HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - INVOQUE ENTIDAD CON GRIMORIO WICCA |FT. Mina Martins | EP 134

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

Lo que nadie te quiere decir acerca de los pactosBienvenida Familia Nocturna a éste nuevo episodio de @HABLEMOSDELOQUENOEXISTE , el día de hoy nos acompaña de nuevo una super invitada la buena Mina Martins; les traemos historias bastante tétricas que involucran GRIMORIOS Oscuros e historias reales de brujas que llegaron a ser de las más importantes hace ya algunas décadas en Nuevo León ; Mina nos explica cómo podemos estar utilizando Magia Gris sin saberlo y el significado detrás de ofrendas que parecen inofensivas que la mayoría seguro han hecho.Te contamos de varios establecimientos con actividad PARANORMAL en Monterrey y de uno en particular que vivió y aterrorizó a Ben Shorts.Nos metemos de lleno y nos preguntamos si debería existir ética en la brujería; WICCA y riesgos de manejar oráculos con vibra baja. Historias de brujería y amarres que salieron mal, y como cereza del pastel Mina nos explica como hacer un Hechizo de Magia Caos. Todo ésto solo aqui en @HABLEMOSDELOQUENOEXISTE Vean la capsula de contenido detrás en cámaras en @CronicasdelNarrador

These entities always are going to want to do something. I need to do you need to do you need

to do you know what you want to do you do you know I'm doing this is the devil well this new episode

to this new episode to let me the day of today we we have we're a super episode

because is here a friend a friend of a family noturn Mina Mina

how you thank you thank you thank you thank you being content to be here with all

you know I'm going to know about when I'm about about things more anecdotes, more stories, more things to

about, debate, even, and thank you with your community for the support that they

do they're and me to be to them one of this. One of this episode

in that we we're going to about to talk of types of bookeria

and a little about about about the of

the first first question you think in the Brugheria?

Yes, yes, I think in the brugheria but there's to define

what is the brugheria for every person, no, because brugheria

is a definition very, how can say, how can say, that's the

word, because it depends of the context economic, cultural, social

and religious that any person has, no, the

brugery if you do a preception Christian, it

is all that activity that you do quarsos, this incinso. For them,

it's brusheria because you're not you're not because you're valiantote of a resource material for to obtain a

a moro, etc. So there I enter an edificion of brugery so let's let's say

that the people that really really if is a, that's a platica the bruchery

practicant for example a mago negro there's there move there crystalitos

and incidences because that's not a drug for the mag for the mag or the mag or dragon

for the mag not he's not so it depends on the context of cultural, no, that's the use of this definition of the use not so common and a through of those objects,

emit us some power or some, some, an intention, some, how I would

say, an action that has a a level of the reality, or a level sentimental

or a level economic, or et cetera. There are many types of of what we call

a grujeria, no. If we we're we're not, if we're not the santeria

they're they're they're like the Wika they're they're

they. But really these practices are not considered as the way but it's

that's that's that obviously there's there's there's there's many many different

things no so that's also the religion for example in the Catholicism the rest of the rosario

this has it has a fine no also pidle to the and say tell

tantas times the abe the abe I'm I'm doing not doing a

doing a They're going to say, how you atreves to compare the religion with the, with the, with the brugheria? No, it's so,

but what I try to emphatized is that we use ourations, us usamos objects, we're using, questions,

for a thing an energy, material, or et cetera. So, so, I'm clarando, right,

here the fin, not is, too, that I, think, the fact, the truth,

and absolutely what I want to put, are, so, are, plantamments

personal, I'm not expert, or nothing much less. And, obviously,

it's with much respect for all the people that people who have this because there's a

cult of the murder, there's people who even if you're even if you're a mango about,

but it's a question of what is the druggeria for every person, because it's a question, depending on

their system of your Grand response. Fidgette. Me, you have some various ideas

in those that I'm going to be a time that I'm a lot of because I know a

story of that time and this is a story real. For a situation personal, I need to

do some detail, omitir some details there, but what I'm going to tell

right is a situation that existed, that happened here many years in

Monterey. here in Monterey, we're going to put him a time very relative not is this exact

there's there's there but we say that I'm saying 70 years

a a a a that was a person

very but of a profile I mean he's a person

was a very important enviued very young and many this

person for some situation that I because that part of the history is totally pretty perished into where I'm I'm into artes magicas

these arts magicas was something very strange in the form in the form in the way because many about these grimorios that the grimorio

you call and you can't and there are very macabras that have been made made around to grimorios

but really macabras and have been people that in the comments I said I know what

you're talking because me I'm the when I'm doing that's a book very obscure. So confirm

it's a story that me made a follower that when it when it was a little when it was

a house of a house of this she'll get in the house in the house in the house in the

house in that I've never had said that's so. So, I'm in the

second of the second of the second, I'm going to a room, remoe, telas because something is like

if I'm like I'm here I'm talking a book where I'm the book is a

little bit more and it's like a and it he's like if you just I'm I'm

I'm and I'm and the postas I'm put those monsters people

people without people and and pure images that my age

I'm they were they're being making images I'm having

I'm much Mido. In fact, I had a lot of but I'm doing to start,

but I'm going to be it's a when I'm to do you know, I'm going to go to

get, I'm the I'm the I'm going to see that and I'm going to know,

not they didn't know that I see that. And I for me yeah, it was like

to never to never to never. I'm never the my mom the

my mom so, this type of things. I think years after that was

a the Bruch. Well, the point is that when when he gets to the house that the day, the book is in the entry of

his house. And she says, no there's no way. I'm in the house of the other than I'm

there. We went to the house. No, there was not the other. And the

book, and my mom will be a and I'm going, no, no, no, no, it's my my,

it's my, it's my , let me get to get him, and he he's going to go

a lot, to a land, a little, he, he When when he

the book is the book is a little it's like like it's like it's he's a

and it's he's and he never will see the rest of the life because it was

like she was like she she was all the and there and I know that

the book is because I've seen that partada and I've seen that type

of description like of the content I'm I'm really

really so maybe is whether but the book

the book is there have The point is that this Brouca, of the that you

about the first of the person of a person a person powerful and that in artes magicas

without exactly how she she didn't find a grimorio. She wrote a grimorio.

She started when I started with people and we was a grimorio

not a black or a grimori because there was very oscured in this grimory

and there things like very related to the bondage and to do you do things. What what happened is

that she has one of those kids had much a peg with the she was she was always

to help her when a part of the he took 12 or 13 years then she he started

to learn and she the other other I just I'm the grimori

and was a person like very a and egoista and she

had all that the richeces that was generating her mom after to do this type of

work. We're talking that this woman was born millionary. He had many

houses in different parts of Monterey. Also, it was a person not was a but she was

a lot of things. He was a coffres full of alhazas in the in the

houses there were in the house and he's a quantity of money in

very little time, close, about 10 years. Well, the the daughter that was the girl,

he was the property, property, power, luxury. The other, I thought, she had a

very can't her way, she was a time, was trying to help her people, and she

did some things, when she went to when she went to the people, I'm

to do the she was like she was like, if you had to power over

his decisions in many occasions. Or, like, I'm like to do it. She's not

exactly why. The point is that's the time is that this is that this is not, this is that this is

the child, and it's a little bit, that is this little bit and the little bit of the mother, and

one day the mom, and a mom and when the mom now is when the mom is all the thing, and

You live in a place and there go to be there's things there's there's and there's

things like when she's when she and she when she she's about her and no

let's enter. And he said, now it's me. And in the

time in the time in the house, he gave her his mother's and he

did her her man and she had a much character but not a kind of

of a kind of kind of kind of so then he says, me you

you're you're you're no, you he's no, and he left

a quarter of a house for that a little for then these chicas have a

two years the little the child is the one of she's the she's

a family and she live in a quartuch in a expense like of

the dadivas of her that she had little and of a little bit

and the parto was a patio and the house no no that was

the her of the her Her mother, she was formed in a mechicero very known of this city for

altos at the level of the whole the country of the and they said that had all the

quadra and all the house and it always at the 7 of the morning,

terminable at the 5 of the time, never I was never

after that was all all saturated. This is the center of the city. The other other

that went and they had had services, but it was a minor the quantity and she never was

to be able to do that other. The other conserved a primorio, had all the rickesses of

the mom, but a day, he gets for the patio, and when this

she's she's to attend to the people that was the person,

the she topa with her and so she says what you say, and he

says, I'm, I'm what what I'm And he says she, well,

so, many things that have done are in not quite. No, no. I mean,

I think really something is really, I'm really doing what I'm doing things in the

house. I think something something I'm going to my hands. For

then, both have a family. And then the her and he

let the cards and he says, no, not, not to do it does what

you have to do it Good. The good, the mal. Yes. Well, in this situation, the other

is going to be to her house, they're to have much contact. At the time, the children not are children, the children are adults of

