HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - Los misterios del Tarot Ft. Melissa Eyh Ep:079

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

Un espíritu oculto en las cartas, Una entidad que los persigue hasta casi m4t46l0s En este Ep: 079 Hablaremos con Melissa acerca de los misterios del tarot. Experiencias aterradoras que ha vivido durante exploraciones urbanas. Situaciones que a cualquiera lo aterrarían y acobardarían. Por mi cuenta preparé unos relatos especialmente macabros y extraños Para darle la bienvenida a Melissa al canal. Una Posesión, un nahual, un lugar maldito, recuento de cosas para saber si estas en un lugar infestado, un espejo que ha dañado personas y unas sorpresas más. Acompáñame a uno de los episodios que más he disfrutado. Si Ya Llegaste hasta aquí Escribe en los comentarios: Apoyemos al canal suscribiéndote aquí y en Facebook y te diré, “Se nota que eres una verdadera Familia Nocturna “

Welcome to Family Nocturna to this new episode to let us about the new episode we're going to we're doing a we're in a question that's

a person that's a much I think it's but it was in the year when we we've been to contactar

and one and one things that were that was that was that I was to be able to

do you know to be you're here Melisa is an honor is a it's a

Melissa how you Melissa, how you're Thank you. The good is my. I'm very emocionate to your,

your channel, your programs. I'm so, so I'm happy to be here. What chido, muchismas. And what honor,

that you know, that you know, that you know, that you know, that's the program. Oh, Emily, to start,

I'm going to ask me, me said, I'm there that you have some of this is a lot of this? Yes,

various. Yes, so. So, so what you It doesn't, if, to be just those in this

interchamble of stories, I'm so I'm a perfect. Excellent. Okay. This

story me let get to get by a corro electronic before two

manit. The story me generated more a bit of anxiety

because has been something has been something that's a experience

that have been and the The fact of that many people have been

this is a very scabroo like I'm like I'm like I'm never to a little

a little one. A chick she said that she today of today, no,

I think in God, no, in questions spiritual, says, but no I think,

and not because no because I think, not because I'm not I'm think

that I'm And she me comment that when when it was a little, his papas were some people are very

allel a church. No, I'm going to say, cities, and details for questions

of privacy. But I said that you those days the time, they were they were a cent

to do it. And they were in a lot of but a day in the church

was a very strange. He said that when they were there in the culto they started to sonar

some out of the other than they were some gritty that were people were and they were

they said that they were like very enojated that the pastor that was he said

that they were that they were going to be attention to and they put their

attention to him but then they're to sonar passos

in the recint and when they're when they're a

little is is coming as a contortioned doing voices of different

people who not correspond to their age or a voice voices very,

very grues that if if any person of that would try

would probably would probably would be doing posturras

and the not doing a person that not not is super trained in

a question gymnastic Circense she she He was justed. He soothed

much because, apart the the little a good a combination between a

sensation of an incommodidid and a aroma, like a parted, she

was a way, that was that not normal, that was a little

that was a little, it was like, it was to be a

more than a box in the that you make the the case

it, it was an an odor so spantoso. I closed. My mom my mom made my mom made and I got her

back. Since that day my mom had a much fear of the church and since I think I

that'ser me to do you to do it and I do you do I prefer not create what I

get to come to the years because me interested to know what was that that she

was that that they had to pursue for some quadras because

when they started to do you're doing orations. The little bit he started

to turn to get to turn and the end of the end up they were but yet nobody

knew what he was the not they got to there. And this type of

cases that are cases like of positions and exorcisms that

many many times are related to questions of mental

but in many other other that has he has

that it has in the last has been so

Meli with this well tell me your story. Wow. I'm

impressed because fichate that just I think it was yesterday or so if we're

in this time we're talking precisely of possessions. To me in the particular

no me has to presential and I thank you I'm sorry that's because

the end I'm not to be to do but before to be to be

to be that has presenti and that even there I think I thought

that of a Prometh that's real, no? That of not it really,

now with all the process I've seen, I've been in places

where there are energies very very fernic and that you can't describe.

Yeah, is that I think, I'm, I'm when I started to

grab videos, no if you to you pass, but when when I

started to grab videos, I maybe had a or something

I said they'd they'd have been a door not of not to

be able in the dark about about that has that this

kind of this does that you know, I'm I'm I'm

doing because cases very violent cases very very

very put in paranormal and then then I'm to start tarot

to learn the cartes now when I was in

this one night and me passed in the room where

I was the time I know to learn the tarot this

I'm put to edit a video that I'm did you to do the

nightes for the fear that the energy that I was talking

that things negative so so so I'm going

to and my house does to make the

the door does for the patio of the

so not not to get to that the

ventana, well, if you have to come to pass the perils and do a series of

things, no? I was on the only window of my room, no,

no, I have a cortina. So, then I thought it was a little,

but there's there's a word, I don't know, I'm a important thing, I was going to

turn the cell, I'm don't know if you hear, but it's like they

talk, no? But very clearly. Yeah, no, I never rasped

a ram, a o'clock and I still I still get in silence and I said, well,

a little I'm not with all what I think I just like to grab and I

just to hear the talk about I'm I'm not a rato at the few minutes

again the time the time I'm to start I'm I'm to get

to my house and I'm still I'm not going to say

nothing nothing. And again, it was at the madrugada, they're almost done to the 4 of the morning. They're going to

talk. And I didn't even I didn't even I'm even thought, because I'm there's a

topar to front and you're going to be a situation real, no? You know, you know, you know,

maybe of a lot of you know, you're not, but if you know, I'm going to make it front and,

then, how, never, I'm I'm all over the case, I'm

also, I'm perros, start Wilted locus, no. Desperte

to my pap, my papa, my papas out of the house, we're and we're

up to the to see, and there no there. There's absolutely

nobody, absolutely nobody. That same night, I'm I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm in the new, because even after to be to be

and when I just, I'm there, I'm there absolutely

nobody, I'm there I'm to start to not just not I'm going to

do not I'm going to do and that same night I'm going to have seen the same

that's the case that's about it. It was a man to a

man to a man and I a person to a man I

know, I know, I know I never, and I only, I'm only about

the thing that I've been the thing, I I'm had a I'm

very lot maybe and never he never he

I'm I'm I'm I'm what he was about and in

the he I'm I'm I'm I'm for having

said what I did the things more that I know

I don't I'm no I'm no no I'm but

but the things that I'm about I'm I'm

he he I'm you I I'm you you have mentioned

in the video that you see that click yeah I'm

I'm I'm the only really I mean I was about about the

person that he had cut out and when I saw that

that I was so you you know that

you know you don't say I know I

said I so I I had so I

and I mentioned things that I know I know I can't a super theory I said the name of the person that

he had cut out and I said how I thought I said I'm that I'm that I'm and that same night I

think I saw that and I and I'm and I also I I'm a and I

know it is very rare for me to have so years in those that I think I'm

sometimes I'm the after this socese Any other day, you took to

the window? No. No. No. Ah, or so not it was

a little not. No, no, I'm I'm more I'm I'm to edit

in the nights. Dehast to this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so,

I was my work. I was in the time, and the night, all the night,

I was to do you to do because I'm almost pure in-vivos. And,

I'm before my nights were to of this, I I don't

go to edit in the night and I I thought it was the other day to edit to the other

sun, no? That's really, me I've got a story that also that's

not a little bit. Nora me told this story. For questions of anonymato the

people, you know, that's always changed that I'm always I'm because I

consider, although at sometimes me say, do it with my name, I consider

that not not sometimes not not. Nora me told this that's

really loco. Me She said she that after she was adult, she entered

of something that's a real and that his family entire was to move to

his house and that not is a situation about related with

the security normal because he said that they they're in a

little a little in a little a little 100 people

that they've been there. In that ranchito, that is where has been the abel grew, and at a reason of

the father, they were to go to visit him. Then it it was to be to turn to a stance

permanent, sucederer during two months, three socesos very raros. And that was what

did, that they were a little, one day he said, he said, he said,

oh, why we we're for that you still with us and he said how mom

yeah, no you don't you don't you don't tell me and say you know

you know you know the doors were different the doors not like those were like

they were they were tros of matter that we we used we used that

we were we were we were all tranked for maderitas that they were

put down we we were we were we said then So, you had the facility and the maia

to quit the trance and a sometimes you'd but in three days different, it was all the same and I mean me made much fear. I was doing the

when, when of a repent we're to talk to the door me tarded much in getting because I was

I was very in the what you're and when I'm going to see to you just in the umbral

at point of and you are going to and you're going to the head to be over and down

like saying to say a someone. He said, but you see much with the intention to get to

get to the house. So I said, well, with who's because I heard about

because I heard a and where me asom I no, but you still still you still

being Fiva and you're moving the and you're doing the and then you're

I'm saying with who you're saying you and me says and me you say

with the sir. Dice the Lord, that wants to enter, but that we need to

give him, and that if no, that we go to him. And then you were

saying, and no there was and I'm a man, you know, and I said, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I'm the door,

I'm into, and me did it and I said, because it was very rare,

never you've never you ever you so, and then so,

I said, Jesus, this little this this is a little, this is the but at the

final, I think I think it was that they're things of when I'm when you're the same,

he passed the same, they were the door, and when he was you, you're doing

the same of the day earlier, I'm he said the same, the

he's the thing, the sir, he's not, he said, he's not, he said, she,

he said, she, of trancasio and he he said to say you don't want to open the door to be

you're very disobedient so when you know the third semester was a last two of the

time you your papa was out the court of the and you top of you're at

you're at a point of you're you're you're there's there he said the

he said we're we're we're we're we're who's who's

who's I made a corretto contestanded this chick and I'm you think

what you think my mom said that my mom said that I'm like I'm so so at

final rancherias and in the rancherias also the idiosyncrasia is very concrete

in some occasions and they're for things that were they're in

religion or Christian or Catholic but those matis black

black black no but it so me it

so it's so have been called of this of giving us if you

don't do you do this you do you do you do you with the

things with the things in the see you see that there's not

all but if there there there is that they have to have

permission to enter and one of them also they

also they're many those people those not you

have heard that's they they're they So, then

they'd like, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, that you know,

that's in the entrances in the house of your house, because just it's like a class of

permission. There are there are like Richard Ramirez, that if you know, but do you

do it, tell them, tell them, well, well, he, he'd go to the

house, and if no, I was, if it was there, if I was I mean,

I move a chapa, if it was a lot of, or if I was a window but if I was a carerate, I'd

try to work it. And that also also made much a lot of this kind of this kind of they're not

they're that they're that's because just to the demoniac or the energy, the car energy,

the energy negative that they're not, they can't have you don't have a less

that they have the people, the kids of the people who have seen, they're

even like, even like they're they're they're in the point of the control

of the car, or the stories of the talking the door, but you those

you're you're you're you're in not they know, no, no,

they're that, so, for more the power that they're a level that's

physical and a certain regular, like they they're retien and they're

to get to get to do many people that there are two

permissions that I have heard that you've to be in the you know, that you

know, I'm going to get to a story of someone that's that you know that's

that it's it's he's it's very, very a way, and the

other is that in the sometimes they're they're and you and you

know, there's there's not you don't don't know it's that

normally are that normally that you it's not someone good.

That you do a really bad spina. And that me have said some people,

that both are the way in the way that they're in your house, in your

house, in your life, you have you've heard you have also?

