HABLEMOS DE LO QUE NO EXISTE - Vi éstas películas y sabia que algo andaba mal | ft. Mina Martins | Ep 146

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Bienvenida Familia Nocturna a un episodio prometido que la Familia Nocturna esperaba con ansia, está con nosotros en @hablemosdeloquenoexiste nuestra querida invitada Mina Martins, Mina Martins, se dedica actualmente al arte y a la lectura de tarot, vive en monterrey nuevo leon y ha sido la invitada en los episodios 116 La bestia habló: ella sigue siendo mía y Ep 134 Invoqué entidad con grimorio Wicca. El día de hoy Mina y el Narrador se adentrará en la oscuridad aterradora de personajes de ficción que estan basados en hechos reales, desde asesinos seriales, magia negra y geometría sagrada, así que prepárate para que @hablemosdeloquenoexiste.

Also have a No, some symbologies very curious of the color of the magic

that's about absolutely of magic and magic and so when I'm so when I'm this

so much a family to come in a new episode to let me know this I'm

I'm excited I'm excited because I'm here in the studio my good

my good my minute hey how how hello very

very very Point of view and information and much curiosities more.

The people he loved the episode pasto, I said, Mina, me

I'm so great, that's okay, and there's a lot of that episode. Oh,

yeah, that's a good, I'm a fan that I'm of this podcast because I'm

like this work, and me like the things that we're I'm just I'm a

person that I'm put this message, because the theme of characters of the

culture pop, that have really a background of magic and occultism for me

is fascinating. So, I remember that the last mentioned some of them and I said, it's in

serious that they're in background? And from I'm the idea to this episode. So is that

I'm the most emotional of the time. Thank you. And we going to

start the invitation. And well, obviously having the characters of culture pop,

well, there are many types of characters, not necessarily are super-ervers

all, no much less. But if have a real relevance at a level

cultural, no see, we're going about the characters, those who we're going to be

a matter no profound or specific because we will be the typical Jick that,

no, this, how is it's, how it's a, comic, and the

we're saying about about the culture popular and of a appreciation

of elements that are included into these characters and that

they're the tension because they're related with the fact of being reales to certain point, no? Like he's

the word, or the art imita the life or the life imita that's a good phrase. And, and the

fact, we're going to complementar this commentio. For the family nocturn, for all those

who are listening in this moment and have more data about these characters

that we mention them, put those in the case because, I'll say, I'm the

more interested, I I'm I like to go The retortization. Sure. Exactly. So,

remember that let us let me talk of what no exist. No we're so much in a question

of a question of a fond, not are not some documents. It's the spinita

for that you're going the and terminated the video you say, okay, I want

to know more to this. And you, you're you're going to

you say, hey, there I, there I don't know these interesting, because

because, because, because of this, we have to us new things, to have new

perspectives, and you know that's a person with the episode, is one of a particular

that I even I've seen, I mean, of the fact, to the real,

I'm here, this movie has been in a good time, it's

Disney, and it's the the dama and the sapo? Ah,

the princess and the princesses and the And the enemy I toped with that is based on

a type of deity it's a could say I think it's of the culture I don't see of the

palo mayom or the budu that's the baron Sameri and in the movie

and in the movie, and this personage has all to be like with the

people the pastos of the story but I have a

great doubt. Siento that that personage I have seen before. And there are

two series where I've ever got to topar. Or in a movie and a series. The first

is American Horror Story, third time. And it's good. Yeah, very good.

The best. The Coveny. Well, if they like the stories of

the bruchas, that time is. And there appears a type of sombrero and with

the car of a kind of painted as a skeleton. I'm the same deities. It's the same deities.

It's a other. Papalekba, it's called in the series. Papa Legba. Ah, well, so that's the Papa Legma and the other is the baronza-media.

But we don't know if he has a different, but, but it's an intermediary. It's supposed that he's

in the series, I'm clarando, it's supposed that he's like a demonio that's like in cargated to transfer

almas to the inframund. And he like, administra, for so that's that's

that series. Exactly. But I'm... In the Budu or Sateria or Palo Mayombe, because I don't know exactly if pertaints to those are those, the papalegba and the Baron Samedi are... It has a function similar, I think.

But not are the same. I know, I mean, because what I'm... What I think is, like, Papa Lekwa is more... ...obic is more... ...un a person who... ...asen a person who...

...asen troters with him to obtain things. Okay. And the ultimate... in Constantin. Ah, and is the type of

dwean of this kind of an trough that has a little can't have to have access to

the infamund he also. He also is also he's more based on one of Disney and there is

I see more similitude to the Disney than the Papa Lechba okay

is more well the barons Samedi yes it's like a

kind of an kind of the world of the spirit and the world of the entities

with the humans And play that That's a paper, no. Okay. This, this I want to

tell the family nocturna. Why we about these characters? Because we're one of the major discoveries

in this podcast that me me impacted much. And I'm a me because it's in my

context. There's my program. There's a little of that but not so,

it was, when when, when I was many years I'm a book that's the

name of Patrick Ruthvus that a The Fecha, Patrick, that we're expecting to start to the third part,

you have got to see a year. But we've seen. But we're patience. Well, the name of the

Viento, I think is one of the books that's most I've really. Very well. So, I

recommend if they're those books of fantasy. And it resulte that when I'm in

the podcast, me top, when I'm doing investigation about what is the magic chaos,

I'm top with that you do you to be to pay different socesos

that occur. And what he with other names and other denominations, is what was explained as a magic chaos, and me impacted.

I said, I mean, I mean, I was, I saw, I'm a lot of, and now I'm seeing that

practically, he's fucil- there's many things in this book, that are ideas personal, but all the

question magic is this. And then, I'm going with the question, other things are there

in the culture pop that are in this context. From there, this episode. So is that one once said this,

Minna, tell me what characters you're trying for there for us. Oh, yeah,

the first I know, is very cliché and very classic. At the more people, I,

I, I really, I'm, I'm, I'm really, I'm really fan of those

movies from the 80s, almost 90s, that's the Choky, no,

this, the muke diabolical, no? Because, all the you know, you know, that we know that we've seen,

like the Chalki, uh, and that's this Charles L. Ray, that's an assignee in series, that's a minute the muke to get the man to get a

time to start changing of the and that's a person who's a day that's still today, still still is a moment here,

but it resulta that I don't know, had disconocity that Choky was based on a story real.

This story precisely, uh, was very in the man with the Boodoo

that's part of where Choki we're going to say, has those powers, no,

we're going to say that's that it does it and it resulta in Florida

of 1903 for there 1,004 there was a family of people very adinerated and then

in that then you know that was there was the thing there was

a slave of this family a senior a senior in a age. And the person was a practicant of the buddh. But the problem

here was that the family of money, was they were very abusive with her. So, yeah, a goalpest. It was a family very, like, how can you say it's very violent? Or that not they're not, we're trying to, but we're going to

say that they're trying to the worst. Even there, there's some theories of that this slave had, had had been a little bit of her and they were a

product. So she had in vengeance a create a new year to a piece of and he's

and he's he's he's he's he's called Robert the in that

then that is what I'm this he's he was he he's

he started to develop a activity paranormal so so

Robert is a man he's a right in a museum and

and then more than 100 years, obviously. But it's the base of the story of Chokky.

The story that are the stories that make that the family started to have seen have seen

to hear a bit of a bit of and a travesurras and the the little,

the boy was the little and the little was that no, that was the man

so the family started to have to have a, to have They had

Pruevas like to see there's there's a bit of a bit of a bit of

a lot of it's that they're obviously like they're having, I'm the magic

negative of the woman this, then they they're they're in a

habit, in an aftico and 50 years after the person that person

that comes to get to another back and he will present

the same the same so So, it's supposed to this moke,

uh, well, after the day, she'll don't a a house to a

house, the boy is an artist, uh, and already they're in exhibition.

