Halford & Brough in the Morning - Save The Whitecaps

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

In hour three, Mike & Jason discuss Edmonton's big game one win over the Ducks with Oilers television commentator Jack Michaels (1:05), plus the boys tell us what they learned (27:00). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Jack Michaels. Oilers play-by-playman for SportsNet here on the Halford & Brough Show on SportsNet 650. Morning, Jack. How are you? Morning, guys. How are you? Another day at the office for the Oilers. Yeah, that was such an Oilers game last night,

except for the fact that McDavid didn't have any points. It was, you know, they got off to a good start. looked like they had a lead, then blew the lead, and then they have the firepower and the offensive surge to finally get it done. What did you think of the game? Well, I mean, you said it. It's typical not only of Edmonton to flirt with disaster, but also pull it out at the end, but also, you know, it shows you what the playoffs are all about and why they call it the second season and why they say the regular season matters not. You go through an entire season in Edmonton's case without a win

when McDavid does not have a point, and you get it in the first game of the playoffs. And Anaheim, on the flip side, had lost one game all year when leading after two periods, and they see a three-two league get away. And the tough thing for Anaheim is when you're a decided underdog in a series, you really feel like an opportunity got away from you last night. I think outside of Colorado, L.A., I think, in fact, sports nets, what, 20 experts, 19 of 20 instead of 20.

And Colorado's case picked Edmonton. And to leave one on the table like that for Anaheim has to be extremely disappointing. So we'll see, you know, what the ducks have in store for game two. But, you know, as I said leading into the series, the one thing about Los Angeles is if you play a lousy game, they're not going to run away from you. They're not going to score, you know, five or six goals. You know, if Edmonton thinks the series is over, you know, believe me, it's not. And Anaheim can embarrass you because they do have the firepower, as we saw last night,

to come back no matter what the score is. Nice to have dry sidle back. That zone entry on the winning goal, you know, he took on essentially two ducks. I mean, we were talking about it earlier on the show. It was speed, it was power, it was skill, and then Pod Colson with a nice pass to Capnin, and the game was pretty much done. Yeah, I mean, you know, again, you're talking about, let's be conservative and just say, all right, one of the top five players in the world is back in your lineup.

And, you know, Leon Drysidal, the pain threshold is exceptionally high, and he does it a different way than Connor McDavid. And you pointed it out. You know, he's got everything in the toolbox. But he's got, you know, he's a little bit more like, you know, 66 in the sense that it's tough to get the puck from him. It really is, especially, you know, when he's on a bit of a mission there. He's got the big paddle, but he also has, you know, more of a Lemieux body type

in terms of the wide shoulders. You know, it says he's six, too, but he just, makes himself awfully huge out there and is very strong on the puck when he needs to be. And, you know, as he said after the game, he said, well, I was okay. You know, he flubbed a couple of one-timers. But as his timing comes back, you know, again, if Edmondson gets the support scoring, which, you know, and I said going into the series, I think the Oilers might have sneaky depth that people don't realize.

And it's going to be tested because I don't think Adam Henrique is a lock to return this series, you know, let alone, you know, let alone game two. But they, they also have a fourth line that, that I think, you know, obviously Vancouver fans saw a piece of, you know, Colton Doc had a Gordy Howe in Game 82. He and Trent Frederick have really started to play well over the last couple weeks. And it was Doc that got Frederick going. And if, if that, because they've got a little skill, I mean, last night, Doc had eight hits and eight, minutes and they can work the puck a little bit too they've they've got more skill and people give them credit for and certainly in frederick's case more skill than he's shown in edmonton and we

saw that you know in boston they might have a deeper lineup than anyone believes right now and that was on display last night and you guys obviously have had a front row for jason dixon i mean are you going to expect two goals every night no of course of course not but but I think, you know, in his defense, he has given Edmonton what they haven't had in a very long time. And that is your prototypical, you know, shutdown third line guy, a guy who can saw the opposition's top line off and allow McDavid and Dry Settle to go to work. You know, the front row seats for Jason Dickinson in Vancouver weren't all that expensive. Yes, no. You're right. You're right. And that's a fair comment.

