HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - Historias de Espíritus Malignos y Lugares Malditos | Ft. Papá Oso | Ep 176

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Bienvenida Familia Nocturna a este episodio tan esperado... llegamos a la meta de likes!! Y como lo prometido es deuda les preparamos un TUTIFRUTI MALDITO en este Duelo de Historias con el buen @papao...socomediante377 .Escucha la vivencia de un miembro de la familia nocturna que se dio cuenta que conoció a una poseída cuando empezó a escuchar @HABLEMOSDELOQUENOEXISTE ; te contamos el relatos de una persona cargaba con una aterradora alma errante también conocida como Dibbuk; hay historias de ouija y espíritus malignos rondan en un hotel maldito; personas con dones y maldiciones familiares.. así que llegó el momento de que @hablemosdeloquenoexiste Hablemos de lo que no existe es un canal de you tube con el formato podcast que comenzó en abril del 2022 su primer episodio fue vivo en un casa embrujada en el que una chica narro sus vivencias y sucesos paranormales a lo largo de 20 años en la casa de sus padres, desde ese episodio hablemos de lo que no existe ha marcado una tendencia en exponer casos paranormales de personas comunes que viven en diferentes partes del mundo. Ice Murdock es el conductor o host de este canal, durante casi 100 episodios no apareció, nadie conoció su rostro y la comunidad de este canal , la familia nocturna creó teorías acerca de quién era el dueño de esa voz. Hablemos de lo que no existe se destaca por tener apertura ante las opiniones experiencias y vivencias de cada uno de los invitados. La comunidad de este canal es conocida como la familia nocturna, de hecho por estar leyendo o escuchando esto tu ya eres miembro de la familia nocturna.. bienvenido El duelo de historias es un concepto que se creó en el canal @Hablemosdeloquenoexiste, idea original del narrador, se estrenó en el episodio "Comité de la Muerte ,historias de Hospitales" el 1 de junio de 2023 y empezó a implementarse formalmente en el episodio "Abrí la puerta a un Demonio" el 11 de Enero de 2024 ; consiste en un duelo entre Narradores, una dinámica sencilla, donde cada uno cuenta una historia y busca superar a la anterior y al final la familia nocturna nos comparte en comentarios cual fue la historia más aterradora. En este canal se relatan historias de terror paranormales, sobrenaturales y reales, prepárate para conocer el miedo de una forma en la que nunca lo habías experimentado .

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Starting point is 00:00:41 revelation of a secret of that person. He had the things occultas. They'd have six exorcisms with the young. The young had
Starting point is 00:00:48 had been much, and in the conversation with this entity, with this demonio, that maybe was one or
Starting point is 00:00:54 various, it's reveled. Welcome to Family Nocturna to this new episode of Let Meas of what
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Starting point is 00:02:06 to be in the question. With the story with this story related with exorcism,
Starting point is 00:02:13 liberations and if me permit? Adelante for favor,
Starting point is 00:02:16 we we hear that the case. The case is the
Starting point is 00:02:21 Carlos Martini, a storceister, and Carlos Martini not is prepared to still a exorcist
Starting point is 00:02:31 in the camp of action so is that has to have to take certain precautions.
Starting point is 00:02:37 The chick has about that she has a tragedy very very hard in the
Starting point is 00:02:41 pastas the past months. She lost her her and she did it
Starting point is 00:02:46 did a reason to so it's a family and a a man and a
Starting point is 00:02:50 man he was he offered day that went to live that the place the thing
Starting point is 00:02:59 things started to occur to occur to be very very she
Starting point is 00:03:02 she there there was a little was a
Starting point is 00:03:06 very very very very very but in the moment in the
Starting point is 00:03:11 moment in that was only something was it was
Starting point is 00:03:16 very very very very very because she was she
Starting point is 00:03:21 had to start to And I'd start to make sense of ideas that maybe it was some type of paranoia, maybe it was the situation that dunger that had passed two
Starting point is 00:03:29 years. And I'd start to doubt of his perceptions. Of each, I'd get to think, if not was going to be
Starting point is 00:03:35 a lot of stress and of many times. But it was rare because this not occurred all the time.
Starting point is 00:03:41 It was in different moments of the day. And there there were moments in those that sensation
Starting point is 00:03:45 was accentuable. When it was the moment in the time in the that house, there was something
Starting point is 00:03:52 escaled. What happened? Where there messes, where there repisas, in those that were objects
Starting point is 00:04:00 that were days or some days or those objects were going to, they were on the piece.
Starting point is 00:04:06 And she began to get to get to the place. And not she was
Starting point is 00:04:11 she was that she came to a tragedy very hard, it's a a sensation
Starting point is 00:04:17 of vulnerability tremendous. when is in this situation now with fear,
Starting point is 00:04:23 there's something that really makes that she he has that she has
Starting point is 00:04:31 to sound in that the sound in that the sound the sound the sound the
Starting point is 00:04:39 sound he roba the calm he's he's a sustus in moments and then
Starting point is 00:04:44 then she starts to investigate of where he comes and a day is
Starting point is 00:04:47 a sound, it's a house to your room, a house in
Starting point is 00:04:51 that she has tried to have not not enter because the he's
Starting point is 00:04:56 that's a house, she was she was she was she was a
Starting point is 00:05:00 kind of so it was that she was that the music she
Starting point is 00:05:05 was to be to open the door and he
Starting point is 00:05:08 and a repisa a a little a little
Starting point is 00:05:12 little little a carita the cajita the And the skin
Starting point is 00:05:18 the skin is a dog in the sand and the back to get a a lot of
Starting point is 00:05:22 the time, he's he's he's getting to the piled the
Starting point is 00:05:28 batteries, he gets that the sound disappear and not put it and not
Starting point is 00:05:34 the house. The cage it seems like puttriable on tornil or pegated or like if
Starting point is 00:05:40 had a so much that was impossible for her to get that
Starting point is 00:05:43 simply thinking in that is, that that's the thing is that's
Starting point is 00:05:49 that's in the way, she's not that she's not a time in a moment, is it
Starting point is 00:05:56 is going to and it and it is a mechanism internal generate those melodies
Starting point is 00:06:00 that's the moment in the moment in the he's it, it's there's
Starting point is 00:06:05 a calm, a calm, a pass tremendous, it's and at
Starting point is 00:06:10 the moment to the time, the the case the music the
Starting point is 00:06:13 thing, a From from there, I'm a game of the cato and the raton.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Every that she is thinking that the caja musical not has sonated, the caja
Starting point is 00:06:22 comes to sound. Every time she is that she is a really vulnerable,
Starting point is 00:06:26 the the caja. It's like if she could be a kind of like
Starting point is 00:06:30 and she really to do that she really really there really there
Starting point is 00:06:34 really that's because it I'm the way the every that's
Starting point is 00:06:39 all the thing that sonar. And no there's no mechanism that is actually no way to do you know,
Starting point is 00:06:45 so it's that's when decided to get to get to some church. Termina with the Father Carlos
Starting point is 00:06:53 Martin, a sacerote that is initiating these experiences to develop his ministry
Starting point is 00:06:58 of exorcism. So, he says, you have to talk a case, it's a case, it
Starting point is 00:07:03 is a case not relevant and you need and you need to a case really
Starting point is 00:07:08 related with a or simply is a person with another type of problem. He, he's a
Starting point is 00:07:16 person and there's something that's very strange. And that is a certain that is a kind of a two little
Starting point is 00:07:24 factors. The first, the chick about very well, with much auto-control. The words that are
Starting point is 00:07:32 corrects. Not is a person alterated. No is a person that is a person that is a cargated,
Starting point is 00:07:37 he's a manojo of nerves. is a person that's a person who has studied is a person very intelligent a person that
Starting point is 00:07:44 could you could have a conversation casual any day and would be a conversation that that's not normal.
