Halford & Brough in the Morning - Ray Ferraro On If Petey Will Respond To The Pressure

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

In hour one, Mike & Jason chat with NHL analyst Ray Ferraro (1:25) about playing under pressure, and if Elias Pettersson will respond well to it, plus the boys tell us what they learned (27:00). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Well, I woke up to the snow today and I was like, huh, planned part of my morning. It looks like the driveway is not going to shovel itself. There you go. Don't you, you have your sons. That is a good workout. Yes. Yeah. Don't you, don't you have a bunch of kids around? They're helpful. Yeah. Hey dad, look, they're not.

They're not snowing. They're not helpful at all, are they? No, we should do something about that. Hey, before we get into the topic of the day, the Canucks and Avalanche, I wanted to ask you about the game you worked on the weekend. JT Miller's first game as a New York Ranger in Boston, what was that like?

He was terrific. I anticipate he was running mostly on fumes. I think he got to Boston about three. Once the trade was finished and completed and signed off by the league, they got a plane and zipped into Boston. The game was at 3.30 in the afternoon. I've had that happen where you get traded at night. I get traded from Atlanta to St. Louis. By the time I got organized the next morning, I left early, there were no charters back then, and I got to St. Louis about four o'clock

for a seven o'clock game, and two chicken sandwiches from Wendy's as a pregame, and had a goal in the fifth and then slept for like days, you know, like it just crashed, but he looks familiar in that uniform. He knows people like him and Trocheck are really tight. I noticed right away he was like, you know, he's on the power play. He doesn't really know where to go.

And so he's got, you know, how he conducts those meetings in the ice. And I'm like, he's conducting the power play. He doesn't really know where to go. So he's got, you know, how he conducts those meetings in the ice. And I'm like, he's conducting the same meetings just with four different guys. And I'm like, you know, like his, one of the things I said in the game, everything that Miller is, the Rangers don't have. Like, you know, he's loud. He's physical. He's mean You know bold player the Rangers are a really quiet group if you think about the outside of the throw check You think about the the players in their top of their you know, Fox doesn't say much. He's not a real outwardly aggressive guy Crier is not that Panarin is a bandageaniad, they're,

they're all pretty quiet guys. And so I, you know, and then he had a fabulous day. I mean, he was, he was terrific. So, um, yeah, he's, he looks happy and, um, I assume he's, you know, they're, they've made some changes to the lineup because of him. You know, they, they pushed the bandaged ad to the wing and see how long that lasts, but you know, it gives them options, options of a very good player. Meanwhile, in Vancouver, uh, we're left to talk about Elias Pedersen and the pressure that he's going to be under, uh, now that Miller is gone.

Um, how do you think he's gonna react to it? I think we saw the ways it could go on whatever day that was, Sunday, right? The first two periods he appeared like on the outside of the game, Tim had been skate very well, didn't have to puck much. And then the third period, I was actually sitting with Landon and I was like, well, where was that before?

Like he looked fantastic. It was all over the place. He had jump in his stride. He attacked with the puck. They should have had between him, Besser and Debrusk, they should have scored three or four times in the third period. They just didn't happen. Um, he gets the chance and overtime and right when he goes to shoot it, the puck flips up flat on his stick and you know, he ends up launching it way over top of the net. Um, I, and the reason I say this is I don't really know what the future is except in the past, we've seen both great and not so great. We've seen average, you know, like a 70 point guy.

Like I think he could stumble around out there and get 70 points anyway. But yeah, like I just think he's that he will get that anyway. That's not what we're talking about though. Like we're talking about somebody to be a centerpiece of a team, that of a forward group, somebody that can control the play when he's on the ice. And by the way, when I say control, I don't mean that every time he's on the ice, he get a scoring chance. The game does not work like that. It just doesn't. But there's chance. The game does not work like that. It just doesn't. But there's what the difference between when he skates and doesn't is literally night and day. And

so is that pressure? Is that being unsure? Not not strong enough or healthy enough or like I don't even really know what it is but I think he internally welcomes the pressure but it's another thing to go and attack the pressure like you can't let the pressure come to you you have to you have to you have to push right into the game and that's what really really good players do you know what's gonna be tough for the Canucks if they have to make a decision before the no move clause kicks in is that I wonder if a really

good off season of training is exactly what Elias Pedersen needs because his skating and his burst doesn't seem to be there, but if that's what they decide, it's a heck of a risk that that would be the thing. If they're like, okay, we'll keep him. His no move clause will kick in. Hopefully he has a good off season and then

you're like fingers crossed for October. Yeah. Okay. So the season ends in the middle of April. Last year, I think you guys might know, like they played till the first of May or something, or thereabouts in that first week of May, and that was the second round. And that was a really good accomplishment. So in the time that, well, between now and then, and then from whenever they're finished to the 30, the 29th of June, you have runway to see what the training is going to look