I've heard more just also also in the legends of certain

things that they incit to something or the things of the

money or the they they're they're they their manner, like at the moment of

to take it, you just, you're accepting a little of them. Or, no, the story of Charro Negro justly that

they'd give them to the money, and to the money and all you accept, it was, to give us,

to give me, to give me that the food, not, I've seen, I've seen, but that's terrible,

no, of the problem, because, there's this thing that's between us

that's not you know, and much times we're not we're not a just the

we're not or for a other person or so like for that not so that's

kind of or simply not know to ignore what our what our what our body

not naturally totally totally I think in occasions we

transform us in a type of a kind of automaticized, when we

that when we're instantaneously we're we're we're we're the contrary

of what in our intuition us is saying. A sometimes it's for a

part of the cases normally we're the time. Yes, definitely

I'm fifted studying on cases criminales there there

many are many victims that have many victims but

some they have to survive. When you're the testimonials or of them always say

that that they were to get to go to the right or that they were to get to get that car or

that they didn't get to get to the house. And then it's always the fact that

they're not, so now that you're a lot of you know, it's like a past that your

body is being that you're conscious of that moment in the that your person

in the world you know do you for a or no, no, no you

contested to this person, not he did it, and that you've to get to the situation

that you and you're not a kind of a dog special, simply like your

your body is more to do what you do that to be going to yeah,

yeah, yeah, and it's a very, I don't know, no, I

know, so in all the cases, but in many times like energetically if is intuition

a sometimes are sometimes are hours, but a sometimes are those alertas that

that you get in something not necessarily a problem but as you know

not so you like a way not like a same a direct of that

something that you have that is like that that's specifically no

I I remember the story of some people that

when when he he he the process in

Mexico or I don't how I don't even

even even this propaganda about the family little live better.

They're they're they're they're when they're in the end of the doctor

he suggests to make an operation for that no, there's more more

um marasos because they're in certain risk. And then something something

something something he's in the head in the one of the two

and he says no, the operation no, the operation no. And

many people were to talk to this person to say, oh, is you're you're going to be able to

the person that's going to come to your personita that's so you're not, not you're saying the medical,

you're doing the person, and this person said, if you're I'm a person normally very

juiciosa. If you I'm what you're but something but something you know, but

no and no, and he's and no, no, no, no, no. a month after they were embarrassed

and they're and in that so much things passed but was something was a little

they're they're saying they're what you see what you say I don't I'm not

I'm saying I mean I think this personita I mean I was like it was like

yeah I'm there I'm in the moment in the moment in this

personita to the new baby, in that moment he said, do you do you you're going to

you're four, no, I wanted to you're two two children, but a something I said that no.

So I think that I'm so I think that I think there's a kind of that's not maybe energy that

maybe they can be ideas but a a bit of some energetic and there are stories that are different

I'm I think one I'm a question. I think it's obvious but you think you

are in the paranormal bad, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm

negated. Ah, see, in this, me negab for completely, because I

said in the moment that he's and that he's not to find to the question to

what I'm going to do you do it to do so for convenience personal,

I, every thing that was that was that was it was this, it was this

thing, but when you know, but when you know, what you do you say,

or what you are the are seeing the same, the same, and this,

fiftate, me has been a person with my brother and with my noviour. Now we

do we have explorations urbanas in the can't, and there, there,

there's there's there that are things stories where have been passed things horrible,

and it's inevitable not to feel something, and also, then, the explanation, what,

what, what you do you do you you're doing, you're doing, yes. The response is

if, if I think it's the paranormal. Duda, what was the success of the event? As you, first you negabas,

not you convene. Creer in that you opened a door to that you definitely

can't see it. But what was the that you did it and he you know

to you never to never to to be to be that's that. Look,

is that I know in the moment that I decided to create was just when

when I started when I I started and I was I saw if I grew a new a point

to make a thing I was like between another world for so a question

an energy like you mention as something that's something I was when I

was I was that I was the time the first times when I

when I started to do the I was to explore I saw as well,

but I see me I'm sorry to the idea of that I don't want this I mean I'm just

to be connected with the energies of the people and to make responses by the

tarot no, that I know I know I like a intermediary but

no I like connectar more there. So it was a place

in the we we're that had had been to a

a to some in the chicas incered like in a class of a lot of

and there were in those who they were they were they were they're incerated and they

they used they were they're all this all this all this what this so that

so we we're we're not a lot very a suffre that you know

there's there's there's we're we're we're in the first time

that I I saw call a person. I don't know not

not know I'm not so it's to see something but it was the

first that I saw a a person that even even thought

that was I was something something more or it was

something that it was there I was there there I was

I was I'm I was a shockiante for me and

also the sensation of of a nostalgia, no, that is

like if you stuvieras living all that's suffering and in that place and that day I think I

knew that that's something more more is something now, so it would be

not it's a lot, because of a way it's normal, that you you know, that's normal,

that you're like the moment most impactant for me. So, let's see, your process

was, not you never you never you start to start

to have to start to start to start to start to make you and then you're

this connection to make sure you're doing you connects to the energy of yeah that's what

that's more that's much more more more than because at I do do in my studio

and so like, this, no, no, I'm, I'm, more,

more a lot more in other situations more than if someone has, there's

connect with your energy and are things very basic of the life of that person.

I don't want to connect with, for saying, there are many people, I think

I'm revolving all, there. There are many people, that

do they do it like, to know, to know, these things. Well,

I mean, no, I don't like how connect to connect with that energy, because of a problem if you

receive responses post-extrains that is a gas energy-and- and there's not that you know,

because you're connecting with people who want to know things more simple or things of their

and so not. But the fact of to enter to a place where have passed

things feas, where people suffered, where people moved violently. There definitely

I don't have no, I don't have to explain to that's, the energy that's

the energy that is, is, it's a much that's, not it's the same, going to be

to be in your house, to be living it and experimenting it, and definitely where it

has a something, it's always a time years that have passed you're going to

you're I'm this what you because I have taken experience at a level

personal in the in the way I've talked to go to go to you're

you're you're you're you're not a that's you're to give

a level visual that you that's that's it's very very strange

because not is what you not the aroma at sometimes not is the

o'clock I've been to be to the place that has been there there

and in occasions even can be to be where it's to the

point from where a lot when it's like very a point at a

other so I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm know I'm the experience

of this you know the you know you you can you have this

part of investigation the part of investigation always is very sobri

and are things very pointuales you have the part

to do and to start to make to and now

with the exploration and this part spiritual how what is what you to do you have to

say to you to tell you to tell you this is a suggestion at the moment to enter to the other and to

see that what is what what is what is what is this is a suggestion I mean

really really here there's there really there there is there there's

there this is what I'm in Keretaro in the house

of the Jena of Keretaro I was I was trying incalanceably I wanted I wanted to

I didn't know because I'm I wanted to go to get to Keretaro and the first I said was to

look at the direction so you get you a no I don't know how you call it

fraccionamient Colonia but it's very beautiful all around there is very beautiful the houses

are very so I don't know with the house I met a car

that is It's like, it's gotas beautiful that you see, you know,

you know, and you're about, you know, just you just to be that you get to the

house and you know, and the point you know, that's, that pressure in the way, and just,

and you know, when you get that energy super-furt. So, that's, so me has passed in

many, there are where definitely not, but I think, that all it's a

part of how you start to the energy of the energy of the that's the energy of

the place. I don't know what we're going to not know for that for that not suggestionar and not

get a arsustado and to be a energy that's the energy that another

other form that I have to know that this not is a suggestion is if the person

with the person with the person with a because of I never quitted the that if I

saw the someone more he's a not a question I'm always to see all the time to see what I'm

to know the because I'm the maybe I'm I'm imagine something I'm the explanation to this is if someone

more view with me really then then there when I'm when I've talked to my woman to

let us to see us see you what you've seen you've seen you you're like well no, no, no, no, that both

we're just, this, I know, like, in places, like, like, when my

mother, me passed one a very, we passed a department where we we'd

and there a man, a man, on the, at the foot of the stair of the stair,

but we saw it very- very-s- there he's sent- and, and when

we got to the point, yeah, no, no, no, no,

and she I always we'll always we'll have, you know, we've seen, yeah,

yeah, with situations like those in those in those that I'm going to be going to

I'm, it's when I'm, well, it's a suggestion, or yeah, you know,

you're just being with more, mm, mm, prudent, because

in our sense, are fallible, but when two people have an same

experience, the probability that the experience that's much to much, very,

very, very, very, me, I, I, I, I liked much the point of

view of a point of this first in this first place, the first you've got to the sensation of

abrumator, and then you see that person there, and you think you a person, how it?

How was describe? It was a woman very very delicate, her his skin,

this, as a perlada, the hair was a little, a shirt of mesquilla, a top

black and his little shortito. Or so, no it was this that you say, a woman of a vestido

long, you know, not it was a person normal, like, any of us I think,

I thought, I mean, I was, I did for complete, I thought, I, I,

sometimes we sometimes we sometimes we're in the places to where we're people, and of a

front, he's still has the time, so it, so it, so

it's not it, and it's what I thought I thought at the moment of

that I saw, I'm going to get a thing that's where I'm going to be a lot of

I'm still still still and she just like that she was like the signal of that

was a silence and there's me back all the the and I started

I'm and I'm so that I'm when I know when I know

when I thought that he's only that I was just that was a person there

I made I know that not was a person The

the colors of the color of the color of the all

that was not not not didn't no not no

no they were in tones a more grisacios

but I think it's in the night we we're in

ruins practically full I mean, I was I was to ask an explanation to all. I thought that

my nob my new year I was even he got to be into a he was in his part

and I even I said I mean I did and I had to get to get to

get to the air because after the air I'm yeah in the

muchach of the the color of Ropate and something also

also coincide in that is digerable more more more tenue?

No fifate he more more than a sombre for complete.

But is that it was that it was to see a look at it was it was a

yeah, it was a light that was that it was a so that not he was

that I'm not he was a dark pantal black, pantalone

black, was I was sitting like a person and he was

not even we didn't the car but to him we did we did in different

occasions in at the foot of that escalator. Then in that place where we'd we'd

we're just that just had been sequestered those people they were in those departments.