I mean, it just, you know, it did not work out in Vancouver, but I think you'd concede that in his other stops, you know, he shows you, he shows you what, you know, what is possible when you have a third line guy to cancel that out. And, you know, and obviously have your top six. He's a good player. He's a good, reliable player. He's a good, that's the type of player, the Oilers needed for sure. Of the two, who was the more unlikely hero last night?

Was it Dickinson with his two goals? Or was it Caspery Capon with his two goals? Well, I think, to be honest with you, I would say Dickinson. Because, you know, offensively, he had just the one goal in 17 games with the Oilers. Capitin, you know, again, he's the one who got dry-settled back on his line. And, you know, you get dry-settled back on your line and all possibilities become available. And, you know, Caspery Capitan, he has spent a decent portion of his career as a bit of a tease. As we all know, there was a time in Toronto where he was in that mix.

I mean, he, in fact, was ahead briefly, I know, but he was ahead, if you look at it, of guys like Nylander at one point. I mean, he had a real shot in Toronto to become, you know, part of that. future and then, you know, he bounced around a little bit. But he always has shown promise at various stops. I think he had a hat trick in Pittsburgh. I mean, and obviously in Edmonton, he's found a bit of a home on the line with Leon Drysadle. And the reason is, is what really, you know, showed up in Toronto is he's got speed and power. And he's a bit of a disturber out there. No one likes playing against Caspery Cap and he's got a little jam to his game. It's just whether or not he can, you know, be engaged every game.

That's what, that's what, you know, allows players to start bouncing around is when they don't bring it every game. But he's scored some big goals for Edmondson, and he, of course, ended the Vegas series with an overtime goal last year against the Golden Knights to close them out in five. So I was not, you know, as surprised to see Capitan return to form with dry subtle back in the lineup. I don't expect you to answer why this has come to be,

but just your takeaways from last night, Mason McTavish finishes with 1207 in Ice Time. He's the second lowest forward among all the ducks. Like Tim Washy's getting more minutes than him at forward. It just feels like he's almost not out there at times. Again, I'm not asking you to answer for it, but what did you see or maybe didn't see from McTavish in game one yesterday? Well, I think really if you look at the last 20 games,

that pattern started to develop. Now, what I was really intrigued with, let's first talk about what you mentioned in terms of where he ranked in the forwards and what the utilization was. One really bright spot for Anaheim is that Joel Quenville was completely unafraid to start in the D zone with Ian Moore,

a rookie, who's playing out of position up front, Tim Washi, a rookie, and Jeff Vial, a journeyman in the American Hockey League, they started de-zoned draws consistently against not just McDavid's line, but when Edmondton loaded up, McDavid and Dry Settle together. And Quenville never ducked from that matchup, and you know what? It didn't cost them at all. That line was extremely effective, nearly scored a goal. I mean, it was clearly goaltender interference, but the point is, is they had an impact in the game, and they did not hurt the Ducks at all. And if for some reason, Joel Quenville sticks with that strategy and it somehow, you know, works.

Now, I think you got away with it a little bit. I don't expect Tim Washington to shut down Connor McDavid. But that could be, you know, that could be a major development for the Ducks. If they're able to channel, let's say, you know, as we all saw from their first seven or eight years in the league, Vegas, who was completely unafraid to play their fourth line, you know, when they had guys like Ryan Reeves. I mean, they played that fourth line, if you remember Ryan Reeves, Ryan Carpenter, the Belmar. I mean, they utilized those fourth line guys constantly for the first six or seven years. It didn't matter who the coach was, whether it was DeBoer or Galant.

and that was a real advantage for Vegas in its first six or seven years in league. If Anaheim can somehow utilize that, that's a major development. But I also think it's indicative of what we saw down the stretch. And that was, you know, Mason McTavish was a scratch. I think at least two or three times this year is a healthy scratch. And, you know, again, I don't know what's in store for that team. They've got a lot of promise in front of them. but it leads me to believe with guys that they're eventually going to have to get signed like Leo Carlson and Beck at Seneca, there's usually a casualty.

