Halford & Brough in the Morning - Satiar Shah Breaks Down The Adam Foote Hire

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

In hour three, Mike & Jason chat with Daily Faceoff's Tyler Yaremchuk (2:14), as the Oilers move on to the Western Conference Final, the boys hear from the humanoids (17:44), plus they talk the Adam Foote coaching hire with Canucks Central host Satiar Shah (28:02). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Tyler Yaremchuk joins us here in the Halford and Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Good morning Tyler, how are you? I'm doing fantastic gentlemen, how are you? We are great. Thanks for taking the time to do this today. We appreciate it. First question, was Jim Hiller's ill-fated goal

challenge in round one of this series, or sorry, round one of the Edmonton Oilers Playoff run, the most influential and biggest momentum changer in playoff history. I mean, it just might be. And I was tweeting about it last night after the game and like, you know, in the moment it was crazy looking back on it. It was insane. In all honesty, like the Oilers had that game tied. So if Jim Hiller doesn't challenge, it's still a tie game. There's a, you know, call it 50-50, greater than 50-50. There's still a chance the Oilers win that game anyways.

But for what it did in terms of the momentum and I think instilling a bit of belief in this Oilers team and giving them a spark, it was massive. And it's kind of like that meme that goes around all the time where it's the one really, really tiny domino. And then eventually it leads to the really, really big one. Like if the Oilers go back and end up or go on and end up doing the whole thing and winning a Stanley Cup, like that Jim Hiller challenge, that's that first little domino there.

How good was Dry Cytl yesterday? I mean, just defensively, he was an absolute beast, which I mean, what's so impressive about him is just the way he seems to turn it up in really, really big games. And I mean, to talk about the other side of it, I guess in the Oilers game three loss, Dry Settle was absolutely horrendous. Three of the goals that went in out of the four, they were almost directly on Leon Dry Settle. One of them, he scored on himself.

The other two, he was a main reason why those, why they went in. So to see him bounce back the way he did defensively and just say, you know what, I'm not going to let that happen again. It was really, really impressive. But I mean, we've kind of come to expect that from the Oilers big guns, you know, 29 and 97 at every turn when it's a big hockey game, you know they're coming through in the clutch. And last night it maybe, 29 and 97 at every turn. When it's a big hockey game, you know, they're coming through in the clutch and last night it maybe wasn't necessarily on the scoreboard.

I know Dry Settle did pick up an assist, but he's a big reason why Jack Eichel was held off the score sheet more often than not in the series. Talk to us about the Oilers blue line and what your expectations were heading into the playoffs and how you think the blue line and what your expectations were heading into the playoffs and how you think the blue line has performed. Well, the expectation coming into the playoffs was they're going to have to find a way to

get this done with basically five defensemen because I really didn't have a lot of faith in John Klingberg. And what we've gotten is some sort of insane career resurgence from John Klingberg. Troy Stetcher's come into the lineup the last two nights and just been exactly what the Oilers need. It's hilarious to sit there and think that Darnell Nurse, the $9.25 million defenseman, can only give the Oilers quality minutes when he's paired with Troy Stetcher. Like you go back to the regular season and it's like, man, how does one of the highest

paid defensemen in the league just be so, to put it point blank, like he's so bad and he was so bad through the first bit of these playoffs. And then they put Troy Stedger back in the lineup and darn, and there's, there's like, Oh yeah, I remember how to play hockey all of a sudden. And then the other part of this, like missing Matthias at home is obviously huge, but what we've seen over the last two weeks is Evan Bouchard just step into that number one defense mineral and absolutely thrive. They started using them on the penalty,

Kilmore and his penalty kill numbers are the best of the bunch at five on five In that series against the Vegas Golden Knights. He was remarkable. Obviously the last two games He wasn't on the ice for a goal against he's great at defending against the rush like in this series as a whole through five games He was only on the ice for two five on five goals against in the five games And that's considering the fact he was going toe-to-toe with the Eichels and the Stones and the best players against Vegas. So it's a combination of things from Klingberg and Stetcher punching above their weight class to Evan Bouchard taking this step forward and proving

he's a legitimate top herring D-nut. Uh, Stuart Skinner, we've got to talk about this guy. He's kind of made it a habit now in the playoffs of not performing well to start. He gets replaced and then he comes back in later. And he finds his game. Now the Oilers played very well in front of them over the last two games, but there were a couple

of times when, you know, last night Vegas had a couple dangles around Oilers players and chances. There was a really nice save, a shoulder save he made off of Jack Eichel. Is this just how Stuart Skinner is in the playoffs? In the back half of series, absolutely, because the splits are just absolutely insane. Like in games one through three, he's just point

blank, terrible and unplayable. And then he usually has to sit one of games four or five, and then in the back half of the series, very similar to what he did last year against Vancouver and last year against Florida, even in the Dallas is when he stole them game six, like when the series is on the line, you just, you can't beat them more or less like game seven of the cup final they lost. He only gave up two goals in that hockey game.

And listen, he's now stopped 47 of his last 47 shots. And it wasn't like these are games where it was five, nothing, four, nothing, even three, nothing like last night, the one, nothing final, you needed him to be perfect. And he absolutely was. So listen, I really liked the guy, an Edmonton product. Like it's a great story. I love seeing him succeed and kind of throwing it back in the face of the haters.

