Halford & Brough in the Morning - A Pettersson Trade Could Come Back To Haunt The Canucks

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

In hour three, Mike & Jason discus the likelihood of the Canucks trading Elias Pettersson, and if it could come back to haunt them (3:00), plus the boys tell us what they learned (27:00). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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This is some like Beverly Hills cop-ish type stuff. I love this. It's a good one. Look at what Axel Foley's up to. It's something crazy. Joining us now on the program, he is the rinkside reporter for the blues for the FanDuel Sports Network. Andy Strickland joins us now on the Haliford and Bref show on Sportsnet 650. Morning Andy, how are you?

Fellas, good morning to you. How are you? We're well. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I know we might be up against it for time here, because Montgomery is going to speak with the media real quick. So, we want to fast forward right to the big trade from Friday involving the Colorado Avalanche and the Chicago Blackhawks and the Carolina Hurricanes, Meiko Rantanen, Marty Natchez and everything.

And then, of course, there was a Vancouver Canucks tie in as well with a lot of people and reporters, Elliott Friedman included, thinking that at least Patterson might have been the guy going to Carolina. Andy, what were you able to unearth over the last 48 hours doing some digging over the weekend into this big deal? Well, obviously, you know, Carolina is a team that's hungry and, you know, you knew they would be in the mix, they'll still be in the mix. We'll see what they end up doing beyond now although most of the heavy lifting is obviously done. But, you know, the two targets

were obviously Vancouver and Colorado. When you look at the players available potentially with Vancouver and then with the Mika Ranton situation in Carolina, or excuse me, in Colorado. And Carolina wanted to hit a home run. They wanted to make a splash. They wanted to get some attention. And obviously they were able to do so.

Hey guys, listen, I gotta walk into this press conference. I apologize if it's an earlier start here tonight. So if you guys want to call me back, you can or I'll call you right back. Let me just get this done real quick and I'll call you guys right back. Give us a call back. Thanks Andy. We appreciate it. St. Louis Blues reporter Andy Strickland here on the Haliford and Bref show on Sportsnet 650. Officially surpassing the Moj for quickest hit in Haliford and Bref history when he did his one from the tarmac. I believe this one only lasted slightly longer.

We'll see if we can get Andy back, but one of the things that he did report over the weekend was that, I'm just going to read his tweet here, Miko Rantanen was completely caught off guard by the trade and was very upset. Colorado showed very little to no interest in attempting to resign him over the last several months. And then Andy concluded, this was a panic

move by Colorado. I would love to have a conversation with Andy about that because what's the panic? Where's the panic? Like it sounds to me like they made a decision that it was going to be impossible for them to What's the panic? Where's the panic? Like it sounds to me like they made a decision that it was going to be impossible to get Ranton in at the number they wanted him at. And that would be below Nathan McKinnon's cap hit.

And they proactively did something. Um. A panic move probably would have happened closer to the trade deadline. I've been off all day, so grant me that. This may be completely wrong, but I'm going to try anyway, I was going to press through. Okay.

My thinking would be. Halfway is going to be like the big story for me was the Chicago angle of this trade. Why are we not talking about Jack Drewry more? No, I would suggest that the panic or the impetus to do this now would be because Carolina was saying, we have another offer on the table right now. That's possible, yeah.

Good point, you know what? Good point. I'm back. You're back. Woo. You're back. Also Taylor Hall. No.

I think what happened was Tulski went and in a very savvy negotiating move, had two viable offers on the table. And then did the old, you got 24 hours to make it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's why there was all that hubbub at Roger's Arena. It was like, oh God. So from a Colorado and McFarland perspective here, you're saying, are we going to risk

losing the best offer that we might get for Ranton and knowing that we're, I guess they'd convinced themselves that they weren't going to sign them. Now, some will suggest, did the Canucks get played? Did they just get leveraged? I don't know. Well, some would also suggest maybe that there was more room to give on Ranton inside. Yeah. Maybe he was willing to negotiate. I don't anything, I don't think anything's as black and white or as cut as dry as we'd like to

make it in Sports Talk Radio. There's one thing or the other. It's this, this team won and this team lost. I can get the whole morning. Yeah, I've seen him pissed. The players, McKinnon and Bednar. Yeah, he's a coach, but yeah, no. And they would be, right?