We just talked about Caspery Caputon in Toronto. You know, I'm wondering whether supremely talented players like Mason McTavish and then on the back end, let's not forget about Olin Zelliger, who wasn't too long ago was a lock to be in Anaheim's lineup every night. So, you know, over the course of, you know, a young team's development, and especially when you bring in an established coach who's going to, you know, have his guys and be completely unafraid to go away from at one point guys you would think would be certainly a part of the team's future, there's usually a guy or two will drop off. I'm not saying McTavish is that guy yet. It's awfully early to start making statements like that. but I just wonder considering his deployment or lack thereof down the stretch and in last night's game one. What did you think of Connor Ingram's performance yesterday? And how do you feel about him being the guy for the Oilers as they try to get to another Stanley Cup final and this time win it?

Well, I mean, number one, it really doesn't care. It doesn't matter how I feel about it. I mean, I think Connor Ingram is the guy. If you're asking me, you know, am I surprised? Well, yeah, I think it's fair to say that considering he had to beat out three guys to get to the position he's in right now. He had to beat out Stuart Skinner, Calvin Pickard, and Tristan Jarre. I mean, to get to the number one hole. And you don't typically see that in the course of a single season on an established team who's been to two Stanley Cup final.

in a row. But what I will say is for the last six weeks, he has completely stabilized a position that's seemingly been in flux for the Oilers for what, you know, I think since the Coojo days. I mean, Dwayne Rollsson was there, but he got hurt. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's been a while since you haven't really had to look up to see who Edmonton starter is in net in a crucial game. and, you know, Ingram's played very well. Down the stretch, the last month of the season, he played to a save percentage of close to 93.

And I think, you know, the old joke on the others the last couple of years is even adequate goaltending and they probably win a Stanley Cup. Well, he's been more than adequate. So that theory is about to be put to the test. You've got a guy who's, again, you know, on his third, you know, third chance maybe. You know, maybe fourth. He turned out not to be, you know,

Julian Breeze-Bois guy when he was drafted by Tampa. He, similar to this year, he kind of ends up as Nashville starter in a year where, you know, they're in transition as far as their goaltender and they had some injuries and he stepped in for Big Save Dave and actually played well in a first round series against Colorado in 2022. But we all remember what Derek. Russell Sutter said about Colorado that year. It's a waste of eight days, and Ingram's efforts were wasted.

You know, and Ingram's efforts were wasted as Nashville was hopelessly outmatched. So now he gets a shot in Emmonson. And, you know, similar to, you know, similar to Calvin Pickard, at least, he's got a certain, I guess, presence around him. He's not as outgoing as Calvin Pickard is, but he's a nice guy, a little quirky, and most importantly, he's given Edmonton some confidence that they don't have to fall back into a, you know, a one-three-one to make certain goals are not going to go into the net. He's given Edmonton a much-needed backbone down there. And so I feel like, you know, if he plays like this, and again, the depth continues to show up,

I think Edmonton's got a real shot in a season where many people started thinking, you know what, this is not going to be the year. Jack, thanks so much for taking the time to join us, the day after a game. Really enjoy your call, enjoy the energy that you bring to the game, and always enjoy chatting with you. Well, as you guys pointed out at the top of the show, I'm not sure I bring the energy. This isn't just a team. I don't know whether the Oilers are the best team in the National Hockey League,

but I don't think anyone to argue they've been the most entertaining team in the national hockey league the last four or five years. Well said, Jack. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate this. Take care. Jack Michaels, play-by-play voice at the Edmonton Oilers on Sportsnet here on the Halford and Breff Show on Sportsnet, 650.

I think the thing that makes the Oilers so entertaining is their imperfections. Like, we all know McDavid and Drysoddle. They're incredible. Yep. Right. Their goal-tending has been a little inconsistent. You think? They've got some defensemen that are debate-worthy.

Let's put it that way. Problematic. Well, not even problematic. Like, nurse is problematic. Nurses, absolutely. But Bouchard, you know, we kind of pick on Bouchard a little bit on this show just because he plays for the Oilers and he does have the odd gaff. He's an incredible hockey player. Like offensively, he is very good. And, you know, now would any defenseman pick up some points on the power play with McDavid and Drysson?