Of that there's the movie of the movie. So, so it's not far

of the fiction as we've thought, obviously, well, here we're talking of

that Choki is a an entity of, well, an assassin in series, no,

it's, it's, it's an a series that wants to re-encarna or change of the body and then we've lived

eternally doing his fechorias but the choky the Robert that's the original,

well, we know if it's a certain, if it's an entity a demonio or is a

phantasm or of what type of entity of that we're talking, but it's much

curiosity how you you creses as thinking that that that's like that that movie

or that a movie is based like in something chistoso or to a certain point

comical, no, and already, it's a sun a dark, no, we're going

to say it that way. That's interesting. The actually, there's

one of these movies of the 90s finales of the 80s that me me

impact-to I think the first movie of terror that me me was a

really, and it was the freder and the thing. And he he, he,

he, he, he's, man, a question that is of a pact with some demonious

and is what he has that he could, after after to have been in the dreams of

the people of the people of the adolescents and disappear them. Well, the situation

is that more than that question of the pactos and that we know that are

many stories related with in the occultism or in magia

or in satanism or questions so that is like is like

very iconographic or very stereotypical. The creator, he when was a little, he took to a entity that he was traumatized. The entity is

something that we know that since years is a lot of it's in a connotation aterrador and is the

man of the sombrero. Since then he he wanted to plasmare that the

sombrero and transmit the terror that he did he and then he's freredy crue

why aparted all the connotation of the assicino serial is in a

situation that was when he was a man of a person that was not

I don't I don't not know if it this combination of the man

of the sombrero with this personality that then there

then then so it so it's impactante I'm I also also had seen a

one way that had succeeded like in a public, too, like a kind of a kind of

kind of like they said, like it's a different people to start to experimenter, to be a entity,

in the same entity in the dreams, like you know, I think that they had to have taken

like the idea also the idea also and that you're that part, not. Siento that,

it, obviously, the moment more vulnerable, no, I think that all the moment that you're going to to be you're going to do

the peor hour, no, like to recordarte of what you've seen of terror in the day. I think it's a lot of me, the same thing that's true. I mean, it's true. I mean, it's places. Lugares in those that never has been in any part of

there in the descriptions, they're in the other person. Yeah, I think that there is it there's a

certain point. And, obviously, there's the theory of the reality, of the fact, that we

don't know, we're going to all the plan of different entities, or the people are that are

different forms. So, a And sometimes not is that we're one entity in the way, if it's a kind of a

manifestation spiritual of a person that we're seeing, and for that the plan astral,

that is where the people, when does these these suns, or meditations,

even it's supposed to they can be to other parts of the world, can go,

they're to go, but in a state of a state of a specific, and program to go,

or programarse to go, for that, because, concuer, the entities, concorded

the places or that are those are the people, we're going to say

that's the world of the life. That's the plan astral.

Ah, what interesting. That's it's like if was another

reality. It's other reality. So, this the the

sun lucid in see is like a manifestation of

this dimension that is called the plan austral

and that's used by much people that's or

or bruchos meditators or agnostic or what you want, all they're, they're in the plan. The doubt is that plan is the same?

Yes, is the same plan? It's like other dimension. But physically, when it's they're talking in the same

zone? Well, it depends. I think it how it how it interpretant to their

because when you have, you have, you have, you know, is the 100% veridico,

how it is your interpretation of the entire. So, here also,

but if they have places in common and coincidences in common, then you're talking to a place where all

that we're when we're not. Justly, because the doubt is, in which would be

not more, taking this sesgo of confirmation where we're not we're not saying absolutely

nothing and in what is probably you're exactly the same in the same

in the situation in the place of a certain this way also also,

because the descriptions would be physical. And there's many many many perceptions of people of astral that

like it overpasa the physical, that's like in other grade of materialization. Yeah, depends because if it's a

mannaja, well, it also depends much of the imagination and what really is a dream lucid.

Because also, obviously the dreams are products of all the motivations of your entorn,

no, of what you of the films, etc. So, there's there's

where we're to find out of where we're going to be the plan o'clock. It's not we're not not we're

not quite we're doing, and how we're doing what we're there. There's people to do to get to

get to these states of consciences to program to be to to go to see, there there's

there's that there's that all what's in the plan astral is reflect

in the reality. So, we're going to the world of the

Swayne's like the dictator of what's going to do you're going to do you know about

that's interesting those theories me are interesting. It's very interesting. I know a person

that makes well, he says that he has like these these like to programers

in dreams even even says I'm for example I get to have a difference

with someone a problem a discussion I'm programed doorme I'm so I'm

I'm so I'm I'm what I think to resolve that situation, to the two, three days,

it's a two, three days, the plan of the dreams, the plan astral is a plan where, it's supposed, no,

not I'm saying that's a reality, but what I've heard of the people who practice, is that it

is that materialize in this plan, in this dimension, or in this matrix,

or how matrix, matrix, that's, that, pardon. Oh, I'm going to

I'm doing I'm doing this My Spanish is very bad It's the frio The people I want to know that

These days in Monterey has been a very poor usual So there's We're We're doing

We're We're We're We're We're But we Mano Very interesting

All the Soo of the Soeons And about The Soe I'm I'd like

That's I'm One of the You're That's The Doctor Strange that manage this

in this as a motive plan astral, no? Sure. If the Dr.

Strange, it's one of the characters more interesting of the culture

popular for a that now he got a lot of this of the

film and the actor is very quite but the

movies also not so now. So, um, already

what they're seeing I'm we're going to talk about about

what's he's what's the thing, that's the that's the

most we don't, not of the comics, or nothing of the style, we're not

to endang in the mythology of the personha, but are in certain elements that he uses. Between the

elements that use, particularly, there are many theories metaphysicas that are, for example,

the history, for example, the realities different, the dimensions different, the theories of how,

in the movie, if they're in the opportunity to be there, they're

like, capacitando a Dr. Strange for that, uh, access to other plans and even to other dimensions or also to,

and to, and, he, he, they're doing, that he makes, the portals, uh,

for, uh, to, uh, capacitarse, no, and they're, and they're

a little, a theory of the reality, that, but, that's, he, that's,

that's, I've been that's, that's, that's, that's, it's, how it's,

we, let's, let's say, repeat, see, every plan, no, so there

can be a theory of that there's a lot of there's, I'm a strange,

is the, precisely the voyage astral. We've seen the scenes of separation

of the body of the life and this, that also, that's a element,

that's a good, that even they're in these, like, when does those

these, like, there's, not all, but certain, as, how could

say, like signals of Dr. Strange that are based on geometries

sacred. For example, when create the portals, use mudras, which is this mudra

of the power, if it has been of the knowledge from the India,

millions of years after. This mudra is to canal power. The

turn to the direction is like a turn to the creation. For

so when create the portals, does this. The people that has a... Yeah, you create a portal here. The people that

the people that study metaphysica or questions magicas know that to open portals is to do. To start portals, it's to the right. To be to create, to the left is to start. Because are the dead

of power. The mudras, also use Scarlet Witch and other characters of those which we're going to about the positions of the hands that use a Doctor Strange for we'll say to do these attacks and all, there are certain that are reales,

others are more aesthetics for that they're more beautiful in the movies, but are based on positions that are in positions that are to channeling energy or certain intentions

called mudras. But here also they can be reflected in the religion, that are when, I don't see have seen that the

the new, God, always is a so, or if they see in a image

of Christ is a way, or is the man so. They're mudras

of power, mudas of protection. They're like canalsations energetical that

have a much history previous. This comes from

cultures of the Hindus, no, that they're much much

antiqued and, as as, as we know, we we're

we're we the So that's the point of the two of the and the eye of the

way. To do we the way there for that when they are in oh-o-

or they say that someone but but, but, how it is,

that's very based into what what that what applies Dr. Strange,

how how, how how apply this of the realities, how

apply this of the the, the, the, the, the, and the,

and the portals. It's really the attention because obviously the people

who created these people who had to have to take a basis precisely

to know to know to make these these marvellous characters that we're really.

A question. A doctor of Dr. St. you have seen a thing about.