This came out of nowhere. Let's be honest, prior to Friday and on Friday's show, it's not like we were talking about the Miko Ranton and trade rumors that had been percolating on the internet. Part of that has to do with market. It's a smaller market and there's not as many people digging in on a daily basis, but

comparatively speaking between how much we've heard about and how's a smaller market and there's not as many people digging in on a daily basis, but comparatively speaking between how much we've heard about and how long Pedersen and Miller's names have been in trade rumors. Miko Ranntinen almost felt like it popped up. Carolina swooped in, boom, made the deal and away they go. When Kipper put Ranntinen's name at the top of his trade board, I was like, yeah, I'm sorry,

trading Ranntinen? So I had followed. I had followed. Trade this guy. I had followed, I'd follow this guy. I had followed it closely enough to know that there was a major, dare I say rift, but a major divide between what the abs were willing to do financially what Rantan wanted.

That Rantan's number was at 14 and that because, and I don't know if this was a McKinnon thing or if this was a club thing, but there was an understanding that the 12 million that McKinnon makes is that's the high, no one's getting paid more than that. Nate dogs our guy. He's our dog. He's making the most.

He gets very upset. He gets angry. He's very jealous. Yeah. He's a petty, petty man. I just made that last part up. Um, so there was that understanding there. Now a couple of different

people put out that what Colorado might've been willing to do is say, you know, MECO, here's a long-term deal at 11.75 million per and that that was the thing. Who's to say who's, who knows you're also getting a report like the one from Strickland where it was like negotiations never really got to a point where, you anything seriously. They kind of went to the trade route when they realized that they weren't going to get the finances done. And I think part of the financials on this

has to do with the fact that if you look at what the cap is supposed to grow to, Randon's got a case that he should be making 14 million. For sure. I mean, look at the numbers that he's put up. But you know, sometimes in a negotiation, you can tell really early on whether or not it's gonna happen. Maybe that was what happened here. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Yeah. Whatever the case. But I also do think that there's an element of Carolina controlled this process and they said, we need your final offers now. And I'm talking about the great point that you made earlier. Thank you. See, I'm a good teammate. I'm lifting you up.

You had a bit of a rough start. On occasion. Sometimes I make it worse. I'm trying to make it better now. You're making it worse. Now you're making it more self-reflective. Okay, but with regards to what Carolina did here, it's very interesting because for the second year in a row, they

have gone big, big game hunting in trying to acquire guys. And remember, Gensel for them was not a rental. The idea there was, we're getting a man and we want to keep Jake Gensel around. He ultimately made the decision to go to Tampa Bay, but it wasn't without them trying real hard to get him locked up in free agency. They're going to do the exact same thing with Ranton. And I guess the wink, wink, nudge, nudge of it all would be, Hey, we might be willing to go financially where Colorado wasn't because a couple of people, I was reading some stuff over the weekend as I dove deep into the Carolina side of things, they do have a better cap situation now than they did last year.

They moved some things around in the summer and were able to kind of give themselves a little bit more clarity. And I don't know if they have, I don't think they have that same structure where there's one guy that is going to get the most money currently employed there. Like it's not Ajo. Well, they better not because they're not going to be able to keep ranting. And if that's the case, because Ajo is at 9.75 million and I don't think ranting and it's gonna sign for less than that So here's the other thing with ah oh in the fold. I was reading one thing over the weekend where it was suggested that they believe that ranting is The high the most high caliber like elite level talent that they brought in recently

Mm-hmm like better than ah ho better than Gensel better than all these other guys that they brought in recently. Like better than Aho, better than Gensel, better than all these other guys that they've brought in. Do you remember when we saw him drafted and most of the time at the draft, the kids are, I mean, they're 18 years old, right? Yep. And you're like, that kid's not going to need to

hit the gym and eat a lot. Ranted and was a giant. This was the McDavid Eichel draft, by the way. That was the rant. It ran and went 10th overall, if I'm not mistaken. Mm-hmm. Um, so he wasn't a big, wasn't necessarily a big deal at the draft, but I remember.

No. He walked past us. I was like, Oh my God, who's, who's this kid? Yeah. And I mean, and look at the production that he's had since breaking in to the national honky league to 100 point seasons, a 55 goal season, a 24 or 42 goal season.

Like he's, he produces at a elite, elite level. And has he gotten to play with good players? Yes. For sure. But there is a responsibility to that. And there is, um, you know, people, people act like, uh, some of these guys are just created by others and that's because, you know, people act like some of these guys are just created by others.

And that's because, you know, back in the day, Wayne Gretzky and Miriam Lemieux did create these 50 goal scores out of nothing, right? And I get it. It does happen to a certain extent, but you have to have talent to play with good players. And now Rantinen is going to go to a team where his two line mates could be Sebastian Ajo and

Andre Svechnikov. And that line, and they've also got like guys like Seth Jarvis and you know, I put out, I tweeted out their top six and it included Jordan Stahl and Martin Newk. And we're like, those guys are third liners. And I'm like, yeah, okay, maybe, but you know, you can always take Ranton and plan with Jarvis

or, you know, like they might need to go out and address if they can, the second line center spot, but I just look at that team and I look at that group of six and we've been talking a lot about the personnel for the Canucks. I look at that group of six, how much harder to handle is that group of six than what the Canucks have in their top six from a physical perspective.

