Halford & Brough in the Morning - The Best of Halford and Brough 10/31/25

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

Mike & Jason looks back at the previous day in sports including an impressive Canucks OT win over the Blues, plus they get a 'Nucks update from Donnie & Dhali's Rick Dhaliwal. This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. Whoa, wait a minute. Huh? Hold up. What? Oh, okay. Did we just lose a fucking Canucks? Welcome to the Halford and Brough studio of fries.

Happy Halloween. Mm-hmm. To the St. Louis zone with speed shoots. He scores. Jake DeBrusk wins it for Vancouver. It's the best team game. I'm a team when I've seen since I've been here as far as being resilient. That's good.

Blake Snell said that your lineup didn't really get to him and that he kind of got unlucky. Do you have any reaction to that? No. This year I invested in pumpkins. They've been going up the whole month of October. And I got a feeling they're going to peak right around January. And bang!

That's what I'll catch in. Good morning, Vancouver. Sixth a lot on a Friday. Happy Friday, everybody. Sweet, sweet Friday, and happy Halloween. Everybody is Halford and is brought to the Sportsnet 650. We are coming to live from the Kintech Studios in beautiful Fairview Slopes in Vancouver. Jason, good morning.

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I ordered a special hat. I thought it was going to arrive in time for Friday's show. Alas, it did not. So I were like, I'll go with the white socks. It's a baseball guy. Close enough. Look, it's a guy playing baseball. They're playing baseball tonight at the Skydome.

That's what they used to call it. We got a lot to get into on the program today. Guestless today, it's a big one. It begins at 6.30. Nick Shook from NFL.com is going to join the program. Talk a little NFL with Nick looking into the weekend. We can also welcome back Lamar Jackson and maybe the Ravens playoff chances. We can also look ahead to a good NFL Sunday. We get the latest iteration

of Bill's Chiefs and the Seahawks in primetime. Why don't they just fire Mike McDaniel? Why don't they just, why don't they? He wants to be fired, doesn't he? He clearly, like he deserves to be fired. He needs to get fired. I asked the question on social media last night. And many of our listeners, our savvy listeners said that one, Stephen Ross, the owner is too cheap to pay him to not coach and two maybe if they leave him in they'll have an even worse record than if they replace them with a coach and they'll have a higher pick it just that's from the people the people have spoken jason okay but i agree with you they should get rid of them but maybe they won't we don't know we'll talk to nick shook about it at 630 7 o'clock a jay from a j's pizza is going to join the

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They play Saturday, 630 in Dallas, win, and the white caps are through to the Western Conference semifinals. We'll talk to Kalin about that at 7. 7.30, speaking of the playoffs. Bob the Moge Marjanovic is going to join the program. Play-by-play voice of the BC Lions joins us ahead of tomorrow's Western semifinal in the CFL playoffs. Lions stamps, 230 kickoff from BC Place. We will preview it all with the Moge at 7.30.

8 o'clock, Rick Dollywall is going to join the program. For today's talking points, we turn things over to our in-house dolly sitter, Jason Brough. There's a few topics, but I think we're going to start with Kiefer Sherwood's contract. You want to say it? Do you want to do the thing? The bit, the impression. Do you want to do your Dolly? Do you want to do it?

You do not think that his agent is doing cartwheels? I want to know if Team USA is going for sure. You don't think Team USA is looking at him? He's a leading goal score in the NHL for crying out loud. Dolly's going to join us at 8 a.m. to talk all things, Canucks. We are having another giveaway. Now, remember, AJ's Ask us anything.

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begins tomorrow and it goes through Sunday at all 48 Golf Town locations. I will set this up throughout the show and let you know when to call. The number here, though, is 604-280-0-650. It's a big show. We got a lot to get. into. So without further ado, Lattie, let's tell everybody what happened. Hey, did you guys see the game last night? No. No. What happened? I missed all the action because I was...

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Well, Jason Brough is wearing a Toronto Blue Jays hat. Laddie is wearing everything Toronto Blue Jays. And that is because the Toronto Blue Jays are a win away from winning their first World Series since 1993. The game goes tonight, 5 o'clock. You can hear it right here on Sportsnet 650. Kevin Gossman gets the start as Toronto hosts L.A. in game six. Blue Jays lead the best of seven series three games to two. Yoshinobu Yamamoto will be on the hill for hours.

L.A. after a gem in game two, but the Jays have an opportunity to win it all tonight, and if they don't, they'll be game seven on Saturday. I was looking at the betting lines, and the Dodgers are slight favorites. Just I imagine because of Yamamoto. Yes. And also they're pretty desperate. Desperation plus Yamamoto equals betting favorite on the road, no less. George Springer is going to be back in the last night.

And John Schneider said that he thought he actually would have been okay to go in game five. Yeah, helmet on. He was going to run. Yeah, it was going to run for Bo late in the game. But what a decision by Schneider to hold Springer out, put Davis Schneider in the one spot. And then, of course, Davis Schneider rewards him with a home run on the first pitch of the game. Question about Yamamoto starting game six. Yeah, brother.

