HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - Mi Maldición Familiar, Brujería y Entes Sombra| Oscar Gherbert @SeRegalanSustos | EP 177

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

No creer no te libra de lo paranormal 😱 Bienvenida Familia Nocturna a un nuevo episodio de  @HABLEMOSDELOQUENOEXISTE  y con un invitadazo, el buen Oscar Gherbert  @SeRegalanSustos  El día de hoy Oscar nos comparte historias personales aterradoras en donde su familia y él fueron víctimas de brujería, encuentros con entes sombras, grimorios, situaciones paranormales en hospitales, exorcismos y aberración a lo sagrado .. así que prepárate porque es momento de que  @HABLEMOSDELOQUENOEXISTE Hablemos de lo que no existe es un canal de you tube con el formato podcast que comenzó en abril del 2022 su primer episodio fue vivo en un casa embrujada en el que una chica narro sus vivencias y sucesos paranormales a lo largo de 20 años en la casa de sus padres, desde ese episodio hablemos de lo que no existe ha marcado una tendencia en exponer casos paranormales de personas comunes que viven en diferentes partes del mundo. Ice Murdock es el conductor o host de este canal, durante casi 100 episodios no apareció, nadie conoció su rostro y la comunidad de este canal , la familia nocturna creó teorías acerca de quién era el dueño de esa voz.Hablemos de lo que no existe se destaca por tener apertura ante las opiniones experiencias y vivencias de cada uno de los invitados.La comunidad de este canal es conocida como la familia nocturna, de hecho por estar leyendo o escuchando esto tu ya eres miembro de la familia nocturna.. bienvenidoEl duelo de historias es un concepto que se creó en el canal @Hablemosdeloquenoexiste, idea original del narrador, se estrenó en el episodio "Comité de la Muerte ,historias de Hospitales" el 1 de junio de 2023 y empezó a implementarse formalmente en el episodio "Abrí la puerta a un Demonio" el 11 de Enero de 2024 ; consiste en un duelo entre Narradores, una dinámica sencilla, donde cada uno cuenta una historia y busca superar a la anterior y al final la familia nocturna nos comparte en comentarios cual fue la historia más aterradora.En este canal se relatan historias de terror paranormales, sobrenaturales y reales, prepárate para conocer el miedo de una forma en la que nunca lo habías experimentado .

The of the little bit's the little bit a prophetizing things. She not was to enter

in contact with a good she said that there was a lot of and she was going to go to the

same that you're not going to the same God I'm going to I'm to know

for him I'm so I'm feeling that's tembland in the room the

the one the well Family Nocturna, to this new episode to let me know to talk about what no exist. The day of today

we're going to be a special and this is a spoiler. It's going to be an episode in which we're going to go to do inso and profound.

For all those that they've had been a talk and profundizar most in the time, today, today is your

talk. Today, because today me company for this first here, the good Oscar Herbert Desregal

An Sustus, my man, how you're very content, a little nervous to be here,

yeah I'm a other time. Yeah, you've been,

they're there's there's there's a experience. Yeah, oh, it's too

that's really, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, but for complete,

of my zone of comfort, but the pass a chingon. That's that's

that's that's and then that's they're not that's that's, that's,

that's, but I'm in the part- normal, but but also with

a in a scheme of, yeah, comedy. Yeah, and pegandole a little

the comedy, you put him there's a little nervous, you put him on the table maybe. Yeah,

yeah, and can't if they're like, like, as they're like, and like,

without how much they're so, but also the stories that were they were

good, and the third time to get a little in curba, because yeah

we're there the pan the t'alluas that they were oh,

oh, it's that the The food of here of Oaxaca, well, of Tuxtepec, specifically because I don't know if came much, according to the zone. Deliciosa. Deliciosa. Paisages, genial.

Comina delicious. And the person is, well, no-se-dia. A lot of people. They need to Tuxtepeg, people. Invadn't here, the zone of Pac-Areys, from the good Oscar. City of Industrial, too, not there had no,

there's not there. One of the fabric of serviceras the most grandes of Latin America? Yeah, this is, the ingenio, and the papelera. There, there, there, there, people very haladoer. That fregon.

You are from here of Tustopec? Well, I'm, I'm more time here. I've been more time of life in this city. But I'm born, I'm in a place, but I'm in a place, in the state of Veracruz. In the state of Veracruz.

But yeah, I'm half Oaxaquean, half of Veracruzano. Midas, Veracruzano. Well, Oscar, will be a moment in which we're going to come to trygist

a process in the that even I identified, to have been, been been, not have lived, because it was

the life that was in certain circumstances in certain different churches and

not to know changes, changes very different even when the proposal of the dogm

it's that it's the same. But before we know that part, I know

that you have been situations over-natural and other things, we're we're not

we're talking about that yeah. I'm sure. I'm let's

let's let's and again a other a family of the

family no, and I'd say other thing, I said that's a family nocturna

but there was, I'm my word because with Kike Wirta had a phrase,

a, a description of the family nocturna that we that's that's not

that the window, yeah, yes, yes, the stologists that, I don't,

I don't I'm a but but it was great that far that far is that

has been growing that France, and I also totally. And, apart, before,

I'm really, I'm just, this fraternity that's done in the family nocturner,

Jesus of Nazareth, no mirs for the ventana, Extraormal, podcast. And now

with the us stologists. Fiatte that, before to enter in the time,

I'm like, I'm just to put to a person, to consider a family, or me

consider it of the family where we we're doing, where we're here, I see

regal a I'm a lot I'm sure, I'm doing not doing the grand

work that you know, and the grand family that you know, that he is a

man, that he Jesus of Nazareth, that the unicornio and I put to

and I know, I'm a, no, so, some people, so,

some day you're, and some day you, and here I'm, so, so,

yeah, I'm so, I'm, I'm, Nazareth. And now I'm like when you're going to when you're going to

he went to get, I'm saying, hey, maybe he mentioned the narrator and I'm feeling part of it. That's a, it's a good. It's a good because I think

I don't know if I was, I went to you, but for me this is an experience very beautiful because not had had been the opportunity

in many occasions of Monterey. To, to many of the people with the people with the people who, you,

I just those be yeah, I was a point to to be a front to front to comepas. Apart that's yeah,

you have we had there's a interesting the thing. I like the chismito. You used the chismito.

But, well, we're going to start with the theme to what we come in for favor.

Look, I'm from a family that has a lot different. My mom my mom,

my Christiana, my abuela creen other things, has a practice a little more

more more more, Some of the lecture of cartas, limpias. My papa was in this

umbral between being a Catholic, no, I'm not there that's in the seminary

also. And, you know, and then, you're going to be different, you know, that's a

thing that's your mom are bad, or that's your things of the parents of my parents,

when I'm my time, when I'm past the time. My Papa, Well, a little

peggandole, yeah, down the chistecisio, peggone a little to the question

with the regions, he's in unulgues, so he does his life, and the more.

Cres in my brothers, and they're to pass a process a little

dark, oscuro. My papa totally negating the existence of, maybe a

person super and if no exist a a being a ser supremo, well, no, a ser,

that is the contraparte, no? In one occasion, he says, you know, they're

going to some situations with your brothers, that are that they're of the workeria.

