Halford & Brough in the Morning - The Arty Party Will Continue

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

In hour one, Mike & Jason look back at the previous day in sports (3:00), they talks the Arturs Silovs extension (6:00), they react to the MLB All Star Game (13:00), plus they chat some summertime foo...tball news with NFL Insider & Too Deep Zone's Mike Tanier (27:00). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Starting point is 00:00:49 From the Kintec Studios In beautiful Fairview Slopes in Vancouver Jason Bruff is back from vacation everybody Good morning Jason He's back from Italy That's what that means A-Dog, good morning to you And Laddy, good morning to you as well
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Starting point is 00:01:40 We are coming to you live from the Kintec studio. Kintec, Canada's favorite orthotics provider, powered by thousands of five-star Google reviews. So, what are you waiting for? Kintec, that's what you're waiting for. So, Jason is back. We are back for the remainder of the week.
Starting point is 00:01:53 We'll get into the guest list right away. Joining us at 6.30, Mike Tanier, our NFL insider. His substack is the 2 Deep Zone. He's going to be joining us to talk about Brandon Ayuk's trade request. Big signings in Chicago. Caleb Williams rumored to be done. Romo Dunzey done. Do we really believe that Brandon Ayuk's going to actually be
Starting point is 00:02:11 traded? No. None of these guys ever get traded. Right. But there was a deadline. There's like, okay, we've done all this stuff. Now is the time I request a trade. The timeless dance. The training camp hasn't even started yet. We're in July. It continues.
Starting point is 00:02:28 You know what other trade I want to ask him about is Aaron Rodgers planting the seed for a Devontae Adams trade, which he did over the weekend at a golf tournament. So we'll ask Mike about all that, get caught up with our NFL insider in the middle of July, which is always a good time to do that. Aaron Rodgers stirring the pot. Can you imagine? Who would have thought? Who would have thunk it?
Starting point is 00:02:45 But there he is,gers stirring the pot. Can you imagine? Who would have thought? Who would have thunk it? But there he is, just stirring the pot. 7 o'clock, Zach Worden, MLB writer for Sportsnet, is going to join us. All-Star game last night, so a couple games off. We'll talk to Zach primarily about the Jays. I don't know why there's all this talk about a Vladdy contract extension. What's going on there? I thought they were trading Vladdy.
Starting point is 00:03:00 That guy went 0-2 in the All-Star game. He's done. You can sign a new contract with the team he gets traded to. You can't resign. That was actually a very Vladdy performance in the All-Star game. He's done. You can sign a new contract with the team he gets traded to. You can't resign. That was actually a very Vladdy performance in the All-Star game. A couple ground outs. Well, getting robbed on one of them. The turn to play was beautiful.
Starting point is 00:03:13 It was. Yeah. Yeah. He hit the ball hard and on the ground. On the ground. Got to clear that infield button. 730 Thomas Drance from the Athletic Vancouver in Canucks stock here on Sportsnet 650. News out of Canucks camp yesterday is that Artie Silov's
Starting point is 00:03:27 signed a two-year deal, so we'll talk to Drance about that. We'll get into that as well. 8 o'clock, Blues ringside reporter Andy Strickland is going to join the podcast. So Andy Strickland did a podcast, the Cam and Strick podcast, with one of the new Vancouver Canucks, Jake DeBrusque. We've got a bunch of audio from that. A couple of really interesting clips about his not one,
Starting point is 00:03:49 but two trade requests out of Boston. And then him singing the praises of JT Miller. See, I thought he'd be singing the praises of his new center, Elias Pettersson. But the controversy has already begun because it's clear that Jake DeBrusque wants to play with JT Miller now. That's just my assessment. That'd be hilarious.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Even if that's not true, we should start that rumor. I know. I know it should be an ongoing rumor throughout the summer. Definitely. I may be catching some of you up. Trouble in paradise. Yeah, right. I may be catching some of you up.
Starting point is 00:04:14 DeBrusque on the podcast was like, wasn't Petey pretty bad at the end of the season? Does he really make 11.6? Anyway, Andy Strickland is going to join us at 8. We'll also talk to him about the potentially huge injury to Torrey Krug in St. Louis that could rule him out for the year and the status on Joel Quenville trying to return to coaching in the NHL because I know Andy Strickland, I believe he's pretty tight with Joel Quenville at the very least.
Starting point is 00:04:37 He's been one of the hockey industry people at the forefront of providing updates about Joel Quenville's return to coaching in the National Hockey League. So working in reverse on the guest list, eight o'clock, Andy Strickland, 730 Thomas Drance, seven o'clock,
Starting point is 00:04:51 Zach Worden, 630 Mike Tanier. We got a lot to get into. So without further ado, Laddie, let's tell everybody what happened. Hey, did you guys see the game last night?
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Starting point is 00:05:13 Making safety simpler by giving construction companies the best in tools, resources, and safety training. Visit them online at bccsa.ca. On Tuesday, the Canucks announced through general manager Patrick Alvin that the club has agreed to a two-year contract extension with beloved backup goalie and new folk hero Artur Shilovs. The deal will have a very tidy AAV for the Canucks anyway, $850,000. And now your Canucks goaltending triumvirate is set. It is Thatcher Demko, it is Artur Shilovs,
Starting point is 00:05:44 and it is Pavel Patera in goal for the Canucks. Yeah, this was a big story in Italy, and they were just wondering when is Shelovs going to sign. Day and night. Was there a celebration
Starting point is 00:05:54 in the streets? Well, I wasn't there when it actually broke, but I assume it was. Sorry, I got to interrupt. Yuri Patera. I said Pavel Patera, former Minnesota Wild forward Pavel Patera.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Oh, my. I see nothing has changed. Not to be confused with Ken Patera, the wrestler. He's also in that for the conference here. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. Done? Pavel Patera, everybody.