And last night it was awesome. And the one thing the haters. And last night, it was awesome. And the one thing I'll say comparing last night to even his shutout the night before last night, he looked so calm, like he wasn't sprawling around in the net. He was in front of shots before they were released. And we definitely weren't seeing that early in the L.A. series. We weren't seeing that in game three, the first game when he returned to the crease. But last night was a level of calmness that, man, we just really haven't seen from Skinner since the playoffs last year.

This whole season was really, really tough for him. So yeah, it's unbelievable to see this turnaround. And for the Oilers' sake, because I don't think Calvin Pickard's going to be back in time for the start of the Western Conference final. They're going to need Skinner to keep running with this year. Is this Oilers team better, worse, or about the same as last season? That's such an interesting question. I think they're better. I think their forward depth is a lot better than it was last year. There just aren't as many nights when there's zeros.

Listen, I like Ryan McLeod as a penalty killer. I liked Warren Fogle as a bottom six guy, but they were just prone to these stretches where they would go five, six games without even a shot on net, without getting a point. And you look at this year, like I talked about Adam Henrique and his two big goals in game four of this series. And it's just sort of speaks to if you put talented guys lower in your lineup. Yeah, their totals during the regular season might drop and Adam Henrique's not going to be a 20 goal guy like he was in Anaheim or whatever. But when they're in those

spots in the playoffs, they can get you big goals. And I think going into last night with McDavid and Drysettle off the ice in these playoffs, the Oilers were outscoring their opponents something like 16 to eight or 16 to nine. Like in past years, the Oilers were getting outscored 16 to nine with 97 and 29 off the ice and they had to overcome that. And now their depth isn't just breaking even, which it kind of did towards the back half of the playoffs last year. It's not just breaking even like it's dominating the other team and winning

them games. So I'll say they're better this year. And if they can get Matthias that come back, I mean, I mean, look out, they might be able to make quick work of someone else in the Western conference final. We're speaking Tyler, your M check from daily face off and Oilers nation here on the Halford and brush show on sports net six 50 without taking anything away from what the Oilers did over the five games. Tyler, were you like me?

Did you leave a little underwhelmed at how the Vegas Golden Knights played in this series? I think it's absolutely fair to say that. Like again, the Oilers played a very good structure. I thought it was some really, really mature efforts, especially in the last couple of games here. Game one, Vegas only had three shots at five on five in the final two periods. But from a Vegas perspective, they couldn't generate anything. Like Jack Eichel hit a couple of goal posts,

which you can kind of point to and say, Ah, would one of those maybe change the series? But like with Eichel off the ice, it was just a whole lot of nothing. And even the blue line, I know, and I was guilty of this, like looking at it on paper coming into this series, you're like, man, they have Theodore on one pair and Hanifin, Patrangelo, even that third pair with Hag and White Cloud, like these are names

that you recognize and guys that have been traditionally so good. But I Patrangelo was just awful. Yeah, he's old man. I am so dirty. I don't mean to interrupt you But I'm so with you on when I look at that blue line on paper I'm like that is unbelievable like the best blue line in the NHL and then you watch him play and it just doesn't measure Up and I don't know why I mean Hanifin played that played that two on one that McDavid had late in the game perfectly. Like there's still good players, but I'm with you on guys like, well, I think we should

mention Patrangelo and Stone sort of in the same conversation because you wonder and you probably conclude we've seen their best years. So I wonder how Vegas adjusts this off season. Yeah. And I mean, listen, they've always been the cutthroat organization who doesn't matter what you've done for them.

If you're not going to help them going forward, they'll cut you. But like, I don't know, 33 year old injury prone Mark Stone at 9.5 million. I don't think you can just move on from the last two, three years of that deal. Patranzolo has got two more years at 8.8. Like I don't think anyone's throwing their hand up going, yeah, I'll, I'll

take that off your hands for you or give you an asset for itself. They're going to be in a, in a little bit of a tight spot here. I know they have $9.6 million in cap space and their roster is more or less filled up here, but I, I, some of these contracts are just probably borderline unmovable at this point. And again, if your star players have their best days behind them and all you've done for the last four or five years is trade first round picks and trade prospects.

I think it's fair to say this golden Knights teams probably on, I mean, back nine of their little run as a core. I mean, they're probably on one of the final few holes here. Like I still think there'll be a playoff team next season, regardless of what they do in the summer. But I don't know if think there'll be a playoff team next season, regardless of what they do in the summer. But I don't know if I view them as a Stanley Cup contender anymore, especially with what I saw in this series. Um, let's talk a bit about Vasiliy Podkolson because I think people

in Vancouver might be interested. Um, he's now on the line with Dry Cytl and Kapanen. And that's not a trio I had together, uh, in some key games in the playoffs. But, uh, what have you seen from Pod Colson? I don't think we should act like he's playing 20 minutes a night or anything, but he is noticeable out there and he made a nice play at the blue line

at the win on the winning goal last night. Yeah, he makes a lot of those really sort of small sneaky good plays. And I think it's part of the reason why you've seen him play so much with Leon Dreisaitl this year and why in the playoffs they're totally fine putting them back together like was it. Connor and Leon have a lot of say in who they play with day in and day out it's part of the reason why you see them together so much because I think they that times just throw their hands up and

go what are we doing here put us on the ice together but for Pudgol's and it's easy to see why Leon Dreisaitl loves playing with him he can absolutely fly he doesn't miss up on an opportunity to hammer a defenseman and when he's for putt goals and it's easy to see why Leon Drysettle loves playing with him. He can absolutely fly. He doesn't miss up on an opportunity to hammer a defenseman. And when he's for checking that art and he's pushing the other team's defenseman both below the goal line, because they're trying to help each other out. That just opens up a boatload of space for Leon Drysettle. And when Drysettle's got space, he's one of the most dangerous players in the sport.