The same car did when me it was, but a very, if you don't

think you're in this, how is that you're doing this? That's the people get in a They were in a plate. The platoon,

I don't remember exactly that was what he said, and he gets a child and he says,

this, this, this food has a time. Not you come as. A part of there,

they're to get in the family in the family of my family, my brothers, no,

my men, my papa. Stando all there, in the city where he is, a tia

me says, is, this with your brother, this with your brother, and this with the more little bit. Tal-bees,

the one of my brothers, not so relevant, for so so-de- or so-

sinister, as what was my brother. My brother, of the problem,

he said that when he was done, he was parable, he was, he was, and was

to be able to talk with the, that was even in languages. and there is where they're going to

focus. Dice my Tia, that my father got to my brother and he's got with a person

and he he's how it this situation. The little, because my brother had

had been maybe about him, the the new is going to this, he's going

to be he gets done he, he gets to act a little extrao

and he starts with a voice that not he, and and he begins to

talk things that we understand the clean and the way, and the other,

not it's a son, I'm going to use this word because I don't know

the the adjectives for these things. In parallel to this, we've we've been

here in Tux-Sepec. We're we're born in a city near to we're

we're here we're and we tox and I tell that in parallel

to this because all the nights I'm parable at three

of the morning. At the three with three with three. I remember that was

a time of night after night after night. In one occasion

I was I was I was back about. And I remember that

this man always the head was over the head to the

person. So, I'm that gets a someone and he

par to my side in my room and I have in the man.

I think that was my brother. Recordando what you told that you then we

had been that you always like we used and we we were we're we're

not in my bedation I'm in the room. I'm going to do you go to

do with the dormido and then I get the and then

I'm The camera, no there's when it's when it's this part of what is going to

here. I'm I'm and I'm when I'm when I'm I'm going to feel

how the camera so I'm under like someone somebody's sitting. Like

in the movie of Emily Rose, you know? I was so, I'm so

someone's I'm and I'm and I'm there's this day to be my

brother and said, hey, is that there's a lot of this case.

In parallel to this, my family yeah, with my father also were in

these situations, that of a person, a little, and the

resulta that the person with that they have had to be

to be a person, that I had a time to be to be

to a my one my man, the and this What's what was

a man? He gave a day, he said, you know, this is the, a vestito for the

my papa, I don't know how they've come to this conclusion of that this question, the

says, you know, you know, you know, to do you make to make a new, and that

this vestido not to enter the person, you know, then we we're back in this

house where me the of the camera in a occasion I was

yeah in a practice here at the guitar I was to put me to practice in the

time when I didn't in the house because I was I'm

never that I'm just I'm so I'm to the door

to the door of the the room in I'm in

of my mom and my father, of my other father. This, tardy, he's is a cut out of

the sun, and it's me to get the spiga or the puda, no? I goho, me agach to

recogel, I'll go to go to back, and I go to the cell, to the back, and

I'm going to be, to see there there, I'm not there, I'm I'm here

again, but you just that you're that's I see how it's the externo

to my brother only to be to do three days get some some some

some people maybe of one five years the n and the nana of those

three and then my kids, my father's my mother and

my my mother and my and so my

my and I don't go to go to the man says

you can't enter because he got to get a man who's, this,

this, my woman and I were the only ones we're the thing. And yeah, but my

man, to be my man, and I'm, and I said, I mean, said, I saw, I see,

that's a man, and I didn't enter to the baron, and I, like,

the chaskarillo, in my family, so, when we're we're doing, we're doing the citations,

ah, that's the fug, yes, yeah, so, it, My papas, for questions of the

work, they were to go to the City of Mexico, and these tios, they're going to us over the house, in the abitation of my papas. In the recamara, the television is down in one base. Dice my tio, that in the night,

he's been getting to dormido, apag the tele, and, of a sudden, open the eyes, and be a little bit of the TV. He gets a, to see what there, and no,

he says that he's going to do you and then he on the television

yeah when when you get my my papas oh yeah my my papas are a

so I'm a stuff so this this coo'nado that I'm here here come here oh man

you you're like you're like the time of my my middle

and my two so it so really it's but I've

my men I'm here my here the little the there's like

some amulet that I don't know what are the functions and were pausances these events. I'm, I'm talking to my father, there in Ciudad Mendoza,

that is there. He said, I said, like, two, three months after, constantly me I'd be to be at the 3.3

of the morning, all the nights. And, me, me, said, I have to tell you to that I just

I just to tell of what he passed to my brothers in in the Mendoza

me the I'm going to my dad, I'm not the whole of the time, it's all the thing to be

what you have been to what you have been with your people, because me said,

because I'm my people, you know, and what more you know, well, to us,

unfortunately nothing, not, perhaps the just those just those but there to be

a other cause more But at this side, with my two brothers, passed situations

quite difficult where even they're in contra in the life of my brother, the first time

was the process from the time you know, months, years, no, it were months. It were

months when my father me said, I said, my my tia, yeah, me had

had a situation a little rar there with my men, but I didn't know

how much was your version of this. And I da'ad me He says, my papa, is what happened, this, this, this, everything that I've mentioned, the regal of your brother, the most

little, the place where I'm eating, and they say that no me come up, because there's a job of, and there's a, of, or something. But it were months. For us, for us months. Pasta much, much, much time. And we came to,

we've, after, like, almost two, three months after. And me explain to Paco and Kiki, the issue of the hour inverted, that's at 3

of the morning that it's the hour inverse of when was

crucified Jesus Christ and that is the hour in that it's the

other to the light to come to get to the

innocent and that I'm that me got that yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's in the in the

in the in the three 330 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3- is a type

also, depending, the situation, but there are people who call them a hour and there's

to be just with a time of the time of the time of course, to be able to be in the supposed hour

in the that you're more than the thing that is the question symbolical of this situation. So when

me said, Paquito, this, I'm revent and I'm, no, no manches. It's, it's a lot

to be much sense for me being this, the start being a something, and at

At the final, we didn't if it was something or something, but I'm there's a time, and then

the relation with the two of my brothers, then I'm gotro in a curve. Then I'm putting it in the

time of adult that I don't think I don't think that I'm not in these things, well, it's much

a much coincidence. Your Papa, to who who's to get- to help a person?

A man, a curandera, a, Look, the data I don't I'm exact. I know

I'm sure with people that no has to be with the creencia of a god

the god the god I'm I know I'm that other type of other type of

of help yeah that's yeah I'm not so he was a no

no I'm no with your friends in some how many how many has

been many 20 20 years. And has spoken about this time with this time? It's a thing that's a bit

taboo. With my my sister we're doing we're talking about because you've done you've done you're doing it. It's done to be able tootroes, at least at this time.

where comes too I don't know I'm I'm a little bit of a little

the first of the letter there's there's some velouras some of the some polvillies but I

know where it's the where it comes to yeah and she had a little book in

that I'm sure that see, for there there has a little little bit there has

some something that is a little that's a little that's Catholic.