Yeah. But to pretend that he's just picking up points because he's playing with them is ridiculous. Like he is very skilled. He has a big shot and he's always willing to take it. There's no hesitation to take it. But he's also really good at finding McDavid and Drysettle in the spot. where they need the puck. He is

an unbelievable offensive defenseman. And I didn't want him on Team Canada, but then during the gold medal game, when they had those power plays that didn't go well, I was kind of like,

it would be nice to have them Bouchard out there because, you know, I didn't think Bouch bombs from the point. I didn't think McCar did all that greater job. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I mean, I mean, It wasn't horrible. I mean, look, Canada had plenty of chances to score and win that hockey game. I don't want to make it just about that one game, but they are entertaining because their players have these amazing strengths,

but also they have this ability to be like, what are you guys doing out there? You're going to win the Stanley Cup. How? Okay, I want to do what we learned to get the ball rolling for the next segment. And this is a really, real like recent while we learned because I just learned this within the last 20 minutes of the show.

So this is not great for any white cap supporter in the city of which the numbers continue to be growing based on the number of people in attendance on a weekly basis. But Axel Schuster conducted an interview with The Guardian out of the UK. Author's name is Owen O'Callaghan. You can see them on Twitter. I'm sure this piece will be making the rounds throughout today because the quotes that are within this guardian peace as it pertains to the future of the white caps in Vancouver are quite frankly damning. I'm going to read a couple of them. This is Axel Schuster, the Whitecaps sporting director and CEO,

to the Guardian. We believe in finding solutions, Schuster said. We'll go through the alphabet, solutions A, B, C, all the way through. But one day, and it might not be this year or the next year, we might be done with the alphabet and then maybe we'll have to look at other options we focus on this season we go all in but what happens after the season that's actually something nobody really knows but it doesn't feel good

then there's another one we're gonna need more letters in the alphabet yeah I'm not done yet okay he then goes on to say what else can we do to improve our situation you can't have a more exciting product on the pitch Mueller is loved by everyone. If that still leaves us at the bottom of everything in every revenue category,

then there is a bigger underlying problem that we can't solve ourselves anymore. We need to find solutions. Otherwise, I think everyone should be concerned about the long-term option of the white caps in Vancouver. Well, we already all are concerned. Can I read a quote that I found interesting?

Yes. he talked quickly about the the peony and he called it a challenging piece of land and he said look we're going to need way more than just us alone if we're going to try and figure that out then he has this quote that i found interesting would i prefer to have a beautiful little stadium like st louis or austin or lfc yeah but i've never excluded the option or possibility that bc place will be the solution and the long-term home. Yep. A lot of things would have to change, and that's no one's fault maybe. It's just what it is. The new calendar structure might change something.

Suddenly you're playing in different months, so there are many layers. It's a complex discussion. So when he said that he's never excluded the option or possibility that BC place will be the solution and the long-term home, how? Wow. Because right now, because right now, right now, Okay, what is it? They are hoping, and this is a small sliver of it,

but maybe their loan reason for optimism, they're hoping that a change to a winter schedule would open up more dates and more flexibility at BC Place, so at least they would get over that part of the problem. What about revenue? Revenue is the key. Not saying that, but I didn't say that I was solving the revenue problem. I've been told that the change to a winter schedule

would be more advantageous for MLS and the White Cups because BC Place has far less events. clogged up in the winter than they do in the summer. Like the summer concert series, which are usually a big deal in BC place, doesn't really want to say no to, you know, a big concert or the summer motocross series, which... That's a big one.

You can't discount those summer motocross people. But I'm just wondering, like, you know, how much of a change to the lease or the... Just the situation. Like, with the white caps have to... control the stadium? Like how are, but how is that possible?

How is that going to be possible? It's not. You know? It's not. I keep wondering, I know, I think they've addressed this and said, it's not possible, but I just keep wondering if they could buy the stadium or something like that. You know, are they looking at the end of the day also, I think we're all wondering,

are they looking for handouts? Are they looking for essentially public money to either directly or indirectly go to them? I mean, the operational cost. the BC place or just astronomical because it's so big. Yeah. You know? Like, I mean, he mentions in that clip, what I prefer to have a beautiful little stadium like St. Louis or Austin.

They're easier to manage. Yeah. It's half the size. I mean, just anything, the water bills, the electricity, all of it, like, it's a massive complex. And it's very difficult. The water bills. Hot water in BC Place. It costs a lot of money. I think BC Place's water bill

is probably through the roof. Right? Yeah. All of these things, like, you just don't understand how much it takes to They shouldn't have installed that grotto. The days are a bad idea. Two salariums? What? Waterfalls. Are you guys nuts?