So he's a perfect match for Leon because he's just such a good disruptor. And listen, I know this was a thing when he was in Vancouver, you need him to produce more at times the goal scoring. You only had eight goals in 82 games this year. He's got one through 11. He's not a goal scorer. I don't think he has. Yeah.

And I, I, I know at this point he's 23 years old. I think he's about to turn 24. I think it's probably fair to say like, he's never going to be a goal scorer, but if he can just keep being what he's been in these playoffs a disruptor who racks up assists who kills Penalties who plays physical and can keep up with the star players He's gonna have a home here in Edmonton for a pretty long time We're speaking to Tyler your I'm Chuck from daily faceoff and Oilers now here on the Alfred and Bruff show on Sportsnet 650 what did you think of the work that head coach Chris Knoblok did during this series, Tyler? I think in back-to-back series now,

he's absolutely out coached and out classed the guy on the other end. And I mean, to do it against Bruce Cassidy is certainly something. And listen, Knoblok has a lot of weapons at his disposal. I understand that. And I think that's always going to lead to some people maybe overlooking him as a coach. Because when they win, everyone just points to Conor McDavid, Leon Drysettl and goes, those guys are doing it again. But just look back at every button he pushed, not only in this series, but going back to the Vegas series, like he went and loaded or sorry, the LA series. He loaded up McDavid and Drysettl.

It worked. He put that Nugent, Hopkins, Kane and Hyman line together. It was one of the most effective lines in the playoffs coming out of round one. He puts Kisperi Kapanen in the lineup. He scores. He elevates Adam Henrichs minutes a little bit. He finds a way to contribute and then on the blue line, right? He puts Wallman and Klingberg together and all of a sudden that's working. Troy Stetcher comes in. That looks like a beautiful move going from, you know,

Skinner to Pickard when he did arguably save their season. Like this man can just really do no wrong right now. And again, it's very easy to put together a good combination of forwards when you have this much talent, but I even go to like making the tough decision of pull Victor Arvidsson out of this lineup because you knew you weren't playing with enough speed. That's, that's not an easy choice or an easy thing to do to look at a veteran guy like that who's got another year on his contract at four million dollars and be like, hey, you need

to sit in the press box for a guy we claimed on waivers four months ago, but Knoblock isn't afraid to make these kinds of decisions and again when he pulls on a lever it's usually the right one. So I think he's been one of the best coaches in these playoffs I think over the last 18 months since he's become an NHL head coach he's worked his way into the conversation as being a top 10. And who knows? Maybe by the end of this run, he's viewed as a top five coach in the league. Series is over. They win in five. They get the weekend off.

Are you already doing your Dallas Stars prep or do you think that Winnipeg has a chance to claw back? No, I mean, I have the weekend off, so I booked three tee times already. Nice. But no, I think, you know, the Jets on home ice are a totally different team than the Jets on the road. So I think there's a world where the Jets extend this series one more game. Can they win on the road? I mean, they're 0-1-5 already. So I'll go ahead and say it's say the obvious. It's doubtful. So yeah, I mean, I already texted my boss and said, should I be living my life with the assumption I have to fly

to Dallas on Monday to cover a couple of road games here because I think we're due for a rematch. And based on what we saw in Florida, Toronto last night, maybe we're due for a couple more rematches here for the Edmonton Oilers. Maybe that's just my oilers brain wishful thinking, though. Tyler, this was great, man. Thanks for taking the time to do it. We appreciate it. Yep. Thanks, guys. Have a good day. Enjoy the golf.

Tyler, your M check here here on the help of the Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. That would be crazy if the Oilers played three of the same four teams in the playoffs. Like when Kings. A near carbon copy. Yeah, like Vegas gets switched out. Or Vancouver got switched out for Vegas.

Classic Connach. This is the future Gary wants. This is it. Same matchups, the rivalries, they're building. This is how you build rivalries. This is it. Same matchups, the rivalries, they're building. This is how you build rivalries. I would sign up, and I know the inherent risk of a Canadian team potentially winning the Stanley Cup, but I would absolutely sign up

for a rematch of Edmonton and Florida. Oh, totally. No matter what you say, no matter what you say or how much you would hate to see another Canadian team win a Stanley Cup, that Stanley Cup final last year was an all-timer. No one will argue this. And if you argue it, I will block you

from the Dunbar Lumbertex message in basket, but you can't. It's a great, great series. Also, the Oilers history of the Islanders, they lose to them the first time, they win the next time. It'd be funny if that didn't happen this time. Oh, we just lost again. Yeah, the McDavid coronation thing, all of it,

it'd be great. Okay, we're gonna talk to Sad on the other side. So it's going to be an abbreviated version of what we learned. So let's print out the submissions into the Dunbar Lumber text line right now. Well, we learned humanoid submissions brought to you by AJ's Pizza on East Broadway.