It has also, it's a duality of that does these practices, but also... And is

Catholic, practicante? The net no. I see I've seen that the saint total or that

the virgin and a combination of secretingism. Yes, exactly. But so that I see a

many quantity of a in the in the church, that no, that's that I'm

to say, more than this, this, this, this parrances, the channel, not to enter, to involve us in

if they're being, correct, is correct of the of the senses of someone. It's more in relation in describing a little this entorne in the case that's living and understand what are the phenomena like social, also, spiritual, that's they're living. And I'm, I'm going to do what of your

well, because I've tried to rasker a little the thematic about the thing that's a

very few people are the people who are the real reales where are the right, they're doing,

so they're they're doing, so they're and they know, and they're that question of the grimorio,

that's been more than a grimori is a recetario is a recetario, and not they're a problem the

families in the other do they, and the checken, but normally And this is something

sort of me too fertecito. Those, when they're they're setaries literally like of medicines

type of bularia. And of rituales of that they're in more that are a question

symbolica that pretend they're playing in something but not a rito invocation

or things of this type. It would be in occasions, it's because if it's because if it's

it's because I've got to all the cases, and, of the fact, if there's a contrary to

what I'm to know how it's a very, it's a lot of the way, but it just with the work on the

work on the kind of a kind of a contract or contract with an type of entity. But what interesting is dualities?

You've been a matter of, so, you've been in a mat mat of, desincretism, but creencers

because what me, what you tell you to your mom is that you was that you a, well,

Of the top orthodoxa, rigid. It's still standing there. How interesting? How, how, how, at the day of today has done, well, let me make more

the context to the family nocturno for that you know, where you're in this part, like, of experiences institutionales

religious. Okay, I, this, I've, I've really revolved a little to the history.

I mentioned two times to my mom was back, and, when my mom, I'm, where I was where I was where I was doing that I was living here with my

my papa and my my father, I mean, so for those two fathers, not? When my mom says,

separate from my papalological, we're going to put it so. It's a step of a process a very

very important, for what you mentioned about that my papa, well, so involucre sentimentally

with the first woman. A part of there, I think that the sustento for my

my mom is God. We're going to refug in the the love of God

and from here he comes, he's dinner, we're in the church and we're

going to make a role. I had approximately five, six years. I was in the kind of

when it was all this thing. My brother was my little, it was a

me of a month. I'm that a that's never I never going to forget

a. A second, my abuel my Honestno. And me said

go-monds. Where's where we go? I remember that there was a carmendetta with a lot of

a car. So my my papa, not the house, we're not. The car did you

this way? No, mom gotro, you know, I got to be to be here. I'm going to my cras.

And then we've got to take this role to go to the church, all the days, to

go in the night, in the time in the time, and you imagine, since the five

to the 12, 13 years to going to the church to the church and then

all these rituals in the Christianism and hear the dogmas that they are obviously they are indoctrinating

you are forming a idea a quite of what is the life and after like the

14 years my mom is when she's when she is when my papa

with my papa actual we we're we're we're we're

we're about She, she has to go to a little to go to the family,

the life, I think that also he was his doubts with respect to the

creency. And there is when I emigro and I go to another church

that is where I make a friend of a pela Fustan that is

a pastor that I want much, is of my dad. His

fathers were pastors in that then and they

present a a god not so belicoso as the god the god

that's a man, that was a man, that was a person who had

been a person who had been to get to get to a cock a cock, to

get to a different, more more of a Jesus much more

more flexible. There is when I start to learn a little more more,

I'm with a reasonability, I'm to ask, I have

to look, I'm a part very no and all respect for the people that

that's to write to write to make a a lot of books Christian resagated to

my house of my father's that they they're they're they're they're

and then those tomas like the second Bible no, this fulano

he's so this is the fact this is the fact that's I'm going to and so so I'm

so I'm so I'm to get my my first this Christianism but when I

go to the Well, I just to go to the church. I'm going to get the role of a university sano.

Because you said I'm going to I'm going to get to the party and I'm great. Of course, my friends,

it's like, we're going to let me go. No, I'm not a university of a

pay, and I made very money for the cost of the food or I'm

I'm I'm to make my chelas. And it me made a lot in this

moment to get the harr, in a other to put me

to study, maybe. When I go back to my little to my people natal,

almost natal, I'm I'm going to get to another church, that is

much more laxa that I present a a a Jesus, and I

say with all the respect, a Jesus a more a a person,

a Jesus more to love, more to love to be more to you

myself. What's would you are the differences in the second and the

third because you mentioned that was a god in the second and this is a a god more hippie.

Look, in the second was to inculcarned more the that the faith you have

to create, a bit I'll be a point to this manner your convictions are on the faith

for me was redundant no okay my convictions are the faith yeah

and okay and a book of not I'm going to say the author, but you have to

read this book, because to go to go to the university. It was like the preparation. It was like the

problem to start to bombardial with these ideas, with these thoughts, maybe with philosophies, that are a

little agenas to Christianity. And you have to you have to make a time. So, no

it's a one of the great problems. That's not us to question a question to what we

think we're that's that's very important. And, well, there, like, also I'm like, a bit more

the part of, is that you do you have to be so, no you have to dolegaer for, for questionamments

of the world, not you don't have to the world, because we don't know, not you're not the

world, because the Bible says that we're not, but what's the world? And a, a,

a, a, a lot of, well, but, but is that Jesus, is that

just that was just just, you're, you're saying, that not me

I'm with the world and it's because I'm going to cartorreying. The majority

of the best is that you see to Jesus when you about the love in the Bible

then to go to people with people with people who was a Christian

that's not a not because no me let me make

that I have a living with that you want to contaminant in the city of

Mexico obviously I'm to be getting the Chaskerririved

And the form of to romper the attention. Very good, very good. I'm going to to make a parenthesis for the family nocturna. I'd like to see this

enfoque. No, are lessons religious to what we're doing here. It's a process of life

in the when we when we know we we'recees in a seno family there are

creencers, independently of the religion in the crean, or just in the fault of religion, or just in a, let's ateism, there are dogmas. I mean, there are

creencies firmes that are so, so, they're not explicit, or implicit, and say,'t them, they're, so, when you've been processes of deconstruction,

as in the case of Oscar, that you get to a process in in the that, ah, car to,

you know, I'm to question the the , you know, don't

to be in the kind of and then the sense of and that's a way and a

view of a different, conflictive in a moment, but too, very rich, because

of a person, you're not, you're not are conscientious of the

sub- so, they're in the thing, and with this, I'm

saying, and saying, if you you have a a crevence is a And if you

You have a credence Afrolethism is not, no, no, is that this role is just that that each

kind of a question and from your perspective is going to be a right. So,

but out there, there is a realque that I don't you don't you know,

so simply is a experience of the process. Is it is that is that is that's

really, so much, I don't remember, I don't know I'm we're just, I'm just,

at final if your system of your has to have a life in peace,

I think your system of a question of the question, I'm a question of

this part of the way, if I'm if I'm a Catholic, so good, that's a good,

that you're that you're a good, that you think you a God, in the God,

a Jew, Muslim, if you're a, if you're just to have a good, that's a

good, and they're not, and so it doesn't give us we've reided

of many things, we've rid of the brughery we've rid of exorcisms,

we've rid of us overridden that we're there's some of the things, we're doing,

certain certain things, certain criteria and we're going to yulele and that well,

well, well, we know, we're we're doing these licenses of,

well, to reemes a little of what we're we're we're just, we're

we're not, we're not we're to make to make to make to feel

to make them, no, I'm, the creencers not should be put on over the rest of

the person who don't think, the same than we're the thing I'm used to say, I'm a Christian, and I

have, morally, I'm not, what you're what you're saying, like those like those like those,

I'm not I'm more than you. That's a good interesting, because that that's the thing that's talking to Oscar

coincide a lot of a lot of that I think that's, I think, the person, the how

it's used using the creencers in general, that a some religious, but a a lot of

a question like a style of really, they're using like a kind of a kind of

to position me in the other and say that I have more more power, more forces, I'm better,

etc. And so, you're going to do a time, until you find you

something that you want to you're not you have done that you're using your

kind of you're a level or an non-insient or internal, but in-torn to the other.