like. Here's where it gets tricky. It's easy to say, I want you to stay in Vancouver and I want you to train under our trainers. And so we have an eye on you all the time. It's really easy to say that the player is under no obligation to do that. If he wants to go back to Sweden, he can go back to see Sweden. If you don't have, if you don't have the sense that the training is going to go the way you want it to go, if that's, I mean, that's what we're talking about here,

then you got till the 29th of June to figure it out. You can have all kinds of conversations until then. You can set up three different deals if you want, say, I'll tell you on the 29th. Right? Like, there is no rule against that. What is really critical is the player has to understand, like the player in this case being Pedersen, that the Canucks moved JT and now a lot of the future sits in your hands, what you want it to be. And if you trust that, if you're the Canucks that he's going to respond, then there really is no decision. If you don't trust it, then you're pushed into a really tough decision. And here's something I've heard over the last few weeks from media.

It doesn't matter, but the fans are emotional and they can say whatever they need to say and want to say, because that's what being a fan is. But when I hear from the media, well, I wouldn't have done that. I would have done this. I would have traded him three weeks ago. It's irrelevant what those conversations are publicly, because people don't know. They don't understand that it's not,

it's what you would do do really. What if the other team doesn't want the player? What if the other team doesn't want it at your term? What if the team wants you to hold back $3 million? There's 50 different variations of that deal, but it all comes down to the trust between the team and the player that Pettersson will be between the team and the player that, that Pedersen will be that type of player come July 1st, because it's a whole new ball game on the 1st, as opposed to the 30th. Were there any tips that you picked up during

your career on how to play when you're under a tremendous amount of pressure? Well, I watched guys that had that pressure. I could feel the pressure, but I wasn't at the level where a team was saying, okay, look, you're our number one guy, you're the guy that has to carry the offense or push the offense, right? But I watched guys do it and the best of them,

they basically said, F watched guys do it and the best of them, they basically said, F you do it. Like they just waded straight into it. It, you know, it's like walking into the ocean. They just like kind of walked right in and, um, and they did it differently, right? Guys did it differently. You know, Ronnie Francis did it pretty quietly. Pat LaFontaine was a, you know, like a, he wasn't a really loud guy, but there was an energy to him. Messier did it, you know, the way he did it for all those years. Yeah. I mean, how about if you see one of those elbows on your, on your feed and then they lean in to about nine more of them and you're like, oh, you're brutal.

Were we discussing that with you because for some reason Instagram thinks I want to see Mark Messier elbows all the time. Same. Like it's, it's crazy. I'm like, no, I want to see cats. Come on. Yeah.

The one that he hits the rushing guy behind the net and they go, well, it looks like he got his elbow up a little bit there. The guy's head's rolling around like a bowling ball. It was like unbelievable. Um, but those guys, like they all did it different, but they just, they did it with, like with their chin up, right, chest out. And they just like, like they just accepted it and, and pushed back on it.

If you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you Like with their chin up, right? Chest out. And they just like, like they just accepted it and, and pushed back on it. If you, it can, it can clearly overwhelm people. I mean, we've seen it in, in all kinds of sports and like in all different variations, right? It could be something as, you know, I'll say small, but how critical is it? Like a kicker, it goes out there and sometimes you look at them and you go, Oh my God, that guy is like, he is like nervous as all hell. And then other guys go out there and they're like, Hey, you can, as long as he can kick it far enough, it's going to go in.

Like you don't have any doubt. Same with quarterbacks or pitchers. I mean, like you, you just see it all the time. And, and PD is going to be under a great, great pressure that the one thing he can't do is try to please everybody. Yes. You can't, you cannot do that. You can't, your fans are yelling to shoot and

you think it's a pass, you got to pass it. You know, like that's just a simple example. Like you have to play the game that's in front of you. You were drafted in a position and paid simple example. Like you have to play the game that's in front of you. You were drafted in a position and paid in a position that people have faith that you can be a difference maker and he has to have the same faith in himself.

I think the, I think the, you, you kind of nailed it with the word acceptance. Like just accept that you're not going to be able to please everyone. And you know, Mike and I and the dogs and probably you Ray are as guilty as anyone of like complaining about stuff that we can't control. Like I hate what that guy said in the text inbox or I can't believe anyone would think that who would

send that to me on Twitter or Axe like, you know, and you're like, yeah, but like, that's what you signed up for. Like, do you think everyone is gonna sit here and agree with all your opinions on hockey and they're gonna be like, wow, Jason Brough, the smartest mind in sports radio ever, right? Like, the whole thing that we sign up for is, you know, to have a sports discussion show

and debate topics. And some people are going to disagree with you and they're going to be mean about it. The one thing that I've always realized about like, or noticed, not realized, noticed about Pedersen is he has this line that he always goes to is like, I don't want to make a headline for you when he's talking to the media.