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Are we embracing the foot stuff or are we pushing back on the foot? We've had this conversation before. Are you insane? You're asking us to not do foot puns? Right. There's no way you can enforce this. I am maybe asking you to.

No. I'm kind of adjacent on this one. I'm kind of asking if we're. No, we're either doing it or we're not doing it. Well, I'll put it this way. It'll probably last for about, it'll get old eventually. So you just got to let it happen organically, I think. I put your foot down about this, are you?

I disagree. Yeah, thank you. I mean, if the canucks start on the right foot, then there'll be some puns. What if they donucks start on the right foot then there'll be some puns What if they don't start on the right foot? It's the wrong we might have to put our foot down. Yeah, okay Yeah, so I just think let it die organically like a gangrene foot might Or we amputate it right now. No don't amputate it. Yeah, I don't I you know what? I as much as I appreciate a good pun and a good dad joke for some reason these aren't hitting

That's not they're so good. They're all I'm at the and a good dad joke, for some reason these aren't hitting. That's why they're so good. They're awful. Well, I'm at the peak of my dad joke potential in my life. So it's gonna be so hard for me to not. Canucks kicking the butt. Hey. Puns aren't meant to be funny.

They're meant to make your eyes roll. I'm aware. Yeah, so just embrace the eye roll. Speaking of not funny, I listened to a lot of Sportsnet 650 programming yesterday and there was a lot of, there was a lot of lot. Replay yesterday. And I, there was a lot of, there was a lot of, lot. A lot.

Replay of this show? A lot, yeah. No, I listened to the best of three times. I think I'm ready to call it a day on the foot puns, but who knows? What we learned from Omar, watching the Leafs fail yet again in the playoffs, doesn't have the same satisfaction as it used to have

as a Canucks fan. Maybe it's because we are still numb from an exceptionally horrific season. I'm with you on that. Last night, I was kinda like, man, the Leafs are losing. There was no glee though. There was no, I don't know. I took some.

I mean, there was some glee. I took some glee. When the Jersey came on the ice, I felt a little, I felt the feeling called love. Yeah, it came back. When the Jersey came on the ice. As it fluttered towards the playing surface. Yeah.

I was ready. I was ready to rescind one of my staples, which is don't throw anything on the ice. Don't throw stuff on the ice. Brackets, unless it's an Austin Matthews jersey and a 6'1", lost the floater. You're allowed to throw stuff on the ice. No, you're not, Andy.

No, Alvar's really, really tough on this. No, if you're a fan, you pay the money to get in there Well, you're not allowed to take as long as it's not like a sharp object or something of all the dogs Like I'm bringing my batteries of all the dogs are like knives on the ice or anything, but right Jersey's not sharp Oh, there's a slippery. There's a slippery slope there Andy. How about what you you don't throw some are gonna be a little funny These are not animals at the zoo. You don't get to throw things at them. But Jersey's is a These are not animals at the zoo. You don't get to throw things at them. But jerseys is a, that's a like a protest.

It's a protest. But it's not, it's throwing stuff while guys- 1000% is a protest. Throwing stuff at people while they're trying to do their jobs. You can, there's a million different ways- Was the play going when you threw the jersey? A million different ways you can protest

while throwing stuff at people while they're trying to do their jobs. Was the, was it in play? It was during the stoppage. That doesn't matter, Andy. Oh, they weren't doing their jobs at the moment. They were sitting down. They were, they were taking a break at work. the moment. They were sitting down. They were.

They were taking a break at work. I'm really seeing law and order, Helford, right now. Just this one thing. We must have law and order. Except during a 6-1 loss to Florida in game five. Hey, we got a text from Clegs. He says his last name is Leg. He should become a new coach for the Canucks.

They got a foot. And like, is Mike Leg available? That's why his name's Clegs, because his last name is Legg. Last name is Legg. Okay, another one on the Leafs from Chad. What we learned, I learned that the Leafs do not have any first round picks until 2028.

So this is it. They have to run it back. Chad, they ain't running it back with Marner. He's gone. If they lose this series, Marner is gunzo. They should also, like if Tavares wants to come back, they should be like, we're good, thanks. They should also, like if Tavares wants to come back, they should be like, we're good, thanks.

They should. This is an opportunity to break free. Clean break. Yeah. You know? Everyone's like, oh, you can get them for a haircut, you can get them at a discount. No.

Make the move. Divide the core four by two and have it the core, that, you know? Not divide, subtract. Subtract. And I gotta say, if you divide divided by two. It's also two I'm so here for Marner being amazing at whatever place he lands like if it's in Pittsburgh or wherever Carolina He is gonna be unreal 120 points and these bands are gonna be even sadder, but he's here. Okay. He's already done that though

Like I I doubt he's gonna have a better regular season than any of his previous high regular seasons. It's maybe tough. Maybe he gets to 120 points. I hope he does because that'll make it so much sadder for Luce fans. I don't think it will be rooting for him. Who would they go after though? I mean, they're going to have to replace

that cap space with something. Branton? No, too late for that. And I think it just goes to show all these teams that we talk about and having the cap space and wanting to be aggressive. It's going to show how challenging it is for the Canucks to be able to find the players at the right price.