If you have seen something. If you have seen some but I know the

relationship more like so geometry I know I was

more related with geometry sagrada. The geometry sagrada in

si can do do a kind of kind of kind of because obviously

all all do all from the point one and conforme

one two, three, four points so it is some

some ramifications no I think that also the

art there are so are so are so

in all the geometry sacred exists in so

so so there in Dr. Strange obviously they

they are impact ant in those comics, in the movies,

and the things, but they're a base that we know about the geometry sacred,

that is the spiritual or metaphysical, as they're saying, and if Dr.

Strange is managing the geometry sagrata and these questions of the portals and

what is what is what is what is what is the person is a personage

not so based in the reality because no there's Scarlet

Witch, but what is the magic of chaos, what is the

Scarlet Witch. The magic of the chaos is one of the magic most poweros of all.

The magic of chaos is a magic that is a cause for create chaos because it's the

magic of chaos will be destruction. No. The magic of chaos is called so because

no has form, no has processes, no has rituals, no has nothing.

It's conform to the vibration or viscerality of the person that intends to use this type of magic.

It's supposed that's a magic that transcends to certain states of conscience. You have to

be in those states mental, as it is very very very fertes to be

to be the magic. If you you've seen the series of Scarlet Witch that

is called with what is with vision? Yes, Juan BandaVision I think

is a lot. It's a lot. It's a idea of what is a understanding to the reality of what is the magic

of the chaos. There's there's a contraire, no, that's the you know, you know,

you know, because you're trying to manage the magic of chaos, but you don't

you can do you know the people that don't have a magic or denate

that uses the magic of the cause the risk of corromper mentally with

her. For so the the Brucho, he said, Oye, take care, because you know

you're doing the thing you're doing the and the other, doing the magic,

no, of the cause, and the making the way in that she was the

idea and she was that the idea, so the magic of the cause is

a really very, very great, that when you're you can

do you do you do basically to make the reality, that's

what did that did the series, modificable the reality of

the environment and is very related with what he has the magic of the chaos and precisely

the movie of Doctor Strange the ultimate of madness there was about how Wanda was corruptia

with the power of the magic of the chaos that is one of the one of the things

that you when you want when you want to use that you a special

of magic that not a lot that not all the world we can let's

let's let that of the people that have been going to access to the magic of the cause

about the king Salomon it's about here in Mexico in Mama Pachita for example that is

a that's a woman because Mama Pachita no had a formation esoterica like. It was

like a person who learned to control their abilities spiritual and manifestable

and manifest things operas over people. Jesus Christ also also

the expositor of the magia of the cause vying from from a

perspective metaphysical we're not we don't we're not we're

not but yes Christ the king Salomon so

that is the magic of chaos is like a

a power that if you enter in the

status in the conditions can do not there no

has like a simply is something is something that you can manifester

by the your essence your spirit, and conviction. But it has a risk. What is the corruption

to the what you refer is? Well, it depends the system of psychological,

how is it's a social, the system sentimental, emotional. Of course, the

advantage of the magic of the chaos is that when you start to

do this to get to those states of conscience, you have to cross-as

something that you're to do more than the reality, of your maldado,

your sentiments. The people that enter in those status of the person,

you know, it's a person human, you know, they they're

the things human, nor the sex, nor the bad, what the bad you

did you do you, and you know, you know, you're a kind of you,

you, you're not, you're, and it things, things, all the

it's through the case. There's a there's a there. And you know, we're going to

let's know. In question of the magic of chaos, there's a day of day of day of today, no,

a person historical, that dominion? No, no, they're not, the people, or the

people of the people, the people, not is someone that going to be to be saying,

so- there are some societies secretes that manage the magic of the

chaos. here, there's people there's people there's called the tannatteros who are like

or Tanatos Yes, of Tanatos and eros and eros the of the love

of the love I think of the love I think is the love is the of Aphrodita no

I remember so I'm so this people do like sectas that that manage

this type of magic there there are there various exponents as

you say, Hermes Chimegisto also was in the expositores of this

type of magic, but you're talking about the antiqued. In the actuality, there's no

there's more than there's more than I did I think of the podcast of that's

about the magic chaos. Yes, I think yeah, it has something

of the magic of the cause, but the really, I don't know

exactly what is your profile in about the magic of the cause or

that consider she of the magic of the chaos. It's also more interesting to see their postura

but it's that's magic that's like a order of a ritualistic or reglass for that's

because it's cause because it's cause not because generate chaos and the actually I think in

the Witcher this series of Netflix the company of the protagonist

I think manage the magic of carous correct but all right all

what what you mean very the profile of her I'm in a family

nocturna if exactly we're talking about of that or it's explain

in the series that's some other type of magic. To

do you for the I'm what I think that for that they

do that you have certain some know that

you use you use your subconscious to use

you use to you have to have you

have the things the things all to to

help manipulate those energies to the people that regularly

get used to use with, let's to say it, efficacy, that's

kind of to have to know the other, of the sciences, biology,

of all, no, cosmos, astrology, astronomy, so it has to have to have in

the language of where identify all the concept. It's of a

magic that not a kind of that a person to any

to dominate the 100% What's what the local, let's we're going to

the characters in those Scarlet Witch, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange, they're they're doing

two types different different and totally of Scarlet Witch and the how's called Dr.

Strange also have a symbology very curiouses of the color of

the magic, because Scarlet Witch is the magic roja so,

well, so, so it's so it's so it's so it's

is related with the chakra of the Chakra, the seventh chakra, the second chakra, no, the

we have in the part of the genitales, and it's the color, and I think the of Dr. Strange is

related to the Plexo solar, which is the where it has the eye of Agamoto.

So, so, for that, for that be it. The eye, in the

real, no, no, exist, there are there, um, but no.

I mean, there's a legend there's a life real of the loggamot that you

know. No, because you know, because it's a kind of the how

it's really, not of control the time to the time to go and so that I'm

that you know. Yeah, yeah. If you know, cultivate me, help in this poor ignorant.

This poor Bruch ignorant. For favor, please. Okay, okay.

And in Constantine, what has seen him? In Constantin, what what you know,

is a person very very of the fandom of Disi Comics and the people who are

the because it's an anti-hero, right? No, no. It's all the contrary, to be egoist and so,

like, to the people like, like, it's like, that's that's egoist and mal-humored

and grosser and other. It's not of my characters favorite. Um, the

person, I think it's recent, the Constantine, not is so an ancient, as I think I think I'm more than 40 years

I think no I think it's like the 90 and a lot of there's about correct me in comments, but well

it's based in the physical of a song, know, how it's based on Sting? Exactly.

And this this John Konstantin well, he says, now so, from a

Jesgo Judeo-Christian because it's a God Catholic and of the and the

world and all this type of universe let's say that has to have to be with the

Catholicism precisely of this on the like the exorcisms that God

is in the sky and the newves and the angels be they

and all this is what it is what embark John Constantine

no but basically much, ffgette, of your movie, that is the most

known, I'm doing I'm investigating and it's based on text of epocryphos

of the Bible, for example, is the Maria Magdalene, the Evangelio

of the Apocelipsis of Peter, the evangelio of Judas also, that are from a

perspective very different of the things biblical or that those discardeded

obviously of the scriptures canon of the Bible, because, uh, you're going to

completely, uh, how you're going to the reality, how you're going to be the reality, um, they're going to crucifixingar. Oops.