And my response is kind of like, you're Elias Pedersen, you could go to the grocery store and make a headline. That is the life you've chosen, especially resigning in here in Vancouver. So just accept it. Like he didn't, he didn't really choose that. Right?

Like that just comes with it. Yes. Like there's, there's a difference to that. Like, do you think, I mean, looking at his personality for however many years he's been here, do you think he chose the spotlight? Do you think he chose more people talking about him?

Not a chance. I think he liked it when times were good. Who doesn't? Well, that's what I'm saying, right? Yeah, but you don't choose it. You just play and it comes with you because you happen to be really, really good. The point I think you're, I think we're talking

about is you don't have a choice. Like it's common anyway. Yes. That's my point. Yes. And it's much easier though, like I know this, and you know, with my experience slash age, is that I do know what's coming and I do know some people are going to like what I say and I know some people

are going to hate it and think that I'm an idiot, albeit that they wouldn't go to a mechanic and tell them how to fix their car yet because they played or didn't play, they think I can be a complete freaking moron about the game. You know, it's like, it might be a bad example, but that's, that's kind of taken me years and years to go. It doesn't matter that I have experience or that I've been around the NHL for 40 years. It doesn't matter that Pedersen was a, you know, was a hundred point player. It doesn't matter if somebody wants to critique it and crap on you.

They're gonna, that's just, it's just the way it is. If you're sensitive to it, which I think when you're in your twenties, you're far more sensitive than you are. Now, like do you even really give it damn anymore? You're like, whatever, like this is my opinion. You like it or you don't like it. That's my job. I have to do it.

Sometimes if I'm having a bad day, it bugs me more than others, but at the end of the day, I'm kind of like, yeah, this is what I signed up for and this is part of the fun. But if you did it, but if you guys did this when you were in your twenties, do you think you would think the same way? No chance.

So this is a really, um, I don't know if intense is the word, but a fishbowl market, right? Like whatever you do, everybody is going to talk about it around the team. Um, because the team is the biggest game in the city and there's going to talk about it around the team because the team is the biggest game in the city and there's going to be great and there's going to be tough with it and that's just the way it goes. It's easy to say, well, don't pay attention, don't read social media. That's easy to say, but really hard to do. It would be really beneficial, but who lives that, you know,

in a bubble like that anymore? Like nobody, like everybody has some form of something that leaks into their life that probably wouldn't be helpful. I'm telling you, if he can accept this and just, and just kind of let it go telling me if he can accept this and just kind of let it go and just play, he'll be so far better off. It's so much easier said than done. It's so much easier said than done. Oh man, it's so easy.

Isn't it ever, why don't you just get some confidence home? Sure, I'd like to. However, every time I touch the puck, I beat it up like a, you know, just beat it into pulp. So like the third period yesterday or the other day, I, honestly, I can't remember the last time he played with such energy and look at what happened. Like there was one, there was an energy on Sunday to the Canucks. It's not been there a lot.

Like, I think if you look at that game in totality, like there was an energy, a quickness, an aggression that often hasn't been there on any consistent basis. And he's gonna be the leader of it. You're not gonna be a speech, but he's gonna be the leader of it. Speaking of that game on Sunday, I know we only got a few minutes before we got to let you go.

What did you think of Heedle? I've seen him play a lot. He is, well, as you saw, just a dynamic skater. When he gets going, he's sneaky big. He's much bigger than he might look on the ice. He's a powerful skater, strong. His game is transporting the puck. In New York, there were, like I wondered,

I said to Landon when we were watching overtime, I said, I wonder if he said like, what am I doing out here? Because in New York, you never get to go out there. Wait 14 minutes a game. So this opportunity in front of Hidal is enormous for him. Like I, there, there are injury concerns that have been in there, that have been there. Um, I mean, there's everybody knows about that.

And the, the hope of course, is that those stay in the back. There were, if you remember, injury concerns about Sidney Crosby. Same thing. Would he ever be a player? Well, he's played 1600 games. So players will react how, and whatever the good fortune hopefully is in front of you,

there was a road in front of him to, he's not a 40 point player. He's a 60 to 70 point player. That I think. Because there's gonna be opportunity. He's a 60 to 70 point player, I think. Because there's gonna be opportunity. There's gonna be opportunity, he just never got. Like to say in New York, oh he played on the second power play,

he played on that power play as much as me and you did. Like those guys never come off the ice. Right. Right, they get out there with like 14 seconds left and you're like, oh yeah, so he plays the second power play. You know what? What is the goalie? We had Larry Brooks on the show yesterday to get out there with like 14 seconds left and you're like, Oh yeah, see he plays the second power play. You know what?