Starting point is 00:07:50 The second is that she is that she says, I don't know if this has to be with the
Starting point is 00:07:56 demonio or has to have been with that my case but for favor
Starting point is 00:08:00 helpen me and said that's my question because in the cases that I've read
Starting point is 00:08:05 the while I have given my apprenticeship, to me made me made it
Starting point is 00:08:08 very clear that when a person pereces in his faculties, it's very difficult
Starting point is 00:08:12 that I do of the self of the person. So, I decided to do
Starting point is 00:08:16 the hand and I'm to do that that case, something I got
Starting point is 00:08:22 that was that things went that things definitely not
Starting point is 00:08:25 to be some kind of something was more than a kind of
Starting point is 00:08:29 a kind of she malign she she she she
Starting point is 00:08:37 in the the ventilator of being totally fixed, it's a move to get
Starting point is 00:08:42 to get over to get to get to move to get a little more rapidly. And in the moment in the
Starting point is 00:08:49 cruised the umbral, that's transformed in a turbine of an carp and it
Starting point is 00:08:53 and it just the paper, revista, roba that was that was about it
Starting point is 00:08:58 was he went to and they went to after the after they were instantly
Starting point is 00:09:04 like they were have put a front of hand. I said that in that house
Starting point is 00:09:08 there's a car's there's a I'm going to make my resos, my plagues, and in the
Starting point is 00:09:13 moment in that the water and I'm the car musical, I've seen the this story
Starting point is 00:09:20 that this woman had told me know that it was a real and the
Starting point is 00:09:26 woman, I'm really to be and it's that maldita caja is that maldita
Starting point is 00:09:29 music. That's that I have been that I've been that
Starting point is 00:09:31 I'm favor, help me. I went to the room in the car to be the little
Starting point is 00:09:37 little cajita in the little little the plegarias of liberation, all venting the water bendita,
Starting point is 00:09:43 the caja got to sonar. He put the hand on the same, and the car was
Starting point is 00:09:47 the instant. Yeah, no, there was no more sound. And a sensation
Starting point is 00:09:52 of calm regress to the place. The caja the car I was
Starting point is 00:09:57 not had any a piece. It was like was like so
Starting point is 00:09:59 it was where I was where I was the cage was totally basically and there no one
Starting point is 00:10:07 no time there was no there no way that that that caja provokas sonnors
Starting point is 00:10:13 that was the first encounter of Carlos martini with the diablo and his
Starting point is 00:10:19 manifestations extraordinary and this has been the well the man the
Starting point is 00:10:23 master of the question to the world of this very well very
Starting point is 00:10:28 very very great story very very impressive it
Starting point is 00:10:32 has to be with some aspects of the most peculiar of the phenomenon of the sedio demoniac. There are various phenomena that are in a possession demoniac and that are from the more lighters to the most profound. One of them, the initial, is the asedio, more known as circumdati, where occurs in many little phenomena that have this characteristic of a game, like,
Starting point is 00:10:57 you put go, you loquito, you, I'm puro the door, you make feel that I'm a little thing you do you're
Starting point is 00:11:05 very interesting what I'm have been and obviously coming to Carlos Martini is something
Starting point is 00:11:10 and well me would be going to start about the first exorcism Christian I know
Starting point is 00:11:18 that's a realat modern but it's a matter retomarlo because the first
Starting point is 00:11:23 exorcism has to have to do the elements that today many years
Starting point is 00:11:28 after years after years they're considering for the phenomenon of the
Starting point is 00:11:32 possession demoniac and the first exorcism obviously he's he's
Starting point is 00:11:35 the first exorcism Christian I'd to declare that the Christian because
Starting point is 00:11:40 not before the first of the first exorcism Christian is when Jesus
Starting point is 00:11:47 and his apostles are visiting the Mar of Galilea that
Starting point is 00:11:52 in reality is a lag they're in the area of that the
Starting point is 00:11:55 site are there are there are people and, and of
Starting point is 00:11:59 a Jesus Christ he's very and it's the idea great the idea of a lot of a
Starting point is 00:12:06 barquita, that not is a barco, but a barquita, with a bellita, and we
Starting point is 00:12:12 go to Gadara. Gadara was the city that was at the other extreme of where
Starting point is 00:12:17 they were to be to know all that all that the night.
Starting point is 00:12:22 And well those disciples, well, is the master that we let us
Starting point is 00:12:27 go and they They're sube all. And the barquita that you know, and Jesus Christ he's a curruca for there, he's made a swenito. And, while he's chained a tornado, and that he's put down the nabot, because they're undying. The poor
Starting point is 00:12:40 hombres, those, total, that someone he says, Maestro, we're mortgues, we're and we're just, and Jesus Christ, he says, well, and then, and yeah. So, yeah, he'll get, calm, the torment. No, so quite, and they're navigating. It was a night very intense. It's a
Starting point is 00:12:55 And then, and now more or at the morning, midiodia of the day next,
Starting point is 00:13:00 they're going to the or the city of the city of Gadara.
Starting point is 00:13:05 And well, when they're going to there, it's going to the
Starting point is 00:13:09 time, and of there comes to you a subject of the
Starting point is 00:13:13 most strange. There one version of the of the
Starting point is 00:13:22 had. All the city was these they were, they were they were in
Starting point is 00:13:25 the stubs, and they were in the crypts and they're arounded of the other people
Starting point is 00:13:32 because they're a lot of a lot of many times. They had been subjected with with crissets.
Starting point is 00:13:39 It was a little primitiva, it was realists, no, but the Romanos
Starting point is 00:13:44 not they were with chikitas so they were to do do they allaridos,
Starting point is 00:13:48 well, the greeeters, the and resulta that they were They had not had problem in them, rompied the cadenas,
Starting point is 00:13:56 they'd what they'd pegged to the gana. But, more even, and they'd by the night, and down the aridos similar to those of the besties, to the animals of the desert. It was a thing that spantable all the world.
Starting point is 00:14:09 The Gadaran, the people of the Gadarra, I knew that not could go to go to the and not could come in the area of the cemeterios of that area, because they'd these and
Starting point is 00:14:19 they'd, and it was that the force. And it was, that they could contain them. No could, even were they were men, they were
Starting point is 00:14:27 at the force of this possession of this thing, that were indomables. And of a moment Jesus gets,
Starting point is 00:14:35 boom, he atora the barquita and he he back to the barquita, he's not
Starting point is 00:14:40 to be someone, if they're to come to make a part human of Jesus Christ
Starting point is 00:14:45 he's preoccupable for things that so much they were to be on the
Starting point is 00:14:51 barquita, all the night, and they're looking to dinner when when they're when they're
Starting point is 00:14:54 when they're any of the first of the other of the first of those of the endemoneated that they're
Starting point is 00:15:01 going to and they're under the whole of the world because also they've had gotten
Starting point is 00:15:07 other people who heard the rumor of the come in they're they're they're
Starting point is 00:15:12 they're they're to say they they're we're we're you're because you
Starting point is 00:15:17 because of you're He's reclamand. Obviously, they're who in who were. And reclamandle, they're saying, for favor, let us. Let's let us in peace. We're not done anything. No, we've done with you. Jesus Christ
Starting point is 00:15:30 says categorically. I'll ask them that abandoning this body. And those demonios respondent saying, that no they're saying, that why, that there's too.
Starting point is 00:15:42 And it's when he's when he's asked his name. Jesus Christ question what is your name? To what that's your name? The name is legion, because we're many. Is that's the same,
Starting point is 00:15:56 that those who were those who were people, or that the world, I'm going, I'm going to, you're going to abandoning this body. The response is, for favor, don't know the opportunity
Starting point is 00:16:07 of that we'llgamous to this body to those herds that are there. There was there, there a piaara of cerdos, that we'll just Christ
Starting point is 00:16:17 says, Adelante, abandoning this body and they're going to the cerdos, and resulta that the cerdos so enloquess and they're lancen
Starting point is 00:16:25 to the mar of Galilea, to the water, and they're aboged. RBC Training Ground has discovered potential in over
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Starting point is 00:16:52 immediately, is correct. They're cured, completely. They're vised and they sitan with Jesus Christ. When they're going the pastors, they're to look down to those serdos and they're reclimate and it's a lot of the people, well, there's a moment in the barque-and-a-and-the-virted and they went to the barque-out, because the people no entedio what
Starting point is 00:17:09 had occurred there. But that first exorcism, us gave various lessons that have continued using to the long
Starting point is 00:17:16 of many years of the exorcism and the work for part of the
Starting point is 00:17:21 church the first of those those were sansonism that is
Starting point is 00:17:27 a characteristic particular of the people endemon there
Starting point is 00:17:30 was sansonism second there there there knowledge there
Starting point is 00:17:34 was that they were to get Jesus and
Starting point is 00:17:38 for ultimately they recognized the power divino that is another characteristic
Starting point is 00:17:43 of the endemoneados that is the erognosis the erognosis is the discernment about objects sacreds
Starting point is 00:17:50 if you to a demoniado you present a bottle and you rosy as that is the water of
Starting point is 00:17:57 the light of the water but if you do it's a good that's the first
Starting point is 00:18:04 exorcism did that the poutes and that, casuallyly, they called to Jesus Christ in his language nativa, what he significable that, also,
Starting point is 00:18:14 the characteristic that she had also of the endemoneados known as senoglossia. Always had been the question of, why those he left?
Starting point is 00:18:23 That's the did you? Why not he was made direct to, to the infirno, to where?
Starting point is 00:18:29 And not clear. The response not is clear. Also, there is the question, why?
Starting point is 00:18:34 Why? Why were you're the cerdos? Why are you are going to and they're to be in the water?