Ups. Autogol. This, so, uh, these texts, apocryphs those are the history of John

Constantine, no? That, we've been to talk to these rituals, the rituals

the rituales the things that's the realist and all this is very based in the realist

in Latin in the in the ritual Roman of exorcism also also is very based

with what is John Constantine but obviously well yeah in DC Comics

then it's a other spheras where then you

see a a the man and the demon is trying

to John Constantin because what what represents this

is supposedly, is a a person that is a kind of a person sensible, that is what we did we're in

day, that is a person with dones, that was he was, he was, psychologically

that I think, passen in cases of all the people that we know to the little,

or the tia that be things, or the thing of the spiritus, but this

personage he was the mano, he was the monsters, all this, and this

he affected to that it was a fumar, no, this typical of that fuma and that did

cancer and that's because precisely, like, he was like, he's not kind of kind of

kind of so, so, and then it has to be, well, the, the tematica

is of these creencies, no, that if she's he's that's

so- he's- kind of to in the Ljon- Constan precisely

there, much, there's a, Catholic, no, of what is a peccado and what is a lot of the angels, this, is

that's so. No, basically, I think John Constantine go to the man with the Catholicism and the Christianism. It's basically that's, and it's

very chisdoso because the, how do you describe to Los Angeles, no, of the series androgyns, and the representations

biblicales, well, they're all, they're more fieles? You, of those, I'm the,

of this series, anime, Evangelion. Evangelion is the most accerted or in a sense of physical. Exactly. I mean,

more cercano, obviously there's much invention. But Los Angeles are more similar to the concept of Evangelion than the concept

classical that we're with the people are the wuerites and we're not. So, I see more all the way of Evangelion.

Interesting. Fistante, Fagate that when I saw, I think that I think all those

who are that you know, that's when they're in a quarter and, like,

with a certain force pegs his and in the part, no see posterior,

the anterior, I don't remember, that those and his arms, has been a symbol

marked and when it he gets, it something, something, it's

to be a angel that was that was that trying, that's

that symbol or what? and I'm with that's a symbol hermetic so,

like I feel that Constantine are in the world there's people who think in

that they're in that they're using and they are using them to do you know,

I'm saying obviously is based much in the texts apocryph as I but at

the same time in the religion then you mix class, other

things, the esoterism, the astrology, the budu of these characters that you

mentioned you at the idea, I think that's a way in a kind of

kind of of all this, how to use things esotericas and

also to counterrested to the mal or the demons,

no, that in this case, is what they in the thing in the

thing, in the the real also there's many sacerdotes

that have many people have done to be to be able to say that the people with the

people who those people who so that's so that's so I'm to the so I'm

obviously I don't because they're not because they're obviously for obviously

for obviously to know to know how is the light you have to know

the light you know so I think in the case of John Constantine

then implement various symbolologies hermetics, various symbolologies esoteric and adaptations that, obviously, they've taken to the reality

to put them into a comic, no? And, so really, a movie, because, one of ingenue

when you're when you're a young, or what you say, you think, to a, a, a,

a, he's, not more, no? So, simply, simply, simply,

so, they're, simply, But there's a transfondo very strong behind after the character

this, I was going that the writer of Constantine, I don't I remember the name of the

person. I don't recall if it's the same of Watchman, but... If it's the same thing. It's the

same. I have a character of a little of him. But there, for example, in the

character of Constantine, according this, there's the how you say, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the the the creator of the person who's the creator of

the person before that's that's because Constantine pertains to a saga that's

called, no see of the infirno like that so it's like constantin

not they got a storyette individual but like it was part of a

saga of so that so that this this writer

before the novel he knew supposedly in the life

real to a person that was like supposedly that

that even that's the person. So, there's the legend there in

no-se what's and so this writer and other other other

other other other other that's the kind of that's

that person and that another other that's a person that's a word that's

that's a word. That's I've heard that in the theory conspirative, that Alan

Moore. I don't see if he was in a group of a group of occultism and he

he had a graded a high that I'm I'm and with this I don't know if

is true because he was that he was like a he was a man

and he in that in that concept or he he was so he was

so he before I didn't I think he did you have the

impression that you know because yeah obviously I mean I

think I I think the same person to do the situations that

are the not are the things like of... Yeah, of... ...to

have to have a base real. It's that is very

impression that. I consider that I know that I've known people

very in the day-a-day and that the things that formulabab

really really was a liquidora of the things that had

more the imagination and that they were they

to do know that in the cinema, in movies, in the television,

well, now, now, all in this series, they're in this

creativity, no. They're being plasmando things that in the day

to use and more in all these ramas of

but they're they're they're very very so, it's

because there there from the fact that's many decades to be generating an acceptation

in the people and when it's getting it's I'm making that you're there's a day of today

there is a fact that you about it and it's and I'm a fanatical of that series but

never I've never put to that and it's the series that's

the series that the series of the grimoros actually blacklover the trebol

Negro. Grand series. I like much. If you if they like the anime is a great series, but absolutely is that. All right. It's all around the rimoros, the types of magic and the pacts demoniacos. In my opinion, no any of the sexist-gutist.

More well, it's a cargated to occultism. And all about of symbologies, of the alchemia. Much of questions alchemics. So, I result a lotcura, because conform we went to talk about times in the podcast, me

I've got one and other to the series of Black Glover and he's that's what I'm

in here that's what I'm in this and they're in a caricatura is very

rare well the those conspirators of like to

adaptating to not is what is the this methodology this methodology

this methodology I've been here came here with the government actual and the education.

And then one person has been a lot of and me say, no, no, no,

this podcast not is not this podcast, it's not to make us in situations that are there,

that's supposed that no exist. And to start to indigate a little

from this, I don't see, this, this, this, this, this ganae

and the time's to get more, the podcast, no is to have any party

political, religious or, no, no, it's not of good

and the bad is, it's it's that not the thing

not, because it's there one and every repeated

in different things. There there a symbol that

me has really because there because not because

they mean, it all the same the symbol of

the rio. The symbol of the sign no

no relevance. Until that I'm top a little

with a cult that's you know, I'm you know, it's the cult

the cult the I think is Merkurian oh disculper me the name

I'm to be to be to be to be to be so we're in the

video, but it's a cult very problematic of those luciferin

that were very very very much, much, so much,

so. So, were those people that at level social, not for their

actions, the people those repudied much. And they're a subculte in the that they're

they're they're to do that they're to do you a form velded. And so

symbol was directly the rayo. And then the rio, they were the

part of the scripture biblical in that that was that the satan has fell

of the skyed as they're they're they're they they're

to comment that there are many groups that take that symbol because of the form

as an open up not means a form occulta is a form of different to and I'm

that's very strange. And then they're well, we'll be about the conspirators

like the Illuminate. You've seen the artists and the actors, and then it's a

great of people that they have been a lot of people who they've put to

think in that and at the long of a lot of not a new new

that's and it's a very a strange as some

symbols in some of these logias cults creencies that they

start to get more more of the culture pop

that from from my perspective no they have

nothing a state that you say is that

is that is incredible they should be put

there with this necessity to make that's interesting. Who is interesting? Who,

who is, to be clear, that if someone is doing it and they put there, because it has some interest in

that they know, that's a form superficial. It's good or not I don't have a minor

idea, and it's a certain way, it's not more, that's, what,

so, what, so, that's the people, to show, to different people,

to different people, without the significate that could be used that's

the thing that's that's the moment in the moment in the that's the same

the impact is minimal because you've seen, you've seen all the whole of the

you've been you know, you think that these are more conspiratives than reales or

they're really to be really. I think they're to be to be

to the reality to so this of the symbolologies for example

with the elite of the the and you'll start with with the theories conspiranoical but,

but for example I'm very I'm very fan of Gaga, of Lady Gaga me more a much of that's obsessive

fan and I remember much that in his first always was like with the hand

taped so the eye, always he tap a eye, and then he'd

a new and then there was a thing there was there always there was I'm in this

time, no, but then I'm then I'm I'm I'm not counting out of

many photographs historical of various artists of people have in that the same

situation, that's they're in the cult of the eye, the lot of

the masonry and the masoneria and all this, so, simply

the billet of the dollar, so, it has, it, then,

then you, so, the money most important of the world, you have

symbolologies in their paper, because they're putting on,

so, there has there there have things, no,

I don't say I'm saying that's a favor or in contra of these manures of society that could be

doing to be doing us, but there's there's, there's there's, the people not going to

say that is because it's very, very soberbby to be to say, it's this no,

but I'm there, but I'm going, for example, now that when it came out of Avengers,

no, I'm I'm a when it was the Avengers, when it was the

when it was that started to start after many movies like in multiversos

and not just about the Marvel, I mean, various movies that started with that thematic

of the multiversos. This, for example, this of all in all the time, Oscar

won't and all the thing, so you know, then you're to be like you're looking

when the life's seen that when the times of Omnis in Congresses official

of government that's a government, there's a many men very raros, that you have done in,

in the U.S. Abordando it very burdoment. So, so, many people put to be to be able to

like the um, and things so, but you are they are doing in courts

or in congresses or in congresses of government. So, who knows maybe,

more a lot of if we go to see to be something is part

of those systems like adapt to adapt, no? Simply Hollywood.