I would push back against what you're saying though. The only way it becomes sad for Leafs fans if he does something in the playoffs with another team. Good point. You know what I mean? Like a hundred. He's done the hundred point. 102 point season.

Selkie finalist. Like the regular season success is there in droves. Playoff martyr is finally gonna show up. You know, like where's he gonna show up, in Columbus? He played well the Four Nations too. See that's an interesting one. Did he though? He had a couple of moments but he was kind.

Early on I wanted to rip him but then he scored a big goal and he had two big assists in the final. You know what I think aided him? Showed up there. You know what I think aided him is that he wasn't being counted on and relied upon. Well you know what helped? He was playing against Matthewed up there. You know what I think aided him is that he wasn't being counted on and relied upon. Well, you know what helped? He was playing against Matthews.

That's true. So Detroit Brian texted in and it was about our Pederson conversation and he's like, you never hear Leafs fans say, trade Matthews. I'm like, were you on social media yesterday? Do you know what the internet is? Yeah.

Go on it, it's all over the place. I mean, Marner used to get a lot of the blame, but it's really being shared with Matthews now. It's Marner and Matthews. So you're saying PD for Matthews, one for one. Are you kidding me? Are you sometimes just playing a role or are you actually who you are? Yeah. Why are you the way that you are? Sometimes you're like our texters, like there were texters textures saying Demko for Mitchkoff. Like in what. What world? World would Philly do that?

Like I. Hey, they need gold tending. Sometimes I, you know what I say in my mind? I'm like, they're just joking. There might be a certain coach there in Philly waiting that Demko had success with in the past. Oh. Maybe he doesn't want to coach Mitchkoff?

Hmm. Hey dog, I do have something for you though. I do have something for you. Oh my God. Okay, you know, so the Matthews trait. Yeah. Remember dog, I do have something for you though. I do have something for you. Oh my God. So the Matthews trait? Yeah. Remember, okay, does everyone knows,

I say remember because I didn't realize he was relevant. Eklund, hockey buzz. Oh yeah. Everyone remembers Eklund, right? He was on sports mail one year at the deadline. For those of you that don't know, he was sort of like the original, the OG, the trailblazer of online hockey.

I spent many hours on the hockey buzz forums back in the day. Right, there was like R3, R4, something like that. Yeah, E. E, yeah, the E was for E. Ooh, it's an E4, oh. Yeah, right. So anyway, he's got one out there right now.

And of course, it's got like complete Eklund style. Are you giving us an Eklund rumor right now? It's got the spelling mistakes and everything, like improper grammar. He says there is a major rumor, a flat, which is supposed to be a foot. I just got off the phone with someone very familiar with the situation that says that there are at least one major player, maybe major players right now currently in the playoffs that have already been appraised that they're gonna be traded this off scene is gonna be this huge blockbuster trade in the NHL And I was like, this is great. I love this so much like we are back baby. I'm so excited

We don't know who the player is We don't know what team they play for but it's a team active in the play. Are there any good players playing in the playoffs? Right. I was gonna say do the NHL playoffs as currently constructed have good players remaining in them so anyway I'm excited about this there's gonna be a big trade this offseason we'll ask that what that trade is you guys look so foolish once they trade PD for Matthews who's playing in the playoffs right now think about it half of it is just I want to see brus reaction and watch him die a little inside each time.

If it happens or what you're saying? What I'm saying. What you're saying. Oh no, if it happens, it'll be a completely different set of reactions. You'll kill me eventually, buddy. You're listening to the Halferd and Bruff Show on Sportsnet 650. It's Canucks Central with Dan Rachel and Satyar Shah, your destination for everything Canucks. Exclusive interviews, inside info, and even the post game show.

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Visit them on the internet at Campbell dash pound.com today was a busy day in Canuck land yesterday. Wasn't just the Adam foot hire. Tom V lander agreed to his entry level deal as well. So who better to break down all the news from yesterday than satyar Shah. He joins us now on the health and in breath show on sports net six 50. What up sat? What's going on boys? Well, I guess if you guys had like Adam Foote on, he might be do a better job of breaking it down than I would because he has a job. We put in our request. He's busy today.

He is prepping for the, what is it, an 11 AM? 11 AM, Professor. Yeah. Yeah. What's the first question you'd ask Adam Foote today? First question for Adam Foote. I mean, I don't want to make it all about PD so I'd wait. Well, you're on the right show to make it all about PD. Yeah. So what is your plan for Elias Pettersson? I think my first question would be what's your vision of the way hockey should get played? Because I think a lot of people are wondering and have questions about, is he just going to do what Rick Tauke did and are we going to have the same problems with a lack of offense,

a lack of creating shots and creating opportunities and things of that nature? Now we can talk about all the personnel stuff that leads to that and whether it's personnel or coaching, but I think that's a big question. All the Canucks fans have is what are your ideas to perhaps generate a bit more and be maybe a bit more expensive as a team and can indeed in you know without having to add personnel to any be a bit better offensively and one thing that I have heard checking in and asking around since the connect fired Adam Foote is that as much as him and Tauke it obviously were very close and the work that the same staff that he had his own

ideas Adam Foote does and he has an idea of how he wants the team to play. It wasn't like they were always in unison on what to do and how to do things. That's to say that they wouldn't be on the same page because they work together, they have great respect. And if Adam wasn't hired by the Canucks, he may have gone and joined Rick's talk. So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with their relationship. But one thing, the point that was made to me is that Adam has his own ideas and they were very impressed with his interview.

