Halford & Brough in the Morning - Potential Canucks Trade Targets

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

In hour two, Mike & Jason talk potential Canucks trade targets with Daily Faceoff NHL insider Frank Seravalli (1:18), plus the boys chat with Vancouver Giants video & skills coach Kayden Jarvis (28:00). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Kintec. To the phone lines we go. Frank Cervalli from Daily Faceoff joins us now on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Morning, Frank. How are you? Pretty good. How are you guys? We are well. Let's start with our Vancouver Canucks in action tonight.

7.30. Note the start time, everybody, at home against the... 7.40 puck drop. 7.40 puck. God, it's going to be so... We're going to the game tonight. We're going to get no sleep. It's going to be so late. Tomorrow's show. A-Dog, book like 10 guests. Book Frank again for tomorrow. Can you give us some more intel or insight on the defenseman market?

Yes, we're already going shopping ahead of the trade deadline, which is five months away. But as it pertains to maybe the Vancouver Canucks, what they're shopping, what they're looking for. Defenseman Frank, give us some news here. What do you got? I mean, news is scarce, I would say. Spe say speculation is always in style let's do it um look it no secret the canucks are are on the prowl they're always looking um to me it's at least what i've heard is they want to find a way to move the puck better.

And that's their, they believe that's a key inefficiency right now. And however they can go about attacking that, that's one of the key tenants of Rick Pockett's game plan and style is have to move the puck quickly out of your own end and have to get it into the hands of the forwards as soon as you can. The first pair is obviously really good at it, and I think there's a significant drop-off. So if there's a way to improve in the here and now, that's what they'd be looking for.

We hear so much in our text inbox about Rasmus Andersen and wanting to go get him, and my reaction is always like well first of all Calgary's off to a decent start to the season and also this is gonna be very expensive for whoever wants to pry Rasmus Anderson out of Calgary what do you know about the situation with Anderson in Calgary that he's not anywhere. So as much as everyone gets excited about the Canucks and Flames hooking up again after the couple trades that were made last year, the Flames don't have any intention of making a move. For one, it's also the start that you you mentioned but the other part of it is with

with anderson is they will they have a collection they finally believe of players that want to be in calgary and they've purposely and mindfully tried to quiet the noise there and they believe that's a key contributor to their success to start the season. Even though they've come back down to earth a little bit with three losses in a row, they still don't want to make any moves. And beyond that, I think the big question that the Calgary Flames ask themselves, and probably rightfully so, is if we trade Rasmus Anderson at some point and to be honest if you get closer to the deadline if he continues to play as well as he has this year they might not have a

choice come March I'm just giving you the here and now they might not have a choice if he plays that well but if you're moving Anderson what do you you have left mackenzie wieger i'm saying that's it like would they trade him too who else are you putting in your lineup on a night nightly basis yeah uh what about timothy lildregren in toronto um the leafs seem to be having trouble moving him. I don't think they're having trouble. I don't think time is of the essence yet. They're going to continue to wait to see, I believe,

the best deal that they can get. They're also hanging on to him in case they have an issue where they run into injury and have to, you know, you have to use it essentially right now with Phil Myers playing ahead of him. He's, he's more or less become the eighth guy. And that certainly is an untenable situation at 3 million bucks a year for a team that has roster considerations to make cap considerations to make once

Yanni Hockenpah's, or I guess I shouldn't say if Yanni Hockenpah, or I guess I should say if Yanni Hockenpah gets healthy enough to return to the lineup. So there's not a burning, raging fire there in order to move him. And look at some of the teams around the league that have already run into injuries. You see Utah makes the choice last night to go after Ole Mata in exchange for a third round pick, an extra third round pick that they had. Given that Liljegren is a right shot D and is five years younger than Mata,

even though he has the one extra year on his deal at the same cap hit, I don't think the Leafs are going to get much in value, but I don't think they're struggling to move them. I think there's been a few teams that have shown interest. It's just there's no real reason to pull the trigger at this exact moment in time. We're speaking to Frank Cervalli from Daily Faceoff here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Frank, what are you hearing about how long Connor McDavid will be out for the Edmonton Oilers. He'll definitely miss their game Thursday in Nashville, but how long after that?

It remains to be seen. Information is scarce. They're keeping this timeline close to their vest, whatever it is. Everything that I understand to this point more or less has the Oilers breathing a sigh of relief um my belief is is that he'll be something I don't know exactly what they're going to call it maybe week to week but I don't anticipate at this moment in time based on what I've heard that it's going to be much longer than two to three weeks is there other concerns in Edmonton right now?