And so, there, you know, it's not so what you important, but the effect that they're in

your entom and for that people, and is that I don't, I mean, if someone this,

if someone gets a because he to not profundize in their own part more

superficial, that is the that they can use the that they're that they're because, as like Oscar,

a much does pass that when they're to start, when they're in the first of you're going to

not with firmness, are with doubts, and are with situations that they're going to get to a situation in

that the only sometimes not because you because you start, and you start and you're

to know that there are forms of there's to analyze the information, to interpretate the information, conclusions to

that you're to get to to get to and there there's a question, and the Christianism is based in

one of the Bible, because there's many Bibles for there's many different forms because there's that there's

that are different forms and because there are many dogmas that chocker between them. And, they mention the other as the

other, and they're the same Christianism. So, so, so, then I'm not I'm saying that one is

correct and the other, no, but they're not the phenomenon at a level social. And many times occur

because leaders and the name and the nomination that you do that they're using

because they're using as they're using as a form of positionationation and they know. Because if

if they were really around and they're really about, the get a real realdad, profundiceary

more and they'd be able to a institution a institution and the name and the name and

the name and the name and the name and the name that's, religion that's, that's,

and so I know this stories in many religions that I'm going to mention here because not it's not that's not about

but it's for you know it's very interesting but, but I'm sorry my pyrotene because the thing is a very interesting

it's a very extensive and so it's refirmando what you have you say I'm saying I'm talking from my trinchera

it's your vivance exactly a time very very personal if me I vent to chaskarillo and more

it's for a thing that I'm living because it's the manner of how I'm canal these emotions

or maybe these doubts. You're going to a story of the when I was about a

time. It was an un-sportable in the creedions that I'm a little. One of the

time we're putting the taco with some people. And resulta that one of my more all-alleggated me said,

well, I don't think in God, I don't care in what you think you. I'm not

I'm not you know, you know, not the thing of the thing of football, no.

Because also they're that into your group of your group of people you have to talk to

you know, to make it to get to get to get to evangelize, I mean to get them to get them. Yeah,

this palad me said, the one Jons, me say, no, no, not you know,

so if you're, so if you make you say that's that I'm to put a defensive,

no, I didn't I think to defend my credence in this moment, simply

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life very bad, you're going to go to the infirm and things. So, that's, that's,

that's, I went, I paid my account, and I said, I got in it. Passed the time, and

this group of people, and we were there was there, they were, they were, they're not,

I mean, to be a little bit, that's to get a lot, that's the thing,

yes. But you, but you are so quadridden in your creencies that I

am Iterized that way I'm going to be a friend of the world. For something I'm

getting without a Jesus, he's to be the thing you're imagineate the thing that

he had in that moment. I'm defiant because I had 20 years in that time. But to

that's a degree of that group of people, it was was insuppable the way in how

I was being this this question, if your system of a good person,

to be those three-res-kredoes, that system of creencers not is all well. What's good that you put is, because even when the contradiction is obvious, if the mark of creedance, no, no you can't be, then

that's invisible in the effects of what you think. So, if you simply crees for creer and not you have put to analyze, really, in what you are trying, what effects in you and the other, and then see if this, if there's a congruence or an incongruency,

simply you're thinking that the things are going to and you're putting up credence over creed

and you just over creedice and you just a lot of the because, because we're talking why we're talking about all this?

Because in the paranormal exists exactly the same. And it's a thing that I so those have

commented many when in the comments they're saying oh, what is what is boom!

And at after there there is a a case a a case,

or an etiquette rigid when you say, the theme of the problem, if the

religion is based in a book sacred, this, this is a

case, so it's a caseuistic at level a race of the religion. Necessitan that what they're

is also reflected in the type of phenomenon. So, they need to there's a point of

that my book, the same, they're, they're all they're a book sacred. So,

from my creency, what I'm doing I'm listening to do you do you're not you're

not a opportunity to observe really really this type of phenomena and you're you need to you need to get to

a conclusion anticipated. And then really, and no observation, no any kind of methodology, what is necessary is to start that chapter and not questioner more

that maybe could be able to make my credences, no? And, look, yeah, after, regressal to the time of the

of the, the other, the last, I think, to me present a a, a Jesus much

more laxo. Ah, yeah, the hippie that mentioned this version. And, and,

with all respect, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not going to respect to respect to the people,

of the master. When you use the word hippie, that's the word hippie, is the figure that you can

give you can give you know, when me invited for first time to say, man, to say,

Jesus was a realipy revoltoso. And so, I'm going to be in my domicilio, no?

Yeah. But, really, well, revoltosos is synonym of revolutionario, Jesus was

a revolutionary, maybe he said, or mal did the the word hippie, and not I mean I

didn't that give that that's that I know I'm from my trincher

when me present a Jesus much more than this Jesus full of this Jesus

that's that's that's that's that I like much because yeah not

is being not is frontal with the rest of the people that

they're going to show my version my of

a more with a fundamental in the ser that I'm thinking that is a very

good point of partied. Is that why be a person conflictive? We have to get to get

the way to get to you're going to get a better than a better than my life. I don't

have a very good relation with my mom and with my my brother, and with

my father. So I start to see to this measure that the

that the that's that's erroneous is this person. A person very

very serrated in ideas and you have to go rompying this so, no it's not it's

it's the people that the people that the it's if you still

you're going and you're going a relation fey with mom with her with a

mother, with a thing you're definitely no, I'm I'm going to this

the same anseys, more of the more of dad. You mentioned that was in a group where we

were in a missiones was a community. We're going to the hospitals, us and they were the

the and more than that we're not to get us to the hospital

general of here we've we've we're we're we're we're

we're that's necessary a A lot one's one that's a manned for the

and you're in the time you're doing the time we're doing and you know, is a person stressed and you're you're in person and then you know, the people,

then it's a, talk about two, three persons that they put them to to be there. I'm just my spouse is the that's the there's the

there's a right. And we're here I'm with a nana and then, well, yeah,

he got a put us to talk to talk to her with the she got we got us there, we

got her a baqueira, the baquita and we we got to the we come from the nana

and at final we we asked we could we we could we're we

she was a woman that obviously was a self and disampar

and needed be heard in that moment. So we

we're there we're going there and we're on the other day we're

there we're going to do that to do we're going to we're to

we're to get to a experience that was a

was a front we we're we're we we're to

make a old Guatemala there there there a

man yeah great I remember I'd I'm a a bermuda here

a car a a plier like a very oversized quero a

a rostro a very very very very this I

I'm I'm and I'm to talk to we

we're we're we're we we're so what you do

so I'm so I'm passing the rate the conversation and

it's or to orillar to to Jesus and me he says, no,

of Jesus, no, and I am I start to say, but why you don't want to

talk? It's just that you and it's a degree of a cause, no?