So, so Hollywood All the life we know with with

movies know, of the when they were to be there only going to go to New York or Washington

and they were to save the day, so you creases with that ideology and when for example

if there there's what what is the first you think, what you think you say they're

they're they're what's how it's against the who thinks it's that the United

not say, we're doing some species, like, inductions to conceptes to all the

means that not they're so it's very interesting. That's a good way to plan it. So,

the venta, here me had done that you do not you know, you know, when you're

exposed to material, you're you're learning. And when you're when you're not conscientient

or inconscientemently, there There are things that if are not when you're going to get to

get to your system, then when are icons of power, when are icons of

correct, when are what they do it and they are in conscientient I,

I mean, and I want to this, that I'm talking to take with

pinces, I think is that's so because because

you know you're the question. The reality is that

never was that those those sizgo always have

been there. But when systematically is doing a thing that your

criteria go to a certain line, I think that's a level of

manipulation natural. Because a level natural there in your

family, in your education and all, but we're so

that are things that are that's that not there

probably a one that you want to to point

a point B. there there intentions and there ideas

yeah, and things so, but are so many the things that's not the plan, for so

to say it, and normally it's a relation to that's a social but you when they're

this type of things, it seems that's that's the intention is another, no?

Like in this case, great example, the person, and think in someone

specifically and say, and that's disituing the power to give the situation and that

in what things of day to do a day not occur. at the

figures of of power to form inconsient this point that I'm that

questions of brusiness that are practically some not all in that the

otorgament of a power to a and that that is what

amplific that that is not a correct so yeah

yeah so yeah so I think we we can we

consume, I mean, a product of the US, how is a movie,

music, or not, because they have their own their own their different

their nations. I think in Russia also doesn't much content

like of American no. Because they know that these ways

of Hollywood, etc. can be manageos of well, yeah,

of the conscience no, the ideals of the this,

all, no, all, all the internet, to all the internet, there's their

people, they're in the subcontinence, it's a chorro of people, no? So, it's a

world completely different and they're different to what we have got to the North Koreans,

they're, what I'm know, I know, I, I'm sorry, but for example, to them,

to the president, they're they're, they're a super- basketballist, that is a supergeny, that is a supergeny,

or so his sub-president is the top of the top and he is like the top, so, just to be as how a lot of how a lot of

how a reason why, so I'm going to say the dominions like, like, of the contented, so, so for that's

to have to be what we consume us, well, or at least, I mean, obviously, obviously,

we're doing, obviously, we're doing, all, in the music, those that the music, the types of

music, the football, the movies, there's a manoeho of mass for every the question.

Obviously, you have to live in the integration of the plan, no, no,

you know, but if is being that's something, that is something that's something,

there's that's that's for the family nocturn say me,

if about theories conspiratives, because I've seen that this theme to pick, and it's a bit of to know, know, so,

you do not? Yes, sure, I'm really, when I'm going to invite, here I'm, so,

then you're in comments, so, episode of theories conspirativeness with Nina Martins, but,

in all the thematic that we're doing the day of today to the day of these characters and right

we're just we've we've been a little we're we're just to boarder, I'm going to

to do the other thing before the time before I'm and it's for the situation that I'm that I'm

that I'm this manheal of normalizations and manipulations have all the life, there are many of

patriots that today of today's that you know, that's a theory conspiratorial.

You know, it's a matter that he passed to that issue. But for what's used

that resource? To generate patriotism, to generate a vincal emotional with a purpose.

That's the purpose, we're going to say, we're able to need to them to have apego

to defend a place or defend their or what you want. Talb it's a other purpose.

Much historians that know, you're going to say, no, you know you know

you know you know, but understand that the point is, that is a technique

that has probably probably that the person has that the human, that is the

to be able to a idea of a certain way, with a purpose specific, normalize

the things, and if I repeat a much, I'll get a moment in that's part of

your modus and you don't you know, if you do that's because it's

not necessarily is a really really, it's a fact, it would be even beneficial for

all, and it's the form of it's the form of the thing, the instrument

of this form, only for that the criteria is important. I think that is

much of the comprehension of how the human how the

people functioned in basis to the community we're that's a

machine, then obviously they're to be there to make that

that that can be a enemy in common a mal in

common that that makes that that people unen and

work and they there is where they're there have

to be just of, I mean, I go, I'm going to go, I'm going to

a lot of music or, etc. Or me a lot artist, or the pezo pluma or

those things that, well, I know, I don't, I don't know, this, what it

so, consume, it, in the sense of not casers with a concept.

I think the fact of being a little of the I'm just to be able to do you do that you're

doing it. But not do you do this is a completely seagued and let me move there.

I think when I think there's a very that you're disposed to all to something

or something that you even even you're in your radar revisa that there's

there's a moment in that I was a in a incha of football and when

was a inch of football was I I've I've lived

those moments for the game or for the things like are the things that

are the things that can't you're the time you're doing you're that's

for something they're for something exist but but if it's

maybe revisal because not necessarily is something it's something or maybe at

maybe a level that any sense has for you and

you're there's there but you're a thing with those

things with those you're we're we psychology, very, very, very profound. Govons to A lot of chisement with that.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, see. A bit, characters of this, of this culture pop, that well, Lady Gaga, actually, it would be

a character of pop? Yes, definitely. You know, there's a figure that he I've seen many times,

and no, I've repaired that appeared in one of the sagas of the movies favorite,

that was the Pirates of the Caribbean. Okay. the figure of this, of the Fwente of the Eternia when it was a

when it was made, wow. And then it's that, that's, that's, but I don't see if it's the same concept. In Harry Potter, this, Piedra Philosophal,

that, in a certain way, they're doing the time of life and have, and to be a life, is a life

eternal. One is very alchymica. The other is like in an kind of, I don't

see, if it's really, but they're still being these figures of the

necessity of the life, and that in the history of the world

have been there continually really really back of these

two things. So, when I was thinking in

this episode, I the The The A The Fenterna Juventus is

certain of the It's part of the history of the humanity That's impression I've heard I've heard there's people people of

people who had done expeditions for the buskid of something like I think even those the Germans I think

they did they did some expeditions for that Napoleon or the people like the

like like the life eternal who knows for what's but

but but it's an element very interesting no that the most

is very the way of that's the thing to the future of the life of the

life of the thing, it's a long of the longheavity and the 20 years, 100, and with sal health,

that it's like for the water that they're or the zone geographical where they're,

I think I think I'm understood that they're more, but but it is a

figure that gives a thing, the fact of the future of the eternal and

the life eternal, like the Peter Philosophal of Harry Potter not is

of Harry Potter Ninios Centennials or millennial or so it exists. It's of Nicholas Flamele.