Totally valid point. From a physical, like, and then you look at, you look at what, uh, Florida brings and they win the Stanley Cup and, and their top six has guys like Kachuk and Sam Bennett. And I mean, Barkov is no shrinking violet either. Right?

Like you've got guys that they don't just take up space, they create space by themselves and they are tough to handle. Is it worth, is it worth noting at this point that Ranton is six four two 15 and Svechnikov is 6'2", 200? Yeah. I mean, the guys. Yeah.

Yeah. Like that's, man, if Florida plays Carolina in the playoffs, and that's very possible that they match up somehow, that is going to be a war. Dare I say big boy hockey. Big boys. Okay. Well, look at Washington. They got big boys. They do.

Protests is the biggest of them all. He's the biggest of the big boys. Tom Wilson and Dubon when he wants to play big, he can play big. And now the Canucks are in a situation. Like I hear, okay, I don't want to sound I don't sound like a jerk here, but I hear these, these trade proposals like trade Miller for Barzell. Like, do you know how light the Canucks top six would be? It would be problematic. If they traded Miller for Barzell, Barzell is a very, very, very talented player. I love Matt Barzell.

Absolutely. He has a spot and he has a spot on a winning team. Like you can win cups with a guy like Matt Barzell. Absolutely. He has a spot and he has a spot on a winning team. Like you can win cups with a guy like Matt Barzell in your lineup, but you better have some, you better have some strength elsewhere. You better have some size and strength elsewhere. And right now, especially with Dakota Joshua missing for a lot of the season, I think one of

the big problems that the Canucks have, if we're talking about getting to the net and creating slot chances is, they're not that big and strong up front. One of their big problems. Maybe they could convert some of these big, strong defensemen into forwards. Think about it. Classic.

Works out all the time. Day Harney, Day Harney. Go to the front of the net. Day Harney, Susie, Forbort, Myers. Myers is back tonight, by the way, after the- Caps up some big boys up front. I don't know what happened to my voice in that interview. It's okay.

Very gravelly. Yeah. It's your grizzled reporter who's busy asking questions. Yeah, I was smoking beforehand just because I felt like it. And drinking beer. I think I was, yeah, I was drinking, but Adog and I had a beer at the intermission.

Is that professional? It's fine. One is okay. Well, we had the doubles. Like we had the, yeah. Adog didn't finish his. I was like, chug a lug, buddy. The second period is starting.

More than an IPA, that was a mistake. Okay, someone texted in, why aren't we talking more about how Petey was inches away from being traded on Friday? We did discuss this in our one of the program. Download the podcast by the way, Apple, Spotify, where else can you get? Oh, Seeker, get your podcast on Seeker. Don't say Google. Let's replay the fridge audio from Saturday, where he very specifically said, I'm paraphrasing and I'll let him say it in full, that he thought Elias Pettersson might have been a member of the

Carolina Hurricanes on Friday. Here's Freage from Saturday night's Hockey Night Canada broadcast. There was a time yesterday I thought that Pettersson was going to be a Carolina Hurricane, obviously it didn't happen. I think those talks continue and I believe that one of the teams that has really shown a lot of interest is Buffalo. There are others but the Sabres are definitely in there. One thing on that Vancouver angle, not JT Miller, it was going to have to be. No, yesterday, if they were going to make the deal, it was going to be Pederson. So again, the picture kind of became clear over a 24 hour span of what Carolina was able

to orchestrate. I would say that I think all things considered, I think Carolina did a really nice job here of getting a deal done well before the deadline, identifying, I mean, how often does a MECO random become available outside of the draft, right? And not having to bid in free agency, not having to give up any of your prize prospects or first round pick to get them in the door, I think was a big thing. And now you look at them like it's their second big swing in a row. Obviously they were courting offers to either try and play them against one another,

or maybe they had a genuine interest in getting Pedersen. We'll probably never know. But the point being is that it once again reiterates that the Canucks are extremely active on these trade fronts, trying to make a move to, I think, salvage this season. And then of course, as you've made many allusions to trying to sort out big picture,

what this team is going to look like and what the core is going to look like moving forward. Um, so I've been one of Pedersen's biggest critics in the media and everyone knows that. What? But I still find it, I find it difficult sometimes when I see comments, like I'm willing to have a conversation about the

system and I'm willing to have a conversation about what the Canucks can do to help Pedersen. Absolutely. That's their responsibility to get the best out of their players. to get the best out of their players. But I have to admit, there seems to be a fairly large contingent of people that will blame anyone but the player.

