HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - Intentaron Liberarlo pero algo salió muy mal con José Ramón Cantalapiedra de @RelatosdelLadoOscuro ​

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

Un duende celoso y posesivo, Un demonio al que nunca debes de nombrar. Bienvenida Familia Nocturna, el día de hoy les tenemos un regalo especial, el episodio más pedido hasta el día de hoy, una pl��tica con José Ramón Cantalapiedra de @relatosdelladooscuro. Prepárense para una serie de historias Sorprendentes, impactantes y escalofriantes. Acerca de Leyendas, mundos paralelos, poderes psiquicos, experiencias místicas y seres oscuros y malevolos: Mala Visión Un duende celoso y posesivo Nina Kulagina EL niño Joaquín La virgen de Medjugorje La Monja Azul La Sacerdotisa satánica Una liberación que salió muy mal Si leiste hasta aquí, sube una historia a instagram, etiquetando a @HABLEMOSDELOQUENOEXISTE y a @RelatosdelLadoOscuro para compartirte en las historias del canal.

Welcome to Family Nocturna to this new episode of Let Mepplems of what no exist. The day of we have a episode super

special. Because now if now, family nocturna. This is for you guys. What you

have said, the good Jose Ramon can't the Piedra of the darks of dark.

Jose Ramon, how you know, what's good. Very good good nights for

you and for the support for all your auditorio. Thanks for the

invitation to all the And to all the public that we're accompanying. Also, much thanks to the

people who have accompanied the program of Relatos of the dark. I'm very good to

be able to be coming here this night. Listus to to tell stories.

Excellent, excellent. Of I want to you know, in the moment in

we've we're going to start this collaboration, I think it's of the few

times that I have put nervous. I'm I'm honest, I'm honest,

because I'm a narrator that has a style that's a real, that's a part of

compromise in the way I'm that's, I'd be at the level of this situation because

well, well, I'm that I love much to talk stories,

I'm a level, we're a thing, so, is a lot of a lot of a lot of this world.

No, The only to to have to have to to have to a problem that's a great thing to this adrenaline

this nervousism, this gusto and that is the principle of the day that we get us to see that when you're

when you're going to be to a public, when you you're going to get to we're going to we're going to

make sure to make balances and things similar we're not we're well as how many

you're how many you're look if we're we're Mero, Mero. Mero, Mro.

Pryntice. I started things and reading the guillons in 1999. What which means is that

I'm for complete or I'm in 30 years. But a charge of a program of radio

I'mse in 2003, with relato on the dark, precisely, in radio, and then,

then, 2003 to the date, are 20 years. Yes, yeah, we've done, 20 years,

20 years, about the air, wow. And relato of the dark It's a dark It's a program of radio And in what year

Brinkast To RETE A YouTube? Ah, well, look, The problem of radio is that today is

going to be a problem very feo with the competition, no. Lgege a point in that we're

we're seven locutors different, that were actors of theater that were things,

we're we're doing production, da, la, la, so all this has had a cost

very old and obviously I've a point in that the radio now it can't

pay. And all not put it to pay, well, we did we did we did a one single day in the 2019. Is this 16 years

after having commenced, all the days, in the night, hour and a media, all the nights, of a point, we did we do a single day. And, all start in a single day, of a point, it was a surprise. Of course, all the world

goes to his casas and there a nervousism spantoso, and then we can't say, well, and why not? We'll do. We'll make a program extra one more to the week. In

the other to do only the first we're to make a program the market to come to

get a person in the quarantine and so the idea but as it's we're not we're doing

to make a Facebook. We're a phone on the phone in the phone in the Facebook, there's

the program. Well, after that you're going to do you're doing more than you we're doing we're going to

we're just we're doing our our our microphones, our things,

we're some people, we're in and we're to be in YouTube. And as we

do it's we're doing on YouTube and we're doing the same physiognomia of the radio, no,

of that day to always respect to the same or the radio, we're always

at the 30, well, we're we're we're always at the the night.

And not diary because it's much more complicated to do do, but it's

for example, Lune's, Miercoles and Saturday, I, and the Wednesday we're a lot of

literary with the narrators, with the actors and the other. So, so we are very

present. We're on that, and then, the channel halloe, he started to transmit

in 2020. The first video, video, so in form, was in 2020,

and we we've three years. It was in May of 2020 that we did

the first video about of the of water down the

point. Wow. Wow. This is before to initiate the podcast and to

tell us for you for the change of format or practically was a parallelism?

No, yes, is very different. It's very distinct. Yeah, yeah,

forget to get to radio was to get to your own space in

a little in a night of the carina, we're the operator of the

cariado that with his apparitits the chica that was the assistant of production

that was the people who he had we're three people there's at the night

talking about nobody's if you get about you get about so because there

I was I was I was I'm on the work to come I'm

to go to and I'm nobody he's nobody you're in the

car you you you you You were eating at your sandwich and you're to your coffee. YouTube is very different. Here you can. Obviously, you have to

have a more presence, you know, a scenography, a work of direction scenicic. Very important. Because if you always put exactly the same scenario, it's very aburried. So, we're going to get a lot of people who get in and accommodate all the books.

They're going to try all my books to write all these books. For to put them here, that has an aspect that is a interesting, no

can always use the same, so are many little little bit of what can get to

give to a, a program like this, of the contrary, imagine you,

you, a type of a microphone with a car of many, many, people,

many other auxiliary is very very aburried. Well, with that

description me clear that so. So, so, what we did

do work over images, to put him images, edition, and if it's

much more work. YouTube is a platform that requires much constance and that's a tip for

the people that want to require a constantia. If you you make in this, you know,

you're not you're not going to get into creativity because there many millions of canals

I don't I remember what data we found for there one of many of how many

day, but it's a locura. So, for that the to you like to someone, it needs to have

a particular. So, so you're doing. You've done that's a time. Also, with

the time, with the channel of you're well, it's working. Now, that we've

been seen some of the collaborations with other people, and it was very interesting. So that's

a plus, that your theme value the thing, not only that's all that's

not just that it's better. So, then there is. Very well.

Excellent. We're going to start, then I have to start a question to start this stories.

I'm said there that you're some of this is certain this? When you do you

do you? Perfect. What you do you do? I'm going to you talk about

one. Vena that I. Very well. I'm to tell the

history of Malavisian. Malavision is a legend Guarani and especially

I mean, I mean, I'm going to this legend of malavision. Because there some people that me

told them about this entity, we can't call it. So, I'm tope

with the story of a person that that's that has been and it

made a story surprising. For the people who not know, for the

people who are that I'm saying, malavision. It's a entity that since

many time he is a runn in certain parages

desolated in Paraguay the history says that a woman

was a woman and he she he was

he was infiel to a reason she put

a point in the he he he he he

was a a moment in the he was a he was he was

defended, and he said that he said, and a a reason of that she

decided to take the life of this person. One a night she has a

he's a paramo that no desolated and put rest of a arbor

over him and it's seven days after in one

night the the person appears front she and

she and she die the that a reason that a

reason that in the times in the nights light of the night there's a lot of

an entity that makes like a kind of aftol They say that, A malavision, you can't because when starts in

times in the times in the suns, you're going to hear the great to hear the if you get

to do you do this, or saying he's going to go to other side, if you say the

first time, the first time, she will to be to she will be to get to if it will be

to start, she will start and if you make this error, she'll she will and you go to

and she will get to your soul and he's going to the mues and he leaving the

piece and the blood and the story seems a but there was

a person that was a person that was a lot me said in the family

we're we're perfectly in malavisian we we're totally

that exists because our Our son was a victim of her. I asked

that I'm a little bit more about this. Me said that much years after

that this child was the when her his father had around of 20 years and

his tio being the little around to get to the her

with his her two a time a a little a little

in a little they were in a way they're going to come when

when you had been a or it's a minute and I'm a repent the time

it's to go and then the papa and then the father and says to be

to be the first to go and it and it again the

brother but the little more past of the person and then

he was much more than when they when they're when they're

when they're a new normal it's a torment and then

it's a gritty of a little bit of the little bit of the father's because I'm

a legend of malavision he says the men's that's not the mano

but he's so he then he he goes and then he goes and then he'll

hear the great of malavision segued of the he's he's he's

he's he's he's he's looking to be able to try to try to try to

to find the where he was the gritty when he said, I'm going to the girl, and you know he was going.