What was the goal like? We had Larry Brooks on the show yesterday and his review of Heedle was glowing to the point where I was like, did I miss something in New York? Because I looked at it and the only, I mean, granted it's a team that's on the, I'm on the outside looking in, but I was just like, Heedl to me, the only story was that he was hurt all the time, so no one ever got a really great look. And Larry was saying, fantastic player, fantastic person. He always felt bad for him that he had gone through

so many different health issues. I think the line that he used was, you never know when his next hit absorbed is gonna be his last. And I was like, yeah, that makes sense. But he was very, very complimentary of Heidel, which, and then of course we watched on Sunday, right? Yeah, two years ago they played this Kib line,

they called, right, it was Heidel and Kako and Lafreniere. And the Rangers went to the, that's how the years come together. They either went to the seventh game of the second round or they went to the conference final. I can't quite, I can't remember. It was the second round. It was the years come together. They either went to the seventh game of the second round or they went to the conference final. I can't quite, I can't remember. It was the second round. It was the conference, yeah.

And they were fantastic. Like they were the most talkable part of that team that just, all three of them just exploded onto the scene. Now two of them are gone. It's funny how, how sport is, right? Two of those three players that were such a big part of the of them are gone. It's funny how how sport is right two of those three players that were such a big part of the Ranger future are gone. Heedle is a it's easy to see what a player hasn't done from the outside but when you watch when you get the opportunity to watch them a lot it is

it's a different it brings you a different perspective. I think he's a really, really good player and I'm excited to see what can happen for him here because there's, as I said, there's going to be opportunity that just was not his fault, not the Rangers fault, just not available to him when he was in New York. And no, he's not going to play in front of Trojack, he's not going to play in front of his advantage ad. Like that's the way it goes.

Yeah. Get that time in his career. It's just not going to happen. And now he's got a chance here. Well, Ray, have fun calling the game tonight. Uh, Canucks in Colorado, we won't agree with all of your analysis, but you know what? That's okay.

That's what you signed up for. I know I signed up for not to get texts from you. That's what I signed up for. See you buddy. See you Ray, thanks. Have a good week guys, you be well. You too, thanks. That's Ray Ferraro here on the Halford and

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Hour two of this program brought to you by Jason Hominoch from Jason.mortgage. If you love paying too much for your mortgage, then don't let Jason shop around to find the perfect mortgage for you. Just kidding. Visit him on the internet at Jason.mortgage. Okay. We're going to start with Laddy. You're bringing all kinds of good stuff to the show. Now you're gonna bring our first What We Learned. Yeah. What did you learn Ladrick? I learned something last night. It was a little bit later in the evening. I was starting to prepare for bed. I had to feed the baby. So I just sat in front of the TV on the couch, flicked it on, so I'd have something to watch while I was feeding the baby. And I saw Grant Fuhr getting interviewed for some reason and then I kept watching

and it turns out the AHL All-Star game was on late. That's right. Late on a Monday night from Coachella Valley. I don't know why they decided to do it on a Monday. There was nobody in the building. Why they decided to hold it on a Monday night where no one on the East Coast was awake or even remotely paying attention to it. Yeah. There they were doing their thing. All those one on the East Coast was awake or even remotely paying attention to it.

There they were doing their thing. All those people on the East Coast that were like, when is the AHL All-Star game anyway? You're right, I did see this flipping through the guide yesterday, did not stop on it like you. Did you watch? I watched, yeah, I watched the last three tournament games, they did a three on three style like the NHL does

and I guess it's the only All-Star I'm getting this year because there's no NHL There's like TV shows and stuff and movies and it was like family feud cash cab or that so I went with the AHL all-star game. You would have gone with cash cab? I would have gone with cash cab. So what happened? I think Atlantic won. You know who was one of the stars of the AHL all-star game Mikey D Pietro also former Vancouver Canuck legend Brendan Gauntz. Yes. He had a nice goal. Yeah, he was there He's Austin Watson was playing in the American League He's like one of the leading scorers in the American League plays for Minnesota's AHL affiliate in Iowa

They scored three goals the other Matt Murray was playing too. The other Matt Murray was playing, yep. Kevin Korchinski. Yeah, Brendan Gantz. Still doing the thing. Still hanging around. Do you have his hockey DB up? I can.

I wonder how many games in the AHL he has actually played. I will tell you right now. I don't know if it'll show that. Is he just a guy that's accepted? Like I'm an AHL player. I'm going to make, you know, a couple hundred grand per year on a team as the veteran guy. And.

Brendan Gauntz is now 30 years old. He'll be 31 in March. I bet you would be surprised at the number of NHL games he's played in his career. His NHL games probably play 300 or something like that. Oh, less than that. Oh, okay. 182.