And I just find that confusing because you're hearing constantly little hints about what's And I just find that confusing because you're hearing constantly little hints that he's not putting the work in. And people are like, how can they trade them? Well, watch him play. They've given, that they are worried that this can they trade them? Well, watch him play. They've given that they are worried that this contract that he's got is going to become an

absolute anchor for the team. They are worried that their highest paid player isn't on board with the program and as a bit of a lone wolf. And I get the pushback, like we all want Pedersen to get back to where he was. And I get it, like some people might be thinking, like listening to me and saying, bruv, you know,

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills listening to you, always ripping on Petey. But I feel the same way about people that make it everything except how well Pedersen works his way out of this. Yep. Like I feel the same way about that. For me, it was hilarious yesterday, it was like, talk went out with Pedersen

and people were like, look at Petey putting in the work. Whose idea do you think that was? Whose idea do you think it was that Pedersen was going to be out there with Tocket and the Sedines and working on, on, you know, how to deal with, with, uh, back pressure or whatever, making plays. Like I think that was Petey going to them. From what I've heard, Petey never goes to them and ask for help.

It's always the other way around. The crazy part about this is. How many times have you heard talk and say, what I like about JT, sorry to cut you off. What I like about JT is that he's always willing to engage in a conversation. I like that. And then he says, you know, I have a problem

with the players that never come to you and ask for help. What do you think he's talking about? So this is the same player, I'll remind you, that upon breaking into the league was lauded and well reported in school. But when Botch wrote the piece in the early stages of Pedersen's career about how he worked on his shot, like a

fanatical, obsessive working on his shot. Yes, what happened? But that's what I'm saying is maybe that when you're trying to explain these people, these people that will blame anyone but the player, I do wonder if it's just the residual memories of a player that captured the market and did all these things that suggested greatness was going to be not just sustained, but like there was going to be a growth.

It wasn't just the greatness that we saw in the early stages. Remember when you compared him to Gretzky? But as we moved along, that it was going to be, well, not only is he supremely talented, but he also has this insatiable work ethic that's going to help him grow into being an even better player. Imagine when he learns the league, imagine when he gets stronger, imagine when he gets more mature. And he played with a terrific work ethic as well.

And he still does at times. So that is, I think maybe just explaining, just explaining some people's thought patterns. I mean, I am terrified that the Canucks trade him and he finds his game again. I remember people when we were talking about for 10 and like, don't trade for 10 and it'll be another Cam Neely. And I was a hundred percent confident in saying,

no, it won't be. If you trade a talent like Pedersen, it could come back to bite you. Yep. And that's why I constantly, like people are so sick of me, period. But, you know, seeing the word diagnosis, what happened here?

Like, is this, did he lose his passion for the game? Is it an HR issue? You know, was he just not happy at work? Is he not happy with some of his colleagues? Perhaps. Is he not happy with the system? Is it an injury?

Because to me, and I still feel like a lot of people don't get it. The fall off from early in the first half of the season last year when he was playing terrific to what we're seeing now on a regular basis is so stark. And people will say, he's playing great defensively. Yeah, cause he's not doing anything offensively. He's in like a nickel defense out there half the time.

Right? Like I'll take care of the defensive stuff. Yeah. Yeah, cause he's not doing anything offensively. He's in like a nickel defense out there half the time. Right? Like I'll take care of the defensive stuff. Yeah, but you got to also participate offensively as well. That's what the great ones do. The elite ones do it all. They don't do one facet of the game. And right now figuring it out mode for the Canucks

now means two things. It's one, are we responsible or are we capable of trying to solve this internally or is the solution moving the player elsewhere? And then if he does take off somewhere else, you'd have this argument, well, what the hell did the Canucks do? And then on the other side of the argument, it

would be, well, it was never going to happen here anyway. Everyone reaches a breaking point, right? That's the, and that's why I kept referring to like this inflection point of this season. At a certain point, they're going to happen here anyway. Everyone reaches a breaking point, right? That's the, and that's why I kept referring to like this inflection point of this season. At a certain point, they're going to decide where they want to go or what they, where they hope to go this season.

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I'm going to start. So yesterday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, sandwich between football games, I learned that Alex Patrangelo dropped out of the Four Nations faceoff. The veteran Canadian defenseman said that he's not gonna play for Canada at the Four Nations to quote, tend to an ailment and prepare for the remainder of the regular season. Ah, my groin. That was actually added for the remainder of the regular season. My groin.

