Halford & Brough in the Morning - Is Ian Clark Leaving The Canucks?

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

In hour one, Mike & Jason look back at the previous day in sports (3:00), they preview tonight's Canucks matchup in Seattle (6:00), they set up Monday's Seahawks Monday Night Football tilt in Detroit with ESPN's Brady Henderson (28:11), plus they hear from Elliotte Friedman via 32 Thoughts with news on former Canucks goalie coach Ian Clark (43:36). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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I'm good. Are we going to talk young boys or what? Ladies and gentlemen, the weekend. Good morning, Vancouver 601 on a Friday. Happy Friday, everybody. This is Alfred and his brother, Sportsnet 650. We are coming to you live from the Kintec Studios in beautiful Fairview Slopes in Vancouver. Jason, good morning. Good morning.

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Brady Henderson, ESPN, Seahawks insider, is going to join us. We are going to preview Monday Night Football. That's right. We're going to skip all the way ahead to the second of a doubleheader on Monday Night Football. It is the Seattle Seahawks going to Detroit to take on the Lions. Seahawks are three-and-a-half point dogs on the road. We'll talk to Brady about that at 630.

7 o'clock, AJ from AJ's Pizza on East Broadway. It was a big night for AJ last night. Oh, he got a good win, the Cowboys. Two good wins. Well, yeah, the Yankees clinched the division and the Cowboys actually won a game, although I don't think it was like super convincing or anything.

Well, the Yankees and Cowboys win. All the Man U fans will be stoked. Yeah, yeah. AJ makes good pizza, but he's kind of the worst. Yeah. He's a real frontrunner. Good pizza, though. So 7 o'clock, we're going to talk to AJ. Right after AJ, we're going to talk to Adam Stanley about the golf,

the President's Cup. No, President's Trophy. I don't even care because it's over. Yeah, it ended yesterday. We're going to do a recap of the tournament. What a disaster. Yeah. The Cleavers are out for everyone on this international team.

Oh, the Cleavers are out for Weirzy, too. Yeah, I know. I saw that. Because he's sitting Kim down today. Tom Kim in favor of playing all three Canadians. Which he should have done yesterday. You start the tournament with the Canadians. You throw them out there.

You get the vibes going. You get the forecheck going. Well, he did start two Canadians and they both lost again. And Corey Connors is 0-5 in the President's Cup. Taylor Pendrith 0-5 in the President's Cup. They're going to give McKenzie Hughes a chance to get on the board today. Get out there,

kid. If you only got two Canadians, the answer is more Canadians. Three, four, five. Hell, Weir can play if he wants at this point. It doesn't really matter. Honestly, they might have to fly up Tiger to have an exhibition between Weirzy and Tiger because that was last time the President's Cup was in Royal Montreal. The Internationals lost, but

at least Weirzy beat Tiger in singles. That's good. That was kind of the memorable moment. So we'll talk to Adam Stanley about this golf tournament that's over after one day. That'll be fun. 730 Moj is going to join us. Bob the Moj Marjanovic, busy day for Moj. He'll be on the call tonight. The BC Lions are back

in action after their bye week. They're going to be hosting the Hamilton Tiger Cats. Greg, are you going to be there wearing your feline outfit? I will not, unfortunately. A feline outfit? I didn't know I had one. You do. You're dressed up as a tiger. That could be supporting the Lions. Cat. Yeah. Felines. That's right. It's an all feline battle tonight. You could up as a tiger. That could be supporting the lions. Cat.

Yeah. Felines. That's right. It's an all feline battle tonight. You could be, you're neutral. I got to really wear the tiger stuff to show the difference. Right. Yeah.

Oh, I'm not a lion. Emphasize that. Oh dear, sir. I'm not a lion. 730 Mojo is going to join the program. Eight o'clock. It's Rick Dollywall. I don't know what, did Dolly send you as talking points for today already?

Do you have those in the chamber? Are you going to keep a secret? The Canucks aren't very happy with one thing. That's a tease. The tease.

Oh, we don't know. That's great. No, no, no. They're not very happy that Demko's specific injury got leaked. That's courtesy

of the Alfred Well, the team's going to do Target it? Yeah. Well, I know. Hack is popliteas. I just don't think

they like any leaks whatsoever. Like, they don't like it. They're like, all right, who is it? Yeah, that's true. It's not so much that came out,

it's that it came out, right? It doesn't matter what the injury is. It's that it's now public knowledge. I think Rick is pretty upset with it, too, because now he has

to say popliteas. Yeah, that's right. He didn't break it, and he has to say it. So Dolly's going to join us at 8 o'clock. We have two giveaways today. Pay attention, listeners, okay? We're going to explain this a lot, but I'll explain it once right here.

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Plain and simple. That's what's happening on the program today. Everybody. Laddie. Let's tell everybody what happened. Hey, did you guys see the game last night? No. What happened? I missed all the action because

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Visit them online at bccsa.ca. Thursday, no game for the Vancouver Canucks. They'll prep for tonight's game against the Seattle Kraken in Seattle as that rivalry spices back up. But there was some news and notes and a practice to talk about. Let's begin with the news. Jet Wu and Guillaume Brisebois were both placed on waivers yesterday for the purpose of assigning them to Abbotsford.