I know that they're dead last in the NHL in goals, but we just spoke with David Amber, and he's pointed to the same stats that a lot of people have pointed to, that basically their expected goals, given their rush chances, slot shots, all that stuff, is high in the league. I know that they, I forgot that Drake Kajula was still in the A&M, played since 2018 or something like that,

but he got recalled temporarily while they try and figure out the McDavid thing. But big picture, is there any panic in Edmonton aside from Connor McDavid's health, or are they just figuring that this thing will solve itself over time? Well, yeah, I think the McDavid thing compounds certainly the start.

This is why you don't bleep around and find out is this guy that's supposed to be the engine of your team the best player in the world if you're thinking there's going to be someone that drags you out of this malaise you'd think it would start with him and yet there they were in columbus the other night he plays 37 seconds and they're sitting on the bench scared that's what it felt like it looked like um and so that that part the lack of urgency to me that was the most telling sign of the season so far that something is off now if you were to look at those numbers and 32nd in the league and goals for 32nd in the league and shooting

percentage like the San Jose Sharks have a multiple percentage point lead on the Oilers and shooting percentage that's that's crazy uh you'd think that they just even out and in fact if you told me those numbers and you said heading into the Columbus game that they're four four and one you know certainly the sky is not falling but the same dance of hey their expected goals for is a lot better and should rebound well you could have said the same thing to Jay Woodcroft last year and that didn't really help him much I don't get the sense that there's the same urgency and panic as there was last year, particularly because they've been through it. But definitely concerning to me the way they reacted on Monday night in Columbus.

How is Kyle Dubas going to turn this Penguins team around while Sid is still under contract? He's not. That's a good answer. I don't know any other way to answer it. Tell me where's the cavalry coming from. I don't know, man. I don't know. They have nothing in their pipeline.

I mean, I don't know about you, but a first-round pick from last June's draft, that might have looked pretty good. Instead, you traded that to San Jose for Eric Carlson at $10 million a year. You have to replenish and restock, and instead they tripled down. The double down came when they signed

Letang and Malkin previous regime, the Ron Hexall regime, to those contracts with significant term, the triple down was saying we are an Eric Carlson away from being a playoff team and Stanley cup contender again. Yeah. I just, I don't see it.

They, they're the second fastest team on the ice, like 78 games a year. And the only four that they're not are when they play the New York Islanders. So to me, I just, I don't know how they dig out of it. There's the changes that they made this past summer. They went the wrong direction, in my opinion,

on some of the players that they brought in and through it all, although Kirsten Jari has really struggled, they've gotten some really good goaltending from Yoel Blomquist. I don't see a path forward for this Penguins team, which has been the bottom quartile of the league, to have a miraculous turnaround. Yeah, you know what? They kind of reminded me of San Jose a few years ago.

Hey, Eric Carlson was on that team too, where you kind of look at them and they've got all these old guys signed to these big contracts and you're just going like, why do they keep doing this? And they kind of kept digging the hole and well, look at the San Jose Sharks right now. They're still not at the bottom.

Yeah. They've still got Logan Couture on books. They've still got Vlasic on the books. They've still got all these, they've used all their retained salary transactions. There's still more pain to come in San Jose. Yeah. I mean, that is the system, right? That's the hard cap system.

There's no easy way out of contracts. I did want to ask you about the Boston Bruins because I'm looking at the Atlantic Division standings right now. The Boston Bruins are in last place. They're 4-5-1 with a minus-7 goal differential. They just got shut out at home by the Philadelphia Flyers. What are you hearing out of Boston? It can't be satisfaction.

No, definitely not satisfaction, and I think that temperature was pretty high heading into the weekend. Then they got a win against the Leafss and that kind of quieted things down. On the one hand, if you are looking at the same standings and you see that, you know, you're three points, you're two wins away, essentially from being in second place, probably gives you a bit of a different feeling. And I would say on the whole, I'm still really bullish on Boston because I think their defense is really good I think that top four is extremely formidable with McAvoy Carlo

Zdorov and Hampus Lindholm I don't see that going anywhere I think the biggest concern for me is their scoring. Their top three lines have combined for a total of four goals so far this season at even strength. That sounds like an impossible stat, right? But you look at their fourth line,

which has been a strong contributor, and their defense, they've given them the bulk of their even strength scoring that should i would imagine will change when you have players like david and you think that the goaltending will also settle in so i don't have huge concerns about the bruins and i i expected a bit of a redistribution of points this year in the Atlantic because I said before the season started that all eight teams in that division will finish with at least 80 points.