Starting point is 00:06:20 And now I've completely lost track. Now I'm thinking about that wrestling movie that I watched on the plane about the Von Erich family. Oh, the Iron Claw? Yeah. Did you like it? Yeah, it was great. I just loved it.
Starting point is 00:06:31 It was so much fun. So they got in a lot of crap with the trailers because they tried to position it as being like an uplifting movie. Oh, it was horrible. Does anyone know this story? And then I actually read about the the real family and for the movie they had to combine two guys yeah like like in the movie only two of them no and their lives in real life three of them and their lives spoiler alert yeah yeah i was gonna watch it tonight um i
Starting point is 00:07:00 knew about who cares what i i knew about the i knew about the family because I was really into wrestling. Yeah, I'd never heard of them. Yeah, and when I heard they were making a movie about them, I'm like, oh, that's going to be the most tragic movie of 2024. And then I saw the trailers and I was like, feels more uplifting than the actual story was. Anyway, it was nice to get off track with you again. And that's what we do here in the Helper to Brough show.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Seeloff, as we all know, played heroically in the playoffs after Demko got hurt, even though at the end of the day, you might look at his numbers and say, you know, his numbers weren't overall too great in the playoffs. The kid was put in a very, very tough position and he played very, very well. But we all know it's dangerous to assume a
Starting point is 00:07:41 young goalie's progression will be linear. Right, Laddie? Right, Laddie? Right, Laddie? Like to assume that Seelovs is going to come back and play the way that he did last season. That is correct. That's why the Canucks also signed Yuri Patera after moving on from Casey to Smith, as Hofford mentioned. Patera might make the Canucks over Seelovs to start the season simply because Seeloffs is waivers exempt and they may not want to put Patera on
Starting point is 00:08:09 waivers and then be like, oh, we lost that guy. Hmm. The Canucks will also want Seeloffs to, you know, play hockey, make lots of starts as opposed to sitting on the bench for like, I don't know what, 80% of the games in Vancouver, 70% of the games in Vancouver. At any rate, I don't think we can talk a little bit more about this with
Starting point is 00:08:27 Drance because I know he wrote about it for The Athletic, but I think all three goalies are going to be really interesting to watch at training camp and into the preseason. Silovs and Patera, just to see who starts as the backup for Demko, but also Demko to see how he looks after ending the season injured. I know there was lots of talk about whether or not he could have come back if the Canucks had advanced past the Edmonton Oilers, but we never got to see that.
Starting point is 00:08:53 And in some ways, I kind of felt like the Canucks, I have no proof of this, but you know, this is our show. I kind of felt like the Canucks were just stringing along either their opponents or maybe it was a bit of psychological stuff like, oh yeah, Demko's ready to come. He's ready. He's ready to go. Right?
Starting point is 00:09:11 Like, I don't know how close he ultimately was. And if it was the regular season, how much longer he would have been out. So how is this all going to affect his offseason, his offseason training? And how's he going to look heading into training camp? That's going to be a big question for me in addition to the two younger goalies that they've got. Well, we had the conversation quite a few times. One, because the Seeloff's thing was sort of hanging in the ether and a few people texted him when we were doing Ask Us Anythings and whatever, like, when's this going to get done? And so the conversations about goaltending were pretty fluid over the last couple weeks. And one of them, the thing that I kept coming back to,
Starting point is 00:09:46 was not even necessarily training camp, but one of the big stories for the Canucks this year is going to be Demko's workload. And I think that's probably the bigger jumping off point. Obviously what he looks like coming back from injury is going to be big, but right now I think it's hard to argue that there's got to be some level of concern within the organization about keeping them healthy and upright for an entire season did it not feel to
Starting point is 00:10:09 you that the entire season either fans media and that probably extended to the organization they just didn't want the good times to stop or even risk having a collapse yeah and they're like man we got to keep this going dumko you're going And they're like, man, we got to keep this going. Demko, you're going to start a bunch of games because we got to keep this going. You know, they went into that swoon after the all-star game and everyone was like, oh, is this it?
Starting point is 00:10:34 Is this it? Is this the collapse? Is this where they fall apart? And you get it, right? When the team had missed the playoffs for as long as they had and the way they'd missed the playoffs and everyone was just'd missed the playoffs and everyone was just waiting for the bottom to fall out on the season and i think that tempted them
Starting point is 00:10:51 to play demko a little bit more than they probably should have they were in prove it mode i felt almost right up until the end of the regular season until they clinched and i think and there was and there was a bunch of valid reasons why one of them was it was I mean essentially a new head coach in Rick Talkett needing proof of concept that all of his ideas and thoughts and structures and uh they would work and he's probably saying well they're going to work a lot better if we have Thatcher Demko and then the Oilers started putting it together and gunning for the division title as well right and i did think that at a certain point they could have eased off a little bit um they they had such a good cushion through the first
Starting point is 00:11:32 two and a half months of the season that it would have taken an epic collapse to fall out at the same time i think everyone understood the importance of finishing first i think you know all that it represented even more than playoff position what it meant is that you go from being out of the playoffs to winning the Pacific Division. So it was important. I get it. Moving forward, I don't think that they should be walking around and we need to prove to the rest of the league that we're good anymore.