Uh-huh is of Nicholas Flamele Nicolace Flamele also they're in Harry Potter

but if it is it is a alchymic that was a piece philosophical

that the Pyotrophicol literally literally not necessarily a concept of element but

that in the alchymia not we we're talking of the transformation spiritual. It's supposed

that the Piedra Philosophal is a concept of a transformation spiritual. That's the alchemia, that is

already a time like a magic of a question and things like the pharmacy, the pharmacetic,

the chemica. So are, are these precursors, no, of all these sciences that in the day

or the day we those we use but, but for example, the Piedra Philosophal,

that also is an element of the culture popular well,

exist in the history, right, at the first, that's not so,

but it's in the history and in registries, no? So, the registries of alchymia,

then something, something, something, something to be to be a beautiful, to be a very,

to be, to be, in a moment, of the moment, of the person, there's a

person who I think it I'm in the issue of this episode, and

I'm to see we'll do we can't a great controversy with circles

of creencers in their moment and that a great people say that's that's

just yeah just that just just that Harry Potter and all this universe

of magic in my case I was fanatic absolute I was I know

many years many years after what you what's what I Case Aire I

I always said that's that it's between Gryff and I think it was Hoppelpoff

yeah yeah yeah yeah but in different those steps in different

I mean I'm in some I'm definitely definitely is Littenden yeah you know

I think Rivenclough is in serious but they're Rivenclough because are those

are those that have more affinities more artisicicic so are what

I'm think artistics aesthetics and I think I think I think I

Ah, that's Oh, that's the book me is the movie is about the Cosmology and the Harry Potter,

but what I think I'm so, I'm gonna hoppeloff were the nerds? No, I remember

that, oh, no, is that Hopelpoff no, like no, it's not figure, it's not

there's a right, no, it's true, so it is true, but I know I'm,

like, I'm, like I'm like I different Griffin, and Reimclop. You,

you know, I'm very dittering. A p'O. Yeah, No. Who knows? No, I'm going to admit to

not even public. No, I'm going to admit to any of the public. Oh, Harry Potter generated a

chorro of controversy, especially with the question Christiana, but impressive. Yes, I,

I remember a of this, that I'm to make sure a ridiculous. I mean, I saw, I know this

many years after that I've been initiated. I, I, I mean, me was

much the other places that were used from the aroma, the environment,

the sensation I'm I'm a day of the day of it. I'm much time.

I think one of the first times that's one of the other those

and I went to not even for titles me by and I go to

those books very very vivos in that moment and of a and of a type

above what was a griffo and the griff and the griffo

this abe a mythic then I did that's a interesting. And it's a price

a summently accessible in this time that I don't have any one so I'm going to you know, I'm preest it

and I'm preest it and say every person every person every person and then I get enamored I'm going to

Harry Potter in his book number three that is the prisoner of Ascaban I'm

I'm I'm I'm probably I'm because they those they're all used

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At the day of today, I'm a me dejo, I don't, no, I don't terminate it. Here, these questions for Mina Martins, to see if she,

us we can instruct. First, for what you say is, if you know the saga of Harry Potter.

You know? Yeah, so much more more than. No, I'm really much. Of books or the books?

I like the other than those movies. The world, the fact, I know the first, I know that

I mean, the first, yeah, like, I'm going to see the movies. No, okay.

You notice something, you that you, that you, that does, that you, a little

of, the magic, occultism, and all these artes. You notas

something of reality plasmoded there? There are many in the chisisos words

that come from the language, like, Latin, more than the chisisos that I

have seen in the saga or that I remember to have read I think

there are in a language, that has got to the

etimology of what is convocating with the but

if we we we concept that that is know

actually of Harry Potter, well I think is too very influenced for the

concept that we have of the girl of the scov, and that's the

sombrerito and that so I'm so, well, no, I'm know,

I'm not sure, I'm know, I'm got these these magicos

that exist in this universe, the how are they're epigraphos and that

the, the, the the serpent gigante, all of all this, all

that all that all of all But really, I don't I see a connotation

so very obscure. Well, that I know I interpret as malignant as well as the church

the church not, but the only that the church was it moved much of that a

a new that's a little was a person, they're like, they're they're

so much so I'm I'm, well, I'm at least in that's when he's got like,

like, like you like, all this bond of bruce and echisos and magic but no, with a

transphondo has been so you, you have something like that's like like that. Fulgette that I was I was, I mean,

I'm, I'm think of the thinking of the person who's more credent to have a criteria formed. I feltia

that all Harry Potter were to say, some words that that were that that were

never never to never had never to never had to be prepare symbolologies specific

of what to move if you don't you never in a book because I think

that I think graphically in the movie that would be a symbolology that they had a

trosondon that was for a ritual I think was a one of the excuse

of magic and psychology not the psychology of Harry Potter of his

father of with the kids and all those circumstances I'm more

for that exactly exactly the having seen to the tios,

how it and that's it's a empathic to get a kind of a same time to have this

situations social. I, I'm I'm and at final, I'm

impact it much more more, but there in the name of the Viento of

a lot of things and you're talking to all this but there's totally occulted

and here it's no, it it's that it's not just I'm just

I'm I'm I'm I'm the thing I'm the

use of a barit and then so he's the movement of the barita and it appeared a light.

Yeah, I think that Harry Potter is like the version very innocent of the world of the book, what

you say the concept of the broh, that's the scov, that's a smearito and the

classic. Oh, very classic, no? It's made more, more, more,

more than the movie this of the craft, I think it's that's a way. It's a

so, that's so that's so there's there's magic, of the really

Wicca and all the other there's there's there's there's there's

there's a real work that's in a situation of virugheria and that's a

little like it's a little classic but that has a trofond that is

a dark so from this entity that said that were like it

was a more than that God that God and God and the

were a they were they're they're playing they they're

this type of concepts. So, I'm very denses like for

adolescents that they're going to be gothic gothic. So, a me it's more more than

the craft than this movie of Harry Potter, no? 100%. I think the craft

not they put it the emphasis that they because since the view me I'm

had a feeling very very obscure. And, and if it's much in this

connotation like destructive of an impoverment mal-givated, of a vision

a human supermente egoist no, of the things. There's other series that I mean

it generated a lot and I feel that in the version actualized, because it was a series of

the 90 and they they're and the version actualized I think they're

getting caradis of elements reales and in this systematization of

accept to adaptate to to Cauts and I

don't not so because I really much manipulation

of that the series of Sabrina Ah, if it was too, this series, yeah, for a year, Luce, you're in so sure?

This series of Sabrina, that's yeah, even Lillit, managed this, this cult to Lillit, the cult of Eccate, the cult of Satanas, that at the final

they were, like a question cosmic, like, it was a lot of that she was about her to be

the devil, to the 16 years, and all the whole whole attacked, and then then it's, like,

it's, like, it's, like, it's, because, you know, the devil is a question

cosmic and they're in a concept more cosmical, no, yeah, yeah, they're other,

you're about about the terrors cosmic, no, and then after the last time,

it was more like these things of the space, and so, that's, so, yeah,

and at the final, they're more so, like, yeah, there's, there,

there was, there, there was a, there, there was a daughter, was a child,

was a, she had been a woman, and then he and started to be a cult of Eccate,

that's another figure there is a real, so that's based on real is a goddess Greek, that they're

not necessarily that's not necessarily that. But, well, there's how they were managing the

that's reina that's reina of the thing, but yeah no, with the connotation.

The first time is me makes the most of the Sabrina. Like, like,

I'm, oh, we're we're we're we're because it's

too, how is a, a obscurity very discarada. Yeah,

the second like you get a more, he was, they're a little little

two rations and they're like, but the actual, like you do you do you

include these concepts, you know, things that are reflected in the society,

millions, and people, that are in TikTok that are people, that are

people, and that put a an o' an hao and that you do you do you

you're you're doing a a lot a no-se-k-k-heen. Ah.

So, of what you do what you do you know, of what you know, yeah,

of the figure, and this I mean, the people that me listen,

that you know, not I don't, not I'm not I'm but the figure of Vapomet

to me me has really much the attention like they're hyper-commercial

to at the putuches monitos chikito transform it in things that

are very accessible for kids. Exactly. And that's, I result strange.

I'll say, the elements esthetical for me don't. I mean, does match.

Me makes much, a ideology that's a idea that , you know, acceptation, not

you know, I'd agararious other elements so I'm not a fines commerciales,

me suen to find to findes conceptuales religious. Does that that's a sense?