We will not find out until 11 a.m. our time. They've changed that. Remember when it used to be 9 a.m. our time? Now it's 11 a.m. our time. It's 2 o'clock Eastern. To see if anyone picked up either player on waivers. Brackets, I don't think it's going to happen. But you never know.

Stranger things have happened. Wu is yet to make his NHL debut, despite being called up to the team on two different occasions, if I'm not mistaken. Brisebois has played games dating all the way back to 2018-19. And as I pointed out on Twitter yesterday, there are only five current Canucks that played on that unforgettable 2018-19. And as I pointed out on Twitter yesterday, there are only five current Canucks that played on that unforgettable 2018-2019

team. It's Brock Besser, Thatcher Demko, Quinn Hughes, Elias Patterson, and good old Guillaume Brisebois. But it looks as though he'll be on his way down to Abbotsford. Yeah, Brisebois was concussed for a lot of last year.

And Jet Wu, you know, in some ways, I'll be honest with you, in some ways I hope someone picks him up. I'm not joking because, like, I think, you know, a fresh start somewhere else might be what he needs. It's not that he's been, you know, terrible with the organization, but he's been close a few times to making the team, but never seems to find the right spot. And, you know, frankly,

I'm getting tired of people texting and asking about JetWoo. Right. That one guy in particular. Well, when you say people, yeah, we're referring to one person. Is it only one person? Yeah. Talk about JetWoo. What's going on JetWoo-wise?

Yeah. Talk about JetWoo. Give us a JetWoo update. Dude, it's over. We don't have an update to give you. What's going on Jet Woo-wise? Yeah, talk about Jet Woo. Give us a Jet Woo update. Dude, it's over. We don't have an update to give you. What do you want us to talk about? Okay, let's talk about what happened at practice yesterday, because I'll be curious to see what kind of lineup rolls out tonight in Seattle.

The Canucks are about to play three games in four nights. They go Seattle tonight, Calgary tomorrow, and then Edmonton Monday, correct? Mm-hmm. You have no idea. Yep, no, you're right. And they're all on the road. And then that is all in anticipation of,

but their sixth and final preseason game, JT Miller kind of leaked yesterday. Not leaked, but yeah, he's in trouble now. He said yesterday, you know, but he's in trouble now. He said yesterday that October 4th game, which is a week from today, that's their 6th and final preseason game, will probably feature

pretty much the full team. Yeah, most teams, it sounds like they're going to do that going into their final exhibition game. By the way, tonight's game is the last non- televised exhibition game on the Canucks slate. The rest of the ones that you mentioned will all be televised. You can hear tonight's game right here last non-televised exhibition game on the Canucks slate. The rest of the ones that you mentioned will all be televised. You can hear tonight's game right here on Sportsnet 650.

So I do wonder about who's going to be playing tonight. I imagine JT Miller is going to make his preseason debut tonight, but it could be with all the big dogs. They were all skating together yesterday in the same group. And there were two groups skating out at UBC. They're using two sheets of ice there. And one of the groups the reporters figured was the group that was going to go down to

Seattle and play the Kraken. Right. And that featured the likes of, you know, Besser, Miller, Petey, Dabrusk, Hughes. And I was thinking that at some point this preseason, well, more than just that October 4th game, Rick Tockett probably wants to get at least his first

unit power play out. Yeah. You know, and get him, you know, the first two games they haven't been together and the first game, the power play actually looked pretty good. And he'll probably want to get that group together just to get it some reps.

And based on how spicy the first game against Seattle is, there could be a parade to the penalty box tonight. You're getting lots of opportunities. Who knows? There might be a lot of penalties. Okay, I want to play some audio from yesterday's practice. The first is Rick Tockett discussing who will get that plum gig playing alongside Elias Pettersson and Jake DeBrusque

on what will ostensibly be the Canucks' top line. I believe it was Kiefer Sherwood. I don't know if you mentioned it or not already yet. Yeah, he was skating with those two yesterday. Right. So Talkett was speaking about it and what an opportunity it is. And then he started listing some of the guys that will get a crack at it. Here now, Rick Talkett on who gets to play with pd and

nebrusk it's something i'm you know i'm not gonna lie to you i'm you know it's something every day okay how am i gonna do but it should sort itself out you know um you know i'm not i mean there's a lot of different options to go you know i could put hog in the left and i know jake can play the right side he's he's actually a good right winger too you could do that you know sherwood could go up there there's a lot of different guys you know that can go i think leonard mackie's actually a good right winger too. He could do that. Sherwood could go up there. There's a lot of different guys that can go. I think Leonard Mackey's done a nice job in his time there. So it's a job we're looking for somebody to take a hold of.

And it's important that we find a guy that can push the pace. And the same thing, Petey's got to push the pace too. So we've got to make sure that we get that line sorted out. But as for the Heinen, yeah, I like Heinen where he is with Miller and Besser. Smart guy. So I think Heinen is, I don't want to say like super obvious and the only guy that can play with Miller and Besser. But I think he really fits there.

