Halford & Brough in the Morning - The Best of Halford and Brough 6/19/25

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Mike & Jason look back at the previous day in sports, plus they discuss the latest 'Nucks news with Canucks Talk host & The Athletic Vancouver's Thomas Drance. This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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So because this is such a hugely important off season for the Vancouver Canucks, I feel like we should almost every morning until the off season is over, which is really just July 2nd, depending on which Mitch Marner does, we should be parsing through the majority of news as it pertains to signings, re-signings, trades, rumors,

everything about this off season because the landscape is going to fundamentally shape what the Vancouver Canucks can or cannot do in this, as we said, very integral off season. So the news yesterday, two teams kind of took the lead, the Edmonton Oilers and the Nashville Predators. I guess we should start in Edmonton because there was some really interesting stuff

with a team that just finished its gap. Yeah, the Stanley Cup hangover. We'll start it right away. Loser hangover for the Edmonton Oilers. This was first reported by Frank Saravalli at Daily Face Off, and he has sources that are telling him that the NHL plans to continue to examine Edmonton's use of long-term injury with forward Evander Kane in the days and weeks ahead.

And there weren't many details about like, what is being alleged. And what's being investigated. And well, that's what I mean. What is being investigated and what is being alleged. And what's being investigated. Well, that's what I mean. What is being investigated and what is being alleged. But correct me if I'm wrong, Halford. Okay. But this Evander Cain situation all season

has seemed off and a little bit shady. It stunk from day one. Okay. You called it out. I, right from the beginning, you were right. When he had surgery, not necessarily. We don't know what happened. We don't even know like who would be making the complaints.

Is it the oilers that are leaking stuff? Is it a Vander Cane that's leaking stuff? Is it none of them? People are just investigating this, but right from the beginning, when he had surgery in September, he was playing golf in September, and then, then he goes into surgery and you're like, well, why, what happened there? Why did they wait so long to have surgery? why did they wait so long to have surgery? And then he underwent an additional surgery on January 9th.

And according to Frank, that was to remove a congenital tumor-like growth in his knee that further complicated his timeline to return. With the knee surgery, he was forced to pause his rehab from the groin surgery for a period of seven to eight weeks. And then he began practicing with the oilers again in late February, following the Four Nations break. And then remember some of the conversations we had, I think with Frank.

And it was about LTIR because the oilers weren't sure if they were going to be able to use that space at the trade deadline. I was like, that's weird. You'd think they'd kind of have a timeline and know one way or the other. And then Frank would say things like, well, if Ender came might want to come back before the playoffs and we were both kind of like, wouldn't they be on the same page there?

Like what, what is going on here? What is going on here? Anyway, they eventually, I suppose, did use that LTIR and it might've been the, uh, Wallman trade. Yeah. That finally put them into LTI. And then if Vander Kane misses the first game of the playoffs because the Oilers said he didn't have doctors clearance and we're all like

mmm that seems like they're putting on a show for the NHL just to miss that first game and then all of a sudden he was back in the playoffs. Like the whole thing right from the start has seemed like there's a bigger story there. Yeah. And I there behind the scenes, there appears to be a real disconnect between the Oilers, Canes camp and then whatever the league thought was either fair play with regards to LTIR or unfair play. The fact that they're still investigating it after the season is done and dusted and wrapped

There's a couple different takeaways from that one and you'll be shocked to know that this narrative is coming out of Edmonton That the Edmonton fans are screaming. It's a rigged league everyone else plays around with LTIR and gets away with it Why is there an investigation into this particular? LTIR, you know a grievance. I do wonder if that had something to do with his availability being earlier than when it was supposed to be because the first set of surgeries did take place at the beginning of the year and the second one took place in January. I think they're investigating it because the GM started complaining about LTIR. And we expect it to be addressed in the new CBA. And this is the NHL.

I don't know if this is all for show. I don't know if anything will come of it, but you know, we all heard that they were going to investigate this stuff a little closer because people were getting frustrated by it. they were going to investigate this stuff a little closer because people were getting frustrated by it. And, you know, people texting in, Tyler, sure, but don't ever look into Vegas for their use of LTIR. That was the first takeaway that I had. Mark Stone looking around like,

Look, if you're going to do funny business with LTIR, I don't know if there should be punishments for degree of funny business. The reality is, is that Edmonton did not, whatever, however it came to be, Edmonton did not get his services throughout the entirety of the regular season. And he also sat out one game of the playoffs. There have been countless other teams where guys have popped back for game one while they've also gone about using the space

from that players's elsewhere. The Canucks used it back in 2011. So my theory would be that something so egregious must have happened here, or there must have been a leak so large that the NHL couldn't ignore it. That's the only way I can imagine that it came to this level. Do you think so? Or maybe like-