As to count in the departments that we've been the first and at final there were

other departments and one of them was abandoned there. There were to make a caronet

and they had been a station much time. And as we're not

time there, it was just just to get to to sleep and yeah,

I put him attention. Then we know we we've got to have been

sequestrated there some people. So, I know, I'm related with the

child that we've seen or not, but of a pront if you are doing much to

someone, this part in the that if you don't you're not you know

you're what you want to you can't understand if you in reality

they're trying to you or if want to give you a message or

what is going to be I'm going and I'm not doing I'm not this

just a little bit these experiences to get to my this this is a

this yeah, yeah, so much much what was the first situation

paranormal that you lived in the life? In the life I think I think

I'm I'm I'm 10 years and it was when I fellece my abelita maternal. Has to count

that the news we're done very in night. My family, all my family materna is of a

ranchito. So, it was like a one hour of the city. My abelita

had been in the hospital here in the city. So when we're done the

notties, we we have to go to the house of the town,

in this in this in this the city. So, we in the car, my

my, my my mom, my mother and you, we're on the

carreterer, it was at a point to be a day night, and we're going to

get a three and we know, because we've got to get to be how the

think I didn't even have been conciences of that I was

I'm living very the moment of the truth of that I'm not

I'm the buttoncitos of the car subienes and you really rapid so I'm

even if you know, I've had done until my tia not a start to get to

get to get to with the buttons with the with the un-of- the

and my man and we're we're we're we're we're we're

and then we're and then we're to be a time and we're to be a my mom and

he's you my mom, no, well, he's the hands. And in

that moment that my mom had been like, maybe some three seconds more

that's moving and they were in so they're so we then we we're

my abelita. That was the first that I lived, so that I think when

when someone to get to their energy so they try, they're they're,

they're they, and they're manner and the situation of when when I felles my abelita

then that's a space because not only that was a house, there was

a chair where she she was she was moving, it was it was like if

someone was sitting there. And all these types of questions that

were before the eyes of my family was it was very very revelable

for me so in my infancy yeah yeah a person that's

a person that's but never it's that I'm never I think

that when it's the energy of a family then you not you don't just

it's something just was what you to ask when when you went to

this place in the place in the misscilla that you

think that's a person and then you put the

put in the the one like you like you don't

you don't you in that moment between the energy of the energy of

the energy of or it's like a one of it's a kind of that's

that you can't distinguish. For me, look, when I when I was a

pestilencia horrible that I learned that when you see this this allor if

even even even to find the water is because there something there's

something first was that it's a something something something

a something and there's no there's no there. From there's

that I had passed something that I'm that I know that I've had that's

a sensation of the I'm not that I'm and then it was the that I

think it's the energy totally of her so that division is that

is clear between something something that something to a

all the nostalgia of this energy of the the

in your experiences with the tarot, with the connections energetic, that some ser, you do an appearance, but really, is it a other? You want to exemplify something. There are some experts in questions of exorcisms, to those that have

made many times the question of, hey, actually, if the demons exist, how are physically because it's obvious that, as as they're like they're like that's

a row more artistic and it's a idea of the mediaebo etc etc etc and they're

they're that they're not even that the form physical that they have to have more

with the person with the person who interact with it has a

or make to make a person with a person or generate a much more or make

that he give a a better than then then he has He wants

that for the person are known. A family that's a not is, a little a little,

etc., etc., so if wants to cause a form super spantosas and what you want to

cause that connection, busca someone that is a person who is a person,

and well, in fin, the point is in your experience, you have to be that's,

so that they're that's that's that's you're to be a

mad, what is this? Fugate, no, I don't have the security, nor the certain of

that they're like, but if I've talked to start to be to be

a person that definitely me cause an very negative. So, a

so, to be an impeccable, wapes, that they're very well, that's all very well,

with their appearance physical, nothing but that they, they, they're,

they're, they're, they're, they're not or with a little. So, definitely, no,

I don't, I'm not to be going to you know, you're to present, it's,

it's a present, justly how he present to like, something, like,

something, or try to get to get a confidence, but the energy, not meent.

If it's something, or be more more good that's be a, you,

you're, you, that will be to be a bit, that you say, and

in these presences that you have said, has been people physical that

have been this type of energy or has been a kind of kind of

with a entity? No, no, I don't how describe it I think

I'm thought that I have been that I'm about, or I

want to think, the people that I think more that are more,

people, they're not they're that you not they're not

the reason that for that's for the present them that's physically completely completely

is what I have seen that are that are people who are people who still know they're

not even they're not even I'm in times this I know this I don't know

I was to some time for some situations that I'm I'm met much

in the time like this type of presences casas infestated that are

like those houses embruched that they call them much. And I toped with

a phenomenon very rare. Very, very, very, very, very rar. Of course,

it has me, it has been a little more about the respect. And is that

some people and some cases, they're infestan, but not for a spirit

demoniac, but for a spirit human, that of a certain manner, like,

it's corrupted, like, has passed so much transcending, without, that's

done a way that's a lot of the places and it's infestating or

affecting the people. So, maybe could be these that's because

if you, for what they're their energy is very, very distinct

to the rest of these presences. And I think just that when you

this confusion of that if what is an human really

or it, a a person, or an this confusion, I feel very

very strong, I don't know if it's a but it's that these people even know that they're not in many

in many cases in stories that they're that they're that they're that they have not done or they're

they're not they're in other plan. I know how it's the transcendency when we

we pass from a other if is that this is that this exists but

it's that it's that So, like, it's kind of Confuso, right? Definitely

Yeah, I'm sure Yeah, Oye, you know, you've done, is that you've done,

I've done, the people know, the people know, that's about, I'm a question, and as

a bit, it's so, like, I need to ask things, so can, not you

do it, doesn't, no, no, no, preuntal what that's there, and with

this, we're, we're we're we're trying like an expert that about the topic,

you know, you, you know, you, you know, you know, and you're going to

experience and the end, about the thing, okay, so, so, so,

so, so, doubt, do you have, you've , you have,

any, or, uh, entes that have been appreced human, or no,

um, or, but, that's reflect his sombra? No, never

they're they're no, no, no, no, no. And,

Fing one. I have the I'm not really nitid and clear of the times that have passed because for the same that was

a much that was a impactant or impressive. And no me, no, I've figured on

that I know, I don't I've put a detail that in my mind, but

recordandolo no, no, no they're no they're sombram okay, what interesting,

interesting. There, there, there's a person that came to the program for

the person that we're listening for the first time. There's a episode that

about contact with spirits and it's a little she was a little she was she didn't know she

could have phantasas she could have the spirits of the people who had transcended and he

took to see them in the car in centers commercial in places

and simply they were like people and they were like

you're seeing the nothing. And one day is a question that probably what is

people who is people or people that's in this plan, because in the work

a person a major that's sitting in the seat of the end of

the rest of people that if they're given attention and they're

to to give to to give to give to the person to

the person that's there's there's nobody had been in all

the morning here. So she is, she's the there's the year and when it's a

she's not she's she's she's she's she's and she's she's

she's she's, she live in a city that's very cold and there a air conditioned

so it he was that was someone that's the problem is that in the days posturieres

she was he did know that nobody he could see that nobody he was

she did she never she said oh I I'm I'm I'm going to. I'm going to something that's going to

something is that after the situation is that after this person major, he's a person major, he begins to talk like in susrots and he does information

about a message that he wants to give to someone. Conformer, it's going to the semans, and I think were two or three

months, she's, she's scribes this and when he says, and when he says, the, the jeff here

here of the the head said, oh yeah, how was the person major, Descrivenmela.

And yeah he does the data and the the jeff is a surprise. He says, it's me

has that the was the dueue of the locales. And this the duke had

had fallen many years and never he never no he never know this you're doing so.

You're just you know? You know, let me have the daughter actual, that is

the daughter of him this to And then this chava had much a pain and I

was always I'm quite that's a I'm sure you I know, I don't is that he want to do

nothing. It's not just what is what's what you're and then you and then she said I

know I don't know how confrontal it she's she's not she's she's the doctor to

the doctor to the I'm I'm the description to the person and I'm

and me try you a photo so that's that her person that I

had been been that he said he was to he was in a minute.

It was a he said, he said, he said, he said, because it was a, no,

you know, you know you're not you're not you're, you're not put me. And it's

and they're more paraphos so, so for me it was like a dialogue repetitive. So I

thought that I'm just I'm imagining. It's were the words and the form to

talk of the same because he said, saying to the her that the day

that he fells she was she didn't be a question of work, and he was

saying he was he was saying that he was that never he was that he never he

was so it's super impactant super impact and so yeah and a and then

she started to get to see what other things rare I've seen that and he

does a question I'm I'm I'm know that are not persons

or are that are not are in places where

they're be in occasions in this place where I've been to at least they'd have to be at the 12 of the night, one of the morning, and I'd live super lex of there. So, I mean, I was just end up in carretera at last 3 of the

morning and you topavs people in middle of the carretera parades, bolteando to up. No, it's and says, and those people were

liegarming more palid and peridas. And with the time, me was doing I was having the same expression and I started

that these people that are in places where not they're in the hour, for what that's say, it's probably

probably they're really probably meant, but I asked about the sombras and she me said, no,

never they pay attention to if at this if I'm so, I'm thinking. So, I'm really

so is that is a really wow, yeah, but definitive thinkate I, I don't

me had put to think to the sombra, not the sombra, until now that I'm going to go to that place, to

record that moment, and you can assure that no there's a while. No, there's a shadow. No, no. And,

of the I don't, when I go so I'm so I'm thinking just like it generally the people,

and that, well, if no, it's not he has no, you know, that's being a person

that just basically, well, you know, that if you're you'd pass you in a car, then a

a young that is there. But if you get more in that you know, you

know, you know, it's not a person like, like, you know, you have

talked to see this this chica moved the man and she's put in the book.

Yeah. But apart of that you've to have taken in the movement of these

entities? In movement? Aha. So, like, like, I'm doing.

Ah, exactly. Caminando, yes. So, those, those, is,

those, those, is, very Or like, um, see, like, I don't know, no,

I don't know how express it. People who pass very rapid. And we've talked to my new,

to me in the explorations. That we go to places, that we have a story.

So, we're always we know, the, the, the, but,

but, but, yeah, nothing, not, not, you know, that's

clearly, clearly a sombra of someone, no, that no, that could have

been, been a that you're seeing the figure for complete of someone and a me no me took over it, he took over it to him.

We're in a place where we're talking that we're always we're doing, but there's sonnids that you're talking that there's there's always

that it's normal that there's normal that there's that's always we're just we're just trying to to give to to give to

that justiams that justi'd that justixtive us that's just that would be that's So we were just We could not

We could look at the person But we're just His passes That moved Things, like even this, what were

They were and we were looking, we got to a room where there was a maca where clearly lived a person

there but without rast of the person No, there was we just We just didn't just about

So the hour that We got So the place where he descends that is in a place

abandoned we're we're looking and I'm going to be not a see that

not so not we're not going or not and in this my novi

is a frio me said he's and I was he was not what

what what what you was I'm was there was

there was I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

and he's he he's he he had parado, that that he saw,

and of soon, then it and so as he he's, he's, like,

he's like a way, even a front of him, disappear. And at the moment

of the that we don't, we're, we're the same people, that's

in the in the in- live, because all this , and he,,, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, no, no, there was a person, at

final, for more that we don't we're not we're not quite, but so

he was plasmated this silhouette of, like a figure masculine, very great, that's

that's that's how it the video for the people that that's that's not,

that's the video, we've got we've been a little, to be a bit, a more

how's that video? Podger. that. to the one the penultimate video is the penultimate

video yes, is very recent that's what happened that's that's what's

what has been when it when it's when you it's when you say there I'm going to say I'm going to

say I'm going to I'm I'm just that's it's all the people that's

partisip exactly that there there more that there much of the history that there are

different types of of testicles and there are different different forms to testigar this type of the fact that the more rar

that is this. There's a she's a mom because is a mom solterer. This

this chick yeah also has two and she's mudan, they're going to live to

a little a little and they get a very good price. As she she's

like the stories of terror. She said it's is because to you.

Then a she has this affand in the stories of terror

he said to be what what's when he starts when he starts

to get very to know that it's not that after a second

and two months she she she's she she's

not to another has a a current in the

in the my dream is in the house. It's seeing as she was she was a

but what the is that a little is that a little a little a little a new thing

a new thing that you just do you see in the other or films that you have been

in a year and enter this she's a the child the saluda she be

a man a little and he says thanks for being because I'm just to

be just to go to with me. And she and she says, but something in

me says that not she goes to a little bit more. It's something that's a way, in the first in

special, I don't have much control and I'm then I was the fourth and the little bit

old. Mattaena, Bebeleche, things that not have to have got to have games to get

to things in the house. The the most me kept grabed, that was the

that was the yeah, me started to do because this way, this was a certain

type, but yeah was a constant, is when when he a first be be be

the leche. She, the bebe leche for you know, is mark some on the

some numbers and there are your feet. So, it's one, and so,

two, two, two pieces, two, you're, you're, you, two,

you're only brinkas with a foot. And I'm going to put here a photo for you see it.