He's defensively sound. He's got speed, which I think adds something that that line could possibly need. Yep. And Rick Tockett is pretty comfortable with that. Tockett's basically said that's a trio. He's got speed, which I think adds something that that line could possibly need. Yep. And Rick Tockett is pretty comfortable with that. Tockett's basically said that's a trio. Yeah. Kynan, Besser, Miller.

And they work together a lot in training camp, and we'll probably see them tonight. That's good. In Seattle, although you won't really see it unless there's another technically problematic stream. The other one, there just isn't an obvious fit there. Now people might say, well, what about Daniel Sprung? He scored that amazing goal. Yep, it's a possibility, but this is a guy who has bounced around the NHL and needs to round out his game. And we'll talk a bit more about Daniel Sprung.

Let Carmacki, maybe, he's a rookie though, right? He might be better sort of starting the season or finishing the whole season down in the AHL. Nils Holgrener, possible, but not obvious. And, you know, Kiefer Sherwood, I don't think anyone, when the Canucks signed him, were like, there is a guy that's going to fit in the top six, right?

Like he's an energy player. I know the Canucks, when they did sign him, they thought, well, maybe there's more to this guy. He's got some speed. He's got some energy. Maybe he can bring something to that line. I don't know if it's going to be a rotating cast of wingers with Petey and DeBrusque. I mean, we have to make sure also that Petey and DeBrusque work.

Yeah. I know we saw that a little bit. It sounds like if it's like, no, they're going to force it. Yeah. Make it work. Like it's supposed to work're going to force it. Make it work. It's supposed to work. This is how it's going to work. For sure.

And they're definitely going to get a run for a while together. I shouldn't say definitely, but probably. Just say definitely. It's fine. Okay. No one's going to check you on it. People check everything on this show. No, they don't.

That's true. They don't. We got four texts in right now, actually. Actually. But it will be interesting to see who grabs that spot because not only is it important for the team that that line really clicks, whoever grabs that spot,

I'm making the money sign right now for that person. That is a massive opportunity to go and play with two guys that can create points and create scoring chances. So when Rick Tockett was first speaking about, you know, who's got an opportunity to play on that line, he mentioned all the guys you just mentioned. Kiefer Sherwood, handful of other guys, Nils Hoaglander,

Jonathan Lacromackie and then one of the reporters in the scrum astutely pointed out that he didn't mention Daniel Sprung and then Rick Talkett went on a very lengthy and interesting sort

of explainer on yeah Sprung is totally next I think he just overlooked his name and then he started talking about him in detail so here begins the Daniel Sprong discourse because he was a pretty major character yesterday. Here's Rick Talkett on Daniel Sprong. I forgot about it. I shouldn't forget about it

because he's a guy that we are really excited to help and teach. You know, you saw that goal last night. You know, he can do that. Sometimes in between that is where he gets a little lost and i think if we can i'm i'm excited to work with him put it that way like really excited can he be on the on the flank there yeah he is definitely a candidate to go there yeah i mean be crazy not to give him a chance up there we all see that goal last night what do you see on the other half of the ice? Because I know that's been sort of the big thing since you got there.

Well, I think it's, you know, I have a good relationship with him. He wants to learn. I mean, he came in in really good shape. He's been texting and asking for video. He wants to be a better player and a complete player. Like I said to you, seven coaches, seven different teams. He's got to settle in and then really take this information and can he be a complete player.

So your question is basically he can't go unnoticed. Sometimes he doesn't move his feet. He gets lost out there. Or I'd like to see his motor going like he did. And if he makes an aggressive mistake when he's motoring, I can live with that. It's just when he's very, you know, if he loses his guy or he dives in, he does that. You know, I haven't seen that much. It's only four or five, six days, but he's really conscious of it.

You know, you do some intel. You talk to some other coaches, too, so you try to get some intel on him. But, you know, I think we got a good handle on him and what he knows what he has to do. Like he knows that there's certain things he has to do to earn the trust and the ice up. Sometimes I wonder if one of the hardest things for a player is just maintaining focus throughout the game. Any athlete, really.

Certainly golf. It is for goalies. Yeah. Well athlete, really. Certainly golf. It is for goalies. Yeah. Well, goalies, yeah. And you know how they say in this, they say focus is the new IQ, just with like cell phones and everything, and it's the people that can sit down and actually work and focus on one task. You know, that's a bit of an aside.

I just think when you're playing a hockey game and what he's basically saying is there are some times that Sprong just kind of checks out when he's on the ice and his brain just isn't thinking about all his responsibilities. And Laddie, I'm sure that's something that goalies have to be trained. You have to be focused the whole time and it's

hard. You have to kind of exercise your brain in order to do that. The same is true for a coach too, right? Like you're sitting behind the bench and sometimes you can get caught just watching the game, right? Manny Malhotra kind of mentioned that actually, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he said like, yeah, you got to get back to being like behind the bench and remembering like your responsibilities as a coach. And you're, you're kind of getting out of summer

mode and into hockey mode. It is a, not only a physically challenging game, but it really is a mentally challenging game, especially at the pro level, at the NHL level, which is obviously very different than your beer league. When you're like, I'm a winger, I go here, right? Like you've got, you've got responsibilities constantly. You've got to be checking where other guys are on the ice and where you are on the ice. And that might sound like, well, you should know where you are on the ice, but if you're, you know, three feet out of the spot where you're supposed to be, if you're say penalty killing or something, well, that, that's a problem.