Okay, we got to go to break. Should we quickly talk about that? We got to do it on the other side. Well, the save the caps day? Because we're already talking about the white caps. Sure. Saturday, April 25th. This is Saturday.

It's the last home game before the long break. The march to the match. So they're going to start at Dublin calling. Yep. which is 900 Granville, Saturday 6.30 p.m. ahead of the White Caps game. And I don't know if this is going to achieve anything because, you know, not to be negative. Like I think if you want to support the caps, go to this March. But I feel like MLS already knows that Vancouver is a great soccer market.

And I think MLS wants to be in Vancouver, but I don't know if this, unless on the way to the match, they can somehow build a stadium, I don't know. I think it's just going to help. I think it's just to draw more attention to the plight. I think that's what it is. And also, they're trying to find solidarity

with a lot of the places that are rumored to be for relocation. For example, I know it was mentioned yesterday, like Sacramento had a sign up at one of the recent USL games saying like, MLS, not in Sacramento, keep the white caps in Vancouver. Right.

Right. Like there's a solidarity among the supporters groups are like relocation's bad. Yeah. Keep teams where they are. Don't take team. out a good soccer market. You've said it a million times you think Vancouver's a great soccer city. And I agree. And losing the team would be a not a death knell, but it would be a real black mark on

the community at large. Okay, now we're way up against it for time. We're going to go to break. When we come back, we're going to do your what we learns. You're listening to the Halford and Breft Show on SportsNet 650. Canucks talk with Jamie Dodd and Thomas Drans. We'll dive deep into all that's happening with the Vancouver Canucks. Listen 12 to 2 p.m. on Sportsnet 650 or wherever you get your podcast. Now for my favorite part of the show, well, that's a Talk to the audience. Oh, God.

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And visit them online and the duikato group.com. Not bad. Not bad. Well done. On the subject of the White Caps conversation, just to address a couple different listener concerns, critiques,

dare I say complaints I don't think this is just me I don't think it's negative when we say we're not sure if supporters led March

to save the white caps is going to result in building a stadium we think it's admirable but it's we understand that it's symbolic and it's gesture and it's going to draw more attention to the plight but you can't draw straight line between a bunch of people walking from Dublin calling to BC Place to we're going to get a stadium built.

Like, come on, right? I mean, I think we already showed how strong we are as a market with two sold-out games at BC Place last season. I mean, I think MLS probably watched that game against LAFC and be like, you know, Vancouver might be a pretty strong soccer market. And, you know, I may be as soon as I announced the March, I kind of said, I don't know what this is going to accomplish and maybe I shouldn't have done it that way. Such a jerk. But no, I'm not trying to be negative. My mind just

quickly jump to like, I don't know if this is going to do anything. But I, listen, we're happy to publicize that they're having this march. I think it's a good idea and it can't hurt. Maybe you'll meet some people.

Sure. Hopefully it's a nice day. And then you get to go to the soccer game because we're not going to have a Whitecaps home game. for a few months after Saturday. So by all means, it is admirable that they're having this march. But I think once the march is over,

you know, everyone's going to be like, that was a fun march. But, uh, situation isn't really changing, is it? I'll just say it. Like, they're in a very tough spot right now. And they're kind of past the point of gestures and hope. Like, they need something tangible.

Because when the sporting director and CEO is saying the kind of things he's saying to a prominent media and news outlet like The Guardian. I don't know how many more warning signs can be shot that we're just past the point of being like, hey, you might want to keep an eye on this or, hey, the situation's dire. But it just, I just come back to that, that quote by Axel, where he said he hasn't ruled out BC Place as a long-term option. Maybe this is the cynical part of me, which is 99% of me.

but you know that quote alone is that not an attempt to put pressure on the provincial government to be like hey guys do better or you know what else it is it's reflective of how few options they have right now yeah okay i guess it depends how you how you take it is that is that just pure honesty yes but like but no but when he comes out he said i haven't i haven't i haven't given up on the option of bc place as a as a long-term option that's not negative. I know. He's been super transparent about that. He's like, we've tried to work with the provincial government and we understand

their limitations and restrictions. No, but if he was being super honest, he'd say there's no future at BC Place. There is no solution that we can come together on. He is leaving that option open, apparently, based on his comments. Well, and I'm just wondering like, but he said it would be our long term

home, but a lot of things would have to change. But what are those things? Let's change them then. Is it, is it the provincial government? You're like, all right, here's a check for $50 million. we'll be delivering that every year. But he said this before. Like a lot of things would need to change. But like what?