Starting point is 00:11:55 I think some of that should be established. I think what they should be doing is having an eye on the postseason from the beginning of the year. Now, that's a dangerous game to play because because as we saw in Edmonton last year, when you start looking- The Canucks are going to go cup or bust. Right? Could you imagine if the Canucks-
Starting point is 00:12:09 Talk, it'll be gone by December. They lose to the Sharks and he's like, I'm done. That was it. It was a good run that I had. I do wonder if that dynamic of- I thought a lot of the free agent signings played into that dynamic as well. I felt like DeBrusque, one of the big calling cards for him,
Starting point is 00:12:26 and he talked about it on the Cam and Strick podcast, was how many playoff games he's played. For a relatively young guy at 27 years old, having played close to 100 playoff games, that's a lot of experience. I felt like that was a nod. Also, adding additional guys and a guy like Sherwood who's going to give you maybe more of a playoff-style game. So if you're talking in that context... they saw that up close right you saw in the
Starting point is 00:12:48 first round so if you're talking in that context you're saying well what's the next piece of the puzzle and it's probably to make sure that your third string net minder isn't playing the lion's share of your playoff games and you're keeping Demko healthy and upright uh did you watch the all-star game last night it was pretty actually pretty good. Bits and pieces, bits and pieces. There's no question the actual All-Star game, baseball has the best one, right? There's no question. And it makes sense because, well,
Starting point is 00:13:13 the Pro Bowl doesn't really exist anymore. Hockey, you're not going to have full big hits and everything. It's not going to get physical in an All-Star game. Basketball is at its best as a physical game as well. And baseball, although, you know, there's physics involved. Yep. It's more of a cerebral game.
Starting point is 00:13:30 And I think the, the guys want these, they, they want the pitching matchups, right? Like they want, I want to face Skeens and I want to see how he does. And Skeens is probably like, well, I want to face, you know, whoever Soto, Judge, or I mean, Vladdy, I'll, I'll get him to probably ground out. see how he does and skeens is probably like well i want to face you know whoever soto judge or i mean vladdy i'll get him to probably ground out but you know what this you know like it is bigger and then when otani goes up there um and hits a three one run bomb it's like wow that's that's a pretty good moment that exploded off his bat i don't think we have the audio of that one but i listened to it on a few occasions and it was awesome this the crack that it makes when it leaves Otani's bat is wild.
Starting point is 00:14:07 The other big home run last night was the one by Jaron Durant, a guy I was not all that familiar with. I kind of remember that he was like in his second year or something like that as a full-time player. And he's 27. He was like a hot shot prospect, and then it took a really long time to get going, and now he's having this real tremendous season. He's always been good defensively, and now the bat's coming around.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Right, and he hit the this real tremendous season. He's always been good defensively and the bats coming around. Right. And he hit the, he hit the decisive home run yesterday. You know, we had an interesting conversation go completely off script here yesterday with Jamie. It was pertain. So someone sent in a sort of hybrid, ask us anything, or just like a question about sports.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And he says, what's better, any all-star game or no all-star game. So all the all-star games games you can pit them up or is it just better to not do them because it was a jumping off point for what the nhl is going to try and do this year yeah no all-star game this year they're going to try the much anticipated four nations face off we went down the road of are the rest of the leagues going to look at what the nhl is doing not necessarily copy the format but hey, might we want to punt on the All-Star game?
Starting point is 00:15:06 Because one thing you've always brought up about the All-Star games of years past, back in the 40s when you were a kid, is that the All-Star game... I listened to them on the radio. It was in black and white on the radio. And then they had them in talking pictures. Do you like old-time radio?
Starting point is 00:15:22 The All-Star game in an earlier era used to be about, you get to see everybody from every team, where it was hard to do that back in the day, because you didn't have satellite TV and the internet and the ability to... You could follow any team that you wanted now as closely as you wanted. You can be a fan of the Jacksonville Jaguars in Vancouver and follow them as closely as
Starting point is 00:15:45 someone that's living in Jacksonville. You can watch every single moment of their existence. You couldn't do it back in the day. So these games mattered. And the players used to take them way more seriously. So those two dynamics are gone. And we were sort of kicking around the idea of like, how antiquated are all-star games in terms of the modern sports viewing?
Starting point is 00:16:02 So as it pertains to what the NHL is doing, and actually I kind of got more intrigued because I do wonder if the players make this work, the four nations face off, if they go in and they're like, we're going balls to the wall. This is going to be as close to his Olympic competitions. I don't think you can do it every year though. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:22 You know what baseball might do though? Let's go to the Olympics. Yeah, I know. Because it's in LA in 2028. I wondered about that. That was it every year, though. Right. You know what baseball might do, though, is go to the Olympics. Yeah, I know. Because it's in LA in 2028. I wondered about that. That was the one thing I was wondering about. It's like, well, because MLB is not going to put on their own international competition, right?
Starting point is 00:16:33 Like the NHL is doing. Well, they've got the- They do it in the preseason. Not mid-season, I mean. Not mid-season. Yeah. And then with the Olympics is an interesting one. They could do a mid-season.
Starting point is 00:16:44 With the injuries and the arm injuries, I don't know if they would want to do a big tournament. They could do a mid-season one. With the injuries and the arm injuries, I don't know if they would want to do a big tournament. It would be tough getting across on the PA. But I also think that Olympics thing might be a one-off just because it's in LA. I mean, they might as well try it at this point. But it's funny because... But the Major League Baseball All-Star game,
Starting point is 00:16:58 there's nothing wrong with it. It's fine. There's nothing... The uniforms are bad. Wow, they were... Uniforms are awful. Uniforms are awful. I was like, is this game in Miami?