Probably probably all they're going to do it. The point is that when the

little is that the little bit of a piece, but he's, but he the end of the hair

and it and it and he starts to the piece and it and it is a

way very very very very very when she when she

he's a man that she's a man that she and then then

he says like what what me, he's no, it's

like, something, something, something, because you said, I'm going all the

night that's going to the house, and then this she's

surprise, because it's because it has to have the baby

leech. It's there more suhons, no there things,

so it's a little that's a little to do

get that that the day to be to be able to be able to live with a little bit more

that you know that's not you know she's a person who's a super instinct maternal, she doesn't have an

person to have an a person very sociable and in the last month yeah not it was doing but for

nothing, so that's just that's all the he says, it's like it's like it's like it's like

my my voluntar, but no me I'm going doing a total.

That what she does is that she decides, it's a mentalize and all the day is

repitient. If I'm going to see, no, I don't want to get to

go to get to this, I'm, I'm to go back to my life,

you get to get to get to again. So, so it again, I'm

I was, I'm I'm I'm just I'm the she's the thing,

I'm at time, sometimes, I'm at a night, she going to

get a the new. Enter the little bit of the custom and she says, I don't

want to say, she's that the she did the and when she did the

door, the door, the acto she is she's she

in the cell in the place with the person with

a kind of retorcied rar r in a post a

no, no, no no, no, no, no, and my mom

is totally because he said in the night he said like if there were like those in the

room. So then I think that there in the house and I don't think that's a

man. Wow. So, so are these things like the double testigo

but of forms very very one person in a son you the other

person would be that was it was that it's but not visually

but also there like these coincidences of data, no? And is that it's

that they're always used to use a those children, not of that you know, that you can't,

for you go to do you do it, well, this is a little, this is a time,

just recently we're we're just we can't talk to those stories and me sounded very similar

to one that we want to a one that a little chica that is that standing with

your family in the house of a tia me it's a point of the night in

the night in a night, one of the two years and he and he starts and

he'll get to not I'm to do it to all all they all this all this all

you know so imagine to imagineate madruad you get a so

then they're so they're there's they're there they're

they're some my man and even to me machete that is at

the camera. And all they're like that they're they're they're

they're they're so on and there's a lot of she's she's the first

night that was the night that she was there was there was that there's

so they they're not more for not to not just and all the family

was testigo of how in the techo they're to

they're just just just they they're they is what you see is,

are the kids with coals very long and they're saying that first my woman, that's all

here and that me get to me and then that's my really, that's a little to the little bit

these entities, so they're disfrasan like of the innocence to make to make a

person. Finally, the history that I'll talk about in that then you

not so not it was nothing was a moment was a new that night

they're because that case in particular guard a little a little something

okay okay okay okay so forth and the situation that says I think

I think there's important the first the first the knowledge of something

you know you the the machete the the second is like this

influence negative that is atyipic but apart that destroy

the endor is that. The the person of this person of the

thing is the other that's the influence as the negative that's but they're

not going to this question obsessive or so if a person and you say, you're

to do you know, you're just that you're all you're doing it does it and

you'd even say you'd let me in a let me let me what you

pretend but it's something it's like a kind of influence

and a type of obsession that generate because they're like words those. The fact of

the fact of them are you like they're and they're and they're an obsession recurrent. So those are

those are very fursos in this type of cases that are repitent and that sometimes in psychiatry not

that's not rasked that person has a question of personality but there there are in those

that no no no no no so they're to the same psychiatras have

to to write some books that about this situation. Meli, Duda, what is the

situation more aterrador that's you've been that's that's you've been done?

Definitely definitely if it's in the explorations not because we never know,

never we know, I'm like I feel like I'm protected when I

still in my studio always I'm I'm all, I do my things

this ritual. in the that I'm in the way I'm I've learned to do after the

time, but I'm always the tranquillity when I'm in my house, it's aterrador

without when we really, when we're in places where we we're in many

things, even it is more aterrador a vivo, no, than a entity

or a phantasm and definitely imagineate. He's before, well, it was

for December too, we're on place was in Texas. You know, that in Texas the

arm, well, is, is, well, is, we're in a place,

we're we're we're we're not there, no, trespass, or

not this. Entrando to the place, the place was, the first,

we're going to explore the part of the back, and then we're going to

hear the like a a respiration very very strong like a little like a

a little not a little, and it's like I was around the way, and in

the entry and see it it was much, much free that I didn't

me I didn't even I was I was I guess to say to my nobio

so I'm you, I'm you, I'm I'm back here

we're we're we're we're we're seeing all the I was just

I'm not I'm just that's kind of just a panic of just I'm trying

something we're going to get a time we're going that we're that there's something that's

something and so I don't know what is the word is the correct but when

there's the respiration very pesated even even the in the sacat and

all this we're we're going to do we're going to when we when we get to

the other we're we're we're in we're we're in we're in

we're we're in we're we're talking about how it was someone we're going to

we're we're not if it's a person so easy as much about not we're

not we're we're we're doing to grab we're we're we're so and

so so so so we we're we're we're when we we're

there Nobody, no, in the place. We said, well, we're going to pass to the

part of the right to get to do because the two we're that we're that something of, we're not

we're going, we're going, and the place of the place was like a class of a guarderia

before. It was, it was a place where they were they're in then we had even,

they were even, I was, they were much quite to the there, and there, there,

and so if she was a quietit so it was a good exploration.

So, from there we know that we we're patel so so

So, so so we're and we were and they're like,

you know, I like to say like to say it but not to get the

sound that's that's that's so. So we're we're we're

inspectionandal and the and the right there a little a

light for the a light great of the there's no way

that we have been we're imagining we're we're there's we're

a lot so we know we're to do where we came to the

and the light the other side of the but we're we're

in a terrain very great the house is like centered

so around the house the area is very there

there a here a here a here and there

the the terrain in front is where we see that the light. So,

we're we're we're we're first we're not we're we're we're

we're not, we're we're not a kind of a patruia or something that what the

most that's that's the police and say well, well, now just

you're just you're just then just we're to get to to

continue the minutes and we're we're a like a lampar tactic.

Very large. It was to the window. Ah. We're going. Ah, it was a person. Yes.

So, imagineate. Yeah, we'd be with the fear of all the thing that was about it. Even we even thought we

that this person was the way had entered when we were there about because we're just we're not because we're

not going to and I said definitely not it's the policeia because the police not you're not

asecha so the police gets, and salte, no, with the torretas and all. But this person dured still more time in what my novio, we just, we're

we're not, we're not? It were like five minutes where you know, you know, you know, that's me does it, you're going to that's etchering, better we're going to go. So, still we're going to be the escalator and all this

in vision of the person that was at the other side of the the street. We're we put, we try we bring a abrigos

because we put the garre, the capuchy, all the also. I'm super I'm very

rapid of the caro and see how the caroena and it starts to move. My

nob and so how it gets the the camionette to us to see this is the

of us this is the carnet of the third person a back the video.

I still me I'm even I'm to back from the

person but didn't even do pee to that. It was a bit a bit of that he

was going to get to get to get to talk about very feo and when I was

I was there's where I retom the time that something that I said,

but I still I think I'm going to go to I'm going to be a

to be that we don't we're not we don't we don't something

that we said a something that I'm that I had the hand in the garadera

the door, the type he's got a pistol and we the most he's not

I'm up even, I'm so I'm just like, we're we're doing, we're doing,

we're doing, we're just getting the hand the time, the type still even upunt

me, he's back to the, the car and then, I'm

when I had we had us never had seen and I didn't and I

ranke my a carmionette, I sub a banquette, I did the more rapid that I

did the I'm free. I think that is the the event most aterrador because not only was

in presence of that that there was a something about a more than a animal

but all what was all the that's not just me of all the energy

that's that's accumulate in that the same where that they

were there that was, this, he didn't it was, that was, because we

even he did he did not, he was, I don't know how we could go, um,

sin that we didn't that not, but if it was of the situations more feas. anterior to this,

my her man, recently, she mowed of a house, living in a house like, you know,

in Texas, the zone are like mostcososas, de front you're around, of much

mountain, the terrain are very great. The house that had had

a time before the time I'm I'm going to get to get to get to

her and the place and the place we are covered like

a one she has she and we're we're

we're to we're to we're we're to get

about the the house so the So, the perros get,

they're going to lock, they're, and ladder, and lader, and lader, and lader, and lader, and the

bird of the other, and lader, and my brother, me say, it's like, it's like,

a little, it's like, if it's, it's like, a person, but coming like, it's a little

and it's always, and it's, and it's when it's to start, and it's a,

almost, the house, I mean, the case, that you know, the case, the so you're,

well, So, so it's a ha. And so that's the same, that I had been

a lot of my brother, that I'm like, well, it's it,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the testigo of how the perros are,

they're all over like, of the like, there's, there's, there's,

and you also you don't know, you're, you know, and the same, it's been

the same, when it did you know, when he, the general, the

Even so, if, the point the people of there's know that there's going to

and you know, I'm going, and I'm that they're a lot of not far as not far as counter to

us, but it's in contra that thing that's that's that's the possibilities

are infinite, you know, and more, that zone is a zone, there's a poor mountain,

the, but the places like those people are those people, parados of you, places so

very isolated, very solos and rodeado just of pure bosque, arboles, then so. That's

in the middle of the nada? Yes. In no, so, a quantos

or kilometers is the second, the next house? Between one and other.

Oh, no, no, no, I don't, I'm just, it's,

it's very great at the distance. I think in car if you're you do you have some minimum three minutes in getting to

the other place. No, you're talking of minimum a kilometer approximately. Yes, yes, yeah.

Oye, in the military you know, they're not more contact with him in any other day? I don't.

For the things that are clear, not more. No, no, no. It's that he no, no,

he not, he rapidly set an arm. I marked at the 9-11 because he was he fired my

my camionetta and still no she'll a trom and

that that's that's that's I'm not I'm not quite

not quite because we're we're not going to we're without so without

so so that the law function to other ways we're

we're we're going to let's let's because who can't and say the

duke no or something we decided we're so what they

are very they're very good that's a Yes, yes, in that, well,

so, in that, so, I mean, all the paranormal that's, we've been in the other things up and how they

did it, and then it's, that really was what he put so so much, this man, not, because of

now, we've been situations where they're and they're saying, ah, well,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but what is what

generally, this violence, no, or this fear of him, to be, of him, to be,

to be, yeah, see, , see, you, I'm, because,

as a, as a, like, a, a, a, he was, he'd

be able to to be able to this, that he's, that's, that's, he's, he's,

he's, but, apart, veteran, the veterans, the, there, many,

many, me, I've got to to talk, to know, to know, to come,

very, very, very, very, very good people, but they're, they're,

they've known that are people, that are, that are people, that are very traumatic or

for having been exposed to different chemics, for the same of the war biologic. So, yes, yes,

what's a situation. Meli, a very, the, me, you try to the many,

many, there's the question of the tarot. Why, the tarot? What was what you

called to explore to art, this, art, this knowledge. Well, really,

really, I, from secondary was that he called and this

because a my the part paterna she was

she was she she she imagine this this

this this little that this she she she

is she all this situations so so so

so I I I'm and I I'm I'm

the those trolls to the asses a scenario,

like all what she did me call the attention.

