HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - EP:045 La misteriosa Desaparición de Brian Shaffer con Juego de asesinos

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

EP:045 La misteriosa Desaparición de Brian Shaffer con Juego de asesinosEN colaboración con @juegodeasesinospodcast y a petición de la Familia Nocturna, hoy les presentamos el episodio ESPECIAL "HABLEMOS DE LO QUE SI EXISTE"En 2006 En COLUMBUS Ohio, un estudiante de medicina, que habia pasado una semana intensa de exámenes y estaba a punto de comprometerse.Decidió ir junto con un amigo a una noche de copas, entró a un Bar y jamás nadie supo más de El.Ni camaramas de seguridad, los guardias, la banda, los que estaban presentes esa noche, nadie logro verlo salir.Después de una investigación exahustiva por prte de la policia y la familia y algunos sucesos muy extraños que ocurrieron en esos momento, no queda más que decir que... estamos hablando deBRIAN SHAFFER LA DESAPARICIÓN MAS MISTERIOSA

Welcome to Family Nocturna to an episode more of, Let's do what no exist. The day of today, we have an episode very special because I'm here with Kiki and with Marta, my friends of the Juego of Assassinos,

because the day of today, we're going to talk to things that existen. Kiki and Marta, welcome to the studio, this transmission. How are?

Hello, thank you for invite us. What I'm here, Martita. Thank you for having accepted the invitation.

No, thanks to you. Yes. Hello, I'm here. How are you? I'm very thank you.

Thank you. How are you? Very well. Hey, this is going to put a good that you want to say

that's the first episode that we're going to do in this channel of something that not

that's paranormal 100% so like there will be there will be

there if they're to be a bit with this story that they're like they're like they're

even even but it's the first episode to let them let's the question, why is it is this episode

because the people are people who have many the family nocturna the family

nocturna is the audience of this podcast many we've many we can't

we can't we can't the question of mysterious and as serials and as you're

like you have talked and many I've I'm that I'm better

to start with you so welcome and thank

this podcast that will be very, very good. No, much more thanks for the invitation,

of the really. Oh, again, there's now. Now, what?

Now, I'm going to get on edge, like I'm like I'm like I. Oh, I know.

Yeah, normally I'd do you to make to feel in confidence,

and I'm but we're to make the attention from

the first that no pressure but no pressure. No pressure. No pressure.

No Precedo are the first. O'clock. O'ygan, Duda. This, how initiates a game of

assassins, how in this adventure that you've in the podcast? Ah, for a locura,

nothing more more explanation. So, so, so, so, yeah,

it's we got, we had to do a podcast because there many podcasts

in English, uh, we've been fanatical of true crime,

we're, we're to be with this. We've done documentaries,

we'll do you, we're not, we're not to bring it in the time in

the time in the time in the podcast still not were a boom like

so on now. So, um, we've we've maybe a maybe a

person to the people like, I'm to hear history of true

crime. So, um, a day we're we're so yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, how time have with this adventure

of a time of the other about the year three years

and a year and three years and a year yeah Martita one

a question of all the other the other what has

been for you the episode the most you

have impacted the um the vampire of Sacramento

that was one of the one of the one

one I know if was because the the

Ascino, to many people just just found them and they were, I'm,

I'm that's forso that I took you to gog a victim or, no

I know because, but it was the most horrible, the most impactant

the the that he no, no, no, he, so,

so, so, so, so, so, it's, to do you do you

do not, to do a minute, to do the And, Kiki, is that also has been the most you impacted?

Yes, is one of the most me impacted, because when I did the investigation about this case,

we're very we're doing, well, the thing is that this case has when we do we

research, regressando to this, we're we're we're general articles and things that

have in the news and all this, but we're we're we call

the we're that we can't have access to the record public. So the record public is much more because then you addentras exactly to the evidence

that's presented in the court. And with the evidence there are in photographs. And with the photographs are in the nightmares. So it's the case when it investigated, I did much time

to get it from five days without not dream well. Because me caused much impact, the photographs of the case. To this case, in what year was?

A of the Sacramento? It has, Decades of the 90s, 2000s. I think it was in the 90. Let me tell me more secure. Really, nothing more, it was like a question very in the air. But

right in what you say, no, 70s. In the 70s? Okay. And the jury was in that year also in those decades? Yes. Yeah.

Duda. In relation to your audience, what has been the episode that most he has been the

audience? Do you have been not? No, fiatte. Never, I've

put attention to, as, I'd say, that's, that is the problem now that we

have three hundred and many, many, so, so, So, a a

a other I don't revis what are the most have been

impact but usually as our audience is based

in Spain if we do we have more

more or if we do we are very

very very and that the people know they

they also they often to try a more

to but I think so the case is

very known. And at the final of the day, we're trying to try stories that not are so known to the light for that the

people go, like, seeing that there are other cases that also are very similar, but the people not know

of them. Okay, okay. What is my ultimate question before we need because today we're just our next

we're not we're prepared a case. But, but before to start with the case, I would

know, for each one, what has been like the most beautiful of this podcast, so I don't

say the satisfaction more great that had obtained for being this project.

Well, for me, it has been, thanks to the podcast. I've passed more

time with Kiki, he's we've, we're, we're we're we're

more amigas. a person that we are family but I like that

that's because really to do a park as to like the like

we're not not easy because we're we we're we're

we're we're more panoooic than so if we we're

going to get things good is that we we're more

time together and we we're more vigilant vigilant not

so how we when we we we're in our cellulars, if we're going to our coach in the night,

we're parked we're in a place where there more light, always we're in alert. So if we're going to say something to

this paranoia that we have now for to do the podcast, is that we look our our rededores, we're going to

who's at your side, we don't we're not we're not we don't we don't we so,

so really has bettered But because it's very difficult to tell these stories and know that there are persons in the world that only are trying to to damage to other people. So that is the most