That was actually added onto the end of the release. So the interesting part is that just hours after announcing that he was going to pull out of the Four Nations Faceoff Tournament due to an ailment, Alex Patrangelo played 24 minutes in a four one win over the Florida Panthers in which he was clearly not injured in the slightest. Played great was a plus two. What a battler. So I started asking what exactly is going on here? My first thought was, oh, he's booked a non-

refundable vacation during the four nations face off. And he's like, I looked atfundable vacation during the Four Nations face-off. And he's like, I looked at that Royal Caribbean policy and it is airtight. I am, I'm gonna lose my money. So I have to go on this vacation. Then I thought, no, that's crazy. Alex Patrangelo makes millions of dollars.

Surely, whatever vacation plans he may have made, he can scuttle. So what, I ask you guys, what is going on here? Why would he do this if he's healthy enough to play right now? He's not a patriot. He hates Canada. Yeah.

Is that it? Yeah. Is that it? Yep. I wonder if Vegas leaned on him and I wonder if more and more teams are going to do it. Cause is anyone like, from a Canucks perspective. Oh, my ailment.

Of course it was Vegas to be the first. What's going on? My ailment is ailing me. So Quinn Hughes came out and did media after the game. Yup. And I was there, working reporter in the dressing room. Hard worker. He still got that thing on his hand.

I know. Right? I know. I was trying to get a good look at it. I was like, what is that claw thing you've got going there, right? It's a plastic claw. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we've heard stories, it was in

IMAX piece, someone on the team FaceTimed Quinn over the weekend, I think maybe on Friday. Okay. And at the time he was getting treatment and he was just saying like, here's a guy that, you know, it's on his off day, he's in getting treatment, working on his, you know, it's, it's off day. He's in getting treatment, working, working on

his, you know, his body essentially. Right? Sure. Um, do you, listen, I, I want the Four Nations to be good. Are you getting nervous? I mean, I just don't. Is this a harbinger of what's to come?

Well, what do you mean nervous? Nervous for what? A lot of guys dropping out of the tournament. Oh, I mean, I hope it doesn't happen, but I think as a Canuck fan, I don't particularly want Quinn Hughes to go there and play, how many games is it going to be? Four maybe?

So that's the case. Four extra games? So let me explain why I brought this up. Bruff and I have talked at length on this show about the importance of international best on best competition. I've talked at length on this show about the importance of international best on best competition. Also, it seems as though that the respective national bodies like Hockey Canada has made it pretty clear that turning down world hockey championships or other invites might affect

your standing for the big prize, which is the 2026 Olympics in Italy, right? Yeah. So Patrangelo either is really confident that they're not going to pass him over for the Olympic team, or he just really genuinely does not care a lick about the four nations face off. And if it's the latter, then I'm like, well, who is going to care about it? Because they want if it's a team leaning on them though.

Sure. That's a possibility. Vegas, I don't know if you've heard it are quite ruthless and single-minded in their approach, like announcing it hours before he goes out and plays 25 minutes. He's kind of hilarious. It's so defiant that it's funny. Yeah, well, that's Vegas. But that's Vegas.

But if I'm, cause I'll go back to you. They're the most defiant organization. But I'd go back to your example about Quinn Hughes. If I'm the general, if I'm Patrick Alveen, I'm looking at this term of being like, Pedersen, you're not going. Well. Well, Peterson for sure needs to go though. I don't know. He could work with Takith. He's got to fight Miller. He's got to go.

No, he could work with Takith. But I think, I mean, the only thing- Miller, you're not going. Well, the injury risk with Peterson- Lankton, you're sure as hell not going. But don't you want Peterson to go and maybe play in a different environment and see if he finds something there? The way the season is going, it would be,

Peterson would go and get hurt. That's what would happen. Just, you know, Murphy's law, right? And if the players are gonna be like, I have good news, I don't feel the tendonitis anymore. Bad news is I have broken my leg. What if he goes off for like eight goals in this tournament? Yes, sure, great.

But then comes back and he's like, And then comes back and he's exactly the way he was. Exactly the same way. Oh, my ailments. I I'd be like, maybe talking is the problem here. Yeah. Well, at least we got some out of this tournament. We figured that part out. Anyway, I just bring this up because you said like, if this is going to matter and it should matter because the players were pushing for international competition, they want it, right? If that's the case and the players have to be the driving force behind this foreign nations thing. And I get that Vegas might have leaned on Patrangelo,

but I am worried that this might set off a cascade of guys being like, eh. I don't think the league has any thing to combat this. Like I know with the All-Star game, if you play the game after the All-Star game or the game before the All-Star game and you miss the All-Star game, you get suspended. I think what the league could push back with

was like, do you guys remember CBA negotiations where you talked about how important this was to you? You remember those meetings? We have minutes. And if that's the case, don't just opt out of the tournament if you're hurt. Don't opt out of the tournament and then go play a game. You know? It's like those guys that go on workers' then go play a game, you know?