Starting point is 00:18:40 To get to be able to get to nade to a river, for example. Why have you have been done that's terrible? And is that
Starting point is 00:18:47 when a body is occupied by a demonio, for example, in the case of a person human, it can affect
Starting point is 00:18:53 gravely. But the essence human is much more more than the can be in an
Starting point is 00:18:59 animalito. But at the same time, the terrible of this is that we is that we can't
Starting point is 00:19:04 ever that can be occupied the the animals that result more more dangerous
Starting point is 00:19:12 when we about we're a phenomenon of this nature and if they can they can
Starting point is 00:19:16 occupy because the natural of the animal not so they're they're
Starting point is 00:19:21 if you imagine if you imagine if you would think you think that we're
Starting point is 00:19:26 about a giganteesco per feros. And for some reason, with one of these demons. What would be? So, so, the first exorcism is very
Starting point is 00:19:37 impressionant. Those endemoneados were there. And, of course, of the Kafernaum, which is another case, even in this dynamic, is the second exorcism
Starting point is 00:19:48 Christian, when Jesus Christ came to the synagogue, and resulta that there, in Kafernaum, in the city, there was an endemone that accediava to all and to all
Starting point is 00:19:56 agedia and the and it wasulted that was in front of the synagogue. That's In terms of general That a Sometimes the demons
Starting point is 00:20:05 Can't be so Firtes that get to Mets In the temples So is that I have to Have got to
Starting point is 00:20:12 Cuelled With this Let's Let's say To let us Let's Let's of what Noxist
Starting point is 00:20:17 What No Relatow The Manifestations Extraordinates of the Demonio Um
Starting point is 00:20:24 without some something crisp the skin, makes that we question about the
Starting point is 00:20:30 reality in the that we live and there a type of manifestation extraordinary
Starting point is 00:20:36 that during much time I've had documentation in to do to do
Starting point is 00:20:41 that it and say and just for this episode me toped with
Starting point is 00:20:47 a video of TV in Chile a video a video that the people can
Starting point is 00:20:50 go to be to this episode there in the
Starting point is 00:20:53 in the group of persons, some exorcists, or in an exorcist, a priest, a priest, a priest, a priest, a priest, a priest, a priest, a priest, start to
Starting point is 00:21:01 talk about different cases in those that they've been present and start the different manifestations. There are manifestations
Starting point is 00:21:08 extraordinary that are very very important. So, for many the other hasardotes have been
Starting point is 00:21:14 an effect very particular and has done, things like the levitation, like when the
Starting point is 00:21:22 people arastrarses, asemeyn't a seeming movement of serpientes. One historian said
Starting point is 00:21:28 that one of his first encounters for him was brutal and it's when he was a little
Starting point is 00:21:33 a little that was contained for six people. That was the first time that I
Starting point is 00:21:38 saw that was a person and I think that was one of those manifestations. And then
Starting point is 00:21:43 when they started to do the when they started to retorsersersers to move to move
Starting point is 00:21:48 a gusano and then like if the gravity not they're of
Starting point is 00:21:52 the other she said, I'm doing any of any of the way, she
Starting point is 00:21:57 got to get to the teech. And so it was something impactant. It was something traumatic.
Starting point is 00:22:03 It was a little very strong. And I understood the power of these manifestations.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Justly the sacdotes are of that that the idea of this manifestation
Starting point is 00:22:13 has to be a demonio and trying to do the demon and intent to do
Starting point is 00:22:17 the people that are being being aterrador spectacle be over-coged
Starting point is 00:22:24 and the fear and invade a but there a case in the special of a
Starting point is 00:22:30 type of manifestation that I mean it's just for what I mentioned I don't
Starting point is 00:22:35 know was a documented or no and in that program it was
Starting point is 00:22:39 they're there there position or exist indisis of
Starting point is 00:22:45 possession by the so and in this case was
Starting point is 00:22:49 something was They're talking about a She said That's about The context of The past Of course
Starting point is 00:22:57 But she's She's about She's about that She's about that She's visiting two women and These women are bestied with
Starting point is 00:23:07 Ropa of Epoca, the man also No, there's a But her only Presence is something Spantos, she
Starting point is 00:23:15 They're They're very intranquila At the point in which That's Those Not are a dreams normal. Conform
Starting point is 00:23:22 they're advancing, sheenty that these presences, that these figures, that these
Starting point is 00:23:27 people, they're being to her. They're that problem with that's
Starting point is 00:23:33 a barrier on the moment on the one of her one of that's one of that's
Starting point is 00:23:42 there's a barrier that there and they're there's in the
Starting point is 00:23:46 world in one of these the other the the woman, he's a
Starting point is 00:23:53 mark the rostro of this chick. She, she'll get her morning and the
Starting point is 00:23:56 marcus these are made, made by a cutio just in his rostro.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And there two markers that are very very are three are the
Starting point is 00:24:05 one in a position normal, the other is a right and the manifestations
Starting point is 00:24:11 are going to make other form. Yeah not only the invasion
Starting point is 00:24:14 for the invasion, the invasion is in the world real.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Yeah, not is the only testigo that maybe is doing a and it's not a lot of
Starting point is 00:24:21 it's like that's all that's not really and you're doing the attention. No.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Now, in the school in the school in the people, there people who are people
Starting point is 00:24:33 in their house that are people and this child. And this she's
Starting point is 00:24:40 she has she's yeah, to have different things things, so
Starting point is 00:24:43 they're not, so it's could have some type of help spiritual. They're
Starting point is 00:24:48 going to with some the other and they're doing these other and they're doing a
Starting point is 00:24:51 little the child she's to make to make sure what she is a kind of
Starting point is 00:24:58 that she's not a degree and what this is actually but it is a
Starting point is 00:25:05 situation like the xenoglosia and she has to get a situation in the
Starting point is 00:25:09 and he hasoted the piece and she has to the people that are around
Starting point is 00:25:15 of the details of those that nobody he had ever never
Starting point is 00:25:17 never never never so this this case after
Starting point is 00:25:21 the moment of the not not is the day
Starting point is 00:25:24 of the one of the exor but just it
Starting point is 00:25:29 the first the first was by a so
Starting point is 00:25:34 that terrible that terrible because it is that
Starting point is 00:25:41 we're that sometimes we obviously in this state
Starting point is 00:25:45 when when it For sure, is where most easily is the contact with the people during the times.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Obviously, we're more vulnerable for the asedio. What this chick has lived is very impressive and
Starting point is 00:25:59 and they can resolve it because of the contrary, it can occur what he was a Clara Germana
Starting point is 00:26:04 Celle, that is another history that I would like to talk to and that has been
Starting point is 00:26:08 to have talked. Clara Germana Celle is a case that is a amplially at the
Starting point is 00:26:14 beginning of the century 20 and all this transcurred in 1996 in Natal
Starting point is 00:26:21 South Africa in the south of the continent African in the mission
Starting point is 00:26:27 of San Miguel Archangel there there was a chick a chick original
Starting point is 00:26:32 a girl they were they're a chifir is a a child in a installation
Starting point is 00:26:41 religious primarily of people and also was an woman, the chica had been
Starting point is 00:26:47 there after the mother of the parents when he was four years. Practically not knew to his family
Starting point is 00:26:53 his family was the own the other congregation, the monks, the and the
Starting point is 00:26:58 other other companions that result were casually many of them of the
Starting point is 00:27:04 colonisators of the people European that was there this young
Starting point is 00:27:08 had a problem multiple. For one part, the asedio that of being the child of the child
Starting point is 00:27:17 black, for other other side, even the property originaria, that was in the mission. She was a little segregated because was the wherfanita, for this, for the other,
Starting point is 00:27:29 her condition not very good. Auna si was an an alumna, promedio. It was a person common. Not we're going to say that was a chick a girl, a lot of her pietad marvelous,
Starting point is 00:27:39 was a person absolutely common. After that the proper Monjas began to know that something to
Starting point is 00:27:45 do that that's quite during the night, justly, when all the night when all the
Starting point is 00:27:51 world was to do that the room and was there was to start to hear and these
Starting point is 00:27:57 the ruses and they were the attention because not it was simply risas,
Starting point is 00:28:02 platicas or things that could be there to some chicas, not? The abutations
Starting point is 00:28:06 were comparted and a sometimes the holgory there was very good with the
Starting point is 00:28:11 cutille of the you, the way you, this was different, the ruses were rare, and when the monja
Starting point is 00:28:15 opened the door, the woman was there, she was there was there was there, but the
Starting point is 00:28:20 other three that were in the same apartment, they were in a room
Starting point is 00:28:23 horrized like changito being that this woman began to be a weird
Starting point is 00:28:29 of animals. Extraion of animals that were that were even to the monjas. The issue is that in that not only
Starting point is 00:28:37 it was that sheka began to live the episodes similar to the case related, in where, de-pronto, he was made and he said a barbarity to someone, but resulta
Starting point is 00:28:49 that barbarity was a revelation of a secret of that person. He knew the things occultas. And obviously that people had their secretitos.
Starting point is 00:28:59 And, of this little time of the food, it was a bocasharro to someone, his infidelities,
Starting point is 00:29:07 his pecados, his pecados, to the point in that they were to get to make, but that's going to
Starting point is 00:29:12 be a symptom classical. One of the phenomena classics of one of the person that is
Starting point is 00:29:18 now under possession demoniac is the clarividency. Saber secretos of the
Starting point is 00:29:24 people, know, things that are not the case, and obviously those
Starting point is 00:29:29 sonnids in the nights the point that they were separated
Starting point is 00:29:31 the groups, they were to be in a area special, and then that you became to
Starting point is 00:29:36 a lot of because this woman in the night did the run of the
Starting point is 00:29:40 lions, but all together. The Monjas entered in panic.