Tristan of this podcast, but if it has a lot, that is it. Okay. Okay. Kiki, for you, what has been? Much of the time. Also, I think, um,

much the community that we've created little to with the time we've done that there's many people who have done that are much

for the true crime that they're because they're listening because they listen the

stories but they're interested in the things we have to say between the middle

of every because obviously for to have the attention we we're

we're we're we're we're we're we're what we we're

we're we're we're people that comes and it's identifiable

and it the podcast is a form not only of entertainment but that we're

we're trying to give our granite of the arena in what we're doing I think

one of the things most important also that has been

we recollectam now just a section to encounter

where we we we we're we we we're

doing a voice to people that are they need a voice that is to share the stories

for that not get in the old bit and we we're we're this community

that's very and we're we're we're a better relationship

and I and so so so many things good

has been on the podcast, in quite personally but I think

we're we're doing perhaps not a labor great but

a person that not we're going to because, I mean, we'll

like we're the, the, the, the questions of Kiki and Marta, where,

for you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, this type of things,

to be not to us, to have a community where we understand we're,

we're going to be panoical, we're going to do you, and then then there, then, then the

people, come and it's just and it's so it's so it's so it is a

person of the same and that we can share things and we're

thinking we don't know that we're not the idea of the fact I think the part of the part of

doing is important and I took me top with that a race of certain documentaries

that's on Netflix yeah could resolve some some and that you talk

about the impact that can get to get to get to this type of

people disappeared that now you're doing, I think eventually could be

that in some moment to give the information to someone to get the information and that would be an amazing.

So is that Kiki and Marta, thanks, thanks for being, thank you for the story that we

are going to see and that we're going to be that's a point out of you're going to. Oh, yeah,

I'm here back. Welcome to new, Martha. Hi! Yes. You're you.

You're going to And it was a rostro here grabed like if you're thinking

ohhara that you know, I'm going to know that you're not that you

know we're going so we know our your your absence your

your us affect Marta I'm so sorry I know what happened

so simply so it's so so I'm okay

okay yeah Kiki Mark so then I had

I that I've been the day of today have prepared a theme, or more we've prepared a temita

that's very interesting, of what is the we're going to talk to the family nocturn.

And I'm the title, it's right, but in all the way, but all we're

to be Brian Schaefer. Brian Schaefer. Brian Schaefer. Okay. The Brian Schaefer, to commenter

to the family nocturna a level personal was one of the most me impact

when I'm when I'm to see the true crime I'm super fan of the questions of true crime and when

I top I'm toped with this case two years ago was what what was what happened there

so the actually the case for me was going to be the first and it was

the of Brian Schaefer so I'm I'm I'm I'm

so I'm chas who who get to to

start for for for to let what what

was what Brian Shafar, a despite to be wapissim,

something something horrible he's a horrible, he was

the 25 of February of in Peacleton, Ohio. He

was the child of two, his parents, Randy and

René Schaefer and was the one an student responsible

but he was a not, not rar so, but she was

he was more more more a better than a

better than after after to graduate of the school secondary in 1997

assisted to the university of Seattle of Ohio where he commenced

his studies in the faculty of OSU in the 2004

so said so his mom was her role model to

do you to because the mom was a mother so Brian had this

love for he was he was he he he wanted he wanted so for that

decided to study medicine and studying medicine in 2006 he

he knows a novian she was she she also she was she

also so his mother was the study of the medicine

what the difficult is what that is and he said, well, as well, as the vacations of spring,

the spring break, he said, then I'll give us to give to those two some, a vacation, a Miami, for that they're

to beiarting and they're a good time, and, and, the family is very, they're not not confirmed

for nobody, they're, they're, they were to put up matrimonio to his novia in this

the voyage, but even only are rumors. Lamentably, the mother of Brian die

three months before that this year because she was leading with a cancer

very strange in the same. This was a problem very difficult

for the family. All were very very very were not. They were

going to she could be able to recover but not

was so that affected much to Brian because he amava his mother and he

all the family were very very sad for what had happened. But even as they decided they

like the mother had given to the time they were to be venerer their memory and

say okay we're going to go to these vacations because it was a little special that they

had of her okay so in the context is that two two months before what

he occurred to Brian is the decess of his mom yeah the way the way

the time the time so the mother he said you to give to give him he gave

months before he said you know you're a day you pay all your

family so you know under rumors ah they're going to get

to make he he was he was all was all was all

his mother had cancer and was with the battle, but they not

thought that he was to start so rapid so okay, okay,

and then the decessos and I think that that's he's it's a

so I mean, I mean, so it's for obiedad but if they were like it like

especially like a taciturn or a part of a time

so okay well for the Monday 3 of April to

they'd to take a one to take a

So Alexis, he's he's he's he went to get to the airport

and she still waiting for 30 minutes before

to know I was that was that he had

not he had so so you know to

take a time two hours before so yeah well

well said yeah well the she called her

family and his friends and he did I saw that

nobody had seen Brian from the Saturday the 1

April so here in the United we're we're a

April of what is the first of April that

we call a day of a how so

it's like the like the people the day of

the day of the the day of the people we

do we make we do so so so

so father for the apartment that was at six quadras

of bar where he was he had and

he said he was in order nothing was

not that was the car so he was

that he was where he he he had

he was he was he he was in

the place where not there signos that Brian,

um, he was there a night earlier, but even nothing was out of the common

then the father decided to call the policeia to get a report of person that disappeared.

And his brother, well, he's, he's, he was to he was seen the

last time more than recorriending the pass no, to be maybe he was at

a one side of the carreterer, maybe something he So, no I see.

But after his friends, not were their family, not was where he

was the only that is to be to look where was the last time to be

maybe he was he was he was you know? You know? You know? A,

where we saw, where we know, the last person that was back, so we're back,

the policeia, they started to check his passes to have a line of

time. to know what was what had passed. The 31 of March, a Wednesday, terminated the classes in the school for the vacations

of the freever. Schaefer and his father celebrated the occasion on the time to dinner in the night.

The father of Schaefer not he was that was a very bad humor for having passed all the

night at the beginning of the time studying for the examines that had taken.