Give us a list of all the things that need to change. How far do things need to go? And does it veer into the category of public subsidies? That's what we want. That's what everyone wants to know. Is this a play to get a handout? Or is this being like, man, things are dire. We're losing millions of dollars.

we're probably going to move. Well, that's going to be the next step. The next step is going to be a very clear outline of what they need to have in order to stay at BC Place. Would be my guess. You know what? You know what we'll do. And I know we're way up against it for time

because Laddy's got to what we learned. When he says a lot of things need to change, all right, lay them out for us. And I think they're going to. What does that scenario look like? Is he talking about the profits they make from games because like BC Place takes it not them? I think it's like profit sharing or...

It need to be like a total overhaul. Like you're not a tenant anymore. maybe you're the operator of the building. Maybe you're the owner. I don't know, but I'll tell you this. If you go back and you look at the Columbus situation back in 2017, and I have been kicking the tires on a couple of the writers from the dispatch who covered the Save the Crew and the Columbus situation almost a decade ago,

you can kind of see where the public statements evolve into we're at risk. There's a concern. and then it gets down to like... But there's still a solution maybe. But then it gets down to brass tax where it's like, okay, this is what we need. And this is what we need. Otherwise, we're moving.

Seems like a far easier lift to get a stadium built in Columbus than Vancouver. Sure, but just to your point about like, when's the list of demands, for lack of a better term, going to come from the way. Yeah, yeah. That'll come out of it. So on social media, NAV replied,

because I tweeted out this, this Guardian article. And NAV texted in and said, it's so obvious that the owners of this team and more importantly, MLS does not want the team in Vancouver. They want to move to the U.S. I think that's 100% wrong. I would disagree with that.

If they want to go to the U.S., they want to expand. They don't want to relocate. Yeah, I think that's just... Faction fees are where you make the money sign with your fingers, not moving a team from Vancouver. I think that's totally wrong. And I think the owners, even though they're going to look out for their investment

and they're not going to continue to lose money. or maybe sell the team for $200 million less than they could if it was relocated to the States just in order to keep it in Vancouver. They're probably not going to do that. I think they feel an obligation to try their best to keep it in Vancouver. And I really think that MLS wants to be in Vancouver. They don't want to be seen as failing a World Cup host city. And again, I'll tell you what MLS does.

Great soccer city. They want to have that rivalry with Seattle and Portland. They love that. I'll tell you what MLS doesn't like, though. BC plays. Yeah, they don't. But here's another thing that they'll probably like about Vancouver. If they're switching to this winter schedule, which they are,

Vancouver is just like, they're perfect, right? You don't have to worry about, oh, it's too hot in the summer. It's too cold in the winter. Vancouver is just like, Vancouver's like England, right? Like England, the same weather. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, a lot of rain. A lot of rain, but you're not worried.

about, you know, grass growing conditions or you don't have to rejig your schedule because it's, you know, too cold or too hot at certain times of the year. You know, this idea, unless I'm way off on this, and I don't think I am, this idea that MLS wants out of Vancouver, I think it just couldn't be further from the truth. Okay. I don't think we're going to mook how that. I think we're going to just go right to Laddie. Now, this is an interesting development.

You're going to have to lay this all out for us. but ESPN rules expert, former NHL referee Dave Jackson, reached out to you on social media about the goal that was scored last night, taken off the board, the penalty shot that ensued, just walk us through everything that went on in the Ottawa Carolina. So what happened yesterday, we kind of went through to the top of the show, but I'll go through it again. There was a goal scored an overtime by the Carolina Hurricanes.