We're looking pretty good in that department. Should be really close. It is hard not to look at Brad Marchand's start to the season because he's got the one goal in 10 games. He's a minus six. There was obviously the very public spat with his head coach, Jim Montgomery.

He kind of downplayed it. And then I was listening to Freed and Kyle on 32 Thoughts, and they were talking about how Freed put out that there was potential contract extension talks going on between Marchand and the Bruins. And then Marchand very, very publicly shot it down and said, no, that's false reporting. Freed just talking a lot about me lately, but that's false. Do you have anything else to add there on what's going on between Marshawn and the Bruins contractually or to the slow start to the season?

Well, I think lost in all of this is really the difficult summer that Marchand had. Torn tendon in his elbow, surgery for that, a dress and sports hernia in his groin, and also another sports hernia in his abdominal area. How many guys have three separate surgeries and hit the ground running to start a season. I was in Boston for the tail end of training camp and he had missed a week in camp just due to illness. No one's really talked about those four separate things kind of all piling up for a guy who is 36. So I think there probably should be a bit of a grace period in terms of his

start to the season and beyond that contractually i think there's so much respect for brad marchand that i don't really have any concern that this gets done um what that term and number ends up being, they've done a really good job in light of the Jeremy Swayman situation of keeping a lid on this one. And he's been pretty adamant that he's not going to negotiate through the media. It's funny that you mentioned that

because I remember when I came back from vacation, having been off all of August, and I saw the story that Brad Marchand underwentwent three off-season surgeries i was like i didn't know you were allowed to have that many surgeries in the summer like that's a lot right and yeah i mean it basically sidelines you for the entire off-season where guys don't take it off anymore they skate and they keep in shape so that's something they're gonna some guys take four plus months into the season to get going from one hernia surgery, let alone two. I think it's a little early to be barking at Brad Marchand.

You mentioned the Islanders earlier and how they are not a quick team. Yeah, not in good light. What's going to happen to them? Because they've got so many guys under contract. You look at the team and you're like, that's probably as good as it's going to get, right? And it's probably not good enough. So where do they go?

Yeah, I mean, I put on my Steve Buscemi meme here, and the backwards hat and how do you do fellow kids, but, like like they're the definition of mid are they not i i just they're they're not the worst team in the league by a wide stretch and they're probably like on the borderline edge of being a playoff team they don't play fast they've got a couple really good pieces but nothing really like super super elite it depends on where you would stack up matt barzell relative to the rest of the league and maybe sorokin but they're they're also all committed and it's been the same thing sort of year after year time after time and so if you're

looking at and saying well hey this is the last year of brock nelson's deal it is but he scored 34 last season and already has four and eight are you deleting 34 goals off your roster they'll probably give me the last year this is the last year of Kyle Palmieri's deal. He's done it in fits and starts on Long Island, yet he scored 30 last year. Are you deleting Kyle Palmieri? I just, I don't view them really as all that different than Pittsburgh, except at least Pittsburgh has star power and they've won three Stanley Cups as a core.

The Islanders, they don't hang banners for back-to-back runs to the conference final. And they've been living off of that for a while, also at a time when it was in the middle of a pandemic. Not saying it's a fluke that they got there, but they've been mostly the same team the entire time, and they're not scaring anyone we had the carolina hurricanes come through here recently and always intrigued by the front office given that they do things differently we had mike russo on from the athletic and he was talking about their front office executive rankings and you know how carolina always comes up in those conversations because they're unique and they're different and everything so in light of this i gotta ask you who is alexander nikishin

where is he playing right now why do you believe that carolina may have put some money aside to potentially bring him over later this year so nikishin is a third-round pick of Carolina from 2020. He's a left-shooting defenseman. He's 23, and he's playing with SKA St. Petersburg. And as a defenseman, he's piling up massive numbers. Last year, he had 56 points in 67 games. His second straight 50-plus-point season on the back end, and he scored 17 goals. He is in the final year of his deal with St. Petersburg. And the reason it's interesting

is because the Hurricanes did something that I didn't see anyone talk about or write about. But when the season started on their opening day roster, they signed a player on the eve of the regular season named Bryce Montgomery to a contract honestly I've never heard of him before in my life okay but what stood out to me was he had one million dollars in performance bonuses in his contract and everyone's like yeah okay so what guys on entry-level deals, they get performance bonuses. Yes, but the Hurricanes have made it a habit, like a few other teams, to not give those out.