But it was to the secondary that I'm that I'm a barraja Spanish it's

like a lot more and I'm my and that and I said to

my was a question. So, I'm to be attention because

I didn't know in that I'm not even I'm doing with the

barage Spanish so. So, the grade that I began to get to

to get to let me the cards, let me the cards, and I was I did it in a way intuitive, no, I was going to like, sacandole the

significate all of these cards, even started to say, Bruch, look at in secondary. For that reason, I did to do, because, like, me started to say, oh, there's things, so I'm going to do, and it's a stucing,

that's retom, and I'm here, that's something, that's something, or so, is like this attraction, between you and this thing that

from secondary I'm I think because I'm why not if you yeah,

I'm doing more I'm doing more I'm doing I'm think that's what is

what is what I'm to understand because I don't think of these things

before to do I'm I'm to come to make to make to make

to make and me never I'm never I'm I don't

I'm not I don't know I'm I'm so I'm I always

they always they're so I'm doing the I think of I think of I'm going to

have a card. So I'm doing the nothing. It's about five years maybe.

I'm going to have a barrage of the tarot and I want to learn it. And in

that I was looking one, me contacto a mother sacerdotisa that's

that's called like I like you and me said, I'm I'm I'm

a little I'm to profile, I want to talk to you, she

was who she was a person who it's, I'm that you take on the kind of the

type of this type of that's, I'm that's well, we're going to get to

me, because if is it's getting to get to my life, is because

something I have to get to I'm to get to something to get to a little

to to get to so, for that for that you, for that

you have topado in the tarot for of a kind of

how the way I see a a in the lecture of the

person? It's something. Something you consider is like a person or

to the person or has been there has been something that has been in this

rubro or not? Well, really no. I mean to be talked

like like lectures very one I try to

read a case criminal of that you I had much

doubts. And as it was being a very recurrent and I see the answer of the only

explanation of how it's an intermediary. No, it's an intermediary between you, the universe

and the energy of the other person, because at the final of the day we're

we're not, so my curiosity, because never me I'm my myself,

has to the tarot is very because he he says he has he says

he has he has a only he he will say. I mean, it's,

I don't see if you've heard of these stories like, of the Uyja, of you want to do you, and the point is there.

More or those things pass with the tarot. Of it's it's got to, or if you don't you want to

use, and you you're going to get to a place, or so, pass on these things.

Ah, yeah, and I say, yes, yeah, yeah, and, if you're,

when you have a message for you, or it's so can't like, so, want to

you see or you say that's I'm not a

question I'm so I'm so I'm two cards or 78 cards and

so you're so you're so so that so I say you

I don't I never me auto I don't I don't I'm

a message me he's he's going to get but

but going to the thing I did a

one a case of a criminal that was very famous and that was still still still

was the doubt of that this person is alive or not is alive so I was in this situation was very recent and I said he was going to ask but I'm my soledad I'm going to ask you to let's ask you let's ask you let's all the cards that were

one more than the other. Me sale it the place I'm that a few I don't have time doing it, there are there are some they're not the

thing they're not the person, me was a little not a energy of that person,

because the tarot is what you always you talk about the energy of the person for that you're asking.

So, no me got energy, for what I understand that that person now is a person that's

now, then I know, that result, the place, the place that was the number eight,

that I was, I was, I was, I was, I was I was I was, but at

the eight days, that I did this that appears the body of

this person me got the people around of this

situation because no had been a murder natural and

and me revealed absolutely everything what at final

it was in the news in the news in the so

so so I still I did my lecture

so in private and I still I did

my know what I did say I me feel very bad to do

do it, the fact, but this was totally in private. He said, me said, me said this, and me said it

and I'm going to say, I'm saying all the I'm saying, in a in-vib because in- the time I did it,

I said, I said, because I didn't know to do that me said, and I'm going to be,

not of what is, be, be real, and that probably, they're trying, oh,

yeah, it's, all the time, it's what what I'm, what I'm, what I'm whatever is of this.

So, so, he said, no, no, don't, don't do you know,

and I'm about, I'm about the number eight, and I did it

things very simple to what in really me had said, and

just when when when it comes, someone, he said, you know, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you know, that's two, you did this, and you

did this, and so, for that's that in these situations, I prefer

prefer I prefer not to ask because you know you're not you're who's the person who

what energy you're so I'm so I'm not much I don't want to use it

honestly. In what entities you're for this situation you say you know

you know you're not you know you're going to sound is going

to be going in all I think in So, so what you say, I think in all and I like to believe in

all, because in an universe that abast, you know, of possibilities, so infinite, because no, it will exister all. I'm explain. So, then, so, they're contradicent some things, but I like to maintain

me so in my faith. I do think in a God. I think in Los Angeles. I think in the universe, too, and I, see, I think in the energies malignas. But, so, of a way universal,

I think in all. Okay. Creece in all, that is a form to maintain to be open and not a set to this

type of connections in a form of general. Yes, because imagine what a badridden would be, no,

just there just there. And then there no, there's space, no, there's a space, so I

like to maintain me, this, so, abirted, not, to the possibility

of the all can exist, all it can there. There's a There's a story. No, no I'm going to

talk in various occasions in the channel, but a chica that's a friend to do a tarot

not was for circumstances normal. She, a day, as you know, you know, the tarot

is like if it was like to say, it will say to all to all to us to give to the future

for this. It was an enter a a whirquilla. Okay. What

is that a certain all the time and it is to be to be a degree to be

in the preparatory or in the faculty, there's there's a lot of people.

The family no doesn't how mothers has learned

that's not a person that's not, not, not he didn't,

I didn't do and never never did, and as I'm in this type of

thematicas. So they're so they're so very rarro. Passing the years, one day

notan that's like very very nervous and they and they're and you say,

and you're and then they're they're and then they're and then they're

and just they're and they they're to ask to ask you then

to tell you how you're so because nobody in the

family is that a book and never we've seen like you've seen like you've relations with

a person that's a person who's so. So you know I'm not I'm not I'm not

know I'm to say to say to say. And then she said to say that when she was

a barraja something said they're like susros that me said all I just I was

I was having tonted Iventable the things and I started to say what they

said but they were to be to say like things that

that I started to give me to do it and I'm going to do to do it and I'm going to be able to

get a lot of things in the people. It's a lot of very, very very strong. But, it's,

and in this explanation that you say, about that the tarot is a lot of a lot of the wayha.

Considers that is similar to the wika or is a connection between two planos, two universes,

two moons, two worlds, two worlds, or something. yes, definitely I don't like a sometimes me make

it's a way to do you know, because also I use a pendulum and I'm a tableer

and I'm and I'm and I'm and I don't, no, no it's nothing like the

wika but a little so the really, um for I'm,

I'm not what I've noticed and I've seen that the people that's people who

they're like this are ascended are like your guide is that person that if you know,

encounter the response, because definitive this is an intermediary between other world or

other place between the universe and you and the energy of the person. So, that is a

fact, because I don't have the way to explain how is that are so

clear the messages. Because, as like this chick, there are two ways to

learn, one, is that as that you can that can't that all the

people it can't do and other is interpret it's so in you know

that you know it's and when it's in this way there's there's there's

all the those tarots or all those those these intermediaries have

an spirit in him and you when you when you you know

this this spirit with this spirit to do that you do

more to So, you can tell you know that the spirit of these

cards is, this infantile, or is masculine, or is an energy feminine. And for that's that

there's a thing, there's, I, no, I'm not, I'm not a expert

to say, I'm, I'm still, I'm a constant practice, but it's

all what I knowed knowed and for saying, when my woman, that had

a interest to this, and also, I'm not a certain class of clarity or connection with with the universe, I

I gave one. So, I said, she, no, me doesn't, I don't like the energy of the tarot. What did you? Because I don't

want to use. And it's like if I'd to use. It's like in a place in the table of the camera.

Or, he's a car and it comes to the side of the bureau of my camera. So,

so, things like, that I said, I don't know where to put it. So, it's

that it use and no I want to use. I said, I'm going to when I'm going to be

it's a lot of I'm not, I don't, I'm not, of that's all the contrary. And this

that you're to the chica, well, it's a, I'm not, it's a time a

call like a voice, but I know it in images. In images. I mean, I'm just,

I'm going to see what I'm going to so that so of the point, of to get

the people, no, because every card has a question,

so you what you're saying, it's like, you're like if were a

a traductor, as to what you do, what you do is, is to what you

are appearing in the cards or interpret to to

you're seeing, it's so how it's so it's so.

Now, the images that you are, you're you're you're

looking a movie, a photographia or is something, like a

kind of how is more or or less these images? A sometimes

is like like a photographia and other times if it's like, like,

like, a video short. Like a video like. Uh, what you

are you are sure and what you're doing is to describe the image or the

image to generate something that you do you do a bit nothing

to be with the image. for the general, yeah, so, so it's going to

do you go to make the same to the cardes because not you know, not just

you know, you know, you know, I'm saying, I'm going they're not the people,

I'm going to, I'm going to get a going to, and they're going to and so they're going to

and so they're allitas in a story. Okay, okay. So,

okay. I think because I'm more or more or less I'm

understanding what is the when you know, when you know, you're in a

type of, I'm say a word that I'm mean, I'm interpret

trance. So, like you connectas your energy, your energy, your movement

motris, uh, movement motris, pardon for the redundancy, but the

movement of your hands, the vision, the interpretation of the

card but are the you know, you know, something is like a automatized

in what not a conscientious to be a detail, if it's a fluid. A little

so, but not would I say, but I'm a trance, because if is,

I'm totally conscientient. Simply what I do I, is like put me

in contact with the energy that I'm going to learn, with the energy of the

other person. That's what I do you say, let me me of me to

what color you like and so how they are talking about I'm

talking about and the people and it's like I'm going to talk about it and that

the lecture and that the thing that's that's something that was a thing that

the message I said this message like this message like this part of that part of

to start to start to meditate well and to connect to really with the

other energy and that all the messages are for the other

person so if is a a of a other

person that's a same in the same synony also connecting with this

for that that's more clear to the so when you

when you you start in that is very simple and

that connection energetic that you see in some

part of your where does that that that

that that we we we we start we

start in the chakra of the of the communication. Okay. What is? It's like here. Here, even you start

to feel like a and if you see, the eyes, it's a color blue. So, so if you

see, it's, of color blue. Yeah. Okay. Now, if it's,

that's a rarro. It's very interesting. It's really, it's super interesting. It's that, I mean, I mean,

it's of creensies, and the people who don't creen in this. The affer, no, is that they're going to believe. Yeah, no, for nothing. There are people who are saying is, there are people who are going to start in and say, all what you say is, mentholing. The point of this

is that I'm very curious, maldita, say. And yeah, the things that are you saying, I'm saying, I'm like, wow! Or so, a bear, you're in this connection, in this zone, and, at serrar those eyes, you're doing, at, at When, of that color,

it's like if it's to start this process of the connection

between the two. And I understand. If you do you do you do you,

it's a auto-lectura of your energy about the cards and it's

like if you to be to you. But... Yeah, or no it

doesn't or not it doesn't that there's a question a person

that no I don't give no I'm they're they're

they do they do to put a to you to prove to some I'm inmediate

me do when I'm really a when I'm not really because no I'm not when I'm

made a question very easy to say you you know you're or what you are you're

not because here not here because here not any there's no

no no there's no there's simply it and a

through it and so so so so That's the way

is the I can I'm I've got to how I'm like to do it and I'm

like it and it's could say for an example very basic to give

to give an image is like when you know that the things simply

flueen and it and it are in the same mood

point of something something I'm like like the

question energy about more that of that. But it's a

little about a 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all going to

all over no, no, no, no, there's to force nothing,

you know, the answers all the answers, so it's, is, is,

is, I'm to say, I don't even, me I'm, I'm

when I started to was, it was, was, for a video, called,

with people, and the life I have talked, that's that's that's a

other of Argentina or of Puerto Rico or other places that I know in their life and so like I'm talking, they're impressed that's, and she, and this, you know, I don't I'm going to find out of