They had, what, 11 days to line up the rotation for this series? How is he not available for game seven? Because they didn't think it was going seven. How is Yamamoto not available for game seven? I bet they were like, this thing isn't we going to go six? or they thought Snell was pitching better Yeah they thought Snell was pitching better What I don't know I like oh game six

I only get one game of this series then Come on figure it out how can I pitch again Yeah he's gonna get two games in the series Should have game one no no I was saying like what he was saying When he set it up he was like this thing is going to be over in four or five I'm only gonna get game two Yeah yeah because they're so cocky And he could pitching game seven

Who know I've heard so many things about game seven Almost to the point where I'm like hey as much as I want it to happen, Game 6 still has to be played, and I'm not ruling out anything other than the fact that I expect Yamamoto to be good, but you've sent along something yesterday about the options for Shohei Otani

over the next two games of this series, what they could possibly use them for, including a myriad of roles in Game 7, like everything is on the table right now for both teams. Imagine if he has to play outfield? I could see it. I'm sure he can handle it.

You can do whatever he wants. Yeah. There's one guy. It would be amazing. It would be amazing if it goes to Game 7, And because of just, let's call him, substitution rules and DH and pitching and all that sort of thing, there's a chance that he would have to play in the field. Yes.

It would be awesome if it ended on an error. He's like, I've never done this before. Like, yes, I'm a good athlete, but I did not get a good beat on that ball. He's got the card in his pocket and show you. Like, where do I throw? Where does it go now? I'll be honest with you. I have not paid attention to any of the other stuff except pitching and hitting.

It is a great question. could, like, if he was to come out in the seventh inning wearing catchers gear, I'd be like, I could see it. I bet he could do it. There's one guy that could do it. I bet he'd be really good at it, having never caught a Major League baseball game before. Okay, so before we get to the Canucks, I just want to ask Laddie, how are you feeling? Because in a way, it must have been surreal to wake up this morning

and be like, well, first of all, like, oh, I've got to go do that dumb show again. But second of all, the Blue Jays can win. the World Series tonight. Got to do that dumb show and Bruce is going to ask me about it and I'm already pretty nervous and now I've got to talk about it on the radio. I don't know.

You go through the emotions in your mind. You never think that you're going to be in this scenario. Your team's one way one win away from clinching a championship and you think about how you're going to react right? Like win or lose. How are you going to react when it's all over and it's all going to come to a head

either tonight or tomorrow night. Oh man. I remember when my team had game six and then seven to win. And anyway, I won't bore you with that. My team is historically a little better in game sixes. True. True. True. You know what? You should have a bottle of champagne. Not the good stuff, but have a bottle of champagne at the ready.

It does, makes you feel like you're that much closer to the real thing. When have you ever done that? We did it after we won a soccer provincial. I've never done the film my reaction thing, but I'm very tempted to tonight. And we did it. I'm very tempted to put a camera. Have you ever done it? Well, actually, it's funny when you mentioned the party that we had when the Jay's won in 92.

One of the guys at the party filled up like an empty bottle with water. And then to add to the mess. Because you guys were in grade seven or something? Yeah, they were like, no booze. It's like I just like spraying water everywhere. Water. Yeah, it felt like the same thing. It was good.

All right. Let's get to the Canucks because they had a good result last night. It was a gutsy performance. They win another shootout. their second shootout win of the year beating the St. Louis Blues last night in St. Louis. The Knoxper outshot 39 to 18 and it took 30 seconds for them

to suffer another key injury when Elias Pedersen shot the puck from the point and Brock Bessor's midsection was in the way. Yeah, it was not good. When Besser got hit, you could tell the moment that he tried to get up from the ice that this was not going to be just a oh he's going to shake this off and come back in

he was laborer he was like do not shake me right now please do not don't even touch me just don't and I was like whoof that's not good so here's the thing when you see guys get hurt in hockey there's usual kind of signs on the ice about the severity of the injury and usually a guy I'll try and pick himself up and try and skate off under his own power

just to kind of show like I'm all right Besser couldn't do that and then in the aftermath of the game of which Besser missed the entirety of I'm not even going to bother playing the audio because it's a short clip but Adam Foote was asked for a Brock Besser update in the aftermath

and he slightly chuckled and said I can't even tell you what happened to Brock but I think he'll be back next game do you think that connects medical staff probably is like oh my God here we go again just going on the ice like all right probably I mean that was the ninth injury that the team had suffered up to that point

and even Ataturatu when he exited ever so briefly during the game. I'm like, we're at double digits now with injuries. Thankfully he came back and he was all right, but... At least Kiefer Sherwood isn't hurt yet. One of an incredible story this guy is three goals last night,

the hat trick, and I know this game went to overtime, but it is still remarkable. 2412 of Ice Time for Kiefer Sherwood, who you'll recall was signed in Vancouver as a fourth line player.

fourth line energy guy. Now he is tied for the lead in the NHL in goals scored, is it still? Yep. Nine goals and tied for last in assists. The NHL leaders in goals right now include Nathan McKinnon, Mark Shifley, Jack Hughes, and Kiefer Shirlwood. Just to give you an idea of how unbelievable the season has been to start for Sherwood. And he has been, honestly, I mean, him and Garland, and the fact that Garland is out, you would have said, like, this team is so heavily reliant on these guys that, and Garland has sort of turned himself into a bona fide, legitimate play driver and a very good NHL forward. But still, to think that this entire season is hinged on the offensive exploits of Connor Garland, who's now hurt and now Kiefer Sherwood, they find a way.