And we've heard a lot about, um, Rickckett making landmarks on the ice and saying, you got to get to this spot and you got to hit your mark. And I think that it sounds like, it sounds like that might be one of the issues with Daniel Sprung. Like when he's got the opportunity to make a play with the puck, he can definitely do it. But in the meantime, he needs to realize that he he's even if the puck's not on his stick or even if there's not even a chance for the puck to get on his stick he still has to be playing the

game well i i think does that make sense yeah but i think the interesting takeaway was that one thing that talk it said and then what uh sprung sort of later acknowledged in an interview that he did with imac and imac's got a piece up now on Sportsnet.ca about journeyman Daniel Sprung hoping to find a home with the Canucks. Tuckett said, you know, the guy's had seven coaches in seven years. And there was a quote in the piece from Sprung about his conversation with Tuckett, who one of the few coaches that he had actually had some familiarity with.

Like, Sprung basically gets a new coach every year, if you want to look at his career. Since he broke into the NHL, he's gone. Mike Johnson, Mike Sullivan, Randy Carlisle, Bob Murray, Peter LaViolette, Dave Haxtell, who should have asked about Daniel Sprung, by the way, because he coached him for a couple of years in Seattle. And then Derek Lalonde, right? So the quote that Sprung had about his off-season chat prior to signing in

Vancouver with Rick Tockett was, here's the quote. We talked about, you know, hockey in general, and then pretty much about my situation. I told him some stories that coaches have told me that didn't really make sense. Things that happened. I think that stays between me and him. But the decision to come here was after that talk.

That, to me, is a very interesting dynamic because I think a lot of people have put this solely at the feet of Daniel Sprong's game, right? The reason that he's bounced around is because of what he does and, more importantly, what he doesn't do. Are you blaming his coaches? I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just saying it's a nice nuanced conversation that maybe part of the reason that he's all jumbled up about what he's supposed to do on the ice is because he's had seven different game plans in seven different seasons yeah maybe it was like

when alex smith do you remember him yeah quarterback had like yeah new offensive coordinator every year for the 49ers yeah i gotta learn one playbook and then I gotta learn a whole different one. This guy's telling me to throw it backwards. Right? Laterals? We're gonna play rugby out here. Fishdancer texted in, is Sprung checking his Twitter in the neutral zone? That's kind of like the idea,

right? That's why some guys delete social media. Yeah, you just gotta be dialed in. I can't tell you how many times as a reporter I've gone to games and gone, all right, I'm going to like really watch the game. It's tough. I'm going to really, really watch the game. And five minutes in, I'm arguing with someone on Twitter.

Yeah, it's tough. It's hard to maintain your focus. And I know people will probably be like, they're professional athletes. They should be able to do it. Yeah, but that might be what separates professional athletes from the guys that aren't trusted by their coaches, their ability to focus and lock in on an entire game. Yeah. And like, dear listeners, don't get me wrong.

I know who and what we're talking about here. And this is a lot, I mean, there's been a lot of ink spilled and a lot of words spoken about, quite frankly, a guy that just might not pan out here like he has in detroit seattle washington anaheim and pittsburgh yeah that's what we do in the preseason though this is what we do we should just lean into it the oh but the only well here's the thing the only people that are just like don't talk about anything because nothing matters in the preseason but this isn't even about what happens in the preseason let's

talk about the nfl then right we can we can't that. We're going to do that next with Brady Henderson. But I do wonder, I do wonder if maybe Talkett's the guy, not necessarily is like the sprung whisper or anything. That's not it. But if he can give him the structure that he was able to implement to an entire team last year. Yeah, the team was a bunch of sprongs anyway. A lot of spronging.

Before Tauk had arrived. And sometimes players just need really simple directions. And how many times do we hear that? How many times do we hear that? It's a lot easier now. It's black and white. There's less gray. You know, Bruce Boudreau, lovable guy.

Had a lot of success in the league. Not the right coach for the Canucks, though. He was for a bit, but he wasn't long-term because his attitude was like, you guys are good hockey players, go out and play. His team needed direction. Badly needed direction. And maybe Daniel Sprung needs some direction.

So a friendly reminder, tonight at Climate Pledge, not Climate Change Arena, not Lemon Pledge Arena. Oh, it's Lemon Pledge Arena. The Canucks will be taking on the Seattle Kraken. I normally don't do this for preseason games and spend any time talking about the opponent because like who knows who they're going to play, who they're going to address. You don't get the lineups until like an hour before the game.

I will say this. Seattle is leaning into the I-5 rivalry. Did you see people trying to call it the I-5-alry? I saw it on Twitter. Don't do that. The Kraken are leaning into it now. That sounds like a mistake that Dollywood would make. Yeah, kind of.

And we'll see if he does it at 8 o'clock when he joins us on the program. They had an article sort of previewing tonight's game, but also reflecting how chippy Tuesday night's affair was. And John Hayden, who you'll remember scrapped Vilmer Ulrichsen in that Tuesday night game, said, quote, This is turning into a great rivalry.