Starting point is 00:17:06 Or I thought it was in Texas. It looked like Miami uniforms. The AL jerseys had a real cream overtone to them, which I was like, that's a lot of cream. It wasn't even Sunday. It was too hot for me. No Sunday cream. No Sunday creams, no. Can I bring up a random conversation that I had multiple times over the pond, as they say?
Starting point is 00:17:22 Sure. So first of all, I went to Denmark and then I went to Italy. I know it's a bit of a weird combination. There was a big family reunion in Denmark, lots of Danes, they love to drink and they're very tall and good looking and I felt out of place. And then I went to Italy.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Yep. The Danes that I talked to were shocked that some of the Canadians that were on the trip followed soccer or football so closely. And I said, and this was something that related to what you recently said about, you know, being able to see all the players. I said, it wasn't like this when I was growing up. It was not. Because you couldn't follow the teams. And now when you see what kids are wearing, there are more soccer jerseys.
Starting point is 00:18:08 There's more Man City jerseys, PSG jerseys, really than I would say any sport right now. There's more soccer-related gear being worn in Vancouver elementary schools than I think any sports. So the European. Yeah, there's a lot. There's Canucks stuff during the playoffs. But like, I mean, something has to do with, some of it has to do with like, you know, you can wear a soccer jersey.
Starting point is 00:18:33 You don't want to wear a hockey jersey every day or whatever. And kids aren't going to go like sons out, guns out with their NBA jerseys in the middle of November. But like the amount of knowledge too that kids have about soccer is through the roof compared to when we were kids. And it took the Europeans by surprise
Starting point is 00:18:54 that we talked to that we could kind of hold our own in a conversation about soccer. They were like, I thought you guys played that ice hockey. Yeah. Yeah, we do. We do. I mean, we're, you know, I don't know how much longer the Americans are going to get. conversation about soccer they were like i thought you guys played that ice hockey yeah like yeah we do we do i mean we're you know i don't know how much longer the americans are going to get it you
Starting point is 00:19:09 know yeah yeah no but but it was i think i think it was noteworthy that they were surprised and you compare that to when the world cup went to the united states in 1994 and when the world cup's going to come to the united states as well as Canada and Mexico in 2026, I think the overall knowledge of the North American fan base is going to be a million times higher than it was in 94. So I kept, when you were gone, I kept coining this as like hot footy summer for Canada, what we just went through, because it was a month of wall-to-wall,
Starting point is 00:19:44 all day, all night coverage on like one of our major networks and people not complaining about it no and people here's the thing and especially with copa america um on at times that were more digestible for a north american audience like games not on at nine o'clock in the morning or noon like prime time i'm home from work i turn on the tv and there's canada and venezuela on a friday night where i can sit down and it's on and it's canada so i'm gonna watch we had countless anecdotes coming in about that and that's a big part of it um the next iteration of that will be doing this more full time as opposed to just for major tournaments and i don't know if the major broadcast networks are ever going to get there, but that's fine. It's one step at a time.
Starting point is 00:20:25 It sounded like Copa America was really well organized. Yeah, that was, we had a lot of conversation about that as it pertains to hosting. Now there's a lot of wrinkles to it, right? One of them is that the general consensus is that come to ball, drop the ball big time. Is that with all due respect to the u.s being the host it's the federation that's in charge and overseeing most of it and they did a lousy job at the same time it was very apparent that a lot of the u.s based stadiums and locations weren't ready to deal with the passion well that but also the quality that the managers and the
Starting point is 00:21:04 players expected there was an oh in terms of the setup for the the quality that the managers and the players expected there was an oh in terms of the setup for the training grounds and the turf and everything like the turf was a disaster yeah yeah um that and that started on the opening match between canada and argentina did it get better as no no it didn't uh well they eventually they eventually managed to get away from some of the venues that had to have the artificial turf laid down. The final was played at Hard Rock in Miami. Yeah, yeah. And then I did notice they were going exclusively between places
Starting point is 00:21:33 where the turf would be less of an issue because in Atlanta, it was really bad. But they had just laid that. That was the problem. They laid it three days before the tournament started. What do you think is going to be like a BC place for the Wrexham game? I know you had Axel on the show. Was it three days before the tournament. What do you think it's going to be like at BC Place for the Wrexham game? I know you had Axel on the show. Was it yesterday?
Starting point is 00:21:47 Did you ask him if that was a bit of a warm-up for the World Cup to test anything? Yes, and he was very cagey about his answer. So he made it clear that... It's not like FIFA's going to come in and run the Wrexham game. But it's also like the Whitecaps. I wonder if they're going to show up, though. The Whitecaps aren't running the Wrexham game.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Oh, who's running it? It's a third-party promoter. The Comma Ball? Yeah, Comma Ball's taking it over. Very good. I see. Okay. Wrexham's got a third-party promoter that is kind of doing the Wrexham tour. So Axel came on our show and specifically stated,
Starting point is 00:22:18 we are essentially guests in our own stadium for the night. So he says, I cannot confirm anything. And then he dropped it. But my sources tell me, I'm like, oh, Axel's got sources. That's good. That they have requested Graspi laid down for the game and that it's probably going to go through. And that's on July 27th.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Rob and Suri texting into the Dunbar Lumber text line. Rob, good to hear from you again. Hashtag sports in school. I'm a grade six, seven teacher, and I cannot talk sports with the kids anymore. All they talk about is major European club football and NBA when all I know about is
Starting point is 00:22:52 Major League Baseball, the NFL and NHL. It changed a little bit this spring with the Canucks making the playoffs, but Jason is bang on about soccer jerseys being the most prevalent in elementary and middle schools around the lower mainland. There is a reason that the Vancouver white caps are worth many, many millions into the hundreds of millions probably.