Starting point is 00:29:45 And then the other the other feo, in where this womancita they
Starting point is 00:29:51 they were they were and all the world was going to the
Starting point is 00:29:55 force decumunal that could ostent the phenomenon of
Starting point is 00:29:58 the Because in this convento, in this mission religious, there were many people interested in this theme, and they were to see. And, of those reunions, while the monjitas is tan that you, reza that you, resa, that I, and he goes to floater to a meter 50. A levitation very documented, the declarer, Germana Cele,
Starting point is 00:30:23 because the testigos that were there, did testimony, did it, participatory in redacted an informe ecclesiastic for that's a He was authorizing, but they were to be able to the two forms
Starting point is 00:30:38 putting to get a 150. The levitation also is a form classic of these phenomena and also was the asedio. Dentro of the
Starting point is 00:30:47 phases that are before the possession is tall obsession in where the pensions are and they're that could be the case of the
Starting point is 00:30:53 sonnions initial of that sheka, the obsession. Then you the bejation, the physical, the lesions,
Starting point is 00:31:00 all this, in the camine, in get to get to panic that you the position, as a unique way of a
Starting point is 00:31:07 way of the a trap. And a Clara Germana Cele he passed that was being assediated. Depronto,
Starting point is 00:31:14 she was being flotando. And obviously was in panic. De pronto, at the night of the night was, and
Starting point is 00:31:22 those animals that the rest of the world had, she was, she was, like if were there,
Starting point is 00:31:26 not her her, then, all these phenomena external, that would enterian into the
Starting point is 00:31:32 phenomenon of the circumdati, that is there that's going to get to get to the possession. She said,
Starting point is 00:31:39 she said, having made a fact to in the middle of that because, the mission was out of
Starting point is 00:31:46 the natal, not was in the city, was out of the world, it was in the dark of all,
Starting point is 00:31:52 and in that the first of Then she began the problems feos. But she conserved, as well he occurred in all the cases, conserved a dejo of reason. And one of those tardes entered,
Starting point is 00:32:06 corriending, looking to the Monja Superior to ask her to please to call to the Father, to the sacerdote, that needed to confess
Starting point is 00:32:12 because he had a pacto with the demonio, and in that instant she started and start to retorcerse and to
Starting point is 00:32:18 start things raras and to comporting as if were a serpent. The Monja enter in panico and he
Starting point is 00:32:23 She'll goreting them, and gawares, it's all the velocity to to look at the curate. And if when he
Starting point is 00:32:30 comes to a curing, Clara Germana is in a special monologue extra. Because,
Starting point is 00:32:34 for one part, it's the voice of the little that the thing, and
Starting point is 00:32:37 that's like, like, and then a voice strange-as- gutural profound,
Starting point is 00:32:43 that transform even the rostro, saying, he has done, that what has done,
Starting point is 00:32:48 he has done, and she responded, saying, me- got, like if Stubier
Starting point is 00:32:52 talking with the demonio It's a moment terrible. All the people
Starting point is 00:32:56 were in the demonio disputing because the demonio he had promised
Starting point is 00:33:00 that would be able of all that was and now was the and it was when
Starting point is 00:33:05 finally it's after after after the different that
Starting point is 00:33:10 the he's also the exorcism. The exorcism the exorcism
Starting point is 00:33:16 the father an exus I don't recall now the appellee of the Italian but he authorize the exorcism
Starting point is 00:33:25 and it first are the liberations initiales, the benitions and then the exorcism all the
Starting point is 00:33:33 long of all the day, from the day after the anocheser and finally
Starting point is 00:33:38 he be to be to be to be they're on it and she
Starting point is 00:33:43 can't comeulgar and assistir to the church. Confesarsearse and he's considered liberated. During the ritual of the exorcism,
Starting point is 00:33:51 however, there were things phenomenal. Because the chick, of pronto, commenced to levita and they tried to get her into all, for that not they were because they'd have that idea that in some moment, he would
Starting point is 00:34:01 escape. But no, they'd lograble to get. Nowhally, it was a little bit more if it was a animal, like if it was transformed into an
Starting point is 00:34:09 animal, it was even one of the Monjas that he was subjecting received a Mordedura. No pired to see these
Starting point is 00:34:16 these little details are clavis. The mordedura is clave because that woman not could be mordid
Starting point is 00:34:22 if really were the Monja, what he said that was, because then would be in vestida
Starting point is 00:34:29 and not would beckable. But the pussedure was similar to the picardura in a
Starting point is 00:34:35 serpent. It's what readacted in the informe. But, well, all you
Starting point is 00:34:39 were felices a pair of days after when she regressed to the calm and you said that you said you're going to the history
Starting point is 00:34:45 and you you're saying you're saying that with that they're doing that they're doing a partidita with the
Starting point is 00:34:54 diablo that if if they're in a jugadita or if they're doing a or if they they're done
Starting point is 00:35:00 with that they're with the he's the not. No is so and not it's a
Starting point is 00:35:04 and no passed because Clara Germana Celle It still being assidied because an exorcism can do not be a reason why a
Starting point is 00:35:15 god's of water and a benditia and a bendicion it's quit no she will in the case and it and the case
Starting point is 00:35:23 particular of Clara Germana Cele more after that soon they were the soon they're back
Starting point is 00:35:30 those sensations the father Horner was always in an exorcism of a day yeah we did it was a
Starting point is 00:35:36 It was a very, but it was a day, and that that woman came, and the year next they were to repeat the exorcism. And, for the whole world was happy, although it was two days. And in the second day, when finally all of us, we've done,
Starting point is 00:35:54 yeah we did, and the environment, it was a lower nauseabund, that provoked that allot that allude had to have had to be set tal, because it was that was a million mortals, and only was that that's a delgatita
Starting point is 00:36:06 morinita chica of origin African in the middle and well two days yeah
Starting point is 00:36:12 well you're all and the life and then they're in a
Starting point is 00:36:16 error garrafal because Matthew the evangelist narrs a
Starting point is 00:36:20 particular in where when a person is liberated the
Starting point is 00:36:27 demonio is and he and he begins to
Starting point is 00:36:30 vagar when when he can get to vagar.
Starting point is 00:36:35 He says, I'm going to go to but no regress so and he regress a three demonios
Starting point is 00:36:41 peorres. To what is that? To what the exorcism no did? Enviant to
Starting point is 00:36:47 where I had to send to the demonios what he is that they're seven
Starting point is 00:36:52 times. Clara Germana was again posseida and was
Starting point is 00:36:57 five years after after the He died. For cause of that And so,
Starting point is 00:37:08 the demonios notan. No, they're not even not. But they're to or they're to make you
Starting point is 00:37:14 masts. Or they they're to get to that your body no resist. And that's
Starting point is 00:37:19 what was what was that was that's her brother, her and he was two years
Starting point is 00:37:24 when he fells he. No, he's where is the tomb
Starting point is 00:37:28 is that was that was cremada, for that that something
Starting point is 00:37:31 that was cremada. So, so there is that. Ceddola the word. Wow. Let me. What,
Starting point is 00:37:38 what's the tremendous. Story. No, I know it. I'm very impacted. And is that
Starting point is 00:37:44 are many data. Acerca. The impact me really the attention, this question
Starting point is 00:37:52 related to the effect that will have to the person and talco is a game.
Starting point is 00:37:57 The person many times enter in this terrain or crevending that simply is a
Starting point is 00:38:02 a chascarillo, a anecdote, you know, and the repercussion that could get to get to get, that's a
Starting point is 00:38:08 percentage, the possibility that you occur is a little, is the success that is the
Starting point is 00:38:15 will destroy your life. And it's very very important, because in many stories of exorcists, they mention,
Starting point is 00:38:23 that it's difficult, it's difficult to do it, if the person is having a position
Starting point is 00:38:28 or not, And that has to be because if the possession has been much time and the manifestations not have been so evident,
Starting point is 00:38:36 it's very probable that he has destroyed part of the psyche, part also of the part organic of the
Starting point is 00:38:42 person. And then, if there be a lot of in the person, but it's because
Starting point is 00:38:48 maybe they're in a process of a manifestation demoniac. And is that these
Starting point is 00:38:52 processes of dictamene in those that a human is trying to get to
Starting point is 00:38:57 something, to give their point of view in the thing that's a point not quite
Starting point is 00:39:01 that's not quite so we're not as people as this information for the videos we're
Starting point is 00:39:09 we're doing the things we're we're those exorcists that are not they're not all the days
Starting point is 00:39:25 they're not. I'm human, of the body and that's very
Starting point is 00:39:29 transparent in his his experiences in the situation and is the
Starting point is 00:39:32 father Vincent Lambert. The father Vincent Lambert is a
Starting point is 00:39:37 type very very very form to and he
Starting point is 00:39:41 said that he he said he said he
Starting point is 00:39:45 never ever never never ever that he has
Starting point is 00:39:50 said that he have a of cases, those that he have to attend. Because I feel that I'm
Starting point is 00:39:56 that I'm my vitality back much. And after this these cases, they have asked, what is what does it,
Starting point is 00:40:05 a church, he's in oration during the days, and I said, no, I need to be alone and come me an elado.