I think what he showed in his interview with the team was that he's ready for this. And they were really, I want to say surprised, but very impressed with how he presented himself for the job. What are some ways that coaches can create more offense? Because I hear a lot of criticisms of the fact

that Tocket didn't create offense. I don't really hear any good examples of what someone could have done differently, especially with in the first half of the season, the team other than Quinn Hughes couldn't move the puck out of their own end. And that was a defenseman issue. And in the second half of the season, the

forward, the top six forward group was not even close to what you need to score goals regularly in the NHL. Yeah. Well, I think you're right because when you look at the personality, look at how most teams play, there isn't a lot of variance. Like there are some things that teams do differently, but generally the systems are very

similar. It comes down to how aggressive your for-check is, how many guys you send. But as you know, guys, that's really dependent on game state and game situations, you're not going to send three guys if you're up two goals late in the game, you know, all that stuff is based on game state and how you're attacking a game, but that can be a way. But I think the way that most teams now are trying to generate is they have some

rules off their breakouts where some teams are more stringent with what they allow their wingers to do, they have to rules off their breakouts where some teams are more stringent with what they allow their wingers to do. They have to stay in their own lanes on their breakouts and maybe not be allowed to cross over and create some confusion. I think there are some teams that do some more I'd say adventurous things with their breakouts to try to generate some chances but that also depends on do you have the personnel for guys that can do those things recover in time and also be able to Play to that style of game. So I think on your breakouts on your for check

There's certain things you can do but ultimately guys it comes down to personnel, right? and and I think the one thing that we were very frustrated by in general was how much of the Canucks offense was being generated by the points and I do agree with I want to see them generate down low a bit more, but how much of that was the players just deferring and doing that as opposed to that's what the coach was telling them. Cause how often do we hear Rick talk and say, don't just throw the puck back up, like hold of the puck, make a play, try to be more, um, confident with the puck

to try to generate plays in the offensive zone. So how much of this really comes down to personnel at the end of the day. And I think that's ultimately the big thing that connects that to address here. Um, what does the signing of Tom Willander mean for next season? Well, I think it means that so Rutherford himself has said that he has a chance to make the team.

I think in a perfect world, they'd love to see him be on the squad next season. And if Vlander can play at a decent level, I'm not saying be a top four defender right away, but pay the legitimate, you know, puck rushing mobile, two way defensemen who's played 15, 16 minutes a game on the right side. That would be a huge boost to this team. Like if the ladder is able to actually be an everyday player right out of the gate and you, your right side is now Philip Peronek, Tyler Myers and your lander and your left side,

you have guys like Quinn Hughes, um, obviously, Pedersen and whether it's going to be DTD or Derek Forber, like that defense looks really solid. So I think I can see the Lander make a team next year and if he's actually decent, I think it propels the Canucks into certainly a top 10 D-Core in the league. Okay. I think we can all agree that pretty much everything should be on the table for the Canucks this off season, right? We agreed? Okay. Well, you know, people always say that and

then they're like, what are you crazy when you suggest this, but if we land, Vylander makes the team and you've also got Mancini and you can always go into free agency and add a cheaper right shot veteran. Um, do you think the Canucks should at least consider trading Horonick? I think you, I mean, I think you should

always consider like these, these possibilities, right? And I think it's an underrated way of improving your hockey team, because if you look at the value that Philip Horonick would have, he's locked into a long-term deal. And in Vancouver, all he's shown is that he's really good, right?

Like the last two years, even playing with Quinn playing without Quinn. When Quinn was injured, he really carried the blue line. I think there's been a lot of tape that he's shown over the past couple of years. If he's a legitimate high-end defenseman, maybe not number one, of course, maybe perhaps not even a true number two, but a really strong high-end right side defenseman who's in his what mid to late twenties, not even his late twenties quite yet. So you're talking about a guy who I think probably has the most value out of any

individual player, not named Quinn Hughes or, um, I think when you was really cool, who else would you put ahead of? I mean, we would say Pederson perhaps two years ago, but not today. But if you talk about actual assets, this organization, that's why I'm bringing it up, right? He's probably your second most valuable asset. You have, you have work on the right, you have help on the right side. I don't anticipate they're going to trade Philip Rovec, but I do think it's an underrated

idea because the return you can get is probably more significant than anything else you're willing to move. I just don't know how they're going to do it. They've said they don't like the unrestricted- You mean adding the player? Well, three of them. Yeah. They've said they don't like the UFA list and I agree.

And they've, Rutherford has hinted, well, we're not at the top of many players lists anyway. Well, how are you going to do it then? Like don't trade that 2026 first round draft pick. If they trade that, that is insanity. Absolute insanity considering that draft. Trade the 15th overall this year? Okay, you're not getting a top six player for that.

Not one at the right age. They'd be like, well, the 15th overall pick for a top six player that's age appropriate right now. Why would we do that? Do you want to throw in one of your prospects? Willander, Lecker, Mackie? They've kind of suggested that DPD is off the table. At least that's what

Drance has reported. I'm just trying to, I don't know how they're going to do it. Well, and honestly, Jason, that's how I feel. Like we've been talking about this on the show and it's like, you know, I'm generally, you guys know me, I'm generally an optimistic person. I try to look at ways to make the team better.