And you know what, we play this clip in the intro, and I want to play it in its entirety. This is Adam Foote, the head coach, talking about the guts and the grit and what a team win this was. Because let's be honest, on paper with what the Canucks iced yesterday, they had no business going into anybody's rink and winning an NHL game. They got roundly outshot, to a certain degree they got outplayed, but they fought and they scraped and they clawed and they got two points. And that's very important. And here is Adam Foote expressing admiration for what his team did yesterday in a 4-3 shootout win in St. Louis. He lose best in the first shift, a good player like that. You're like, no, here we go again.

And you just sit at the battle. I just told him, it's pretty incredible for me as a coach and I've been here two and a half years, maybe almost three years. And it's the best team game, team win I've seen since I've been here as far as being resilient. What our leadership group has done to allow the young guys to come in and feel comfortable, play with confidence, not get upset at them when they make those young mistakes.

is impressive because these young guys are giving us good minutes right now and these guys up from the minors and you know even lengths his game tonight um how he played um it was pretty good so the team part of it um yeah there was some mistakes but that's okay they're making mistakes too and that's a good hockey team that's very desperate right now they lost five and um you know they think they've got a couple guys out as well but i mean what's going on with our group to be that resilient is the key to build on. So it was a very good result. And the Canucks have been

resilient this year. It's very tough to judge this group right now in terms of like are they a good team? It's like I don't know like they're resilient. They're resilient but you know like the underlying numbers aren't very good. They've been very reliant on Thatcher Demko

when he's been in there. Kevin Lanken and got the job done yesterday. He's very good in shootouts. Yep. And he did stop a lot of pucks. He did. yesterday. He let in a couple of questionable goals, but he got the job done. So it's hard, you know, the underlying numbers for the Canucks are not promising, but like with the lineup they've got, you're kind of expecting them to go into a lot of

these games and get out shot and hopefully just find a way to get a point or two out of the game. Kiefer Sherwood's shooting percentage is 37 and a half. That's sustainable. That's probably not going to last, but you know regardless of that like even if he didn't have you know even even if he had like four or five goals I think this would be a fascinating contract situation because on the one hand you've got the fact that he is showing up and he is like a heart and soul player he's getting goals like he led the NHL set records last year in hits like he's clearly a guy that the fans like the teammates like

he's an important player for them. Yep. On the other hand, he's the 30-year-old guy who has 52 career NHL goals. And, you know, I've heard people knocking around contracts like, oh, this guy's going to get like a five-year deal, $25 million deal. I know.

For a 30-year-old with 52 career goals who up until, you know, I guess last season was considered a fourth line guy and maybe not even like this is the connects are his fourth NHL team that year that he had with Nashville was sort of like his first real legitimate bonafide full NHL season yeah that wasn't that long ago no it wasn't that and look we have time for late bloomers one of the sure one of the most uh popular conucks of all time was a famous late bloomer in in Alex Burroughs um but it is I just think you know we got someone new to who texted in this morning I don't have it right in front of me, but they were like,

did I hear that the Canucks are like actually hesitant to re-sign Kiefer Sherwood? And this is why this organization is failing. I was like, yeah, well, they've also like kind of like bought high on some guys. And that's another reason why they've had some trouble. Which guys? Louis Erickson was bought high on. Oh, yeah. I'd argue that maybe Drew Connor was bought high on.

Although he's doing his thing. I don't know what it is, but he's doing it on a semi-regul. Well, I mean, there's another guy. They bought quick on him more than high, but it was fast. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a guy with the biggest contract on the team that's had some up and downs. Yep.

But, you know, defensively, he was very good, at Leas Pedersen. He was very good yesterday, but offensively, he didn't provide much. And Jake DeBrusk, until he scored the shootout winner, was an absolute ghost out there. Which, I mean, you just added all up, and it's incredible that the Canucks won last night. How do they win? Well, they got a hat trick from Kiefer-Shirwood. What? Like, how did that happen?

They also got absolutely screwed by the referees last night, if you want to go down out road. What do you talk about? That was goal of interference. That was not goalie interference. What do you talk? It was ruled a good goal on the ice. Yeah, that's why they have review.