an explanation, then they'll call them to say, you know, you know, that me said this, yeah, it's all, or you know, even, even, I mean, I like to do do lectures, I call me, like, to someone that's going to be

a man, and that if he's going to have a, that's, me like much to do and my margin of

error is zero. I never never I'm a I'm I'm

I'm know what I'm but I'm saying you know you're to know I'm

to have a little and I'm so that I don't I'm so I'm so

it's it's rar it's rare it's very interesting but if it has to

have to have a there there there there some

that are that they can they're that ryan in the the years, if I don't know I remember,

were 60s, in Palo Alto, California, there was a young who was a young that's the father

of the hypnosis Ericksonianna that is like the hypnosis actual, very distinct to

what many have seen as much as far or with Dr. So, that's

what they're doing not what they're doing, it's like a technique different than

more or it's different. This man, what happened was that he, I think that

this is your story, that during many years he was he was postra'd when he was

when he was, when he was when he was a vision of a window in the which he

was a but I'm not see he was he was parapel so, and then

all not puter's moving and only able to keep the the eyes able to

keep the point, he did count with the past of the months,

and he he had he was to make a other the time to the

and he he was a pasto, he had been able that was impossible

capture. Necess they were something very tangible and he notable

and he notable that it's not any utility but

with the time he he did count of some some

the are impossible for the human or not trained to distinguish and then there's

many stories in the way that he had got a someone to get a person and simply

for the way in the he said, okay, you're going to be a bad,

just say me, I know, I said a time, and the other I never had

been to a other state, and this was a one and they're like he was like a person was a

totally different. He has to He invented with these He invent a He has He has

in a form methodological the trance and he he'll make that the person enter in

there's but in the process and it's this flow and it has to with the

empathy with the connection to the kind of to the part

of the motive energetic of the other person so so it

so it so it also that that's you're talking, right? Yeah,

totally. And I'm I'm in I'm for this reason, for what you

me want to I think in that many people do you do not these

don't, I mean, what I do not compared to the things that I've seen

I've said, I've said, and if this exists, I think, I think that all

we can't we're doing, we're we're also we're connect with our around and we're doing

because we can't we're doing what we're and what we're living and the other body can't

capture. So, so that kind of they're this ability, but there many people who

have many in this caminito that, fiftate, for one part, when I

accompanied my friends to that they're to let them the cards and all this for one part I

respectable and I said, I don't want to me those they're because I I mean, I see, I think,

a little, but then when I heard what they said, a matter of that there's a lot of, there's people who there's, there's people who,

there's never just to be able to, so, never, so when I heard, well, it's a morinito and that's a,

but here too there's a blank, no, like, the thing, the things, I said, I, well,

what, what credibility could have this if you're that's, that's, that's, that can't,

whatever can whatever can't could pass or things that you're you're saying you're doing the

response to the person but in one of these my time to come to come to come

to make a new where just the here there's a man that as

you know you know I know I know that's that's saying and I was

another that's another of that I'm I'm and we we're

super away super where we we're we're we're we

of the train, yeah no there's no, there was pure a pure a year,

and we got to the final of the way, almost to be a

rio a little a little little small, we we've

got to and I had a and so we're a reja so start

about many gatsats many many gotito were many

many they're so they're all those all the catitos to

the that's a man me made the attention because always that

we've been they're those who are the people they're in the same and they're I'm

they're they're they're they're and I just like I'm like I'm saying

I'm saying that all you know, I didn't really that you're to come but nothing to make

to make you're I'm trying I'm so I'm so I'm never even I'm

never I said And still us said, if my gats not

had been to be a rea, I don't have seen to get to them. I said,

well, okay, we're to do we a quartito, and in the courtito had a room, and

the camera, the camera, I had to guard like all the energy, so I kept a

and my friend, she sent in the end of him, and I went to and I'm

said, you, no, I'm did, no, I'm, so, to not enter in debate or nothing,

but the reality is that I don't believe of that. And me says, no it's true, you know, you know,

I'm he's not, and he's a kind of, he's, he's, he's got, like,

and it's, and it's, and it starts, like, a voice, more ronka of him,

has a voice very strange, and I'm to start, no, because at the time of the day, we're,

we're, we're, we're, we're just, we're, we're not, we're not, we're

no, and the sir and he's a try to the card and he starts to

do your look to a voice totally distinct and when he's terminated his letter

and I say that that's for you and I just me I'm what you

say you're you're saying you're a part of my body of my

and I'm and I said you you're to get to check because you're

so you so I'm really much the attention because just

I had been a a problem in the part that he he said he's

he's he and he had been attended. So, I know for

completely. I was a thing that I was not, so, like she

she had had had had that before. We don't.

The type no he no he never to a thing, that's

that's to get to grab and I don't know if

it's part of the suggestion or what but finally was a doctor and if

I had a situation medical. So, for this example, that I lived as

a experience personal, I'm know that that's definitely there's there's people who

have these abilities more developed. It's good, that good story,

that's more because you've been there and you have been there a question.

I got a little, you You said, you know, what's the she's,

I'm a what you about the about the voices, that's the about the about the

voice with the woman, and that's she's, and that's they'd to try to the cards.

Well, I, I've shared with more people that's that's

that's that they're in the way that they're that they're there's some, there,

that's these voices. I've heard with the anteriority that they are doing

voices but they're connected with their master ascended. They're they're

saying who they're also. And also I heard the in the that they they're

they're not like a negative, but not like they're saying something or that other

person know that say they're so that they can have permission to have the

session without you you say that you're that they have to say.

There are some you can't you can't get to get to get to there's barraging and

you know not say it's when the session then you see it's there's there no the end up

the oracul the way, the point you know to do the response

then then it's when you know, it's when it's a time I'm never been

with a voice but I'm heard this person not this person no

I don't know that has a master ascended and he no he's or

with him or with them, because a very and for this reason he caused

a fear of there there's to know more, but no

I think that's like something a negative I think it's

like it was, it's, there's more things that, there's

to learn, or that finder that you going to say, okay, is this

this is okay, we're let's So, the of the cards that you have your

energy personal and that are in the type of entity or spirit or energy, that is

from the moment of the or is in the moment in the in the moment in there is a

moment in the kind of a part of from the from the from the first link so.

From the from that's the first Okay. Uh-huh. You connects with other cause. I have one

is that I feel like like if were an energy juvenile. So I'm, and I have various, I'm various,

various, various cards of different and just you see, you know, you know, they're, that this

time, use this time use this this oracul. And it's for that you have to be various,

and all the energies are different. You know about where, for what what situation is,

if there There's a tarot that you name in specific. Okay. And, you know, they're then like a type of

pentacul? Um, yeah, so can't say that okay. It's like, retien a,

one of these there's, so they're being in all the time to them, something, something,

it's a feo, but, yeah, more or less so. More or more, okay,

okay. This, there, a question that one we were, we were, we're

a group of of the thing of the terror, obviously and it's the time of the way of

the way of so people it's a person who I'm not I don't understand this was

a lot of so I don't I don't because they want a connotation and the

reality is that during a time it was he's he was a factory that was

making in mass and they were in their and I never I don't

go to Julius C.E. or Toyson Rose because you see the of the wichas that's the way of the way

so I say that then then it's not not of the pentacul's ventacul's energetics et cetera et cetera

et cetera et but right that you're talking about the tarot it

that that that connection is similar to what in the wika a type of a

particular where if there's a link an energy so a

little to then here comes the there is what that differentiates or

there's or perhaps no there's a difference. In the tarot and the wihika, for the type of entity, because there's has talked much. When I when I was to do

to do to do attack and the people and the God God

to do you to do and I'm to do and I never have never

I've never I have never but I know but I

know in the aspect of that we we need we we're

we we've not we not not not not not

not not has all this process of limp

and what they do they do so that's so that's so you're not this is so you it's like like whatever

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I don't know. We don't have used, it's not we've used, it's a lot of not quite, simply it's there existing.

So, no there's nothing that that's simply a table and that's just for that's so for that

I said, no, it's not that you just that you haveras a vincuel with that

so, at least with you're doing, you're a connection with this and you you see the energy that he's got to

but I don't mean to say that's like that was like that also because somebody can be offended

right? I think it's also depending on the energy that you putes if the

things that you do you do you do don't do you don't want to tryer those

spirits and those energies malignas then you can be able so

because your using it is a little intention negative. At the contrary,

it's to some way, to help to help to help to give the clarity or the

tranquillity that needs. You know, you know. Now, let's let us let us

do the way of the WIHA. That's very interesting. Well, I have two questions.

The first is how is a carot without the does all the data not

because the idea is that the people going to get one immediately

and like it's, No, no, evils that, but an idea of how the tarot without the time. Look,

a me, I mean, I'm just to respect the rituals that have a lot of that I mean, I don't think that there's a form

of that it has to be that it doesn't it doesn't, it doesn't, I think that all the way to do how it's you,

how do you do, the energy that you do you do the energy that you putas, and in all the occasions, I'm talking

of pendulos, horacul, tarot is with the energy with the light of the lunar. With the light of lunar? Yes. Okay. Okay. So that is the clave most important,

the light of the lunar. The Uyha is properly a type of artifact or artilugia that is of necromancia. Directly is to be focused on the spirits of the mortals,

to contact. The tarot is also is also is also related to the necromancia or not necessarily Not necessarily

No necessarily It depends of the person The user Yeah, I'm the I'm the relation that I'm

I'm going to I'm going to a mother's acerotica that is this well, you just a

yeah, and I'm the way in the way I to work my energy was a

one my my and then I've heard also I've called

colleagues that do this and every kind of or has their own magic

or their own way to connect. So, for that reason, I consider that there

people that have to be a ritual in regla in specific. Simply it's like you

you, it's to connecter. At least for me, something that's the light of the

moon. So, that's always, for that will be going to and then

what the thing is like something more my , something very of

my energy with what I connect Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other The other question is,

the other question is, one of the situations of the Uiha is that is that always they're a way macabro for start. Csendary of cases abandoned,

the cases where there is this correlation this apparato is to contact to the people who were or disappeared, etc. In the case

of the tarot it, it will affecter if the first is in a place a place like a

place in the place in the place in the place. I'm never

asked that I'm not maybe I'm never would to get to get

a place because I think I think so definitely where there there's

a kind of energy and where we have a power as

this can get another energy if I think

that I'm okay okay you you you get

you it's it's is a more menhobolo because no

it's a focus to a use specific and then that's

a way a thing and it's but it's but it's

a totally an object that not can't be an

situation in a situation is the situation is the person in

all this change because if you definitely if someone who

someone want to use with an intention negative

if you can use so what influe more the person that's going to start and the

intentions that that person has a because here a me to be a

maybe me to get a some things all the thing and with the intention

of not not any other person no, no, but in benefit

in what can benefit even to more people but there

other persons that justly they're just they're using in the aspect negative

and there is like totally to agree to the energy that you put and the

intention that you have if you have any or lastiming to use

to use it to also can use it also it's sure it's

of the energy of the person that the person I'm okay

if a person what I want to use to

And here about the because if I know that the response incitory I'm going to eliminate, but I need to

fill out that maldita curiosity my how would use a person to not a lot I'm

no me imagine. It's that is very chismos in the fact it's very chismos

so you can't make a much responses and you I think to say

to the negative I think to the people that work a

work for to damage or affect to other person or so so, so, part of

the response that you go to do you do you do you do you do you

do you and you do that you're doing something or the more of the

other person or to do and that you you can you can't you can't

be a negative because no it's like a extra

in in whatever art of this yeah consider

you considerate Starot, like a art magic? Yes, definitely

yes. These these these these were given to really

that's a very strange, that is that's satanized because there's this contrapart

in the that they say, oh, that is false or why you do

do you do that's so if is a false that would would be to be

bad to use it would more that there No, if it's false and no exist.