Starting point is 00:40:11 And I'm in the soledad trying to have communication with God to make a lot of
Starting point is 00:40:16 chocolate, it's something is something very very strong and tremendous and depend the case.
Starting point is 00:40:21 And this father, with that humanity, with that honesty, he has passed things extraordinary, things very very fertes.
Starting point is 00:40:28 He commented that in one of the cases more of the other cases that has been to get to be when a pastor
Starting point is 00:40:33 to a church that this is very important for many for many of us that we have
Starting point is 00:40:39 a lot of religion a sometimes we're we're we're we're
Starting point is 00:40:42 we're in a type of plight of who has the reason and
Starting point is 00:40:46 what is the when they're in the camp of action many
Starting point is 00:40:50 they're just this serkania to be if they can apply to and are people who are
Starting point is 00:40:56 not the same people who have been in their own their people. So the father Lambert
Starting point is 00:41:03 was I knew the pastor and the pastor he said, we said, we need us our help,
Starting point is 00:41:09 we need to we need to we need to this case. He said definitive I think that is
Starting point is 00:41:15 an acto that has to be with some questions demoniacas. This chick
Starting point is 00:41:19 a us, he started to manifester the people that's around, that we
Starting point is 00:41:25 imped-you- yeah, to be in a calm to be able to the case. He said, and he's
Starting point is 00:41:31 a person of the community, has a story very very we're we're
Starting point is 00:41:35 that you, we're let me talk with her, let me let me be what we
Starting point is 00:41:39 can't say, but is he's sure, he says, he says, he's a commenter that when
Starting point is 00:41:48 she's a, If it's very disgastated, physically and mentally, there's a person that the life
Starting point is 00:41:53 has been and has done it's straggs. So the woman comes to tell you a story,
Starting point is 00:41:59 a story terrible that I can't talk about because would be about it with abuse
Starting point is 00:42:04 and a lot of things tremendous that when is that this woman
Starting point is 00:42:08 is this this woman and he says, these entities, of the entities demoniacas, a lot of a person, a person in a
Starting point is 00:42:23 legalist, and those formulas linguistics implican much things. So the father, understanding this,
Starting point is 00:42:30 detienes with the conversation. And he said, I know, but Jesus will help you, and
Starting point is 00:42:36 if you do you're to do say, he's that in that instant, as it would
Starting point is 00:42:40 be a little a picture, the woman willtea with other miras, his eyes
Starting point is 00:42:45 their eyes, His pupillas are delgated as far as far as a certain and the voice
Starting point is 00:42:52 begins to be to see us and he's a question, this woman is our we're not, we're going to
Starting point is 00:42:59 you don't you let's get to get it. The instant he was what was going to the woman was a
Starting point is 00:43:05 parted the pastor the pastor saying that he begins to make a orations and he
Starting point is 00:43:11 begins to give to God because he he was not was prepared for this
Starting point is 00:43:14 type of situations have to understand that no, for series, nor pastors, and the sastardotes, they prepare for this.
Starting point is 00:43:19 It's like a type, under the commies, of specialization. But all all those there lived in this scene.
Starting point is 00:43:25 It was a terrible. But the father conserved the calm. He had experience in this type
Starting point is 00:43:29 of cases. He said, he was that he knew the mind of the mind-and- put a
Starting point is 00:43:35 bottle of the hand-a- and put the mother assota and the woman assot to the
Starting point is 00:43:40 moment in the a lot. It's a ruggier, and it's retorserce, they're going to start to hear of
Starting point is 00:43:46 from the he's got a calm, the woman get inconsient and let's put to them in a
Starting point is 00:43:52 time but not here. That's they're in a capilla and they say, why not
Starting point is 00:43:56 tomorrow? He's because I have to prepare this not whatever so.
Starting point is 00:44:00 So, so this time, you know, you know, you have to get to a preparation
Starting point is 00:44:06 very profound. There, one, meditations, misa, your life, especially in
Starting point is 00:44:10 those days you have to care much the type of life that's doing so then I'm so I'm
Starting point is 00:44:15 so much I'm that I'm that I'm to fortece in my spirit because this situation
Starting point is 00:44:21 was a woman was suffering much. La view in a capilla and in that capilla
Starting point is 00:44:28 in the moment in the moment in the moment in the moment in the time the bandige his
Starting point is 00:44:33 eyes their again turned to transform and was
Starting point is 00:44:35 in front of this we we're we we're we're
Starting point is 00:44:40 moment in the moment in the moment in the woman is a little kind of a type of a good of
Starting point is 00:44:46 a time of the conscience and he's like to get the conscience and is up to and then I'm a so I'm
Starting point is 00:44:57 I remember the insufflo that is soplar that is to ask you need to and then
Starting point is 00:45:03 recubra this woman enter and take your moment in the moment in the that's sopla in
Starting point is 00:45:09 it says is like if a wind tremendous had entered in the
Starting point is 00:45:13 capilla and the cell and the speed of the speed and he was a
Starting point is 00:45:19 little the woman fell to the and the repopro the conciences
Starting point is 00:45:24 and he said and all we know we we're that we're
Starting point is 00:45:29 around of her and he began to start a little
Starting point is 00:45:32 alo a little a woman for a moment
Starting point is 00:45:36 would have had And, it's that we've had we've
Starting point is 00:45:43 started this part of the exorcism. And no, no you know did it
Starting point is 00:45:50 the exorcism or if she's a little with other sessions? Fifate
Starting point is 00:45:55 that, I go, that's this question, he's talking these conversations
Starting point is 00:46:02 in an interview and the interviewer and the interviewer and he does
Starting point is 00:46:06 make the he's very juicos and I've heard
Starting point is 00:46:11 many times, never I've heard of about to be a
Starting point is 00:46:14 exorcism of a one one of a time. So it's very
Starting point is 00:46:17 probably that you have been the initial of the
Starting point is 00:46:20 things initials. It's correct. And you have said something
Starting point is 00:46:25 of the most interesting this that you about that there was
Starting point is 00:46:30 a pastor that not necessarily a Catholic and is that
Starting point is 00:46:35 there came another I have that I also because
Starting point is 00:46:38 that's the exorcism, we're always we're the idea of the sacerdote, Cuello stola and
Starting point is 00:46:45 the most most pintorescos and, and also that has much relation, is the
Starting point is 00:46:50 exorcism of the daughter. This case I'm really, because, it's very
Starting point is 00:46:56 antigo, but it has many elements. The first is that Basilio was the
Starting point is 00:47:01 emperator of Constantinople, there over the 880, 890 of our era,
Starting point is 00:47:07 a of the age media, was the man and he was a very a baden, he was a
Starting point is 00:47:14 violent, cruel, that no had a major impacho in to get a man,
Starting point is 00:47:20 he was of the first emperators and he was, and he was going to all the
Starting point is 00:47:26 things, had decreed a series of the people, and they were the impererer
Starting point is 00:47:33 Byzantino so it was a great that any Jewish that was a risk. The
Starting point is 00:47:38 The only person who really appreciated and wanted, the emperor, was her his wife. He had a little bit of 14 years.
Starting point is 00:47:46 It was the little of his eyes. And, of a good day, they're to be sure that the wife,
Starting point is 00:47:53 the princess, is doing things raras. The emperor practically he's a case, the emissary.
Starting point is 00:48:00 How? There's things raras. A princess of the emperor, no, no, yes, sir,
Starting point is 00:48:05 it's a thing, no, there's Princess, is a princess, is a princess, you know what he wants. Well, is that he's a caminandah on the wall. Well, obviously he was to recognize that if it was a little rarrow.