They talked about four minutes to look at it. They came up with absolutely nothing conclusive. If it's conclusive, it should be 30 seconds or less that that's interference. The biggest issue that the NFL has with goal of interference rate is that Nobody has any idea what goal of the interference is. So when you go to the review, you're looking for anything. And that's the worst possible thing because then you're going through Zuprooter film style saying like, well, is that it? Is that it? Is that it?

You're challenging the entirety of the play. I didn't see it. You're just mad. You're just mad because you made. It was out of the blue paint. You made Evander Kane the one to watch yesterday. And you were hoping that you were going to have some good audio to play this morning and be like, see, I made him the one. So self-serving.

It's all about you. No, no, no, no. It's all about limitless A.V. Anyway, I'm glad that they were able to overcome. Limitless Avey, like, wow, look at the power of this. This is incredible. It was Trey Savage and Evander Cain. Could you imagine?

Could you imagine the power that this Limitless A.V. company has? Hey, you know what? Evander Cain made a nice play on Kiefer-Shirwood's first goal. I think he's pretty good last night. That was his best game as a conch, actually. Yeah, he got in on the forecheck on the second unit power play, which was way better than the first unit power play, forced to turnover,

and then Kiefer Shirt was just there to bang it in. You know what's going to be interesting is the Canadian Olympic goaltending decision. Because I don't, like, maybe you choose Bennington as one of the goalies just because of what he did at the Four Nations, but he looks awful. He looks awful. That first goal, I know, great work by events. Vander Kaine on the forecheck.

Nice played by Kiefer Sherwood to get to the front of the net and put that in. But, like, Bennington just, like, doesn't know what he's doing right now. The crazy part is that was actually one of the best goaltending performances that the blues have had in the last couple weeks. Because they've been giving up five goals with regularities. So to trim it to three against the powerhouse Canucks offense led by Kiefer Shrewood, that was a good one. And it wasn't that good. I mean, the blues are a mess, by the way. we mentioned it was at foot mention they came into the game losing five street that's six in a row now

for them and neither goalie can stop a puck with regularity so it's uh it's not good times and yeah the canadian goaltending thing is pretty interesting because i don't know what you do i'm assuming that bittington gets the benefit of duster wolf he's done it on that stage before dustin wolf dustin wolf is american oh yeah it's gonna be incredibly hard to get his passport take care of that that's the tough part yeah maybe they could like convince him to like maybe That was hilarious. Adog was so confident. He's like, Dustin and Wolf, baby, lock it in a solution.

I truly, we must have one. The goal saved above expected numbers, and guess who's back up there? Logan Thompson and our good friend, Darcy Kemper. Camps is having a good year for them. Like, they're always in the debate, but they never seem to break through. They had a crazy comeback, by the way, last night. The Kings had a crazy comeback last night, by the way, too. They're comfortable in there, though.

And it's for the gold medal. Logan Thompson leads. So you know it has to be Bennington, like just because of his... It does not have to be Bennington based on the age. Who else would there be? I don't know. Aiden Hill, Sam Montefo. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. Logan Thompson than the way the Bennington looks right now. Their logic behind it will be like, well, he won us the big game, so he's going in. This Team Canada management group has said, and I assume this applies to the goalies too. It matters in form.

Like if you're in form, then you will be in the lineup. And that's why you know, it's so important that Celebrini and Bada are off to good starts because they're going to take the in-form players. There will be some guys.

Like, you know, if Connor McDavid is having a bit of a tough week, I don't think they're going to leave them off the lineup. There is a balance to these things, but it does matter. I mean, goaltending, especially you want to get the informed goalies. You don't want to put in a guy that's like, I'm not feeling good about my game. And now the hopes of the country are on my shoulders.

Doug from Delta texts in to the Dunbar Lumber, message in basket. Guys, did you see Jim Montgomery's reaction when Braden Shinn stick handled the puck into the corner on the shootout? I did. I did. So NHL coaches know that any moment they can be on camera. So usually they try not to react.

And Montgomery's was understated, but he was still like, what the hell was that? What just happened? I kind of felt bad for Shen because it's so embarrassing. And of course, all the jackals on social media picked up on it right away. That one actually came after PD shootout attempt. which wasn't exactly the most on. What the hell is that?

Kind of. Both of them back to back. That was Montgomery. What's one of? Petey shootout attempt was a bit of, I'm at the free throw line and don't want to have an air ball. Just is it hits the rim. It's not an air ball kind of shot.

You know? Like, I don't. I didn't, I was, I'm watching this. I'm like, okay.

And then thankfully Shen went up there and made it 10 times worse. It was like, wow, that's way worse than Pete is. That could be the new Connected slogan. I'm watching it. And then I'm like, okay.

Okay. Well, yeah, you tried, I guess, and then we move on to Shen's attempt. I imagine that it is, like, sigh, okay. Sure, sure. You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. To the phone lines we go. Rick Dollywall joins us now on the Halford and Brough show on Sportsnet.