So, So, of really, his sense of humor and his mood was like

a bit of his mother had been so it was not like he was mentally

well or emotionally well. After the dinner to the night,

Schafer was he was he was with William Clint Florence

in Ugly Tuna Saluna that is like a bar a

very type college is the the apartment where he is

have been has a barque, music to the night, music at all the young,

where all the young is, and then then, Brian, had been invited to him to come to

his bar, and his brother he said, you know, we've been in a show

of comedy all the night, I and my novia, no, I don't want to

to come to bar, but you, you, you, you, you,

so, right? So, So his brother he says, that all you

go to all the whole and he's a guy he's he's a man,

I've got to present the examines of the university, is a desveled that's

very very tired, decide to do a bar and this investigation is by

the brother that is the person, the brother and the brother and

both are trying to be, they're trying to do what was

what was what did the last night then then the

brother call and he said, well, a me he was

to be a bar, after that he was a he was he was a bar,

then I was he he was he he was he decided

to make, he after after she called Alexit his

novia who had had back to his to

go to to visit to his family before to

that they were to for the next the

But that information I don't know that's information he was in the bar for so no he was he went to

visit to his family uh his family so when he went he said he said

they said a little to say yeah yeah yeah you know not

not you don't not you know not you don't you don't you don't you

don't you go he goes to remember you remember because he's

he will he he quug and he he regress to divert yourself in the bar, no?

A that I imagine he he was so so he was so can't

and he to take some of he was he was he said you know you know

you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and he this

okay okay and this occurred a one the bar the bar

so and they they're they're they're they the lunnest okay

perfect perfect So Schaefer and Florence were in bar, visiting various other establishments of beverages. They were to Arina District. In each parada,

those two took a drink of liquor and a lot of beer or so, yeah, it would be a shot of tequila, whiskey, or what it is.

They were with a friend that was called Meredith, who was to go to a ugly tuna.

So they were in bar, bar, and funer and they're and they're

to be to be a other person to another person with you know? In some point

of the night they're they're because Meredith and they're

they're and Brian you know when you know when you're in the bar

they're they're not they're or it's, it's to take air, whatever

so. So, they're they're in the festival, and when the lights

are the light, they're all, they're all, they're, they're, they're,

they're, they're, okay, where's that, Brian? And, they're not

to be to be a back, they're to get to the bar, not they

they're, they're they're they're to go to his six minutes

of here, And you can't you can't live literally very short is part of the college

and surely he was he decided he said they were they called but no they said

and they not so he said they said he said he was he said he was

not something not was something was something it was like he

probably he's probably so so they're so they're

and they they're there and they were the things and they're going to

make us we'll make to mark up the phone and that us contested and yeah all right to know to know what

was what he did after that's that we're when they they're coming to call the no respond

the calls and all the day is missing in action nobody knows where nobody knows nobody knows

with who who was what was what was with what was what was the last year

and then so when not to get the while to get to take the

with her noviour the Monday on the morning, all all of

all they were very because they're not not a bad

the family was leading with the mother of the three

years and they were with the disappearance of

the the police began to look first first

they first they is the place because is the place

they're to to look at the area around of this bar. They had in this time much crime

in this area. But the bar had many many cameras outside, yeah that

the area not was that bad decided they were to install cameras

of security. So, so the officials decided we're, we're going to

revise the images, the videos to see we're

to look at When, when I'm a Schaefer, Lawrence, and Reed, subient some escalers

mechanical to the first of the bar at the 1.15 of the morning, more or

about, approximately. Schaefer was seen outside of the bar around at the

1. 55, and it's when he is when he move a a little where the

camera now no it. So, he's, they're around of the

1. 55. moving to be out of the camera in direction to the bar

apparently to go back to go to get to then it now it's so it not it

no it's not it oh you're you're the note because

this data I don't this data I don't know at what was around or for the general at

what are at the two of the morning terminate the alcohol. Uh-huh. And usually during one hour

more and are four of the morning. For the three and three and a four, yeah no, there's,

okay. So when they're to see, they're going to get to get to two hours from

the time to the same to be a coming and so, because for to enter to Tuna

is a celluna is a so so he he's to be, it's to be sub

the escalera, enter with the friends, he's like a lobby,

to the area to be a lot in circles. It's rare, only is

rather, it's a back, he'll give another like

a kind of and then then he's to be, and that is the

last time. So the police says, what rar is that this

kid is that this chico, he's when they check the camera

to to be going to how people are going to because the people are in different

olas. Yes. No, it will to be to get to but never see to

see a see that there's there's for what what you're for what they're

talking about in the escalers there's no? Two guards of the

commercial. I think are the guardies of the central commercial no

no don't no I don't think they're those those that

admit the Entrata. Those that are in the club, those who check an ID to enter and if there are plaitos,

they are those who keep those cliques. So, so they're not policies, but are, well, okay,

because when in the last time, he's, where he's, like, to go to get to

enter, they're, they're, they're going to get to form extraia, or that,

or that, or that they don't, or that, he, in some comportment that is a very rare or erratic

or no, is one more in the lot of the lot. Okay. In reality, so,

it's like, much people say, how is possible that you can't see a person, one,

like, like, is very attractive, mids, six feet and two two-cust,

per about to 200 and cacho of libras. So, is a person of stature that you,

well, you know, you know, so, like, how, it's, not would

be exact, so it's oversalen between the other, but they're not know what was what was there.

So, so, for that in the mind it's, the camera is up at the

entry of the bar and is upunting to the up of the stairs.

So, is, it's, the escalas suben, but not see,

not see the foot of the stairs, it's above of the escaleras.

So, So, see, when they're when they're in the escaleras mecanicas, those three

talking, talking, then they'll and in when they're and they're going to, it's when

the camera is when the piece of, it's the little, the scale, to the

end of the only only grab the middle. Yeah, then when one

person is that disappears to the camera, it's because it's because it's

entering to the bar. Yes, is the The door of the bar. It's the only entry.