Yes, I'm a really really a analysis, what you were saying, I'm

had done, because the monjita of my book, I had been a bit of a

little bit of a car phonyed me would be enchanted but are things

that I do, in my time, a peluch a petuette a

I mean, I'm saying I'm so I'm not so I'm I'm referring to my my niece I'm a

yeah, I'm sorry, I'm so it's um how it's not they're not so

they're so these pins of Bafomed or things of the cross-invertida that that's been

normalized to get to to a certain point, not not all the sectors but as you say

you've been you've been managed like a way very cute very kawai, like that

form part of the culture popular, that we're about the theories conspiratories, of how, you're going

introducing concepts. Yeah. That's, I see, there's a, I think, a good rato, a controversy

very much because, although the Virgin of Guadalupe, well, it has a concept of this story of that

is Mexican, if I don't remember, the rights those are, no, so the day of today,

but in a time, they were, they were, they were, they were in a time, they'd have a business

So this company. Of the image. So this company China, that's 100% not for no is for no idea.

It's 100% with fines commercial. They're going to develop a lot of products related to the

Virgin of Guadalupe in monitos, in, no, posters, milcos and lapaces,

millions, and millions of things. I think they're those who moved a virginita that said,

a virginicicatoria so. Ah, like a virgin caricaturized. Yes. And I, I think I

I think the idea that all the idea that it was to the country, to make a

country, 100% fiends commerciales, no were a idea, it was a

we, we're in a sector, so, you see when it the one of

a because it's not the Chinese are not the Chinese are so

so they're so, so you're so, exactly. And it's what I'm, no,

no, is not so the thing, says, you, you,

says, for But it's a company. And in this other is a I don't know the

end of lucro like the final. Notto the normalization of the images as the end up

who are who are people? Not in a sense to judge what is the bad they're

what is the final of this? I mean I'm panique much when I said

I'm on the social they're checking all the time. The

cell the cell the cell We know, I mean, I remember that this conversation

said, you know, it's a obvious, it's obvious that's obvious that's obvious, but it's obvious, but it's

a lot of, it's not, it's not obvious that they're there's not but my big doubt is for what?

At the day of today, is a reality, it's a normality, all we have accepted, nobody, he's got

with the things financials. Sure, for vendartes what your profile encage.

Ah, and they're they're empuging for more necessities of things and and then

it's like a mano commercial tell me you know but you know you know you know

you know you know in Mexico that's what I'm like a like a how says a company

a well as now well I have a of a repent of the

of the kind of so of this thing so I'm I'm I'm

I'm that there some moequitos of Mexico that's made in Mexico that's

they're Casimertitos. The Casimertitus. Have you ever heard of Have you. Tell me. For you. Well, Casimertitos

came to be like some littleits of colors, colors, and supposedly are the babies. But, oh, are the babies

in gestation. They're like fetos of babies. It's that they're to teach them to care to give them

to, or, like, like, like, procurals with a fine

anti-abort. So, so for so they They're called Casimaritos, of that

yeah is the baby list. So this this company of court

is Mexican but obviously with a profile completely provida is

is that this ideology not, of that the kids come in

these casem these and when those women and they're

they're they think for the abort if is that in

some they're that they're there there there's an

example of these ideologies by means I totally

totally of I agree that is like I think that all ideology

in certain years is manipulative. Because the person to that person to have a way to

form and to be able to form and what they consider it normal. Exactly. I think the

situation in that you enter in a conflict and say I'm if I am not

if I'm not, is when the people in the people in those that

could consider consider to consider to those his parents responsible of, they're too

is too that's conscious of that and he's in contra or in contra what they

consider it and they're not going to the force there. And I think that there's

where you are the conflictus to say, then where we're responsible of

what? Who is who? Who? And there there's all this conflict

that, well, no, not just the thing that just the thing that

I just , I mentioned, Minna, I'm a N. Mill, from the

type of food, the type of incorrect, or incorrect, preferences, where you want to

you're to do you, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, so. So, I think we

are we in a world of a world of influences that we know we're that's

and that's been used as well and the one of the episodes more

panoico to let me that it seems. It seems. And it's

exist. Of let's the point of the point of what you're about the figure

you're there's there's there's there's there's there's not there

not going to the regia no no no no no no

no from from from the episode one that comes to conch

of Niggis look there there there there there

there there other other people as the person

that I'm it's of Monterey a product of here in Monterey that's

a man that's a man lanceder that we have got a kind of that we

know what I'm what I'm so that so much this is a little less of

terror this is a doctor that fiftate that that that

that he lived here was a was a an assassin he

he was presumpt present was in the years in the

50 So, in the Colonia Talleyres, I had a consultor and apparently this doctor was like

like the preferences homosexuals, it was gay, no? And result that one of his amants,

well, he's, and when he, he, he, he'll do, he'll

make a car. The doeshive and it and it and it does give in

a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, a recipient, a

well, not so, not so, so So this doctor is a person with a precision that great and with an intelligence

so gazed that he, well, he was he was done concessing the crime because, if he was the one of him, a Hannibal Lecter. Wow. It was a person here in Monterey.

Exactly. That's tremendous. Of course, I think I'm understood. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And he was to consultory at the Colonia Talley. Yeah. Of course. But, So, if he passed

his time in the carcel where he was attending to the prisoners,

even there was a person who didn't service medical, and they and they

and the person of the personality of the personality that we see

in this novel of the dragon rojo that that's there

is that that personality like insistive of the the

character of this series saga of this personage, he he spoke that in a Mexico, he

he knew that the doctor and that the way of comforted of that he implemented in in Ani-Bel-Lex.

What tremendous, what tremendous is the, and to the long of my story,

has been the characters most iconical. Exactly. The culture popular, you know, you know,

you know, about, that's a fact that me entered in a little, that this

this She was a chick, with who was acting, not was Julia Robert, it was

Foster? Jody Foster. Jody Foster. Never could interactual with him during the recordings.

No, no, I could. So, the conversations that see, I'm, I

think I'm that it's one of two. Or not they were physically together

in that instant, or she never he never he did you the

mind. He said that he generated a absolute. It was after

many years after that she is like a and the day of today I think

were great people but during the video of the silence and he was interact with him

he was he destroyed the simply to be it well that's that person

is of that was that was he was he was originally of

Monterey that what interesting a interesting a man

a a a month a there there there there

there there there Reyes, the world. Pardon, I'm sorry, DeMonterey, Disculpe. My nature is the most

cancelable that has been this program since much time. Today, today the free has taken

your humor oscura a little. I'm in a mode, this, how it's a destructive,

Maga Caus. Exactly. You're to change the reality from your part visceral. Exactly.

Today, and today the mine destructive. The mine is a cancelable. I'm

and you're doing a great of a cancellation of cancellation oh yeah a

ever a little a movie a series or a movie that you have

seen you had been in a moment in the you know what you and that

yeah and that and that you that you're that you're

that there there there there I'm I'm I'm

toped in the cable of my old I was I'm

was I was I was top but the level of violence

was so grand that I'm going to see a problem. That film is a movie is

marthirst and is French. That's the 2009. I'm 20009. Yeah,

2000 9. Yeah, but I was, I don't remember. I don't know, I know, I

never, I'm in those, in those epochs that has a problem, is incredible. I recommend that this,

but the most infactant the most impactant of this movie was the dialogues final.

Because, because he was about a secta that was by the through the people

entablar a contact with him more there. So, it's supposed

that in this busk one of the protagonists spoilers, the

protagonist one of the one of the protagonists regress to the place

to the she she escape. Then, you know, they

they're a interna with a other person and he and he going to

say it's that you that's the time and it's the way to the marteries

and then massacre and all the final resulto that was part of a secta

that was with the level spiritual for that that kind of

was like a medium and and they did that there

was that there was the if she's a martyr, that is the

only of the the saga of people that were that they're to get to get to

that do you do that are those my moment Lolita yeah has

I'm so, then you find this person that she can get

to the person to the head of the secta well

I've I've this that the movie and the last when the

the head was the He does the dialogue more sad to the no way, and there's a

and there's a little a movie. It's a very good. In all the sense. It's a

really, it's a movie Gore, but in extreme. If not those, it's not,

I'm, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but if you do you do it,

but I'm, no, no, I remember that I remember that I mean partes, I

That's like, it's my style. The GOR, not is the my but it's

very interesting for the visceral of the situations and at the principle I don't think if

was being something of a court or of a corte or of that

is very interesting. It's very interesting the film but it's very much.