650. What up, Rick? I got a Besson update for you. Yep. Wellander and Mancini just got cars this week. Nice, good for them. Willander played a lot and played well last night, I thought. 19 minutes, you know, and considering his first game, what was it at 12? And, you know, I'll tell you something about Willander.

He got more iced than DPD and Joseph last night. His skating is going to keep him in the NHL a long time. You can work on his offense because there's not a lot of pop with the offense right now and that the offense may come at some point, but that skating is elite. and last night he went he got seven more minutes of ice but I mean it was overtime he got an overtime shift as well

but that skating is elite and to get up to that many minutes in your second NHL game is a good sign but I think that skating's going to keep him in this league a lot of years okay well let's talk about the game last night because I can only imagine how this Canucks season

would be going if not for Kiefer Sherwood and Sherwood was the hero yesterday, scored three goals, up to nine goals on the season. Everyone's wondering what the Canucks are going to do. Are they going to sign them to a new contract, or is he going to price himself out of Vancouver? What are you hearing? Okay, well, first of all, did you mention he's tied for the NHL leading goals, which is just crazy? He's tied for Lasten assists, which is... Oh, interesting.

great week for Sherwood he actually scored Jason six goals in the last three games but he had the one goal call back right Myers offside when I checked in last night the flurry of goals in the last three games

did not spark contract talks this week so the conducts continue to take a wait and see approach which is understandable because I've been telling you guys for weeks this team is worried about another Dakota Joshua contract that guy pops off, you give him a huge raise,

underachieves the next year, and you end up trading him. Like I've been telling you guys for a while now that that Dakota Joshua contract did not go well. He tripled his salary. The Connox did not want to triple his salary. This guy, okay, is going to get the same deal as Joshua. So in terms of getting a huge raise, if Sherwood continues, and that's capital letters,

continues this toward goal-scoring pace, he's going to out-priced himself in Vancouver. You are correct. Jason, that's the bottom line. Don't you think, I'm just going to cut you off for a sec there, don't you think it's unfair to compare those two players

because, you know, Dakota Joshua, you know, the year he broke out, he didn't show up to training camp in shape, and Taka was all over him. And correct me if I'm wrong here,

but wasn't there, I know he had some very serious health issues, but wasn't there always a bit of a concern that he, like, wasn't 100% committed to fitness? There was, at some points of his tenure in Vancouver, but you've got to go back to his UFA year. He had 18 goals, and he wanted to hit 22, 23 if he didn't break his hand defending guard in Chicago, right?

Yeah. So he missed four or five weeks. So you have to keep that in account. You have to take a guy with great size, nice, soft hands, 18 goals. would have had more, if he didn't break his hand defending Garland. And so you add it all up, and he tripled his salary. The Connox didn't want. The Connox's first offer to Joshua was 2-5.

Yeah. He ended up at 3-2. He was going to get more, closer to 4. The Maple Leafs and the Kings were ready to pounce on him on July 1st with better offers than Vancouver. So there is a reason why he tripled his salary, Jason. You know, he scored some nice goals that year. He was a good belly killer, too.

Yeah, a good PK guy. So let me get back to Sherwood. At the rate he's going, and if he keeps this up, and we don't know if he's going to, he can go have a dry spell for two weeks for all we know. The number's going to start with a five, whether you like it or not. Whether you like it or not, if he keeps going at the rate. If he keeps going, but he's shooting 37.5%. That's going to be tough to keep going.

I understand all that, but the guy's on a heater, right? Sherwood just has, for me, Sherwood just has to get to 25, 30 goal. he's going to get a fat contract. It's just not the goals. It's the breakaway nice hands goals. It's the hits, the speed, the play with passion. He cares. He's a team player.

There's a lot to like about this guy. And you don't think other teams are noticing his play? I never said that. You got another thing coming, Judas Priest, if you don't think other teams aren't noticing his play. There's media. Hold on a sec, Jay. and Oilers media is already saying

that the Oilers love Sherwood and that's not me saying that that's the media teams you know teams have noticed Dakota no sorry Sherwood Kiefer he's certainly given his

agent a lot to work with right now and you know he's certainly given his agent I'll say it his agent's doing car wheels right now well I mean the Oilers need wingers are you suggesting that maybe the connects have a decision to make later on and might trade this guy and sell high on him?

It's going to be two things. Jason, it's going to be two things. Either you sign them or you trade them. Yeah. And they might get together, I don't know. Maybe they, I just know that this week, you asked about his contract, his hot stick this week did not create super duper contract talks. Right.