He was going to get back to the city, they were to help the policeia, so he said a group

of the people, they went to get to the camp, nobody no, he went to

three days after the brother the person, very delgated, very and

has been sordo and enlokeated sordo just of a rea and she passed her

and she passed around three years. This story we have clear three years

he was doing intervention with different psychiatrs and that he covered

the cordue the only that he is a hard that's a little he's

he he's he doesn't he he's we're not a legend but

in my family we're that in a lot of vision exists. Oh, it's very impressive that you have told. And all the world thinks that the legends

are only legends. And if, effectively. It's very probably that has existed a woman that's all this, because that's

the component social, popular. The same, the Yorona. Sure, you've heard. The Yorona is that she's

that's got in a old, has been a story, and however, today, in the full of the century 21,

still encountered with the Yorona. And not in the style traditional, that's the A. and my children, but a image eterea that that's deambula, that dambula, that dambula, that's around a rio. It produces some sound spectacularly feo, very similar to what you have

described, and the contact with these entities, terminate generally being fatal. From my point of this, what you have told, no, it's a person who has assassinated, that's the part of the component, well, me is describing a demonio

and that's something of what we've talked about time back with some people about the Yorona of the Silvon

in some part of South America and other phenomena are are people are they're

they're and that they're they're and the same that's you're going to

you're to go to you're you're a lot of this presences some

I'm you you what you banchis and all this type of of creencers.

Fidgette that I've got to think it. Well, if we go to the dialogue of

the father Fortea and the father Gabriel Amort, they're they're

about the entities spirituales that not have this form corporea

that they they're for the interaction that they're to have

to have to with a specific normally to generate

terror or this type of but it's very

that repita this type of figures. And what good point of

view of the description is a little and it's a little bit of a woman

that much coincidid and if we put in the the people who have been

this type of situations I think the type of situation you impede to

be objective with all the thing for the fear

for what you know so so that's interesting not

I have seen so but it not the is a form particular in

that these entities oscuras dominan to the people have seen to talk to the agent sombra, not? For sure.

These presences macabras that are that's that's that's that's phenomena kinetical,

phenomena olfativos, changes of temperatures, and that they're to get to to some

because I'm to know to know if they're to do or not they're they're

they're that's the is the objective central. And a part of the MED,

it's all the and it's all the fear. And that's the point central of

these presence. It's a situation very great. And, and also is something

that's what you're going to probably have occurred. Very probably probably. Well,

in the times historical, that's not that's not. If we're that you're

seen the period colonial Mexican, that are 300, four hundred, and

this is what you you have talked I know, I'm a little I'm a

sure you know a little bit of you know, you know, has seen another time of the

man of the man? Yes, many times the sombrererer on the sombrero, sombreron,

there's many definitions and precisely what they're describing is a subject like the of the

other than a quakerer with his sombrero in Mexico is the charro in all his

various and to the sort is a kind of gaucho in the zones of the Patagonia, Argentina, all this, but the description,

not so of the individual, because that could have a, could have a component very certain to how it's identif I, when I feel something, it's a little bit in the States you know, you identifications with a quaker, in Mexico, with a charro, in the sur, in the sun, with an X,

but the presence is there, and the effects are very similar. Now, that you mention, the effects between a personage of the sombrero in US or one in Mexico, they've been a similar. Could it

be a lot of it's not. Yeah, yeah, of the actual, I impacted when I'm

knew that you a director that's Chris Baker or Chris Breaker, the that he created a Freddy Krueger,

he had based on the image of the man of the sombrero because he commented that when he was

he was he was to be into his house rogos that was looking to

him was he was sitting He said that he gave so much he always he always he's

a question and he came the character this of Freddy Krueger. Then I commenced

to pop that many people have had been contact with this type of entity and that

was very, very, very, very extra- because are the color black

that are near the rios with the and in the case of this

no doesn't not make any kind of the eye and the sensation

abrumator of the are entities very oscuras that are that for something want to generate

terror. Aliment or motivation, but there are who are people who are people who you have a

person with your faith a day, we're going to think the the classic that's a misa when

has a body. This subject of this is in his roomed and he

and he and he doesn't for something and he's he

can't with that you really you you really you you're

Yeah, you're going to practically without or in a form of a very fragile. Yes, you're going to

make to feel that in defense fragile, that's up he was supposed that he was to protect the he was

that he was to be to look at the right right to the place of the room, there's an entity

from a present a a a a a a but when this

is a better when there many we're we're we're yeah

totally totally of a oh yeah you you you're you

the question here the question here that's we're in a different to a you're you're talking about

the malavision you know that in Paraguay in these regions there there's

these presences but everything all around we're doing the same we're we're

we're we're that this this tassah there's a moment is a

tass real but if if if there was something that

that that that another that one the universe of

the universe of the azas and the reality parallel

in where have all these some of them more spantos others less espantos but

that are the men are the different of this we're talking about these of the eminent obscurity in quite to the

comportment and their intention exists this other universe parallel that is something that I'm that I

have it's sylphid sundinas sirenas all this and that whatever person in his

same who now me is being to this type you let's be a canica

look at to be sirenas and all of that well in the theory insist I'm

there's this universe where are the the people of the people and the

people a difference of what we're about the shadow people that the

that the is for your comporting in this universe fereico the

clarity is denomina for the place where they are so the

people the people are in the air, in the light, in the, in the, in plenodia,

for say it in a lot. Those of the penumbras have it in places like arboladas, bosques,

the oria of the rios, where they like to be notews, and those of the obscuridate

not is that are not there's there, there's a thing bad there there in

there into, but are those that are the closets in the casas, in the sotano,

in the higera, there are, there metidos, and they're in the iguerra, and they're one of them, because there's many of them are the dweens,

and I'd like to talk about a story of dweens, if you'd be able. For favor. Look, in the dweens, when we talk of duend, is that,

also, me can't the stories of dweens. Beto to know if some day one of us have been dweens and then we've been us,

but it's beautiful. The dweens are of two great reigns. The dwinds are of two the silvestres. After of that, all the

other are variants, if it's a fog, or if it's a quiet folk, what that's

each one has their characteristics, but are silvestres and domestics. They're very antivus,

very uppegated. They're a pego particular to a person or a place.

So, for example, you know those that have been in a mine and no way

to to take them. And every that someone will do a mine, of those minas that you imagine, you imagine, that you imagine, for there, that still get, and that they're all over-

their own-turbos, those domestics are appellation to a house and a family. And no they like the changes.

They're all the they're going, and so they're in the way, in the here in Puebla me told them a story that

me he was because, I was I know the people and it was a rareissimo, a good day,

there this sir, that is a an electricist, industrial, someone very prepared. This tip-a-so had been a dude many years ago.

His wife was a lot of his wife. He's due to work, heached. He went to the country and he had to the

other. A day to get a Puebla. A one a plant that is in Pueblo.

I'm not to say which, but it's a plant enormous. He gets to work there. And as

he's a house fija and nothing, has to have to there in the carretera there was a lot of

and asked and they said go to come to come to the woman. Ah, very well. And resulta

that the senior fullana is a very very limpio, is a person asada, he's all the

days. A day he says, I would be I'm, I'd probably you'd be come to

very well. And there was the life, and it's going to the days, the

seven, the days, and every day, every day, every day, get there, until that's a time

when he's recogying all and he says, I'm going to you try your stuff, I'm, I'm trying the cargionette,

you get a and that's like, oh, this, no see what, and well, yeah, he's a

house and she never let's get to do that all the things. He's imagine, obviously, that that's a

woman has a man, and has been a and he's and even a penado, so for a samee

advance and all the day next he goes, because he he has to come, and he's a person,

and he He says, no, I've been I've been I've been. And then I'm I'm going to do you too, but

nothing more to the door yeah, so so, so, so, so, so so, so total that's

going to do you know, pass on the days, pass on the time, the time, the day,

he's, a day, he's got to come to the door to the house. Total that

one day he says, hey, look, you know, you know, you don't 20 years,

I don't 20 years, I'm biude, no I've got no no compromise, because

I can't pass to your house. Passar like a simple to take a coffee, invite me a

something. No, no you can't. Why? What are you do you? Dimmel, for favor,

because look, that my intentions, total, until that that she says, that there's a

guy, he says, he's got a calliard, he looks like and he back up

and he'll be again, he's that repite, is that in my house there's had been

you could have invented whatever other other other thing that's How, for that

You know, for that's Enter, for God, inventa other thing, dike your abuelita. No,

no, it's that in my house there's a duent. And what? That when someone comes to be the

house, he's a crazy, and he says, no, for God, no me

you know, me say this things are good, and the type, is made a rogote

and he's really a really a because he was sure, he was, he was going, he was

going to get to get to get to a family, a In my house, there's a dweens. I've been.