It's like those guys that go on workers comp and then they show, you know, I saw them kite boarding yesterday, right? It's like, come on. Anyway. All right. Look at that. Let's print out some submissions into the Dunbar Lumber text line.

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football game party. Okay what we learned humanoid edition as always brought to you by AJ's Pizza on East Broadway. If you don't have plans for this Thursday I highly recommend you go by and try a bar pizza in house for just 16 bucks. One of the best pizzas on the menu. Visit them online at ajs.pizza for more. Davis and Langley, what I just learned is that you guys are now just realizing this tournament is a waste of time.

Obviously players and teams shouldn't be investing in this hokey tourney. Did you not listen to the last bit? I'm still really looking forward to this tournament. I'm still really looking forward to it. I can't wait. I'm still really Davis and Langley. Davis, the players made it a point of negotiating. It was a negotiating point.

They wanted international best on best. And they wanted a proper international calendar. Wasn't just a regular calendar. Every random one-offs where it's like, now we're going to the Olympics. Now we're not. They wanted this. So you can't. Is it in Korea? Nah. Yeah, like you can't arbitrarily pick where you want to go. They wanted a schedule and the NHL was like, okay, we will

oblige that. This was like, I don't know how else to explain this other than that this whole thing was very player driven. I bet the league, the head office is pissed at them. They should be. Yeah. Especially when he goes home and plays the same night. They're like, are you just trying to thumb your

nose up at us? Is that what's happening here? Uh, Joven with what we learned, the bills need to make a major trade or sign some big free agents if they want to get past the chiefs, get Josh Allen some help. Yeah. I mean, we had an interview with Nick Shook earlier in the show and he was talking

about besides the quarterback position, is there anyone on the Bills that would make the Eagles, for example? Like the depth that the Eagles have is pretty impressive. Well, you know who the one big tree that might fall in Buffalo? Big Sean?

Sean McDermott. I wonder. I, I think it would be very hard to fire a guy with cause after he's won 78 games over the last six seasons. He's been to multiple AFC title games. I understand that sometimes if you can't get your team over that final hump or hurdle or

phase, then you need to go. But that, it would seem a bit harsh. It is the NFL, I suppose though. They could get Bella check. Table saw James with a while we learned Andy Strickland does sports hits like Ollie, the weather guy does weather reports. There's going to be a game and someone's going to

win, got to go buy. Things happen. Things happen. We'll try and get Andy on another time. Well, you know, and he was right to ditch us for Montgomery because I don't know if you saw this on the weekend or not, but, uh, the Blues lost to Dallas and Strickland, not Strickland, he's the reporter.

Montgomery called a timeout seven minutes into the game to light into the Blues because he said they were so flat. Imagine that calling a timeout early in the game when your team doesn't start well. God, I hate the timeout discourse. I just brought it to the forefront. It's just like people think it's going to just solve everything.

Well, I know, because the call a timeout and they'll definitely turn it around. What about just the TV timeouts that they have two or three of per period? The funny postscript to that story is that Montgomery called the timeout when the Blues were down two nothing, seven minutes in. You know what the final score was? Two nothing. So it changed absolutely nothing. Did nothing.

I suppose they stopped getting scored on, which is good, but they definitely didn't score any goals, which is bad. Dave in North Burnaby has what we learned and he's quoting Spencer Carberry post game, Washington capitals head coach who said not to take anything away from Quinn Hughes, but Pedersen and Carlson were a big part of those

two goals. Yeah. Carlson had the screen on the first goal and Pedersen got to the front of the net on the second goal. Great. I'm talking about the puck on his stick. I mean, I don't know. I saw that Carberry line making the rounds

as well, a couple of different people texted it. It was funny. People were like. There was a discourse around it. Yeah. The, the head coach of the caps is more complimentary of Pederson than the head coach of the Canucks.

The head coach of the capitals doesn't have to coach Pederson. No. Uh, Matt, the former stump grinder means he doesn't grind stumps anymore. Hashtag WWL, what learned, four certainties in life, death, taxes, Canucks drama, and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, so just so we're clear on this, they would be the first three Pete of the Super Bowl era, but they wouldn't be the first three Pete in NFL history because the Packers have done it twice. And now of course. NFL championship. For those that don't know the history and the lineage, there used to be two separate leagues. The Superbowl era was basically post-merger.

Let's just, for simplicity sake. So, uh, the Vince Lombardi Packers of the 60s won three in a row and the Curly Lambeau teams, which I believe you were in high school around those times. Ah, Cur curly had a poster of them. Yeah. Uh, that was in the twenties and thirties. They won three in a row as well.