When when somebody to say, you know, when you say, for what? I mean,

he says, look, I'm a got to me a gal man. I'm a person.

I've seen things that you people that that's the in the name of the name of

God, in the name of you're going to me don't me go to free, no?

Well, no, it's a not a manipulation. Or, how do you think they

the idea that I going to get to a person in the name of a

name of a God and the name that is the God I'm not to

not me don't to talk to and you go

I'm I'd say a I go, hey, see the the Lord that's he's

he said, me he said this, this, this, you know, we're

we're not we're not we're not going to a life about the that he's that he's

a lot that we're that we're that we're we're doing a family, we have

a reality totally different to a man a man a man a man. Okay,

I'm I'm doing two separations because that you mentiones is very very

many people but here there is something that I need

to let's a that we see because one of the

signos of the position is the abrration to the this

is very interesting this person this person could

be that has that and you know I'm

I'm never I never I've never probably they

were probably And only had a hither a single. No, it was something that impact to

my head and it was a matter of the question. Sure, that was something that was a

person who was probably had lost the life in the hand of a person. But what

is in a war, it's so atroous and is the questions of humanity that I

don't know I don't know for having lived, I'm for never to be to come

to come to the reality, but I've heard plattics of veterans of

the and their emotions you can just do a bit of an idea of the infirons to do you

have been exposed. A person that has been managed from a creencia religious to do things

or see what people do they do they're that maybe the minimum is an aberration, a berration, a separation,

or an asco. The aberration to the sacdra in the possessions, no is that. Because you do you do with him,

he, with tranquillity, with, and, spending too where you're doing a lot and you say

it's a there's a man who I'm going to let me go to exactly but there's a point in the

there's a there's a fact that's a unerational to the signbrado that's one of the

one of the person is a and it's they're that it's that's not that's

not that not you're not you're not that's not that's not you've been a not you've

you've been a that's not you're no that's no is that

is that Sin that you know, a a person, we're going to suppose, that has a an acid,

an oil exorcised, that we, we understand this. No, if you'res in this or no. Siggumel a water

exorcised, exorcised, exorcised, not with the rites, and when a person, and when it's, the person,

and say, you know, because, I see, quit a, that's part of the aberration to the sacred, the aberration of the

sacred is when they're against a symbol that independently in our mark of a credence, I'll say,

see the description of the situation, be the description of the phenomenon. The simple effect of

a object that symbolize something a little that means, that the rationality disappear in the

absolute. And there there's no has been a sense. Because if someone who has been

in the situation atroces, not it rompe, because someone who never has never had

a story of a shock, if has a reaction. Now, that is a single

sign that should be to say that that person is a no, no, there are many many

mentals. But it's a sign in many so. I'm not this. This is

a clear example of a rechazes for experience very different

to be rational the sacred into the symbols that have

suffered positions is the sanssonism the sansonism says that, oh, it's very strong.

No, no, no. There are stories where a child of eight years no can be never been up to be able

to be able to people, not they can get up until they don't make the piece. There's a senoglolia

that's different to the senolalia. The senoglosia is a person that makes to talk, a language that no

knows, including in languages muredas. The senolalia is a person that apparent to do that but that

is a doing nothing. and the other, well, I think it's seven or eight types of but the aberration

to the sagas is one very difficult to be able to so that's that I'm the other point is, you've been

in missiones in some moment in missions they gave to pass a kind of sort of natural or

preternatural or of light or of the light or a protagonist in serious in serious

for for favor look we're we're we're we're a little

distortional. We're a place where we've invited a pastor and we

present it also the also the how you say, who is, what has what he has

put some medals very high that's missioners and powerful and just

just not we've just to talk to the love of this to do

a this total that's the people that was this

infirm, I had some had some some he's, I'm he's

that he's there's that I'm for them and then a man a man very,

very flakita. This story also I'm to tell to the manned

to a little white, a a piece a a man,

a a mann't a for the people for the first of the

Nazareth is a yes, is a Saludos to the NASA Saludos Albuena for favor

I'm talking about the NASA like like like a like a yeah

yeah yeah yeah I'm I'm gonna he's that he has

this this this the in the hearticulations and he dole

the those that is I can I know I'm sure

that is it's a it's a it's a not the time not no me

don't move those his his manitos they're like, I'm like,

I'm sure that you know, I'm for you. And then I go, I go to your bracettos

and I'm no, no, nothing of show like, like, God, I'm in

your life of your life of your life, I, I'm, I'm,

in this moment, in this moment, in the name of Jesus, amen, and I'm just to do it.

But when me says, yeah no me dole, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm a man of In In real Yeah, So, yeah, so they

They put in his eyes like, I'm so he abrose and he's and he

he went, and I go to, and I said, I'm gonna go, I said,

well, so, to see, to do we never had passed this. And yeah,

like the story of that I know of the people, yeah no me just didn't

and I heard or not, but I said, I said, I said, I said, yeah,

I said it's The phenomenon, and moved the hands. So, no, it's not not yet rigid. It's very interesting, that with this also, it's with much respect for

all the persons cremets. The phenomena that occur in relations, in relation of the sanation, is a thing, is all a thing, is also a theme, is also a thing, not I want to say controversial, because not

is the word correct, but it's a thing interesting to boarder, because occur in many religions. I was I was a very creient

I think that certain miracles were exclusive of the religion Catholic because it was what I'm

what I'm when I'm when I'm I'm that certain miracles or situations supernatural

because it was that much were in a question like a question in much

other religions and that that's I'm made to make to make to

It seems that the phenomenon of the oration is something. I know how it's to describe what, or not necessarily. Here, the clients are much... Exactly. Because, because it's like, what you've said to say, it's a much,

that I've known people that, that I've said, is that standing there, when I put the hands on the person, me constatow, and with the time, I revised,

and I didn't have that situation. He said, but I don't do anything. I said, I was doing oration, and no sent you a power.

Nothing mystical. Nothing mystical. That also also there's a phenomenon where if there's that you know because I don't

you know and you know you and you're that you had a problem and if you talk about

and let see you talk well we went to we're going to talk to a a place to a place

at a place a person that precisely came in Monterrey and was here

in Matias Romero so the go And we We went to We went to We used.