Starting point is 00:23:12 And the BC lions are not worth that, even though their attendance numbers are similar. And you might even say that the BC lions still have more interest in this province than the Vancouver white cap. Yeah. There is a, the people can see where this is going people can see where mls is going um in large part because of what happened over the last year with a lot of i'm not even saying like aging superstars anymore but pretty significant european players uh departing europe because those clubs don't have the money and it's like well you can go to saudi arabia and play there or you can try this north american thing the other really
Starting point is 00:23:47 interesting thing with mls right now is that they've also made massive inroads into south america so if you look atop some of the best players in mls right now for teams that you wouldn't pay attention to in vancouver um there are some really good young like i'm talking like early 20s south american players that are realizing they can make a lot more money at the early stages of their career go to mls get profile and then go and sign for a big club in europe and maybe in better facilities too there's a lot of new stadiums in mls better stadiums uh just honestly more exposure because of the apple TV thing. Messi's given the global reach of MLS a massive shot in the arm.
Starting point is 00:24:28 There's a lot to it. And MLS acknowledges itself as a sell-on league. They're more than happy to move these guys along if they star for a year. It looks good on the league. Do South American clubs want to keep them? Well, some of them do. Or it's just a different type of business.
Starting point is 00:24:42 It's a lot glitzier and glamorous for MLS to be like, hey, look at all the guys that we've sent. They send out press releases all the time of like former MLS players that are doing the business in Europe. Yeah. That's where Alphonso Davies gets a lot of mention. It's like, look at our former player. He's a star at Bayern Munich now. So there's all that to consider.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Okay. We got to go to break. When we come back, we're going to talk a little NFL with Mike tenure, our NFL insider from the two deep zone sub stack. Zach Worden is going to join us at seven to talk a little Jays. When do you want to have our conversation about Garris Southgate and Rick talk it because I've found a way to marry that subject. Would you like to do it after Mike tenure or after Zach Worden? We have so many guests today on the Halford and Brough show.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Let's chat for 10 minutes with Tanier and then have that conversation. Okay. Jason's got a very good and God bless the Halford and Brough Show. I was working on vacation. I was thinking. I was thinking.
Starting point is 00:25:35 The world's only, and I can guarantee you this, world's only comparison between Rick Tockett and Gareth Southgate. That's coming up next on the Halford and Brough Show. It's their teeth.
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Starting point is 00:26:54 Yeah. This is a walking down the road in a busy foreign city kind of song. So damn hot. Trying to find his wallet. Oh, I found my wallet. Yeah, I know. We heard it. It was a big deal.
Starting point is 00:27:05 Gave us an hour of content. Someone asked where it was. It was in my toiletries bag. And I put it there so I wouldn't lose it. For safekeeping. Big mistake. You're listening to the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. The band is back together.
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Starting point is 00:27:40 Pays the highest prices on scrap metal. North Star Metal Recycling. They recycle recycle you get paid visit them at 1170 powell street in vancouver to the phone lines we go mike tannier joins us now on the halford and brough show on sportsnet 650 morning michael how are you i'm doing great you know putting your wallet in your toiletry bag so you won't lose it on the road sounds like a six beer kind of a decision to me. Yeah, it was absolutely. I mean, or wine or everything that I was drinking over there. Yeah. I, I'm basically have to dry out now that I'm back in North America.
Starting point is 00:28:17 But it was, it was very stressful. It was so stressful that, um, my shirt was completely soaked through, like just completely soaked through in like terror sweat. And I couldn't figure out what I was going to be the most annoyed about if I had indeed lost it. Was it that someone in Europe had my wallet and I was going to have to like deal with the potential like, oh, my idea is now stolen and being passed around Europe? Or was it the fact that I would just have to go and I just got a new driver's license. Was I going to have to go get another driver's license? You got to cancel all the credit cards. And there was a little bit of cash in there.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I didn't even care about the cash. That wasn't even a factor at any rate. I'm glad I found it. It was a long trip. It sounds like you had the European vacation I had back in 2022 where it was 98 degrees every single day everywhere you went, and you just lost your mind. Yeah, and then, yeah, it was stay out of my way.
Starting point is 00:29:18 I lost my wallet. Don't ask me about anything else. What's going on in San Francisco, Mike? Are the 49ers going to be able to bring back all 11 members of that offense that looked so good last season? Jed York lost his wallet and can't figure out a way to pay Brandon.
Starting point is 00:29:37 To pay Brandon Ayuk, and one of the reasons why he didn't lose his wallet, he lost his, you know, he lost his mind. He didn't lose his mind either. He spent a lot of money on Christian McCaffrey and Debo Samuel and George Kittle and other guys that, you know, we would want to pay. And there's not much left for that extension to Brandon Iyuk. So what we're hearing right now, Iyuk, of course, he requests a trade.