So why did they do that for Bryce Montgomery, and why the heck was this guy that wasn't on anyone's radar, why did he make their opening day salary cap roster? The answer to that is because they have Jesper Fast on LTIR, they were able to sign Montgomery to this contract that allowed them some performance bonus cushion of $1 million on their cap. The next day, once the season started, they demoted this sixth round pick back to the AHL. But because he was on there for the opening day, they created this performance bonus cushion that they could then use later in the season to sign Nikitian from the KHL and give him a performance bonus that would be easily attainable

that could provide him essentially with an instant million bucks this season, even though he wouldn't earn that much on the cap because it would be prorated, that it could be a really nice enticement factor to bring him over and have him play games immediately in the NHL. And by the way, since he's on their reserve list, he wouldn't need to be on the roster

by the time the trade deadline hits on March 7th. They could sign him at any time and he could be eligible to play even in the playoffs. So really fascinating under the radar type of big brain movement that I think the NHL needs more of. Yeah. I was going to say like,

that's what you get when you get Eric Tulsky running the show. And I, there is that sense that it's like they're doing chess when everyone else is doing, I mean, not even checkers at this point sometimes, because that sounds like a complex one it's funny we're going to talk to seth jarvis's brother next on the show because he's a skill coach with the vancouver giants and

i was looking at his contract and that was one of the ones where it's got the deferred money and that was another one of the and i too i'm going to be dead honest i don't even understand how that works like i know what deferring means but I don't know how it works and what the cap savings are. But I know that Carolina did it. And shamelessly, I'll say, like, Carolina did it, so that must mean it's good. Or that it's smart. That's how I feel about their front office.

Well, then now you're seeing other teams do the same thing. So McCabe signs yesterday, and that also uses the deferred money. And, you know, it's just a copycat league. Everyone's going to try and do it. Frank, this was great, buddy. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

As always, we appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of the week. We'll do this again next Wednesday. Have a good one, guys. See ya. Thanks. Frank Cervalli from Daily Faceoff here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. We got a text in talking about every team, but the Capitals.

Okay, here's a little bit on the Capitals because they do deserve. We're getting Caps texts? Where's your Washington Capitals? Well, to be fair, they had a big win over the Rangers last night. 5-3. That was the game that Ray Ferraro was working for ESPN. Ovi had a couple of goals. They are now 6-2-0.

They're off to a really good start. You know who's the emotional heartbeat of that team? Dylan McElrath. Oh, he's a big boy. He just... He's a big boy. He can drop... He can throw them.

So for those that don't know, he's been around forever. Like, he's bouncing. I remember when the Rangers drafted him. Yeah, he was a first-round pick. Yeah. 10th overall or something like that. In the 2010 NHL entry draft. So he's not a young guy.

He's old. He's 32 years old. He's played for the Caps, the Rangers, the Panthers, and the Red Wings. And it's funny because when you watch him play, he still acts like he's a 21-year-old straight-out-of-the-Western-Hockey-League fighter. He fought Rempe last night and busted Rempe's face open. And I think it was Rempe.

Anyway, he got in a fight last night and he busted the guy's face open. And he was throwing his hands up in the air and going all crazy. And he was an afterthought when the Caps acquired him. I mean, he's a depth defenseman. But he's become this sort of spark for the weirdest team

right now sorry weirdest team in good division like the caps make no sense to me other than the fact that wish brought up a really good point the other day that almost because of the fact that like kuznetsov the problem of kuznetsov went away and the problem of Backstrom went away. It's actually easier to retool around one guy of aging core. Because, I mean, think about it. Oshie just went away. They broke down and they couldn't play anymore. And all of a sudden, you were able to add pieces around the existing core.

Isn't the existing core. It's just Ovi now. All the guys that he used to run with are gone, and they've been able to make this very – they are the team that are like, oh, that guy plays there now team. They have a lot of those guys, right? Chickering got hurt last night too, so we're going to have to monitor that moving forward for them.

But I actually like the story. Ovi scored two last night, by the way. Yeah. So two closer to Gretzky's record now. But they're an interesting team because it makes no sense, but they've stumbled upon it and they're going. He's on pace, by the way, for the exact amount of goals that it would take

to beat Gretzky this year. Can you imagine if he misses by one? He's like, ah, I gotta come back. Should've hit that empty net. You know what? Someone yelled it out. Sorry. It's Ovi and John Carlson. John Carlson is one of the old guys that's still there. Ovi, you haven't scored in seven seasons, but you're still playing. Tell us why.

