the room, it's where

something around the thing, I'm a lot of the sabbaugh I'm

not quite I'm a lot of and I feel where there's there there's

there's there there I'm in the that's you know that's

a little my limit so I and I did

I'm I I'm I'm the colch and I didn't

I'm I'm I'm nothing, it's sound in the other, I'm going to

me be made my way, I'm going to do you, I'm going going to, but I'm going to

not going and I'm really enoched because what what's what you're going to get to

and why? I'm going to get a a little I'm just a little and where I

dole a chorro and I'm my stony my crows to the car, me meto,

I'm put my tony, yeah no there a ruse and I I'm out of the patio where are the

people who are you know what I'm okay fredas whew! And in that I know where all

they're knocked on the piece super ebrious and one chava was like grittando

with another and when they said wichel the the middle they were not even

my friend not even my friend me didn't what you know what's you're that's

about but for your car you're you Who, Well, Ellie,

this story I told her I said, I said, contact my friend, I said, I'm saying,

and I'm yeah, that you're not you're and I said, it's a not a one of the

person, a lot of you, to say, because I know, so that's so I

so I'm so. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Really, really, that's

that's a thing, it's yeah, I'm I think, I've like, like,

when they're going to when they start, it's like when all it's like all the

thing, and it's a burrota so, feo, and now the question is, why

it's, exactly. For what the reason? The reason, I said, fickate that I

had orations that are strange. This, or not not for what I said, but because

my credency is this. The restos and the words, a part they'll

have a power verbal but not I think I think that's that's things

internal and they do you make you connectes with a but but if

you not you not so you're not so you can be a part

lottoe not you don't connecting with nothing there's there's

notas there's there there's a part it's a lecture but there's a

moving emotions is moving energy, is moving a level like, let me know what spiritual, but it's very difficult to define what is spiritual.

And that's so it's so that is that I'm that way, so I've been, and I've many experiences that are not

some paranormal, terrorificas, in the in the oration, really you're really you're really different to hundreds of

millions in those that you were with absolutely nothing. And so they were

things that were about but not things terrorificas example a person

that was very moved emotionally that was in a depression very profound just

just and talking it and it changed and it was a something

that was that he was that not that no

any a sometimes therapies and a sometimes family

that that that not but to talk it

being in that something and it was not

the type of the toke, so, because the to be a top of the talk of the person to be

you're in your own, you're in the sensibility, you know, even you know what? What,

who knows, it's a fact that is that is that's my doubt. So, in what you

is it is a connection, what does, that's that's that's that's

you've been the gregory has been, eggores, is like when the When it's time

of the court? Well, the gregory in the Buddhists are when we're going

that in an environment in an environment is materialize the emotions. The emotions are internal

but in some are in certain as are they're materiales. A sometimes

materials not tantigible a sometimes is something there also.

The tulpa and all that the tulpa is like an entity that is a

a person that is a real and with a person but it's a part internal. Well,

normally they're like a negative but what is the part positive? And there is

where I think in the oration that is for putting a number because really

there in many religions occur in phenomena very similar that is when you

when you when you get to with a gam of emotions I don't I want

I'm not let's Pongameless Nombard, desinteress, empathy, love,

relaxation, peace. In this gama, there's a part in the that you

connects and it is a need to and a need to and a person,

in the aggregor, the negative is external and transform the the entorn and then

then you think in the positive also and it also and it

is the meditations and the connections. Not always, and not for a single

occur. I mean, I mean, I think are other things that are you have to move. Juno with that, and then

more variables, and there a basis, and then we've a bit of a person, we did a time, so,

so I'm, a new- person, I don't know of the type of creient of that, when the

people, it's put to come to and say, never was with me. I'm most things

more things more more tranquill, that's is pure parafernalia, it's pure show.