Starting point is 00:29:57 This is part of the negotiation process. He's signaling that he's going to hold out at least for the start of camp. He's going to hold out as long as he can. And he really wants that new deal. He wants that extension. I don't think the 49ers can figure out a way to work him under the cap in 2025, 2026. What they could probably do is find a little money this year as a sort of token to give him. And by a little money, I mean like $1 million, $2 million.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Not a little money to you and me, but to the NFL. As a peace offering to say, come back this year, play this year. Maybe we win the Super Bowl, and then you test free agency. But right now we're in that negotiation, everyone staring at each other before the start of camp period of time. Is requesting a trade just part of the playbook? Yes, that's it. That's signaling to the rest of the NFL you know to the nfl to agents to fans
Starting point is 00:30:46 to everyone this is where i stand letting the 49ers know a little shot across the bat i probably won't be there for the start of camp this is why here's something that you can do i you know to or at least this is something we can say that you're trying to do when what they're really trying to do is is probably just kind of play chicken with each other because I don't think the 49ers have any interest you know as a Super Bowl contender in like going and getting some draft picks for Brandon Iyuk. Taking quarterbacks out of the equation where does the power ranking sit in terms of where money is being spent positionally in the NFL? That is an excellent question and I can possibly pull it up right now and get you a really good, excellent answer. Uh, let me say,
Starting point is 00:31:29 I know this is because this stuff, this stuff, this stuff, you know, there's, there's trends to this and, you know, last off season, we talked a lot about running backs and, you know, they were complaining that we're not getting paid. And most of us were like, we understand, but we also understand that you get hurt a lot and we probably wouldn't pay you as well um i'm just wondering like where where's the next uh where's where's the next battle going to be fought what position i think we're in the process of it
Starting point is 00:31:57 at wide receiver because not only do you have iok you've got uh t higgins uh who is going to report to camp probably you have cd lamb of the cowboys who going to report to camp probably. You have CeeDee Lamb of the Cowboys, who might not report to camp. You have Justin Jefferson, who just signed the next level contract for these wide receivers. They're all going to want that contract, but Jefferson is better than them all. So that's going to be a battlefield. I'll tell you right now, positional spending, 49ers are number one in spending on wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Seahawks are number two. Seahawks are number two, but of course you've got two solid veterans at the top of that list. They're making a lot of that money. Yeah. else to try and surround your Brock Purdy or your CJ Stroud or whoever it's going to be with as much talent as possible and that's that's kind of the variable in the right now not so much position by position but who can afford to pay because they're not paying the quarterback for this year what would the argument against paying wide receivers be could you say in some cases that quarterbacks make wide receivers you can but you can say it the other way around and a good example a lot of times is you know you'll see what happens when a rookie quarterback doesn't have the receivers you know brace young last year did not have the receivers in carolina he had adam thielen and nothing else and he was
Starting point is 00:33:15 running for dear life uh so you want to make sure that you you take care of that i think the biggest argument is you want three good wide receivers. And can you really pay three good wide receivers? And do you want to pay the one guy the huge money and then turn around and look at the other guys and say they're discovering they're not happy with that? The Eagles had to, like, settle with Devontae Smith and with A.J. Brown this offseason to pay them both. Tyree Kill's looking for money right now. And the 49ers are facing it a little bit with Debo and I. I will say, you know, it's better to have this 1-2 or 1-2-3 punch around for a year or two
Starting point is 00:33:50 than to, like, constantly try to play, like, salary cap roulette and try to really, you know, be a resource manager. Because if you get that magical year, like the 49ers have had a couple years of, the Eagles two years ago, you get to the Super Bowl, as opposed to saying, hey, we're always in good cap shape, but, you know, we're always, like, 49ers have had a couple years of, Eagles two years ago, you get to the Super Bowl, as opposed to saying, hey, we're always in good cap shape, but you know, we're always like 9-8. We got a question here for you,
Starting point is 00:34:12 Mike, from Adam, the former Bath guy. Wants to know about the situation contractually between Tua Tungavailoa and the Miami Dolphins. So, the obvious part is that he doesn't need anything imminently because he's under contract through 2024. They can always slap a franchise tag on him moving forward. But quarterback contracts are always interesting because it seems like the most recent one always tries to outdo the last one.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Or the bar has been set from the previous one. And a lot of people have pointed to the egregious sums of money. Maybe egregious is the wrong word. But it's a lot of money for what Jared Goff got paid in Detroit. So the new Tua contract in Miami, what do you think that'll end up looking like? When do you think it'll get done? Any updates for Adam, the former Bath guy?
Starting point is 00:34:52 You nailed it. You nailed all the major talking points here. He's under contract this year for $23 million. If they were to decide to franchise him next year, it would be the average of the top five salaries. And you're exactly right. Not just Goff, but Trevor Lawrence signed one of these giant contracts. And you look at Tua and say, okay, he's going to want more than Joe Barrow
Starting point is 00:35:13 and Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert. And you look at Tua and you're like, are we sure? Are we sure? I think he's closer to a guy like Goff was a couple years ago, but Goff has kind of taken another step in his career, you know, later in his career. So I see the Dolphins, the fact that the Dolphins got to his fifth year indicates that they're not