Or what, they want to make this the- The crackdown, you know? Like this is the, you know, like this is this is the this is the you know So I had to punish someone Yeah, sometimes they call hooking and holding early in the season. Maybe this is the this is a crackdown I guess my counterpoint will be wouldn't the crackdown just be addressing it the next collective bargaining agreement saying we're not doing this anymore Yeah, what are you gonna penalize them for you're gonna give them a cap hit? retroactively for

Evander Cain moving into next season and then make it more difficult for them to sign guys in the off season. It pains me to have to possibly be on the side of the Edmonton Oilers here because I don't care for the shenanigans to begin with. Well, okay, is this possible? Now, this is pure speculation. I love pure speculation. This is pure speculation. Remember that whole thing around the trade deadline when we were like, are the oilers in the Kane camp not on the same page here? I did wonder that.

Yep. What is going on here? Did something happen from that? Frank does go on to say in that piece. I don't know if you've ever heard, but sometimes things go bad between a Vander Kane and the teams that he's on. I'm not familiar with that history. Sometimes relationships, like, is there

something, is there something there? Cause like I said. He's definitely left every other city on good terms, so I don't know where you're getting that from. Like, did he complain? Did he complain that, did he complain that he was pushed onto the sidelines and kept out because of LTIR? Now here's another thought that you can have on this, is that in that same piece where

Frank breaks down from his sources what's going on with the league's investigation into LTIR, Frank also writes that Kane is, quote, expected to be trade fodder this summer as the Edmonton Oilers seek salary cap flexibility. Now, so I read that and I'm thinking, I do wonder if Kane is sitting there and saying, you guys help force me to hold out the entire season to get the cap relief. I get to come back in the playoffs, and then you're going to quickly try and dump me or move me as quick as possible.

Yeah, my nose might be out of joint. Yeah, it should be like, yeah, we don't like you. Yeah, and that is a totally plausible scenario as possible. Yeah. My nose might be out of joint. Yeah. I should be like, yeah, we don't like you. Yeah. And I, and that is a totally plausible scenario as well. We actually just wanted you away from the team this season. That's why we went through now from a purely, that's why you had surgery in September and not the end of the season from a purely, oh, it would be so delicious standpoint. The oilers getting dinged with a cap penalty heading into a summer where

they're going to need to shell out huge bucks for Evan Bouchard and are finally able to enter extension talks with Connor McDavid. I mean, yeah, it would be, it would be hilarious from a neutral's point of view that they're the one team that's finally, finally going to get dinged for LTIR shenanigans is the one that has Connor McDavid waiting for a contract extension on July 1. Well, let's move on to the next bit of Oilers News because for some reason, the Oilers are thinking of giving Trent Frederick an eight-year contract with a cap hit just below $4 million.

This one comes courtesy again, Frank Sarah Valley from Daily Faceoff doing work on the Edmonton beat yesterday. Frank said yesterday, quote, don't expect the Oilers to announce the deal in the near future, given they've got other business to attend to. But Frederick's deal is expected to be at eight years north of three and a half million, but just shy of four. There was also news on this extension from another reporter.

The score is John Mattis. So this is definitely out there to some degree. I have no idea why they'd be interested in extending Frederick this long. I thought he was a pretty disappointing acquisition for them. I know he was injured and I know he missed almost the entirety of the regular season with Edmonton due to that injury. But when he was playing in the postseason, maybe there were lingering effects. Didn't get over 12 minutes a game,

was minimal in terms of production. Even the physicality, which he is known for, didn't really shine through. I didn't notice him. I noticed Pod Colson way more than Trent Frederick. Likewise, and that wasn't just because we're Connects guys and we were trying to look for Pod Colson. He was a much more noticeable player.

Frederick did have a really great year two years ago. That's when he had the 18 goals and 40 points in 82 games. So maybe there's a thought that when he's healthy, he can get back to that. But for a guy that's turning 28, who didn't really shine in his cameo appearance with the Oilers to get a reported eight year deal is kind of crazy, but teams are retaining guys right now.

We're kind of seeing that. That there's a lot of teams that are re-upping with their players so that they either don't hit free agency or aren't available in the trade market. This morning, the Ottawa Senators re-signed Fabian Zetterlund, who they acquired from the San Jose Sharks at the trade deadline. So that's one as well.

There was a trade yesterday as well in the National Hockey League. After a few days off of no action during the Stanley Cup final, the Nashville Predators announced that they had reacquired veteran forward Eric Hall from the New Jersey Devils. Not exactly a blockbuster trade and nothing that's really going to shake the league to its core.

But it is a guy that returns a bit of a journeyman player in a hall, having played in a variety of different locations. He goes back to Nashville, Nashville looking to bounce back from a terrible year last year. Nashville also announced yesterday that their captain, Roman Yossi, is expected to be a training camp this summer or this September. Now you might say, well, why was that ever in question? If you didn't follow what happened in Nashville this year,

one of the many things that went wrong was that Yossi was limited to 53 games this year with what they thought was post-concussion syndrome. I'm going to try and pronounce the actual syndrome that he had. Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. I think I got it. It's POTS for short. P-O-T-S. Is that, so. You know what it is. Tachycardia is an elevated heartbeat, right?

It's when you have an abnormally large increase in heart rate after sitting or standing. It's what most people know is getting old. Roman Yossi is not old enough to have that. It was apparently a byproduct of the concussion that he suffered on a hit from Sam Bennett earlier this season. So he was out of the lineupcussion that he suffered on a hit from Sam Bennett earlier this season. So he was out of the lineup since February

and then was having these. That must be kind of scary actually if the car just starts racing like that. Right, and then, but always. While you're playing too. Yeah. That wouldn't be fun. So for him, it happened in the post-concussion window,

as I mentioned, after like sitting up or lying down. You know, some people get that. They're like, sit up too quick, old people. They're like, ah, I got a headache sitting up or lying down. You know, some people get that. They're like, sit up too quick. Old people, they're like, I got a headache now. I'm dizzy. Right, it was happening to Roman Yossi. Was he getting like dizzy and that sort of thing? Yes, yeah.

So he is on meds to alleviate the symptoms and he will be okay and will resume training with the national predators in September. So there's your news out of there. And in other news from around the National Hockey League. I get that in the hot tub sometimes, by the way. I get it all the time. Oh, you stand up too quickly in the hot tub, you get out, then you're back in the hot tub.

We're all these first aid people. What happened? Did I take a nap in the hot tub? For us like, do I got the pots? I got the pots. Other news from around the National Hockey League from yesterday, Ryan Donato signed a four year, $16 million contract extension with the Chicago Blackhawks yesterday,

average annual value of four million. Another guy that's really bounced around the NHL from the Bruins to the Wilds to the Sharks to the Kraken and now the Blackhawks. A career year though, at 29, I didn't even realize he reached these totals. 31 points and 31 assists, 62 points in 80 games this season. Is this a Ryan Suter comp?

Pugh Suter comp. Oh sorry, Pugh Suter. Ryan Suter would love to get that kind of money right now. Well he's probably getting it with all the bio things. Yeah, is this a Pugh? He's getting it from like nine teams. Yeah. Is this a Pugh Suter comp because?

Yeah, I kind of know exactly where you're going with this and I think you might be right. Yeah, well, I mean, he's a center. He hasn't really stood out in his career much. But a career last year? Yeah, I can't remember how old suitor is, but he's probably around this age. Four years, $16 million.

Pugh suitor is also the same age, 29 years old. Yeah, yeah. They're very similar. Very similar. Very similar trajectories bounced around the NHL a little bit, found a home for years. Sixteen million. Now, the interesting thing is like for Chicago, it kind of seemed like a no brainer. Yeah. Donato was I mean, non Connor

Badaar division was probably the best player last year. He wildly overachieved for them. Might have been better than Bedard. Right, I wanted to put that in quotations, not brackets. But you look at what he did last year, and Chicago's got tons of cap space. They've got roster spots available for anyone that decides to show up and play well on a regular basis.

And Donato really showed up last year. Okay, so let's go through the timeline for the next couple of weeks because they're going to be massive for the Canucks in terms of what they're going to look like next season. It's June 19th today. Halford, it's Thursday. Thursday. Okay. So remember you got it wrong yesterday. It's Thursday, June 19th. Thursday. The draft is next Friday and Saturday. That's June 27th and 28th.

Free agency, as always is July 1st, the Tuesday following the draft. In other words, the Canucks better get shaken. Currently, the only players under contract that you can slot into the top six for sure are Elias Pedersen and Jake DeBresk. Dos. Uno.

Pedersen. Dos. DeBresk. Okay. Ideally Garland and Joshua are back in a third line role where they excelled the season they made the playoffs. Maybe Heedle is their center because that's where the Canucks want them.

They see him as a third line center or a top six winger, but probably a third line center. So they need to add at least another top six center and top six winger. Now they could always circle back on Besser or Suter, but it doesn't feel like that's their plan A. They want to get faster, they need to get faster. I think they want to get different. Yeah, that's fair. And a little size wouldn't hurt either.

I was looking at the Canucks lineup yesterday and I just had a bunch of thoughts. I wonder what the future holds for Nils Hoeglund. I could honestly see him anywhere next season in the top six, in the bottom six, or on another team. I know the Canucks see him as a likely bounce back candidate, but I could also see him as a trade chip where another team sees the exact same thing and goes, that guy has cost certainty over the next few years. He's talented. He plays with a bit of an edge, get him in a new environment. Maybe he takes off.

Um, so I wonder about Holglinder. Um, if Heidel is the three C is Bluger the four C or is Bluger maybe a trade chip as well with some young guys down on the farm, like Max Sassen or Ty Mueller, where do Sherwood and O'Connor fit? Those guys can play up and down the lineup. You could put them in the top six if you want. You better have two good players playing with them. Sure. Because they're not really top six guys.

Down is preferable. And then, you know, I kind of mentioned this already, the Abbey guys, among the forwards, I'm mostly thinking about Linus Carlson and Sassen. Um, this is purely me speculating, but I really do see Leckermache as a potential trade chip. They don't want to trade DPT. No.

Or Willander. Nope. Which would only leave Leckermache in the kind of blue chip department. Yeah, I know guys like Kudryadzev and Mancini have impressed, but I don't consider them blue chip prospects. Like Lekkeramaki has the draft profile. I don't think you can count on Lekkeramaki to be a regular NHL or next season when he can't even get into regular AHL games.

This is not a criticism of the prospect. Everyone just develops at their own rate. And right now, if you were to say, all right, Leckar and Mackie, we'll got you in top six, you're going to replace Besser. I think that would be unfair to the team and unfair to the player. It's a big ass. I don't think they'll do that.

Um, so it's, it's wide open for the Canucks right now and people that wouldn't want the Canucks to trade Leckermackie, I get it. But Jim Rutherford has said, he's, he's like, this has been his quote, I'm paraphrasing a little bit here, but he's like, you know, to get these second line center or a top six winger, it's going to hurt. And they're going to be people that don't like what we do.

And I do wonder more and more if that is Leckermackie. Again, this is going on the assumption and what we've heard that they are, would you say staunchly opposed staunchly opposed to moving Willander or DPD? DPD? DPD, especially. Yeah. Like that is the the cameo that DPD had last year solidified him in the eyes of a lot of people in the organization. And Leckaromacky, the interesting thing about him is despite whatever's happened in the American League this year, where he did have a good regular season,

they get a goal scoring totals for a guy his age in his draft. Plus, whatever, you're fine. I thought he showed well in certain situations in the NHL. I thought he looked really comfortable on the power play. Yeah, he doesn't have the trust of his head coach in a series where you're playing against an AHL veterans. Like who cares? Like it's, you know, he's a learning process for him. Yeah, whatever the case. He needs to get bigger and stronger. I think you can sell a really and tell a really nice story about him as a prospect and something that you could retain or sorry

you could get really good value back in return and I do wonder if that's what's gonna end up happening here. So some sort of hybrid if you're gonna throw all your chips on the table it's gonna be like well we've got Lecra Mackey we've got a first round pick this year we've got a first round pick next year although that's the McKenna sweepstakes. I don't know if you want to even entertain that idea. And then you start going down the list and it's like, can you trade a guy like Blugr?

Because it does make sense if you're gonna bump a guy from the American league to play 4C behind whatever you've got at one, two, three. And right now you've got Pedersen as your one and Hedl ideally as your three. So you're gonna have to fill the two. But I get, you start to see the pieces taking shape. And part of it is because you see what's going on

in free agency and in trades right now. And it's, there's movement happening already. The Canucks aren't going to have a lot of options as opposed to previous years. We went over that yesterday. So the stuff that you're putting on the table to offer up to other teams, it kind of has to be more and more and more as it grows.

The question is, and I think it'll always come back to this with regards to what you're willing to part with this summer, will you finally concede that you do need to move one of those defensive pieces? I love our listeners. Two texts come in. Don't forget Ratu. He would need to clear waivers.

And then tones. What about Ratu? He could be the 4C. Yeah, he would need to clear waivers and then tones, what about Ratu? He could be the 4C. Yeah, he could be the 4C as well. And that would be something where you're like, we move Bluger now, everyone will be saying, well, what are you gonna get in return for Bluger? Great question, I'm not sure.

But it's gonna come down to a real simple sort of scenario where there's a list of things that the team is willing to move. Then there's always that small pile of things that you don't really want to move, but you haven't quite said 100% no to yet. Like 99% of the way there. And that's me.

Look what they're asking for. They're asking to get a top six center and a top six winger, maybe another top six winger. Yeah, and it's going to be difficult. It's going to be honestly almost impossible. You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. What we just have to call Thomas Drance Erotica.

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Oh, we're good. Do you wanna take a stab at the Abbotsford Canucks stuff? Because prior to the break, we were going back and forth with the listener who was bemoaning the lack of coverage that we've given the game given that tonight is you know game for the Calder Cup final and Abbots we can take a 3-1 lead and if they win tonight They've got a close-out chance the chance to win the whole thing at home And then Jason said like he finds it difficult sometimes to you know cover the team like he would the Vancouver Canucks, right?

Yeah to really dig in on it. Right. And it is difficult because, you know, some of the players at the bottom end of the roster have no NHL likelihood or aspirations. There's a large rotation in the American League and the games are more difficult to cover. Doesn't mean that we're not doing it. It's just harder to do. And you were just being honest. We're just being honest. Yeah. How closely you've been paying attention to this run? I know we've gone over it a couple of times and that last time we had you on

the show, you very thoroughly broke down about betting on a group that goes through a Calder Cup run like this. So historically there's some context there for sure, but how closely you've been dialed into this particular run? Yeah. I mean, I've been watching here and there. I watched the, I watched one of the games against Coachella, uh, cause I happened to be down. So that was in the first round, uh, cause I happened to be down

visiting my mom and they actually broadcast those games on local TV down here. So that was easy. Yeah. Um, they, you know, that's part of it, right? Like it would be one thing if you could just, you know, go belly up at a bar somewhere, right, and have the game on, right? But the American league does require a different level of like work to watch. So then I watched the elimination game against the Colorado Eagles.

That was around two. And then I started watching sort of like on an every game basis toward the end of that Dallas or the sorry, the Texas Stars series. So yeah, I've been watching this final. And I mean, one thing I've been impressed with with this team was that third period nuke that they dropped on CLT on what was it Monday? No, Tuesday. Looks pretty familiar. Look looked like the, the closeout game that they had against the Texas stars.

And that's one of those cool moments where, you know, it feels like a team on a run, right. Is getting into this sort of like symbiosis with their home crowd, right. Where they've got this gear that they can hit and the crowd gets into it and they can just kind of, you know, like pick the wings off a fly of their opponents and just take over a game when it matters.

That's what that third period felt like against Texas. That's what that third period felt like on Tuesday. And I always think that's a really good sign. I think you can see sometimes that like, we've all seen that in the NHL, right? We saw that with the Canucks frankly, on their run in 2023, right? Like they had all seen that in the NHL, right? We saw that with the Canucks, frankly, on their run in 2023, right? Like they had moments like of that, like that where, you know, they'd get the goal, the building would explode

and then they'd quickly get the other one and they and they did it multiple times and it just sort of gathers its own momentum. And so I do think these next two games are really critical, especially because the first two games of the series that I watched, I thought, Oh boy, are they in trouble? Like, Oh boy, is this Charlotte team at a different level in terms of controlling play. And, you know, this is really the Shelov's show and there's been some opportunistic finishing and maybe some like good in zone defensive play, right? I'm not, I'm not sort of criticizing the Abbotsford for, for the way they played and grinding out a one-one split on the road. That's what you got to do in the playoffs. But it just looked like the gear that Charlotte had was higher, materially higher, and that they might be in trouble

in this series. So for it to shift and for the balance of play to shift that dramatically and then for Abbotsford to put together that sort of a third period. I mean, that is awesome, right? Like that's exactly the sort of underdog script and they were betting underdogs going into the series, not, not heavy plus 100. Um, but you know, that Charlotte team ran rough shot through the East. They crushed it. And I even think internally, there was a sense like, you know, this team's had such an easy go of it to this point. They've been absolutely destroying teams on their run to get here.

They haven't been playing. We've been playing, you know, this early part of the series is really critical. Like maybe we can kind of catch them unaware. Maybe we can kind of, you know, um, show them that we can skate with them in a way where it takes them a minute to sort of catch up to our pace and like explicitly explicitly that's I think how this Abbotsford team was approaching the early part of the series and that's mission accomplished so far, right? They've got them on their heels, they've got an edge. And these next two games, like this closeout opportunity at home, especially given what the games looked like on the road, I do think are really high leverage for this team, obviously. I mean, every game in a Calder Cup final is high leverage.

Canucks affiliates never won a Calder Cup. Like this would be a tremendous accomplishment for the organization. So yeah, I'm really curious to see what tonight looks like and then I will be watching. I heard you talking about Manny Malholtra and the fact that the Dallas Stars still haven't hired a head coach. Yeah. Do you think that might be, might be related that Manny Mulholland is, you know, still coaching and

the Dallas Stars haven't hired a head coach? Yeah. I mean, I don't have information on this, right? But sometimes I like to walk on Canucks Talk where we, you know, basically have more time to navel gaze than you guys take, right? Like you guys have more guests, you guys have more segments.

We like to just do like 30 minutes of nothing. Right. Um, we do plenty of nothing on our show. My friend. No, you guys are, you guys are focused in discipline. Um, the, so I was just sort of walking people through, like one thing that I, I would look for here is like, if the Dallas stars are truly hiring an internal candidate, right.

Then to me, Monday and Wednesday were sort of the first two days that loomed really large because an internal candidate is not something you usually go through like a three or four week, you know, or a process to land on necessarily. Right. I mean, the, the Canucks hired internally, they're two finalists or they're two like that. I think they had more, but their short, short list was all internal guys. And that was done really quickly, right? Like the Canucks process unfolded very fast internally. Um, you know, you, you sometimes see it like the, the Gillis, Alain

Vigneault, Ted at Tets would be sort of a Canucks analog where the Canucks decided to keep Vino he was already the head coach but that took some time which which sort of I guess you could draw straight line and say well that you know it sometimes happens but you know basically if this is gonna be a story there were kind of two benchmarks that I thought mattered and one was the Monday before game six. And one was the Wednesday after the Stanley Cup was awarded. If the Stanley Cup was in fact awarded on the Tuesday night, which it was. Um, yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting that they haven't pulled the trigger on one of their two strong internal candidates in Nez Radin, um, you know, or the, uh, the American league coach who I always want to call chase Daniels.

or the American league coach who I always want to call Chase Daniels, but that's not his name. So yeah, look, could they be interested in Manny Melter? I don't know, but if they were, this seems to be like the sort of timeline where it would become something we'd focus on. And more than anything, that's what I was laying out. Drancer, we asked earlier in the show for predictions on what the Canucks will actually accomplish over the next couple of weeks. Pretty important couple of weeks when it comes to next off season.

Um, do you have any idea, do you have any predictions on, on, on, on what we'll see? Because the point we've been trying to make on our show is just how challenging it's going to be to accomplish all the things that the Canucks want to accomplish with all the cap space out there, all the aggressive teams. Yeah.

You know, we're seeing guys like Trent Frederick apparently getting an eight year deal out of, out of the Edmonton Oilers, you know, Duchenne's off the board now. Um, you know, Eric Hall got traded, you know, these are all names that were kind of like, Oh, I wonder about him or wonder about that. Is there, who's going to be left for the Canucks?

Yeah, look, the, I mean, the Duchenne one to me is a bit of a blow just in that there really aren't many, there aren't many like actual top of the lineup guys on the market, right? Duchenne was, I think only Mitch Marner among pending unrestricted free agents had more points than Duchenne last year, right? So, you know, that's an 80 point winger slash center.

And yeah, he's 34. He definitely has often prioritized staying in the southern part of the United States, right? Like he was in Ottawa, he didn't want to sign there, got traded to Columbus at the deadline, then he signed with Nashville, and then he signed two consecutive one year deals with the Dallas Stars. And why I thought he might be available was the age, right? He's 34, which means that in a year, he's 35.

And then the plus 35 rule applies to him, which fully guarantees your contract. So like this was the last opportunity for him in his career, probably to sign a guaranteed money three or four year deal. And you know, the fact that he ends up staying in Dallas on a sweetheart cap hit. I mean, I know that there's risk attached with giving term to a 34 year old player, but 4.5 million for guy who had 80 points last year. And I know he didn't score in the conference final or what have you. But if you were watching those games, like there were a couple posts, like he had his chances. He didn't look over

matched in those games. It was just one of those things where it didn't work out for Dallas against the Edmunds and Oilers.ers. I actually thought he played pretty well and looked like he still had some of that down low juice that he's always had, right? He's a fast skater, but he's a fast skater in space, right? Like as much as he can be a good attacking presence off the rush, like his speed games really coming off the wall with pace into dangerous areas of the ice. And he still has that burst. So, you know, even though he's an older player, like that was something that I thought was pretty interesting from a Canucks perspective, like maybe the best fit available who was actually a realistic possibility for them. Right. I mean, obviously the best fit available Sam Bennett, we don't expect Sam

Bennett to be a Vancouver Canucks, right? But I thought maybe Duchenne, there was a shot there, if the Canucks could elbow their way in and win the bidding. But look, no surprise that Duchenne wanted to stay south. And I actually think that news is a big L. I think that's a tough one to come off the board from a Canucks perspective. I thought he was one of the more credible options, frankly, that could meaningfully alter how we sort of viewed

this team's offensive ceiling going into next season and with him on the ball off the board, you know, we're, we're really talking Bennett. We're talking Marner. We're talking Ealers. Like, I don't think we're, you know, like even of the old guys, even of the older centers, like I would way rather have Deshaen at this stage of his career than Tavares or Giroux. Like I thought he was the class of that even of the older centers. Like I would way rather have Duchenne at this stage of his career than Tavares or Giroux. Like I thought he was the class of that type of player.

Yeah. Um. I mean, Rutherford already kind of acknowledged that it's unlikely that the big acquisition is going to be through free agency. So I just keep coming back to the trade route and. Yeah. Well, they knew that they were going to be in

tough with the top guys, but like they did their homework on Duchesne. So I hadn't sort of bucketed him as what Rutherford was talking about there. I thought he was sort of preparing the market for the club to not be like front of the line bidding on Marner and Ehlers and Bennett, like the real big name guys. Right? That's how I big name guys. That's how I'd taken it anyway. I didn't think that necessarily applied to

a guy like Deshane. I think there would have been interest there if they'd ever gotten an opportunity to pitch him, which obviously they won't as he doesn't make it to July 1. Let's say within the context of Pugh of Pew suitors next contract, Ryan, then out it gets four by four in Chicago. So him and suitor are the exact same age, about 29 years old. They're both coming off career years. Then I had a little bit more production. I think it was 31 goals and 31 assists. Then you throw Duchenne's deal into the mix. And obviously it's different because he's 34 years old and he probably wanted to

stay in Dallas, but it's still basically four years, four and a half per. What's Pew suitor thinking right now? Yeah. I mean, if Pew suitor should probably be thinking I should be able to beat Ryan Donato, given that I'm a far better defensive player and had pretty similar production on a much more successful team. Right. I mean, sure. Yeah. That's, that's how he should be thinking about it. And he's right. but we know that the profile, right? Like the thing about Pew suitor is he's completely traits free, right? Just like zero traits. He's, he's undersized, he's left-handed, he doesn't win draws.

He's not fast. And in fact, might be one of the slower skaters in the league. And none of it matters because of how smart he is, right? None of it matters because he's just a real good hockey player. Yeah. Like a really good hockey player, but smart, you know, people, he's a genius. He's, he's a special defensive player. Yep.

Right. There are 11 spots in the lineup where he is a average or plus contributor, including first line wings, both first line wing spots. The best version of the JT Miller Brock Besser line was the one with Pew suitor on it. He helped that line defensively to a massive extent, and he scores at a credible top six rate at five on five. Now people will be like, Oh, 15 goals a year.

It's like, yeah, if you get no power play time and you're often playing fourth line center and you score 15 goals a year, you're good. Like you're really good. And Pugh suitor is really good. He's just a winning player, man. No matter where he plays, he will help you in. And I think he's got special utility for teams because as injuries mount over the course of a season or over the course of a playoff run, right? There's almost nowhere in the lineup you can put him where he doesn't, you know, at least hold the

fort and usually he actually helps you win in those minutes. The only place that I don't feel comfortable playing Pew suitor on a night to night basis is first line center. Like that's it. That's the only place that I, that I'm like, Ooh, that's going to be a problem.

Yeah. Yeah, obviously. And that's, and that's not a slate to him. It's just the bar that you need to be a first line center in the NHL. Yes. But I thought the seams showed, right? Like that Columbus game, right?

Where the Canucks defense just fell apart, right? Some of those games down the stretch, I think you could see the seams begin to show. Well, there are a lot of seams on the Canucks last year. A lot of seams. There are, there are. Yeah. And so in Canucks last year. A lot of seams. There are. Yeah.

And so in terms of, to come back to like a prediction, like I think they're in a dangerous spot. I think this is a really tricky moment for the club because the needs are massive, right? Like if you were to ask me like, what did the Canucks, if you were to set the bias bar high enough to be like, how did the Canucks make it to the conference final next

year, right? I would tell you that they need a star forward, another first line forward, and then they need to credibly find replacements for bester and suitor. Right? And it's like it's not enough to just replace bester and suitor or to resign them. It's like they need to do that and bring in two additional high end forwards. And how do you accomplish that with 12 million in cap space? You know, you at least have your first round picks, you have some pretty interesting prospects on the back end, and you have three goalies, right? And at least, you know, outside of Lankton and outside of Lankton

and both Demko and Shelovs would have some level of exchange value at this point, especially in the wake of what Shelovs has accomplished in the Calder Cup playoffs. And it's just like, everything has to be on the table, I think, but you also can't get to a point where you're striking out like as much as the Canucks have some stuff to trade and barter with, they don't have have some stuff to trade and barter with, they don't have as much stuff to trade and to barter with as a lot of the other teams that are going to be in the trade market for similar players. Like Montreal. Montreal has two first round picks plus all the prospects they've built up or Columbus or even Boston. You sort of go down the list and it's not that this team is like in a cap crunch.

It's not like they have no prospects. It's not like they don't have a, they have a full coterie. They have seven draft picks. They have a draft pick in every round, but they don't have the surplus. They don't have like more than others, right? They're have low average buying power, a below average prospect system, below average assets to deal with. And so they're going gonna need well above average.

In fact, they're gonna need elite creativity and they're going to need to do all of this with a steel nerve because they can't get desperate and overpay here. This is a very dangerous moment, given how fragile this is, given that the team hasn't built up these surpluses or these sort of areas of real like strength and value

from which to spend while also these sort of areas of real like strength and value from which to spend while also having sort of an existential short-term goal, which is to get really, really good, really, really fast so that you can help convince Quinn Hughes to stay. And so my prediction is honestly that I think we're going to need to see something pretty remarkable from Patrick Alveen and Jim Rutherford or the Conne, you know, in for a pretty frustrating next two and a half weeks. By the way on that Duchenne front. So the ramifications now is that with him locked up, Dallas has 18 players signed for next season and they have less than 50 K in cap

space. So some's going to give theirs. And there's one of the few teams, because we've talked about this today, one of the few teams that is facing a legitimate cap crunch where they're gonna have to move some guys out. There's just not enough of those teams, unfortunately, where you can pick and choose and find, you know, oh, here's an opportunity to upgrade.

We'll just pluck this guy from that capped out roster. And the price for Jason Robertson is gonna be through the roof. Well, yeah, Robertson, that's maybe not it, but I know like Marchman's a guy. I guess maybe Jamie Ben shakes loose as a guy. I don't know. But Dallas is one of those teams, I guess. I like Robertson, but I love Robertson, in fact. Yeah, Robert, you have to be conscious of of slotting him in.

He's not a perfect player, right? Like he is not a great defensive winger. He is not. He's not a player that can him in. He's not a perfect player, right? Like he is not a great defensive winger. He is not a player that can fit in if you're a retrieval team, right? Like he's not a guy I don't think that you'd want on the Florida Panthers or the Carolina Hurricanes or the Rick Tocque at Canucks, right? Especially if you don't have a puck possession center like a JT Miller who's going to just dominate play below the hash marks. That's not how the Canucks are built. That's not a fit for what you want

in terms of how Pedersen plays or how Philip Heidel's gonna play off the rush and on and on. They're kind of not set up to get the best out of a player like Robertson, especially if we assume that Adam Foote's going to have sort of similar stylistic preferences to how talk it played. Right. So, you know, I think there's like

even there, right. It's like, yeah, Robertson would be exactly what the doctor ordered for the Canucks a year ago. Right. But now I like, I think you have to be kind of careful with the fit there, especially if you're paying 80% of the price that Dallas paid for Ranton and in order to land it. Trantzer, you're the best buddy. Thanks for taking the time to do this today. Enjoy game four of the Calder Cup finals tonight. We will be doing this again next week. You as well boys.

Cheers. Thomas Trantzer from the Athletic Vancouver and Canucks stock here on the Halford and Breff show on Sportsnet 650. Public service announcement. Someone texted in other places in Abbotsford, they're gonna be showing the Abbey Canucks games, the Abbey Roadhouse Tap House. The Roadhouse.

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