20 years. These two persons, yeah are their years, and are people, and they're

people, and they're people, but yeah on the third age, one day he's the

one day, the one is Mal, the oscura, yeah no is having clientele, yeah no

there's a lot of the caravia, and he's to have notices of your and they're and they're

very very strange. So, his sobriene, that are the children, the son, the sobrino,

is all the time in the patio of that house, and the subrina see that

all the time is that gritting shes, and malditions, like, exigient

things, no, they're they're not they like questions of chismes, then so it's

so on two a year, two afts and a year, and a day cessing the house, she's gonna

the curiosity, she met, and she he's a manrowered in a camera, that's

her mama, all, the, how can be said, almost mummified, like what she

gave to give to not to come to even in the admission, disappear the house

is destroyed. No they're going to know of this family. What was what he

said? And she what I saw in the cards is that his prole she was

to destroy and then she did or not. What I know is that the

book was that was the book in a certain way by what

was the was the was the one was the my mom that that's

that's he said, that's he was a position or exercised his power about the

person, including the same the girl. So this story has some of the details that

is because the while I'm saying, it's like no can say this,

no can't say this, but this occurred in Monterey and it's like, like,

many generations, to day to day to that family yeah no

there's there's there more. So, So it was a family famous of of the city

that's a that's a let me be to say. Let me. Let's do you. Let's go for the more

details. Well, see, the grimorio in this case, well, we'll

let us the connotation of the good and that's bad because every kind of

depending of their things, systems of to decide that is what

good and what's the good and the grimorio is this compilation of the

or spirituality or like to call it energy, you know, you know, then you're a, you know,

where you're to put your your experiences, this, for example, see, the cards, what cards are

that are the things that are the things, formulas of, no, say, to do a

be a veil, and that's, to do you know, like, factos, with entities,

with, with, with, with, so, so, so, so,

I think, in- -s- in the same, more more than something that the

mom has done a kind of a special there's a pacto because this me sound

like that it's a entity of a demonio that he gave a money but he paid things

and then and a final of you know that the people think that the

thing that the thing of the money and the material and that

for me many of many many many that that grujeries for

to have money, but never they're to have repercussions and the level material,

then they're going to have to have a time. But for the regular there's

a pattern very marked that you or you end you end up so

because, because all the cost. Also, the person that the person

that the person that it's not, or so because really because really

you're you're doing you're when a person let's say that

a specification when you, even it's a, a man a magic that's

we're going to do this ritual to try to try to get a big, so the magic gris, because the

magic black is not more the we're going to spiritually. But when you're going the reality, making a

ritual of that you get a whatever or that even if, or whatever something

specific, no, of how a benefit a benefit. A benefit. Yeah, yeah

is magic gris, yeah has made tints that you you're doing

the reality, to get a So, so here in this type of

cases, I'm a sound that could have been a

fact of a thing that I'm and a time he'd

give a money. There's there's many people there there

can't give to help to help to it has to

get to get to get to get some it's so it's

something so it's and about and talking precisely

Fisade, what curious here in Monterrey, I'll tell a little story

of a related to about a thing. Fidate that I'm a known that

he is his a doctor, and it's these people that

are the agencies are a person that not from the other part,

that I don't say, and this person like they they're for

people for people of a level socioe economic, no. Let's say here in New Orleans

we're going to mention it, but you know you know, but you know, the super high, the super top, the most top

of the country, no? But to my know-and- he took about that they had to attend patients.

And this type of the people are, well, I don't know they're they're not, but

are the people who are the people that's like, like, people that's major,

that's well, you're very very, or they're very, um, how

can't say, that you need attention is 24 hours Yeah, people Yeah, people need

attention so we're to say he was to make on a sector of that municipality

that was so he's so he's so I said no, I'm going to pass for all the

security to be there but he's that he said that he's he's he's

he's he said that he's that all of these houses of that area

there for example in the in the area common always like an animals

and secas but there one in specific that he was a particular kind of a

kind of a chivo black so I was like a kinder or chivobal all the

cars to they were they were they're so then I'm that I'm so I'm

so that's a very rare that's because that's kind of that's even that

they're like in the area common so then says no

this people with the majority were people, the majority are people that not they're

very great, so they're so they're very affected with people, people of

much, muchisive but that were affecteded of health and that they had

to have their attention, right? of, how is medical? No, but,

but well, he said that, he, he said, is that I was

that, for the salah or so I'm like a bit of a bit of a

and he's like a no, no see, there's a one of this case he was in one of

his turn and he was a night of this typical no, of that they have to

get to to and then then obviously in these houses there's

service of the house and there there there there

so there that they they they they're that and

he said he he I started to hear that an senior major, that was not of this city,

too, that was he was going to like with someone in the cell, not, they were like the two of the

night, and it was a year, and it was a 60, and so it and he says that he

said, oh, go, with who he's, I'm, what's, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

and he's, he's, how, that's chivita, that's a chibbo- black, and then he said, oh,

this is the devil. He said, that the she said, he said, that's the devil and he's back with me

and we're going to say the she said the and that he got so like this this is like, so like,

that's like, so like, that's, no, because like a person to say, no,

but I'm, it's, this is this woman, to the dad, to the at the maybe,

he might, he's maybe, but no, before he's he's the

people, the people, that the senior, they had a

a lot of, they were like, people people that's people, people

to do that people like, so the woman said, that that cabra

and that was she was imagine. So, imagine. So, they said,

those families perteneasian like a kind of kind of sort of, no,

so, so, like, a species, like, a species of different, different,

of certain sacrifices, no? And in this case, it's there's there's a

where you know, you can't get the money or what whether it's by the magic, for the

means of the sacrifice by means, but there a repercussion. Mewartee, and it's never,

never is gratis in this world. The moving the reality, even even even to

a marre, it will coster. So, for that it's not even in mind in

mind, I don't, I mean, the rituals too, but, I mean, Cueado,

with the type of things that are the people who are very easy pacted, over all with

things of money, and these entities, look, these entities always are to care

something, even there are some offerings very innocents from those from dweensate, from a bandesito, from a manzana,

the fact of the fact of an entity you're indicating that you are an act

of submission to that that's even a thing, it's the thing material,

is what it's what a offer. Or an an offer a idea.

So, so you don't know for if they're trying to do you to do

a ritual of that type. You've got in the clave of a

question that I had said to much and not me

have responded I mean, me It's clear. From the Christian, the perspective of the demonia

is an an entity angelica that rechazzed to God, but that is, apart of that

his time of life not is nothing to because the is finito, but apart is a

very much quite, we're we've in an right right the I think the

problem of the most over the more there people in

some countries that they're over 15 or 20 years more but you're talking about that someone

that's someone who is super longhebo and it's said that these creatures are from the same

creation of the world and that has seen to all humanity from your time

so for us our existence is a a chispas what we we know what we

we're we we're a entire which a time of the

time of time of things totally different apart, it's about to a

level of a level of the world super a preones to the human

so I'm so I'm a little to say, a bit, they're so I'm not I'm

do the I'm do I think I'm really so I'm so I

make so I'm so I'm so because you do you do you do

do this so I'm it's so no you make you Because it has to be

with an act of submission. And, one of the details that I've known a través of these stories, that is something that is something that's

well, yeah when I said that's that's a experience, that are very legalists. So,

in all, contract, letters, very little little the validity of the world. So,

the exorcist about, that I mean a, I'm, and I'm really, there's exorcists

exorcists, exorcists, definitely and, and, this sastardote he was a

certain so not for a sort of a so I'm not for a but when you you're just

in this time there's a exorcists that, of the actual there's some of the they've seen

so that I'm so I'm really and it's horrible espantos and I the less

time that I'm more and there other that not that they're

not that you're the time that's the thing we're to sumire and

they're this exorcism says that at the moment to talk with these entities

the experience of the exorcist has been much because not just let's let's no no no

no no no salt in the number of who when you when you want you

want you want to you're I'm you're saying all of those details

that is a formula language that makes that has that has that it's

that can it's He says, because they're totally legalists. In my experience, it's like a... It's like a judge of a boggues. But, but as well, I when I heard of this, it's an stupidness. And he said, no, I mean, it's a lot. So, salt, in the name of Jesus.

When? And, and say, yeah, just in that moment, all right after, what we've done to do. It's, to go back. To where? And, he says, for not to say, where occur in the exorcisms, that enter in another person.