I must complete my mission. Caden Jarvis, the skills and video coach of the Vancouver Giants. Also the brother of Seth Jarvis, but we won't bring up that. Take Caden and... That's all you ask him about? How's your brother doing? Yeah. Caden.

How does a deferred money work? We'll talk to him next on the Halford and Brough Show, That's all you ask him about? How's your brother doing? How does a deferred money work? We'll talk to him next on the Halford & Brough Show, and then iMac will join us in the hour three, which is the eight o'clock hour. You're listening to the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Hey, it's Jamie Dodd. And Thomas Drance.

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First doubleheader of the year. It's the all-Sasky affair, right? Friday, it's Saskatoon. Saturday, it's of the year. It's the all Sasky affair, right? Friday, it's Saskatoon. Saturday, it's Moose Jaw. That's exciting. Teams you don't see come to town very often, so should be good. Joining us now on the show to preview that and to look back on the season so far,

Vancouver Giants skills and video coach Caden Jarvis here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Morning, Caden. How are you? I'm good. How are you guys? We're good. Thanks for taking the time to do this. We appreciate it. So we will, in very short order, dive into everything that entails being a skills and video coach at the Western Hockey League level

and how you got into it. But let's start with the team's performance thus far. They are 7-4-1 so far in WHL action. Coming off a 3-1 win over Kamloops on Sunday. Second straight weekend of taking three or four points. So pretty good performances from the team thus far. How are the coaches feeling about where the Giants are at this early in the season?

Yeah, like you said, the last couple weeks it's been good getting three or four points. For us as a staff, the good thing that looking back on these last couple weekends is, you know, for the most part, we think we could have had all four. So for us, we're right there. We're competing in every game, and that's what we are really pushing the guys this year to do is, you know, we want to compete. We want to play hard.

And for the most part, we're doing that game in and game out. So for us as a staff, you know, the last two weekends have been really good for us. Eight of your first 13 games on the road. That's a lot of hotels. That's a lot of buses. How was it? You know what? It wasn't as bad.

It wasn't too bad. It's good to get it out of the way early and getting our Alberta swing done. It was good for the guys to bond early, some new faces this year. Getting them acclimated to the rest of the team and getting the understanding of the travel and what it takes and the toll it takes on the players. Getting those young guys a taste of it early was good. So I'm glad it's over with and a lot more divisional travel now, which is nice. But it wasn't bad.

It was good. Who are the funny guys on the bus? Oh, there's quite a few. Gronick is the first one that jumps to mind. We sit at the front, and he's all the way at the back, and we can still hear him. So there's a few times where we gotta yell back there but um he would be the the main culprit it's funny that you mentioned like you have to get them acclimated and get them prepped for example when i worked for the vancouver canadians they had the bus trip where

they had to go to boise and that was a nightmare trip i think it was like 16 hours or something no one no one can adequately prepare you for 16 hours on a bus like what do you actually tell the guys like be prepared to sleep on a seat or bring trail mix like i don't know what you do but you have to get them prepped for it because it's such a big part of the league for for sure yeah like you're like for the most part you're always you're always on the bus whether it's you know like two like three or four hours or when we make our swing like we drive all the way to Calgary. So that's 10 to 12, depending on that path. So we get comfortable, bring pillow, bring headphones.

Some guys bring yoga mats, just so they can kind of lay out across the floor. But yeah, just whatever you need to do to kind of prep yourself for that helps definitely in the long run. Do you do a lot of your work on the bus? Do you have your laptop out and you're the video coach? So is that where you're doing some of your work? Yeah, yeah, for sure. It definitely is like post game, especially if we're traveling back to Vancouver after a game, I'll try and get as much as I can done on the bus just because I can't go anywhere else I'm kind of stuck there so I want to get as much work as I can done going to the game though hopefully I had most of my work done prior

to that so I can kind of relax a little bit more going to the towards the game but definitely post game I try and get as much as I can done. Caden, let's talk a bit about your job as a skills coach. What are some of the things, like it's just such a kind of a broad thing, like hockey skills. What are some of the things that you have to work on with kids at the WHL level? So, yeah, like obviously it kind of varies between like player to player and, and for us as a staff, kind of what we're looking for out of our guys and some of the, the main themes that we,

