HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - Historias de Brujería: Yo ya Soy del Diablo | Ft. @PodcastMasAlladelMiedo | EP 165

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

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because what we we're going to talk the day of today

I I think to I think to that I'm recommend. If you

start you to feel you get a episode and then you go to get to get to you're not,

you know, and you're going to not far we never without without without no,

I know, because we talked about a moment that from you've been you've been in an

environment very a little an environment that in Mexico or have lived ever ever

ever ever never even that exists. You've lived in the family and a member

very circarant and that you you want to you want to you want to you to get a carcterate who's this

person then this person was my mother she practiced she practiced because I remember that

was a little so she then she was she was just from these practices

directly from from where was from she was she was she was she learned

all this of the labored his first his first the other paths in this

she's in this place, she was made to make sure of hermases. Where she was adopted. So, no me kept clear if in this adoption his hermases that hermases that they tookier, then as as a, as a grandmother adoptive,

those persons are the ones that they they were, or if she had with a connoissement previous, then the people that they gave her. See, that that's never he had said, never he had said, but I think

to me, never me he was practically my mother, because it was a little bit of that. But I've never, I can't clarify. A doubt. A question. You know, the type of magic that

she had to be with them. We could tell a little how it was this. Ah, yeah, she, she, she, she, she, she, she had a mannedia a lot of interesting, that has been with the vets, with the

fire, with the piromancia, with these mancias that, the seromancia, that have been with bells, with fire. So, they're in some interpretations

that's interesting with the manho of the belas, with the manho of the fire, I'm almost convinced that she, when she,

when I was, I, observe an veil, could interpreter things. but at a

very a bell a lot of a lot of an amplitude a little more interesting she

she was she could observe things of future or of the first

it was interesting the methods had two in one I putia the veil in your

hands and then she put his hands over the two you

to tocable the hands. So, four bells, four hands,

abras a little, observed a flam, and this person asked, while she

was a little the channel was directly the flame. And she began to

respond to each one of the questions. That was one of the methods. The

that is more interesting, a to my, to my point of of my point of

view, that also that's a much charlatan is the

method where you deten the bell and she passed a o'clock

on on the flame on the people they were people, did you

get to see, something something like if if it had had

done so so many they're no because is

that the par idolias. No, is that is something very common, but what not is common is that you're saying about the paper and say, hey,

this woman, that has been an arrow here on the mouth, that seems that has a mechon of the cabo so, who is? Ah, is my brother. The details, precise. Detaches. Detaches. Detaches. It's that, I think,

is a prester much a charlatan. Because if is certain, So, they're manipuling these these in those

They're they're they're they're even they're even they're doing things

of all so they're so they're in a true illusionism you do you

exactly exactly you you did you yeah with all honestity

was a thing I'm that was so in my mom bolsites in

bellas new because always they used bells new. He had

caches with sandi with serials of the matter because they were

one of the elements important and he had a little new houses of the

officein of the normales that you do you do you do that every

that was every that they had they were a packet and he's

he directly he never he's never confirmed In these situations

that you lived because you were your home and is your mom and a relationship and for what you did it was a

very good relationship. Tell me a situation that you've lived that you've surprised. Figgate

that there were various situations. A but of the first things that we could considerer that for my

point of different things paranormal have to be also. The my mother

was put we had, we obviously, we had all together all over

put a ballas to be able to be able to observe in this ban you not there

not had all the services in these little things, but I'm that it's really,

it was impressive you know, you know, when you see, like you're still

like, kind of kind of just pavila and you're getting to a only point.

So, me passed to me, that me kept and metied in a boat with with a hot and

observant to the flama, because no, you see as other thing. And I saw how the flama

was a separate from the beller or the bellator and it and it was to the techo.

When I got to the the top but I'd turn to get in the

bella. I mean something, rareissimo. Sure. Rerissimo. That to these

time, I go that's something I mean, it's a little normal. So, I was a continual about

this? Passed continually. Passed continually but always I saw it like something normal, something,

something that's always been when we baniam, we've been we're going to. Okay.

This situation that was a time, it was down you, you know, the environment of your

house, it was an environment and it was, it was an environment, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it. I was like a ambient a little.

But when I was a little was a more grand that I'm to understand

much more things, I'm came to because it was that I

tell me. It's that a person that's a question of the

question of has to always. There's there's there's a problem that can

be there can be a person to the he did a She was a person, that she was that she, she

libero to someone, obviously the brujo, the other side, not to be to get to be crossed. So, she always had to be that form of protect us, and to her, as her, as us also to us. And she always was

fiel and creetent that the animals, the plants, obviously, some of the Piedras Symbolos can protect you So let's

let's you know, to protect you and to protect also their entire of more brujos of who

more he was to protect Look, more than the accumulation of energies in the

place is something is a very important you I'm to put a scenario

imagine let us we've we've been in a quartito little. All in a

one one of a same we're in a time we're four. Yeah.