I look at ways to improve. I'm not really big on being like, oh, the team sucks, you can't do anything about it. I try to find a way to make the team better. And there are ways to improve. I'm not really big on being like, oh, the team sucks. You can't do anything about it. I'll try to find ways to make a team better. And there are ways to make the team better, but man, there is one or two pathways and every single one of those pathways are fraught with peril. It's either you're trading away the lander, you're trading away celebrity, you're trading away, um, DPD potentially, because those are

potentially the moves you have to make to get what you're looking to acquire. And the only way I see that they can improve their team significantly without trading away the Lander, DPD, or Philip Ronecker, one of their top end assets, is if they pull a rabbit out of their hat and they're able to package together a roster player, the 16th overall pick, maybe there's maybe Dr. Mackey is the guy they end up moving and no people don't want to see that happen. But you have to, you have to sacrifice somewhere, right? And to me, if you're going to improve a team significantly without trading any of the very top assets you mentioned, that to me is like a magic act.

And if you're waiting for magic to happen, I don't think that's realistic. So I'm with you guys. I'm really curious to see how they're going to pull this off. There aren't a ton of avenues that each one has a lot of risk attached to it. And that's kind of why I wonder, that's why I am a bit skeptical about their ability to fill all their holes this off season. But also you fill one or two holes without setting yourself back and that's where all this risk comes into it as well where it's you can look at this and say all this immediacy because you're trying to convince Quinn Hughes to stay.

But if you were able to be patient for one or two years and let us breathe a little bit, maybe be in a better position as a team. But can you risk doing that with Quinn Hughes in a situation? And that's where the risk is so incredibly high this off season. Cause no matter what you do, you're exposing yourself. There is a very real chance, I don't know percentage wise, what you'd put on it in terms of probabilities, but there's a very real chance that they aren't able to dramatically remodel the forward group

and they go into next season with the mantra of we like our goaltending if healthy, we like our blue line if healthy, we're going to be a real button down, not high scoring. We're going to try and manufacture offense with the subpar group. We're going to be about 98 points if we, everything goes right. Remember that phrase? If everything goes right, there'll be a 98 points if we, everything goes right. Remember that phrase, if everything goes right, there'll be a 98 point team. There'll be a first or second wild card.

And then they just kind of hope after that. That's, and I can very much see that playing out. Maybe not necessarily the end game because things might go wrong, but the approach that they end up taking after maybe not necessarily remodeling this off season. That could be a very real scenario that unfolds, right? Where they're kind of the packet, the packet together some way for next year, but it's still very much an incomplete

team. But to your point, if the defense would be Lander and these young guys being somewhat steady with Quinn Hughes and all the veterans they have, they should legitimately be a top 10 defense in the league based on personnel and perhaps even higher. That's the potential that you have. If your goalie tandem is healthy, that can be a top-ten goalie tandem, perhaps even higher depending on how high you are in those two guys in the league. But that necessitates health, which again goes back to what you mentioned about things having to go right. But there is a path, there is a world for this team to be a playoff team next year without significantly improving their forward group. But that doesn't change what we've been talking about with this team about becoming a contender

and showing the path towards being more than just a bubble playoff team. We all know this team can hang around the playoffs. Chase, this year they had a disaster of a year, traded JT Miller and still only missed the playoffs by a handful of points. And we know where the baseline is. We know what they're capable of doing. But can you increase your ceiling? And ultimately, if you can't increase your ceiling

by the end of this next season, why would Quinn stay here long-term? And I think that's gonna be ultimately the thing. And I can see a scenario, you're right, where they don't do all the work they wanna do and it becomes a quest during next year to make trades in season to make a team better, which creates good intrigue and interest,

but how easy is it, or I would say how difficult is it, to find your answers in season? They spent all is it to find your answers in the season? They spent all year trying to find their answers in season this year on the blue line And the only way they answered it was creating JT Miller, which they didn't want to do right? so like it's a really really difficult and a In a real small needle they have to spread this off season and you know Like this is this is where you're gonna make your money right, right? Like Jim Rutherford has been, he's a hall of fame executive. He's played a national hockey league player.

Like, you know, like you're going to have to put together all his experience, all his might, and he has one final magic act here, uh, towards the end of his career. How much should Connex fans be worried that management right now is incentivized to go all in for next season? And if it doesn't work for them, well, they'll bring in a new management group and the management group will inherit some of the issues that the past management group created by being short-sighted. It's happened before, I think.

Yeah. I mean, it's certainly, it's always a risk, right? Cause anytime you're in a position where, and I wouldn't say like, and I'd say that this desperation isn't just around management and their job is because it's all tied to keeping Quinn Hughes. A lot of it comes down to that ultimately, right? And you can't just be reckless about it.

You can't trade your future just to try to be good this year. I mean, Quinn also sees that. And I think as far as you doing your job, there's a valuation that you can't exceed. And as much as you're willing to make trades and as much as you're willing to be more aggressive than other teams, you also can't be reckless. And this is where, if you're truly doing

what's best for the organization, yes, you're gonna do what you can to keep your job and make sure that you can stay in this position to make this team better. But can you truly be an effective manager in this league if you're controlling all caution to the wind and being completely reckless? So I really hope that's not what happens.