See, I wouldn't be surprised. With Vancouver, Boston, Columbus, and he did play five games this year for the Minnesota Wild. Oh, he has been in the NHL this season. Yep. Five games. Minnesota has been really beat up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So shout out to Brendan Gauntz, who's getting, Brendan Gauntz, David Booth, and Cody Hodgson. All got showed it out on this show. Okay. So, uh, give us, I don't know what we learned that the AHL All-Star game was on last night. On a Monday night. And Brendan Gauntz is killing it. Give us So, uh, give us, I don't know what we learned that the AHL All-Star game was on last night.

On a Monday night. And Brandon Gantz is killing it. Give us some moocow on that. I learned there was only one NHL game in the league last night, probably because they were like, well, the AHL All-Star game is on, we don't want to step on their feet. The eyes of the league were focused on Coach

Ella Valley. And, uh, it's not news that the Predators lost again, but it is news that the Ottawa Senators won again. For the Sens, their 5-2 victory over Nashville was their fifth in a row and they are now up to third place in the Atlantic division. Who's in second place in the Atlantic division, Jason? Toronto.

Greener's got the guys going. Uh, and the Atlantic division right now looks like this. Florida in first, Toronto in second, Ottawa in third, Tampa Bay in fourth and Boston in fifth. And Tampa Bay and Boston are both out of the playoff picture because the two wild card teams are one, the red hot Detroit Redwings who just came into Vancouver and beat the

Canucks and also Columbus. Right. Now Tampa has a couple of games in hand on Columbus, Boston doesn't. It's looking more and more like Boston is probably going to miss the playoffs, but who knows at this point, you know, the Rangers are going to get back into this.

It looks like, um, can Montreal hold on? I don't know about that. Pittsburgh still in the mix. Philly still in the mix. The only team that's really completely out of it, I would say, is Buffalo. Yes. This is going to be fascinating going down the

stretch because there's either going to be fascinating going down the stretch. Because there's either going to be a team that's well established of being like, yeah, we make the playoffs, that's what we do. Um, or there's finally going to be a team like Ottawa or Detroit that's going to break through and make it. So a couple of things here. One, if it keeps going in this direction, we're

trending towards a battle of Ontario in the first round of playoffs, which would be amazing. Been a long time since we've had one of those. Two, if Ottawa gets into the playoffs and doesn't just squeak in, like let's say they finish third in the division, is Greener gonna get some serious love for coach of the year? I think he'd have to.

Like who are the leading candidates right now for coach of the year? It's obviously gotta be Arneal with how good Winnipeg's been. I think the odds on favorite is Carberry in Washington, right? Given how good they've been this year. But if you're looking at one of those teams where there's always the ones that go from the outside of the playoff picture in, I think Green's going to be in consideration. Todd McClellan should be in consideration

because they have absolutely. Like you don't get it if you take over midway through the season. I know that, but he's really flipped that whole thing on its head. So we'll be curious about that. The other takeaway from last night from the Ottawa game, non-Travis green division, did you

see who scored again for Ottawa last night? Speaking of former Vancouver Canucks. Adam Goddad. 16 goals now? He's got 16 goals this year. See, I was finally right about him. I always thought he was going to be a player and when he didn't pan out, I was like, where did I go wrong?

It's nice when I'm right again. But here, I was kind of, I was with you. Like I didn't think you were off in that take. When I watched him play. I was like, yeah, he's got a good work grade. Seems to have a good shot. He had 12 goals and 33 points one year for the connects in just 59 games.

Like he was productive. I remember watching him and my take was always that he looked like a guy that was always doing stuff. But when you looked at his box square at the end of the night, there wasn't anything there. But he always looked active and busy. And I was like, I wonder if he's one of those guys. Everyone knows one of those guys.

You probably haven't met the office at work. They always look like they're working, but at the end of the day, nothing gets accomplished. I'm really good at that. Yeah, the Costanza. Yeah, exactly, just look angry. Look disgruntled and hold a clipboard. We're gonna start calling Adam Goddard a dog.

Yeah, people just start leaving. They'll leaveuntled and hold a clipboard. We're going to start calling Adam Goddard a dog. Yeah, people will just start leaving. They'll leave you alone if you look upset all the time. But now, I mean, he's got a very funny- Well, the crystals thing also kind of rattled me too. I was like, what is wrong about this guy? Yeah, that didn't help. I love his stat line too. 16 goals and six assists.

Sai Young, baby. He's going for it. So anyway, okay. He's on a, what's his, do you have his stats up? Yes. Okay, what's his shooting percentage? Oh, I don't a shoot. What's his, uh, do you have a stats up? Yes. Okay. What's his shooting percentage? Oh, I don't have that. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah. Just a hockey DB. They don't got that kind of stuff. Yeah. I'm on hockey DB.