So, there a lot of my mom had to be a time and the

other side there was like a terrace where had divisions with

tels of ters or similar and I and I had

his altars to the certain in the when

I'm the different had various levels, like these altars of the

day of mortals, you know, you know, they're like they're like they're to be

at the mesitas to the sides, with the two images of the Santa

Morte Blanca and I putia those levels like if it

weres and in every escalon had the workes there many

many times of burglas so where you where there

even there because there were the limpies were the the vas used for the

ritual of the magic of the belas and even they put in some other elements

that never I never to ask they were but being the work for

many people as much of the relato that we've seen videos that we've

seen of the the in pantions in they're

in animals met in elements organics and they're so imagine you you know

you know photographs so photographs many photographs many photographs it was an thing was exaggerated

photographs in those altars aggras with arfileres not not to damage but not you're

like so that symbolize something in this altar these altars that are to the

contals like to Like, for example, if had to be a liberation, I'm just at a little

because there was where I'm depositable the work just just a sign that he was for this family or

for this person. You discovered secrets of the brugheria for, or not you're not

so much in the questions of the brugery? No, I'm so I say,

because no, not it was something that was a attention. Not it was to

call me attention this situation because I was I was always I was afraid in things of the kids. I mean I

didn't know to say, I'm going to say the bruch. Because she said that was a person.

Even the people had even the people. Yeah, because my area where I live is a

one a one a social very, very Catholic. Ah, okay. I was the antagonist

of many exactly. Exactly. It was the Oveja in the city.

So, like. But, of that there's a type of that I'm with the

religion. I'm that I'm a I'm a, I'm I'm problems with that

aspect. Because I am I assisted to the church for my own.

You did? I did. My mother never never never,

he never no, no, I the most the most

to the more than the that is major than me. all the sacraments but always

I never I'm going to never never a question before before she didn't say why she

I don't want to go is that we're just we're trying to another another thing we

we're doing we remember yeah yeah so without so my mother never me

never me never me went to that I'm to assist to the groups juveniles, groups religious,

even I got to start in the seminary that never me no, never me no, never me, prohibit.

So she was very good in certain things, but if were many situations with people that

was a cure. Because they'd about the house, they'd to be

to the work's those curals, but not in house. Because they were more perjudicial.

Okay. And the the fact of these people that sanable, so they were accumulando to this energy,

that was what was that was that was the aromas and exactly. That's what that was also that went

to the talk about, we know, we had to be changing constantly of the because?

For that accumulation of energies. In serious? Yes. What was what was when it was

accumulable much the energy. Look, I said my mother that could not

occur attacks, could not occur. But you say, she was she was

to be all the forms. Symbols, digs, animals, plants. It was

really, this is a very cruel to some people, but that's a

function very real of the animals. My mama described to the

animals as like as beings like people, they

can things that we don't know they can perceive things that

we don't when a when a energy negative is a lot of it's very common that the animals

get a or that the animals fallies can that the plants are you seeken are

so are symptoms or patrons very common in the burghry that I want

to mention something I'm I'm I'm I'm more than my mark

of creences because this channel not that they know

that or that the people that listen create in something. So the stories, are the stories, are

about those stories, but I've heard about but I've heard of much, and of different media, and the affectation of animals, the affectation of the plants, that's, when entities

of those curates, jobs of brewery attacks to a person and the environment

and it's not not a cause obvious or natural so you do you

do you confirm 100 100% to the I'm so

the animals the plants are this perceive they

absorb this and it was a form of protection

so of my mother it was something was

Well, until now, I've like how did you black?

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where Prada too in But it was curious because we're not quiteito, a little bit of a small, a little terracita, in reality,

not was a house. It was like a type of a convivance, a house of a camp. So, where we were and we were a priest and it

a sacrede. And he was a little bit of a little bit of or not even he, yeah, yeah,

he, he was going to mention the Father Jesus Arceo, that my respect and all my bensions for the

sir. I saw what was the condition of us. What I said my mother. No, I don't

I'm not how it was. Or what was the reason that we had facilitated this place? Because

no, not nothing. Yeah. Something curious, that I'm just

right, I'm thinking, I'm never asked. I'm not a good relation with your

mom? With us, with us. Okay. So, so

we're talking that not, because here is important. Yeah, when you're an adult,

you know, you know, they're in many those people. If someone you're doing a little way, and not you're

doing a little way to do you do it's a or is because you have much esteem, or is because you have a great

favor. And if there's a good relation, it's the thing, it's the thing, then I

didn't, I'm a time, I think, I'm, fiat, that still until

this moment, I'm doing, because not I've mentioned until now,

to now that I'm to think to be to think a person to

a centred to ced his little a little

a book. Fidate that I think and this is something I've

done to a sometimes we get with ideas

very caricaturis of the reality so so both

as one like the other, like some of some

kind of of Like a saint's ala. Like a priest. The reality is that when I, I also I mean, I was seminarist. Yeah. I know,