The case that we were We started this person started to about the history of when

when they're they're they're they're in the role and says Jesus power

said Jesus, power was the woman of the whole this was all this

was going to be a moment of that. And then in that moment I'd a polon there in

the foot there in the foot that's the in the talon very incommod the hour of

coming. Very dolorous. Doloroso. Dole a lot of so. This person is,

we're, we know, says, I want to all the people who have a pain to

come here, I'm going to be able to be sannas in the name of Jesus. I said,

well, to be, and then, and then, but there was Oscar Herbert, it's par.

In this place had a much cold. This sir, I'd try a

twas a stow and he's doing show, but also that's a man, he's an

man. I'm not a man. I was attending to the person, I'm a little a tawya,

the fact, the fact, the fact, the I'm a bad, because I had all the

all the all the time, when I'm when I I'm a to get a time,

I'm I'm tume the talon the tailon directly. And I don't know I'm going to

So, so, that's good that's what it's going to this. I'm not I'm the feeling like,

I'm at the foot and I'm put a plantia between the foot and the knee and the I'm in the time.

And I say, yeah, be it to sit, yeah, it's a sound, and I'm going to

get to the door. I get to there the cell and I'm to hear, I'm going to

carlito, I'm, I'm going to do this, I'm, I don't know, I'm just, no,

man, I'm really. no me dole, I feel like if I'm put a anesthesia

and you yeah, no me more than you have been in the time has passed? No, but I'm

talking about that's more than I'm not not. Never you you've done to see a

radiography to be there or no? No, yeah no. It's like for that I'm going to

go out of but I'm going to but they're that I'm not the thing, I'm the signora that I'm

about her what of this man, that's not even he did a little bit a and he said, and he said,

and he said, and he's to sit and and he's a second. And a question, I'm not,

I'm want to be your time, if you presses attention, in your talon right, what was the

problem? The right? The right. The right. So, I'm just like if

no, I have been the ... Like, like, no, no,

no. That's a super-locue. That's super loco. When Pacito me question, that

me invite here for first time, you do you think in the normal, I'm like,

I'm going to experience that I'm experiencing that I'm not going to go to be the other than the other than I know the last time.

I was told me and I was what is the difference between paranormal and supernatural for you? The

supernatural has to be with the divine. The paranormal I think is the other side.

The maligno. Okay. Well, first, what This is very important because this phenomenon to occur in a much of people. We're, the human

is a manage for marcos of creencers. That's, that is important that the people know. All we do. And if you say, I know, is that simply not you know what you notas.

But we're managing for marcos of creencers. In the world, we know, we don't know from the way we understand and a part of it is like a lens and perceivable

the things from that angle. So, in in these marcos of creencers of paranormal

and preternatural and all that's it's very it's different about this type of I'm not

you know a time a mark like a part rational that I think for much would

be a power of concrete to be to be a question to come to come

the phenomenon that you do you a lot of people and the phenomenon is that

the people are the Mark of Crencies, all those things are

relegating. And just for these podcasts and these practices, at the time, I'm saying, I don't know,

I'm going to, I'm going to, and I'm a chawah that's a story and me says, look, I'm going to

talk about a much confidence, we're going to get a lot of her because I need to me, I'm

said, I'm I'm not, I'm not I'm sure, because for me I'm want to be

interesting of terror or me used the story, and yeah. But, a day me

I kept reflection because there was a story that there was a story that there's

going to do this and then I think, why? Why? Why do you have to

talk about that's the story? And I go and I'm and I say,

oh, what you are you are doing about people that people that's what you

pass to your prima? That's how it to be my prima? Yeah,

he he's to say you know, when you had seven years and we

lived there in Mexico? that only was a time a time a quarter of you

remember you a time with your wife you know that's that my time I'm caught no no no

no no no no no no you're not you're the two and your two prima were the

best of but your primary sometimes it's weird and a elate she was

she was put a put to talk to with with the air and we

we're to let let us they're we're a situation psychological. With the

years, the little the little the new the new things. But those things that

prophetisable and she had to enter in contact with something. She said that there

had someone saying and she could be there. So she had not could

enter in many places because be he mortals, I saw

so then we're we're to talk to separate

to because that we don't we understand in some moment

as some about some kind of and we're doing a kind of a don't know, we're trying to my prima my prima and my

my prima and is a person a lot of that was an idea of a lot of the time. The day of we are a lot of us people

totally ageness and with certain resentment that he guard because I he had to talk but never there

no problem that's a situation and me he says, no, you know, you'll that you

don't know your mom said, but you know, then you can't be that someone could say that someone would have

been able to that and there's dislokeed a record and me I'm that standing in that

house with those socesos of my prima one day I was, I'm doing with my mom.

The camera was up the airs and he didn't know, I'm going to my story

that's the story's that I'm and I said, if I said, so it's so it's so it so, so,

because we're not going to get those things, because we're saying that's because we're very up

the same thing of the family. But if this phenomenon occurs, they're, they're doing

to hear this, and then they're all cases recuversed and revisensens with family, because at a

time in the environment more certain, have happened things and are more

than the thing. That's a bit about a bit scabroo when I'm

when I'm about the thing of the thing that's the most, the majority

of my first, all the time, you're all the time, you know,

and ingunying to the people with this type of things, and now we're

we're we're getting, we're going, a part of two, three

months to be many the people are having the liberty of to tell me experiences

that's very rare, and I'm saying, and I'm saying, and I'm saying, you know,

more flexible to hear of this type of stories, because I have learned to call me and to

listen to the person. One of that I've talked about, me probably, I think, is that

sometimes we we're not the stories of the people, because we're real. No, it's

succeed. But, but they they're they're they're they're they're

not you're not a thing you know the you know the so you know the

so they're a friend, I'm a friend, I have told a pair of stories in the

hospitals, me has told that I'm going to say in that hospital because

it's of here, it's that he says that occurred a phenomenon

very rare that when when he a patient to a

this consultory consultorial, we're going to put a number. The number 14, that patient no longer

to live at the other day. And they don't the manned is the 14. And when they're a

person at 14, no, no, not he'll be a little. Or it can be a little a result

is the same. And me this bato, I'm a man, I'm not I think in these

things. So, for statistics, it's a rare. There you go. There's a there's a

there a little of this exists, nothing of this And, this type of vision like rebele of the life

of I go contra culture, I have my own own, but it's radicalize a little. So,

then you start conflictive. And it's a because you're like, that's bad, and why grow in that? The cargerber

of the past. Ah, so you do you know, so you know, this chick not is with

something religious, is anti-system, anti-tto, so anarchicic. Okay. So, she is

living in a pension and just that pension, his papas forcied a chorro to have been

a very good trot. And then even not had the most people who were the money to pay. And no way

to make it. And she conflicted with the duke of the pension. And then they got a frugrable.