Or so when you give that connotation negative, demoniac, of fear, is because something real

I'm in it. So, why so much that's taboo, why so much

a lot of something of something that's supposed to be or for you know, because

um, no you know you know you can't understand because there because

there's this fear to the thing, no, so, um,

this, I don't I'm I'm perdi I'm sorry but it does it does it

does all the sense so the connotations negative from the from the from the

from indudable like all the instruments that has made there's

people who is there's people who there always there's there a person

malintentioned in whatever any to any the tarot not

not is not to be to it would it's a thing directly

and if has a distinction then with the other types of artifacts or artiluge this is

super interesting no manches yeah as like it's like to open a more

it's like it yeah it's it you know you're more

you know you you know you you're you I'm at you

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I mean, I'm saying, always that I take three energies

very strong. I know who are totally. I know these three people that are these three people are the

women, and when I have a question, when I don't respond to something from my sense,

so as I like the images, I, I say, if I'm trying this this,

this, this clarity, yes? Are your spirits guide? Yes. Yeah, like the

Maestros Ascendidos, the Spiritus, yeah, yeah, okay. Okay, okay. Existing Spritus Guests and Masters of Sentitors of the Basque Astral? Yes.

Yes. Yeah. There are people that, of this person that, this class of spirit is that you

that you mentionas. And, no, I don't record very, very well, decarned they're

they're not, other, those, those, those, thenergie, energies negative.

Yes, yes, yes. Energy is negative and the back astral and

those those desencarned are the people after after after after

yeah. But you are bad corrupts. Yeah. Also, also those that are

like in this class of limbo and there are people that are people who

are there people that have people who have people who have been

the reality absolute simply is the experience personal and

And it's very interesting because, apart, you knowsts much of the thing. And that's a good. Yeah,

I've got to do it. The more practical, I feel like I'm more, more, I'm going,

desensibilizes. Yeah, so. So, so, so, I don't care, there's,

in those that I, don't, I don't know, I think, I don't know. I think, because, because every

to me, in the personal, me, me, I'm I'm going to an session approximately

during between a half and one hour depending all what they have to say the chismos or the tarot and I do you know

I don't want to do anything I mean I see my day has to count and I do you know I'm I want to

do not want not want to not want to do anything so it's so it's very so I'm so I'm

to do something to do probably to have a one month that I'm going to and I'll go to talk.

And it's he's in those months, you see, he's supposed, so it's a person, or he

and so respect. A sometimes, a time, I've got much time

yeah, using it, and he respect, like those spaces. I never had

never had a problem of that I'm not a session. So, so, always,

here's, here's here's a and I'm all of your place. Yeah,

yeah. Ah, it's interesting this. in in this question you know, you know, does use of the

sal? For something? No. No, no, no. I don't know. I don't know. Zero. You know,

what is the use of the salt in these arts? What sense? It's been? It's been. But, as as I've mentioned, there are people that,

one, you're more avidas of how it's how much I'm doing

I'm trying never I've done a ritual of salt never I've done

any of this class of rituals so I'm I've been

away of that so I'm yeah I have I'm

so I'm on a occasion we went with

a person that has much know so has

many many does much she is of Texas, also, and we came to a

place, and we're in at least I, to live the experience of what is a ritual of these,

no? No, so concreted. Something, something, something, but, he's never

has been in presence of that that's, no, any, any, you've been in presence

of, because you do you, no, of those, much, why you have much

to do the sale? Well, in- the rituals that they can do do with

with her, for to say, we've went to two months to a little

that was at the place. It's a place to the place. We're

not at the place. They're all with symbolisms demoniacos. So, it was

a met represented in a wall, the stars, not, all this.

We're we're one of the quarters had a one

a class like like, they've started like a ritual and

just this was the day of the bruchos in the there's many

there's there was the and there was a circle of around

of this some some some bells black they was

like they they did so when we have

been to this that we didn't know we

know who what he did and that has

been more during the exploration, but then the moment of that we go to the house,

in one of these occasions we're in a micro-ondas on the hour, only in the house no

there's a put into the stufing, like a kind of kind of kind of in the

you know, in the you know, that's that you know, the founts the water

is a point to explode to do it, we're going to we're going to come the escaleras, how

they're how they do they're doing the way, how they're in presence of this

class of rituals, is that I think it's other level, also also also,

also, I think, with the people, and I want the people, but

all the related to this, always to me has brought like, this,

a sensation of fear and of respect more than so. So, I

even I never I think, I'm to get, what more I'm what I'm

how I'm to where I'm so I'm like this for the moment and yeah,

and then we're going to hear it is a very much what you're saying, a medium

of the plopet the house for, for visit them for visitals. Well, is that

I say, to say, one, says, I'm not I'm going to suggestionate but the only

extraio that we did that did has composed the microondas or there someone that's just to put, just to bring the gas. It's the only relation that I have.

That's the only relation of this situation, of this place. In that occasion, we sentia us that someone was going to get us, we were not

to see that we're to get to let us know, they're not to hear a lot of the dogson. And this

also came totally grabed. We're going, we're going to the scene, and it's like

to cause a a time. So, all these things always after the

when we've encountered a class of a ritual or a class of a job that I'm

to say, I'll say to my no, well, we're to get to get to get to

a catchito of this or no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, not, because then the response is, what is the deed, subject, or,

entity or representation, that the simple fact of toparsela in an exploration are bad the news. I think that I don't, no I don't,

no, I don't, I don't, I'm sure, that is when when it's when exists the presence of an energy negative. Not it's not the idea,

it's so that the person that was here, what he did or what I want to do or what is what happened here is more that you're

immediately that you're you're just you're going to you're you're just a level like the energy

of the atmosphere yeah yeah, yeah, and it's even even you think you think that

I never perceive nothing it's it's a so you feel you there's something

there's something there not you're not you're not not come people who are just

that they're that's they're that they're not only that's vomiting

something in the in the in the in the people are in the people

in the places there are many people in the they're they're they can

can't get any can't get to whatever and there people

and make to other people and make you know you you know you can't

you get you so the things are extremely horrible. You know

it has happened that there people vomiting, things or that's like the

plan, no can't be able to get to look to look at the head, that's that's

that's that's that's a new thing, to the energy of what was the thing of the

people who visit in the place. Yes, you, you think, the places,

in creas more enbruched have been has been places where they've been those more

spantosas? Yes. Or not necessarily 100. I don't don't know that it's

so. If you that exist, that exist, there's where a little bit of a lot of there's

a lot of some of the but I'm directly related to something to something that happened.

Okay. This, first, in the antiqued it was that, and it

was, I don't think, I was that not I'm that was that

was that was the places dedicated to some adoration

of I just I know just a but can be also the mesquitas muslimanas

or even temples budist they're like soil sacro soil santo slo

slo slo you consider that exist in those are the

contrary totally a place so so far so that

that he's that he's not contaminated so that

that that that I'm I don't think have been been in a place I think the

energy of a place should be a much imponent no I mean I don't

I think the I'm the sure that that's that in my in my in my

is in a measure is in a matter like many stories that I've heard or

many other other other other places we've seen we're one precisely

that is known as the other the places more of the then then

there will be if this that's related to be related to this, if there really places

malditos so when you're going to visit we're going to wait. We're going to go to

when is that more? Final of April. Finals of April. No, this video If you

want to be a bit more if you're invited so. Oh, so nice thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. For agenda, I don't I don't I'm not but in this

time I'm sure I'm sure. Oh, well, we'll have know the time to be to do you

do you know and see you talk to live the experience. That's crazy. Oh, you've got to some

because I'm yeah, I'm trying to something. Your know what I know, that's a

day of year when we were when we're doing, I don't I'm not I'm doing, I'm not

I'm, I'm, I'm, like it's the part of the movement, the

the motivation, the, but I don't know why me it's only that the people come to

you. Something like something because, I think, I think, I'm I'm

I'm respect too this. And he also, but is a more more more,

rather, he's he gets a place, he says, take my body, and posse,

me, here I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'd and more when we

know, we know, we know, we know what we're what we So, of

a I go, hey, no, don't you? don't think you? Oh, yeah, we're doing the door. Yeah,

we know, we're a summer, but I want something more. He's always he's always this set of, I want to see what better

so can't be. So, so, the, of when, when, go, so,

no, not pass those, the the same things that what we're going to go to

go to definitely not we've been this, the same manner and it's what he says is just that

you're trying something, you're going to get more, it's more more things or pass more things, and

if we've done the experiment of that enter only is the same, definitively if the

energies that enter to every time, if they do a important in how will react to

what is going to be to And he also Fisht we've found even seen we've got to

Mouiquet these brou and these brouperies he's like he's he's like he's

he's like and I do you know he's to get to he's de a little he has

he has talked that after after that he's a infirm but in a infirm

and things so that he have passed for his same curiosity and

that have to have a problem more more So, not.

No, it's like, no, I'm going to do. No. Yeah. But, I think

when one also has that need a necessity to want to want to get a or retodora,

uh, the of the places are more tranquillus. It's like,

so much you're more in to find it and I don't know I don't want,

I don't want to feel not, I don't want to get a got to me has to

have the helled me, in a occasion, me mordier they

just just just a only a more a little bit a

bad at the time I'm it's a little in a little in a video,

I'm a more a more than a human no

and it's me and it's me made and marked those and it

after after after was in a place in a place I'm

after that we've took a clinic and it

is that appears in me a more I never I

didn't even in that moment, but the other day me doly and me dolea, me dolea, me feel,

and I'm a mordidda enormous. So I'd even a manna, marked those the dents, and the moretone

still, it was made, in the brazo, me made, a sombre that's a time, so I'm

always I'm always, I'm still, I'm still, I'm just, and I'm doing what I'm seeing my

pendul, I, I'd, I'm, my tableero with the pendul. And when I did that, this,

if I'd get to get to energy, that I don't want to capture. So, a raise of that I started like things more fervous in the explorations, I was just to do

do. And I'm in plan a companionate, to see what I feel, I'm going to connect with nothing. Because definitely one knows with what can connect.

Oh, yeah, and you think this has to be with that with these apparatus, no, it has the control at 100%

and it it's transformed like in a type of enchufes where they can connecter? Yes.

Asy like it like it's like it's like this need to say that or to

kind of to make to make with the with the energies that I've connected

is like this need to say something of that they're that you

want to the last time I was in a park that has a story very

fair Moolipas, of some the end of the park and then you're so you're very tense

and more you're in a place where there's much energy and you're in the night and all

these sounds and hear to hear that see mows and the mows all over those,

we're we're where it's like the point this we're just it's

we're we're just I'm put in a circle, I put the tableau and I'm going to So at the moment of that I gotro the pender,

does it count as if someone me would have hailed. Or so the pendul, has a way of responding, no, a through the energy. And this was like me lo, and it was like, and it was chinoed

all the pill for complete. And then, then I felt like, I was there, and so I felt, I got it, and I never, I got the session,

I got the tableero, and it was, it was too hard. That was the last time that was the last time that I, I was like the tableau and the Pendul, because I said,

I know with what connect I that day. Never me had passed that. So, so, that's, this,

they, they, they, like, they, and, I don't want to go,

to go back to the same, so I'm maintained, more, more receptive to see,

I'm going to connecter, and what, what is the story of that school? Like, so,

so, in that topado with that in that park, in this park, per don't.