Starting point is 00:48:16 After that, they were the other problems. And the other problems were, how transformed the rostro, how had things strange, how vomitab objects, how he retorcea, how even agredia to the people that were
Starting point is 00:48:30 close, like if were precisely an animal feroos, a beastia. They had to Encerrar Trajero Trajero To have been
Starting point is 00:48:38 The doctor Those men Those were They were They were They were A force Incredible,
Starting point is 00:48:44 Entraned all the Unucos Reales To get to Aller to make Toes
Starting point is 00:48:50 Because he He had been very grandota In a Eppes In a
Starting point is 00:48:55 people To be of Be de a personita And it's It was It was Was there
Starting point is 00:49:02 Many that region was orthodoxa. So, they were doing no put it, and then they puttimore this child. Because she was
Starting point is 00:49:13 overribly damaged and had been the fear to gore to get to a good day, a rabino and that is the
Starting point is 00:49:23 case that me I like much because that rabino had a don very particular. This, no,
Starting point is 00:49:31 the megued there more. It's the name book where the adventure of Shefatiah.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Sheffatia was the rabino. He's to look to the emperor to ask him
Starting point is 00:49:44 the secretos because is affecting to the people. It's a type with some
Starting point is 00:49:49 big because he's not the emperor if it's to be not to get the
Starting point is 00:49:53 time with him he he's he's he's he's he
Starting point is 00:49:58 received the rabino Shefati received the mandatio the no
Starting point is 00:50:04 it was for a one a night received a night received the manned
Starting point is 00:50:09 the emperor is destroyed is a he's he's a
Starting point is 00:50:14 he's a point he he was to hork but but the but the
Starting point is 00:50:20 robin he doesn't he has you know he he's not he's he's
Starting point is 00:50:25 he does know he's he's a man he's he's a man saint
Starting point is 00:50:31 know of the Kabbal, a knowcedor of the Torah of all these things. And the emperor to he's surprised and he says, I can
Starting point is 00:50:41 help. The emperor does say if accept or no. But me going to do something to do you,
Starting point is 00:50:47 I'll ask you a change and the glitos and the aleridos of that that's there incerated
Starting point is 00:50:52 total, he says to get so that he despise she, no I. Entra
Starting point is 00:50:57 and the first that is that the demon who is occupant the body of the daughter of Basilio,
Starting point is 00:51:03 he responds, what do you do you do you I'm in this court because I'm because you
Starting point is 00:51:08 come to get to get me. And Basilio the rabino he says, well, no, you
Starting point is 00:51:14 have to be to be in this court. To me me me made to be to be
Starting point is 00:51:17 to be to be and the rabino and they do you do this there's a
Starting point is 00:51:26 discussion theologica elevated resulta that at the final of the day, that the demonio he says, what the past is
Starting point is 00:51:33 that you have to come to get them and the people of God can go to keep the world of the rabino
Starting point is 00:51:41 no, not say the place of that the place of that kind of the world is spantadisim because
Starting point is 00:51:47 they're in ruidos, gritos, lamentos and they hear to the rabino to reason.
Starting point is 00:51:52 In his language, that's the old the Jewish to rest constantly and all the
Starting point is 00:51:58 time, all the time Until that finally Sal, the rabino, open a little the door, and pique,
Starting point is 00:52:05 that they can a vasica of plomo. All the world is going to like, and he'd the basija of plomo,
Starting point is 00:52:15 but yeah! And yeah, finally, they're done the basiha of plom and appears the man
Starting point is 00:52:19 very content. And, and detrase of him, the little, the nina, like, ambrienta
Starting point is 00:52:25 with garner to come in front without the Marks horrible Those The emperator
Starting point is 00:52:32 Laugh A braza With a Alegry Enorme He asks Aravine Cere me
Starting point is 00:52:36 Tesoros Pidem what you What you Quirits Or what Seas And he
Starting point is 00:52:42 Responded Quitter Theictus And Respite My Pue Because my
Starting point is 00:52:45 Pue The People Heir His His And the Emperor
Starting point is 00:52:51 Basilio Accepted Finally He He had A Secret And
Starting point is 00:52:56 Why Pid a Bacier after. After the few
Starting point is 00:52:59 days of the last the the demon or the demonies those demonios
Starting point is 00:53:05 those he got and he put to the basija to plomo the tapo and he
Starting point is 00:53:11 put the name of the the old name of God only the
Starting point is 00:53:15 only the old the master cabalistas sabian said the
Starting point is 00:53:20 the famous Shem the the power he was that
Starting point is 00:53:24 impede that they'll not after that he he said the
Starting point is 00:53:29 river, to the where he was there was a basque the
Starting point is 00:53:35 finality that nobody the nobody let me make your
Starting point is 00:53:43 little that's what is what there was there the
Starting point is 00:53:47 old the the end the the That cajita DeVuq.
Starting point is 00:53:59 That someone torpently opened and romply the because the seal no is not to put to the
Starting point is 00:54:03 obviously not it's not it only the altos cabalistas so it so it
Starting point is 00:54:09 always put there and if you you open and what
Starting point is 00:54:14 is there and the there and the case in particular I I've
Starting point is 00:54:18 liked even even it's very ideas and the principal
Starting point is 00:54:21 is that not only the Christianism and the sacerdotes Catholic have potestat.
Starting point is 00:54:29 You go to the word. Adelante, for forward. I want to make to make a question about the
Starting point is 00:54:34 divuq. We're talking in the Kabbalists, in the Judaism and in the Christianism.
Starting point is 00:54:40 They're talking about the same entity? They're about the demonios or the
Starting point is 00:54:43 conceptualization, the theology of the Kabbalists and of the Jews is
Starting point is 00:54:48 distinct and they're different. Basically is the same. The demonio is reflected from
Starting point is 00:54:55 the texts most the text of the Torah it's the well, the Torah
Starting point is 00:55:00 manage the most the same the same the actual texts cabalistas also different
Starting point is 00:55:06 levels, the demonios conservan as angels caidos they're conservando
Starting point is 00:55:10 their hierarchical and for so they're being being being standing and the
Starting point is 00:55:18 first thing the same epitom of the first patriarchs so is that is that is that the Christianism still luching against the same.
Starting point is 00:55:26 In essence, we're doing with the same we're the famous monos parlants. When the Lucifer is
Starting point is 00:55:34 envied out for revelarses, he reveled because he was he was a beautiful, sabio, powerful,
Starting point is 00:55:39 and how is that God created to these monos parlants and they all their love
Starting point is 00:55:44 so affect and they the love the they're they're not
Starting point is 00:55:49 they're not that is a rebel, but he doesn't to be who is a a general
Starting point is 00:55:57 an angel of the light and it can be destroyed because God does he's not he's wrong
Starting point is 00:56:04 and not they destroy because would accept a confusion, a quivocation and no there's all part of the
Starting point is 00:56:10 plan master. So, in essence is it is the same. Although they have different exceptions,
Starting point is 00:56:15 for example in the people Arab they use the Jews, in the people Jewish,
Starting point is 00:56:19 it's also other creencers and also they're in their
Starting point is 00:56:22 exorcisms much more sophisticated and they require in various people, are very
Starting point is 00:56:28 large and very impactants. That tremendous. That tremendous. I think more we're going to have another
Starting point is 00:56:36 conversation in torno these things that are so far that I'm
Starting point is 00:56:41 not, me has happened something in the community there have many people
Starting point is 00:56:45 that have needs of this year and me had done that
Starting point is 00:56:50 no, no there's information about the respect to what are in these
Starting point is 00:56:55 cases. And it's where they're in situations of getting to places
Starting point is 00:56:59 more more more more more and it and it
Starting point is 00:57:04 and it is that this other that I'm to be about
Starting point is 00:57:08 something. I've a conversation with an exorcist and
Starting point is 00:57:13 let me send the send the father Luson. He's wrote the
Starting point is 00:57:17 book that's called the Six Puartes very interesting in the There is a
Starting point is 00:57:21 question that is resolved for many people. Many people say, well, why the position
Starting point is 00:57:26 occur in a person innocent? And the father Luzon, after his studies, after what he has learned
Starting point is 00:57:31 the long of many years, he's a day of day of a exorcist, it was, he said,
Starting point is 00:57:35 he said, there are three situations that the person in a person inoscent will be a victim
Starting point is 00:57:40 to a position. No, will be to be any his actions, nor what he has
Starting point is 00:57:44 done, are situations in those that that's that's could occur And this is
Starting point is 00:57:50 one of the cases in which it is one of the young was victim of that a family
Starting point is 00:57:56 was in a spirit as many know, the father Gabriel Amort was a
Starting point is 00:58:02 was a during many years the exorcista of the Vatican he was a person
Starting point is 00:58:08 that was a example the example the father Candid Amantini and
Starting point is 00:58:13 he formed tremendously as one of the great exorcists has
Starting point is 00:58:17 has very much with your personality, it has to be much with your charism,
Starting point is 00:58:20 it has to be very very much with the time. And there's cases, there's
Starting point is 00:58:24 very very very much because they're out of the norm, have done
Starting point is 00:58:30 that they're very curious. This is one of those cases, is the case of
Starting point is 00:58:35 a young that from his child was done the his father,
Starting point is 00:58:40 the his father, with the father, with the he was, and just when
Starting point is 00:58:45 this child is his first communion. He has a necessity great to get to the churches. And in the churches he's
Starting point is 00:58:53 he's a he's a he's a place in the place that's a person that's a person that
Starting point is 00:58:59 has a much activity. It's monaggill is a little of some groups is a person a person
Starting point is 00:59:05 and of a person that's a day that is his first communion commencing begins
Starting point is 00:59:13 to have a in one of his images mental in some moment of ecstasy or in
Starting point is 00:59:19 a dream a cross and there's a voice profound that he says you're going to suffer
Starting point is 00:59:24 much and a part of there start of things things strange he
Starting point is 00:59:29 he's he's he's and he starts to feel in moments
Starting point is 00:59:35 that there levitation that he's there has he has
Starting point is 00:59:40 he has visions and he has been at the light of the day
Starting point is 00:59:43 and he visit in some moment Jesus and he'll visit in
Starting point is 00:59:47 some moment the Virgin Maria. And he he's to have these situations with those people
Starting point is 00:59:52 in the environment not he can do you know and not know how to deal with that.