You know, it didn't get it going. So maybe the conucks are still saying, okay, well, show us some more. you know, show us some more and sometimes you get burnt doing that and sometimes you don't. By the way, the U.S. Olympic team had representatives at the game last night, probably there to see Thatcher Dempco didn't start

but, you know, Sherwood's you know, he's an American but I don't think he's on the radar. I mean, but everybody's noticed his great start. Let's talk about these injuries that the Kinnocks have. There was another one last night when Brock Besser took a very

uncomfortable shot, just 30 seconds into the game. That was the crazy part. Like, you can't believe it. But are they going to start getting some guys back? Like, Quinn Hughes can't be out long. Garland, I don't know about him. You tell me. Well, Hughes has got a groin injury. He's close. They wouldn't surprise anyone if he hops on a plane and joins the team somewhere on this road trip. Bluger could be back next week. I'm told Garland's out about a week. Mancini's got an arm injury from the day he got hurt. It's 7 to 10. But the Besser thing,

were you not watching and going, really? 33 seconds into the game. They've already got eight injuries. Now it's not. I think he got Sammy Salo, right? I think we can all agree. Remember Salo? Yeah. Duncan Keith, 2010. Right? I think that's what it was. But the good thing is Adam Foote said post-game Besser

will be back, or didn't think Besser wouldn't be back next game. So that was positive. But the injuries keep piloting. filing up, Jason. Abbisford can't sustain it. They've lost six straight. They've got an East Coast hockey league roster, okay? But the Canucks are not the only banged up team in the NHL.

Look, Carolina's banged up. Look who they lost last night, Seth Jarvis. That didn't look good. Like even Rod Brindamor said post game, that did not look at, it looked like Barzell. Same thing with the Islanders last year and he was out months. It's all over the NHL. It's the condensed schedule. It's not much practice.

time. I think the Canucks have a practice schedule today. It's going to be their first one in nine days. Like, this condensed schedule is absolutely crazy. Like, it is, and the one thing about the game last night that, you know, we're talking about injuries in Sherwood, but we've got to mention Kevin Lankinen. He had a good game, 36 saves, stopped all the shots in the shootout. He hasn't had a great start of the season, but was a key last. night because the Kinnock's route shot 39-18. This team with these injuries can't afford bad

goal-tending. Like Demko gave them great goaltending against the Rangers and you know, they got it from Lincoln and last night. We're talking, what are we talking about? Condense schedule, Olympics, you know, I'm starting to really

think that the Americans might pick Demko if he keeps going the rate he is. So, you know, but look at the Americans in goal. Hellebuck, Ottinger, Dempco, and DeCords playing great in Seattle as well. They are going to be the best team in the Olympics when it comes to goaltending. I mean, they got some tough cuts to make a goal, really tough cuts. I mean, only one of them can play. That's...

Exactly. Right? Exactly. Okay. I'm hesitant to do this, but give me some updates on the Connect search for a second line. center. Yes. Well, they're busy. They're working hard at it, Jason. They're trying hard.

Are they, like, putting in their workout gear before they dial the phones? Jason, stop. Stop. They got nine injuries. If you were the GM of the Kudox, Jason, would you not be working hard trying to make a trade with nine injuries? Well, how much harder can they work compared to the offseason when they, they work? Like, what does it mean to work hard?

I've gone through every team, haven't they? Is there a team that they're like, oh, we forgot? to call Detroit. Like, this has been going on for months now. How is it going to change? How is it going to change? Or is boss going to be like, you know what? We are going to trade Zaka.

Two things are working against them right now, Jason. Parity and a ton of teams still looking for a second light center. I just mentioned Carolina. So nothing has changed. So nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. But the parity is not helping. Three points separate eighth place, East Washington.

and 16th place Islanders. That's crazy. Five teams are within three points of eighth place in the West. Most teams don't want to trade right now. They want to wait 15 to 20 games before they start wheeling and dealing. Too many teams are saying, hey, just like the Canucks, we're hovering around the playoff mark. Why should we give Vancouver a second line center?

If the Canucks land a second line center today, they're going to massively overpay because too many teams are looking for the same things. All these names you hear connected to the Canucks, Pabelsacka, Nazim Codry, now we're here in Stephen Stamp Coast. The Canucks didn't wake up and start calling these guys last week. They started this process in the summer. There was no GM busier than Patrick Alvin in the summer. He was frustrated in August at the lack of movement.

Like, this guy's been at it for a while. All these names you're hearing, they didn't just wake up and say, well, let's call for Pabelsaka. Well, let's call. All those calls took place in August. I think that's what I'm getting at, Dolly. Like, is it's either, if it hasn't happened by now, and I'll like, why is it going to happen in the next week or two?

Like, is it? Yeah, they're so. You know? Yeah, I hear what you're saying. But there's so many circumstances working against them. I do want to give, I do want to say one thing about Codry. you're going to hear the Canucks if Codry is named, if they decide to trade them. You're going to hear the Canucks hovering around.