Just straight counting stats. Cause I don't think he, anyone want his plus minus. I got his plus minus. Cause I don't think he plays big minutes. Does he? Plus 12. No, he doesn't. He's like a fourth line. He's a very, he's just on a heater. He's a very unique, um, player in terms of profile. Like there's not a fourth line. He's a very- Maybe he's just on a heater. He's a very unique player in terms of profile. Like there's not a lot of people that are doing what Goddette's doing this year, but hey,

given where his career was at, like bouncing around the American league, good on him for finding a spot and being a contributing member to a playoff team, right? I think he's putting up 16 goals on a non-playoff. 25.4%. Yeah, so that's pretty high. That's fairly high.

You should get him back. His career average is 12% Iron Blair text in Godette would be ahead of every Canuck in goals except to brusk and tied with Brock, right? It's a lot of goals. Mm-hmm like he could fill in it. He's gonna score 20 He's gonna flirt with 25 which is a great total for a guy that doesn't play a lot and doesn't have many assists at all Anyway, when the Canucks trade alias Patterson for Josh Norris, maybe they could throw in good at Doesn't have many assists at all and when the Canucks trade alias peterson for Josh Norris, maybe they could throw in good debt Okay, we can go there if you want. I'm the same. I don't bring it back. Where is this coming from? Oh the job is just cuz Norris and Quinn Hughes are like best buds But I heard that they doesn't make her they're happy. You know what to say

I heard their friendship got ruined when Quinn Hughes got the five-minute major for boarding Josh Norris in that game. Yeah No, I I've seen this and someone texted it Josh texted. me. It was like that's my career, you know, yeah Well, you're over whatever we were it's over. Yeah, I'm good center and yeah, but all injuries sure But Ottawa's a playoff team. I know I just don't understand why they would move It's at least better. Yeah, I mean he's yeah Some teams are like I'll take a chance on that guy. He could be really good again. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean I saw it I saw her in PD. Well, well, well, we need to get Okay, anyway moocow the old Ottawa thing Real quick I did want to mention that the NHL laid the hammer down on Ryan Hartman yesterday a 10-game suspension

For slamming the head of team Stutzla into the ice Getting a five-minute major match penalty for the they called it roughing You can't do that roughing an intent to injure Ten games it was funny because a lot of people when I saw the pre-ruling analysis of what they thought he was gonna get, people did not seem to be as aghast as I was. When I was on the air yesterday,

I was like, throw the book at Hartman. He ticks every box for crappy dude. Were people just saying, he just fell on him. He lost his balance. Did you hear Hartman's response? He said he lost his balance and was just leaning to get his balance back. He slammed his head into the ice. How would you give Ryan Hardman any benefit of the doubt?

He's been suspended or fined like 11 times. That's how he gets up from chairs. He just like takes someone's head, slams it, gives them leverage, and then he gets up. Don't sit next to this guy. If there's like a love seat, don't sit next to him on it. This is just how I think you are This is just how I do it. I thought we were allowed to use other people's heads as a balancing tool.

I just didn't know you couldn't do that. It was right there. And if you want to talk about like, oh, well, a lot of these past incidents are of the past. Five suspensions, fourth since 2023. So this is all very recent. I thought 10 games was too light. I was like, I mean, when we saw Matt Cook

and Raffy Torres finally hit the breaking point with the league where they're like, we're gonna give you this huge dimension that's probably gonna derail your career. Like, is Hartman not in that conversation at this point? If you are a habitual line stepper, at what point do they just say, okay, we're sitting you down for a really long,

like 10 games is long, don't get me wrong, but we're sitting you down for a really long time. So you either make fundamental changes to your game, because that was what Matt Cook, when he got the really big suspension was like, okay. Tora's on Hosa. They were like, okay, like I have to change, otherwise my career is gonna be over.

In the case of Rafi Taurus, his career was then soon over. And they were like, oh, you're way less effective. And you're not really that good of a player anymore. You know, so I mean, Hartman to me, and I know the NHL, the landscape has changed big time now and it's a lot different, but Hartman to me is in rarefied air with like the, there's only a handful of guys that are like that dirty.

That should be sat down for an awfully long time. I think Nick Cousins is fully aware of like how big a rat he is and he should be in that conversation. But there used to be more of these guys. There used to be way more of them. And I'm fine with eradicating the crap that Hartman does. Like if you need to sit him for 20 games, a quarter of the season, so be it.

I would rather see him get beat up though, because of it. That's the old school of me. We had this conversation yesterday. Yeah. Right. I mean, and we were talking about it in the context of the Stefan Nason hit on Tate Shum.

Which by the way, is still like that, that fire is burning in Buffalo right now. Like it has not gone away in the slightest. For those of you that missed it yesterday. People want to think that the teams that they cheer for have heart and that they stick up for each other and that they care as much as the fans care. Yeah.

And so we brought it back to the Canucks because I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but on numerous occasions this year, there's been either a really big hit landed on a Vancouver Canuck or some liberties taken with a Vancouver Canuck. And I would say not a super adequate response from the team.