When I'm my mom, the dwindle yeah was already. And since she was a chica, yeah was the dweens. And every time that someone enters, he says, no, no, it's not, no,

I think. Pasa to see it. Total, that day he's back, I regress a few days after. Lever, get to the house,

to talk to the woman, he says, let's, the man, says, you know, you know, no, it's,

no, no, it's a, sit, sit, sit there, see, now, now,

and he and he says to say, he, vang, bang! He tiran a little in a abitation

that's about in a house very simple, very rural. He tiran a lot of and he's he's a

little bit of a little more more of creativity, and you've been a little bitation and is a little bit of things taken.

Well, he goes to and he's going, and he's he's going to what, and of what. And,

is that in front of him, not there at a-at-at-at-or-court, but in front of him, all the latas, the soaps, all the stuff, all that was there put in a species of

repis, it's a lot of total, that's a lot of things, he's a little more more nervous-it and he's a question, you know,

but what is this? And then the the sill, where was sent out, but he's a little, and the type, no be nothing.

Because, because, and as soon the duend, those doens, when they're They want them to see as, not before.

And obviously, this type, the only that I wanted is that he was that they were, he was, he was, he was, he was, that

he's got, the subject this, he said, well, yeah, me go, yeah, p, p. So, it's really spantado.

At the day next, or some days after the day, he's going to, he said, hey, well, what we're doing,

he says, well, it's that is that's that he's going to the car, it's going to be to the person, not to the

house. He pego to my mom and when my mom he came to he came to he said he said he

about he. And he and he? And so, and see. All the chister was to go

to get permission, peddle give him give him give him and give him some

little little food, man of sweet, pan of dulce pan of pulke that is a

thing that's a thing really that's prepare for a car pan of

pulke and so so, a little every that he gave a permit and I'm

and I'm and he was like a year after the after they were in many many

years. Some time after they were and they were they were people who

were people who when they were when they were they were he's he's

he's he's going to be going to go they're going to things

bonitas things of colors of colors, they're in dulces, because I said that

if I don't start a lot. The great question is, one

that the woman go to know to where is that do you doend?

And that's what we know. But it's a story that I'm that I

talked about to the person, that was the person, that was the

people, we're all there's when they were the program of radio of the

phantasas, well, they're to talk their story and so it's a way,

and so they're going to and they're really a lot of what you're in a little in a little he said,

or never he? Never he? Never he never, never, he was, the woman said that she

he was to get to but not corporee completely. A difference of what you tell you

that the dweend with the dunde with somberito, zapatitos and she she just she had

a kind of a space of a That if it was a small, that was to movey, the plant of the floor that was in the patio, entrava to the house, and no could have gotos.

That was a detail curious that, I remember, no could have gotos. The gats and the dweened not so they'd get them well. So, to avoid problems, no, they never, they were exactly

exactly as, like, as I'm, the body of, the dematic of duendez, yeah the people know, to me cause a much problem.

Because, at final, I'm in Montereyne, and here in the city. And that tematica I never heard of her until

yeah very great. The only that I'm going to be something were the Elfos

when I read the The Lord or these books of fantasy, but no there was

in the folklore of the city. Someone that you talk of the duend

or not or not that I know, but me to be to be

to know to know to know to know to know to know people that they

have been and then I top some myas my years of the

years I'm I'm about a year and they're they're they're

they're having a money they're a money because they're

to know a country to this this when

they're they're they said I'm they're there there

there there there there too I'm in There's some politics

for certain places in those that is prohibited to build. Because it's to give permission to and it's

something that the people and it's a little the whole it's a whole of the world it's a

world. That's you have you have you have done any experience that type? No.

No, no, fichate that no I've talked personally see

or not not, but if being in places in those that the people are incomodied.

And that's not so it's a thing. During many years were hegidos. And they're tithers of

cultiviv, obviously. When the civilization and it got to all of those great terrae,

it's a building and this edificio and this building to make a sootanation of the other for

for stationing and when when it's the part of the part of the of the house, they put in the

almasen where they are in the materials, the kitchen for the people are there and they're

and then they're not, and then they're to get to when you're to be in the campment that is there

about, they're there's and they're they're they're doing Rises no,

no, they're they're they're they're a blunders. One person before in this

long ago were times were times silvestres, places properties properties propios

for the presence of these things of the naturalness. Figgate that

me has all the sense. Right, right I got a doubt, but there

there was a person that also was a measure, just a construction. He was

a construction to build and I know, I don't remember, were in

the house of a house, the so I didn't go,

I was this question me have been counted that there in Merida, before to build a

rite they're doing permission to make a question. I said, but yeah about in

confidence, it's part of the folklore, or so, just it's just for the people around the

people around the and she no, no, no, no, no, no, it's for the folklore. And then

he said, in my experience, that was before to you take those and

to do my own own, I'm did they were to do this, not

they were and in the two not he was able to do the construction and it's

but it not they're not not even involved people were because they're

there and the vigilants and the things were things they were they

were things that they were there accident after accident

after accident and and we're we're we're we're different

constructions and only in that's it was that

was I I learned I learned the game. And that's all the people here in the

media, it's very, very clear. So, it's very interesting this tematica. Yes, yeah. Now, you know, also you have to discard other possibilities. In the case particular, of Merri, of this

area, of this area, the peninsula of Yucatam, then you're in frontas with the Aluxes, Chaniques, and a ton of things. But in a house, also, you can't

have problems, for example, with telekinesis. That is a phenomenon, the psychokinesis spontaneous, recurrent. That is the

classic of that's the little little you're playing, and you're a kid you get to get the tases.

That's a is a phenomenon that also could be confused with duendes and with other elementals that's

from different from the demonios domestics and things of but in reality could be

a phenomenon of psychokinesis spontaneous recurrent that basically is a faculty

of the mental not it. It's something supernatural in the sense of some spirit or

something, but a person that has an ability extraordinary to project mentally a certain

form of energy that induce the movement in the objects. And that also could explain

in some cases the phenomena of the duendes and in many cases the

phenomena phantasmals also because as you can be probably

that can be a little, can be a person, to be and they say apaget solace. And so

phenomena very interesting. I think you have a story about that's no, with Nina, with Nina,

with Nina, Yeah, yeah, of the actual, fission that I'm this story of Nina Kulajina

just because I took it a little more, I was looking phenomena that had to be

with the mind and that were in the Ruele of the paranormal. I Tope a doctor in

Harvard that she had been had been at the project Stargate And then she

commented that she had been done on a lot of people and that the day

of the question, the question, the doubt, not is if exists that capacity. That's

we have clear that is the situation is the domain and in how

how how there's there is where we got in our project.

The reason is for the question she said, the

excuse that us did in the moment, was that

there were more different technologies than the espionage for the mind. So,

that you not require to invester so. What I think, the day of day of

is that is that is that the investigation. Simply simply changed

the person that they were that they mentioned, they're saying, they're

saying, you're in a case that's public, and there's where I'm, I'm is interesting, is

strange, this chica for the people that never has heard of she has never heard of just before

the second year in the time. He's, he's during the happen to about

there's about but his life in what cab for the of the

normal I think considering that I living in some times

very really but of the repent, all being in the presence of

a doctor when it's adult, they'll notice to something to know a very strange in

she is doing a hand and totally concentrated and they're that's

that's the point of the trance but they're something that they're a typical

atypick at the point in that the doctor begins to call

other colleagues and not they don't give an explanation

to how could to choose always the I was when they were in a

different order without even to look at them then he's to have other type of

phenomena strange. In your house, when she inohed, the things are

moving. The things get and they get in books and it

and it is the first that's the thing, this is this is this,

this is a correlation between that every every that is that is a

change of humor very very very there's things and movements in the

case. Just what we about we're that some other guys and the people

can't have in the type of explanation. It's a moment in the this

is a secret to voices, gets to the government and goes

of the government and decide to go and

and there there I don't remember the person

who is people that people know of who

in comments, but this scientific was someone who was looking on people who were doing and he's not very in serious

the case of Benina and and he's going to make it and they're to determine that if you can't move

certain objects little serillos some those objects that are like like

quadros metallic and they they can even even to talk those these objects

they put in a type of a cube we we're some images

for that they are in them they're in a cube that

they're in a way, and they not can manipulate those in

any manner and they're they see that the

experiment that the things were more most impact

was first she was she she didn't even

to even to even that was that never

had seen the person the person started a

at the point in the point in the that he was a point in the type of military. Some militares