Starting point is 00:35:31 fully satisfied with who he is. They know his supporting cast is a large amount of his success. They know he had injuries in the past and they're playing wait and see. I wouldn't be surprised if they paid wait and see another year with him. Branch ties tied to him and see another year with him, franchise tagged him, and seeing if he gets them on a deep playoff run. Or, conversely, they fall apart because Tyreek Hill gets hurt for a couple weeks or whatever. They're doing that.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Remember, a couple years ago, Cowboys did it with Dak Prescott. Years back, Washington did it with Kirk Cousins. Teams will do that if they're not sure he's the franchise guy. Might not be the worst move for the Miami Cousins. Teams will do that if they're not sure he's the franchise guy. Might not be the worst move for the Miami Dolphins. Before we let you go, the Chicago Bears took care of some major business yesterday, so they signed Caleb Williams and Roma Dunze, the
Starting point is 00:36:13 two first-round picks that are going to sort of revitalize this offense, along with some other guys as well in Chicago. What are realistic expectations for this offensive group, not just Williams and Dunze maybe, but the entire thing because the amount of additions that they made in free agency is big. Obviously getting the franchise quarterback and maybe a franchise receiver in
Starting point is 00:36:32 the same draft is a huge thing. I think the expectations are really high, but what's a realistic expectation for what this group can do? The expectations are high. The projections are low. The FTN Almanac is out the former football outsiders almanac you guys can find that at ftn fantasy and the projection for the bears is at 6.5 wins it is way down there it's a last place projection as a team that's going to have a very
Starting point is 00:36:57 below average offense because the young players very below average defense because we know they've got a couple of big names but they have a lot of rebuilding blocks that they're doing around there. You know, I love what they did. I like the idea of having Caleb Williams with Rome at Dunzay and with Keenan Allen and with DJ Moore out there. I think it's a good development plan for the quarterback, but if you look at his inexperience, you look at where their offensive line is, you look at where their defense overall is,
Starting point is 00:37:22 it's probably very much a rebuilding year for the Chicago Bears. They might take 6-11 or 7-10 or something like that if they come out of this and say, oh, yeah, Williams, he threw for 3,500 yards and 25 touchdowns. He'll take the next step this year. But that's the kind of year it'll probably be. Mike, this was great, man. Thanks for taking the time
Starting point is 00:37:39 to do it. We really appreciate it. You got it. Take care and enjoy the start of the NFL season. Yep, you too. Thanks, Mike. We appreciate it. That it take care and enjoy the start of the nfl season yep you too thanks we appreciate that's mike tannier our nfl insider from the two deep zones substack be sure to check him out mike tannier uh on twitter and check out his substack okay so yesterday uh dot and i were hosting and we came in in the morning to some breaking news that shortly after losing in the 2024 european final uh england manager gareth southgate as many expected announced that he was resigning from his post as england manager it was a very heartwarming farewell that he sent we actually played the audio of his speech
Starting point is 00:38:19 following the win over the netherlands in the semi-final in which he the sort of in now infamous line is, everyone just wants to be loved. And it kind of felt like a concession speech before the final, that, you know, the wear and tear and all the criticisms and the amount of, you know, stress and pressure that he had been under. He'd finally delivered another finals appearance for the English fans, and that was sort of his parting gift, and he was going to go.
Starting point is 00:38:43 So you had an interesting jumping off point in the wake of Southgate's resignation. for the English fans and that was sort of his parting gift and he was going to go. So you had an interesting jumping off point in the wake of Southgate's resignation. I was just thinking a lot about the way Southgate has been perceived or was perceived, past tense now, throughout his stint as manager. And I think it's worthwhile going back to where England was right before he took over.
Starting point is 00:39:02 They were in a bad spot. They had been eliminated by Iceland in the 2016 Euros. I flew through Iceland on the way to Denmark and I'm looking out on this rock of volcano and I'm like, volcanic rock or whatever it is. I'm like, this country beat England? This volcano?
Starting point is 00:39:23 This volcano? Well, I mean, if they had the volcano, then you'd understand. This rock? Like, seriously? Hard to beat a volcano. So he started at the 2018 World Cup as manager of the senior team.
Starting point is 00:39:36 And expectations were not particularly high. And then they went all the way to the semifinals. They over-deliver over delivered and they lost to croatia and they the country fell back in love with the england national team but as england failed to continue to progress or sorry that they failed to get over the hump. They continued to progress in these major tournaments, but they failed to win. And the criticism grew to the point where most England supporters wanted him gone. Is that fair to say?
Starting point is 00:40:16 That they wanted him gone. They were throwing beer cups at him after the Slovenia match. And there was all sorts of criticism of Southgate for failing to deliver an actual title. Now I am not saying this is going to happen to Rick Tocant. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:33 But if there's one thing Southgate was criticized for, it was his conservative game plan. People saw all the talent that England had and they wanted England to play attacking and creative soccer, like the teams that typically win these tournaments. You look at the way that Spain plays and the way that they played in this tournament, it was creative, it was attacking, it was relentless soccer. And I'll get to that word relentless in a bit. I just think that it's
Starting point is 00:41:03 going to be really interesting to see how Talkett approaches next season. There is no question he had to get the Canucks defensive game sorted out. He had to get their culture sorted out. He had to return pride to the team, the fan base, the organization, the crest on the jersey. They were a mess before he went behind the bench. And the fact that he was able to fix all those things and get them to buy into his system is why he deservedly won coach of the year. It was an incredible coaching performance and it returned like in 2018 for England. It returned pride to the program.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Now expectations have changed. And after the way the playoffs went with the Canucks, I think it's fair to say often struggling to create offense. Forget about goals, shots sometimes, just shots on net. I think it's going to be really interesting to see how he's going to respond. And he had some, I think, revealing remarks at the end of the season after the Canucks had been eliminated by the Edmonton Oilers.