To another person. Yeah. So it's like, I'm legalisms, no? Yes, I think I think, well, here in the

plan of exorcisms, well, is something, it's like, it's like just, like what I'm saying,

no, of what you're that they're a manse, no, so is that really the people don't

have the conciences to know that for those entities, the or, the diamonds, the cars

of the lus, the car's of they're reen of you when you when you

ask you is something. It's a irrelevant. What you are you are doing in this moment

of your your being is something that's that you even even all the people

you can't be doing for some things that they're not they're so they're so I'm

mean, and the people in vultas we're victims, I'm all we're

all we're victims of consummism in some moment all we're

all we're not that I not not that I'm much less,

but we're going to we're doing that's a act of submission of, it's more, even innocently not see you've

seen the dwindes these, that they're in the tiends et cetera, and put it don't let's some moment,

you're, you're doing a little bit of because he is offering things. So, you need to

have to care, so, so, so, on the material, the, well,

so, not it's for critiqued cults, but, but, for example, I

see much in the cult of the MIRT of the they offer they offeres to the

people or they they're they're to have their they're going to have their

and you have to you have to respond to that that's because you will

give a benefit and you you have when they they're what's

all the stories of the that the mother that's

he's he's because that's that way that they're that

they're as we're victims of this consummism and of this world material and it's not not can't to give us

that they're doing the most valuable that they're to be the most that's to be able to you're in a

person of that you're that's that's spirituality or that how can say it part of

you have you you've been you've I'm I'm explain I'm a lot that's a

sometimes it's sometimes it sometimes sometimes not in quite to the exorcism

this, well, yeah, uh, uh, over all, with those

acts of submission, when they're there's and there people who have people who

do you, so, uh, for to be to get power or benefits of

there's people who really no have scrupululos. Me took it

a little a lot of a person that's a person who also

to do a thing, he's he's he's things of the

let's, let's let's let's let's this, no, but

he well, he's going to people, he's going to people, and detects

people that have certain abilities or dones or that have predisposition to have don't.

So, so he he does he does make proof to this people, he

mustra to his abilities or abilities, well, he's second he works with these

entities to the people that they know, that the archangel, Miguel, and all this.

So, then says that, before to accept a person in their group to

show them they put and they're and they they're going to to get them to get them like a

kind of a kind of like you're going to be to do the I'm going to do that and I'm

so I'm that you need to do a little you can't do you know what you want you

do you'd the life of your brother you do you me do you do you do you

do you want to when the people do that's I'm I'm of that of my circle.

Because I've topado I've topored people that no have scrupululos and that

are capable to sacrifice family direct, children, brothers with to obtain

money and power. It's very, very very very very

you, you go with the people that you want to any kind of

of a market to the market shire to the market sonora

in the city of Mexico and you you

you you things spiritual, that the most Tristice is when the family, and the most recurrent is

that the private are, to give a little bit, to say the other word, to give a life, to

their own to their own, to their own, to be, for money, for power. So,

that's, that's, that's, so, and it's one of the most recurrented

activities in what's in what you in the drugeria. Yes, yes, I'm

toped with a story that, well, no, not go to the man with familyaries, but if it's in a lot

material and the level of effect that can't have the person. I was looking stories of brewery, and I

tope with a channel Chileo that I know I know what I know what's

like the Armandad or something? Pogam here, people, for how it's

called this program in what they in the during a time of the drugier that types

there's this program so it does this one of some a person

that that says, I mean I happened something very, very

feo in for questions of a time and they're going to get envious and it

was going and I'm going to I'm going I'm married, my spouse, my

wife is very we're very father, she's her life is excellent

and a day I get without no the night of

the morning without the same she's she's before I

the last she is having a espantoso. Of a

really really fear. Much, much fear. And it's all in a real real. Start in the

house is something horrible. I'm going to work a more. No, more no more. It's not

to get me to get me to be able to get to be in dark and a day to other. He's a

way to do you know, I've adjudicated nothing to those things were going to mal and yeah. And

of a repent one day there's a storm

and we a tubba a bit of the patio. It's me very

strange. That part of the water of the water of the techo

that that was and it was so it quo.

Well, where that the tube, the part that

was the part that was where there's like a kind of

a kind of rolled. When I saw that, I mean, tell best what occurred is that that that was,

the tube, the tube, the tube, for the overpeas so he got. So, then I'm back her.

And where I goro, I'm, I'marred with hos as it's put there intentionallyally.

That thing not so, it's a thing, it is a little, and it's

a head of a diablo, and it has the name my and of my

and it has a lot of signos there and me I'm a total that the program

they're going to a person and this person to do that this person he's a lot of they're they're saying

that they're so they're there's a way that they're all the day of all the two is for envy the people

are the people are still to ruin to the other person yeah it's is incredible yeah

yeah well I well I think you I think you I've commented that I go to

like things of tarot and all and I know and me took one you know,

a chico that's a kid that's a kind of a matter of that's a

person yeah, I'm going to I'm going, so you know, then you're you're so you're

doing, no, is that just that's just that I'm a woman casted and so I'm

just a just I'm just, I'm just imagineate to where yeah to get

to sometimes, but I'm yeah why we do we do these things, no? And,

look, much people will say, oh, that the is a good and that's and that's a

thing, well, the brujeria is something that in all the cultures in all the religions,

even the Bible is the, the, the, the, yeah, from the

girl of that was this girl, I think is the king David, no, one of

some of some of the one of the kind of the kind of the kind of

the media, he He wanted information. Uh-huh. And he made her to a book, a, how are,

they said, a necromanate, a necromanate that, by the media that person, he gave information for the battle.

So, are things that are, exist, really, so, so, in the Bible,

in questions, uh, vaticisicas, in all the cultures of the world, if no, existierer, because all

a world, in all parts are repited, no? And all, of, you know, canalysandola

in a different manner the Celtas here, the pre-Hispani also they're in those histories

those chamanes so, these energies, I think is like a kind of technology

that we know we know we are the way to canalize these energies and use

those in the reality, no, but so it does much impression the

fact of the fact of the people, how, how, how they move

to to do these things, even malignan, no, for egoism, for

envisement of power, for ambition of money, and they're in things that they're they're

really, are really, so we're not a neophytos, the human is a neophyto in this,

is a thing of the existence, of what energy is start moving, with what

entities you're part- and really the people do it really a little to

something that, I think, you know to TikTok and you can't like a

broho a little a little a little something like you say you know not you're not some

things that are not not so I think they're to take with responsibility in the

sense of how to practice them because really at sometimes the same

egoism the the same ignorance they're to affect to people

that make a marres and they they're not and destroy

families and then the last they're they're so they're so they're so they're so I'm

so I'm like that impression I'm a question the conducts umna how it

how it has been with the of the the bruchery not fiatte that is

like I know a question that question that you mention that they're

there they're in the mind they're not for not for not

know to exime to have to get to a crime, in

no, in any moment to say, I don't know that's that you're not going to say, it's the same

like that. If these entities are legalists, no important that you don't know that you're

in this camp, in this terrain, maybe you're you're doing you're going to get to be able to get to be able to

get to a stupied, a caprichito. A capricch exactly. Or, a personality another that

adopted, and you said, and I said, I wanted to call the attention and you're the brouca or

the book or the no-se-k-knot-you- and, well, really, no, there's transfunds spiritual. A-vis the people say, no, well, I'm,

I'm a Catholic. I go, well, and what is the religion? When was it? No, you know,

when it was you know, I'm going, to be more responsible with the creences that one practice,

no. So, in this ambit of the Bruchery, well, is how is it's

charlat- and much of course, that's not, that are, that not are certain, but

there are things very profound is that is that is there one has to have to have to have to be with what you

are doing, because if they can get to get a can't get a many of the dark

of the life no say, things very things very feas that are very things related to

Marr's and some stories related to envidias but I want to be a parenthesis for

something of what you You've got this Chibo Blanco. Monterey is strange. I think

all the cities, but we're to emphasize to see to see what the stories that I'm

present. This family of the that mentioned that's the rato that form an some of

this zone of San Pedro, I have said, I've seen from different places here in

Montereyreey normally related to the socialeconomic in those they used for things

ritualistic. This is the Casa of Obispa that maybe you've got a bit

one you know you get to hear but also there there's there's

the restaurant that's like the restaurant that's like the this is this is too that's

literal okay no no no no it's a figurative no no no

no no you you know you're in the end of the one of the quarters were

them tematisasas and they're like this symbology of cower, the starry of five piccodes, very, like iconography

classical and stereotypada, but literally like demoniac. I think the day of today of he doesn't, it's been in the obispao.

Of this restaurant, I know I'm heard because I've heard of a YouTube that's called

Benchorts. Ah, yes, yes, I know. Well, Benchors took an

experience paranormal in this restaurant. And he the account and in internet, he says

that he went to a group of friends get to the he's

quite he got impacted because he was all he's a rogo but rogo

is exaggerated and in the fire for a there, there's and so it's like

well the food not the the food is more or less but it's

a typical is so so if he's yeah there's but there a quarter

that was there were a quarter totally dark that's a little

a big And like I I wanted to sum and me I wanted to me I'm and I'm

sure, and in a moment I'm going to go to go to be in and we metto the

court to for a for a very ral and it's a very little and has and all

front there there's a like a kind of a type trono all with a

kind of of a chiv so with with the with the with the exactly

and he also that also But, no it was beautiful. It was tetric, imponent,

a pelagio dark, a place. It was a place. Ferete. So, like,

like, like, so, so, so I'm, and then I'm going to

the place, and at the final, there is a car, where I

go, so I'm so I'm so on the and so so, and then there's

no, no, no, no, because they were, so, so,

so, so, no, there, Just is there. If they're, if they're going to get it, so they're in the other. So, it's a little bit of the place.