Lacking that Wolf Pack. Oh there, getting that fresh start now. Uh, let's give a moocow on that. Print out some submissions into the Dunbar Lumber text line. Well, what we learned, Humanoids Brats, you as always by AJ's Pizza on East Broadway. Go visit them today.

It is a Vancouver hockey night, $6 pints. Could you get anything better than hockey and beer? AJ's Pizza 325 East Broadway. I like this one from Scott. What we learned, sometimes tariffs are just scare tactics. Hashtag Mondays lecture. Yeah, I saw the news yesterday that we got a 30-day reprieve and I was like, good for the country, bad for my opinion. It wasn't bad for your opinion. I mean, I still think he's a protectionist type guy, but he backed down pretty quick. I thought everything you said yesterday was fairly on point. The timing was just kind of unfortunate because the moment that you said it like an hour later, they're like, no, the tariffs are off.

Now this is going to be like, God, I hope he uses tariffs again for my opinion. I mean, terrible for the country. It's like Shane Wright. I just like want his career to be bad. Cause at one point I said, I don't really like Shane Wright. And then I was like, I'm married to that opinion now.

Bad for the country. I can never change my mind. Better bring them back in a month. Yeah. Woo. They're like, come on Trump, let's go. Let's, let's kick Canada's butt. Wreck the economy.

Do it. Bad for the country. Come on, had an opinion. But the thing that got them to push it back was making the announcement about the border thing that was already announced back in December. Did he, did he pull a fast one here or? He heard the word.

I don't know man. He heard the word fentanyl, Cesar and go. And he's like, yeah, excited. I made the mistake of trying to have a take on a guy that you shouldn't try and have a take on. It's true. You know, it's like. It's true.

It's almost like he doesn't know what he's doing or something. No, I think he does. He's eggs. Exactly. You know in 30 days, people are going to be like, so what are you going to do about those tariffs? They're like, what the hell are you talking about? The what?

By the way, did you call it a caesar? Like a caesar salad? Yeah, I love a this is our salad. Yeah He's a great leader This is worse than our Kansas, let's just drop it. Let's just work on how I wasn't our Kansas in that a really good He's the Cesar of our Kansas. Yeah. But it's just Czar. Bend the law Czar. He dropped the C.

You didn't, you didn't really think that though, did you? No. I mean, it's great. In dog? Are you lying? Czar? Be honest. I love being a good Czar.

All right. Do you pronounce it, uh, Czar or T-SAR? T-SAR. Like Tzatziki. Yeah. And Czar, like the salad. Tick-a-chuck. Jimmy from North Van, what we learned, in this weather with these driving conditions, the worst and most irritating drivers are the ones that can't be bothered to properly

clear all of the snow off their vehicle, especially the windows. Jimmy, I apologize, it was early, okay? Bruff, say roof snow guy. You'll drive around with snow. I'm calling you out publicly. I saw a news story yesterday that the police set up at one intersection and they pulled over like almost 200 cars.

Yeah, you get tickets. For not having their snow for your roof snow. I like to just have like a little tiny spot on the windshield that I can see. Yeah, that doesn't fly. I find it cozy. Are you allowed to have- I feel cozy.

I feel safe in there. Are you allowed to have- Can you have roof snow low if you like? No. If you decorate it and make like a snowman or something nice? No, I cannot. I mean, it's. I know. Can you have roof snow low if you like? No. If you decorate it and make like a snowman or something nice. No, I cannot.

I mean, it's cute and adorable, but no, very, very. You've got like Santa's sleigh up there with some reindeer. I mean, if you make it into something artistic, I think they should let you do it. By the way, Jimmy. Drive safe out there, everyone. Yeah, on the north. Actually, don't drive.

We came in this morning, Jimmy from North Van, and Laddie heard the traffic report. And it was just like, everywhere is bad on every road. Oh, man, going up Georgia this morning, people were struggling. They threw to Ryan Lidermark for the traffic report. It was just like everywhere is bad on every road. Oh man, going up Georgia this morning, people were struggling. They threw to Ryan Lidermark for the traffic update and he took like a deep breath. He's just like, okay, here we go.

Here we go. That's how it started. Juan from Comox, what we learned, the Los Angeles Rams are shopping Cooper Cup. Yeah, this was made public yesterday by Cooper Cup, the former Super Bowl MVP, long time wide receiver for the Los Angeles Rams, put it out on Twitter that the Rams are going to trade him immediately

and pursue a trade so that he can possibly join a contender, which was weird because I'm like, well, the Rams are kind of a contender, they're a playoff team. And then he said. I think they don't want to bring them back. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

It was funny the way that it was framed there. And then he also said that he disagrees with the decision, but he understands the direction the team is going in. And that direction is towards Puka. Yeah. Cupless. We are going Cupless, Cooper Cupless.