they're to get to a quarter put to a sapo and he said he's

in a solution salina I don't see the sapo or only his

but they ask to be the heart the heart

after that is doing this situation to get to accelerate it and

that and finally he said that they're and she he's he's he's the heart

of the sapo. After of this Nina is infartal the few days

or months and she starts have a problem in the point in

that you can't do do that time after in the years

in the years in the years 90 in the 90 in

1990 to 60 years and she is the day of day of

the first psychica documented that in all the problems that there was,

in any moment he could have been to be that that's that you

know, I'm the story of a little a child that that was

that was that was that well, well let me let me talk

with Nina Nina Kulagina and that was that was a one a

russita very really because was a backita so

she Something that little is that the little bit of the first year

during the second world when the second year when the things were

after the during the second world and the end of the because

obviously they've had been so were women and

they're and they're they're not they're not but

many times. So, they're all the he took to be in a tank of a war. Wow. And obviously,

you know, that's not to go to get to talk to your friends. This woman he fired a cano-cionazos

to the progim, and she over the lot of the men, and he saw,

and he was, and then he was a teas. Well, all this, I, potentialized,

that would have, that temperament extrao, but also those faculties, and there

there's a way, that it's not what did you don't what But, but she said that Nina Kulagina

officially was retired from the program, not only for questions of health, but because a good day,

while they were they were those horrible that were the Sovietics, because you know that there

were the things very bad. There's, there's a man who got to get a and he was

you, the rana, that he put the car the person, he he put the car was the person to

the man that was doing the no value the better we're going to look at someone more but you're

all the reason this is real and in the case of Nina Kulagina she was worked on

sessions of concentration for example and obviously the US said nothing of

this is all that's invented that's the reality

is that I'm the reality is that I'm the case that's let me let me

let me let me check my data, because I always have done. In 1938, was that came to the case of Joaquin Belasquez. Joaquin Velasquez was a

child of 10 years, that a good day, a delegation of police of the city of Mexico, abitored in the colony portals with her mom and her papa, he gets to the

delegation, accused by the becina to provoke a jubia of the pietras. Obviously, the

police that was there was there of having has hailed the Pellos saying

what's the thing? The manned to the no, no, no,

no, no, he's noh and they know how the little

no no is a not so what I don't know the the

police that he's a good that's that you know there's no

there's no there but actually there a person

there a person a periodical that was the press,

that was Guillermo Hill and the photographer Miguel Casasola. Miguel Casasola is the man of the

Archivocal and his brother are those photographs of the revolution. Well, they were

the whole that he was the thing and he was to be the family and is the mom to

the fact he's the real real he's not when he's going to go to because

they're so I know I took a play with the bestina the

the She said, The lady She said, the first of the Colony Portale, the way you, the case is that

they're saying to get them to get around, when the woman that she is going to get that her hair to

hangar her and Bumpa and they're they're going to get some parts. Obviously the lady's disgust and it

demand, but well, no, no, it's when it's he's there, this man, he's going to talk to this

and if effectively occurred things like like so he's

he's he's sat down in the mess and he's a

little and the other and the he's he is the mom

trying to get and he he's he he he

and he a time it's a problem because a

time psych kinesis spontan and and other other

other sometimes that he different for another that

was that concentration that had to to lose to get to and to get a

and to get a get to he's not this type was a much more

because he was he said he's when he he said how it's what you

say what he says no, nothing simply I think I think that that's a

I want here in the table and the thing is a thing because they're

on a article in the press the 5 of May of the

year and they're to interview diversed different people to Joaquin's the director

of the hospital psychiatric, medical, medical, the government and even the delegate of the

there's there, the colony portals, get there to be there and they say,

that they make a something, and to say to all this people, it was

a fraud, and they're they're that he was that he was, he was,

to get a and the classic, and move the feet and things of those total, it's a

unaccredited much to at the point of that the child to make the little and obviously

there was problems in the area. It's called to a fraud and so so it

was a public and it's a deal and then days after they're

in he says oh yeah that's that's that you don't want. Is real what you do you do?

Dinos, in short and in sincerity. Is real? Or is a fraud? It's real? A ver. Yes. Sientrense there.

A plen a light of the day and in the patio of the house, eh? Nothing of that with cortinitas and in the no, no, no, no. Trajeroon, they're a mess of

a mada, uh, for there, is going to be a little bit more a image, certainly. Pone in the

table, the chameco, a stint in a sillet to the view of the world put the hand it's over the mess but

not pegas to the mess but the table and the table boom come to come up up around

and then other things with a cubeta with a little without total it was real

was decredited as obviously it's soly decrediting these but the chamacor

was real and so real that they just they've got to get to be

because obviously when when he know, you know, this chiquio, I mean,

from the family, from the house, to the mafia, the people, you know,

you know, you can't have been a mind, for you do you, you know, you can't

know the combination of a car, that you can't know the number of the

lotteria, which, for a certain, he, he was a fact, he was a

prognosta. He had this fact to exercise psychokinesis spontaneous and psychokinesis controlled

but not could know the numbers of the lottery. The problem is that they started to get from bandidos, mafiosos, politicians corrupts. Well, they've got to be. And no, it's where they're. Well, probably the papas, you're going to be there up with the Creator. Because this was in 1938, Joaquin Cito, had 10 years. Is that's a year, it's going to be in the 28. If you, it's also, they're going to go to there up with the Creator. But it was a very interesting. And it has much to be

with all this that we've talked about when Joaquin-sito could be spantar to someone making a

person who had a problem with and think that's a thing that's that's those phenomena

are really really reales that would be a part of the investigation you know you of the

laboratory in Duke the laboratory in Duke, the laboratory of a paracology they're in this

and it was real, no, no, no, of course I've said,

no, in the years 30s when it begins to surge an interest after the phenomenon

of the occultism and the there are people who there are there and different universities

of the world start they're for investigation parapsychological understanding

that the parapsychology not not even the future no buss phantasmas

but he studies the phenomena anomal of the mind um

psychokinesis the phenomena psychapa Psygama, those who exerts in action over the matter, those that are you that exerts action on the pensions. Telepathy,

precognition, clarivincia, vision remote, are in those that are in those that action on the mind. The matter is psychokinesis, the famous dermovision or vision

with the pill, that was to be saying, what you know, was of Nina Kulajina, that was another of their faculties. With talk, saw what he had in the

that is vision dermo-optica. And all these phenomena, the temperature, the pyroquinesis is stupendous, because, there's many cases for there. This is studied in Duke.

There was a doctor that was the doctor J.B. Rinn. James Banks Rinn. And this man, with his wife, fund an laboratory of investigation

parapsychological, financeded, and patrocinaed even by the government of the United. So, so the program

Stargate also deroged money to medical and specialists in this investigation. In Europe was the University

of Fribourgo that had the carterra also of paracicology and so this thing is quite real.

If we were we're we're going that there's a lot of things very interesting that are

more than the superstition and that are quite reales and all we all we have done

we're really very interesting this this temat me really

much the attention the data that you mentioned that the character the form of the form

of being a form of a form of a lot of it has to be a certain sense also with the

personality in the case of Joaquin me I'm I'm made

the question of the Dr. Grimber that a talk that he

took with a program very known like a faro if

I no remember he he he he do

with other psychologists and people who are called, let's the therapies alternatives or therapies alternative of 1980

and he comment a about that the chamanes of Mexico, one of those characteristics is the

constructs that they're from the nature. So he mentioned that for the form of

creance of some he has done in special in the case of Pachita

that she not question about what was doing in no moment for her

was a 100% real and that's that it could generate the deformation of the

reality. When mentioned a Joaquin in the case of that he simply

he wanted something that it is a but it could be a true and the

conductor there because many of these phenomena occur in a

sometimes in people in those justantly just they just they're

not possible and it's possible via the experience that Interesting. What interesting.

In etapes of change. In a tapas of change and it's going to happen. And also

in persons very major, fiftate. In persons that are in a change total, can be

this phenomenon that's that's in the theory, we all we have we're

and there is a thing that is a very interesting. When we're we're not we're not,

and these neurons are allocadisimas. Because, because you're all you're a baby

of three months or four, and you're to do you're to come. You're doing when you're doing to do you to get a

bag, don't you need to be able to get to get you for nothing. What are all those those neurons there?