Starting point is 00:42:15 And he said, I'd be crazy not to do a deep dive. There are simple things like hitting the net and working on your shot and changing angles. It's my job to make sure guys keep developing those skills. But I think he wants to go even further than that. And he said, we were heavy on systems last training camp, and the next camp will be more creativity and skill oriented. A lot of that's going to have to do with the power play.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Now, he's still going to maintain his principles, his bedrock non-negotiables, and he said, the good old-fashioned get to the net is something I have to get to. Now, for the record, I think the criticism of Southgate was totally ridiculous at times. England made the semis of the World Cup, the finals at Euro, the quarters of the world cup, and then another Euro final. They got eliminated by Croatia, Italy, France,
Starting point is 00:43:11 and Spain. There is absolutely no shame in that. But I will say that the one thing I noticed in the Spain game was how Spain kept pressing after they went up one, nothing. Would England have done that? Spain were relentless. And again, that word relentless,
Starting point is 00:43:30 how many times do we use that to describe championship teams? Relentless. Scored one, let's go score another. Let's bury these guys now. And they just never, ever stop. And something that Tuckett has said, we have to be better off the rush. And it's another thing we got to look at they have to be able to transport the puck up and down the ice counter
Starting point is 00:43:51 attack more efficiently and just be able to come in waves at teams more than they did you obviously need talent to play that way but i think you also need the mindset and England never seemed to have that mindset when they had the lead and they had the lead in very important games. They had the lead over Croatia. They had the lead over Italy in the Euro final and ended up losing both of those games and probably deservedly so. And I'm just wondering how the talk narrative is going to evolve and potentially change as expectations rise in Vancouver. So there's funny, there was a line in a BBC, very lengthy BBC article about Southgate. And it said, they described his approach as
Starting point is 00:44:41 occasional tactical inertia and conservatism. I'm going to use that all next season if the Canucks ever get into a defensive shell. Occasional tactical inertia. I really like that because England would have like 15 minutes where they played really well. I'm going to be like, you know, the Canucks had too much tactical inertia last night.
Starting point is 00:44:58 No, the key word there is occasional. Yeah, but it was more prevalent than occasional, I think. Like, that's... It was... Okay, let's just make this really... Explain what tactical inertia means, then. It's inertia that's tactical. Duh.
Starting point is 00:45:21 It's the... Okay, I think the Italy game probably describes it best. The Italy match in the Euro 2021 final was the one that everyone points to as the biggest disappointment. And also the biggest critique of maybe not doing anything and sitting on your hands when, um, being aggressive would have been the play.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Luke Shaw scores for England in what the second minute or something like that. They're up one nil. And then there was this sort of traditional Southgate reliance on, let's just keep everything the same. Let's not change anything. We were almost gifted this brief moment
Starting point is 00:45:57 of offensive opportunity, and we took it. And now it's time to sort of keep things neutral at best and try and play for this 1-0 victory. Which, to be fair, might have allowed them to progress in a lot of tournaments. Yeah. By keeping games close, not taking too many risks, occasionally having to get to penalties against England tradition, actually winning on some of those penalties. So it gets them far, but maybe that approach isn't going to win at all so the dictionary definition of inertia is to do nothing or remain unchanged
Starting point is 00:46:32 right that's inertia okay so when you talk about tactical inertia it means okay i'm not going to the the strategy is to do nothing like not alter anything and that was always Southgate's undoing both in terms of the players that he would bring in right? I mean Harry Kane's
Starting point is 00:46:53 a perfect example we're going to remain unchanged Harry Kane inertia if you will even though he was not playing well for the duration of this tournament
Starting point is 00:47:00 and some will argue well he got man of the match against the Netherlands or whatever he was not good this tournament no he wasn was there was a lot of people that were saying stop sticking with what you know stop starting stop starting him try something new in the final why not bring on ollie watkins who scored a huge goal for you against the netherlands why not start him i mean they eventually did right yeah but start him not start him not spend 45
Starting point is 00:47:21 minutes of a final against Spain not really doing anything. Right? That's inertia. The tendency to do nothing. Now, as it pertains to Tuckett, I think you kind of stretch the limits of the comparison. Because I think what's going to happen now is Tuckett has an opportunity to maybe do what Southgate did. And that was evolve and be creative and be unique i think in a small way a nod to that was what they did with yogi shvakovsky
Starting point is 00:47:54 and like promoting him yeah to assist the coach because his whole thing if you go back and read some of the articles that were written on him as primarily a skills coach was working with guys one-on-one to unlock certain things yeah in attack offensively find new ways to generate offense generate chances either individually or within the confines of the system it's a fine line when you're a coach because you have to um come in with principles and remember talk it said like you got to bring in three or four ideas and you got to hammer them home and you got to take a swing. And I think that was what he said. Like, I'm going to take a swing and I'm going to bring in my ideas.
Starting point is 00:48:33 And if they work, great. If they don't, I'll be out of a job. Right. Now, the fine line comes where how far can you stray from those ideas if you have to right because the whole conversation next season is going to be about well you don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water if you're trying to create more offense you know one of the reasons that the canucks were so good defensively might have been at the expense of offense. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:06 You don't have guys blowing the zone early. And now they tried to add some speed with some of their changes. And we'll see if they're a faster team next season. But I just thought it was interesting because, you know, Gareth Southgate was a god in England for a couple of years. And then it just went away, right? Because people were like, those ideas that we originally liked, we still like them, but we think you're being too stubborn with them and i could easily see the amount the amount of text messages that i've seen in my years of doing sports radio that have all been um critical of a coach's
Starting point is 00:49:52 stubbornness yeah whether it was av whether it was torts whether it was willie de jardin you know and i could see it happening to talk it. It often happens. In fact, with the more defensive coaches that are like, no, this is the way we play. You know, a guy like Daryl Sutter, despite the fact that he won two Stanley cups,
Starting point is 00:50:12 it was always described as like, this guy's too stubborn and he won't change his ways. He won't evolve. I think talk. It is the type of guy that absolutely recognizes this. Like I, yeah, I don't think he's one of those guys that wants to be stubborn,
Starting point is 00:50:27 but it's always that dance that you have between sticking to your principles but also being willing to adapt. I have a few more things I'd like to say about this. I'm sure you do as well. We can continue the conversation on the other side. We are going to dive into the world of Major League Baseball, the all-star game last night. Lots of Blue Jays stories, particularly those pertaining
Starting point is 00:50:47 to Vladdy Guerrero Jr. Zach Worden, MLB writer and Blue Jays writer for Sportsnet.ca is going to join us on the other side. You're listening to the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650.

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