And where is, he's a little, and he's, because he's met here, sir. And then is, it's that, I, no,

we don't we'll met us because there's because there's a yeah, yeah, so, and he said, no,

I'm traumated of the place. There's there, they're there, they're getting to in internet, no,

I don't know the name, if someone if someone put it on the people, put it

a I've heard of that. That's interesting. And then I waske, if he existed. I said, no, I have to go. I want to go.

I want to go. I want to be able the attention. I see a little to this this manchard. And he mentioned that

he grew like a Catholic and in a way so. But, well, obviously

we know, we know, we're all right of all these fashas of the people can't be in

those obscured? There are people that is very oscura and that exactly

with things of the thing, exactly. Obviously well, mireen about

in a question in a question, this cultural, historical, historical, uh,

all this that we do we associate to the red, no, of the rojo

and the corns. You know, you're going to investigate, really, are questions culturales,

no, that we're we're doing we're These, some, are adaptations

artistic that were realized for give a information. Bafomet was the

cross of the time with Bafodmet. It was the pretexts that this rey

did to desacers of the templarios. This, v. Valle, are things

like very tomadas new, but the same education Judeo-Christian

that we have to do all of the world is bad. But, but,

but, but, I think the energy of the of the places completely. There are, there are you enter and even see a bit more,

a question a, a me, I mean, I was, with a place, where, where,

in Santiago, I never had visited, I've visited, I've visited, New York, New York? Yeah.

And, well, we, we're, we're, we, so, it's,

it, so, it's, it, like, to, like, because the people

like much like to eat chilaquilis there's like a lot of all the restaurants and then of chilaquilas

total we've been to go to be and we're in we're in these calliest of the plaza not typical

that are like some little little chas and peddras and me I remember that one

a restaurant one with a corner so like in a yeah and it's in the place in the

whatever I know no say I don't know to come because I have to come because I'm

we're a the place and it was a house, but yeah an old, but to

do it like if you enter a little like if was a little something that

that's the view the view you know, you know, govomones to another place and

in other place completely an environment a different in this

restaurant I remember in a skin so and it was and it

was the chila but no no no me did

like the kind of there there I don't I

like that I don't visitaria Oh, yeah, yeah, there's

there. There's there. There's, but I know, right, but

in Barrier Antiv, the people that's in the Monterey to know, there's

a one, there's that's very that's very representative of the

community and the seven, and like a three locales I think

is a bar of cab but so four years I

I took to go because the Halloween no the

the typical night of Halloween and all this and that the place to three, four local locales

of seven, that is of the people, that's the place there has there's a

very, very, very fea. No, no, I mean, no, I'm

that I'm not, I said, no, you know, says, you know, I'm sure,

even, the world is too, even a lot like a kind of, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I mean, for the people that want, and, I mean, I mean the

local, for suppose. But I don't my perception energetic not is a place a

place that's a what I was what you see what? Fiatte that was I was

there was much energy like there had had been much murders or so

much a the air pesed even even even

one one When you metes a place where you can change the

vibration in the so I'm experimented or something like that a atmosphere

very distinct Yeah, yeah you know so you see, you know, like you

see, you know, you see, you know, it's the energy, the energy.

Yeah, yeah, I said, bar of caballieros too, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, you know all, but,

but, put, in the And they're in-brews, although they're engruaged. There are you and they're going to say,

there's a story of the cafe iguanas. Ah, wow. If you know, you know, the cafe iguanas? Yes,

of the pieces of the cafe yuanas? Uh-huh. Yes, not, you know,

they're so chids. They were passables. Well, they're not so I know, that's not so, because I think

that someone came and it he's not me it's and he did a other, there,

there, there, there was a coinererer, that they're santao. And here I

again, I'm going to refer to you. Creeing that's santaero. No we know a detail.

The situation was that he's that he'll enter in the turn of the night. Not for

him. He was a person very amable and but were things and they

were things, be you sombras and they moved on the kitchen in the kitchen

and then they were they're like presentions and they had been years

working there of a repent it was impossible. For situations of that this

type no-se if he's not a way, we're going to we're going to let's

let us the next the next the time. He does they're doing all right but he's

going to he's going in the locker and in the locker and in the locker has been a lot of

things with rituals they're they're saying sateria but but of

the ignorance the The people don't recognize. Exactly. But the point is that they went with questions of rituals. They're saying

they're going to and they're going to do that person. What was about that person? Why have you that person? Because this

thing that's this thematic of the brugheria is very, very local because a lot of the paranormal

and a other than the paranormal it's a because it's something of what the people not

not is a bit a bit of sometimes is not much but the part to me,

in special of the brujeria that is a problem, it's a problem, is that it's a problem, is that it's a way that's the form to affector,

and is that the capricho of someone, even when what you're doing is affect to other person, that that person

not wants, as the case that you know, the same that the armarres, enter into what is magic rogeria roger,

or brugheria roger, that's, The roja is a magic that, we're going to a level a little bit a little bit

a bit more a major but literally can have tints of magic a negative. Arriva,

what means above? Powerosa? Yes, of power. Because the, the,

the magic negative is the most of this world, because it's a world material.

The magic negative the materialism, the passion is the tangible, no,

the material. And the roja is there into this. They're the theory of metaphysical is that the magic is that the magic is decompone like the arco-iris in different facets of color.

And each color has different perceptions or types of magic, not? We're going to say that, as like the magic, the black, is it composed of all the colors and it's played in this prismas

and you've seen the prismas, no? Yeah. At a level psychological, that also, that's also. The psychology is correct. Exactly.

So, The magia roja is, about the love, the feelings, of the emotion, of the carnal. The magic

blue, this magic about precisely the, the magic is a creation. It's a magic of

modification, the alchemia, what it modifices what yeah exists. The magic green is

of the most old because it's the that they were the first

people that were to have to have these, those, uh,

those asercamments spiritual know, uh, that about the life,

not it's the magic of the life that's the, the, the, the, the, the, the magic

marilla, well, there's, that's, that's, it's, about, the,

the, it's, about the the health, the, like, a question

beneficial, of the a little, the roger, and the black,

and it's, the rose, but it's, the rose, is like, the those endulam so that

for what thinks in you, but, but, so, to move-nors to a marre. If I'm explained, and a marre,

it's other thing, it's, for the more innocent, that it's like, the idea of, how they say, the water of calzone,

or how they say? Oh, how they say, it's, it's, it's, a name, but I'm a name

very curious, that they say, the tolo-h? To-o-H, that's the- thing, is the-of-cal-s? Well, it's,

I'm not, I'm not- a-and- both, but, but, but, well, so I go, every,

I'm, every magia is like a prism and it's decompone in different levels. So the magic roja, let's what is what is the most a pegged to the magic negative. The magic roja roja is two. That in this case would

the magic roja that about the passions, of the amars, which is the, I think of the most of the people use the areas spirituals for this.

And it has another ram that about the same. The sandre is a, how could we we'd say, for the

substance more poweros. A so a laso of a

single with a thing is a thing to do that's that's

that's the last of the thing and it's a more a

more a negative that that that they they

do you they do they get they they do

the those those those those most so I

could say they are more more more more

than more I mean, I don't know, I'm like like the expert, but the theory what you say is that, well, they're very strong, the magos and the magos are the most strong, why? Because we're in a world

of a matter, of passions, of emotions, no? It's the emotional. And, and, the endro of the amarras, the people, a lot of times,

not medim, or so, to be able to get a pair of something, are able to be able to whatever. I took a person in a

lecture that I was doing, and it was a person that in his cards me said, he had been

done to come, I said, I'm saying that this person like you gave something, because he was separated of the

person, no, he said me that you know, he said, he said, he said, he said,

she had got to she had got to do that like, so, something they did in those

got to be that got to say that he had been done to be the relationship, and, it was a

rare, no, I acude to me and so you know, I think, you know, he'll

get a more those gots and get to be done to be done to be done to be a lot of

the lectures. The ingest. The, the, the marres for the regular is more

when they're to get a person to get food. And to be,

so speci they're people or people, they're they're having to get them

to come them things, let's prepare not, more comprens

things in restaurant or something. Because much of the amarras came from the food of the

food. And you can do do fluids and things that's very pesed no,

from from orina is very common. It's very common that's

that that of the magic roha the of the marries no but

obviously an marre has a duality that yeah you can you can

you can get the person to you can't get the

the person but at the person, will be going to

you, because you are you you're going you, but you're going to be a 100%

with you. It's not going to be like a kind of a idea, only will be an act of,

how is it unconscious, an act, like, you can't a compulsion. Compulsion, exactly,

but, but, but, no, not you don't, there's, there's,

like, I'm, like, I'm, and I'm, and I know, I'm,

I'm, to the other, to the other, who, but there's a risk, no,

what's the thing? What is the Pago? Because there are many of the amars, the Toloach,

there are things that they're and they offer them and they're people, this thing

of the murder, or so there are many things. So, how much they're

to want to that person that are disposed to risk to do it, health,

mental, health physical, health That is what they have to before to get to make in a

thing. And is that that is a thing. Because I think the people a lot of people are

confunded much the love with the obsession or with the egoism. And then then they say

no, well, is that I'm a no, because if really the one of the

one of the things that would be their would be a thing. Exactly. Because that's

what as like, as as like, as one of the great things that we have that's the

power to be I'm not it's, or other things, but more not is.

And, and you're in this buskeda that's normally well. I'm

I'm don't know, I don't if it was a santer, because he mentioned a santero.

Well, it's been because I have been some of some satero and other

practices not are not they're not being doing like many things.

Yes, there's the Joodoo and the that is the parient of the

Budu-uh. Total, a combination. Well, in this mixulanza, this santae also also magia

and magia roger. And the santa mentioned, says, for the people who want them

know what they're doing, one, the marres only do you don't seven years, and then

after seven years, it's going to do that year that person, and for much. Two,

with the armre, you don't get the more of the person. You what obtens

is ligar like you you just said. And at moment of to ligar but not to be in

the only relation that's there is a relationship very toxic very destructive

that no there's that there no relationship that all

are bad and then you you don't because you're

you going to have to someone to be on a person

but in a so that is the amarr and not know they're

they're they're correct correctly I absolutely concord with the words of the person that's that's

that's what in any kind of that's going to make that's that's a thing,

the people it's not, like very thing, it's, that's not, that's not to be a person, or you're

going to be a lot of your time, there, for supposed. There's there, there's

a repercussion for you. And so, I go, according to the person, then you're

going to do you're going to do you're doing that's so. So the move of that order of the

order of universal, so it's a lot of a person, but the people, it's very nece

for more that you say, no, look, there, there, there, there's,

the love proper, the valor, the power proper, the good psychology, no,

no, they're, they're they're doing all, they're there's,

there was a question that is a question very really I'm a question a question in the

entire of this should be there should be a ethic between the people who practice in the magic?

Well, I think yeah, I think it should be but, obviously as I think

money does your not necessarily fiftate that I think it I think that depends on

the perception and the thing of every because it's very

different so, there a person that's a a person that's a a broo or what we

call a powerful, so in beven no, so for me I do this because I am I do,

and I can't, and I'm so I'm that there pass, no and there other people that's

there's there's so it doesn't much of the perception of the good,

but it's like to a agency of, how can say, the agency of the

investigation Bruchill or no. No, it's something, no, because

these creencies are in the interior of the person, no, so, as a man,

how much a good person are you, or what is a good person for you, or what is what is a

bad person for you, because at the more, the person, the person, says, well,

I'm doing a person because I'm doing to the person, or that this woman,

or that this woman, and in the mind, she's a way, so, the, the ethic, at final

of the this ethic is where they're in the carmas also for the people that practice these rituals, to the people who

do you know, they're doing a consequence. Why you, you know, you're going to you're more in this world?

Because a person that is a person who will be to that way, I'm going to ask the service is an absolute

ignorant, apart egoist and demente-cortar that's, no, I what I want is this and what you what you're

that's You're talking of an absolute ignorant. And still, and still, and even, to the, to be the a woman or the

person, because also there's, there's, there's there's, there's that, is that is that I'm there's a little, so,

then desvive her because, because she'll me to cause problems, that's, really is a very,

very low, very low, clearly. This, well, in the case of those in the case of

those who do they, they know, what they're, why do you do, for why

Jugarsel all because of why? Well, it depends the conscience existential of the

person, of the brother or the intermediary spiritual, we'll say, because at

final you know, because at final you tell you know, so that for that

person, well, there's a little no, no, no, no,

any, any, no, or simply when he is in this plan,

you, you're you know, you know, the majority of the people that work on that there's a

people who are people who are people who are they're going to get to come to them to get to know what I'm, I know, I'm,

I'm going to I think, I think, I think they know that they're that they're to be doing. Ah, that

would be so that's really as a way, if you understandes the risk? The money. Or,

you're talking of some material 100? The money? Because, because if simply, if that

if that person no, it's not, to postear destinos and move orders or whatever

does it, but it's for good in materiales because at final the count they're

very well, for those situations. Oh, that the people that I'm not I'm saying

that's not I'm saying that I'm saying that I'm a very a

thing, so, every is different if you have you have talent

spiritual does what you do you do but you know you know

you you know what you I want to clarify my planarment because what you're saying is correct. If you're saying this, and you do this type of practice, my, my, my dud is genuine. There's the point.

The planterment of mine at the principle, for these entities spiritual, you see that you're saying that you're asking to baratigas, a change of the most valios. So, from that, that's the planterment, I'd say that someone who is to do that's the side of this type of rites and pactos, Capta the vision of the entity

spiritual. And then, you know, that exists something more than the things material is that are in our

around. So, so you know that you knowces that, why you are you're because you're

trying to the baratigas as well that you're not you're a question, is a that's what

you're really, what is what you're doing to say, in this intercamio is a so, and

there is a question. A sometimes also it enter the ego, I mean, there's ego magical.

There's a spiritual. There's a yeah, so the ego is like, like the ego is like

in the ego and they're doing to make and they are, how they say those? The lamas?

No, no, it's the people they're they're doing the little long and that are little

they're so they're so they're like, that's like they're like they like they

kind of like the type guru no now is now now it's now

I'm so I'm meditator and that I'm going to see, there's a there's a there's a

there's a there's no, no it's just to not, no, I'm just do that's that's in any

that's in the thing, that's right, that's, exactly, exactly, the human that's,

the human also, so, I'm not, the ego of power, I'm sure, I'm going to do, so,

so, so, so, it's, it's, it's a characteristic human,

to get in a temptation, the money, the ego, the power, the auto-reaffirmation personal of the power or not-poder you make sure in many times

that you're at the most you know, and this is not just they're not just in the plan spiritual, or there are people that are in the plan material that don't have

with activities of but for refirmar their own or their personality those are, so I refer to that is 100% human, you know,

from the school from his companions, even of people who really have people in those are in a lot of a lot of groups, for a favor.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's that's there's a man, so, so, even people that are in a plan of questions

of the, and visions of future, etc. So, no, it's, no, it's not to be a naturalness

prefect and determining many of our decisions. That's, and there's that naturalness is where no has to

have to care because there are the entities to to play with us because

really they are playing with us we're this. There's this a lot of this lucre. I know that your credence

no is Judeo-Christian but for nothing. I respect I respect much the creedions of all. And I grew in a

college Catholic. Yeah, because I consider, I am a person that me, the curiosity is

the way and well, is that not is properly the curiosity. Because at sometimes the curiosity

because of the question not resolute. And what my is for situations that

I've been and that those situations that I've been genuinely I'm looking an explanation. Okay. So,

no, it's probably the curiosity because it's a curiosity, like, example, the wihah, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, do I, it's, no, it's, it's what, is what I'm,

but it's what I'm, but not, but in what I'm doing, but I'm, going sorteating and learning in a case,

in a case in a I've been, I've occurred things very very

things that not have to be a question to be in the last the last

I've wanted to find what what what was what what was what

not the logic but the first the first explanations I'm in front

of an entity demoniac but then I'm took literally

literally a sacerote that the sacerote no he's

a type I think the person the person more He was known

and he he gave conferences in Brazil about the

parapsicology the type super-formated at the point in that he was a practice

that he was a that he could be he had put the basic because he

had put those studies of psychology for those studies of religion of sociology and sociology

and then he he said there are that and that's that's naturalness

human and he he said that all these cases, he says no,

he says there's like that about the entity, no existent. And for me it's like, I don't

understand in a person Atea, but in those this is very strange. And he

said, no, what happens in those phenomena is that there's a part of our natural

humanity of human, for put on a number in

our that generate effects paranormal and normally to the

person that they're And it was like, that's a very interesting. So, no, I've heard And then it's a good, could it could be that

is that the point is that in this buskid that me has led to well, we have an explanation A

and an explanation B, the A, well, are the B, ah, well, I'm, there's a

kind of quality of me that's there that's present and, and fithet really local, something

something that I've never in these stories, were certain circumstances that were in those

days, that when he he explains that circumstances have to be circundantates for that's this phenomenon, I'm going to

do this phenomenon. And I'm a cabrano. It's a good option. I don't know I'm going to go back so

so many. But it's option. A and B. And then I'm going to this buska and me

toped now with another type, a psychiatrist. And this psychiatrist says, I've been

in more of a thousand exorcism no I'm creient at the day of

today of so, for what I've when I'm and I'm and I

do you do you do you do that I'm that that's that I'm

not a and he's a book and it called demonic Phos in the

in the he not you don't you're a part in the that

he's so that's a kind of kind of that's but

it's a description very a very a of these entities. And that's

really low. Because he is the person to talk about and say imagineate that you're in a war,

but your enemy, you get to be much intelligence. For much, much, much. You know, a detail.

What normally in contra intelligence is what he's doing the cartel, he's just to you.

Because it's invisible and without you because it is invisible and they're coming to be able to do you,

and so much, So, so simple. They're invisible. They're there. They're in detail. They're in detail of your life. And so, for that's

one of the things that are in the exorcisms, that is one of the, um, like, situations that's that's a thing that's,

it's a word of, is something that's called a lot of that they're not a way of and that's a day that's in your room,

I had seven years, and you're saying, there's a form, yeah, it's a little. It's a little. It was I'm not nobody there.

And then then he says, That that's explain if you imagine you that really there's

there's there's there's there's in the time in the description I've seen

because nobody about the people have to say they're doing, someone someone

someone not someone being letient to the mind. And then then says that's a

person invisible that is there being and they do you have there

all the day that they're to be they're they're they're

they're they so this not this is something, for something,

that the idea is like if they're not like we're in the reality, like we're like we're like a spectator.

Yeah, but apart of that imagineate that like, like when you those, the cameras thermics,

and that in the other you see a person, you know, imagineate something. The perception

of the reality not has to do that's not to be so, then, what they're in you, is something you know

is something you know, because you're a little color. You have some something,

he's he. So he's he's not really. He's a because yeah, here is like a

question more like a little question more like this entity and he says, and he's, they're not

our enemies but he's, and the tactics that they are always they're the same.

And then I'm going to hear of this thing I'm to be this thing when I'm

when I when I'm when I'm when I'm saying this is a fanatic religious and

see because omit all that not like they're not because

it's like yeah there there's partiality partiality yeah no there no there

no there's but they're very partiality but I talk some that they respond and

and I know and I know I'm and I'm going to we're going

so we know we're going that you know so that so you talk about

various one says I took a conversation with these and

I'm I asked, why you always do you know, and it's because the humans are more stupided

than what they think they're in the time that I've tried to be clear that they're that they're clear that

they're absolutely flohas but no they're not the necessity to make a new

because our natural and our always and if no matter how many years

they've been past with our our ego. Yes, so definitely because

for example this of the first case that mentioned with the person that said the same

person in the that provoked that the things were and all over and all that I'm looking

the phenomenon poltergeist I think that I think that's related a little more or

more than something of what you have you have been but the

people that the people were in investigators with certain patterns

of that for example the phenomena poltergaste there adolescents.

There's always an adolescent in the house living where there was a phenomenon poltergeist.

So, they're a lot of there's some conscience, that we're to say dones or

technologies of the brain that we know we're exactly, and that makes that these things

are you can't you're to pass the emotions to those and you start to

make you to provoke that's so, so, so, I think, it's it's a man,

so, and well, obviously when when in a house,

they're to get to get to do things, or can be the sub-consiente and never

we're going to know. Really, I mean, there's a formula mathematical fididigna

that you will give like a result real. As humans, we want the

etiquette to do. And that all is how it works, like a formula

mathematical and me will give this result, no. Here, no, there,

so, here is other camp of existence, not are the same the same

the things that are not know we know we know. And that's, that's, one thing that, if the human

not accept, then you're going to start a frustrated of the and what is, it's, and how it's, there's always a

many of, how can say, options, right? Much, diversity of, how can say things,

not, that can be that can be things, that are the sub-conscientet, no, know,

and that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that,

we, we, not we segamos like to to want to put a name to

a car and like to do it's like a formula a mathematical that you

have done this result in this type of things I think no no

of partes from something when when when these phenomena

very many many times even even when when

when when there you you think you you just

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and the situation, not you know you're doing the and you don't know to find out three situations

different. So, so there's a vision unification of the reality. No exists.

Because it can be for a million things. There's a theory that about that we

have some some something that percibly the reality in milliseconds

or seconds different to the other. So, so that the

order of the factors for me not not not quite to

even that I'm that it's because if you after the person and you

say, and then what they're and that there is where it is where

it's you know, you can't you can you can't find that

you do you don't change totally sometimes. Yes, even

I'm If you're 100 Fididign. It's a like a like a like you

did you do you see a and there a more so you do you do you know

but it's the 100 or well what you know what that's in the synops

there were very simple and we're very simple we we're a story that

sonar that so far so not a story fantasy a day one day

any whatever you you got you I mean, I was going to

get to the camera, I'm I'm going to get to get to be a time. Then I'm

to say to my wife, then I'm going to we're not used to yeah, it's done to have done. that's something that's something that's a little moment of your life, but now for him,

he was going to have lived. Exactly. In the reality is that when you're an adult, you're a lot of records implanted that as a

and even if we're in the training and the practice, but as we don't we know, because when I hear stories of someone more,

we're miscrued as a spectators in our imagination and our cellarro, it's part of the qualities of the

human. So, from it when they came with him when they're when they're a story,

well, because that's real is, but no form to to prove

for the person is real. You have to part from that. So, for that's how can you

say, the points of the points of social are so different because every

people live in realities different. So, what is good, what is

bad or like that is a based to their and the

experience. Exactly. Exactly. That's, I think, it's a construct moral

when it has pegged to the questions to do because it will have to be to have to be the religion that professes.

But also there's a question of the good of the human at a level legal, that a little different, but

I think there principles, of a certain basic, which is, until what point you to get to

to get into in the life of a person in that you don't have to be and you're just deciding

for the other. Or, what you are to do to do you, and to be to be a other and to

do you. So, I'm doing, I think to see to be in an skudryniam

a little a little a fonder you can see what you not in a good in a bad

not in a not you the only that's you're going and the other the other

you're going to not you don't you don't have to give that reality and we can't

we're to start to the yeah so it's it's very interesting it's

the mystery of the mind it's a really really I mean

at a level scientific and all of that we're supposed a percentage a percentage of what we're in

a percentage I'm a I'm a little I'm a little bit about 10 years and he said no, that

that's a question is false. What what is that has to be with that we

we're at a level personal for our experiences we've we've our

our brain but the cerebral is using the cent all the time so

before. So, the vision like if it was the area. And now but they're

not, but they're potentiales and it's of the experience. So there's there's a world

and the rest is very too. And there's more global. Depend of the hemisphere also.

There's there's that are more like, for the people. I'm who are

a artiste is the suppose that the system is the that's the people

that has the person more matematical and more this, well

yeah all this profile physical, including the issue of

my own I'm in the you're quite a question. You're quite too. Oh, no,

that risa. How do you are doing? Very good. Very, very much. Very amena a platter.

Yeah. Very amena to be that's a great, and you're always you're going to let us.

Yes, very philosophicas. Yeah. A bit, let me the people in the bar and I say always,

if you're going to say, You'll never in a million They're in never they're in Never are in Themas

Yeah We're going to We're going to Because I know Because I know But I'm To put it as A person

That's a person who's A little, that's He's known in these Tens. Apart

of the Bruchery Relationada to the Colors, that you mentioned about what other

types of there are? Well, for example there much, well, what they're what they

they're for me the is a system of creencers. Like

what I said, that he does the power to certain objects or certain

rituals or certain rituals. But, for example, there's, the Wika

that from from from the Celtas and it went and it

and and it has to the actuality know, that they

have in this format to use the the book

of the them the Wika, is character for what

I think they they have their their their

propios grimorios, but they're called the Writory's the SOMB. Every person that practice this religion,

because it's a religion, he's a matter of the area of cards, of what you want to

every, every, every, every, every, a grimorio. When they're in

groups or that are, we're going to say institutions that are, we're doing, we can't

like, we can't like, we're like, in cults, UICAs, well, they're in

a grimorion common and they are in general, and they're all of different manner. A type of society.

Exactly. The, those Wicca, for example, has a form of the staria, no, that is what

rigs to you, and that the people do you know, and the person, but the symbol of the pentagrama.

Ah, that's a Uika. Uh, well, no, of the Wika. The pentagram

is a sign that's used used from times very antigo more than Jesus, even more than much

time to to talk to the deidad of any any of the but when when it was when it was

the inquisition and it was the era after after the impression then they were like the

pentagramas were satanical that's the tetragamatron no no it's the staratron the tetra matron

yeah is another other level of but the puro pentagrama that is that he's

that he manager the pentacul also is a representation of the divinidid

actually then, we know we're more like a something, that's the that's

a little bit of a lot of or a thing, but that's, that is the origin, that's the

they're not, they've got a good, so they're a correlation orita. Exactly. Because

it's supposed that in the religions, you're you're spirituallyally. The pentagrama normal,

well, it's about the elevation spiritual. And the inverted is like an act of

a act of rebeldi to say that the instincts how is it's about the spirituality

about the salvagism the connection to the instincts, about the instinct, of that's what he

represents the macho cabrio, no, that represents the fertility, what has to do that the earth,

with the blood, with the creation, no, and the spirituality or what is

what is it's not the contrary, is to get to to get to a level

divino to the conscience, no, of spirituality. So, there is where it

is where this with this symbol of the wika. The wika for the comes of these

know of those those these know of much time and that actually they're actually

they're practically they're by the religion and they're they're the wika

what I have heard more than or the experiences negative that have

gotten to hear when we're we're we're we're to make

to make to get to I'm a manchito that was in preparatoria she was

quite he said he said he was a ritual of a book that was a great morio wika and he put to

invoking this one thing he entered in a state of possession and total

that they they were to get into to the market to hearers there to be

to to get to get to that the muchachito like the so the

you go and with all this with all these connoissements that not necessarily it's like

that's like to be like to they're saying not I'm saying this man this man who said he's this case

he gotro and he he's so contact with an entity and then it was not it's

to what we're never never never never never never we're we're

we're we're we're and then when when you're you're you're you have to

a a conscience of what you're doing because if you you're going to depression, defenses, defenses, anxiety, panic,

then this is your subconscious is a realtor and you're trying and you're doing to do that much you're in this state

no? Yeah. Of course, I've heard also that this type of entities,

in the case of the position, that the mind, that the when you're when you're

in contact visual and it has to have to be much with that that mental

and spiritually how you are. If you're deseched destroyed, mentally you're in

a lot of controversies, this entity has a very fertile to putt to be able and over

there's where the the cula of the wija weh, because the wika

because the we ha weha, so the wika is relatively new. The ciglo 16,

17 for down to more or and this. And with with

exactly. So, exactly. And so, and I think I'll mention in the first chapter, what I took here to participate with you. The Ouija is basically a, a species like of oraculo

that you help to connect with your own your own subconscious. It's based with the function of the

energy vital. For that's it's like, between more people, more energy, because you, that's the

same energy they can't when they move in the cellular, that impuls electric, no,

that makes that so move to your picture, no? Yes, when they're

when they're when they can't in this table and then you're to get a thing to

the sub-consiente of the person. It's the same. The tarot also when you know, you're

you're doing a part of the sub-consient of the person. The tarot not,

oh, yeah, these cards are to find them to use them to do. The tarot

passed to be a game of type naipes from the 1400 until the 1800

to be using in the adivination. Or they were to pass 400 years for that they're

to use in the adivination and not the fin that's he had done

a job of a different. So, the oraculos us that are

that are that are like to connect a woscient. I'm not they're in the

subconsient with prejudicions with the world, with the people,

they're going to be able to have to phantasmas or what or what you are, for what they're getting in these

things. If it's a person that more or less dominion a person who means you know, you know,

then you're to experimenter then, do you, do it's that you're doing it. I'm not

I'm going to do it. Because it's that it's a point in the people, but to what I

want to get is that they, they're that the oraculos can be whatever the oracul

is simply a... Proixion of subconsient? Yes, it's a projection

of the subconsient that the coffee and that the when you when you you know the in the

man or the chiro manse here you can't be a so you know it's like the

the coffee they say how your how your mind translate a story or a

information that you want to to the reality no depends of the

depend on there there there there there there the

there's there the It's depending how the people is depending on how the

people are so you're so we're seeing the those oracul are the mansi's that aretes adivinatories

so the chiro manse the art of the mano the piromansia the art of the art of course the instrument

the instrument excellent so so that's okay, do you because what you are you think you

you're you're something you're you're that's that's a connection

with the subconsient of the other person I mean, you told us

of this experience that you did this person when the person started I'm

a doubt. I'm a question because no had connected to

a lot of many that they what he when he when he

does a practice of a consient and you

you are you are in a problem because

you because you are trying contact with people. Okay. Well,

the nigromance in the, for example, not is the Uyha, so, uh, v.

Vaya, the nigromance specifically specifically, to use, the cadaver. Quiter the catabber.

Okay. No. I know what to use, but for mediumity for, for contact

with other entities. With other entities. Uh, very well, no, but specifically

with people who people who felles uh, is, spirit Yes.

No, it's that in that moment the oraculo still being an instrument, but as you're going to other thing,

that's that's where the things can put more volatiles if you know there.

There, I think that's another ability of the cerebral or ability spiritual, as they can

say, that is the medium-y- or being medium- not? So, if a

person has the capacity to use an oracul to invocation a person,

I think you can give a result because there's there can't

your, how can say, creencia, your faith in what you are doing,

your dons spiritual or what are and they are for the

oraculos for those are so they're very famous these

messes of adivination in in France in the

in the century in the 16 17, 18. Because they're

because that's that's that's that person to be that person there's a

kind of a situation, there's a disadvantage, because never you know, that's that person

that's down, like, like, what you said, is an energy that you put to like,

uh, if I, if I, if I, if I, I, I, I'm,

with one of the one of the people, that I'm seen, that I'm seen,

but, uh, me I'm I'm I'm a a, a lecture normal, the time

we're at the time, we're going to do you, I'm going to my abuelita that's my oldie's I'm going to

know, not necessarily was the question that he wanted to contact with her but he wanted to

know how was your own, or in what plan was or what is what was what was

going to your existence and just just in this plan. I'm in this plan.

I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm okay, okay we're

to try to try if something I'm to do the sub-consient to be to be marrage

to the cards, I'm going to get to like a kind of a kind of kind of

I'm not a lot of so I'm a lot of I'm saying I'm like a energy

and I started and it was a malignant it was a energy that I

never had said I'm no I'm I'm I'm I'm

said you say you give me me So, like, I mean, this never, this never has said. I mean, this

is a very strange for me. I said, I'm not I'm sure to want to continue with this.

Because, because as I never had never had been a experience with things of medium,

and other entities. I'm, I'm doing not to work with an sub-consient of the person

and after that he's there. And so, I'm not me met on, that, that's, I'm not,

me, I'm, I'm, neither of of that. But then I said, here I just see another other thing. This is different. I never had seen in my consults.

So, that's, so, that's, you know, because it was my thinking, but I sentia a energy that not my, if I'm explaining. So, there's a thirdo there, that's, you know, is it well, no, I see, it was a person, or entity, or it was an energy. So, to me, my

body, well, obviously, you know, enter's in a state of alert, because, well, really, something that I never had experimented. So, it's like

like that that's a type of that you're going to be in the session and that's I'm like

I'm like I'm like I'm think I'm I'm I'm was doing a fire at

40 degrees you know so it's it's I'm in New New Orleans I'm

I'm because it was a impression really really because it's obviously

a discreeme I'm so I'm so you yeah I'm kind of curious, but

I, I see that in this session there was a thing, there's not I'm contact with

something or someone, and yeah, I mean, like I'm, I'm, short, short,

and yeah, we're, we're, we're, the person, but the I'm just,

some things that, I'm getting, they're getting, they're, they're going, they're

so, they're when, when they're like, when, And they're doing

with the entities and so not they're taking much care of those

the entities these are like the well yes the people so it's that they

say they're like they never never is really you know really you know

you're you're you're talking with who you're not you know

that's the angel so that's the so the oracul precisely is that

The oracle most powerful of so is the body is the but you yeah in

a decomposition yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah for that so that

so that panada so how so how so like cancel well

in the vivia you see in the viviancia is funate yeah the

nicromance is about exactly to bring a entity to a cadaver

and by the head of this cadaver to make the entity say the other

plan. There is another role of a level of magic yeah that

that involves things more more more even even minerals

even minerals very car so a ritual of a

ritual of actually actually what I know what I know that

I use more special very specific and it depends with what

type of entity you're about so you're obviously, you're a other

role or no, so for so the necromania is that is that is that's

the body, the body, no. For example, in the boudoo,

I don't not is critiquat the boudoo or nothing. There's there there's

to be the future for example, in pieces of animals, Oh, that they're that they're in the caracoles, it's in the santaia.

But there's another that's like, with the entrains of the animals of the animals. Ah, you know, in the future in the entrains, in the

legs, or things like, I don't know, I mean, it's, it's a lot of what's in your practice.

It's, practically, then, but it's in the world, and it's in through, well,

but I'm, but I think it depends much. That is another way of another oracular,

no, that's what you know, what is good and bad, all the people are

like, how you're going to be about, how you're going to understand that we're saying,

we're going, we're talking of this thematic, etchate a trough of want to

a want to be we're we're talking to we're talking about things that existent.

And pass. And not more is if not you're so if you don't be it's

in your right to me don't they're not much they're definitely

I'm very so you're really a real but it's something that's something that the people

and people and people that's you're doing exactly exactly so I mean so I'm

like it not the not the objective to promote that they're that they're

not getting the cato to get in the future not they're not not no for

no for no no I don't I mean, this is precisely people who are sacerdotes of those religions

or practicants, right? And, well, well, well, they'll know. We're not not so much

who's who's not over the no, no, absolutely. I respect to every creencia from that that's all

what that's no, with much respect. We're we're curiousos and so. That's so,

that's exactly. So, so, the the body human, the nicromanceia

that is I think the that has more antiqued to all the

oraculos is the world. I don't see, it's that I'm there's

to know with the organs or no see with the visceras so depending

of the doctor via the of the interpreter so no,

no if so no, so I'm so so I'm so

I'm and I'm and I'm there and I'm there get a there

because it's information that there is he's kind of

he's some with the cards. At the more to say some I'm going to

know, every person is different no, no, it's the object to the manse

that practice is the interpret. Where does the information? How do you get to the information?