It's good for both cities. Then get this, Jason. When asked about how the Kraken approached the game, he said, we had a pack mentality all night against the Canucks. So not only are the Canucks working on their pack mentality, so too are their I-5-les. Well, at least the Kraken are doing something to make themselves interesting. They have to try something.

Thursday night football. Last night, we're going to get Brady Henderson. Just thoughts on the game. The Cowboys pull it out. Yeah, the Cowboys got a win despite not having the football for hours at a time. It was a very strange game. 20-15 victory for the Cowboys over the Giants, as we are wont to say on this program,

not an oil painting, but a lot of it had to do with the fact that the Giants did an amazing job of possessing the football. Nearly 36 minutes time of possession, but you know what they didn't do a good job of? Scoring touchdowns. Yeah, that's important. They didn't score a single one of them.

Five field goals last night. So now they've played two games at home. They don't have a touchdown in either home game. Is it fair to say that Daniel Jones, when he takes the snap, he looks good. Like he looks, he's not immobile. He looks good.

He looks like he knows what he's doing. But then just his accuracy sometimes lets him down. So it's funny. We had a text come in this morning asking about that, saying Daniel Jones' contract is going to be an albatross around this. And I'm like, you saw that from last night? Because last night I thought was one of his better games. Yeah, but he's still like his deep ball can be tough to watch sometimes.

He hit Malik Davis for one good long pass he missed on a couple others yeah he was pretty accurate last day and the interception but i think that is are there if there's any giants fans out there is his accuracy his number one weakness yes yeah yeah and uh part and parcel that is the decision making that he has sometimes he makes really bad decisions where he wants to throw the football or maybe it just looks that way because his accuracy is bad well no he's like i didn't mean to do that here's what i think here's what i think it is i think he thinks he's a more accurate thrower than he is so he tries to make throws that like a handful of guys can make and danny dimes throw this through the eye of the needle. Three guys? Triple coverage?

No problem. Danny Dimes can throw it there. Brady Henderson is going to join us next. Preview of the Seahawks Monday nighter in Detroit against the Lions. You're listening to the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. A reminder, if you want to get tickets for tonight's BC Lions game, do it. The roar is back at BC Place for the BC Lions 70th season. Hamilton's in town tonight.

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Northstar Metal Recycling. They recycle. You get paid. Visit them at 1170 Powell Street in Vancouver. Brady's a big golf guy. Maybe he's going to come in and crow about the President's Cup, although he probably doesn't even care about it. Let's ask him now.

Brady Henderson from ESPN. A Ryder Cup guy, not a President's Cup guy. That's for Canada. The Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Good morning, Brady. How are you? Good morning. I have not watched the President's Cup nearly as intently as I do the Ryder Cup.

I think the, not to rub it in here, but the track record is pretty lopsided in that event. So I'm really more of a Ryder Cup guy. You're lopsided. Sorry. That's the international team won once. Is that right? I think they won once. Yeah.

A long time ago. A long time ago. In Australia, I think. I'll tell you what they won't be a long time ago a long time ago in australia i think i'll tell you what they won't be winning this one it's already over uh brady let's talk about this game uh against the detroit lions the seahawks are three and oh that's good but uh to be fair to any of the people that doubt them the seahawks have not really played a quality quarterback or maybe even a quality team. What does the Detroit Lions present to them in terms of the challenge? Yeah, that is really the main storyline of this game. And as obvious as it is,

I think it's a very real one, just because this team has not been tested the way that they're going to start getting tested over the next, I would really what five six weeks before they have their buy in week 10 i mean they get i would say one quarterback break uh there in daniel jones and but even then he's got some you know weapons that you know new england and denver doesn't have and so um yeah jared goff uh j Allen, Matt Stafford, Kirk Cousins, Brock Purdy, those are all the quarterbacks you face over the next five or six weeks and Goff is right there. So, and it's not just Goff,

it's the fact that it's a bunch of very talented players on that offense around him playing in a tough stadium. I know the Seahawks have had a lot of success there and just against the Lions in general, but those were far from blowouts. Those were shootouts that you win at the very end. Last year, I think it was the final drive and Tyler Lockett had that game-winning touchdown from Geno Smith. Those games have been neck and neck. It's a really tough environment and it's a much tougher offense than they faced. Are the Detroit Lions going to be especially pumped up for this one, considering that Seattle has come to Detroit and beaten the Lions a few times?

Yeah, and I think it's also, this is another season where, you know, for them the expectations have been raised, and that's been the case the last few seasons. I mean, they're a trendy Super Bowl pick coming out of the NFC, And it's also a very loud stadium. And one of the cool parts about it is most press boxes, I'm sure you guys have been a number of NFL press boxes or even up in Canada, they're usually enclosed. And so you get a pretty good feel for the crowd noise, but it's muffled a little bit behind the plexiglass or whatever that is. In Detroit, it's an open-air press box,

so you are basically sitting right above the fans. Nothing is in front of you to cancel out that noise at all, so you really get a feel for how incredibly loud it is in there. Gino Smith talked about that, talked about how it feels like the fans are right on top of you when you get into the end zone. And so you combine an already raucous environment with a Monday night when everybody's had a whole day to get lubricated and everything, then yeah, it's going to be a pretty fun atmosphere.