Nunn't me so, then I'd do that but one one of a very little

we've seen a lot of a lot of and that's it was like we're just just he's thinking

much time. We're two people doing a oration and when we started to do that

the two, it was a little of the two that's just never ever to live and literally

we're we're at we're a middle to one of the one of and it's

and it's there a ball of a fire between the two and we started

to do the and the Rostro in a place that had been a frio tremendous. And so,

of a question, the two like something us make a thing that that's a thing I'm

to make it's like to synchronize and you know synchronized with that and that was disappeared

and she didn't know a lot or was a sensation of the of the frio

that's that was like that was a ball of a fire if it was a

ball of yellow and the two brinked us back with much me know it's a what was

who's who's over but I think you know that's it's so if you enteras

in something connect to the other connect it with the ambient and you hanged

and you don't me like no no no but so

okay so okay so yeah yeah yeah I

hear Ike I'm I know when my my

my my Papa, for example, is a person a credentist, more not cre fielment to the church, not what the

church is to say, you're going to say, but in various occasions, there's been in these

mass and he said a show for a parama of the people that then then he then gets to

convulsaned and they start to talk in languages that's like very common, not to

the civilizations Christian that words of the dialects. Yes, yes, yes. Linguas Mewas So my papa

always always was strange and it was very that the people would try to figure and

so desmallia so in an occasion my dad had gone to one of these these

of the sanace where the people start and the people start and the person

so my he said that he tooko what he came saying like the base where the

spirit Santa so he and he makes that that I feel a little vibration, and from there I don't I don't know of anything.

So, I remember that when he was a group of people around him, and he was asking that if he was being asked him, that if he was very much, and he asked me what he had passed. And the people found that my papa has been to smile, it's common. And I mean, it's a little bit of wonder,

because my father is a person that pretty much of the real thing. So I think that God, that there's a lot. More Yeah. But, but, uh,

he's like always question about this part of, because the people see, they're at

and they're to do, and he took, that's that experience. And it's like,

because, I mean, it's, what's, that's, that the people that's,

that's, it's, and, for theorizing, and, by theorizing, without, without

no, without, like, but simply simply to be how explain the

two vertient probably there are much more probably there's many people

the emotions positive or that are people they're to make all that that's

not for being a material simply because they're just they're

a point and the point is that they're that they're that

so that is a amount and to not not all not

all because see the thing the thing that

you but you you you that and it's like emotive or,

I see, spiritual, something. And when he'll the person for putting a woman,

the person is affected. But it's different to the gregor because your papa with what

emotions ended up that how it was that he was a feeling

yeah I was kind of kind of kind of confused I don't know he was

not aterr so no no was nothing of

fear. So, I feel that in this phenomenon, enter in this gam of emotions. Other option is that, that's, that's, or some of those, or inclusive, the custodia, with the hostia and the orations, are connecting with a force that

goes more than they're making like a line direct, and some who can synchronize there, see affected for that. But it's like if congregar as a lot of persons with much radios and, of a sudden, those coincide, and many, no. And, between those,

some have some they're like they're doing, but could you

do that you're not a kind of a other all they're doing to

what the people into that's could be yeah. I'm

actually, I've been talking about this type of situations of the public

but there's that's that's that's that's that you're so of

and just what you do you is that is so that what you

this what was what what in the India there's a summer, there was a strata like an elephant

and it's supposed that the elephant took, well, he took a, he took a, he had a, but that had

an expectation physical, no? I mean, there's a phenomenon physical, but, but,

so much people started to do the same, and I started to do the elephant, the same with the

with the virgins, and the virgins, that are that they're that's supposed that you're that in different

zones so it She started to present this same phenomenon of that the women started to start.

So there's where it's an possible hallucination collective. Yes. So it's so, for

example, as the of the secret, the power of the manifestation and it's so that much people

are thinking in that is centered in that, that's that's a function? Yes?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's well, so, well,

that, what, that's, that, let's, I think, I think, I think,

we've we've seen with Jacobo Brinder, not to participate much in this time. I don't know

if you've heard of that I'm sure, I'm sure he he said, he said,

he said, he said, he said, so he you know, so the lattice kind of it's a

let me give, it's so that sometimes, that's what happens, the

certain fibs light that's that's maybe can be a little bit diabolical

if you you want to do you want to say I'm going to say it's the bio astral.

Well, it's that that that's so that and it's that's that's a lot of it's just it's so it's

so it's so I'm yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay,

there you go so, dentro of these phenomena, and as you like it was playing it could

be, could be, that the collective is generating a phenomenon in the while

is irumpient the reality because they're generating a reality alternative to

to create in something firm in all the one all the time at the time

and in a space that maybe the space no has been that's going to

be a new reality and it is a media tangible. Okay.

The situation here is is that is that is that is that is that

in an alucination collective not in the reality what is what is happening

is that is in our mind. And our perceptors of reality, our mind has the possibility

also to generate hallucinations positive and negative. One positive is, I see something that not is there. A negative, I don't know

to be something. So, in many people, it's when they say, oh, where I'm my lenses, the

three posts. And you've been looking those during a half hour. And it's an alusination negative.

Traen the light of the car in the hand. And they're all the house, and they're

those knives and the one's the one. That's a hallucination negative.

Something that is perceptuals that's there, you know there's, many

many phenomena that's that they're on people, and then they're

and I'm and I'm on the mess, also many many have the

explanation in an ability that because our mind because our

mind can make to make that's so, Jacobo Grimber, to that. And this

here, and this is to do you can't do you know that our mind is so powerful that can be able to

see that you don't perceive the thing. But, but that would be in an hallucination that's, that not in

the reality. But what he's a Jacobo is that no, really the reality you're

you're trying and is changing. And there various situations that I know chikitas

subtiles that have occurred to various people that are situations very raras. During a time,

I was in the business of security in a serrageria but we clavours much in the security of the casas because it was in

a time that there was a lot of a house, and in locales commerciales. And there

some cases that were very very important. No, they robbable things, but the

people had serradures very hermetic, very oiled the door with force, cerraband the doors

well, and when they'd they'd they'd and then they'd that the

door was totally totally cerrada. When they were to the house, the door

was totally was totally shuted. But, but it was totally open. It was

a rob. And they were cameras that had security. Never nobody moved

nothing of the serradura. And the The serradura functioned perfectly well.

And these cases occurred in many times but what always said, I came to my house

thinking, like, I'm not going to make this serratura and they were to do the car

and I'm going to get to do and I'm doing to do that that way, and in those cases it was a

way. It was very rare because not it was something that you

never, when this not so the serraturals had a problem or the

cerrard but you said all this in perfect order, of this is it because it

you're in your sure you're when no had been to bring to make a thing that's

and they're moving and it but when you remember that was closed and it was closed a reality

or it can be that also we can't we can't we're how it how is

so? If you have heard an experiment of the rendiica yeah Sure.

The double rendija. Yes, where in an room in a space controlled by a rendija

and a according I turn to some it's a particles the particles the

so the how it's the called the particles for the end the end of

the end of the end of the but when there there's not a person observing

or in the room the pattern change the partucal the particles pass

for where not they're to pass. So, no, I don't know,

I think that maybe it's something so you know, you know, no,

no see, is that really, it's a question of, yeah,

not a perception, so of what you thinks that's, exactly, if,

if could be, if you think, if you, you think, if you ,

you think, like those, I, uh, no, the water maybe, you guys,

no, the water, and, and, I don't I don't know I'm like, it's like those

things that that are a bit of because how you can't you know, that something that's going to

be going to yeah, yeah, so I'm there's there's quite. There are many that

they're going to end up for phenomena that happen but there but there no have no

explanation and there is where it is where it is where it is where it could be

there are there there are there there are so maybe

if there is that and that the reality, as well we've transformed in a type of

prison in the we've established things so that we're that we're

not we're but I like what you say is, creer that the water no

moja I think is a phenomenon like the of the other so it's

not just not just just say it's something is a thing more that

it's alline and then the things can occur but

What is exactly that? Who knows? And, and there's many people that arejudicant that you're really not, right?

So, but what, loco, very good, good, good theories, difficult? What are you?

What are you? Well, is that are many things, because after some years, I've been

to be about this type of things. Uh-huh. For example, there's another experiment where

in a a room controlled in a piece of sensors they're a little

and they're a little and they're put them a little bit of the same object, never will

be to talk in the same place. So, never will get in the place. Okay.

For much controlled that's the environment, so it's like, it's kind of that kind of

situation is because why the object would be in a place? Okay. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Well, figgate that there there was a discussion during much time, decades. Yeah is time of

the quarter, right? No. I'll say like three minutes. Ah, super, we're going to to use it. Between

Albert Einstein and I don't I remember who is the father of the physical quaintica, this is

a bit so you know. Well, that the discussion was about the questions of the physics

quantica that you talk about this question a arosa or that the

observer also that determine the result and Albert Einstein that's that he was about of the

determinism that even he said he said is that you have got factors when you're all

the object is going to get in the same several times but as we're not we

don't have all the determinism versus physical quantica and Santola

this divulgator Scientific Javier Santola yeah is Javier Santory

yeah well if you know you know about Santola No. Okay.

There's a Spanish that I think is Javier Santola. He's a peyed to Santolaya. Ace, I remember the name and no of the name of the and it's all the reverse. As if it's in the mind of a yearito. But he is a divulgator about the physics. He was he was working in the Collisionator Diadrones

in the Vida Real. So, it's a quater. He's a quaterer super preparedissimo. And he platica that the winners of the Premium of this year, what they did you want to get to a conclusion

of the shock of these two creencers and they're that the quantum of the quantum there's

there's many things that not can't determine even with all the factors

to the particular to mention you the physics quantica the relativity

the relativity gets to the I think of the atoms I'm more

I remember I'm know I'm a point they're the atoms

when the molecules are the particles subatomical so and there

between the particles subatomical you know that's really is improbable to calculate something

that's something you can you can't calculate not you can determine so if yeah

so you go ahead you're going to say no no no continue to continue well

well in this in these in the phenomena that in the question

of the question of the question of the question of the number exactly

but is the one one particular stay in two places at the same

time. Yes. We've done. There's actually, there's a experiment of Jacob

that just that's like those chuponcos that you put in the head. So,

so that monitoria the activity cerebral and all and that those people

to get to in a detail are in a lot of a person who

maybe a mother, with a a mother and they're in

different situations, no, of this one one another one of

a The case of one of these persons they're in a lamparita and in their activity cerebral

it's a type of the lamparita of the light that was perceived and in the

other room the person in the person in the activity cerebral so not

that not is that the physical within the physical the light so it's like

those things that I'm I'm have passed I'm that I'm have happened

one tell me. So, it's that, is that, it was that in your time to me, it was really

that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm so I'm really, really, they're

a person in a person in which I have much a lot of because he lived in other state and

and always like they're in kind of, ohla, and it's a, two families are one, and yet had to come to

come to here, and we put to generate a scenario of potentical, where we we'd have metham, and convivarombs all the night. And, and it was my thinking of various nights that I costed with Stydide in mind, that one of the one, I saw, I, like, I was, I, I was, I was, I was, I was

that I was thinking, oh, what interesting, and I still had left, and some days after, and we made, and we said, and he said, I was, that's, I was, that I, I said, we went to a Fiesta and I I made like

like a Fiesta and I said me like we're like we're in a type of asient

and we had we had we have to go to a starrie and there we had

like a carp and there were in the carp and I had a part of

a piece of a dance and certain characteristics very specific and I

I put to see memory and I came to like all this that I

also that I also and I started to ask I said, oh, how they were in the mess or how was all this, no? And he said,

and I said, I'm going to believe. And he said, no, you're going to believe. But just the way you're saying, is what I thought is what I was the way that I thought. So, it was like, no see, how farthest pensions with other person or ideas, you know? Yes, yeah, I've been this psychologist Carl Jung, that was about a inconsciente collective,

to the could have access and like it was a reality that was a not quite, it's not un-comprovated

because he said a moment in the he said, he said, he's got a much a more

more like a more like, as a faith, that's a but he does this report about

the arcans and things that we have been in common. And there there was a story

that they came to a little to be a little more a little more more

a person Rarer in me to tell you This type So, right? So, a person

and he's a person, that's just the man of the sombrero, but no he,

not he has been paralysis of a room, and that is out of the room,

being it's a crystal, a a man a man with a somberer

and a gabardina. But the peculiarity is that was that was very,

very, like, tangible, something, like, not a He was heard a clear,

a silvido that sounded like, then I'm to hear of the put a pere chinted the suner was the

most aterrador. No, it was the man, it was the sylvido. Conforme were advancing

the days, the suno was always more recurrent. The day that was like something a bit of

a dream a terrible, is that the man was not over the room,

he was a second. And I heard in his ear, he, he he's

not of a problem as a reason of this? He's looking to go to house of

people, you know, he's like, you know, that's not to have more

that's a day, standing in a friend of a friend, a friend

is like me he's with a person, and the man, so, he's,

he, he, he'll be that's that son- because did that that silvido?