we want them to accomplish and they play with. So like a big one is getting like inside and getting underneath sticks. So we spend a lot of time, whether it's watching clips or in practice, just the skills that involve that. So whether it's like the timing piece, body position, a big part of skating, like being able to stay balanced, working through contact, working through pressure, just like things like that. So main themes that us as a staff, we've identified, we want to try and play like. And then individually with the players, you know, we'll sit down and kind of map out, you know, what they want, how they want to play,

what are the things that they want to try and get better at. And then we'll tie that in. So when we do have individual time with them, either before or after practice, we can kind of work on what they want and what they think they need. And then during practice, it's a little bit more the team. Are the players good at coming to you and saying, hey, I've been having trouble in whatever situation. Tell me how to do this, or do you normally have to go to them? I would say for the most part, they're, um, they're all pretty good at coming to me. Um,

so that's nice. Uh, there, there are times where, um, you know, maybe it's something small that, that we're seeing that, um, they don't think is a huge part of their game but it happens you know quite a few times in like during the game so that might be a situation where now we have to go to them and say hey like this is and this is you know the last few games has arisen as a little bit of an issue um we got to clean this up so there is there is a little bit of that give and take uh but for the most part, they're self-aware. They know what they need to work on. And they understand that in order to get to the next level, there's going to be things that maybe aren't as fun that they need to work

on or things that maybe they don't want to, but they need to in order to get to that next level. Yeah. How much of it do you end up saying, like, is a technique? Like, you've got to learn this technique, or isn't some of it, I mean, it's hockey, it's a hard game. Sometimes there just has to be a willingness to do it. For sure, like, everything's kind of situational, but there definitely is that willingness of, you know, it's not always easy being the first in on pucks. You know, you're going to's not always easy being the first in on pucks. You know, you're going to take a hit here and there,

but it's that willingness to get there first, right? So there definitely is kind of that fine balance between the two. But within all that, you know, you have to be able to beat someone. You have to be able to, you know, get inside. You have to be able to take that early step so that there are skills that are involved but at the end of the day it comes down to if the player is willing to do it or not how much do you use nhl video when you're talking to uh these players because i mean when you first talked about you know getting inside and you know i was thinking like i was like oh connor garland is is perfect at that like he's

a small player but he's just like must be infuriating to play against because he just never gives up on pucks and you know I'm thinking about a guy like Cameron Schmidt on your team could probably learn a few things from Connor Garland for sure yeah especially early in the year where um you know we have some video from year, but it might not be up to date. So we'll definitely use a lot of NHL clips just to kind of show the players, you know, what we're looking for. Obviously nowadays players are a lot more comfortable like on their phones or watching video just because they've grown up with it.

So we found that they seem to like those clips a lot better than us just drawing that up on the board. So, yeah, we'll use NHL clips. And then as the season goes along and we start to accumulate a little bit more of our own video, we'll kind of tie it in with those clips that we show, hey, you know, Schmitty, look, you did exactly what Conor Garland did

right here. So we'll kind of use the two, but definitely early on, it is a lot of NHL clips. We're speaking to Caden Jarvis, Vancouver Giants skills coach here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Okay, I do want to ask you one thing about your brother. So for those that are unaware,

listeners that are unaware, Caden is the older brother of Seth Jarvis, who was just in town with the carolina hurricanes he was a 13th overall pick in the nhl draft he scored 33 goals in his third year in the league and he just signed a 63 million dollar contract so pretty good player at the nhl level um growing has he bought you anything right that's my next question uh so growing because you i mean, you're around junior age players all the time. You see guys that you're like, well, this one's got a shot to go to the next level. This one's really special. At what point did you realize that your younger brother had something that a lot of other kids didn't

and that he was going to be a real player to the point where he's like a bona fide star at the NHL level? Yeah, it's funny. Well, to answer your first question, no, he hasn't bought anything yet. We're hoping someday soon. The second part, like in Winnipeg where we grow up, you know, like hockey was obviously huge, but for the most part, you played within, you know, the Manitoba kind of circuit. So there wasn't too much going out and about.

Academies weren't a huge thing back when, like Seth's first year when he was 14, that was the first academy in Winnipeg or in Manitoba. So they were just starting to come onto the scene then. And then that's where you got to see a little bit more of, you know, the Alberta players or the BC players a little bit more. So I would say probably that 14 age, you know, you, you got, you got to see him against other competition, which was good. But then it probably wasn't until, you know, 16 was his first year in Portland and he had a decent years, like still struggled a little bit, still

had to learn a lot about the league. And then at 17, he did really pop off. But it wasn't really until that 14-15 where you're like, OK, he's pretty good compared to other players in Western Canada. Because that was really kind of the first time that you were able to see them consistently against each other. And what is it about him that makes him so good? For me, the biggest thing is just his competitiveness. He's the most competitive person that I know. He wants to win at anything he does.