Well, let's talk about injuries now for the Seattle Seahawks. Kenneth Walker didn't play last week and they lost Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy during the game. They didn't return. What's going on? What are the updates with those injuries and any other injuries we should be discussing? Yeah, so they've practiced twice. They practiced Wednesday and yesterday. But because of the Monday game, they weren't required to release an injury report on Wednesday.

So the only one of those we've seen was yesterday. And they had six guys not practicing, including Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy, because of the injuries they suffered against Miami from what I've heard I think it's probably more likely that Murphy misses time misses a few weeks I don't know if it's necessarily an IR thing so it sounds like it could be something that's you know below or that's less than four weeks so maybe that's a week or two or three with Murphy it hasn't sounded quite as bad with Leonard Williams so I don't think Murphy's going to play in this game it wouldn't surprise me if Williams plays in this game and look man they loaded up on defensive linemen this offseason

and so that depth is going to get tested right away I mean that's they have a pretty good luxury of being able to you know not be in total shambles even without two of their top guys there, including the highest-paid defensive player in franchise history in Williams. We'll see what happens there, but some other guys, Jonathan Hankins, Draymond Jones, are going to have to step up, and Miles Adams is kind of a depth piece in there. In terms of the other injuries, an interesting one is Anthony Bradford, who did not practice yesterday because of a depth piece in there so um and then in terms of the other injuries you know an interesting one is anthony bradford who did not practice yesterday because of a knee injury and that's

already as you guys know a very problematic spot at right guard and that's just another variable there uh and we'll see what happens with anthony bradford but boy and mafe didn't practice yesterday but he you know he has been playing through that knee injury and then you know ken walker as you mentioned he was limited on thursday don't know Walker, as you mentioned, he was limited on Thursday. Don't know what he did Wednesday, but he was limited on Thursday. I think he plays just based on what Mike McDonald told us last week. And then Utena Nwosu, I also think that he plays, although he practiced to some degree on Wednesday.

We didn't get the injury report that day, so we don't know what he did. But then he didn't practice yesterday, so I'm not really sure what to make of that one. I just know that Mike McDonald said last week that New Wilson was optimistic about getting back this week. We're speaking to Brady Henderson, our Seahawks insider from ESPN, here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. So, Brady, I'm trying to figure out exactly what the Seahawks are about,

and more specifically, what they're going to be like identity-wise now that Pete Carroll's gone and Mike McDonald is in. The first three games, again, it's hard to read a ton from because of the opponents and especially the quarterbacks that they faced. However, I found your piece on ESPN right now, and I recommend everyone go read it on ESPN.com. New sheriff in town, how Mike McDonald is shaking up the Seahawks

post-Pete Carroll. Great piece, and the anecdote you've got at the start, I had heard about this very notorious test that McDonald brought from him to Baltimore, the physical testing at the beginning of camp, and I didn't realize it resonated as much as it did. Can you give our listeners a sense of what that was and how it really set the tone for what McDonald wanted to do with the Seahawks? Yeah, so players, when they report to training camp,

they typically have to pass a conditioning test just to show that they're fit to start practicing. And they all, different teams have different versions of the test, and it sounds like some are harder or easier than others. And this one that McDonald brought from Baltimore, I mean, the one that John Harbaugh has had his players do in Baltimore is known throughout the league for being very tough and so McDonald brought that test with him to Seattle and a handful of young players failed it

and you know even with as hard as that test is he didn't find that acceptable and he lit those players up and and he had some very choice words for them and then even called them out in in front of you know a much bigger group in front of the rest of the team just to drive the point home that um you know something like that wasn't going to be acceptable and so it's just that when i heard about all that i reported on that for a while i talked to a number of people about that just to get a really good feel for for what that situation was all about i think it really me, and I'm sure to a lot of players as well, really was a very early indication that this is a much different head coach in terms of leadership style than what they were used to with Pete Carroll. And Pete Carroll was not, I mean, he was, I think, demanding in his own way, but from ex-players that played for him, coaches that

coached under him, and just from what I saw covering the guy for 14 years, I don't think he ever lit players up that way, the way that Mike McDonald did in that case. And I've seen McDonald do it to another player, too, at training camp. And so I think the gist of the story, or at least that piece of the story, was that this is a coach with a much, much different leadership style than what Pete Carroll had. And look, the point wasn't to knock Pete Carroll,

who everybody knows is the best coach in franchise history. But I do really think, and I know that people in that building would tell you that, yeah, towards the end, they needed somebody who was going to run a tighter ship. I guess I should say the more fair thing to say was when they were interviewing McDonald, that really, his philosophy on holding players accountable, I think that really appealed to them because they felt that they really needed

that, just knowing how kind of the standard had slipped in the last few years of the Pete Carroll era. And guys, as I mentioned in the story, you know, Pete Carroll would give his players a lot of freedom, and sometimes guys would take a little more rope, so to speak, than he would give them. Brady, do you think that's tough for Mike McDonald to do as a really young coach? I mean, what is he, 37 or 38? And he never played football at a high level too. Sometimes that can be difficult for coaches to take that stance with professionals. Yeah, that's a good point about,

you know, I think, you know, when you have played in the NFL, that tends to give you credibility among players, and he didn't even play in college. I think the other aspect of that is, you know, if you notice the anecdotes that I mentioned in there, you know, it's McDonald really coming down on young players. I think that he's demanding of everybody. I think that he and a lot of other coaches who are like that, I think they really tend to give – they're very hard on young players. And the established veterans, I think they tend to give them a little bit more leeway or at least when they do come down on them, it's not done in the same way.