Well, alocadissimas for all the others, making a badvariety and media. You're two

years, still not can't be well, you know you know you know the caricatures

you're still you have much of that. Then you the The poda synaptica. The poda synaptica is a process in

where we pass us to be this creature dependent to a creature operational, a creature that yeah is move, that you know that has to go to the baio, that has to go to a school, that has to pay the things, that has been to do for some myself some things, and a good

part of the functionament and all this movement erratic that there, is there is a order and a good part of those faculties that we we're in

they're because not they're not you're not you're not we need to the psychokinesis or the telepathia

or nothing of this she's going so the same the same the man of the caverns

the man of the thing that's it's a man of the carvenas are paludable. So, we're not. It's not you're getting to order. but some

people no. For some mysterious reason, these people, conservant

still are these because they're not using those because they're doing

they're doing them. And the same and the things and the people,

they're that they're that they're things that we're not not we

see them and interpretal because during this process those

abilities not they're interesting interesting. Piggott, this is result me,

you're just doing, I'm, what impactant that, and of the fact, I'm going to

get to get, the podcast originally, I'm, I'm in these thematicas, because I took a

reason of that I'm trying to, and then in some moment I said, oh, and if I

want to talk to this, is possible that I can't topart to a way more

more more easy, with people that have this type of experiences,

and right with the information that you have given many things not, not they're not you're I'm saying a very good

work, I'm just you're doing to the mind, something that's something of some

years to and I've brought me present. When I I was a adultente and I

studied the secondary in a college lasallist I I had a conception

very specific in the religion. I don't say that is correct

but so it was a that was a a combination between spiritual but a bit more a bit more

I mean I think that there's a lot but also I think that many of the questions pardon

the dogmas of faith had to be more with the social and that was working

the society so that so you not it so I'm something something

that I'm something that I'm a person to you had a much

a man a there's a there's a a little in that time I think in a right right

as you know he's there's yeah I'm a great kind of a time in this time he had

he's about 70 years very a person very a person very a always with

anecdotes and a callity and a callity he was the he was a man

he went that he he had to present a miracle and that he was a

to share. So, he knows that some after he had had gone, he had had gone to Atlanta, and in Atlanta, they were

with a situation in the apparitions in the Virgin, this in the finales of the years 90.

And, and the fact, of Monterrey, there wascursions continually to Atlanta,

to go to go to see to see that. They said that the sun was moving,

that were that were some were in those were in the the person,

and that the people that had like faith, that is difficult to say exactly that is the faith,

but we're they're in a form very, very pure or of a form a way

in raisada in so or with a credibility total in what they were doing,

if they were not they was a not important. The material of that was a new.

Then he had a rosario dorado. And the he said, we're going to

a rife in the salon and for that's all right. This Rosario, and so is real, it was real, it was in the matter. And when we'reas there,

it was made in this. It was four times and the four times he regressable with Rosarios. I took to know

people that were in and they said, I saw, how it was it was made, I didn't,

he never ever had seen and no, I've never seen, I've done, I've done, I've done

a revision of material. That's also also is real. But it was an brother, the brother,

was a person that no he was about the questions and he liked him like to guarders the

things, but this he was he was he was the time. And I topo

with the Virgin of Mediugori. Yeah the Virgin of Atlanta yeah nobody

about this situation and they were the virgen of Metjogory Apparitions

Continuous in Yugodia of a virgin that It's, it seems that in a serro, in a

casita, and the people are going to because they're going to many people when they're

in the description of this, it's the thing that it's the same thing in Atlan.

The sun is there lights are the different, the figures of a virgin,

but you're not a little when I start this. And me

top of one part that was much macabra people

that are in these peregrinations to the of the repent

they're to convulsion to be talking to have seen and they're in a lot of

that the place in that they're doing that many people that are doing those predidations

in a certain were they're posseidos and if they start

to be exorcism in quantities enormous one a day I've

had the time of the last a day about a top to my

my brother. I mean I was a much to tell stories of and I'm

a lot of people who I'm saying you're saying you're I'm saying I'm going and I'm

having got all the they've got to all the and then my one day my and says

I'm a story for you I'm and I'm said, I'm very well

and I say you you know, you know, no, no, I see who is for

the calabos this program of the 90s and so I'm a story of a

to banar. You know, you know what he did what he and he said, yeah the

question yeah, he's he's he was living a situation personal

very difficult. In this situation personal had had to be a

televis and had generated and some different and

finally he was like in a situation familiar

media a real to this when they they

televisora. He had moved to his family, like for two or three cities different. And now he had to do another time a change. Then then decide that the change no, he will be able to be going to be trying continually, practically all the time, and he goes to convivir. Then, he said,

me will matter my spouse. No, he will be to hear this, but we need a the job. Then, to see, and say, and it was something very strange, that when when he came to talk to her, she'll talk very well, he's, for

the I'm sure, he's, he's, I'm, where, where's you're doing,

he's because I'm a new, I'm, because I'm a proposal. If I'm you're going to

accept a trip, and I'm planning from that that's a time. I want, I think we

to go to the virgin of the Mediugory. And he he says, what? How?

What? What? How? What's, there's, there's a place in in Yugoslavia,

in Megui and it's appearing a virgin and I want to be able to because they're going to be many times. He says,

I don't know see what's the place is? And he says, look, for you know, for you know, we're going to

go to Europe and only two days to Meyogore. Ah, well. And says, me does a great trot. The trot was

false. No, there had a trip to Europe. They were to gore and they were going to get there,

but he was he went to he said, he saw, he saw, he was a empedred. Me had bought some tennis

to go to go to get to go. It was a place that was a place. When we

met us to the hotel occurred something very strange. The hotel was a hotel very

pouperrimo no had no amenity it was a place very very

very very said but when I start in the court the

my my he has to get much to

a to to pordem and I went to

to the manager and that no, nobody has been

to get a question. They're and they're and they're a pester, but no, no,

they're not, the rest of the hotel, none of the hotel, no, he's so I'm a way,

it's a little, a little, that's a case, then I'm to say, my

wife, let me let me know, we're, and we don't know, he's,

the day that they're going to do the pregrination, he's he's retrasa, and he's

in other other other thing, I don't I don't have Gets to go to get to

that's a Rittery so they're going to get to the final of the pregrination

almost after the last time but when they came to happen something to come to

a lot there was sound about grittus and it was a word of a certain

and be that he's a group of people he's done the person of the United and and the

two see rareos and the United of a car like, I don't know

what's what's what's what's what's it's not a not a

way of the way of the way of not there's because I'm sure that because I get a

person who and so I don't want to I don't want to I'm when they're

when you get a the little because I'm that they're there's a little there's a

little bit the time the time the time and it he's got being and he

And me in Spanish, Esteban, what is this here? He says, no, you know,

you're to be to start at the aridos and they get in the three to get in

the place, the place, of the day, I thought that there down I knew,

and from there, I think I'm going to my life for

complete, because I was being to change. I'm much

the attention. Because he had been been a person that's he gave

to know just to be a person for someone who was going to get a thing,

all the content, all what had to do it everything was a something

that was a very constructive and that was very

very strange when when I when I think I I'm I

I'm I understand I I'm there had two had done

a one that he had had had the fact, and

the presence as a place in the place and where this or this

or something, then sort of effect that you. It's correct. It's

correct. If you say, in the certainies, is, I've heard,

I've heard stories of many, even in cases, to be in a place, a place,

uh, with this type of energy, a force, spirituality, that we call them, the

light, or a, it, And it's eradicate that that's that into the person or to alehm.

If it's previen, what is there is previen, no want to enter, no want to go to get

and, and also, these things that are people, they're not they're doing and they

have done a car, prepareate because at the way you're to get to get a get to be

to get to come out, we're going to be going to get to some things. He took so much

because obviously could get to get to work, and he was to get us. And that

the advice of what you do you're in if you're in you're in you're not. It's correct. It's correct. So,

you're in a situation in a situation like, I think there's a situation as a psychologist. We know.

All when we're talking our history, we're always we're going in her. It's very rare to

talk to a person that is a person that's normally we're the hero. So, then you're

that you're the hero and where you you topas a villain, TV and you say, I know you,

you're the of those mios. I think that does a change of mindset interesting. Yes, because even the

assassin's justific to some way. One's imagine a one of these criminals that are living in a macabro.

No, well, in some moment has to get to his house and it has a

thing that's what he has because the life he's got because he has to have to

get to all this we've all this and these beings of the when

someone to make to the obscurity, for what that's that's part of

the group. That's that's that's this thing. These these themat

to you in the personal you generate something or are of the type of

thematic I've known many people that in questions like

in questions spirituales prefer they're they're they're they like

they're like they are some some There are things that you have to try with care. So, so and one of the things

of those things, of those that you have to be very careful is to be the way of the above. Because if you talk about it, it's just easy. And that has passed to us another once. You know, you know,

the case of Annelis Michel? A woman a woman that was posseous and that fellacy during the exorcism. It's a case very sad. It was a movie of the exorcism of Emily Rose, but it's the case real, well. This theme, we've been treated a little bit. The

case is that one day, someone us sugary, that we did it in a theater, a presentation with this thematic, and we'll see themations original. Not the editations that are in YouTube, that you pass 20 seconds, all deformed, but the originales, where it's a father Reins and all the joculatory that they're doing of the ritual Roman, and all that you, and it's all

that you and you hear how contested this and it's impressive it's very

very important. It's a moment in the not a lot of voices at time and that

us generated many problems. They generated many problems? Yes. When you when it when we

did it when we did it things from things from problems in the car

problems in the cabin, failures, problems of the problems of the time.