Because the language is by the image. As you see those images, those

symbologies, you know you have related to a concept and that you get the

message. Yes. You're you're interpreting in time real to a

level very rapid that's that's that's it's not it's like much artes

so it's about the same marches with the practice effectively so it's so it

so we we're talking we're talking about because we're not we're not we're in two

days ultimate question has heard of the magic chaos yeah

what is the magic chaos the magic chaos precisely is a magic that is

related to the sub-consient it. It's supposed to the magic of the

cause the first the we have about about the we have been a matter

a order a order of factors, a order of objects resos for exist.

The magic of chaos is like uh right so it was very

much the under the influencers you know of that so much

so yeah you're super result that they're all the cause from the

how's called Wanda Maximoff of the Avengers the Bruch Scarlata you know

it's that it's not no no no well

well well the how so how is mythology of

for example of Dr. Strange of this Bruch Scarleta

are based in things are based things also

also have many things that are of the

know of the metaphysica. Stop. You invite to a next program

in where we'll getremes subjects of movies, of that are in the culture pop and that they're based

in things real reals of the magic. And, do you. All right. It's great. It's very

interesting because that's there precisely these characters, you know, those characters of the comics

are characters that are of a lot of much profoundity. So, So Dr. Strange, for example,

in many symbologies that are real, that are in the magic. And, well, about the magic of the chaos of Scarlet Witch, but it's precisely, it's a magic that's a majoral. It's a magic that's genera of the sentiment of the instinct.

And this magic, what I think I that's I'm trying to seeylos, is that I do, what I do, for example, I have the intention to generate

that me It's going economically. And I'm to draw a a sigilo. No, it's a word.

You're going to do you do you're going to do you're going to do you're going to do you're going two, three times,

you're going to you're going to your subconscious. It's a little bit of a chisisto of the magic of the chaos.

Of course, now it's that the daughter of this is a virginia of the world. Oh, so

well. This, well, this, well, I mean, it's like, like, it's like,

it's a little bit of popular. It's, that's a old old is a old are as a woman, but the magic

of the chaos precisely is that not to have order, not to, not re-segir a factor, a regal in the

questions of a drugeria or religious, not to give a result, simply it's a magic visceral of,

well, I want to materialize this, and I go, this sigilo, and it's sub-consient

and it's to materialize. That is It's not. I mean, if there, if there there's

like, like, as far as can do it's pretty much to the law of the

materialization. This is the law does the law of the attraction, not? You know, you know,

you're that's going to work on the same line. And the magic of

chaos, precisely, well, it's so. No, no, not about

the magic of the chaos just is magic, no, no, so it's

a order, no, simply generate things. But, well, there you have

to have the way the way the same the way and the way and the hand to the

right and the hand of that's been, or you've heard about, or has heard of this thing that's

no, no, no, no, I don't know, I'm a know, no, no, no,

because it's a time that that I know, I don't want to do something,

I'm going to make to be a person that I'd many thematic

as a way of a form very pop and then I'm a person that's

very serious in their investigations and much of the things that this person was

that they resulta that are very, very, very, very, and are

very, most are very questionable. I mean, I don't refer to religion,

me I'm not, I refer to not, I'm no, so that

that's, no, that's, that's, that's, there's form. So,

it's me made so I'm very extra-and and I'm a methodology of a

doctrinamient. That's antiquis. That's very I'm sure. That's that you can't accept.

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that those first capes are a 90% a is a rest, is a

very very difficult to you contrastar you, you're going to to be

going to you're of a type of different but is very bad but it is a exclusive of

religions, they're using they're doing they're doing in many of things, in politics, in family, in

past their cultures, in what you want to doctrinar. So, me made much

a lot of these sanderos. So when he planted those those planted them like something I'm a

very generic. And then I'm tope with that no, are the basis of something

of something so I'm so no I don't like disonest the

things, if this is your creen if it's a really, but if

you're to get it to get in a group of people that they're in a feeling that

you're doing that's using is with much dolo. You know that's doing.

I'm to say that's manipulation. It's is manipulation. And you know,

it's perfectly and then I don't I'm this message no way that person

because the fact is that that's because just that a week of a time. So, it's like

to contact well the information. So it's like a so it. So, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, and great. So, and no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, here no, no, no, there's, not,

nobody, nobody, but just, but it's, but I, know, that's the

things, no, mams, that's the thing, that's a person to, maybe were, there's,

maybe, there's, he, took, six, two, coincide here.

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it's no, no, it's more like a idea that I'm a idea that

I'm a and I'm, I'm gonna to ask to the but yeah then I'm then I'm

then I'm because this part of that's too you and we're gonna do you do no, we're

just, yeah, yeah, we're gonna not right not true. Yeah, no, so,

yeah, so, yeah, so, Yes, we've got two hours 30 here, but in the Macia, here in the camera me mark a 3 hours 30

and, yeah, no, no, no companion us, yeah. Well, there you go. You extend the invitation for this next episode. And something, and something with what you want to give to the family

nocturn, for forward. Well, as well, as first, first of all, to know, to thank you to present me

this space, that there's people that there's people that there like and going to do a

recapitulat of the world of the universe desafunaturnat me would be I'd

I'd like I'd like that was the correct and that all the what I

said I thought I was a really to know the opiniones personal in my

case and it and then it's in based to what I know the experience

that I've been in this question paranormal no that's

what I want to for all the people that want to start in oraculos

and some of magic and burgheries thinker like there there's there's a good

how is objective for what for you do you do you do you do you

do think it's social and to make more people that's what

you're to let's I'm much fiverance how it's

much of our nature human and before to enter in questions

spiritual that are in those are in those and that's a medium

pass to get in a barranco I'd first do you do you

do you know with your emotions, with you know, question in question

in, that they're that they develop a criteria to

a concience yeah because there people that's people

that's that you want to do the rituals so you do you don't. So,

no, not you're not so, you're not questioner those questions, the why and all,

questionen, question. That, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm think,

I'm little anecdotes, very cortits. The first is a person that me contacted, and me

said, I'm I'm talking, directly, you're saying, you're like,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm I was very enogated with the podcast And I'm Why?

I think honestly that the paranormal no exists because I have I mean I'm, I'm I'm

I'm I'm in, what was, it was in an an amphitheat

and in an hospital and an theater and the hospital is what the hospital is what not

me crean because he was working in a while was working

in this first place that I was in a place in which nobody was to get

because they said they were in a bit of but they're in the point in that really were more than they're

nobody wanted to get us on the world I'm I'm going to work four years. Hamas

me passed nothing. I'm going to be there always so I'm all the people.

Like I was studying and the other people not have not the other people and the

people's more they're doing on this. then then I was in a hospital. And the hospital, the same. I was in the morning during

four or five years. Never me a lot. And in that hospital, there had of stories, but that were

in a million things and what somebs and that were the and that's a womanita was a sombre for your

ideas, but you're nothing to hear. And, and listening your podcast me

passed over the last time and say and then then so now so now so now so now

so I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm a lot of the stories but now

I'm a think a year of I'm a lot of time and I'm going to be to the story

because my co-to-you- I'm going to get a assuas. Totally. Mandate. Mandala.

And this what I'm going to there's for something, there's this is this is the

I'm in relation to when you know when you're when you're to gogues with this things.

There's a quantity of persons enormous in the world. And of those people, maybe a

0.05% or less, because the 0.05% of all the people of the world net is a ching. But it's

less than that have used to have done the wika, have been done it. The rest no.

Of that that's the point one is the one is the problem is that that one,

what has occurred to much is horrible. And you you're putting in that

risk. For So, I don't so I'm recommend. Why do you this show?

Because the people that listen and the anecdotes of people who they're going because they

are not, because the person's they're doing they're doing that they're doing they're not to expose this type of

things. For that I'm going to recommend. Listen this podcast of the day. And not

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recommendation. This is a recommendation. This is a day. If they're a marathon, they'll pass something, then they'll make the

story and do you know what we'll be a little episode of the podcast. But in a few months more, we're

talking about these characters iconic, but are they're based on questions of magic real. Let's

I'm going to get in this episode, but after that came, Mina and we have talked about 40

minutes more or less a fragment of of that we're talking anecdotes very interesting

a maledition that occurred in a museum and thematic of astrology and there are various things that

are very, very intense that's that will be in this episode. When acaben

go and see to the editorer that is going to get to a

part of this partick that we've made mine, the

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