No, no, nothing more, he's no, because you did that sony and you

say he's that I've been having a a so I'm doing a so I'm

to start to be in their one, taking exactly the same the same with the

man of the sombre or the same exactly exactly the well

yeah yeah it's it's quite it's quite too

that's quite people connect in something that exactly Ellie

tell us now because we're to move to the end up your time. It's been incredible,

has been of the practices that's I've been really, I'm just you know, you know,

you know, you know, there's there's a thing, but what you want to do you

do this community, a story, reflection, or what that's well- so,

well, before you, before you thank you for invite to do a podcast. It's been

a practice a interesting because we're like diverse themes, that at the least have much to be, but we're going to bring us like to point in point, and it's something very good, because really, I think it's a lot of practice

a lot, but we're not, we'll discover new terms, that you can connect our dreams with other people, not always are good, but if, many, many, many questions are regenerated, not, with this that I said, about, like, the energies,

that's the cyrower in an object, and these, the orations, really if I'm thinking I'm thinking that's something

that's I'm going to continue to continue and learn to do to do you or not

but really really much thanks for this invitation I'm really I'm

really and I know this is my part favorite of the

day oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so and then

so so I know with one come one oh

Let's be, a bit, this, history, history is that is that

does it can't be a other thing, of those that you have

another? There was one that had like crossable in the but

more that story is a legend to me I

know I had heard in a in a in a

city in a video on a I don't know of him, but that that was that we're going to my family,

was with my brother, and my brother had invited to one of those friends, that is, that is in Venezuela. And we're

a, it's that's a carterterer, it's a right, and there's like a, like a, the,

blambre of puss, alabre of spina, and it's, like, malesa, tal qual, like,

the arbores, yel you're, you're saying that's a legend of Venezuela, of a

man of Chiflid. So, So, so we're talking about this type of legionage. And she has come up. This story is a legend of there in Venezuela, but originally, I don't know where it surge or some, well, some past of the obscure that had to have that person in life, no?

That's here vaguely vogue on the earth, in this plan, in this planet. But, well, it's really much attention, because it's like like all the nights this is your sir

shifland so in the night in the madugada pass the old old chifland recorriending

part of the campos like the people and all of so that's because when

the people hear that the people hear that this city you're going to get you're going

to get you're wow and the people and the people are of those legends that have

have been like force with the time but so it's like a legend there.

Okay that's like the little of the Yorona here in Mexico but the

the man of the man of the Minnesota yeah in the legend of

the year I was when it was that me got

my my abuel I there there there there

I'm there I'm to put something because he no

know no, I mean, my kids, and is that it depends when you

heard of the actually, the legend of the yorona is that just a lot of a rite,

a larid of the lament. But if you go to the 80, 70s,

or 60s, I said the people, because they'd hear a people, and they're

saying, oh, my kids, so it depends much in what you

know, it's how you know the legend, because the legends

of a certain are secret to voices is a telephone discomposed. 10 years after the

legend is totally different, it's different, the location and where it's where so it's transmitted in the stories.

If no there a script original that it's all that all that all that all all that all will

have their version of because it depends where it's where it's it. So,

well, I mean I'm I'm the people because I think

that they guard much of is like like it's like like that's so,

but they're much of the story of the place, and the why they're

specifically in that but there's there there's some really that

me me really that are the of the van shi that

are the she have seen some some those some

those some not of those are some of some of some

women that gritan and if you you you know,

I hear the gritty of a van shi and you know, you're not you

don't get you're going to be going to get a really the is a thing that

a silhouette totally black that's in the place. As in

Europe is of many places that they're they're they're

that are but at final it's a larido type a lament

and if you you get to listen you and the certain

and to some legends. So, so, maybe would be a variant of

a legend vanshi, the Yorona, that's there's there, there's many versions

of this woman, that's that's but it's incredible that in every state,

has a name of his woman, the name of his and the

name of the thing, so, so, that's it's kind of,

that's part, not see, the part in the description of that aspect

so repeat one and another again. So, well.

Ellie, I want to be saying that's been a good to be a good at the time.

As far as a bit of to do you get to make a lot of your efforts because it has been a bit of

this episode and it's great-y thank you thank much and for to say

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