I'm many ofs. At the day of day of day, of the day, Andres, Tirado, the ex-sadrote Catholic,

but exorcist, the day of day of day. And we're, we're trying a very good relationship. But,

all to know these people to the people, much of the things in the descriptions of the people,

that not I'm not to be that's overgeneralizing. As well, more than all the

investidura is the person and the people know of all the type. So it depends much in this

history that we've understood. But also the person that you know, the person that

is a supermating that's a caricature of the of the imagination that's a

mother, that's a mother with your children because of your person who's a servant

that the person's a a person human that that's the type of that's

not a kind of a thing that's not a person, but it's a person like all

the other common. Common and common. Well, the common not so. In that

aspect. In that aspect but also that I'm a very good relationship

with you and we have a time. I'm a lot of I'm a know, I

know, I know, I know, I'm know, I'm a person that's that you for

nothing. For nothing. Pese a that we've talked about that's that's

there's there's there's that I'm in a little moment I'm going to that's

so I'm very so I'm don't know I'm really really and that's and that

but I think that's for that we're that we think that it's about that people who

have been these realities because this this is this mythificed much

but but well, continuing with this history, with is the moment. Why, your mom not could

enter to the churches? My mother not could enter to the

churches because she had a a a perception a interesting

in quite all this that she was that

there was that the demon has the people

the like to I like I know when

we are we are we are the creator

to Jesus Christ. My mother was baptized. Since embargo, since very a very time in a time, she

learned the labor of the brujeria. She, she, for the poor preparation or much preparation that

took in the Catholicism, she had the firm idea of what was doing was something was a

in a good. In serious? Yes. In contraed the

church because not is in their mandamient and the of his, um, of his dogma

of what, like, as they're nombrate. And she passed for a situation paranormal,

a lot of very far. Not you can't tell. Sure, that's it has. It has

been with churches. Imagineate a man, she in Salina Cruz, when was an

adultacent, and practicing all these things, was a a misa. No

I would to go to to Then, then he's a a misa and

he said all the misa normal, like any other day, or

any other a day, and a friend of her, he

starts a a person, to be to the capilla. They're

to bezars and they're to talk and they're they're they're

they they're a moment totally intimate there in front of the persons.

So, then my mother, or me he said, in her moment, that she observed,

she was, and they were, they were observing, the sacerdot at the altar, the Eucharistia, and that she

being, that she, didn't, nobody, no, percivian, nobody was than she,

but she, so, so, and she went, and he said, no, I will

to go in my a life to a misa. When I was a

seminarist I said my name this this story me it's the

demonio you want to you're to be that you is the is the

devil for me so don't don't you don't you

don't I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm he I'm

I'm I know I I'm I'm I when I

did I all this. To pass many years, this occasion, we've lived in Sawhaloyo, Michoacan, that I repeat, are very Catholic

we're, well, it's said that we're, because we're, we're in a funeral. A misa of a despedida, of a person, a funeral. I'm talking to a parochia, no

a capilla. I mean, the dimension is enormous. and the same scene one a pair and

passing and talking and getting to the parroki nobody he

doesn't he more than she and he and he will be

to confirm this me is going because he he's saying

that I know I pertens to I I don't

I don't I go to to go to an

mis this second occasion was when you were a seminarist no that's me it was

that when I just about some of my brothers and you know so said okay okay the

second the second occasion but so said in places totally

different different that I came mentioned that in this parroke

there there there was relic yeah of jose

satch of the rio, there's bad. Duda I'm going to Say something

Morbosso But is because I want to Exactly what Yeah Is it being An act Erotic

Yeah Why he Causa Why is Why is Because For she For her

So the Acto No is Like the Because is a Acto Natural

Exactly What What he Was it Was it Was that Waser That

into the church and that nobody more would be that was a

message for her exactly yeah and she she this is this is super

interesting how she she perceived that that for the words

that she pertensia to her she was she was she was she was she was

she was she was no no he was and she she never lived with

with much MEDA. It was a MOYE A woman, how I I'm a

a woman a woman pretty temperament a different but still being a woman.

I had sentiments, we were with much care but in that aspect was very

very strong. But like that sometimes he had that sensibility that

had MED to have MED to what he had a

these, um, apparitions demoniacas or diabolical, because, uh, with some people,

I've talked about, she, she, she'd try to do this. Ah,

so? Yeah. Of the workeria, of the and the workos, because

every every was more and more and more deteriorated. So, he was not muchissimo. He was

absorbing the life. The was absorbinging. So, so that I repeat,

I'm going to 40 years. How it was physically the 40 years? Physically, fisically,

fifted, it was of stature and a back. One, one, one is

gourdito, but it's a thing very different that one is a gorg to that a that one

is inflamed. It's inflamed. Totally inflamed. Inflamate. Pyrna, the

car she he in the last photographs that we we're

in the few it the last photographs were in a in a in a

in a baptism I he said oh yeah no that you know that that's not

that not not no no no no no just just

just the part of the celebration of the exactly was and was the

baptism of the baptism of one of my Sobrinus. And there

yeah, yeah. See, the photos. Yeah. If you, it's your mom.