There's risk next to it, but I do think that they are earnestly trying to walk both paths to some degree, improve the team significantly, but at the same time still allowing them to have a base to be successful out beyond the season. Let's circle back to Adam Foote here for a sec. Having had a front row seat to this entire season

and all that happened, what do you think Adam Foote has learned about building or maintaining a relationship with Elias Pedersen? Well, so I think what's interesting about Adam Foote, the biggest thing that he's going to have to navigate is how do you go from being the guy that perhaps would pull PD aside and be a friend to him after he got ripped by somebody, whether it was talk it or somebody on the team being tough on him and saying, Hey, listen, I know they're tough on you, but

this is what they're trying to tell you. This is what we're trying to get you to do. Cause I think one thing that he's done a really good job of, and you hear this about from other players on the team as well, is that he was really good at talking to guys that were down a little bit, or he was really good at trying to reach guys and be a guy that they can rely on. And he really showed that he had players backs. And I know he mentioned that yesterday, I think he was talking to Chris Faber about the guys in the Y have their back.

And that's something that I've heard from some players feeling like he's a guy that we felt would back us no matter what, whether it was a personal issue, whether it was on the ice, whether it was a confrontation with somebody else, like he would be somebody that you could lean on and make you feel better about the situation. So I think he's really, I think he emotionally really understands the players on this team. I think he emotionally understands Leigh as Pederson, but it's a lot different going from being the good cop or the nice guy as the assistant coach that brings guys together. So all of a sudden being the guy that may have to crack the lip sometimes. And I think that's going to be the biggest thing he's going to have to

navigate. And you'd hope that with his experience and knowing these guys emotionally, he could find a way to do that. That can be effective. But we spoke to Yannick a couple of weeks ago and he said, the biggest concern I have with hiring your assistant to become a head coach is that you're moving a guy from being the good guy to all of a sudden becoming the boss and the bad guy that can create some difficulties in a locker room sometimes. Is there something to be said for,

we've said all we can to Elias. He's either gonna get the message or he's not. And let's see what he's like. Cause I just feel like, like I understand the notion of wanting to control what he does and wanting to essentially babysit him. And I know a lot of people are wondering like,

is Foot gonna go over to Sweden? And I am too, like, is he gonna have a conversation with him? But it's kind of like, hasn't it all been said? Like, hasn't it, like, if it's, are we hoping for this, like, are we hoping for Pedersen to be like, oh, I never understood what you were saying to me for the last year. Like it's, it's either he's going to do it or

he's not going to do it. Is there something to be said for that? Yeah, I think that's, that's accurate. And if anything, I think, you know, people are wondering if you brought a new coach in, would they have a different approach with Pedersen and Hey, perhaps a different coach from a different organization would have a different view of doing things. But one thing that's really interesting and Woodley mentioned this yesterday when he was on with us on, on central.

And he said that if anything, this coaching staff and this organization felt that in training camp, they were too easy on PD. They felt that they maybe should have, you know, forced him to have his own extended training camp the way they did with Dakota Joshua when he came into camp a couple of years ago, not in the shape he needed to be. They felt like they almost left it to his own devices too much. So this notion of, um, you know, maybe they need to be softer on him or perhaps find a gentler way to approach him. That's not how they view things. Cause if that's how you feel about this year that you weren't tough enough on

him in training camp, I mean, that kind of tells you about they firmly believe it's on the player. And I know that there's a lot of angst in the, uh, in the market. And as soon as I say that, I know they're going to have that whole, you know, like the clip about the angst thing that gets written up every once in a while. But nonetheless, I think a lot of that stuff, I know fans want to point the finger at somebody.

That's only, I know it's a hard reality to look at it and say, is it Leah's Patterson, the problem, or was it the coach or the organization or the environment that made this, you know, elite level player drop down two or three levels and it's a lot more comforting thinking that it's the environment that brought him down as opposed to it being him. But I think the belief organizationally is it comes down to him individually. Now, the good news, if you want to look at it in a positive way is I know he's in Sweden now, but the past couple months, even before the season ended and how he's trying to recover

and get back, there was a sense that there has been a bit of a switch with his attitude. And those things are easy to do for a short amount of time, right, for a month or two or whatever, but is that truly what he's going to embrace? And we're gonna find out on training camp. And I'm with you guys. I'm not sure that we're at a stage where if you bring in somebody individually for Patterson,

that was gonna make a difference. It comes down to him. Sat, this was great, man. Thanks for taking the time to do it. Enjoy the presser today. Have a good show. We'll do the skin soon. Yeah, anytime, boys.

Chat soon. Thanks, buddy. That's Satyar Shah, Canucks Central host here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Here comes the music. I will remind you that the new head coach of the Vancouver Canucks, Adam Foote, is going to meet with the media today

at 11 o'clock this morning. So I'm sure we'll have wall-to-wall coverage here on Sportsnet 650. As Jason likes to say, keep it on the dial. For now though, we gotta say goodbye. We'll be back tomorrow with Ask Us Anything Fridays and a $100 gift card to AJ's Pizza on East Broadway. Keep it on the dial.

Signing off for now, I have been Mike Halford, he's been Jason Breff, he's been A-Dog and he's been Laddie. This has been the Halford and Breff Show on Sportsnet 650.