Starting point is 00:59:58 But then then there are things more strange. He starts to get the attention
Starting point is 01:00:02 of the people to the people in the person's in a person who
Starting point is 01:00:08 can't and it's like a little bit until that you give to they're
Starting point is 01:00:15 attention directly the dioces to the that he pertinencey and is that the
Starting point is 01:00:21 quadros that he had in his house in the time they're
Starting point is 01:00:25 so they're so they're all the notisieros and they all to put
Starting point is 01:00:30 to put this this child he's he's there's there's
Starting point is 01:00:35 there there there's there going to do and they're going to
Starting point is 01:00:40 make the church determines that there many that's occurring.
Starting point is 01:00:45 No, that not that are not going to be many incongruences. So, not they're
Starting point is 01:00:50 like a cause a little more. So, is that they do they do they do they're
Starting point is 01:00:54 and they're to make much the attention. But, lamentableable not they don't have
Starting point is 01:00:59 more see it. So, is that this child, he's a person who can't
Starting point is 01:01:02 do you want to the different of these situations to top a a pseudo-charism
Starting point is 01:01:09 a type, a type that said, he knew that he was to do And then the pseudo-charismatic in his orientations
Starting point is 01:01:15 commences that he has to be other type as of orations. And it's strange how to manifest in the questions spiritual. But one of the first that they enter in contact to these two persons, that necessary that in some moment had to be to get a 180-grab. And he now wants to know
Starting point is 01:01:32 to know the churches. And all of these questions that he had to have a connection by the media of the sacramentos of the confession of the Eucharistia, now his heart he's a side
Starting point is 01:01:42 contrary and they're and then the manifestations of now to he's
Starting point is 01:01:47 he's to have moments in those he's sometimes to have some in those
Starting point is 01:01:53 he conversations with someone that nobody more than he
Starting point is 01:01:57 and he and he and he has this is pseudo charismatic and he
Starting point is 01:02:02 he Now, the statues, now the statues yorens the statues are in the statues have been in this case,
Starting point is 01:02:17 there's people that are in this chico as aeration, the doors start at cruis, and the
Starting point is 01:02:24 father of love, and the people, and by the people, the churchists of the church, that's
Starting point is 01:02:33 a bit of a monoeuvre that's a thing, that's that kind of essence and confunding to
Starting point is 01:02:38 the person. So, The Pard of Mour says, and it has said many times
Starting point is 01:02:44 at the long of his his he's he not didn't any
Starting point is 01:02:47 power special. He's the difference of his master of the
Starting point is 01:02:50 Candid Amantini he he no he had a person
Starting point is 01:02:57 to know, to know, he was the only that was was he was
Starting point is 01:03:01 was one and other other and in many sometimes
Starting point is 01:03:04 when he was a question to be saying that
Starting point is 01:03:07 were that exorcisms, even when no there were any type of manifestation. And then surged in the manifestations.
Starting point is 01:03:14 So, this child when he went, he did an exorcism simple. And in the moment in the
Starting point is 01:03:21 exorcism simple, was notoria the, the invasion that he had since much time,
Starting point is 01:03:28 commas to start to get to him, many voices, and they said, the
Starting point is 01:03:33 the child is from the child's and you, no, no you're going to keep. So,
Starting point is 01:03:39 so it continued more, more the exorcism. He, he entered in a rest, he went to
Starting point is 01:03:45 get back, and he was totally incontrollable. Terminamos the exorcism, terminated, in calm,
Starting point is 01:03:52 he said, that me to do that and I could do a question correct. So I'm
Starting point is 01:03:58 this, I'm very very similar in the case that we've made a fact,
Starting point is 01:04:04 the things rapidly they're in control and the machocho commences. The father coincide that is taking a
Starting point is 01:04:12 session with various exorcists to those which is he's doing this he's this chico and it's a question in time
Starting point is 01:04:21 and life real and then they're going to do the exorcisms and then in each exorcism to show manifestations
Starting point is 01:04:26 different. And this is very interesting because a lot of people we want to call out
Starting point is 01:04:32 the things from our understanding and the demons, it's a essence
Starting point is 01:04:38 not a material, the manifestations is just a type of communication, but not are
Starting point is 01:04:44 anclas a only a sort of a sort of a kind of the manifestation of the
Starting point is 01:04:50 postas that's that's rexhebrach the levitations, the sangrado
Starting point is 01:04:55 of these figures, not was the only to start to that he,
Starting point is 01:04:58 he, he, he, he, know, what these people have these
Starting point is 01:05:03 in them, in their in their life, but he never had never had been to
Starting point is 01:05:07 contact with any of them. Then he's to recital the scriptures, but of a way in
Starting point is 01:05:12 that you're transgerasingersand the things and they're that they're in other occasion
Starting point is 01:05:17 that's in other exorcism the man, the man, the man, he's never ever ever
Starting point is 01:05:22 ever ever he's called. And he's talking perfect a German, perfect French, and different languages, including
Starting point is 01:05:27 those correct, because he knows that they're not they saying, and they'll
Starting point is 01:05:32 express it in the language of them to understand. The Padre Amor terminate saying that
Starting point is 01:05:38 when they were when they're in the seminary of exorcism, he'd have been the young.
Starting point is 01:05:43 The young had had been much. And in the conversation with this
Starting point is 01:05:47 entity, with this demonio, that maybe was a one or various, it was
Starting point is 01:05:50 he was he had been the position since that was because her little,
Starting point is 01:05:56 and she he had in the something that not that was very very that's a
Starting point is 01:06:05 very that's totally normally when you the works of the
Starting point is 01:06:10 exorcists and all the investigation theological and there there's
Starting point is 01:06:15 two many rubros of the for the possession the
Starting point is 01:06:19 the internal and the internes and the act
Starting point is 01:06:23 attitude recalcitrant in the the peccation the and
Starting point is 01:06:27 the invocations and for the acceptation proper of the pact or
Starting point is 01:06:34 of the possession, that would be the most delicate that is, accepting one of the external. The external are, for example, in the case that I wasal I, of Basileo, first, that is for a grace
Starting point is 01:06:46 divina. The Jewel, that he needed to get to the emperor, boom, there's afts, affect to the little.
Starting point is 01:06:54 The cur of Ars, to the pegged to the table of the camera, it was a mandate divino to demonstrate the power of the faith. And those are for grace. But
Starting point is 01:07:05 also there are for a chisor, for maldition or for consagration, that are gravisimous. That is the case that you've got to platicor, that is something very, very difficult to quit. No. I know that has terminated that episode, oh-halla and if he had been able to sell it. The
Starting point is 01:07:19 Father Gabriel Amort soled to make exorcisms very prolonged. No, not it was a man that was It's all over, and all we're all right. That's all right. That's all right. We're going to, yuppie. No, no is so.
Starting point is 01:07:33 And there's other case. You'll talk to one, yeah, also, to close, I'm my exposition. Has I sued of Richard Gallagher. Sure, Richard Galagher is the psychiatrist of the exorcists
Starting point is 01:07:42 in the States. It's the man to say, hey, we know, we're, we're a case, you know, we're going, and well, then, well,
Starting point is 01:07:48 then, to char a evaluation and all of this. There's a case that example much of what we've talked about this night is the
Starting point is 01:07:56 case of Catherine and all when a sacerdote a friend a man he says he's a friend he says he to come back a
Starting point is 01:08:06 person to be a person to the person to be in a part of Virginia an mama of a house that in a house
Starting point is 01:08:15 in a zone in a zone in a center of the public no it's a in the casita
Starting point is 01:08:20 has a a house has a various, there's a house. A little there's a
Starting point is 01:08:25 a little a house whewel a stofa and a tarts of mansana. The style
Starting point is 01:08:32 Americanes a tart of mansana doradita richissima that they prepare an and the
Starting point is 01:08:37 first we we're we're a person posseida because here wele a that
Starting point is 01:08:42 he coined a man of a man of a man actually had cooked
Starting point is 01:08:46 she had a woman menudita the and were more more
Starting point is 01:08:48 grandicic and were more the husband was there. And the father he says, Cued with what you
Starting point is 01:08:57 think you. Cuddle with what you think you. Now, you'll have to be a little bit. She's a little. And in this moment, you know, he does a count that someone is a very well. And the maraudedal, he has put it. They don't have advised them the day.