He'll let you know. He's got that little bit of cockiness, swagger to him. But he's competitive and he just works. He knows what he needs to do, what he needed to do to stay at that level, and he just put his nose down and did those things. So those would be the two things that I'd say helped him get there for sure. Was he always competitive?

I mean, he's your little brother. Do you remember him being competitive when he was like three or four? Or when did it start? Yeah, definitely. Because we're six years apart. So quite a big age gap. So I remember right from the get-go, like he would be at my hockey games with a mini stick in the lobby,

like slashing other parents, like just for fun, and like running around. Whenever my buddies would come over, he would always want to play with us. And my parents were really good about it. They had one rule, and it was, okay, Seth, if you want to play with Caden and his friends, they're not going to take it easy on you, so you're not allowed to cry.

You can't cry, you can't whine, you can't complain, because they're not going to play down to your level because he was so much younger than us. And, you know, there were moments where we pushed him and, and, and he just kind of stood there and then fought back. So, um, right from a young age, you knew that like, if anything, he was going to be competitive because he grew up kind of in that, in that situation. Okay. This was awesome, man. Thanks for taking the time to do this today. We really appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time to do this today. We really appreciate it. Best of luck with everything moving forward this season.

Let's do this again later on down the road. Awesome. Thank you so much, guys. Thank you. Caden Jarvis, Vancouver Giants skills coach and brother of Seth Jarvis here on the Halford and Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. That's a good lesson for parents. No crying.

Don't allow it. It's true. Don't stand for it. There's no crying in baseball. It's really a sign of weakness. It's a sign of weakness in a three-year-old child if they're crying. I mean, it is hilarious how many stories you hear of professional athletes who were little brothers. Oh, yeah.

It's just inherent competition. As a parent, I mean, you don't even have to do that much. You just have to have one rule. Don't cry. And then you're like, my work here is done. you know where you see that a lot goalies yeah they're always the one stuck in that and you end up being the goalie it's always the younger sibling yeah because I mean it is a great great message to have is like they're not going to play down to your level because I think some parents would inherently do that like include your brother

goalies can probably cry a lot though because you have the mask on that's right you can see you hide a lot of the tears you can see the shoulders going up and down pretend you go for a water drink do it over there oh he's fine i'm a big boy today i'm a big quietly whispering to himself to build up the confidence okay uh we are honing in on the final hour of the program here on the health and breath show on sportsnet 650 uh sorry we're honing in on it yeah we're 10 minutes away from it. Okay. Yeah. iMac's going to join us.

I don't know. What? That's a funny way to say it. I don't think it was that big of a stretch. I was honing in on the final hour. Some of the stupid stuff that I say, that was pretty low on the scale. It was actually pretty smooth. Yeah. I was like, that seems like a relatively minor gap.

He's all proud of himself, and then ADOG comes trying to- I wasn't even proud of it. I just, of all the things that drew your interest. We've turned the radar on. We're honing in on this. On the Doppler. IMAC is on the radar. He's going to join us at 8. And then at 8.30 we're going to do what we learned. Why don't we spend a few, unless you

have something you want to do. I've got a few texts that I wouldn't mind reading. Sarah from Edmonton. How is there such a lack of right-handed defensemen? Do right-handers become golfers and lefties become hockey players? There is a disproportionate amount of each in golf and hockey respectively. So when you play hockey, like I never did this, but I should shoot left, but I shoot right. Because what you're told essentially is that your dominant hand

should be on the top of the stick. Are you left-handed or right-handed? I'm right-handed. See, I'm left-handed but I also shoot right. I'm sorry, I'm left-handed but I also shoot right. That's correct. Yeah, that's correct. Your dominant hand should be at the top of the stick. But yours isn't. Mine isn't

and that's why I'm not in the NHLl i didn't have parents that told me and i just picked up why so i i cried uncontrollably there was also a lot of crying why is it forward wearing a goalie mask yeah so i so i'm i'm i'm right-handed i i shoot right i i hit right i you know my my golf swing is right and I'm bad, but you know, you're, you're, you're basically, you know, like if, if anyone knew what the hell they were doing with me, my parents, uh, they would have said, okay, put