That's of the movie that's of that interesting and I think

I do, I in the Christianism there a a grave

error of interpretation in turn to the martyrization. Not the symbol of the martyr. The symbol of the

martyr is, it's a person that for his creencies was desvivied. That is the

martyrs. So, not for his creences, but for his creencers, but for

his creencers, and defending there's the martyr. There are martyrs santo, there are not sands.

But are persons who in defense of their faith passed on another life.

Well, but the martyrization is the creencia of this

conversion of a love is a thing very long and that

a malinterpretation where they're with things of things and

that's and it has nothing to be that's very different. It's very

different. It's very different. It's, it's comes acetic that these

practices ascetic surger in many many marcos of the Christianism and that has to

even the day of today is very recommendable a practice acetic in the in the nutrition that they call in the in the inerminteminent. So the isle

the as a certain way comple the result of a practice acetic because simply the practice acetic is to get your your body

to the extreme for questions of control, of efficiency and that not so it's because in the

pleasures, we're going to put in many commies, because it depends of the different of the context, but

the person the person the control, the work the things for the same and put

a objective and get there, and are things things things, but you know,

when you know when you know, a alpinist that's that he a lot of that

a lot of that time, when you know, when you knowces a person dedicated to

to exercises, to levels professional, who are people that the level of decision to take

the time in other level. The impossible is talking of the conception is very different to

a person normal, for the effort physical. And the effort physical

does give a perception of the environment that that's that is that is that

combined with spirituality, but then it's more interpret it in the Christianism

where they're when they're these images very rare of the of the

this movie of Dem Brown that was the first that impacted much the code Da Vinci and that

and that's this image of the type of that's a self-destruing and that's a lamentable and that

in the history things of that were that were people who misinterpreted many things

because in questions religious when you when you talk you want to you mind

with situations tant tetricas horroses. Yes, faget that's what the

of the martyrs religiousos, well, no is that I'm in, I'm in a school of

monjas and I'm so I'm so, I mean, I'm not that my education or

that says that all the men, that's, I'm sure, that I took a little,

a lot of the men, I'm I'm sure that they and they're so,

and they're so they're in some you get to in a situation where you're in a

situation where that if you're in the God of you know, like you know, God is going to

you know, then it's like to say, because if no, I'm going to go to go to get by

yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm so, I'm so, I'm there's,

you know, you know, you have to you, you know, like, I'm, I'm,

that I'm to think I think I'm to think to say, what I'm what's what's, what's what is,

but, but, but, so, I'm, commenten, there about,

education Catholic like I like you, I said, and if you have done a little

right, but it's a lot of it's not. Fidate. It's that I know that I'm

very rare, for that I'm not. For that an boardage to the religion Catholic

from many in the my, I was in a school Catholic, but my family

was very critical, very critical, but very critical. So, they're more of

profundities theological, philosophic, and not of creencers dogmaticas, and that's impuces to and that's a time, but that's why?

And that's where it's and that's and that's and then that you're justifying the action. No, no, no.

No, nor, don't convince me, if we're, we're, all the sequences of logisms to see what

is congruent in what you do you're in the final that's the final those,

then they're that I I think that the majority of people around not the people of the

people who were that I'm talking about because they they were in and they said totally equivocal,

what I'm saying, no, I'm saying, and I'm going to say, I'm a

question to say, and I said, and that's where you're and it's and I'm in situations

in that normally when not they're not done at good to

be because I'm I'm going to many of the explanations that were they're

based on in criteria personal in things that they're that they was very normal and

this was in Mexico and people people people people many many

many schools and they're they're there were men

and monjitas and monjits that were very so much am

am so they're people and I say I think it's a

grand benition that I'm a very good a lot of very good very little that they're

not much, they're very little, and they're some people and some people, but they're very many

were very were the majority were the most four types for more than three, four,

four, million, so you just, you're you're a person of respect and normally

the people, and normally the people, so my image of the religiousos, to the two

my sisters, that said, no, is a spantosa the mona. I said, I don't

do you know, I'm not I'm living so. So, I'm not I'm talking to go

and see, yeah, you know, and with the past of the years, I do

a point that there many more experiences of people in schools with this type of

personalities that are people insuppable, the person of a heart zone, and the

calididid no was, and it was that the religion, more they used

like a type of a lot of a lot of a lot of and there many people or experiences

of people who say, well, I'm of this not quite I'm going to get to get to get back.

There's a heartache, a fastid and all, but I have caught that this in all

the religions. Ace little came a person to tell what he lived in the santae and the

centeros and the centeros and they're saying, is that you don't say I'm trying to talk

to one and I'm he said, I'm he's He's not telling that that's about

that's going to that's saying, I'm saying, but it's a ventilos because that's no more

that's not a person, well, he came to a story in the and this that I'm going

to tell you that's very very hard, but I'm going to say, that he was a vestia of

a sacrote, he'd roba boys and those aniclava and it and it many years, much people

would have rascaria the vestigures and would What's What's what you're You're the We're going?

He said the monster. He was a garabito And he He did so And he was a Cesarote He was a guy who

Entendienting that these Figures Nobody was He visited Visitable During a time

I think in the years 50 or 60 And there There were many Many of

So I'm To go is that It's a Fiction But there Many Many

Realities that Superan to The So We're no exists. We're not

about what no exists. Maybe this never happened. But the experiences of one,

although contradicens the dogmas of the faith of religions, if are experiences

veraces, veridical, things that were there are there. Exactly. There's

there. There, to be in a way we can't do it to attack a victim, no,

of the situation? What do you? That's, we're low, no? Because

that the schools Catholics, we were the people. No, no, no. No, no.

Well, I'm just here. Well, I'm saying. But we're saying, I mean, there's people, I mean, I mean, I'm, that still still with the same cycle, the same things, no? Still, no. Still.

But, I mean, we're very respectable. Sure, that's. I mean, but also, we're like, kind of locus, me dio-locos, maybe-locos, too. Uh-huh. Thanks.

Um, there's, there's, there's a lot. but these experiences, how is religious, but if they're a mark very important,

how live every one, from what, from what, is that the one, I'm going to, I'm not,

I can't talk about for you, but I'm not how the part spiritual religious has still has

still having a relevancy. Yeah, but I think yeah, I think, yeah,

it's, I think, the people, the people, most, the another chip very rare

now we're we're going to this now that's the way of the kind of skis skivit

toilet? Oh, it's impressive. Oh, for sure. I've seen the last. Yeah.

I've seen. It's just. It's still. Is it? Is it? Is it? No. No, no, no.

No. Go ahead. If you go, that's the original, that that's really good.

Very, very, very, very, very good, very, very very, very, very very good, so like you like this.

Yes, and, of course, I want to say to say this something that's very little

but for them to do this space and I'm going to explain. The people to me refer to

those who are the people are the things about the things like that what you do you

do you want to if not that I'm about so. For favor

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go to go to another another that that they're in this

we don't no it is that you know one has one has

one to say neutral no you don't you start to be a favor

or in contra of a situation in specific so like there is

he's that he think he in that that he can that he

want to God in the God Catholic in Ganesha the

of the destruction Kali that create what is the problem here

there no there is a this is a space of a platic of

a charla, to understand, no, here not, no, not going to get a kind of a

person, not much less. No, no, no, it's not to be influence,

we're all we know our points of views, as much, as all the people, that have been

very interesting, and that every try your support, no, to this podcast.

Totally. And that they're also, the censura that we put us

because here, you, you've seen in the videos, they omit. Well, no

see if you did you know but is that we're going to just let's delugation just that in a post-production it's not

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that word or that I'm I'm the decision is But is that this occurs.

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very of and it's very of that we're doing this in the media, to me

I'm would be a can't that you put a prudence but we're not

the chistosos or not the double moral I mean the all the

stuff to do all the all the but but censure in a word

no no no is correct. No not it's not

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Because it's like, it's like all these situations that we're going, it's, there's,

so, so that's that I'm going to going to make a time, I'm going,

the people, the people, that's that they get to that's, that's, but it's

a one one one one one one trincher, no.

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