In the the theater, we did it was apagable, the console not transmit, the lights falled,

a realer a realtor. And then the sensation, we're just we're we're going to all the

people, the people's really a lot of when you're not a movie, it's a

carganta of a chick that is a dead and is being that's people,

they're not not, it's not, it's not something to be something to get

content. And then we're the same, the sensation was very fea. You sent you all the time. Senties that

there's that there's a part of there. We've had many precautions. When we're we're doing

we're doing about we we're doing a certain distance, we don't we're not we're not

we're not when when the list of numbers, we're not to say those if it's a case

of an exorcism for example and they in the names of the demonios that were that

person or that they were there, we're trying to to leave a little to never to say those because I insist to call them

is to call them and they like to be to be a lot of a little bit of a distance that's interesting the question

a level personal you you think in the existence of these entities? Yes, sure.

See, look, not only just how how to do it? No, is that I

a fanatic religious or nothing of that. I've I've had been contact both with the church a

Catholic, with the churches with the curanderos to the long of 20 years

I've talked to talk to talk to talk to many people and so

sacerdotes as people like pastors, pastors, ministers. And what

they're that's logic has to be to explain certain

to and that I've made to think that if there

there there there I'm I can't I can't

No, I think, as a place that's a lot of diables with trinches doing maldades. I think there's a profound perversity in certain but that is probably of them.

If not is something that's a condition, it's like a lion that's like. The lion not you come because is a malo. The lion,

I go to pass a plate of a point, and decide to attack because you're going to comeer, because you're

his food. So I think is the same in this case. The problem is that, like with the attack of the leon for us us result a terribly

perjudicial basically is that so so I think that's this I've seen things very rare in persons perfectly logics so persons prepared

with a thinking logical with a life normal and that they're often experimented things rarestimas that have to be with

the beings of so that's that is something that is something that is something that me me I'm, I'm preoccupied

enormously. Yeah. In particular, is one of the things that obviously we're not our favorite.

No, is your favorite just for that because it is, okay, okay. If you you let,

for example, the job of Jose Antonio Fortea, I've seen that you know that's known, or

the father Gabriel Amort or the Malaki Martin, of the United, or even

the of the Nett and all they, they're they're much in that

they're much faith. Even when they're they're a lot of you. You know,

I don't have a question. I don't think you're not we're not we're not we're

so much as we're not so I think we're not we're having some precautions about. It's

certain. It's sure. Figate that at the people of the years

and I do I'm I'm I'm always I'm the people or more listen in

the audio books or the father Gabriel Amort because although here we we're

the parts of the stories, the most of the majority are very very esperansadores

because you know the rest of the part that I'm that I'm there. So,

so it's, what is? This is the exorcista more histories, the version in English

but is the same is the same, it's of this type he said, this type was this type of

me, I'm just about Gabriel Amort. Lastime that you also that's

But if it's a It's a So, I'm a And the people And the people And the I'm a

Dehaping of aftor of that you Dehhhouser to That's a Exactly. Totally Decocto

Totally of course. We're We're talking stories Relacionated to questions mysticas

Right? You're to talk about a de Luz? For For favor. For favor.

For example. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see in the time. That's a phrase that

is a phrase that we use much. We're Mexico, in 1630, more or less. Date an idea of how is in Mexico. Yeah, with the colony on the same, yeah, conclude it was the conquest.

But the middle of the territory national, or more, neither the evangelizers, nor the Spaniards, no, has yeted to get there. And, of course, the bullet of the Papa, the order papal, of, if I'm, if I'm the correct, is Adriano. The Papa

Adriano, that they're they're that they've to do a year. It was a year. A order

that said that we had to evangelize to all all. The case is that not he had

been able to do in the part of the north. The part central was all

all done was all evangelized and all was all was all of all

the not. In the north, the apaches navajos Pammis

well all this in the fronj of the Mexico, no

they could evangelize because how times they'd for there frayles, they were to them to be able the plate.

The case is that in that year of 630, a group of Franciscanos another other ever

they're to be a place that's called Kiribah. Yeah no exist that city

there's there, there there's a ruinas there, but no it's quite clear where

was a community there. The case is that they were the humanes

that was a humanes, that was those people are all nervous because the Jesuitas

that were a little before after. So they're going to get there. And when they're

they're in a surprise tremendous. Those are they're waiting. But not with arcs and fleaches

or no, no, those are you don't know that this people know the

people know, they're they're they're they're rosarios? Rosarios? Now,

that mentioned the Rosario, yes, they're there. The case is that

that's very rare because they're because they're people to ask the

people who are going to do you know what's a who's how they're this this person

this person and this people who was going to get back to who went evangelizing because

nobody had been to do that there there's a total there

there and a good day Benavides that was the head of the

the general he he said to the head of this Edna

who who no care not I know what's the total

the actual, the fact is the thing is that there's many times many times

there's many times there's the the ciffra was enormous the people is partying

the voice for all parts the of all those apaches navajos and all

that those are those were doing more for that but but this

so this are they were they're they're they they're

people someone people come to mount in the church, the classic

adorned religiousos, the image of the saintito, and one of those images is of some monja a mona

not so what. And the people get and the man he's a rodilla front of the monja

and then to the man to he's a little bit a little that's a court and

they said, but why the man of her and she's the dam blue? The dam

blue? How come the dam Azul? What are the people? terminate that there

was an woman that was that was the way that was all the thing he was

the cross all the legachow of the godolical and he had left the rosarios

the case is that benavides says well where did where do you don't know

we know it? Well simply yeah and then he gets and then he goes

he's got totally the sure they're probably just before we are other other frails

and yeah but he kept with that thing after the earha in a year after he

went to go to he's he's intervista to make a form there internally

even when was the rye and this was a franciskan well some some

some he said that when he said that that that was that

was a woman in a a woman a woman a woman the rome the

she no no no no because the image of the virgin also the we've,

we're going to. So, then what is? No, it's a mystery. I'm trying and it's

when the re-le- says, why not you go to the convent of the convento of

the Zorae, the Abadeza, that is a person mystica, is very a

she, no, no, no, be for that. The rey

he he was a mother, a Sir Maria of a great,

that was the abate of the convent and was a

family of people of people, and dothes mystic. So, is that the rey, yeah, he's about that,

and he's a banded a bad at his burrow, they're getting, to come the door, obviously, they're going,

he, he's, he's over, and he, to be a moment, and there's a mona,

son Maria of Areda, whose habit was a blue. So, well, let's get the

attention to that you, and from some they're, they're a bit, a

Man, how rare is all this. And of a point to say, pardon, you know,

you have a thing to be with the people of the new Spain? With the people of the new Spain

of Kriva? You know, you know, and says, yeah, that's, like, yeah,

well, they're, they're not, not, they're not so they're, there's a question,

there's, there's a, total, she's, she's the, she's the she's the she's the

she's the woman of clausura. Never had never had said, more, no

they're talking. When they're talking about a time about a thing to a little

a little to be a woman, more than a little and the habito and so, but it's

she's she's that she had been many times and that that those people

they were they're that they had been the got the rosarios of the

convento to a new Mexico, well, to the new Spain.

Total that that that all that arma-a- -o- because this woman

is posseida or is mintyndo and the Inquisition and it resulta that the Inquisition no encounter

of where this woman not she had that's not to be a and he's he's a he's a

yeah, so, yes, for grace of that he right, I'm this woman had

no noocations. Never and so when they're they're to ask

to the people that had been in those people, she she's

she's she's she's with luch of all and all saying all

that is that does the name of the chief of that group where they're the

appearance of the appearance, but then they keep to the point in the

point in the name of the frayles that were in the mission

there in the new Spain a months of distance

of any communication and even he a thing

a part of the of the Spain, I knew that the captain was

a twerter, and he had seen the details total, that people that people was in

a lot of the time. He said, Sir Maria De A Greta is a condient in Santa

Catholic and his body is un-corrupted. It's one of those peculiarities locochion

of this history, and it was a phenomenon of a vocation. What you

is a really? It's a fact, I was looking talking also of her

of her, of Santa Maria of Agreda and me top

with It's not if the information is 100 fidegna, but they're that there there's a

another other zones and that again occur to do the same. But, that this

expedition was much time after this and they said that's many years from the old,

a monja and it was the same all the description, all the data, and she

apparently that in some moment about about that not in all the

those the people were to visit her received They were very. And there were some that they received very well, and that when

they said, dairies, she said, that in some moment, they were to explain to her, and she didn't know said, nothing. So, nothing more is, are things that occurre, no, I don't know why. But if the phenomena of mysticos, are, are impactant, are, this, this rupture between the reality and the fiction, no? Yes, and this of the relocation is

very different to the double. The double ethereo, no is physical, it's a projection mental. Here is two couples in two places different. And obviously, if you pegs a laticazer, a

peddra to a car to be in Arizona or in some part, then it will be to doleer to the body that the world of that's a mystic and

all this, no implicate that your body physical not so much. That interesting, there's a data,