Disapparecied three nine. Uh-huh. They were, they're like between 13 years,

no I remember well, there's then they're so what they said the people, because never

no, they've never had got the and that and that they're in there's

there's, I'm in there's, they're there's, they're there's, because,

you know, we're to get to a point in where there there all,

pasto and so arboles and just a more a thing, like a more than a

question. Like this, this construction is a need to be there to be to be able to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, no,

it's not, but I'm, so, I'm remontando to my investigations of cases criminales,

I've seen much precisely, of that they're, they're we're going, oh,

we're we're, we're going to tapar, so suspiciously, with Gavey with Gavey, yeah, so,

oh, like this, this, no me has this is where I put the tableer, and there was

where this, me, me, they were they're all, I was, how it

was, it was my skin, it's, the, that's, that's, that's,

that's, also, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, In the time

that you're to be to feel that that's that's that's what we're that we're what we're

what's what you like you you know you're saying the cold the odor asufre

the the the feeling the feeling of that's abrumator or

some emotion ambiental so much more marked obviously visualization

of somebras or of humanoid what all what

you you just you just what you just said the first for the general is that

that's a thing that's you're still you're getting to get a immediately the the odor that you can

be in a a quarter can be oller asy and the other can be able to not that you say it's

well if it was a whole the cause all the yeah but not just just in

just in different zones in the free in in some we're

coming we're also also a also a park that was in

Houston and we passed to some three passes that sentia totally calm we're we're doing

other three and we're doing that's we're doing to be let me go back right right

is that it's like things like no they're like you can't explain how is

that can change the climate in a place in a no there no there

no there no there no there so so so so

definitely it's first the the the climate that can be in

certain situations and then what's the most logical that are sombras voices

and all that you see to end this episode you have any other you want

one of the things that that most me caused nervous in the

place where I was just I had a program of terror

type the man peluda was more or more or so the

dynamic and I was in a station that also in a place all solitary, all extrano

so I'm talk to talk about of Nahuelles, me to talk about the lechusas, of all this

the program was open to the callas it's in the Valley Texas,

it was in a part of Tamalipas like Victoria, rhinosa, Matamoros

then they're many people of the zones of the when I Gravo this program,

me are people to say me that have seen a lechusah a time very great

for the area. So, for all the area, what is like the Rio Bravo,

Matamoros. So, a me really a attention, no, because always they

know, because they're like one of these people, me I was,

that the first that she saw, he was he went to go, he was

with a a friend and they were managing in a area

a lot a lot of there not there no there

there there is there there is a car

the and they get the and they they

they they they're a person was they they

they do they they they they they and

they start to get the car the the

after the of the grade that they even know

where the dog. After this they're to get a little

a lechus that's they're like the time of a little or something

that's you're to put to look the the time that's the thing

they're so that you're going to be the carcius that they're not a not a

to his camionetta and those and they'd govially and they'd go up and they're to get in a carreterer where there more automobiles.

That was the first story that I received about a respect to a lechusa in this area.

Then I mark another person and me say that in his abuela justly she had been

having been a caring a and he just a because he he's the

little you know the lechus that you have to tell you also also I've

seen, it's very great, it's of the time of a

little bit and it is a time, and it's in the night in the house of my

little, it's that's in the way, it's a little bit, it's a little bit of the little bit of the windows,

how is that that's those were some of the stories that me have

been to get this lechusa. I'm put to investigate more

and then it's the creencia that in poblad I've have a

whal and a little there. So I think, there's Matamoros

a city, but of a way a little that's in a

problem in things many things there can this mystic no,

that things extra are here. Now, I, that day I kept, like, quite quite very inquietta

of all the I'm, and I was out of my program, for being to be in the night, no, I'm, I'm,

I'm going, to get, I'm going to, I'm going to my house, I'm going, a second,

and I know, I'm going to my house, and my perros. Of course, so the

environment, normal, tranquil, it's to come to come like a very

very, so so that not, here it's much Calor. No, I even

go to agree with the time. They're to move the and my

people are the and my people are and they're and they're and ladry and and then they're

and then they're and then I'm really that I'm just I'm just what kind about

that's that you is my drama, no? And of they're so they're

quite and they're more little that's being over where I'm over,

over, over over over over over the entrance of my house is this lechusa

that a year I'm going to have been told enormous I'm paralyzed of that

I'm not I'm not I'm think I'm that they're what they're not more just things

things exaggerated because we tend we to describe or to tell a story more more

more but not I'm I'm I'm just like they've done this

a lechus of a time super an normal does a thing enormous and my

perrass neither they're even they're even later on when they

they're in a question, I'm what I'm I'm going to do to do

because this animals tend to try to do you to do you do you

do you do this contact visual I met to my house and I

put to I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm that

same night in my court I I heard I

sometimes some some patitas came on on on

on the on So that was what happened. Me said, they're probably the bruchas

they're set like this way, that they're pretty to give up to give us more related to the murder,

I know what I'm not what it's it. It's not exactly like eight days.

It was that I was going on the techo, yeah, I didn't I'd say I to do the

patio, nor it's one of the things that most me mark for just that there

more people that had been told exactly the same, aseched for this animal.

What you think that's you you're a idea that's a

wad? A brawl? Well, as I think it I think in all. I mean

to keep the possibility that this exist. But in that moment so it was

it was very difficult to be a not a moment to be what I

did you do a person to be a man but not not?

So, no. So, me want to care with the idea of that, simply

we've been in presence of of something that's here in the city that much

has seen and that can't be any of the thing. I've told them a story

that was related with this. Dice Estela that one of the situations

more one of the other of the other one of the one of a while.

She says that his abuel this story was one

and other And she not I didn't that he's talking to even

to start this podcast. His abuel told about that when he was a

young, he went to go a man and the venado and the venado

and when went for the body of the venado he said he

he saw he was like a person like a man he's

he he got he he no no he

had more more he was they the osico, he has three dents

of the and in that moment they're they're they're and they're and

decided not to talk or not to talk to and talk but the but the father

he's a little the situation is that this he's

the I think I'm a story very chaff of my abel

after I'm until I hear the episode of Naguels and I'm

the mind the the dents, I mean, I mean, I mean, that's,

he was a little bit of he's a lot of so he's saying, could be a, could be it.

It's a rarro. It's that the the thing the character of the lechus

was a strange. Yes, totally. It's like if it had never more

to be me. Exactly. So, curiously just that I had been talking about

this, I've been receiving yeah more of that that, like to feel

your presence I don't know what would be the intention, but, so that's a reality,

my my mother, I'm just about during those eight days. I was a

day with my my one year my mother was my one of the three years then.

So, definitely is something that's a city, that much people have seen,

and why not you can try to a animal not is. An animal no is. So,

so, So, I'm going to tell your stories very short-tits to be here that I'm going to like because I'm going to

like because I'm special for this episode. The first is a rancho. There's a rancho in the north of the

country. If the people have, no respect, they have fear. Because there are

things medias macabras there. This rancho has more of 30 years that nobody

it's totally only only and just quite. But even on day of today to be

things. But if we're we're going to past. If we've seen 40 years

there, when there was a movement, what would be a much macabro.

The rancho has a old that's a world, and never nobody with

the last in the last years he took to see

and that the time of the revolution or maybe

a little before was he used in many many

so to go to rateros. So, the people, doing justice for their account, it was

they were to do you know, is that they did a form, like, they were

they're a little, and what was the people, is that they not were to get

to the rancho, because when they were going to get into and they were

to 200 or 300 meters of the world, all said the

the arbor, belled people that were meceeing and they're going to

the same. And when they were the surprise of the tree and the ramas not support

and they had nothing and they had a a new that they had a movement.

It was pure madera and the thing. The thing is

that the duke decided that it was it was time

to and what was that every that the the job

or that same semester had a accident a or not never had

to the court because he was something the the the

he was and that that same same time that was before

that put put to put in the house the was

they went to and they went to and it was there there

there there there is there there when you're you're a

one of these three things. Or you you're you're you're you're

you're that's from the interior of the but the

the is the and it can be and they're so

they're so these and they're that the so so

so so so so And the last history is about a object

very rare. Marianna he know a Alejandro a lot he's made a

friend, but for how is the life they've had to take rumbos and

and Mariana passed about two years of not not not

not he and he's that he were he

he, he, he was all the time he was he was to collect

art articles the extraiors. He was like very affect to buy things that were used, iras, iras, aces, with objects antips. One day received a

call very lamentable, Maria. Alejandro had felles. And in circumstances very strange. No contested a call.

They're going to revise the department in the he lives and they're going the person with an infart. He had a perfect

condition. They're that is a excuse for putting a name to something that's a they said.

He's called to say, they're saying, that they're people who are they're in their family, so they

want to come to a place, to see some of the articles of the collections that he

had to do it, because all that all they're going to be going to give us

they're to do they're to do things to so, then just they're

just to do this and pass this mal trago and the dole.

Dice that she when go to the place, he's a little and he's

a second, and the family and the family, they are thinking, those who are the

and it's like they didn't even have done the the door. She she has

to do it to dole and that was something that's she's she when she's

she when it doesn't a very extra. The quarter is a back. The

front there's a window there a light of the because it's a silhouette very specific that many are quite quite

recognize. It's of those like these are like antivus and all the quarter is full of the poll.

Except, some the feet marked on the floor around of the space but not have

entered and they're not they're not coming from the door and from the door to

they're around the space and she be in a way strange but no pass of that something

something rare it's about. Of all the things that in the house, something,

something he did a click with a little bit that he didn't even he took the room,

to do it, and when he was, he was a macabro. No, he made to

make it. Finally, he said the family, that much thanks. She

she prefer not to get to nothing, and she did it because she was

to be to be to be to see, no. he says that every

every every every every the time if she she

a door of the apartment of the apartment specifically they

they're to and they they they're to move the and

if it is that three to the five of the morning

she she she where somebody is there there's

but there there a situation but your energy

so the of Alejandro. Wow. That the people are not? Much are they

they're like so, yes, yes. Yes, definitely. I'm also with the

space and when we go to places and there's where there is a certain class of

respect no, of how interactuas with the space that's there. Yeah,

like to try like the less interaction or lehania or what is what

you're yeah yeah for completely. Yeah, because we've

I've done the experiment of putting us to him and call to something, and if we're not,

how they're in the noise, so, so, so, so, so,

there was a very really, that literally, we've, they were so that was,

so that in the space, in the nothing, it's, there, it's,

so, and a way, in a place, totally only, we,

we, and we, and we to be, for the to be so this experiments and

see what this curiosity is always this is where it's where it's where has been something.

Always. Yeah. Melissa, much thanks for this practice. It was an delight.

It was an great. I'm sure that you'll have passed very good. Something with what

you want to do you the family nocturna? Well, first that, much

thanks to you for invite to all those who are to see this episode also

for your attention, for your time. And, well, I'm glad

so that's repita, ohhalla you're with also, and then I'm fascinated to be here.

Where can see? Where can know your work? The family nocturna. Well,

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I'm just for your work your work. And from the talk to have to

do you have to do and the day of the day of this is a lot of a lot of

a thank you a great family nocturna I'm I'm I'm

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