Canucks are not on Codry's no trade list, although one Asian informed me this week, no trades are just a team on a list. Let me give you an example. A couple of years ago when the Canucks were in hot pursuit of Jake Gensel, I believe the Canucks were on his no trade, but he was very open to come to Vancouver. It's about the circumstances of the player and the team at the, time of the potential trade. Players will change your minds

about no trade list. So if you hear a guy and the Canoxer on is no trade, that doesn't really mean much. Like if the agent says to the guy, hey, look, Vancouver's the best fit, you can just wave it

and just go. But Gensel, I believe, and the Canucks were hard after him, I believe he would have come to Vancouver because he had the relationship with Rutherford and Nelveen and Pittsburgh and he had no issues coming to Vancouver at that time. So you're going to hear a lot about no trades in the coming months, but I don't think they're as important as people claim them to be. So I think that, but the Canucks, whenever a name pops up

in a Connuck trade rumor, it amazes me how people get excited. If there is a centerman available in the National Hockey League, the Canucks have called. Yeah. It shouldn't surprise anybody when a centerman's name pops up in Vancouver's link to it. Hey, I got a question for you. I got a question for you. Is Stephen Stamcoast a center? Well,

they're after them. Well, they've got them on the list. They've got center or not center. There's interest there in my eyes and other people as well. Tell us a little bit more about that because, you know, Stampcoast, first of all, he's

old. He's been a... Cadre's old, same age. He's, Cadry's a better player than Stamco's right now. I don't know if Stamco's... Like, the Canucks need

playdrivers, right? We can all agree with that up front. They need guys that can drive the puck like Garland can. And he might be their only play driving forward right now and he's injured.

Stamco's isn't going to change that. Like he's not, he's not a center in Nashville. He hasn't been a, he wasn't a center in Tampa Bay at the end of his tenure there. and there was a reason why Tampa Bay at the end of the day

we're like, you know what, Stamco's, you're a legend here, but we're going to choose Jake Gensel over you. And I think that probably hit them pretty hard, but they probably made the right call. I, you're not going to believe who I just got a call from I missed. But anyways, I, I, the Canucks are poking around. Someone told me the Canucks were poking around, Stephen Stamco's.

Others have heard it as well. I'm looking into it, Jason. But it's no surprise to me. If you're the Canucks, you've got a call on everyone. They're doing their due diligence. I'll give you an example. Remember two years ago before Milan Luch's signed in Boston? The Canucks looked in the Luchich.

I remember tweeting something about it, people freaked out. The Canucks don't care about what Canucks Twitter and the media think. They got a job to do, and that's to look into everybody and do due diligence. I don't care if Connux Media didn't like Luchich or, oh, my God, what are you guys doing going after that guy? Canucks have a job to do to look at every single player in the league and if there's a fit for every single player in the league in Vancouver. That's why

you have pro scouts. Dolly, let me ask you a question. Did the Canucks give themselves a mission impossible at the end of last season when they said we're definitely going to upgrade the center position? Yeah. Yeah, well, here's one thing they didn't tell you. Second line centers don't grow in trees

and they're very expensive. They should have added that. If you're a hawk, club in the NHL and you got a second line center and why the hell would you give them to Vancouver? It's like the fifth most important position on a team is your second line center and it always just struck me that they were like

yeah we'll be able to find a guy. They had Patterson, Miller and hello Horvatt and they decided to trade two of those guys are not getting an elite center back.

So they're to blame for the mess how do you trade two elite centers like Miller or Horvett not get an elite center back. I just, look, they're in a tough spot, they're getting a second line. And Lucas Reichel's been great, but he's got no points in four games, right? And maybe there's a reason why Chicago moved on from him, right? And, you know, he's not a playmate consentment. They need a playmate concernment.

And Jason, the reality is they're expensive. They're going to cost a ton. They cost an arm and a leg. and go ask Boston. Go ask the Canucks when they call Boston and ask for Zaka what the Bruins ask for. It's a ton. Yeah, obviously.

It's a ton. Of course. Why wouldn't they ask for a ton? They should ask for a ton. That's smart asset management. I enjoyed your rebuild talk on the crossover. That's Donnie. That's Donnie, not me.

He wants to rebuild, but I nicely keep telling him that the owner of this franchise will not, it has to get to desperation time for the owner to rebuild Trevor Linden told the owner in 2018 to rebuild Jim Benning said I can fix it in two years who did he pick? Pick the guy that said it could fix in two years and then every two years came up he said again I'll fix it in two okay and then the two more it was the two year plan that never worked

torts said he could turn it around real quick torts just come in there and whip him into shape and then a year later he was like the roster is stale but hold it a second you may make a great point. The first two people in Vancouver to say the Canucks have to rebuild was Tortorella and

Ryan Kester. Kester said, I'm out of here, I'm gone, this is not looking good. Those two guys were the first two to say, holy smokes, you know, maybe I'm out of here. You guys are going to rebuild. And then Trevor did it. But he just it's going to be impossible. It's good to get this guy to rebuild because

he knows, look, the last 14 years, two playoff appearances. If you rebuild, I love how all these people think there's a catalog or there's a book that says this is how you rebuild and it takes five years. Well, Buffalo is in the year 14, right? The Arizona took 8-9. Red Wings have been out of the playoffs, 9.