But if someone she had for the first first, I'd say that I'm a

year, no, no, no, no, for nothing, I think my mom,

I was 10, 15 years more grand. Yeah. Peel Rumb to the 60

years. A what the 55. 55. No, 55. No,

no, six. Chances. the 60, so. Why you're the

seminary? Fidate that were various coincidences to my point of view of but I

also I'm looking to certain point because all being to be doing to groups of

grubes of convivencia with the the place also was very

propitious for to assist simply in my in my in my city

there three seminaries the the place so the

And even For simple Jugadera I went A Retiro Spiritual where I liked

I was the Trato, how was the labor of the seminarist the preparation

and me made an invitation to get me see that that's so it was a

pretty because a man he said oh yeah you you're

you're you're you're the I said I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm a not you like it? I said, I'm very beautiful,

but then you're a go to keep at the keep at me I'm

he said for a day for you say that I said and he

and he and he he went and he he yeah yeah yeah

but but it was a very beautiful in my life the

really I learned I learned much being a

adult but one and another other other these situations, to be in oration, start to,

learn to be in a certainia with Christ. And I think that is important to a certainia with him. In the

actuality, I'm, being you think I'm, the institution, I think it's very corrupt. In many

aspects. The part institutional, political. Exactly. It's what that I cause conflict.

Because, I think, being my my, my, where I'm a place a little

religious, just want to be the good. Yeah, of the good. No,

there's a question to be, that's a problem, because they're hypocritas. They're

hypocritas. Even, you know, even, we've talked to that, I,

now, I'm to say abiertament here to the public, I do

an adoration to the Santa Morte. A, a Santa Abietamente.

Until a few days I've a talk about a person that is a

person who is a person. I don't have a image. He, he gave

this image to me and it was when I said I'm going to go to

your adoration to after that time. I have the I had the

affinity for her. But a thing to the yeah

say Santa Morte or a demon, or what you want you want to

that you do you do you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,

I'm of that idea. I'm of that idea, the people is hypocrite, he's that for creer in

God, for pertenesse to a institution, you're just on the other side, and no,

are the people, I'm equivocal. Figate that I think it's a phenomenon that

that in general in creencers. Yes. Sienten that form part of

a party of a part of the part of the part of the I'm going to I'm I'm really I'm not the

type of person to to be doing because I'm there's that I'm overpassing that I'm not going to but I'm

knowed and the cyber diversity and in occasions I know of me myself and say well the well the

that's the thing of the time of saying well I think I'm I've been to give to I don't know

I'm going to that a life are in the way of the right.

But I think a very much of the we're in we're in these these creencies,

not I don't think because I'm ignorant of many, but the part

key is this part of the introspection and the life spiritual. And when

these two you don't you don't they don't give any

interest and it's more the fach I think to

get to a part of a Tarinism external, in the

real really you're sure you're so you're justified of all for to bring X bandera or

do you do you? Coincides? Completely of course. And I think that really,

it's a phenomenon that I would agree in general the practices religious because I

have seen these in many creencies. That I say, is the same

that's the thing, it's not the thing. And of this variety of people, as they're in the city of

Mexico, there is in Chile, Moli, Posole, I think there's in the other. But there is something

that's coming much the attention of your experience. And I know we've got to get to normal, but

this is that I'm a can't a can't, and I tell you interesting, yeah,

yeah, I'm trying, you, see, you, your mom live with need,

practice the bruchery. Yes. You know that she does, I don't know I want to

do that because maybe not that's but he does that he's related to

work with yeah, yeah, he's a magic black, but she doesn't

get a repentive and you get to this. You enter at the seminary,

you live of a close, you know, you're a person, you're

a person very person a person a and you get you a great

a relationship with a life, but you, but you the

two mundos. Viviste in your time in the seminar and in your time of life, not the

part political, the part spiritual, if you got to have in some time in those retires or something,

that you had to contact with spiritual in relation with the Christianism? Contacto

direct to, that you would be an experience that you could denominar in the

criteria because the vocabulares depends much of what dictionaries you

are in the dictionary Catholic, there's two words, that's

preternatural and supernatural. Peternatural, things that are so far as far as about as and overnatural,

related to you've seen some experience in the seminar that not so that not so that's

not a question of that's a normal, peternatural or sorenatural? No. No.

And in the oration, you've had some kind of contact profound with or no?

There, if if I can say to be There's a little. There's there.

Fagate that is true, that's very certain, and I can't confirm that

when a person sincerely is repentida of all his culp, of all

those things that has done, of all his bad acts, he can

do it, so, you know, you know, you know, your life is distinct.

It's a, it's a, it's a life that, that, it generates a,

a, a satisfaction. Because no you have problems with nobody. With nobody.

If you are confessing every three days, every every every continual,

the form sincere, that's what I'm, because many people are, they confess and I,

yeah, I'm still, I'm a person, a person, but it's a way,

they're getting to the the spouse, maltratan to the children, et cetera, so the

the becated the there's always there. There was a moment in my life, in the

that I didn't existia that of that I was so. I was so I'm that I was

that I'm was in other place. It's a situation very beautiful, but

here is where to what I in one when I was in the

seminar there There was, an, an adoration, an adoration nocturnal in which, in the that was

he had to accompany to the Santissimo during the night. And there us were the form of adoration

postrava, in which you had to be that you were much a lot of, because many of the

people, it was that they were to say, that they were to be to do allmian.

But in that occasion a minute me took an orerary of the 2 the morning.

And as we we're almost we're almost and the adoration was the duration was for every one.

In those moments I was in this moment I'm in this moment of that I'm no problem

with the people, with people did my postration I did my oration and I

amigone no, no, I see if was my or perception my but

I felt like I'm like me they they were they the

clavicles and like, like, like, like, like, like,

like, like, like, like, like, and I, and I, and they're

like, they're in, a tendedero, or something similar, and me they're in front of the

cross. So, is the only thing that I did you that I said,

that I'm, that's that was over other thing that has to be with, with the

religion. That's what you're, what emotions you, what effect you did it

Figgate that I don't, I think I think I've done something. I mean, it's interesting

at the having the sense. Yes. But no, no, I think he has done.

No, no impact. No, no. No, impact very. Yeah.

Very well. Now, you enter in this adoration to the Santa Morte,

or well, you know, you know, a day of a adoration. So, what is what to believe

to think to get to every more. Well, I mean, particularly me

remember much to my mother. Is this relation filial? Completely. Principal.

All my life was a little of me. When was a little a

little fear. For the aspect physical? For the aesthetic. Yes.

But yeah after you go, you know, you know, you're going as part

of something of a house, even even like an adorn,

or so if there would be a one but but a you you are

doing you you are you you the the death

you even I'm even well I do I

affirm that God his manifestations you are you right

we're we sometimes are refug in that I belong

I know I'm well, but in those actions, they're all demonio. And,

and I don't want to return to the posture, but I want to mention, because I've made many

videos, I have done about the Santa Morte, of your history, of where

it's, where it is very Mexican, it's very to us. We're not used

we're colonized, we've been colonized, religiously with all this that they

brought here the the people many videos there's there's

attacks of people that are fanatical for me are fanatics

oh yeah you you know no no is the devil is the

the death but no no you know you don't

you don't you don't you don't you there is

where my critical where where I do where me

You want to force to something to and with an argument and a pretty poor and it's a poor and a quite quite

that's a what I'm not critiqued the middle of the institution not all are not all but also

not they're not all right there's a postura I think I'm not too I'm not too that existia

that was a a priest there was a well it's a person well it's a special

he was the master of the great obispo a level world. I was an

eminence this type. He was a paracologist of the years 70. And he said that the

miracles no existe. No, there was that he had to be that he he was, he

was a he said, he said, that he doesn't know we know, we know, that the

world, he didn't, he was a person human had a naturalness the world that while

the day of day of the day of but not has profundized in

English, they call entelergy. And this naturalese is a type of force

internal that we need to do things. The curation of the problem, the apparition of things in

our own the way, it's a type psychico, the lecture of the connection for a

connection emotional, that we know we we're doing a interpretation supernatural,

but that has to be with that energy, with that that power,

but that's human, and that we just, we we're that

And that in many phenomena what you occur is that the people that are in those are very similar

to the immunities that are they're doing but they're self-destruy like the people who

think is lupus that is when your own your own your own your own because it's

because it's because you're because you're your creency the day of today to do you see the

to the same to the the Santa Mewart or the death as a a

entity or is not a single. Because it's a part of

a cycle. A cycle natural, no, in the which finally the people,

not the conclusion is part of another cycle. But you you know, you know,

you know, you know, a way a way a metaphor or a form to project

something a little how you, how you do it I Well, if we

we'll do talk about Catholic that never they're from your mark of

creencies? From my mark of creencies by the church Catholic not a

right? Ah, for the methods of canonization? Exactly. Canaanization beatification

and never will pass for that. For the church not is Santa.

Well, because no humana era. Exactly. It's a

state of the life. You do like a state of the

life? Also like a state of the okay. It's part of the

and also it's that has that has an amplitude yeah, the murder I'm a

way to some of that some of others are that I'm interested yeah no no, your

point of view. Yes, that's my point of view. It's part of the most of

simply and the end of the end of us, we're to our mortals,

we're we're we're in we're in we're in we're we're in the world.

But you see like a entity? It's like an entity. Uh-huh. As a part of it,

is, is a whole for me. It's a whole. No, I can't say that's

more than God because more than you God, to you to you,

I do you know, I don't know the person more supermo that exists in this

world, in this this universe. Consideras that, okay, is, in your

mark of the is a god creator? He crea? I think yeah. He creates a murder?

I think he's a okay. Now, there's a there's a I'm interested because I'm not your level

of that I'm so I'm clear. You know you know you know you know

I'm not I'm sorry I'm so I'm so I'm you know I'm not no I'm

but I'm but for no time but you're not and I'm there's no

no no no problem there's a question in relation to the Santa Mwarte that occurs in other phenomena paranormal. Yes.

It's the simil that no exist in the non-existens. They are very there are very they're very are an endpoints that are in that

form for that you're going to you're going to the apertures, a new, is an entity demoniac. One entity

demoniac. Well, in the Marko Christian practically there's spirit human God, and angels

and the demons and no there's but not we don't put them a man a

dark, something something. It's a thing, he's that the death of

the death of a child to the world, to the way to be a form

for the form of the form of proceeding. You, in what you have lived

and in this sercement that's that's done, you sound this

something that could be a certain or no, diffieres of that? I differ. I'm in

some things. Like, for example, in the church, we're going to see, that any

that's that they say, yeah, say a phantas, yeah, a person or

or is a or what that you're going to say, you're going to be a demoniac.