your, put your dominant hand at the top of the stick. So that's why you see so many lefties in the NHL. So it makes sense that there's, uh, and you don't, you don't have to do it like it's it's not like it's not like an absolute rule people are ambidextrous right they can do either way yeah and but why does it feel more natural to you though i'm curious to shoot right if you're right-handed what are you doing i think it was just it wasn't something i was told it just felt

naturally shooting with my bottom hand right Right? It just feels more natural? It feels more natural. But, you know, like, again, I'm not good. So, like, that's not where you should be. Like, if I pick up a hockey stick and try and shoot left-handed, it feels weird to me. This theory goes even further, too, by the way. Because if you look at Canadian baseball players,

disproportionately left-handed hitters. And the theory is it's because they pick up a hockey stick first, learn to use their dominant hand at the top, and then when they go to pick up a baseball bat, they do the same thing. So you get, the Team Canada for baseball is just loaded with lefty hitters.

They're scouring for righty hitters. It's a nightmare when there's a lefty on the mound. And that's the theory behind it. It's hockey. The Athletic wrote about this last March around the trade deadline because it's the annual, like, we got to get a right-handed defenseman around the trade deadline because they do the annual, like,

we got to get a right-handed defenseman at the trade deadline. So they did a deep dive into why there's so few. There were 301 defensemen that played in the NHL last season. Right handies, as I call them, the handies, 126. So it's not super disproportionate. That means there's like, basically, it's 180 or 170 are lefties and 120, 130 are right. But how many of them are being forced into the lineup? Yeah, because they're right-handed.

That's the thing. Only 10% of the world, according to Google, is left-handed. So a lot of guys are probably – There are definitely some right-handed players in the NHL that shoot right. I'm not saying that Kevin Bieksa is definitely left-handed because in the NHL that shoot right. So there's the one... I'm not saying that Kevin Bieksa is definitely left-handed because he shoots right. It's not 100%.

I'm just saying that's typically what's taught. So the theory in this same athletic piece is that a player should choose which way they shoot by deferring to their dominant hand and then placing that hand at the top of the stick. But given that a large percentage of humans have the right hand as a more dominant, it would hold the most hockey players would place the right hand at the top

of the stick and be classified as left-handed players. So that's the, I guess the, the human element to it, how it's played out at the NHL level is not only are there – now, it's two parts, though. It's not just righties, but dominant, like good righty defense. You can have a right-handed defense, but he could suck, right? I think it's hard to find good defensemen, period.

It's true. Do you know what I mean? And I think a lot of it started with the crackdown in interference and holding guys up, and you're just asking a hell of a lot of defensemen these days. Yep. You're asking them to defend in their own end, so you want the big guys that can win battles and box out,

and you want the length so players can't cut to the middle of the ice easily. Oh, but you also have to be able to move the puck. Yeah. You also have to be really nimble and make a good first pass and sometimes be able to skate it out. You know, back in the day when interference was essentially allowed and in order to get a hooking penalty, the guy had to basically fall. You know, you could have a big lumbering defenseman that could survive based on interference and that was the way the game was played now and now you see this this debate that we have in vancouver actually right like okay well what's the best makeup

of the group do you only have two puck movers or three i mean they had gone with essentially like the ideal is to be able to have a big dude that can do it all yeah you know but that's very rare that is a very rare proposition to find i've i was thinking about this uh during the baseball season when shohei Otani was assaulting the record books. And the notion of a, not positionless, but more position-fluid player. Would it not stand

to reason that at some point someone introduces the idea of a guy who's trained as a center and a defenseman? If Otani's value and his ability to do both because he's so athletic allows him to pitch and hit at that high a level.

I think taking draws is such a refined skill. That's what I'm saying. Is the next evolution of the hockey player someone that can do the two most important positions, non-goalie division, because that's a bridge too far. You can't have a guy play net in the first period and then play center in the second period, although that would be amazing.

I wonder. I mean, we're talking like big galaxy brain stuff here, but I do wonder if it'll be you start training kids so it's like, well, he can play the blue line, but he can also play down the middle, right? IMAC is going to join us next. We'll continue on this terrific conversation about left-handedness and right-handedness.

It is interesting, actually. Maybe we won't continue on with IMAC. There are a few texters like you, Ruff. They're in your situation. Well, yeah, definitely. But they're not in the NHL. They're texting into a morning sports talk radio show. There are dozens of us.

We'll talk to IMAC about the Canucks and any changes we might see as they face the New Jersey Devils tonight at Rogers Arena. 7.30 start. If you're planning on watching or if you're going, like Halford and I are, we're going to be disasters tomorrow.

On the Halford and Brough Show on Sportsnet 650.