They thought the game was over. Mark Jenkowski. But an infraction was called just before that. and it was a delayed penalty shot call. The goal was then wiped off the board due to an offside challenge, but the penalty shot was still awarded, even though that time technically didn't exist

because you rolled a clock back to when the offside happened, they still got the penalty shot. So my theory was, instead of scoring into the Ottawa net, what would have happened if Carolina scored into their own net during a delayed penalty shot call? An own empty net goal. So from whatever, all the things I read about penalty shots,

it was pretty hard to nullify a penalty shot. So my theory was the goal would count, but they would still be awarded the penalty shot. Dave Jackson, he knows the rule book a little bit better than me. So he reached out and said, they've thought about this. They've actually thought about this scenario, and there is a trump card in the rulebook.

That says, only one goal may be scored during any stoppage of play. Okay. So this means that if there are two competing penalty shot calls, one for each team on the same play, they award the first penalty shot. If that player scores, that second penalty shot

turns into a regular penalty. I never realized that. And then if they didn't score on that first penalty shot, then the second penalty shot would be awarded. So it's a pretty bizarre scenario. And I threw another curve ball.

That wouldn't be controversial at all. I threw another curve ball out of him. I said, could Carolina have challenged themselves for being offside to nullify their own goal? And he had an interesting tip. bit and said if you score on your own net that goal may not be challenged in any way. Wow. It's in

the rule book that you cannot challenge an own goal. Hand pass, high stick over the glass. You cannot challenge an own goal in any way. I didn't know any of these rules. I love how they have contingencies for just every year. I thought you read the rulebook every night though. Not enough apparently. Dave Jackson's got me beat. You know what?

A bunch of guys sitting around a table. Okay, what if this happens? This happens and stacking these things on top of each other. This might be the most ever learned in what we learned to say. So good on Dave Jackson and good on you, Laddie. Honestly, that information went in my brain. And then it was like, I'm not going to need this.

And if I do, someone else will solve it for me. Don't be a rap. Just don't be a wrap. See you later. All right, boo cow. I got a tiny one. Yeah, I know you do. Oh, okay.

You want to do what we learn. Yeah. How do you know, by the way? Go ahead. Okay. I learned that there is a hungry, hungry hippos movie being made. Now we play the waiting game. No, the waiting game sucks.

Let's play hungry, hungry hippos. Now the twist of this is it's a horror movie titled Hungry, the unofficial Hungry, Hungry Hippos Horror Movie releasing June 23rd. And the tagline is, after becoming lost in the Louisiana Swamplands, a group of holiday makers must fight for their lives against a rampaging hippo on the loose. How was there a hippo in Louisiana? Is there a zoo or something? He was there on vacation too?

Yeah, he was just hanging out. Right. Is this from the makers of cocaine bear? Is this? That I don't know. What about cocaine hippo? Yeah. I just want to be in that room when they greenlight these things.

Somebody's just playing hungry, hungry hippos one day and they're just like, wait a second. How is it? This could be a horror movie. But how is it based off of the game? Because the hippo is hungry. But is that it? Touche. Yeah, that's it.

And they're playing hungry, hungry. Hens are like, man, this hippo is hungry. What if there's a marvels at it? Hungry in real life. And you know the hippo is the deadliest land mammal on earth, right? We had the debate about that earlier in the show. But you learned a lot today. We learned a lot today.

No, it's not. I googled it. It is the deadliest land mammal. But what does the hippo eat? Well, people, evidently. And marbles. Watermelons that you threw up commercial. Not those watermelons, but it turns out it's humans. But what do they eat?

Google it. Okay. I feel like if there's a hungry, hungry hippos movie, we should know what they actually eat. I've seen one eat an entire watermelon. Well, no, I just said watermelon. They are primarily nocturnal herbivores that consume roughly 80 to 110 pounds of short grasses per night.

Mainly grass eaters. Was there no grass available in Louisiana? Or was this like the hippos like, I'm so sick of eating grass. You know, like I could see that, right? It would be exhausting and be like another salad. You know what? This movie does track because it says they may occasionally eat fruit, aquatic plants,

and in rare nutrient-deficient cases, meat. So there you go. Yep. They need to... By the way, the tagline for the movie is, uh, this hippo ain't playing games. Nice. So there's your hungry, hungry hippos tie-in. Directed by Steven Spielberg, too.

Spurge, Texan. Cocaine hippo would not be hungry. No. Not at all. All right, mukow that. Mucow cocaine hippo. I never thought I'd say it. But here I am.