Although not it is a person is very dogmatic and not had been experience

if you you try with with exorciists, no. It's

that's where I also because I mean, to whom we we do we know, we're

to we're in almost all the cases, I'll tell you know for experience you know

to a story of a family or an friend or an friend who was a entity in

a person that was a person that's going to go to the sacerlote oh you know

what he is a mano is a demonio is a demonio Oh, but it's a

demon. But it result of that they're and they were in the same

that they're where I have the conflict. Uh-huh. So, of what you can

do you know, that's, you know, is or not it. And, of the

other conflicto. Aha. That's, I'm going to other other

other side. Yes. Sacredotes that don't in endemone or persons

posited. That is a reality that to, at the day of today,

is a reality that is conflictuada because there is a division but is that there is this is too really loco. Those who are there are psychiatrars,

there are psychologists and there are exorcists that even with the father they've restirated he differed much of the dogma for the experience

and he says we're not we're talking to but no so his experience no it's a different

to completely in the Mark of creencers. If in the dogmas and the decisions and in

all point to do not to do you know, or he's contradice certain things of the institution

for experiences. It's that is a but are things very specific that not are

postures or so are the great who questions that the institution not has

resolved and that the sacerdote for that you don't you know any that's

the design or the things mysterious. But what what you

he says he, uh, no is dogma, it's your creency. It's not the great hole that the

institution that's not a new it's a postura that they've taken because they're under their

experience, ante the lack of experience. And they know, and they're just that's

where they're that's because by conflict political, the the Elessal and says, no,

no, it's if you don't know, because because you not has nothing

has nothing has have been people that's an I'm identifiable I'm a

know, but you still in this one so, I'm not so, that's

that you have a different and that's you're in those things, that's that's

that's the that's I'm don't me care to change the postures.

So, so, so, so, so, I think, because I think

that I'm going to have to have my sense of thinking, like

like any person of, like , like, and no

me I'm going to to see what no me quadra is that the people are just that

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It's a very clear. I'm this I'm this I'm so, but it's personal.

And is I'm going more for the fruit and the practice that that for the dogma

and the supposed basis of the that's the I'm doing the practice.

It's good. And my entor no favorizes and what I'm doing benefit in many

many senses and it's not only to me benefit to me and I'm to do it it's something

it's something that's a matter of long or plasor well, it's about well,

but I'm totally of course so those are the words and what you're doing this

is more even than what you or like for no, you're not,

but it's all the time the time the time the time the time or the

job or the work or the for the coonial to the car or the the brujerie

is a but I have my grujitos and there's there's there's there's

there's there's there's I'm I'm the postura of the of not

having a eye of the to be to be to be to be

to be what you it's what you suppose you there's there's

there's tradition absolute. But, well, we go in many years. But, well, we're going to the part atterrador. No, manches. I think, more than you're going to get some of the partikas. No,

I think we're going to get short- You're going to? You know, the platica? Sure. Yes. Okay. Let's see. Tell me, for I know how to ask them to. Quentam, some,

I've been to have you, you know, there's been to, my, and your family. That this is to totally the family nocturna. relato that you know

this is this was too of my mother or your mother or your mother? Okay, look,

I'm going to talk to things that are the things short as but I think they're

quite interesting. And I would like to me give to opinion. With

good. My mother attended to all type of people with

exception of persons posseidas because to her to come to this type of

person. She had the firm a creencia that only these people

these people posseous could be attended by persons religious not only not only

sacerdotes also they're pastors but that they're to be redaders

or fiel creyent of Christ because there are ones that are apparently

in one occasion they had a family a family they had a a

new. This new had a appearance normal. I mean, I was I'm going to

do you want to live and these and this this was this new was we've we've got

we're we're we're just we're just we're just we're just in the house

and in one occasion they're with the little so so much if you

were so if you're a bad so bad it was a

lavab. So, his response motorer, yeah no was a little, and he not had,

he had not used a paul the little, but for those times,

they were to get to get a panial. So, I was, I'm in a mother or

for us could be a time, well, for this time, I'm a little in a state

offensive, but they've been to presently it's a personation to So they said, you can't help us.

My mom always had a protocol, or so could say. Simply Discartar problems

medical. So, then then then after they they'd and then they'd

be they were, I'm to get me the reviso and say you know, you know,

you know, you know, this is for me? You know, in this case, it was quite

interesting because I said that she, but I I don't know what was. Yeah.

Or so, he used magic of the belas, he's ritual, he's so various

things, and not he was not it, not about the cause. So, ultimately

solicitable the family of the little, that was, that was a lot of things,

but you know, that was what's what's that was about, much.

Placicam and talk me, what's what's what did you, what did these days,

a my mom my mom had to eat to eat while they're

talking about and imagine they're worried with the little a little so in

a little they're they're they're not that's we're to do

at a funeral of a and say my mom and say

a let me let me we're we're we're we're we're

to the person and we we're we we're

we so I see that you coincide you quite in that there was

a funeral precisely I think they're going in this funeral this family cargando

his and curiously we're going with my father. My father never

was accompanied to because he was a taxista nocturno so

so in that occasion was a time. It was me

in his taxi, a grand marquis enormous. When we've gone there, I'm going to the lady in the room in and I'm

and I'm my mom, oh yeah, my mom, there's a woman that has a young to get a

and he's a little we're going to cure right. And I'm where you're going to do you go to get to

right? We're going to get to we never we never never left to pass pantions.

I want to think that it was because he had to do a job of so something's

something we could get with with us or it could impregnard when he back from the car when

they're going to enter for the arcos of this panteon we're we're talking about we're

we're talking to let us let us back papa mom let us go let us no here we can't

let's get let's me getens let's he back he'd the kid the child

the and the little and it's to pass to

to these arcos of the Panteon, which are some those are those very great, there are those other

times we're about to get to get from the car because we're going to an enhambre of behas

but but I'm saying that I'm not they're not even could be going to

the person that they had been in the carosa so so it passed

the pure carosa with all all the people all the people's

dispersed were they're they A disaster there. And we, we know we have to get to the car, preoccupated for tap all the rendihas of the car, and that we metier in the aviages.

And no we could pass. My mother, imagineate, this me seems incredible. Passed between all the enhambre of with the baby. The little in brazos. The child no, so he pared to any one, my mom, if he had behas in the brasos, in the roba.

And when it was a mark, of the pantheon of the pantheon the pantheon commenced to get to the name

of the like like Paco Paco said that so that's but

you're and it was you know that's like those famous audios

of the jorona that's that's so so so they see

so they imagine all the people that were around or they were

they were they to be my mom recorried all the panteon all the

pantheon grittando the name of the name of the incredible when you know when it's when it

is a man is a man who the man yeah he he's a

little to his mom to regress my mom to the taxi

to get the the guion of the the

abegas b let let let we we're we're

what on the and let's explain what what was what was so my

mom was a really really to the she she she

she was when a person so when we we

we we we're very perceptive we we we're

practically that third eye abired for so those

the people get to get demoniacas and all

these things the amigionaries, we're very perceptive as being so we're very perceptive to be able to

the children, to the pantheones because all being so perceptive, to have an aura so special, any other

entity can get you, you can't say, and it was the case. That's, that the

man, or the case of the people who do the spendings astrales. Yes,

he makes a little. He knows that a little bit of the same he could have how to

go back back. Exactly. The new no, I didn't come to and the manned

in the pantheon. Me you've got to roll the head with this relato.

It's tremendous. I don't me remember of that story. No,

I'm I'm and my mother had a special affinity for the

children. She ador the the new one one of them I've asked a guy

don't Paco that if someone no best he's he never he never he never

he was never he was and he was he was to talk about other that has to not he's not he's not

he not in any one occasion we've been in the transport public then

then was a combi of these grand type van we we we were

in those times my brother, the most little, that in the actuality has been

15 years, I'm a year, a year, a year and a year and a year and a year

we're in the transport. When when a person to the parada, he's

up to get to to get to to get to my mom to the man,

and this she's trying to make to make a brother. Oh,

that little so beautiful, that cachetone. My mom he's he's got

and he's he's done a matter. I mean me gave a lot of a man,

for favor comportat you, comportat mama was hard, it was very hard,

it was no, I don't me I'm going to just I'm I'm

to get with people cuck like this like so and I oh my

this I'm this I'm this I'm at this but no the

this no no to mention something that I'm that I'm I'm I'm

did I'm what he was that was that he gave to her was he so

he did so direct so so direct and in front of the

person so so this she she is so

she she So I was Voltaed. So she He dole- When we We got him

We didn't Do you? Mom, no, you'll do you say, Is that is that I'm Corage. This woman

Hegoled To all His Five. To All him? The

So, yeah, so like. I said, but you how do you know

you know, but you don't me don't you know you don't you know

so I don't So there I sense, you can't say, as far as

things of the people, only with with them, know, but she said that all this was going to

because he had a new a new development that was that I never had since

that's situations. Because one no, no can know of the thing,

but if you start certain certain things, and you start to do

do you do this way the way there's a moment in the you

will be a moment that you you're you're you're doing you're

you're in your case have been experiences personal paranormal apart of

the of the yeah very very you can share

if if we we're we do we all okay okay

okay okay okay okay this is this is quite this is

of the most because it's the I was in one occasion, I said that after a little

they gave to a little of a certain that we had been had been in our possession were the mother that when she

she fells these images were given, because not they were they were they were some people,

and I was there wasprened to whatever thing of the image of the Santa Morte. I was

more more preoccupied to get a family and then that all flueger well,

right? There was a time that when I was stable, after I was a few years, I said, well, I was going to buy a picture, a image of the Santa Morte.

I'm going to Guadalajara. I used to go much, pass me to be a lot, to the Plaza, Tapatia, and I went to the market of San Juan of God. Yeah.

When I go and I go and I'm like a tortita hogada in the first piece. I've never recorried the market complete because it's enormous.

It has a four pieces. If I'm a record, I'm a little bit more the first thing. And I'm going

there's images very beautiful of the Santa Morty. I still had that affinity for her, but

never had thought in having one. I'm a man who is over a motorcycle a motorcycle

chopper. No, it's made a beautiful. Hermose. And more because the motorcycle

was a It was a much to one that I had a image of the Santa Mewte

of the seven potences and I did I have to buy this is for me I'm

I'm and I said to the person that was these these images

that how much costable when me does it I'm it's

so but you don't you don't you don't you don't

you do you oh but how how not so, I go, I don't me

do you know, no, no, not you'll buy it in another occasion. I said,

well, it's for the money. He said, I'm not, I'm a man who was there

where I'm because the area where I live, are the artesan, waracheros, he was

he was over and I said, yeah, I'll do the money, me,

I'm, I'm, I'm, a person I'm, I'm, I'm a little,

let me, and I'm, say, no, the comp. I go, no, then there's the money,

dammeda. And me he's, well, how do you the prepare? Because they're or they

are you to make me to make me, prepare me to have to have a don't, I'm, I'm going to

put on those offrendas but I don't know I'm going to me the time, I said, take much

care, and I'm go. Passed some months, I'm in those

times, I am I so I'm medical. So in those moments, I was

working in the base local of my city. And there, in those times, I was I was

a little rentable, rentable a space that was just in this station of the cross-roha,

that was a postadito. So I paid a renta there and practically me kept a lot of

the job, that was my job of day. In one occasion, I never

never let be the belles preendid of the day. So,

always was very very very very good. I'm the

image, you know, where the image was a little was a

little repis and the piece was a put a monetas

were my offerings. There are many monas. So there was

all the image over a mountain of the money of the

money I go, I do all in order

nothing, not of the encendied as I repeat I'm I'm a

guardia to the area of socorros and of a real person to say oh yeah you know what

you know you know there's a where more my room? We're going and so

it's all all the door no see nothing but there even even see nothing

I know the place what I'm what I'm preoccupied were my instruments musicals

that are quite the instruments I'm I started to start those when I

I was I was I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure let me pass

I'm going to make a man I'm a little little and you see a little

and the repis where was the Santa Morty Amid Flamas

much much cold where was the image and these

flamas on the part of there was a repis more great.

That this had like some some of the tels, these cells were in some of the

other people and there had a and the legos. The toys of the Lego,

they were getting in sillions and the sillions and the cellions and they were

if I had been that repis up, it's that can't

the pure image and no doesn't yeah. I I intended to

do my hands there I'm trying things to the piece and I'm

doing to do you know, but when I'm down to the house

I'm know that the plastic in my hand. And I took

chemuras second and third grade. The medical I've said that

me had said, me to get to with the lastimated not going to be to

have to have been normal and I'm was probably but

unfortunately no no no in reconstruction of man, and then, but no, it's not,

or so, all, all, all, it's this. I'm there's a little,

but no, no, no, so I'm not in reality nothing. When we back, when we're

seeing count that we're very things that were quite interesting. With the humo,

they generated some, some different in all the part, like if was the

murder, encapuched, not it the car like a calaver, no, it was

a and with arms abjured that's it's it's we're saying

how how? And the image of the Santa Morte disappeared disappeared

it disappeared no there nothing you know what we we found the

lot of the money that were down of fundied they're found found

that's the repis was so and just where the image

of the same was So, all the space of the above. It's found. It's only the bottom.

And the image disappeared. You know, what you did this? After that's, figgated, that when we

did the first chapter here with the people, where I was the experience, I had some some of the

theories, because people who do you have adoration to the Santa Morte, me

they're to do. And, until this moment, there are two, two theories.

One. that is incredible the two. The first is that I don't have to have the image a less of that

not that not used to not really because that was her function when I was a present that I

was that I was impregnated of certain energies of my mother that they were

that even in the image maybe for that person of the market no me I wanted

but no I don't know the second This this interpretation I've gottube for Yamarash

that I'm a person that's completely involved with the Santa Morte and me did a

interesting that not only certainly that's not with the santa but with any other

saint with any other other deity with what you want even even even

even even even even I say when the images

are that are fractured they're they're they're they're

they're or what they're they're they're they're they're because

these they're to get to get a thing that's that's

the animals the animals practically in my house or

the plantas possibly it was also the image of the

same the there there to get to a

limit it he came How much time you had to So when you So it was

So that It's like Three months Three months Very little For situations For situations of Time and for

The situations Technicic We're going to To cut to make a Merecta I think If other

Circustances If this Woulder This would be Six hours Fastelment For There's

There's And I I think I'm to visit To finish To I'm

You know You know You know You know How Traasasas How you're You're

very a good a good a good. I'm a quite. I'm very much

the stories that you're about your life, your aperture in these things that are really difficult,

and those points of views. I like much much the, how your observations and all we're

we're going to we're going to get the truth of absolutely, no, it's the opportunity to

be a point of different realitys that exist in this that's the world.

That's that you. That's that. I'm Thank you. And to the family nocturna

and I wish a good time and that have a good time and