I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm doing the documentation that is impactant I want to know if you have noted if in the bilocations

This is the first case of bilocation That's the first case of bilocation that me top That the person is conscientious Of both parts The cases that had Saviolocation Even here in Monterey In the years

6070 There was a sacrote Of course they were That while he was He was giving a Celebration of Eucharistic A Misa at the domingos,

it was many people who were in different families, but he not was conscious. He not was conscious of that

second part. And when he asked him, he no he was about it. And I talked in

cases that the investigation, one of the parts is, let's, the real, the other is physical,

but no there's a law, the labor that is doing the second. Depend, because,

for example, in the case of the Pio, Pio, the Piotr,

the Padre Pio also also had that same problem no solia to have that point of

getting that and get to the picture and see that but he was conscious of that was conscious

clearly yeah there's there's there's a there's a general the general the

the the car no the the general that's going to not the there's

there's there's there's a there there's a battle that it's a battle of

the war of the know-se-k-k-k-he-the-cass-general, one of those derotas spantosas, she bochornosas, go to the cartel,

he says to the guardia of the door, that no dege enter to nobody, that, for God, no dege enter to nobody, he gets, he's a-re-a-pocket,

and he's going to get a-tire-a-tere-old. It's-all-a-d-usperation that's-to-he-he-he-he-cund- when, of him, he-rereve-cund-the-crast, so with his habit of feo,

so maybe gris, because it was a bad thing, he said, no, no, it's a good

idea. And he's he said, well, who, who, who you didn't know?

No, no. We're going to need to that's that's all this, you know,

you know, not, no, it's a guard, that, so, so,

total, the general, he's he gets, the but how you're to get

to get a, and I, no, so and the what, and the

The poor guardie is that that tumbled, because no know what they're talking. Pass the time. The general no has that kind of. He's not his revolver, and he entered the of where the monge, because no where he was where it waser. Total that issue he

archivated. Passed a time, his wife, he'll hear to be of Pio of Pietre El China, the Monge's santo, there in his church, and he wants to go to see it. The general, now is military,

yeah no has nothing to be with that, and he does gusto to the spouse and there are both. When they're going to the convento, piquet, they're in to talk to the, Padre Pio, the woman, you know, is that list, with her mantilla, there to redire, list to make

his confession and all that you, and appears the Padre Pio, as always, me diRevoked, medium dispeinado, with the habit me too chueco, that laso in the cintura, me dixtolgated, for one side, so, like, rascandose,

and he says, how much, General, how we're going? What nightcita that's that night. And he he's a

point of a point of a put to do get a real real he's, he's he's the

frule that he's the house that night. And if effectively the general was part

the key of the second of the second he was going to be able to he's

he was being completely and he was a palmada was a was conscious

of to be in two places or when he was a front of the Papa and he he said, he said,

no, it's a good idea that they're doing that they're going to do and do you

in the proper Vatican so he he had that that he's but many others not,

many others are they're they're not they're not know but in this case

but in this case, and in the appearance that he's not the general because I'm I'm sure

that's many of the moment of the intent that, that was that was failed

when he's the father Pio to when you know in person then the person to you the physiognomy

changed no know if you see it's in the physiomomia in the yeah

the age in the that he he's no I don't I don't probably

not but finally he's he's he's very much very very much

because always was with his barbittas and all his

he never came he was a was a was a man was a

man was not he then his appearance really not changed. Yeah,

being very old-you- and it was, and it's probably for it's not that you, but I don't have been

a little bit of you know, a time, no, yeah, that's the time, the time

future, would be that he had a thing, was a thing, that's a thing,

for example, when he's when he said, he's, that's a episode also that's

that's a way, that's a person, and, and of Pronto, he

appears a conventual, a frayle, and he said, I'm going to say, I'm saying,

I'm going to the future involve these phenomena that are in those of the

mind, not. I mean, these situations of not to know to be

things that are going to the projections, but lamentable also

these occur in this part occulted and there the people

of the people I'm too I'm in the books of Richard

Gallagher North American who has assisted no a million exorcism

and he when he's when he's a carrer is because he's a person, well, yes,

with a formation religious, but is a person a person a septic at a sexiatra.

Of the fact, it's the line psychoanalistic and for those who know the psychanalysis basa much

in the interpretation about the things that we do. All has a significant

profound. So, the religion for the great majority of them has a significant

also that has a nothing has been to have to be with questions religious

so to have done a person to be in this type of this type of

a particular is a not normal or aty not. He, in the history

that is of the most that is that was the case that

he has been about a woman that she the

name Julia that he was the name satanica

but was a woman that she was a

cult kind of strange in the whole he had a name of the

reign of the reen and she was a kind of the thing the day they're

that they're going to be a situation because they're a morning the

night before to know to know to come in a other

of him Richard Gallagher this psychiatrist no he's no

the day the day the next he will know he has no he has

but he has he has some mascots he has some people and they're to be a very rare

they're going to get to get to do that a lot of something and it's he does it quite a time and he

and his his wife decided to separate those in the habitations and they're

but not they're they're notormal simply was a situation very aty

typical that he was he was he he was too the

time the day the day next in the morning, I'll have a

time, he's a time, he's a person, he's a person, he's a person who he has done,

he has to be this chica, I need to you know, and then she'll be being, and

he said, he said, you know, a night the presentation with your gats. So,

he's he's really, he says, that never you'll never you want to

do you want to say, I've I've said, I've had been

that you have been with a other and at the same time there is a second

dialogue that she said but she he's not there there's that no way that she

that she was a door a door a door and then conforming

commences these the dialogue with her says the that

from the first she she there is there there there

I'm I'm very I'm so I'm I'm I'm

with you I'm I'm that's I I'm I'm a you see

a person intelligent but there there's a but there is the father J that's

in the text of him no he's no he doesn't say the father

j right is in a play he he's doing his

he's he he's he he's he he's he put

X Ropa and so so this is a part very

interesting when when when When when you're in the paper of psycholo, you can't be able to

perfectly the other person and not you're going to you're going to your pointes about your things that can't comeprobar

and the ones not, of the consgettura that's doing the points of those that's getting and this is

very impressive. It's he'll be to say the pesk and it's like, one

once that he's made to say all the things about that person and it does

if you and those we'll know if it's a brabuckor in this instant he's to be a

know he he's a he's a fact and in effect all what he's saying this chick is real

and then the father he says you're you're she's a other league you know

you know you're so it's said it's it's more than what you're you're

still and you you're going to you the work of the psychologist

he's the part totally the line of the spiritual

what is that is that in all the parameters of the problems, and we're in,

let's people, that's people, she can't any other one or other quadro,

and from and from it, and from it's that's being two, but you know, how you know,

how is that a hundred of kilometers, she has got data about what what is doing, how is

when he even even exist in cellars, or try some, or try, or it

can't pass this information and how supo the of my gats and she's going to the stories where she says where she has no has much effect neither the psychiatas and the psychologists

because they have led her and they've got got to and he says I'm in this instant that independently of the

things of she about she she's a person a supermently lucid and intelligent and is here in the here and the

here and the hour is present in the reality the things that are those around are

things that are inexplicables, but she not is a loka. And then I said, well, what happened with those psychologists? He said, well, you me encargue, of that not me received.

What? The cats. And then he begins to enterers in the data, that could affect the comportment of animals. He asked, what was what he did? He said, a cato-blanked that he has done. He destroyed

a cello in the favorite of her his wife. And since, his husband, he said, he said, he said, he never would ever to receive this horrible woman. He said to me. And, yeah, no, me Kisleron

Recivil for so I'm going to these data and he's not he's situations

medias atypical medias strange, not are very much, the actually,

not are really, but no there's not so that one day he gets

the call of the sacerdot and he said, oh, he's

occurred a situation a year with what what was we

we were we but but of a repent we said that she she didn't

that she for favor she'd come back to her and we committed the error to

make the father J we went in the car and there went the assentto and there

was the he said and he's what always what is what is what he's he's

he's he's he's like if were a woman and he was

a Julia Les Pertenes to them that we had made a pact

with them that she had been that she had that we didn't get that we're not

we're not fucking monkeys and mention the sacerote the mention of simios of monkeys of changos

is something that's something when we're in the exorcism so when when we

said that just just said oh, and there is where it's where the

special the he said that he said, and said and then we went to we're going

in the carreterer and we're going to those people floating, those those

those those were like humanoid and they were all all over of the carterterer.