But the chiefs would be the first three Pete in the Superbowl era. Jamie, the Armstrong fisherman. What I learned, James Crawford became the first Canadian skier in 42 years to win the prestigious world cup downhill in Kitzbuehl, Austria, sharing the podium with fellow skier and teammate Cameron Alexander

on Saturday. Way to go boys. There was a time in the eighties where I was very into skiing and skiing was a big, big deal in Canada. You're right. Because. Um.

Alberto Tamba, La Bamba. Yeah, he was like, he was a slalom guy, but like, I remember, I remember Perman Zerbergren, but Kittsbuehl, there was, uh, so they, it's called the Hanenkom and it's like, it's, it's a terrifying course. From 1980 to 1983, three separate Canadians wanted. Steve Podborski won it twice. This is one of the... That's Halford. Hmm. Not interested.

The crazy Canucks. Crazy Canucks. I'm still working on Perman Zergerbitten. Perman Zerbergen was a Swiss skier and he was incredible and Todd Brooker won it in 1983. Downhill skiing, does anyone even follow it anymore? It's very different. Really? Because it used to be Saturday morning, CBC Sports would have it.

I know. They'd have every World Cup downhill. Hey, man. And guys like Rob Boyd were big stars in this country. I am with you on this. The fact that we can name check so many skiers from the 80s and 90s and can't anymore. And I mean, I pay attention to more sports now

than I did back in those days. I don't, I'm actually not sure why. I know the Crazy Canucks was, they were extremely popular at the time, right? And maybe skiing was having like, as Bill Simmons says, was skiing having a moment maybe in the 80s and it's just not anymore, I'm not sure. Yeah, I think it was a lot like CBC invested in it.

Yeah. Snowboarding has definitely taken away some of skiing's panache. I guess, but yeah, I don't know why, but congratulations to James Crawford who I'd never heard of. He won in kids' pool. No idea.

Troy the retired bread guy, hashtag WWL what we learned. The new core of the Vancouver Canucks might be Hughes, Sherwood, Lankton, and Garland. If all these trades at some point come to fruition, I hope it's not those other three, but you know. You'd like to think we'd be getting something back in return that might attribute to the core.

But I will say Troy has very correctly identified the four driving forces for the Vancouver Canucks this year. Hughes, Sherwood, Lankanen, and Garland. I have no idea where they'd be if those four weren't playing as well as they are. I do know where they would be. They'd be even further down in the standings. But yeah, if you were to say the four most important pieces

to the Canucks this year, you could easily make the argument that those four would be it. And that says a lot. It says a lot. Uh, what we learned from JP, Bruff can go into the dressing room once and get the most insightful talk at response of any media member this year, but he can't memorize

the Kintec read. I get the big quotes when I go. I get the big memory. I got the quote from Rutherford. I've been to two press conferences in the last, what, four years. I got the, uh, if everything goes right, we can be a playoff team.

I got that quote and I got Taka going, um, a million percent to, are you guys deferring too much to the point? You should be like, Hey Rick, what are your thoughts on Kintec and if you think about working in step. Well, okay, so just to give you an idea, as you see like behind the scenes here.

And I had a couple beers and me too, both times. Well, so Tauke had to deal with the Moj Bruff double header. Yeah. That was tough. By the way, it is hilarious when Tauke walks past Moj. I was like, are you guys related? You guys hang out on weekends? We're all there. They do have a good rapport though, Moj. I was like, are you guys related? Yeah. You guys hang out on weekends?

They do. They do have a good rapport though. Uh. Moj and talk. Lincoln in Surrey, hashtag WWL what we learned. Miller and Pedersen should be absolutely ashamed of the fact that one or both of them are giving up the chance to play on the same team as Quinn Hughes, all because they can't get along.

That is a really great point. Hughes may become one of the greatest defensemen of all time and anyone else would be dying to be on his team. Lincoln and Surrey, you've hit on something here. And I do think that part of the reason why over the last week, you've seen countless media outlets ask if this is one of the most unlikable teams in recent connects memory is because. There's a selfishness and there's

a petulance of allowing a personal rift to sabotage the season but also take away from so many good things that are out there. Getting to play with Hughes right now would be at the top of that list. I never thought of it in those terms before, but Lincoln makes a really good point. Where else in the NHL are you going to get to play with a guy that has that level of talent, that can move the puck as well as he does, that can score as well as he does, and is taking on a leadership role to try and keep your guys' stuff together?