It's the only way to enter to that's so the investigators did you know in the

not possible that this person disappeared nothing more so that did you know is

what did you do that was a little bit a little he put a little bit his head

Every person to go from bar. They were to all of each one of

them and none was not said Schaefer. So, also

they were thinking that the cameras could have passed for alto

that he was in an area that he he he could

he could he more he more know he

maybe he But they thought, well, surely it's probably, it's going to to see what they were in the

bar, to do they're and they were and they were the only other other side of the building was a door of

service that generally not was apt to the public because when it was, in that moment there was

a site of construction atras. So it was almost impossible to pass for

there. If you had the construction. So, they said, if not he went to the door of

the door of then, then where he went. And, and the fact, mentioned about

a investigation that was very interesting, that various people of bar and the policeian coincide

in a point. He probably probably already is very ebrio for that moment, no, because he

he, he, he, go to another bar, and then a bar hopping. Uh,

and they're and they're They're going to listen to a band in vivo and still taking. They're saying that in this construction if there were like a form of but that if it was obriot,

it was very difficult. If it was able to be totally impossible. And he probably was in an high grade of reality, right? At this point, is he was still

intoxicated. Exactly. And you're talking of a business where the only that is the only that is open in that

hour is that place. All the other to the other is around the dark to the is like you

say, if it's a ebri and it's northe, no, see, where I'm

where I'm going, if you see, it's, so it's, so it and if

were the side the and had had had been had been some some

type of accident, then when when in that construction. No. That's what

rare, that said, okay, if you came to the door to the door,

the case, whatever that's, anything that had been you've been or the person

hererida, but at final of the day, when they were there was that they

said, that we let us we're this area is an area of much

crime. So this bar not is the one is the one is the only bar

bar that has what is, all the city, has many cameras, especially this area. So the officials decided we're going to look the other cameras, the other images of the area,

no, to see see, maybe we can't, maybe someone no, no, he wrote, but at the most we found us in

some video of other new. So, then they're, the images of other bars, they're the images

of other the other and they're especially in that

area outside of the areas but in the images

of the other other other other the other they

not they not not no no no no

so so so the busk that came to

extend to the area outside the ugly saloon

no the ugly tuna saloon And with agendas, canines also were accompanied because now are looking, maybe they're looking a body, no?

Exactly. So, then they'd look them in containers of basura, they'd, they'd in sanjas, buscabin'n, in ojos. So, you know, you can't, they'll do you, look, and he asked them to the residents, they've been with the

people to see it's been a bit of you know, you know, you've seen a

man, hebrough that's a man, he's something, but nothing. Nothing.

And what interesting. Because this of the perros, so the of the of the

people is very very much because I think I think they they're two types

of those, ones that are they're and they're they're

they're they're they're they're they're not, but they're

type that are the kind of those that alphateen essences and they they're they're

in their and they're they're they're they're they're they're not they

didn't do they do do they do they no remember they're

when we said we're we're that something that's it's

it's strange it is that the reality super

a whatever something when we're when we we're when you

when you are when you're really, you have a response, you

do you have many times because you're in the moment a person, and as I do that

the time, disappear, you know, and you have a raster, or so, without to have

to have rastro without that that that's that you did the

people, you've seen, what was for you for the more that more they were

a lot or not, no? I'm They were that they're like three or four. And I did that there are videos and videos and videos about the theories. Muches say that's a change of

a robe, that's a sombrero, that aghached the head. Muches said that simply he took the camis that I'd try a quadros and the same. It's a lot of the

camis of the above. I have one that, I'm a lot more, but in another podcast they put it. And in one of these they said that a

more something something he had been got to in the maletas

in the bag so you know those those they're they're

they're they're they're they're they're they're they put into

and they got into and they're but at the end of the bar but the end of the people

no queho that there was a play there there was So the only

that if a case could have done an information are they are doing to do this and the

friend, because they are the last time. And you know, there's another theory

that I have heard I've also, I have heard of

the story where a little where a little in a tinder

was a person, and he made to a area of the area of

a little a at the the, of the wall and

what was the refrigerator in this time of the time of the time, he, for one

another, never was he disappeared of the job, he never they never

they never, they've and they were, and they they've and when

they're that building that years, years, years years

and they're, you're, and they're, doing something at the end of the time he came

to get you to have been about of a little where

this guy was because this child never never no no

no no there many many many many this

he he he he maybe he he he

but he's other theory no Figgins that I'm that I'm

a me me voled a little a couple of the case about a group of

assassins seriales that were the assassins of the car sonriente so

so so I don't know because he's destimed but

these these assassins have had attacked people for that

son and they were in various parts of the

United and their their profile of a person that coincide with the

rassos of Schaffer, that were a person that were a delgada, but not a much little, a attractive, blank, that would have studies, that were intelligent, and that had been in a state, like, de

edwarded or intoxicated. And that were, like, the type of persons that had been affected, and these assesinos, what they were that, is that disappeared to the person, and days after they'd to find out of the person awedada,

that was like for an accident, but, but the place of the accident, they were in a carita felice, and they started to see a group of people, and then they discovered that if it was a group of people.

You know, why is this esteem-this-theority? If it was in-couped into the profile, and, well, it would be able to, I think the problem is that there

is that there is, that's a, that's called, the smiley face, but it was trailer and attack women so

so so so nothing to one with and then they're

they're these graffiti in the barthas like the carita with the

smile a one not are similar or so was it was

a carita with a some but not was the

same in all the scenes in all the

there there there was a carita is a little area. It's just like a mile

of the area. You don't say that this is a sign, a firm if the crime passed here and the carita

felice is a mile is a coincidence. Oh, okay. What they did not was to

be that the correlation between those assassino and he so that that's a

group of sexinos no exist. Exactly. So, there, there's

there's there's there's called the smiley face killer that, that for

your his is a TikTok if they want to So,

loco. Yes, her is a and she says, she's the things

that you send, the man, he was, he was a truck driver. And he,

he, he, he, assassinated and then, they said, no, it's not

to be one thing with other, and you know, the problem is that

the area where he is, the area where he's, for being, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, so,

so, the assassinations, a even even they were one

with another. It was like in assassinations all the time.

There many many many there were many they were in all all the

ones so we we're so people of people that people

that were trying to be famous imitators to do

whatever whatever or copying and and the police for that

not did not of one something with the other because it's like there

a group of criminals now. If it's there's still the police not has done

there enough to provide that there is a group so. Okay.

Okay. Also it was very interesting one person was a a

theory that that's me is a very very interesting

and and I said that the when the same those

people were in those were introm nothing and they could

be part of this disappearance. Obviously, here not is to generate culpables to the loco, it was simply

to plant a possibility more in the one of the world, so they were and they said, and then nobody

was to get to know, he was to do it, he was all, but at final of the day,

you'd to do you have to do you the bar? Exactly. Or, what is the

relation that he had, and he was And I imagine, I want to think, that the police, all start looking that, of this form, so, you know, to say, where we're asking, questioner on

all the people, they're asking for the bar, to the persons that were there, even to the bouncers that were in the door, I imagine, that they're going to all the people that

was in the bar, because even there was a testimony in one of the, in one of the documents that I, that they said that they were, I don't know how

it's exactly, but accounting for every person that was always they'd look at the person and they'd they'd even and they'd and interrogated to this person so they're

so they're, tantas persons entered at the bar and there's people were to investigate to all and the only that was that was Brian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of the

cases most strange definitely that's, yes. Yes, you're, you're, You're in the stories that you

planed, some one some of the one of the sound a little bit more, or they're

like they're to say, they're not to explain to what you're what you know, one of the

one of the theories that was that was very was the person, that probably the

personed he was so, so, so, so, that is much more

probably because his papa not he was a guy, So his papa,

I said that, like, like, it's like, he's like, that's all over that he's going to be,

but Brian, I still going to dole and all this, the papa not wanted to do, not say, simply, to just,

simply to leave his duel of his mother. So, to the father, not he was a little

the idea that the he was, that the thing, that was the only thing that I can

say, well, me suena, you know, But I recall that the The friend They had been Dable to him

The two They were They were taking The same Kind of So, so for you say

me say that a person that's that's in the same state can do

this and then this Yeah Yeah Again Another another

Chism Some Some They Yeah Yeah Yeah and it's

And it's true the one of he's because after having The his

Abogado he says that not do it do you also if you were if you're an abogado, no you take. So, the council of

the abogado is if there are polygraph, no do you know, because in reality, no does nothing in court. After to cover many stories in the States United, we've done that the polygraphes no functioned. So, if your

abogado, you're saying, no do you do, because you can't incriminate, no do you do, because, the polygrapho no is 100%. And so, so it's a lot

of past. A year, a me made me made a problem

for a in the progafer was a for a postule for a

job, and then when I say, hey, for the type of we

we're we're from from the first of first of so I think,

I'm I'm I'm to have the opportunity to understand

how function this thing I'm no I know no

no to the people that the people that me is the not so there are some the way

different methodologies no I see but the me puti they were some type of bandas metalicas

in the pecho or others in the man and then when I'm when I see I

start questions and I'm to think and I'm trying to think trying to

docent the point is that what is doing the of organs internal, pressure arterial,

et cetera, is if it's, if it's modificate, they're they're to make a

thing that to do that's all the thing is that they have been to make

so much, I was too, that I'm that things that were reales, me were like if

were mean, mean, so things like your name is and I

said, and I said, me said, me are you're saying, me's

so it so it's so it's very is very fun. The same

question me was seen three and in every one and I'm saying the fact of the exception. Exactly.

But yeah it was, wait, to the question and the question earlier, I said that

you were saying the and it is saying, and I said, yeah, because I

understand this thing. It's a rhythm cardiaco. It's is supposed that when

you take your polygraph you sit and you're super calm and you're

you, and you answer the questions depends on what you do you do you

think you're supposedly your heart is a celeste and the pulsations are different if you know if you know

it's not it's not it's not have done you know you don't I've done

I've done I don't know I think if there's but in the Mio influed the how

you do the questions the question and so then the question of actually you get

to the answer I remember that he said, you in an moment, has insulted to a mom, because if you

have done, you're a bad person. And I remember that that moment was like, wait. I'm a bad

person. Definitely. Yes, but then what the response and why are, and why are you? No.

And he said, ah, you're saying, ah, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, is that you

I'm moved and me alterates all, for the form that you asked. Yes, so,

so that so that was like, Also, remember the courts of the courts of the courts of the

United are very quadrads. If the things not don't you can't they're when the

other defense you can't get to be the case completely so a polygraph is many

those changes and many things that are inconsistent like that not

there's not there's not that they don't do you do

you don't you can you not to a case and say, here's the

polygraph. This demestra that's, it's, it's you can't the case

completely because yeah and it's even even in the moment that they

put in those those things and they're at this a machine immediately

you're going to be a matter now, I'm going to check my pulse

and all what you're so, then you enter as alterated you, they're

they're questions rareas you alteras because no knows

how res and you you say, you're going to to keep calmado.

Well, how you going to keep in the light and you're doing? No? Yes,

yes, 100%. Yeah. That's interesting. Oh, then it's a question. Why,

if you know, if you still use it, you know, the police the police it uses a for example

confirm a suspecta. So, for example, if I have a question, and I

tell you to come, if you're to make, if you're a person, you say,

that no or two, you do the polygraphy and it's a exception, me, the idea of that you're a lead and that I'm

to realize more than you that's a way, that's a form of, any of the options that you take,

as you don't you do you can't benefit you, then so the people, and they're

the regals of the law, if the law, you say, no, no,

you know, and as the way, I'd say, no, don't know, it, in general,

because in reality not help and affect. If the official will look at you as a suspectosal principal, then you do you do the hand, right? I go, if you're

involved in the problem. And if you know, then you know, if you're not, the policee can't investigate, and they're to know, they're going to be aware that you're involved. Okay. Also, of what I've learned, no, I don't know where

came my information, but Kiki is where... Yes, it's very, very... A good, good, um... Disen that, you know, when you ask, when you ask, a question, that You met someone to a person at

a quarter of interrogation. Normally, they're and they're only and they don't even for a

time to these people. Much time. The way that this person will act to do you

will say much of this person. Because a person that no person who has to be to

be sitting there and then and then they're going to ask what I'm going to a person that

has done something normally is He's up, he's and he and makes

things with the feet, he's move to much, look at all

the all all the how is the person in the

moment where they're alone they're so they're to

do when you know when you don't know these techniques

for interrogate of interrogation that he's much and

thanks I think that many many people many

people who are experts, like John Douglas, that have advanced, this type of interrogation, is for so that the officials now can't get the information that need without the polygraphia. Is that, yes, it's all the sense, because

there's a link-in-between-pre-pensament, work, and emotions, no, and where the person is digriending something in what he knows that is culpable or intervened in a certain way, So, your cerebral will

to process the implications that's that's that's, and that's a lot of emotions and the emotions,

and the emotions those can't understand as an energy that's a, so a person that's a very moved

because the head to a million per hour, no, not to be a lot of a person,

and as a person, that has to have been to be to be a lot of things that

has to beckroned that they're incabronate that you're there, and they're being

molesto, desperated, or yeah, I'm really the person, and that's the information and

that's not not be a question, no, and that's yeah, it's, does it,

does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, more than what they're that's,

that's a person that that's there. That's interesting. Great a part of, Martha, you're gonna

do you know, wow. I'm, no, I'm professional for that all, no,

this, this channel not and professionals are placques, aficionados. We're afflistenated. Well,

yeah, going to the history a little, uh, the volants with his photo started to

start to do and they were all over and they're interesting for, um, for the public

and this is that he has that he has a particular a tattooage in the hand of Pearl Jam

that has in the, um, I think is the part superior of the

right so it is like if you're like the you can't

get the that's maybe you can't put a other but the person

that's tabing or that's taping a tattooing a tattooing a tattooing

no I imagine so so the police said if someone

in the area has changed this tattoo or modifications

to this tattooage for report no he um

he um he called the band Pro Jam. For so, so the port of the single Alive in his hand.

And apart, also the album he put here. And apart, also, I mean, he was a much distintive

in one of his iris or in his eye. So, this also also was put on blast, like in the

photography. If you see a someone that has those characteristics, that can perhaps

to this person, for favor, communicate with us to us let us to be because we want to know, because the

people said also, many people said, too, maybe disappeared because he said, because he was, because he was with the deception of the murder of his mother, was so too, he was still, he decided to disappear. And as, as it's other

theory, no, we know, it's really, what what happened there. And, then, then, after the fact, not have, not, until the fact, no, has been a information or something useful or something that's useful. After the miles of

of distance of the ugly to Nassaluna in all the directions, the police said to consider other possibilities, other than as a accident or a game of a ducer. Dough that the mother of Schaefer,

was there was a month, she speculated that she had had been temporarilyly, but for to be alone,

not, maybe I need a time only, but, so in embargo, his disappearance resulted permanent,

I say, yeah, that never regressor but not appeared reasons, but there's

said, okay, it's went voluntarily and they, so, no, no,

they've nothing. So, if it's not has gone, he's many,

we've done, many, many, and is that not, not, not, a person,

not, a person, a, a person, a, developing those studies, that's

intelligent in the area, that's that's that's not a way to be

not in a person that's a person who want to disappear exactly. Exactly.

It's someone like that's someone like it's not so that's not that

really that's in front. Exactly. Well, to those that have seen,

Schaefer that night, including the father, it's he's

he's he's to do of the polygraph, and all of approvary, his father, his brother,

his or the novi, but the only person, as you mentioned, that was the was the other night. The two women that had been

seen for the last when he is in the camera, see that there there's in the interchambe,

a few times and then they're they really had never had been a conversation so

great with him and that they had been with him to be

not it's not a not a not they're not a they're

even they're they didn't identify they other people once that

they they they're there there there there and

he so they they're in zero they they

they're on the square, okay yeah so the chas

not someone was someone was someone was an

interact to interact with a conversation casual But, yeah, and probably like they said

much, probably they're like, where's the bathroom, you know, because you're in the

entry of the bar, and it's like interactualled the grand thing, were common in change of

a word and it's a way, you know, or it's there's a night, and nothing of

this. Sure. Her novia, he was a telephone all the nights,

before to go, during much time after that he disappeared. For the general,

she was She said, and I will sitar. I'll keep you call to listen to simply

because it was one of the the good the sound of even

nobody even didn't ask she she wrote on the

Facebook MySpace She she wrote on the space so

me that I'm there was my space in 2006, right? Yeah, wow

and Inclusive Facebook, of what year, of 2007? 7, 8, no, 2008. The 2008?

Yeah, so a little after the photolo. Very well. Yes, a little. Well, Stingular,

the provider inalambric of Schaefer said that what Alexis heard could devers to a

failure in the computer. It's a pin of your telephone in a Torre Cellular in Hillard, that

was at 23 kilometers at the northeast of Columbus, Ohio. It's rare. That's rare? Because how will have to have a ping of

his cell phone, of his telephone a 23 kilometers, from where he disappeared? And no can't be a failure in the system, for what they said? Yes.

The company of cellular, he said, I'm a failure. Okay. And not

it was a there. There's two things that occur with your cellar. One is

when he mark a and then it's quite, and then to mark her in one, enter to

the call to that is what they discover in the pin? Or no? That part.

No. So, she he's a last the nights and pass on

some months. She he he's all all in,

um, I'm, I'm, disappeared in, in April. So, disappears the first of April.

And for September, she's she's coming constantly every every day, and then somebody, so they'll get

the telephone and it's a static, and he'll call. And yeah, and she's so, then she'll

a, to the company of telephones for, for who, who, who, who's,

because, obviously, if your number so they're to do to do to do

to do a person, And the company He said, no, no, we have done the number to nobody, but that's what

you've got to have been with him. He's in an area very and there's a, it's a a failure.

Okay, and that is the pin that they're in a 20 kilometers. And that's the pin that they're

to find that 24 kilometers. And they're saying like, okay, then so if you

know, the number to the number of the telephone to nobody because he did so

because he so long so yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the police received many

times. You know, when you do you ask to the public, the public will be to respond.

And usually respondent with things that are and things that are so that so they're

many, many, muchism cards. In a concert of Pearl Jam more of that year in

Cincinnati, the cantante principal took the time took the time between

the songs to ask you to tell something that if said,

favor, they'd forward, that did they were that they had been that's

that you know, but then the family was a program, is her band

favorite, if his band favorite, he said, he's we're going to say, oh my God,

he's me is going to say he I'm going to say, right? Because it's

his band favorite. But, but at final of the time, so they

they're still doing things, and at to the respect. The father of Brian, Randy Schaefer, who recently

had suffered the murder of her husband, continued for his own, looking to his child. So, so he decided to go

to a psychic, no, I wanted to know if someone had something of him. That person

he said that the body of his body of his was in the area, close a mouye

of a point. He's many, how pences there, many muelles

know? He and Derek, the brother of Brian, and with

some other other other other people who know

they were interested in the case they bought of

water and and passed a part of your

time of the time of the river, no, because, like, what moorget, what point,

no-se- so, so they're doing to look for all the river, but,

well, they're not they're not. This possibility also, he came to the policeia,

but it's another theory, it's something that's his father heard of a psychico,

no had, no, they'd have been there that was to

get to the your problem more grand is that no is that you not the

fact that the problem that you is to the where it's because we we can't we can't say

after this we can't we can't get to the bar and for the play and it was to the bar and went

to the bar and he went to his know we can't do that but if you know

you can't come how you where where is where well well

well well a person or when when they're a

little a current in a world to not not

not not not not not especially especially if

is a so you you're talking maybe maybe maybe

maybe the maybe the but of a but the police

took to this connection no of an a

assassin. Because no they had nothing, no had the evidence. You know

that if no there's only a theory. Yeah. Fundament to do not in

ideas conspiratives exclusively exclusively. Mm-hmm. Well, in September of 2008,

during a storm of the wind, Randy Schaefer, the

father, was in the patio of his house in Baltimore limping his

combros, and a ram and he was a very car and he wase his people found his his body a morning

and they're to call the police that's what I'm saying this story is very strange because the mother

at the three months disappears Brian and in September a ram is what what produces

the murder of his father and they're like what is what is what is with this

family One by one, Lamentably So, so after that their obituary was a public

in line, he published a book of condolences and these honestly, these things that are

to be to be some of that they're really a lot because you're

playing with the with the feelings and the and the pain I'm

my people that's this because when they do this one of

the firm and I say, and the Amor Brian. And so it was like,

it was digital. Yeah, it was digital. And it was and it was so I'm, so I'm, this would

possibly be possibly, possibly was living a life new in other other place. And the police said,

okay, we're going to investigate right, because the only person overivient of this

family, he's to be a person, Derek. So, they were to find

and, and, they were, they're, that this had been a, had been published from a computer accessible to the public in the condo of Franklin

and had been completely an engano. So, I feel that these things, of the really, not are they being to do, not you can't be able to the sentiments and the dolorageno of the people, not go, to go, end up firming the name of other person. And you know,

because the family was suffering anyway, a person to, even though the only surviving is her man, imagine to all this peridding, your family complete. And you know, that's something

that people not consider, that in the people, the people that are there many people very much

people, so are many so are many, so are many, what they want is attention, what they

are a problem. A me has to be people that what they're that you

want, as a opinion, is a mental and that and they know

that they're that's a matter, but a past of all, under some objective personal and a little

extra. But no, no, not so they're in the question. And this message that

he gets in the obituary of the pap, in this book of condolences, well, the,

like you, the, like, the one is the person that this family after after the

different, very rapid of forms different, but very lamentable and then someone

firma that, because here there's a detail, that maybe is coincidency, but the people

know that Brian had had been a little a life perfect would like in a play and

talking music. So when comes from the Islas Virgenes was like a match of a

busk and that is that is a good very very disagradable. Yes, the

actually is, I don't see that's things that I think to think and I

don't I can understand because the people can't have a

more of empathy, especially with the people that

are with the people and in special in this case because

the only that's a person to be a dead

and disappeared and is horrible I agree so

coincide totally well well after of the death of

Randy Schafer the father of Brian Neil Rosenberg in a

lawyer he said Don Cobert Don Covert was a investigator

private, that had offered his time as a voluntary

to help to find a Brian, no? I mean, I imagine

that has said, this is one of the the those of the

other those we're talking of him, I'm to be to be

to use something to use something to help to the so he he said,

he said, he said, he was a much slack, no, it was a much attention negative and he he said that he wanted to do the tester, I mean, I said, I mean, to say, that he didn't know where was his

friend, no? Okay. He also, he, he thought that Schaefer, that Brian was a big, and he said, and he was going to sitar. If Brian is what he made, he made care after

to talk to talk with the detective involucrado then is Brian

and no Clint that causing and his family Brian

should present and to and this again again

is is that is that type of messages

that the other person no yeah you took

a fiber sensible human And to humanize it. And a despite of the

family, how you're to say to say, I'm going to say, although you think

it's, cacky-alloy. That message, who said, who said? That message he said

Florence. Florence. No, Rosenberg, sorry, Rosenberg. That is the

investigator? Mm-hmm. Okay. So, well, yeah, yeah, are,

messages that they're just going to disbordered and without no, that they're in the reaction

of another but you know that this going to do the family well the brother that's the only

that's the brother that that's yeah and you know this has led to a much

to the police to have many times but at the final to countas not is like there

nothing new all so still still still still still

that something could have succeeded, but not is the real. And, well, at the end of day, even after

a couple of years in the 2019, commenced to circular some images of a child that was a

manned, in Tijuana, in Mexico, that was that was that was a place, Schaefer.

And this, they said, the station of notties, he said, a little this child is,

so, so they've sent this image to FBI, and in the 2020, for

analysis of recognition facial and, in the 2020, the police discarded that he was he, the those, the rascals faciales not

they'd have, and in March of 2021, the Office of Investigation Criminal of Ohio publiced a photo with the age advanced or the

age that he now, at the 42 years because he has yeah 15 years disappeared. So,

I don't know if this case some day will be form of serrars or simply

will be to kind of one of those mysteries that we know

we're not because what happened that the day of

still still the only to a saluna yeah

yeah but but I think I'm I'm I was

was that I had remodelations remodelations so no I'm so I

not I'm not I'm not I'm in that in that in this

change um they've moved, because as it was in construction atras, I don't know if expanded or if, if,

you know, I know what's what you're, but supposedly if they were in the campus, no see if you know

they've moved too, but I'm I think, I'm, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure,

this year. Okay, okay. So, I mean, it's, I mean, it's,

I've been that they've been a much the thing, has been been, it seems that

maybe not will have a day a resolution in this case because just justly

just have got got all the lines of investigation no. It's still abired

the case or they're just so they're not in the

States like this are like these are cases so cases so cases frios

are they're not so far they're and when the officials or

the investigators have a little of time, then can't

to revisit all the evidence that they're and try to resolve it. But,

but at final, if no there's like you have a great thing to

resolve a case. In these cases, and this is a

sad, this is a but in these cases, when there no there's

only there's, and if the brother not not is

the people, to the investigation, it's one of those cases

that is So if the one is there is there is going to another new, they're in

a new, they're in a new, then the police will say, no is important, we're going to put down

and we keep with the cases that are on the so it is, it's, it's,

it's what that's what is what is the thing. No, I didn't all the

sense. If they're getting cases, in those that less insistence of the

public and the people have forcibly are perusing they're

doing a priority in the line of investigation. Yes, precisely for that

one of the things that we have been about at the first of the

cases, like, in shows, this type of podcasting or in documentaries

or in channels of YouTube. For that's important because

generates that the people come to investigate and people who

live in the area maybe can maybe someone maybe

someone I never have said this that I think that in many cases,

a lot of sometimes not are because there in the area, especially in the United, when we're

a community very different, where there are people who don't know and that you know what you are you

are you are asking. But what that a person of a spana and he says,

oh my God, I'm I'm a question, I'm just you're in Spanish in the

that you understand, or you're you're you're saying, or you're A little

someone more has a information. And not I don't I think only in the Spanish,

so in all the other the other because the United is a new different. We're

people of people of the world. And not they're in English. So, it would

be very that if you do you know, and someone can come and say,

oh yeah, I see me I'm I'm I'm that I'm called and

that I'm now that we can do you can't do the information in

other other idiomas, I think that is the part of the granite of the arena that's doing podcasting and doing YouTube channels and all this, to give this type of cases to the light.

We're doing a segment at the first of the month, where we're trying to find a person pernita. We're telling the history, the data, and we're we're going to

someone has seen something, have seen something, and what we always say, you and Kiki is, no it's no important how little that you think you

have the information that you have to you have to the officers, because you know

know that that little information that you have the piece. It's the piece.

So it's very important that if you're you're looking what was going you're going

to you maybe you're maybe you maybe you did you maybe you maybe you said,

ah, no, it was something it's was a No, you know,

if that is what will help to help to find to the child. Exactly.

So, the idea family noctuna, no men presying, the first,

the power that has the information, because in that to be the

key to be the key of the listening to listen to to

that that piece of information, that experience that

that maybe that may resolving the many cases have resolved

for that that's a little piece that a year after

a I'm I'm this data and I'm the investigation no

chas much thanks thank something something that they

want to let's get the time for me this has been

a case for me that's been I'm I'm impact

just because the fact that a person enter a

bar and there cameras there are persons that is the in many of the cases,

the people say, in the police not used in the police, no, in this is he did it,

and it's not nothing, or so, nobody knows where this person, nobody it's a

person, so much, so much, so much, they're going to be to get us with a

family nocturna that I think this, this episode you will be

to be about, first, First, first that family nocturna let us

we're a good a question of Kiki and the advice is, go in a bar, go ahead of the

bar with those people with the same, never they're never come people

that not know, and if are going to go for favor, regreces

in group people. Quidens because not know what they will be going to

this is one of the cases that we're covering today, but how many have we covered Quikillo, where the kids enter

at the bar, and they're not seen again, and they're not seen. Because something they're not, because their

people, because their people are to a bar and get to get to the bar together. Grand

good. I'm totally of a quote. I think that the small measures in

the great changes. And just the not have no have no any

measure of security and have a great inconsience of the risk

to be they're in the way of you know that you don't you're

not you know, then you go and then the group, and all the

members of the group, that they're going to be a core responsibility, no? So,

we're not just, no, not just, you. Consientes. I think that the

most important is to have the question of what we we're doing

and even, I know that sometimes the people us

are the people are doing that the that the women not that's not the

because the advice of the but the fact that is no I'm

I'm not I don't I'm I'm completely of where you want you want to you

want to you but we've in a society you're much danger and you

get a person and then you know your never never you

to be at a disposition of someone more, even even even to your friends, if we're

to be paranoid we're going to be paranoid collectively. Never never your never gets

your business when you have to your friends, when you have to and you always,

always, say to tell a something, if something something to get to be to know,

so, yes, so is a good, so is a more than paranoia, I would say,

a conscience and have precautions, because if the people know your where you're to do you

obviously not in every second and every minute but if you're going to do you use a taxi if you're going to a place to

know a person that you're not you're not you're not to have to have those two three people of confidence

in a in a single message you say you say you say you're this side and you

you're my location and I'm going to this Uber or I'm going to this X, Y, or I'm going to this guy, or I'm going to this person. And that's a simple message could be, like, one of my name, me, say, I've been

the great power to make that the people no, no, don't, don't have problems. For that, as far as, I'm coming to give the thanks of the grand power that I've then the fact of that you do you do, it's all kinds of

many dangers that not, no, you know, you really what's

it's a question there's not, where it's limited the risk that's

going to then then I'm going to a barred's because go to go to

you know you can't be there and are places. And

so, dear family nocturna, this was the first episode of

let's the let's the thing this was the case of Brian Schaffer. Quintam,

you know, you've heard of this case? There's a other thing. There's I'm going to those questions.

I'm a great-brassau. This is a good time and that you have a good thing. Bye-bye.