Starting point is 01:09:14 No, so they were saying to the woman. Because in when she was enterable, commensable with this attitude, but she had it already, obviously, yeah, he was already, and when he's got, and she'd be, and she a curruca for
Starting point is 01:09:25 there. The father Jacques solied always to make a miso. In that era still was made to make a miso sacred, and had a misa in the house to prepare the place, and not they'd have a woman
Starting point is 01:09:38 to the church, because no, there was the privacy sufficient. In the church of that community, there was the chorus, those of the catecism, those of the misa, of no-se-k-k-k-k-k-k-you-n-n-spac-and-so-you-law-and-a-cassian, then
Starting point is 01:09:49 it was-you-lacian in the house. The marido had the windows, put in a persian, and they'd start-in-pment, first with the misa. Terminada the misa, entered another of the parruchus that was the oracus,
Starting point is 01:10:01 that was the exorcism. And then, then, sent them a woman in a cillon-cito, and at-rass-of-he-he-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-woh-old. There was a-in-curner, came with the cur and he
Starting point is 01:10:14 sat down and he's just to checking signals because in occasions the rituals
Starting point is 01:10:19 can get to be so violent that the person that person that's the
Starting point is 01:10:24 question. The first the oracion the sacerdote the exorcism Catholic
Starting point is 01:10:30 based on the ancient ritual Roman what has two
Starting point is 01:10:33 types of those deprecative and the confuras is
Starting point is 01:10:37 pedicic is help and call to the presence divina. I mean to be there
Starting point is 01:10:46 the angels, who are the people who are there. And then the conjura that is
Starting point is 01:10:50 order. No, they're not they don't ask them not they don't they
Starting point is 01:10:56 questions curiousas. It's is a order and he's order. Part of
Starting point is 01:11:01 the ritual, the only is to ask the old
Starting point is 01:11:05 precepts that that the first exorcism where Christ
Starting point is 01:11:08 he question what is your name, one of the bases is is to know the name. And it's something very important, because a part of there, you know, it's a part of it, it's
Starting point is 01:11:17 a problem is that a lot of it, 20, 30, more. And there's to take one for one of those presences. And then, then, send them to where they're to start. All this is a través of conjura and of oration of precativa. So, no is something very spectacular,
Starting point is 01:11:33 until that staya the bomb because that that's a little woman when the father with the orations
Starting point is 01:11:41 deprecativeness was she's sat sat down a dormiladita as a when they start at the conjuras
Starting point is 01:11:47 then then so that that's a creature starts to moveerce and he and gets
Starting point is 01:11:54 to make the marid three four types that they are put that's because
Starting point is 01:12:00 resulta that in a part of orations at someone's had put to the front and with the PIRNA, he was up and went to. A woman, a bigita, a man of 110 kilos,
Starting point is 01:12:09 he was to golaar. But, it's a move and thence and the rues and the changes of the rostro, of attitude, and then many things. All the time anterior is in calm. No, it's all right, but of a bongue, and this is the conjura, and this woman respond,
Starting point is 01:12:25 and is my woman. She is my mother, that she is my woman, that she is my woman, that she is my woman. She's I'm accepted. I'm here with her. Because she
Starting point is 01:12:34 me accepted and it's and it's and it's to get to get a rarrow and then the scenoglossia
Starting point is 01:12:40 that's something that's a lot of people who were people who were English, who were people who
Starting point is 01:12:46 were Latin perfectly and for a sombre of all of all and so when he does that
Starting point is 01:12:54 they're getting what they they're because all they're doing to be able in a
Starting point is 01:12:59 language Asiatic. That no one of of them know of them and the rostro. So,
Starting point is 01:13:05 it's a turn to a rostro of an appearance asiatic and that he's very,
Starting point is 01:13:09 very rare, until the point in that is such the that the woman seems to
Starting point is 01:13:13 have to have to be a hour and a exorcism, the
Starting point is 01:13:20 woman can't get a and they're in a acion, he
Starting point is 01:13:23 they're they're a tontodon and all, and so he's
Starting point is 01:13:27 serve tarta to all. And they have to eat because it's the wife,
Starting point is 01:13:34 and in that moment was a way, how offender and they they were when in
Starting point is 01:13:38 reality what I was going, Gallagher, was to get to get to because
Starting point is 01:13:41 all the time, although there was the manifestations that in the
Starting point is 01:13:46 case of Clara Germana or many others, if he was
Starting point is 01:13:50 there were there were there was, they'd be. Gallagher was not one
Starting point is 01:13:56 one of one or two times that's done he was over he was done to the exorcism for a valouration
Starting point is 01:14:02 and there a characteristic that he wasombrough the woman not could read or hear
Starting point is 01:14:11 or hear or words religious when he he said how? If you
Starting point is 01:14:17 you're you're in God in God he will respond that if I think
Starting point is 01:14:21 in what? Gallagher no he was he sent with her before the
Starting point is 01:14:27 exorcism and he did the exercise to ask you have you do you
Starting point is 01:14:32 do you do you do you do you a stofad and a so what how much
Starting point is 01:14:38 how many how many how much you know you and I'm what I'm in what
Starting point is 01:14:42 he? He's he's not braeming and then he's still doing this type
Starting point is 01:14:47 of this time this She selectively was sorda. And it was when they confessed that one of the problems that had been led to that had been a lot in the
Starting point is 01:15:00 o'id. A thing horrible. Every time that I was that I'd like they'd stalled the o'iddle, there was when they'd be able to that something. He'd never to get a local for the and thenp. And, and little to put putting the ability
Starting point is 01:15:15 to recognize the words God, Iglesia, Jesus Christ, the whatever that had to be
Starting point is 01:15:21 with that he was getting to isolated. And that was the most grave
Starting point is 01:15:26 of this case, of this exorcism. How you can hear? How could
Starting point is 01:15:33 assist to the church? I'm was a condone to
Starting point is 01:15:36 this. It was a position destructive in extreme that he
Starting point is 01:15:40 impeded all well Gallagher got to write to
Starting point is 01:15:43 write to and to little problems. I was a question
Starting point is 01:15:48 in a paper and she was and she did a really a problem in the
Starting point is 01:15:55 the way he put the paper and he said the paper and he said the question and she said
Starting point is 01:16:01 the doctor is in blank and the paper had a question religious
Starting point is 01:16:05 not he could see not to be this type of this
Starting point is 01:16:09 type of this is many times and the he was doing that he a
Starting point is 01:16:13 that the effort of the efforts and of all, every bit of recallying and
Starting point is 01:16:18 it's it was a lot that's an thing that he was a other incident
Starting point is 01:16:31 and he's a lot of the time he was a person to that the brazo was perfectly to his
Starting point is 01:16:40 he could have been to make it peskado, no pudo. And when he asked him, well, with the Padre Jacks and all of them, he said, he said, because he's, no, he's, he
Starting point is 01:16:49 is, he's not under control. But, well, following with the theme, this woman, this woman, the origin of all the problem. No, it was a casualty. And it was an
Starting point is 01:17:00 possession motivated for a theme internal. In her youth she had been part of an keelarrie. Junto with some of the
Starting point is 01:17:07 people, they had formed akelerre, because they was like that sensational in the years and the rebelia and
Starting point is 01:17:16 you and that you and they were to get in a clear of the box. Some of
Starting point is 01:17:21 she found out some kind of a conjura that is a thing that is what you say what you
Starting point is 01:17:26 do you do you do you the words are more power for the intention
Starting point is 01:17:30 than for what they're the fact is that they were being
Starting point is 01:17:34 to come and to invoke and in some moment that
Starting point is 01:17:37 that that but, but, in the own the other words of
Starting point is 01:17:42 Catherine, the which was a lot of a lot of the have been got
Starting point is 01:17:47 fetus. Is that some of the chicas had had had
Starting point is 01:17:52 provoked an aborto and they had been that
Starting point is 01:17:55 the dark of the light obviously was a number
Starting point is 01:18:02 occasions and no me there had been there
Starting point is 01:18:05 had had been to get to the church without enter I'm could have
Starting point is 01:18:12 to be talking to the people but not could even not even
Starting point is 01:18:15 not confess to be commulgar not could hear clearly the
Starting point is 01:18:21 word that so the grave was the last
Starting point is 01:18:24 in the last he was four years with four years and
Starting point is 01:18:31 he still being under the kind of so that's so
Starting point is 01:18:35 in In the end, I think we've talked a lot of things very interesting. It's an impressive.
Starting point is 01:18:44 Richard Gallagher from since I've done. I've got to hear this relato. It's an
Starting point is 01:18:50 impactant. For you, maestro, my thank you. I'm with the skin chinita
Starting point is 01:18:57 and in more of one occasion me submerged in what me was saying,
Starting point is 01:19:01 I'm talking to have done to go to do more of these cases.
Starting point is 01:19:04 So, so thank thanks for having participated in this duelo.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Sir, very good good after all. Thanks for the invitation and that the
Starting point is 01:19:12 great he's all the altissim. Thank you. Family Nocturna, community of relato
Starting point is 01:19:18 dark, and I want a and I wish, and things. After this,

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