As much as this is annoying and I think depressing and sad and frustrating for Canucks fans. You have to admit it's fascinating. Like when egos get involved in pro sports or really when egos get involved in anything. Yeah. And personalities. I don't know if egos is the right thing, but personalities, like I think it's like the

psychology of this stuff really fascinates me because hockey is such a team sport. I do understand why it turns people away though. Just so we're saying you and I find it fascinating, but I understand why some people look at it and are not fascinated, but completely turned off by it. Cause there is a degree of petulance involved, right? And.

Oh, and you're making all that money. You just be a professional. Of course it turns people off. Also, it's like if you and I, like there's a very distinct reason why we don't really complain about our jobs, cause we shouldn't be complaining about our jobs ever. No. We do not have.

We don't. We have amazing jobs. Yeah. We're not even good at them. That's the crazy part. What's your point? My point is that if we started to do it, I don't think there would be a lot of people

commiserating with us. No. I think it'd be a lot of people being like, shut up. Yeah. Right? Absolutely. Take it back.

Have some gratitude for what you've got in life. And that's what I don't see a lot from this Canucks team is gratitude for their lot in life. It seems like there's a lot of victim mentality and the Canucks, and frankly, the fans sometimes feed into it. Oh, you got to deal with the media and social media.

Well, put your phone down. You got to deal with the media. Again, I went into the room on, on Saturday, two guys came out to speak. Hughes came out, then he left. Lankton came out, then he left. Oh, I think DP was around somewhere. Like I was actually shocked because it was the

first time being in the room for five years. And I think Yannick Hansen was talking about this, by the way, he was saying like, yeah, they don't really have the media responsibilities that we used to. When I would go in the room, you know, half the guys were still getting, you know, taking their skates off or whatever, and you could wander up and chat with them.

And it was just, it was totally different. I do think, you know, when people talk about, uh, the media responsibilities back in the day when there used to be, you know, a hundred reporters about, uh, the media responsibilities back in the day when there used to be, you know, a hundred reporters and cameramen that would go into the room after the game, um, that is definitely a point to be made, but those guys didn't have to deal with the social media aspect of things.

A hundred percent. That being said. It's a good valid point. That I think they balance each other. Yep. I might actually think that the social media aspects would be worse because for the most part, you're just having, you know, fairly

friendly conversations with. There's a level of decorum. There's a level of decorum. Yes. But with the social media part, that's on the organization and the players to have the discipline to ignore it. That's a valid point. the organization and the players to have the discipline to ignore it. Mm-hmm.

That's a valid point. Um, I did want to read one more before we go. Uh, it's from Mike, the urologist in Brockville. And he is noticing that there are some vibes, similarity with, uh, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen too. Here's an interesting one. Roger Federer and Andy Roddick. Mike writes a superstar coming into his prime

at the exact same time as an all time generational talent eternally blocked from the highest success by that one guy. So I've heard Andy Roddick speak about his tennis career. Yeah. And he's like, I was a really great tennis starter.

Oh, good damn it. Yeah. He was, he was like, I was really, I was really good. I was really good at tennis and he won, I think he won the US Open once and that was it. Yeah. He was, he was like, I was really, I was really good. I was really good at tennis and he won, I think he won the US Open once and that was it. And he said, like, I was really good at tennis. I just came along at a time where the greatest

player of all time was right there road blocking me left and right. It's a hard thing to reconcile. Yeah. Because it's somewhat reminiscent also to a Phil Nicholson and Tiger Woods. That's a good one too. Like Phil got over the hump a few times. Yeah. Because. It's somewhat reminiscent also too of Phil Nicholson and Tiger Woods. That's a good one too. Like Phil got over the hump a few times. Yeah.

But he was always the other guy. Because he wasn't the greatest golfer of all time. Yeah. And it's a crazy thing when you think about it, but I've heard Andy Roddick speak about it a few times. I really hope that doesn't happen to Josh Allen, but I mean, Josh Allen's going to, 28 years old and someone did the rundown of all the other generational quarterbacks when it got to that age.

It doesn't get any easier when you get older to get to a Super Bowl, unless you're Tom Brady. It gets more difficult. Okay, tonight the Canucks are in St. Louis. Two wins in a row, guys. Can you imagine? You can do it! You can get two wins in a row and then we'll be streaking It's been a long time. Not literally Now the unfortunate part is this game is not on a Saturday Monday if it was on a Saturday, it felt better about it. It's a big game for the Canucks Let's go two wins in a row boys. Come on. Okay, we got to get out of here for that shots

Yeah, we got to get out of here for now We'll be back tomorrow morning to talk about it all, including that Canucks game. 430, a reminder you can hear right here on Sportsnet 650. Signing off for now, I have been Mike Halford, he's been Jason Bruff, he's been A-Dog, he's been Laddie, she has been Intern Ryan. This has been the Halford and Bruff Show on Sportsnet 650.