I mean, we've seen coaches like Matt Patricia. Remember, he was a spectacular failure in detroit and i think a big reason for that was because he went in there and tried to coach like bill belichick and tried to i think really treat all of those players the same and he didn't give those veteran players um you know the leeway that i think it sounds like mcdonald does and greg shiano in tampa a number of years ago, I think he was another example. So I think coaches like that, I think it only works a, if you hold yourself accountable, which he's done and he's owned up to game plan mistakes and other things like that. And then also when, you know,

you really are harder on the young players and then you give the veterans a little bit more leeway. Brady, we know we're got to let you go. I wanted to ask you more questions about this, but instead I'll just tell all of our listeners and any Seahawks fan, go read it. It's very cool. It's got a lot of really good details in it.

Job well done on the article. Enjoy the game on Monday. It should be a lot of fun. We'll do this again next Friday. All right. Thanks, fellas. Happy to pick up that conversation next time. In the meantime, take care.

Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. That's Brady Henderson from ESPN's NFL Nation are on our screen and said ESPN hockey. That was a good one. On the Halford and Brough show on Sportsnet 650. Oh, hey, dog. He doesn't even know.

What? He's so unaware still. The on-screen graphic said Brady Henderson, ESPN hockey. That's too bad. He switched. We did talk some golf with him um well yeah no brady's actually a hockey guy now mike mcdonald's fine system which is apparently much more rigorous and much more well kept strictly enforced than pete carroll's if you're even one minute late for a meeting you get dinged 500 bucks 500 bucks yeah and apparently what

brady said he really targets the young guys because those are the easy ones you got to get the the veterans on your side that's right because they'll help they'll help keep the young guys and you know how sometimes you can get the veterans on your side it's by chastising the rookies yeah publicly or fining the rookies and then giving the money to the veterans here you go. Apparently there was this anecdote. I had read this before, actually. There was an anecdote about, I think it was a couple of undrafted rookies

that made the team. Brushed off. Is this in Seattle or Baltimore? Yeah, in Seattle. Okay. Brushed off some kids that were hanging over the railing asking for autographs

after the players had been instructed to go sign. And McDonald went and chewed them out. Like he didn't get like a staffer to go do it. Like he went over there and he's like, go do that now. I think the organization realized that they needed to bring in someone who was going to run a tighter ship than Pete did by the end of things. Well.

There's a good and bad. There's like, it's all, it's, it's. There was two things. If you, if you, if you let, you know, Pete essentially let those guys be themselves. There's a good and bad. There was two things. Pete essentially let those guys be themselves. And sometimes there were consequences. But for the most part, when he was coaching guys like Richard Sherman, that group, they were just so emotional that if you got them emotional in the right way and you harnessed that emotion, it was a great thing.

But I think towards the end of Pete's tenure, when he maybe didn't have as much talent as some of those other teams did, Legion of Boom teams, especially on the defensive side of the ball, it kind of looked like he was just like guys were walking all over him. They weren't respecting him. A hundred percent, I think he lost the room, and we talked about that a lot last year yeah i also think and maybe even the bigger thing was they needed to dramatically change uh how they were coordinated on the offensive and defensive sides of the football

area like you've seen i don't know maybe you haven't but um chicago bears fans do not like shane waldron oh man they do not like shane waldron, man. They do not like Shane Waldron one bit. You did not either. No, I thought he was terrible. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny when you get these. That was surprising when they picked him up, eh? I was like, why would you take him?

We've got a very important offensive season. Let's go to a guy that did not do a very good job in Seattle. And he's won an only year as a coordinator. Because remember, when he was under McVay, he was just the passing game. He wasn't the offensive coordinator. He was the passing game guy. That was his role. And everyone was like, oh, the Sean McVay coaching tree.

You got to get a guy from McVay's coaching tree. They're all going to turn out to be great coaches and great coordinators. Well, Waldron came in. And I think the most, you remember there was that Jackson Smith and Jigba after the season was on a podcast and he was asked about Shane Waldron and he looked at the guy and he's like, are we live right now? And that was, that told me everything. Because Smith and Jigba never got the ball in positions that would have made him effective last year.

And it was a major head scratch. How many years was Waldron with the Seahawks? One. You sure? Yeah, he was the replacement for canalis he was a replacement for brian schottenheimer brian schottenheimer uh maybe two i think he was there too yeah either way but if he was there for two then he would have had gino's resurgence as the feather in his cap yeah and he but last year would have been yeah not whatever that was and what are you wearing your cap when when you haven't

done well you take the feather out and you put in your pocket for later and then defensively obviously mike mcdonald right yeah and look at the i mean i know they got gouged on the ground against uh new england in the second game of the week second game of the year but overall and i know they played against bad quarterbacks but they're tackling way better, way better. There's no yak yards like there were last year. So let's see how it goes in Detroit on Monday night. We could be singing a very different tune next week about the Seahawks. We do have some audio about Ian Clark from the most recent 32 32 Thoughts podcast. And not to take this personally, but I remember when this news broke and I was on the air with Josh Elliott-Wolfe,

Halford, you're on vacation. And I was like, guys, this is a big deal. This is a big deal. And people were like, it's not a big deal. He's still with the organization. Well, listen to this clip. I don't know how much longer Ian Clark is going to be with the Canucks organization. I think that it's known that Clark may move on with the Canucks blessing.