Um, so he will be gone and be very curious to see where he lands because he. Have the Seahawks cut Tyler Lockett yet? Nope. Yeah. But that's, I feel- That's basically expected. It's a good tie in actually because there's big time Lockett vibes with Cup, or I guess

Cup vibes with Lockett. Tommy the toilet store owner. Okay. I mean it's a toilet store. Is that all he sells? Somebody's gotta sell toilets. Yeah. But I don't know if there's a toilet store. But does he, he leans into nothing else? There's just it's toilets. Like, is that all he sells? Somebody's got to sell toilets. Yeah. But I don't know if there's a toilet store.

But does he, he leans into nothing else. It's just all toilets. Do you think there's a store that sells only toilets? That's what I'm asking. It should be like a plumbing supplies. That's where you get your toilets. Is there a toilet store? Toilets and toilet accessories.

Yeah. I mean, about plumbing stores. There's a place here called Vancouver Splashes. That's an unfortunate name. Anyway, what is Tommy the Toilet Store? Do you think you get to try them out? No. This is our special room. This is the throne.

You can use it, but just be warned. Yeah. I was like, I'm only gonna be able to use it once, but I might come back and try another one tomorrow morning. Hey, you got one of them chair toilets? That's gotta be the worst job. A Kleiner toilet? Anyway, I think this is Chef Graham.

Oh, you didn't read the text from Tommy the toilet guy. Well, I'm going to read it. But we've got it saved as Chef Graham, but he also signs his text as Tommy the toilet store owner. You're a chef and a toilet store owner? Changed his name. He washed his hands. There's no restaurant in the toilet store.

What we learned, I learned that Halford sounded like a completely different person when he was on with Kipper and Bourne yesterday. I thought for several minutes, they introduced the wrong guest and the guy just went with it. Eventually I was convinced it was him when he had a hard laugh at the Canucks expense, which one is the real Mike Halford?

When I did that show, people said the exact same thing. They're like, ah, it sounds completely different. I think it's just the energy and it's the mics too, right? You're on your phone calling in, it sounds completely different. I think it's just the energy and it's the mics too, right? You're on your phone calling in, it does sound different. And you guys aren't using your radio voices. I can't do a lot of the regular stuff

that I do on our show with Kipper and Bourne. Yeah. Right, like they're a little bit more button down. Professional. What's the word I'm looking for? Professional. Good at their job, professional. I mean, I don't wanna, like I'm not code switching

or anything like that. Like, I'm not putting on an entirely different voice and tone and inflection. I think it's just the nature of the conversation when you talk to somebody different. Like, most of everyone that's listening are used to you and I bantering back and forth because we've been doing it for 15 very long years and there's a certain cadence that's just always there. But when I talk to- It's the cadence, yeah, I think that's what it is. But when I talk to somebody different,

like you can't have the same sort of, all of it, tone, inflection cadence. You're saying you need bruff. Yes. To need each other. You need each other. To have that morning hilarity. Yeah, we can't make the Simpsons jokes constantly.

Could you imagine if I tried to make a Simpsons reference, like a deep cut Simpsons reference with Nick Kiprios? Hey, maybe he's a huge Simpsons fan, you don't know. You know, if I was like, and then I, you know, Nick, and I was staring at you like you were baby Gerald. What did you call me? We're never having Mike Hofford on again. Yeah, it's not gonna work.

I don't know who baby Gerald is. Born is like, explain, it was a cartoon, it was quite popular. Yeah, the baby had a monobrow. He used to stare at Maggie. Maggie was a baby on the Simpsons. Didn't say much. But Kimber's like, the baby had a rival. It's like, yeah.

At one point shot. Mr. Burns. Mr. Boone. It was an unfortunate, but hilarious result. Okay. Uh, we gotta go to break. We read a couple of your, what we learned, right? Thank you all for submitting as per usual. The reason that we're doing What We Learns right now is because the eight o'clock hour, we got a ton of guests.

Brendan Batchelor's gonna join us at eight. We'll set up tonight's game. It is the Avalanche. It is the Canucks, seven o'clock from Rogers Arena. You can hear Batch on the call right here on Sportsnet 650 tonight. And then at 8.30, Richard Sherman is gonna join the program.

Yes, that Richard Sherman, Legion of Boom, five time All-Pro, five time Pro Bowler, that Richard Sherman, Legion of Boom, five-time all-pro, five-time pro bowl or Super Bowl champion, one of the greatest Seahawks ever. He's going to be joining us at 8.30 to talk about, well, we don't know yet, but also because he's the keynote speaker. This year's JCC Sports Dinner. So big final hour coming up. Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Halford and Brough show on Sportsnet at 6.50. Oh, wait, before we go to break, I need to tell you about the Clayton Public House yet again,

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Hey, where did you get those clothes? At the toilet store?