It's clear that we've never we never we never even seen so.

So, I'll with the sacrote that me he makes a signal and

when I see the tableero the table the table and it starts the

light the they're in middle of the night and it's it's a totally dark and we're

not going to get to get the carterer where I'm we're taking we're we're to get us to

get us we're getting a rato and when we're we're saying she's all right

to do you we're we're just we're she's in the she's because she's because

yeah at this moment we're we're in this trance of possession and when it's normal

because if she what she has is another situation. Richard is going of the history.

Result that in this cult, this chick, one day really was he offered her his body, he was her

his own, he was for the powers. And it result that the powers that he

was able were to know, things occulted of the people, levita

to a conscience and to be what they're doing other

people in other other other other but she

he wants that's that's a type of exorcism because even that has

many many years he has been a tormenting and that the day that they did

the power's the and they were the that they're that

they're that he has he said he's he's he said the he's

a man he's he's the person who's the he's the he's the

he was he he was the ritual offering to the new that when they

when they went to this ritual, came to the situation. Julia instantly see the

the suffering that was going to and that was going to look to the but he

said, there is there's a there's there because for one I know

I know that she not that she was a a person a spia

it was like if was it was of us and in the

fact there's some of I'm going to where they're in espied. If there people who

was empeas to get to get those the domicilius to them, the families and the people with those

that were involved. With this they're getting with a person that was a

big deal, no, a person that not was a person that was the last thing

was the last thing, he said, I'm saying, I'm not I think we'll go back this chick

because not going to go to the exorcisms. Ayer we've passed something very extra.

What was? If we had been a session as an exorcism never, this,

what what was this. We were we were this. We're just we're just we're just to bring

more people for that us were we're three exorcists two monjas and three people

who were to be to charge of her in case that that's to be

to contain her. When we started, she started to vociferate, voices of man, and we started to maldecise

things that well, you know, you know, but then he was the extreme. He was to

talk in Latin, a Latin, a lot of a lot of a fluid, and then he was he was

he set up to the and he began to get to get to the chair

flotando, they And, and, and with all his forces impeded that they'd keep up to get up

to the actually, if not it was because practically all the we're

having toped with the door. We didn't if what he had in

that was that was just to but after that

he he back, they they started to hear

in the bitas besties grunied and coming of things

that were there to the point in when we started and we started the oration

of the exorcism the unyedos us interrupied and if really was a terrible it was like to be in a middle

of a cellba in the that you that was that was that was that was

after that we know another situation in the we're not we're the quarter started

to put to be the cold elad elado elado and when when it

was a point in that's a extreme, it was to get a kind of

like we're like we're in a quarter of calderas at maximum and it's a point

sofocant that we know we know we a tranquillity after that after that after that

Julia had never and he said no I think you I know I'm going

to go to go Richard received a call of her

and she he was he he was to go to because

this entity with the fact that I had done the and that I had been in presence of the

of the sacerdotes and of this psychiatrist he said I'm going to do you to get to

do you and he said to have a suffering that was that's that's that's

that's that's being it's impossible to get a down

then then she he said I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

continue with this I'm fear, I'm aterrata of what they can make do the

people who the people and I'm that I'm a new and that's the story with the

that Richard Gallagher says, was the case, I'm the day of this story

and he said, she said, she said that she could be to be public,

but he said, I'm saying, I'm that the day of this

day of we're we're we're we're we're we're we're

we and if they they're pudy? Is that what has

described is a phenomenon very particular. If you see you well, it's a false flag,

to a a banner false. What was what was the intention of this? To make

the curates that they were to be much chichos had had a fear?

What has the does the exorcista not is their force.

In reality the exorcist is only only a

vehicle. The what is to ask is, to above and that

faith is the that helps to liberate a person but if the the sacerdote is retracted because he

did a fear he he did mean he doesn't and then what he was there

was there he went he he didn't because not it was not they're

not so as as as it's simply what he is

offender the that the that more offence that

demonstrate that your soldiers, your valiant soldiers, tumbled and the that's the

true. And for other other side, this phenomenon right that you're talking to this, me came in

a term that not is very common that is the term of the integration demoniac. No,

so you have seen mentioner. Integration demoniac no. Well, the

phenomenonology demoniac is very very varied. No, it's from the oppression

that is to make fear, all this, the influence, that is

that they're that affect not physical, but also there's the influence internal, not is the possession, simply is metered ideas. Then, then this phenomenonology of the

possession, in where something control your body, but not can't with your soul, but so with your body. The peor scenario is when you are the possession. Is when your soul, yeah not is where it should

be where it, but the other other side. And it's for a sort of a kind of a little bit of a demonio, like if you were as the posseous, and at the time, what you possess is a concept a little rarrow.

No is very common that's that's a position voluntary. And the result of that is that person, can't be exorcised, no can't do you know, because has been for voluntary, is saying, it's a little bit of a behead perdita. Yeah, no-it-a-one-a-oh-oh-oh-a-oh.

but if can provoke this type of offenses. It's a burl. What he did this

woman was burl to make a burl of the power divino and that's the

story of Richard Gallagher, that for sure, is a tippas. I've

said, you know, you know, it's a case, is scalofrient. To me, these things are

those that really me provoke a thing is that you appear with a phantasm of the Tia Juanita that felled last 30 years and pass in

front, caminandum, well, well, yeah, Pover Tia, Juanita, no descansa. Impone, you provoke fear because it rompe with your creencia of the reality, alter all, no? No, you know what about but another very different

is where really you are really you're in a problem. And these phenomena, as the thing, is a phenomenon in where the person is in a danger. And of that,

let me that I'm to tell you a case. I was to talk to another thing, but I'd tell you the case that us He knows

a pastor. This man is a pastor exorcist and he has a well, participa in

a church and is a type of sympathicissim that when you do the hand you feel

scalofrios and you see because obviously we all we're we're

and this man when you know you know you're you're you're you're

like you're you're that's that's that's that I I'm

that I'm but in reality is a great type

He us He was about an episode in Guajaca, in Salina Cruz, Guajara, he's not,

a series of a series of a little church of an little community aparted. It was a

celebration with music, can't, orations, all this, and in the middle of that he

was a young, a man, a man, he's a little to retorsers and to

present a symptom more clear of a, not not a possession, but of an affectation in some degree, for demonies, no? That the subjecto reactioned in a form horrible, and, well, it's tranquilized,

finally suspenden that cult, every person, come after their house, vengan after, they're going to they're waiting, to realize a liberation. But obviously, for a liberation, it's required, that

who people participate in conditions to do and the only there regularly was in conditions was

he's always in oration that's in communion etc etc but but I need people who

was that when he the first first time it's the liberation because this chico

wants to keepers the is a thing too is a thing he wants they're

so they're they're so they're they're they're a error there's there's a

When he started to do the oration, there was another chico in the room. A day after he's he's been

a lot. And you you know, how he did. What he was doing the first,

for possession, for affectation demoniac, he did the second. No, is that he was he

was not, he's posseid, the according to what he's he says, no,

it's he's like if were all chinches or pulgas. But when there's

this, this is this this is this to resist it. And it's a little

or in some way in a little one of the thing. So this is a thing that's a

because obviously we're not we're not not of us and none of this.

No. Sure. Sure. Clarro, look it I know, no, no,

I know, I know, I'm, in this type of cases, but it does,

you're, it's all fact the entire the entire, that is when it's

when it is when is centralized in a in a interesting, interesting. And so,

remember me the term, for favor. It's the... The integration. Integration. Integration. Integration.

Integration. It's a termino rare. No, not is very common that is used. And it

is a demonology or in a type of religion specific. The term as a terminole of

the integration demoniac is Catholic. But not you're going to find for there is something

of what not a much. Yeah. Yeah. It's the experience of

Someone us He said. A someone who's a person who's

who's who did some other things, we know some other recommendations of what

we don't to say of what we don't do you and we're some something to

care to us now right not I'm not a hand but

no something that we appreciate much that that when we

know we let's like that's another another other day

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I'm a crazy yeah with a lot of a lot of things that I'm to investigate

so so very very grateful something something something to be to the family

night the audience of the one two or three things the first not don't

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that you trygals so please take your precautions not it's a game there are

there are people who have been bad with these things second no

don't call things so much people me say no look

that the lecture of cards that generally the people that I'm they're going to tell them. The lectures very feos, too, of phenomenology paranormal.

One thing is the one of the other. So, they're going to call something or if they're going to open a

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a sub-be they're doing what they're doing, but not those. So, they're much So,

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