I think they're not going to stand in the way here if an opportunity opens for him. New Jersey already has a goaltending department, but, you know, he knows Jacob Markstrom well. So we'll see, you know, we'll see where some of these situations kind of move to. But, you know, I think people who follow that situation much closer than I have. They really felt that it was likely that after it was decided that, you know, Clark couldn't go on ice every day this season for his own health because of injuries he suffered, that, you know, maybe this marriage wouldn't continue. And I'm curious to see where it's going to go because even though it looks

like the relationship between Clark and the Canucks have kind of turned in a bad direction he's a really sharp guy who really knows goaltending and he really played a huge role in Thatcher Demko getting to be who he is and where he is so I think teams would definitely value that kind of institutional knowledge so we just need to rebrand this situation now do you remember uh in in ian clark we trust anytime that the canucks would run into any sort of goaltending issue in ian clark we trust yep now it's just marco terrenius in marco in marco we trust um you, I don't see what the rift is. It said right in Elliott's words there that they gave Ian Clark their blessing. Everything's great.

Everything's great. Everything's great. I'm not coping. You don't give someone a blessing if you're not happy. I like that you said you didn't take it personally. You're the Michael Jordan of not taking things personally. You took that personally. You didn't like the blowback, and I don't blame you.

Yeah. You had a read on this. He's still the development coach. I don't see. That was just in name only. They basically said, if you can't be on the ice every day, then come on, man. We got to go do something else then, right?

So basically, Brough is right, and you all should apologize to him. No, I'm not asking for that. It's not that. I'll defend. He's usually like that. Yeah, no, but brough is right and you all should apologize to him no I'm not asking for that it's not no but you were I'll defend he's usually like that yeah no but usually like brough was right I mean I'll I gotta give you credit it's not a

right and wrong thing it's it isn't though like it's just it's just sometimes you you need to be able to and sometimes Canucks fans sometimes adults aren't very good at this and we all have our blind spots

but sometimes when you hear news and it's potentially bad the first thing your brain should should not do is try and good at this and we all have our blind spots but sometimes when you hear news and it's potentially bad the first thing your brain should should not do is try and figure out why it's not bad right just take the news in as it comes there was clearly some bad blood between ian clark and the organization something happened now you could hear it in some of the comments from jim rutherford about thatcher demko and how hard maybe too hard he was being worked by ian clark in the drills now people's inherent mistrust or loathing of the media leads them to have a very visceral reaction and it's like it's not a big deal you're always trying to muckrake you're always trying to start

stuff you're always trying to look for controversy i understand why people look at it that way right because it is our job to a certain degree to amplify in some cases literally like i yell into a microphone i'm amplifying the message right yeah and so when something promotes storylines sure but i don't think we ever do it nefariously for the sole purpose of, as one guy said yesterday, clickbait. And he spelled bait wrong, which was tough. Yeah. It was a tough look.

It looked awkward. It looked awkward. I'm like, what do we do? What are you doing with your computer? I haven't done that on the air in years. And anyway. Clickbaiting. Clickbaiting.

Clickbaiting. Yeah. It's something very different. It's like the 30 Rock Googling bit with, you know, let me Google on your computer. He doesn't understand what the word Google means. What's the actor's name? Tracy Morgan. Tracy Morgan.

Thank you, Tracy Morgan, the legend. Anyway, the point is, Bruff was right. No, the point is. No, that's the point. No, no, no. The point is that it was obvious that something was up and your Spidey sense was accurate that it was a bigger deal than a lot of people wanted it. Don't say Spidey sense.

He won't. I also asked people that kind of knew. That's the other part. A text came in. Didn't Alvin say on the radio the other day that Ian was scouting now? Yeah, he did. He said he was away. He was away scouting. Scouting for a Yeah, he did. He said he was away. He was away scouting.

Scouting for a new job. Yeah. He was away from training camp, away from the organization, away from the players. That's what happened. He was looking at prospects of a new job. Yeah. Why don't you go look for some prospects in Europe?

You might see. Get out of here for a bit. You might see he's linked in. Okay, we got to go. We got to go to break. When we come back, we got a lot to get into. AJ's gonna join us from AJ's Pizza on East Broadway. A reminder, we're giving away a $100 gift card

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but hopefully they'll win a match. I don't know. They were significant underdogs heading into this President's Cup, and they lost the first day 5-0. If they come back to win this thing, it will be the greatest turnaround in golf history. So we'll talk to Adam Stanley about that at 7.05. 7.30, it's the Moj.

8 o'clock, it's Dolly Wall. We got a lot more to get into. Don't go anywhere. Hour one is in the books. You're listening to the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650.