So she had a situation very precaria in the that she does a in what situation

is to and it gets to more reserved with his comments because it has made

a that's nothing to put the carry and to

have to have to Minim of those a year or more because the papas

not are in a good situation. Well, in this context, you'll get a

chido. It's a carona in that they rents in the people who live in

14 people for publics. Purs students in situations similar to the

yeah, very bad the pay but because the communities are the community

and I'm in the house. No, I'm not even for the mochila and the money, and it

were to do dream in the cross is for what there. And I put in that situation. So,

I learned to learn to call me the book, I learned to find out to know, to know who to know, and I said me

a good experience. Well, there was where I learned that the paranormal is a real, and if it

did you know and I think it that I think to do you that I'm I'm that I'm

getting there a little bit rare, very strange, her vestiment, so twendo, but also

his form to talk, his form of moving, was a woman but at the time, not you'd

give a impression of those people, that's a person who'd make the , it was, it was more

that I'm that I'm and as much I was very called there, and I didn't me intend to

with much for not generate a a bronca and that they'd because if no,

I'd try Rondable, but I was, but a a day that she was a day that

she was also, she's is to talk to talk to and me say in

confidence. No know, but I'm doing studying for you I'm in

this city. He's there's there's a new this and she

and she and she and she and she said, she she said, that just

she was a friend you she was a woman. Then I started to say,

things she things really things that was that was just that was

not that I'm , but I'm two chicas that were little little little that were in

the kind of a little very strong, they were this chick. And this chica

no said that she did her and the discussion. And at the day next I

took to be there and I see where she's doing some some things in a

libretta I'm some some other things more. These papers

termines done some they're put in a mott, it's in the

Congolator that was in a house and he he's and he says look,

check a if the boat is wrong she's she's going to you're so I'm

so I'm and I'm getting a lot of and I'm this is a bad or no,

it's a psychopath to be a day next she didn't she she was

she was she not she not she no she no said no the boat nobody

nobody the boat in nobody the chics were they're were nobody

knew why. And only they were to get to get to nobody. I heard of

the do you know, no, no, we're going to not, we're going to the city,

the two. Because, no, so I'm what you're what you're the situation. Is that

three years after, that's that's situations, I had been there I've been to other

other other way, yeah my story had continued and the the brao and the

woman, I don't know, the broca, how it was, my telephone, no I don't idea.

And me he says, my my kid's my need to need to need to

a collect and I'm you know and you do you do you don't know I'm not

I'm doing I'm doing I'm doing this things and I'm doing this well

conste that you know a call the telephone no I didn't have

the number of the number I'm no I'm no no

I'm know I'm years after this chica she has been

a woman famous. And now see, yeah, I see of it. Apparece in periodical, apparel, there's

there. And my kids, and those four years, they're doing cancer. One and

the other, the other, the second, I'm I'm going to give the other, no, I

want to say that I'm so, then you know, so the phone are public, I'm,

you know, and me says, your kids too, you're not you're not going to

keep the So, so the Mio. He said, the day of my

children are my children who I'm that's a thing supernatural, and I have to

refugia in different religions of my family, in what they were thinking until

we're going to find out because I didn't know because I think it was a day of

God, one, you know, the other is the other is going to live around. But,

but I, I think, I'm going to that. That's what story, no manches. That's tremendous,

right? Yeah, and then then you know, to get to do you know, to see what you're

going to be a little uncomfortable of the people. I mean, I amending a chasker-reyo, talking a

little of this, no, not to be the drama, no? The people that have these don't are very

very dangerous because at final, are human. They're are human have emotions and actua

and actually irrationally there's a story in the Bible a very interesting

that is a bit chuscona vending this side the story the

the the prophet that was a man that was he was and

the and the history narrs that some morerillo some

they're the rule of that was a pelon, that was a calvo, and the narrative says that they're

doing to they're going to be able to a can't a little bit a man, he's

he'll go to go to kundo, invoked Heobato poweros and he

he'd that exterminate the children. The history says

that God manda a two morrillo fourand that is

in the Bible. And then we then we if there's people that has a don,

has a don, in this case of God, Jeobah, total-powerous but he didn't of his enoho

because he felted on the respect, invoced the name of Jeobah, and it was in the Bible.

There's got in the history of the Diceo with the 42 children. With the two children.

That's what's that's something that's something that's something that would be a person who

manage those comments. Yeah, yeah, here too, understand it. It's a, it's a, it's a a little bit of a lot. There's a thing that's a

this is interesting. The syncretism is something that no is something that's something that has almost from the initial of the humanity.

When the governments came out of they started that a form to put to a group of people to

enter to enter to make to make to make that assimel the new mark

of creenions then, vendiento, gato for libra, or so to give it in a process, they were a method that was a good and

less belicoso. Then, it was institutionalized. And many institutions, the Roman, the Catholic, but not are

the only ones, many, many, they're done that's a great system of education, and they've

started to in all. Here, the situation is that if you start to see, you're going,

you topas at final, with the raises. Or, you top as a,

it's a coming in the combination of these two, three doctrines for this the creencies

more the situation regional or the creencies of the folkloric because

the Christianity and the Judaism only only have the books but not

they're very interesting the thing. It's that they're saying

about, but even one appears one, that is almost aberrante with the other. And that's, and that's, it's,

to take a book that one is the correct and the other, no, is the phenomenon social, and not, I'm the, what is the reason?

But, why not, they're not? If it's supposed that, from there Christ, and if there's certain creencers,

but when I'm going to start a little bit, in what they're the rabbin, over the Torah,

and the how it's they're not present primas hermas. It's two things in

those cases in the couple of and they're in the world, we're going to understand this way, we're going to

do this way. Have you seen something? No, fissioned that there's no, I've profoundized.

If I like, for example, understand what you've got to say, the context historical.

Uh, no, I do, I'd say, sometimes, can't be to get to to the

people, because I like, I like the Chivilla. And, and de Pront,

you know, with all respect, of the Virgin Maria, Joseph, and the most, because

you're a little, no, he was a 14 years. Jose had more to 40

years when the issue of Jesus. Because it was been in these

times, not it's a lot of this. And of a pronged and then you're

so, because they're in the Wachaca okay. Okay, so then much

people like that they're But I'm trying that in that era socially, these praxis

are being arresting from from from the same Isaac with Rebecca that also he was going

he was playing up over the 30 and apart they were primos the little the year I was a

context historical in that but but not even even so much so Macondo two years

of soled you're that's marking that that is part of the normality

where I'm like the chica, but he's 14 years for that but I'm and the family

gave a permission to be a good time. Pusus and customs and have been said I'm not I'm

not even though. So, is the context historical. Yeah, and also, I mentioned the history of

the I'm, it's a carnita behind the, you can't give a person who knows, you know,

well, this is this said, oh, that's so that's interesting and put them, yeah,

I mean, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm just, look, this

man is utilized for God. But also he went to go to Jusri and he

justice there with those 42 whirks said they're in your town. Chilpayates, morritos.

Yes, and as those stories, there are that in the Bible that

that that I'm going to start a little as I'm to learn as it

so, okay, of here here came the here came the the

the people, or how it's the people of Israel in Egypt, the the parallelism in the stories of the 12

tribus, that the brothers of Josue, venden for 20 monies of money and

to Jesus they're the same, the same, the same, and the pastes of the

numbers, et et cetera. And I like, how it's going to the part of the

story, that also the other other way, it's that if you like, if you're

like, you know, Ries, Samuel, and chronicles. It's, it's, they're all,

Just the more, I'm there's for the game of tronos. Yeah, I had to

say a thing. Yeah, I had to get to that, yeah, when I

went, when I went to the lastime the place, where it's where

where it all the, yeah, the part of my exhod, no, yeah,

to get to the , you, I had a good, I'm morerillo, in the

tele, you'd put you inlace or these and I had to there's

people that had to put in the people and they were because

they're not, what is the explanation of this? The explanation

no I'm I'm I'm totally renuente to this what what's

what people? When it comes to this time I'm to come I'm

I'm and the and he made the merom and he's and he

he he's literally me I said, I'm going to hear the and I'm

going to be the whole, I'm going to this not the I'm sure, it's not you know, it's going to be to talk to the

city of the Monterey and also, I'm sapeer. So, so, so I got to to get to the name of

Jesus, and then I'm going to be to be going to be going to lastimate these, no.

Pace the time and of the last experiences that I took the into the institutions

was this. There was a person that these that nombs prophet and he started to

ask to talk us and I'm the last and I'm the last he's not he's

he's not he said this is my head to gore by me and when heiman me came

what's what's what's what you what was what you do you simply

I'm I went to work back I'm I'm so I'm

so it was a thing that I to cry, to do this things. Dormid,

consistent a perdid, conscientious, me cailed, and I get a other person, and

still go to me, he put in the hand on the back, and it was the only time that they

took her in that situation. But I still don't understand how is that one

is that a person, he can do you, he did he put his hands, he put

his, he puts his his simply they were these are

these are these? These are we're in front, me did this. Oro for me, and now just he went to

do the moment, he's going to, he's going to, I'm going to back. And I'm going to a person, yeah,

go to be, not for me. Not at not. No, I'm not really about things about,

bestante, about my life, and so he went. And he's no, and no, no,

no effect second, positive, negative? Positive. I, she, I,

she went, she, I'm going with respect to the thing to I mean I'm going to write much to

write much to write a music and he said he said to be a little bit of you know what you know what

you're doing you have to you have to you have to you know to do you know of this and the name of

okay and and a part of there then and I get like to get to get to that's

that's that was what that generated for me but not it was a thing that was a

not of something, I've had some I'm going to and the and the last. And yeah

to start I'm a my boy my vis-avuel my abel, my abel my abel

was a old, I'm in his, probably, 80 years. I had problems with the prostate

and you know, the deterioro of the life. Me a little a Tia,

who lives in a city very near to my wife to do my way to the way.

The manner in that I think me is my tia me got to get to

a little to get to work the part of the father of the boy. I go, I'm going,

I'm got the car to be a car to presentable to my mom, and I'm, you're, in a , total, that's, I'm, you know,

And, and in the infirmative I don't like me be able to be able to know,

I'm going to go and I'm a little last time that I'm going to get a hell of

he's he's recosted, he had in a situation quite a question,

who is, I'm I'm I'm I'm a gladiator no,

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm of Raphael second,

the ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, and I said, and how you're, well,

but, I'm going to get a manned to this, malillo, well, yeah,

you know, you know, we're we're doing, we're we've got a conversation like,

of five minutes, and he he asked that I'm he said, and me said,

but he but he he's to what religion you're going, because he

he's of the same of my my mom. I'm, well, I'm

well, the same than you're but I think in the same

God. I think we're in the same God, well, that's

good, that's my be he back I'm I'm I'm

put the hand in the front and I'm and I know, but

was a like I'm with a I'm for he

I'm I'm I'm so the issue he he's he

the first and I'm and I'm and I'm In that moment, I feel that

someone, I mean, I feel like, I feel like, I have the eyes inter-sehrated, and I see a somber, like the light

that's here. Opa, yeah, and so, like, I was re-o-o- I, I thought that my tia, I'm going to

ask for him. De-pronto, I'm trying that's tembland in the room. Abro the eyes,

and I'm to see the ventilator to be to be moving. But not was the ventirator, the that's the

moving. The one of the was I. I started to tremble to those that are the people, it's like

a state of when you're more to get in the, in the time of the alcohol, that you start, you know,

enfocas, I'm, I'm going to to be able to my abuel. And me I'm feeling totally

maried. When I do I do the bigito, my my abuel, and he's

a little. He was a black. He was a red, rogo, rogo and he

in some his legriams. I said, I'm going to go to him, I'm going to do you know,

I'm going to make a way to me, so, and he he's like from the trance and

me says, this, I'm doing, what did you? I'm, well, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, and the me He said He said

He said There's a There's a There's a One where you Where's Where's

Where's The world And so I mean A good He said I've I've

Presencied I I'm a A one great And I said I'm

My time My time had Yeah And I So I So So I'm

Mareado I'm So I to nobody. And yeah, well, I put to y'all and I'm

going to I'm going to him, he'll get to the he'll talk about, and well,

then I'm to go, and my old, my abel- still, he went, I, he went to

and he all, I'm a, I'm, I, go, I, I'm, I'm,

no, is that, no, is that, no, nobody went to there.

Nobody had been gone. No. And, so, so, like,

that's of me tumbled in the hands. So, yeah, me serve in a coffee

and I'm there's a place, I've never had presential something like that's,

I'm back to get to my friend, he's pastor now,

I'm to tell this this story, and he and he and he

says, that you're not you don't you're not the magnitude

of the God in the you're the and then my my

old he did another six years to be a two

two months, he he's he's he's he's not he's

very little he's very little he's he's not he's gotro his chivas and I'm

go, I'm go to the port of Veracruus because he had more family and he

and he's and then and then he was done getting he's he's he's never

he's this time I'm so I'm I'm so much when they're a story of

what I'm to turn to but I'm he's Samanta. She said she has a little

sucese until the day of the day of I'm that he never is a repit

something that's in the way. she was a lot of she had a little to have a problem that's a paralysis of the

I don't move. Never had lived over. Then she started to get a much fear.

But what he does more fear, is to get that something that's not to get to her and he

said that she doesn't, not only that's not only that the body to get to back,

for the quantity of the amount of the power. So, in that instant, it's open

the door, he gets to start to get to come to me my chita, let megita, let's

go to dorm, and she no, you know what's what's what's the how she

knew, because she was going to know, well, the day next, because she

was there was a situation very tetic and I needed to the mom would be and apart

not it and the morning the morning after the last after she had

been up her she had been up she had been not so I'm in the house,

and then I'm said, mom, what was what was what you metista the court?

And you He said, no, I want to say, tell me. He said, because me was going to go to the door. He said, yeah

I see. How did you? I mean, and then I thought that something that had put a an attuendo and

like a car like the of your old, he said, and then there was a moment of the

dream that you were in your room, you had in your car, and this

thing, disrasated of your woman, if he was at of you, he's

going to go to get to and then to get to and the thing. What I'm

in the room? The camera was there I'm under and I'm sorry, and I'm so I'm

trying to trying to you know, not you appresarasate. But, well, after the

story. Well, Oscar, Herver, much more for ever to have been doing,

how you have been a little nervous, the fact, I'm sorry, on this person,

and then before the narrator, sure that me'd neverovio but much

It's a good-so. I liked this conversation. And I'm going to have a conversation to get to be. That's the part that's true. And to the

family doctune and that's a good week and that you have a sweet and that have those