Cal cocaine hippo. I kind of show are you running there. What are you doing with these words? Not a good one. Okay. Let's fire up the dot matrix. Cubanite submissions for what we learned brought to is always by A.J's Pizza on East Broadway. From corporate events to special events, there's no order too large order online at AJ's.

That pizza. Okay, we're going to try and power away through these. So, Adog, turn your mic off. Rob and Surrey, what I've learned over the years is that nobody in North America defends and protects their team as much as Edmonton Media does with the Edmonton others. You know, I miss the times when Vancouver Media would go on to radio stations and other markets and defend the Canucks. But now it's kind of like, yeah, it's pretty bad.

Nothing to defend. Alistair in Clearwater, I really like this. This is a very good text. The Penguins making the playoffs this year feels a lot like the Canucks making the playoffs in 2014-15. Yeah, it does. And there were some victory laps by the Canucks. A lot of people said we should have torn it down.

Look, we need the playoffs. With Dan Mews reprising the role as Willie Desjardin. Yeah. By the way, we didn't play the audio, but I clipped it. That was the first time I had ever heard Dan Mews speak last night. He doesn't have a voice to match his face, does he? Nope, not at all. No.

He looks like a Nintendo Wii character. He kind of does. Dustin from Abby, what we learn when Axel Schuster is giving quotes that sound like they could be coming from Live CEO, Scott O'Neill. that's not exactly an encouraging situation to be in. Yeah, Livgolf is done, man. They might last the rest of the season, but they are done. I have a feeling the funding's going to be pulled from that by the Saudis at the end of the year. And I think, I think Deschambeau is planning his exit from that tour, which would be essentially the end of the tour.

And I know there are some people that are like, well, they could find another investor. I'm like, oh, oh, yeah? Yeah, who? You know who should be to new investors? Taylor Gooch. Yeah, they could put some of that money back in. Back to what gave.

Yeah, I think they're done. Prove me wrong. Live golf. Basketball, Phil, what we learned, there is a spinoff of Jeopardy coming to ESPN and Joe Buck is going to be the host of it. My question to this is, how did it take so long

for something like this to happen? I guess they did have a trivia show of sorts with Stump The Schwab? Yep. But that was a 1V1. They've done Sports Jeopardy in the past, have they not? Well, there's like a category.

This isn't called Sports Jeopardy, though. This is branded as ESPN Jeopardy, right? So it's going to have a particular, like, lean, I would imagine. Because they've done music Jeopardy. I feel like they've done sports as well. There's nothing funnier, by the way, than when sports fans get kind of uppity when the nerds on the contestants, like, don't get it. You know, like, there's like, this team coached by Bill Belichick and with

quarterback Tom Brady won whatever how many Super Bowls and they're like yeah I don't know you're idiots yeah what do you don't know Terry Bradshaw come on there'll be like a quantum physics category and they'll nail it and the sports fans are like yeah they didn't even get the Patriots one you said the Milwaukee Brewers what an idiot it's a Milwaukee bucks Mina Kimes has been on Celebrity Jeopardy and she feels so much pressure anytime there's a sports category I feel bad for her they're like you better nail this entire category There's been a couple where I've been watching them. I don't know that one.

Yeah, there's some tough ones. But yeah, I'll be very curious to see how, because they're obviously putting a fair amount of resources into it, if they're going to get Joe Buck to host it. By the way, speaking of changes to sports programming, as we segue off, there's a report coming out of the athletic. You know how Tony Dungey was booted from Football Night in America on NBC,

Sunday night football, the prime time there? You know who they're going to get to replace them? Mike Tomlin is. the rumored replacement. He's going to be joining football night in America. Okay. I think he'll be good on that. He'll be thoughtful.

Yep. I wonder if he, I mean, how much long, do you think he's done as a coach or he's going to take a year or two off and then get another goal? Bill Cowr went to TV and never came back. Yeah. He's like,

this is so much easier. Seriously. And they have a lot in common, right? Both former Pittsburgh Steelers coaches. All right. Well, there's the music. Okay, it's been a fun show. Thank you all for listening

and thank you all for contributing. We've got to get out of here for today, but we will be back tomorrow. signing off. I have been Mike Halford. He's been Jason Brough. He's been A-Dog. She's been interned Jordan and he's been Lattie. And this has been the Halford & Brough show on Sportsnet, 650.