Florida took forever. There's no set way to do a rebuild and say it's guaranteed it's in five years. You've got to have the right GM, the right coach, and the right development team. Montreal did it great God bless them but it's assuring more that it's 8, 9, 10 years plus when you do these things

well I also pointed out earlier in the week was it earlier in the week we were saying just the thought came to me that you know even when they put together the 2011 team they didn't rebuild into that look at the aggressive moves that they made they went out and traded for a long ago air off was a great deal

that was a great that was a great pickup ham hughes was a good free agent signing like they they were aggressive they weren't like well we'll just wait and see now they did have the sidines there which obviously helped them a lot but that wasn't like it wasn't it was far from like a patient rebuild remember they went out and gave big money to mat sundeen that wasn't their plan they've under this ownership group they've always been like they've never had this which is why halford and i are kind of like people texting and I say, you've got to talk about the rebuild

and you've got to say like, you know, if the media says it, like you've got to rebuild, you know, then it's like they won't. Like we've done it before and there's no, it's just kind of like an empty calorie discussion. We all know the arguments for and against, but if you want us to talk about it again, fine, but it's not going to happen

until there is a signal from this ownership group that they will operate in a different way and they own the team and it's their right to operate the way, whatever they weigh they want it. And if you rebuild, you might as well drive Quinn Hughes to the airport the same day, and the president is not going to stick around for a rebuild.

That's not going to happen either. So, you know, there's a lot of ramifications of going to a rebuild. They're stuck in the mushy middle. They're not good enough to be a Stanley Cup contender, and they're not bad enough to be 32nd. They're stuck in the middle with a ton of other teams, and there's the parity thing again, right? The NHL wanted parity, they got it.

there's a ton of teams that are in that mushy middle either but how do you get up and get into the top 10 elite teams they're in a real interesting spot they're not bad enough to be 32nd but they're not good enough to be a contender okay uh quick hitters before we let you go one are you going to tell i want a quick hit with you holford okay the guy that just called me yeah who is my hip was it sam a lamb I was calling, I was calling Sam a Lam, Black Betty Bamlam, because for you guys, I wanted an update, he's with the Olympic team and what he thinks of Pedersen. So I called Sam a lamb this morning, and he didn't pick it up, but right about four minutes ago, Sam Lam calls me, and I missed the call. I'm going to call him back after I get off the year with you. But it's been the one-year anniversary since I sang Sam-A-Lam, BlackBetty, Bam-Lam on your show.

Sam-A-Lam? Sam-A-Lam. Hey, do you think, do you think PD's going to make the Olympic team? Oh, bruff, why would he not? Is that a serious question, rough? Yeah, it is. Have you watched the last four games? Yeah, he's playing better.

That's why I think it's like, that's why I ask you the question. Because, like, honestly, a couple of weeks. weeks ago, I was like, I don't, I don't know. At the end of the year? Did you watch him in the Four Nations? He shouldn't have been out there. He played nine minutes in the last game. And he got outplayed by, whatever, the, Ack, uh, Minnesota guy. Anyways, listen, but that's why I called Sam a lamb for you guys to get the Pedersen update. Thanks, buddy.

And you took, I do for you guys. You took our call over Sam Halams. Whoa. No, I, black buddy. Um, okay. You got, you got to get the. song on your phone, by the way, whenever he calls. That should be Sam Halam's ringtone. It's that song. Sam a lamb.

I know how technically gifted you are, too. I'm sure that'll be an easy one. Yeah, what? Listen, if you can't move your feet to that song, Holford, listen. Yeah. If you can't move your feet to that song, you'll never move your feet to any song in the world.

You got no heart, no soul if you can't dance to that song. You're going to watch a whitecaps? Even Pederson moves his feet to that song. That's right. You're going to watch Whitecaps tomorrow? Absolutely. And again, and I'm sounding like a broken record. But get out there, support the White Caps.

$32,000 last week. It was great. Obviously, they're going to wrap it up. 20 shots, no shots allowed. Love this team. They're the funnest White Caps team to watch since my 79 soccer bowl team, Trevor Wymark, all those good guys, Leonard Uzi. So the white caps just keep supporting them.

Lions opened up the upper bowl. Hallford, they're going to pass 30,000 tomorrow against the Stampeders. Ricky's going to be there. No private box. He'll be in the blue-collar seats with the blue-collar fans. I'll be there and getting the support in the lines. And what do you guys think of

Nathan Rourke saying, he's not going to try the NFL again? Yeah, we were, it's been so busy. We had the audio at the ready and we were like, good to go, but we just never got around to it. I keep it addressing. I'm going to play it on the other side. I heard the NFL said, don't worry, we're not going to try you anymore. Oh, jeez. Oh, this guy.

This guy, Rick, I tell you. It's when Dollywall comes on the show. It gets me all wound up. Listen to me. Hey. You old are this, broff. You're the non-cash in the CFL, yet you're tweeting, retweeting the Nathan Roark story.

I don't bash the CFL. This is because there's people like you. There's a classic CFL people that any criticism is bashing the CFL. I want better things for the CFL and there are some people that have just got their head in the sand when it comes to this league. You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough.