Halford & Brough in the Morning - The Best Of Halford And Brough 7/12/24

Episode Date: July 12, 2024

Mike & guest host Josh Elliott-Wolfe look back at the previous day in sports, the boys discuss what their all-time Canucks dream teams would be, Josh spits a take too hot even for Mike "Hot Take King" Halford, plus they set up tomorrow's BC Lions matchup versus the undefeated Riders with radio PxP man The Moj.  This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. You're listening to Halford and Brough. Spencer Horwitz lifts one deep right field. Gone! And hit it on out of the ballpark. And a splash hit for Spencer Horwitz. So go ahead and enjoy women's sports like you would any other sport. Because they are sports.

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We are coming to you live from the Kintex studios of beautiful Fairview Slopes in Vancouver. Although I misspoke at the onset of the show, it is not bruv, it's Josh Elliott-Wolfe in for the final day this week. Good morning, Josh. Good morning. A-Dawg, good morning to you.

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Last show of the week. Not like we're counting down the hours. But there's only two hours and 58 minutes left in the show. Aaron Portsline is going to join us at 6.30 from The Athletic in Columbus. Some actual reporting and news coming out of Columbus yesterday. It appears as though their head coaching search has hit a bit of a bump. Todd McClellan, out,

formerly thought to be in, looks like negotiations fell apart there. What is going on in Columbus? Is this the most dysfunctional franchise in the NHL? We'll ask Aaron at 6.30.

Are you excited to talk a little Columbus Blue Jackets at 6.30 in the morning? I mean, super interesting team. Earlier in the week, we put them on our most irrelevant franchise. Two days ago we were like, man,

who would ever want to talk about this team? And now here we are. It's Friday. Two days later. Two days later. Portsline's going to join us at 6.30. 7 o'clock. AJ from AJ's Pizza. You're new here. We've been doing this for the last six, seven months

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is going to join us at 7.05. Dave Hall from Canucks Army at 7.30 to talk a little Canucks prospects. 8 o'clock, it's the Moj. Yes, it's the Moj. Bob Marjanovic to preview the big Lions game on Saturday. The Watermelon Smash against the Saskatchewan Rough Riders. As I mentioned, a $100 gift card to AJ's. And, of course, it's Friday on this show.

That means it's Ask Us Anything Friday. The premise, quite simple. You can ask us about anything. We will do our best to answer it over the next couple of hours. That's what's happening on the program today. Laddie, let's tell everybody what happened. Hey, did you guys see the game last night? No I missed all the action because I was

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Josh, I think for Friday we're going to go rapid fire style. Oh, I'm pumped. For what happened. We're going to start with, we're going to be less pumped now, the Toronto Blue Jays. Look, it's not my fault there were no actual sports last night. All right, it was the ESPYs of the Blue Jays. So we're going to begin with the Blue Jays, who did get a win last night.

Danny Jansen and Spencer Horowitz homered. Gossman, seven strong innings. The Jays beat the San Francisco Giants 5-3 on Thursday. Can we play that Horowitz home run into McCovey Cove? Because Laddie has a cool little anecdote about this home run. Let's hear what it sounded like. Horowitz, not Horowitz, by the way. Not like horror movie.

Don't get Andy to say his name. Spencer Horowitz goes yard. Or you could say it right. Puts it into the drink. Here's what it sounded like yesterday. 5-3 win for the Jays over the Giants on Thursday. What part of the season it is. Spencer Horowitz lifts one deep.

Right field. Gone. And hit it on out of the ballpark. And a splash hit for Spencer Horwitz as that one winds up in McCovey Cove. So who here has been to the Giants stadium? I've wanted to go real bad, but I haven't been. I have been. We sat in the opposite outfield to McCovey Cove,

but it is a very picturesque, it's a lovely ballpark. But McCovey Cove is, for those that are unaware, it's just the body of water right outside the right field porch. And there's a guy by the name of, now, Laddie, take the story over here. There's a guy by the name of McCovey Cove Dave. Correct. And his task is what? He's like, if anyone knows who Zach Hample is, he's the Zach Hample

of the high seas. Do we hate him? We hate him because he has a customized kayak. It's like a speed tank. And he's got a person filming him from land to show how quickly he can get to these balls and knock the other kayaks out of the way and get to them before other people can. I thought you were going to say he was like Dancing Pete or something.

No, this is a much more frustrating version of Dancing Pete. He'll be dancing for hours. So McCovey Cove, and your buddy was also trying to... So on that home run, my buddy and his two friends were right there. They were basically circled around where the ball landed. He came flying in and knocked him. You can watch the video. He knocks him out of the way,

and McCovey Cove Dave is the one that picks it up. I found his Twitter shortly after he passed this along. He thinks he's a big deal. Yeah, he exists. He's like a modern-day pirate, but specifically just for catching baseball. He's a kayak. Yar, that ball is mine.

So it was interesting because Toronto's Kevin Kiermaier had a good game yesterday. He had a couple hits. He made a nice diving catch in center field. And the Blue Jays rewarded him after the game by telling him he had been placed on waivers. Not even after the game. The report came out while the game was going on. So I did not realize this, but MLB waivers, I guess, work a little differently than nhl waivers and they're not made

publicly available like there's not a list that comes out at 9 a.m courtesy of elliot friedman where it's like the following guy might be laid off well there's also a point in the mlb season where almost every player gets put on waivers right and i know they've tweaked the trading rules in the last couple years but you used to be able to make trades after the deadline essentially if somebody had cleared waivers so it's a bit of a different process in baseball right so during the game some dude from the new york post broke the news that kiermeyer was going to be put on waivers and then john schneider had to call him in to his office after the game and be like hey the two hits in the diving catch that was great unfortunately you've been placed on waivers and everybody

knows about it because the new york post broke it i'll ask both of our Blue Jays fans, Josh and Laddie, does this matter at all? Is this a nice thing for Kiermaier to maybe join a contender? What do I need to know about this? He's been pretty bad. Right. So it'll be, I don't know, I could see it being difficult, I guess, for a team to want him.

Though also he plays good defense. For a playoff team, he could be on the bench and you put him in late in the game, whatever. So I guess it could be a nice thing for him, but also the Jays are probably just like, oh, you're not doing much here, so I guess we'll do this. You can try and do less somewhere else. Is that it, Laddie?

Yeah, it's basically what Josh said. It hasn't been a great season for him. I'm sure he'd love to be a fourth outfielder on a championship team with intentions of going to the playoffs and the Jays don't seem like they're doing that. I don't think he's too broken up about it but the Jays are just hoping somebody takes that salary and gets it off

their hands I think is the key here. So there was some other news in terms of possibly losing your job in Toronto yesterday. This isn't possibly. This is official. MLSE fired Bill Manning. Now a lot of you are probably listening and being like, what does that even mean, Halford? Why are you bringing this up? Well, a couple things.

One, Manning was the president of Toronto FC and the Toronto Argonauts. So of the four entities that MLSE has, right, he was in charge of two of them. Now, the lower tier properties, but still properties nonetheless. And Manning was largely known for his work with TFC, where he was very hands on. He was the guy in charge of bringing on the Italian contingent, signing Lorenzo Insigne to that massive deal, which has been a complete disaster. Since he's been in charge, they had some good times early in his tenure, but some really bad times. They probably spent as much or more than any MLS team outside of Miami

over the last few seasons, but they haven't made the playoffs since 2020, and they look awful. They've recycled through coaches and everything. Anyway, they got rid of Bill Manning yesterday. So the question is, why does this matter? Well, a lot of people are saying this is the first power move made by Keith Pelley,

who we've talked about a lot on this show. He was hired back in April to be the president and CEO of MLSE. Now, the big thing here is the two big prizes of the MLSE entity in its entirety are the Toronto Raptors and the Toronto Maple Leafs, right? Keith Pelley comes in as the president,

and there's some thought that he might remove the president's role from all of these teams and just have the general managers answer directly to him. So in this case, he's already gotten rid of the presidents of Toronto FC and the Argonauts. That's Bill Manning. What does it mean for Brendan Shanahan and Masai Ujiri? I would be very surprised if Brendan Shanahan and Masai Ujiri were let go.

I mean, especially Ujiri too. Just because the architect of the Raptors championship and everything that kind of went into it, they haven't been that great since, obviously. But that being said, I think there's still a level of trust there. Shanahan, I mean, that one I guess kind of makes more sense. But I'd still be pretty surprised. So they both got a vote of confidence at the end of the season

that they were going to be in place moving forward, right? Pelly came aboard in April. And then after the Maple Leafs and raptor season ended pelly went up there you remember he went up there with brad tree living and um brennan shanahan on a couple of occasions but one in particular to do their end of year media address and everything was going to stay the same i'll just be curious to see if this becomes like sort of the testing ground like let's see what happens with the soccer team and the football team without a president because it becomes crowded at the top, right?

But does it translate as well to like, I feel like, and maybe it's different with TFC, but at least with the Argonauts, I feel like you can get by without a dedicated president there. I also wonder if you can do it at every level, though. If it just becomes, if this is the guy that's the president of all the sports teams, he's going to be like, do we really need presidents

of each individual sports team if I am the ultimate president? Because you got to, I mean, here's the thing. One of the issues with, and we'll just focus on the Leafs here. One of the issues with the Leafs was the understood confusion and lack of clarity

in terms of who was answering to whom, who had to get moves cleared with whom between Kyle Dubas and Brendan Shanahan. Was it Shanahan's team? Was it Dubas' team? Was it the Shana plan? Or was it Dubas the architect? And then ultimately Kyle Dubas left for almost complete control and authority in Pittsburgh, right?

And I do wonder if that happens at the executive level, a stage above, where Keith Pelley is like, I want to make my mark on these teams. I can have, for example, Brad Tree Living answer directly to me. And I guess it depends as well on how on the same page Shanahan and Tree Living are because if Pelley looks at it and he's like, man, you guys aren't clicking at all anyway,

I'll just come in and I'll have Tree Living answer directly to me. And that would make, like, that's the one to me that makes more sense. But also I think you look at it and the Leafs and Raptors are so important to MLSE that I think it makes sense to have an extra level on those two teams. Okay, as I mentioned, we're going rapid fire here and we're just going around everything that happened in sports yesterday. Some interesting news out of utah obviously a very busy off season ahead of

what is going to be their first nhl campaign in salt lake city utah hockey club signed their first ever draft selection it's not just any draft selection it's t jaginla signs an entry-level deal on thursday So he's 17. He's 6'0", nearly 200 pounds. He scored 47 goals with Kelowna last year. I'm going to be very curious to see what Utah does in terms of giving him some rope, both in training camp and maybe at the beginning of the year, because I can almost see it being a minor, easy marketing ploy.

Definitely. Because your first ever draft pick you can put them with josh stone or dylan gunther or other guys that also play for the utah hockey club yes um logan cooley yeah logan cooley clinton keller yeah you know the names um but i i also wonder if they don't want to fall into... I'm trying to think if Arizona did this. They didn't really seem to rush guys, so maybe it isn't an issue in Arizona,

but I wonder if they want to try to run this organization as well as possible without any hiccups and maybe just sending him down to Kelowna to keep his development going might be the smoothest move. Laddie, how familiar are you with him as a prospect? Teach? Yeah. He's pretty good.

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. He's definitely – He's big. He's big? He's 6'200", right? He's got the strength to maybe hang in the NHL for a little while. I wouldn't say the strength is his key to his game right now. It wouldn't knock him out of contention.

No, no, no. He's definitely one of the more electric players that came through the Giants games that we saw. I'll be very curious to see what they do there because there's so many potential marketing players. You could have them on a line with, you mentioned Josh Doan, and they could be like the sons of former NHLers now playing in Utah.

I'm kind of sad he didn't end up in Calgary, though, to be honest with you. I think Calgary fans are, too. Yeah. It was a pretty natural fit. He was only a couple picks away. There is something to be said for him being the first draft pick in Utah. And they're very high.

The quote from Bill Armstrong was, we have lots of 20-goal scores. This guy's a 50-goal scorer. So they've already got pretty high expectations. And if we're being honest, he's the shiny new toy. The marketing purposes, it's great because he's a known name. Even toy the marketing purposes it's great because he's a known name even though Utah

very fresh hockey market I'm sure they know the Aginla name speaking of not so fresh hockey markets what a segue

the Carolina Hurricanes it's pretty interesting because Rob Brindamore was speaking this week as they were going through their development camp and he had some very pointed comments about the direction of the club.

For those that missed in the offseason, they had a lot of departures, which we'll get into in a sec. But Rod Brindamore spoke very candidly at their development camp, saying, quote, You get attached to the guys, especially when we've had them for a long time. It was hard. I'll be honest. It was hard to watch guys walk out of here.

I had a lot of tough phone calls this summer. I haven't really had too many of those in the past. We have good players and teams will pay them, and we can't pay everybody. So if you're wondering what he's talking about, the departures are as follows. The one that hurt the most might have been Jake Gensel. Yes.

They made the biggest push, not just to get him, obviously, the deadline, but they made a huge push to try and keep him in Carolina. It didn't happen. And then he, of course, went to the Tampa Bay Lightning. Tevo Taravainen, gone. Stefan Nason, gone. On defense, they lost their entire second pair.

Brady Shea signed in Nashville. Brett Pesci signed in New Jersey. That was the team's second pair. didn't realize this for four consecutive seasons those guys played together so that was a good old trusty pair that they had in Carolina and now they're gone and adding to that I think the unspoken part from Brindamore is that they did not really

add an awful lot in free agency it was really just Sean Walker and Shane Gostisbert two defensemen to replace the guys. Jack Roslevic get pumped. Goss two defensemen Jack Roslevic get pumped well don't forget about Jack Roslevic of course and then they re-signed some of their pending UFAs Martinuk, Chatfield and of course the big deal was to Jacob Slavin

here's the question as we say why does this matter very curious to see if this team is going to take a significant step back in part because of the guys they lost, but also they set the bar so high the last few years. The last three years, you could pencil them in for 50-plus wins and 110-plus points.

I wonder if those totals are going to get knocked back a peg or two this season. The Hurricanes are such a frustrating team to me because they always feel like they know what they're doing or they think they know what they're doing and they stick to a very rigid plan and then it hasn't worked. And this was kind of the first year where they deferred from the plan a little bit by trading for Jake Gensel because usually they don't trade for these guys and they're just like, we're going to figure it out in the playoffs and then they don't. But they trade for or they trade for jay cancel and

it worked and then he leaves and now you look at their team they have 11 million in cap space but they still have three pending rfas and uh natchez jack jury seth jarvis who are all pretty important to the team that need to be signed for next season so there isn't really room for them to grow i guess or or even add a bigger piece on top of this so i don't know they're they're a frustrating team to me and if i was rod brendamore i'd be pretty frustrated too because you're coaching this team and and people around the league consider you one of the best coaches in the NHL, and they rarely spend, they rarely bring in big name guys, and they have a lot of trouble

keeping a lot of their players as well. Okay, on the subject of coaching, we turn our attention now to the Canadian men's national soccer team. Why, you might ask? Well, the U.S. fired its manager, Greg Berhalter, two days ago. We actually didn't mention it on our show,

in part because we had a million other things on the go, but also in part because we wanted to see what happened with the new Canadian soccer manager, Jesse Marsh. For those that are unaware, Jesse Marsh is American. Jesse Marsh played for the U.S. men's national team. He was capped twice he's been involved in numerous coaching levels in u.s soccer and at one time actually interviewed for the job until the u.s soccer federation decided to give it back to great barrel sounds like somebody that

would be up for the job sure does so I started asking around and texting around being like, Hey, did the U S get rid of bear halter with an eye on Marsh? Because not only would they be able to get a coach that wanted to be there and it interviewed for before it was very close to the program. They'd also get to send a death blow to soccer in Canada by doing so. Well, Canada soccer released a statement yesterday to the Canadian press, a very short, dare I say, terse statement, Well, Canada Soccer released a statement yesterday to the Canadian press.

A very short, dare I say, terse statement. Just getting it out in the open. Quote, Jesse Marsh is not considering nor interested in the position at U.S. Soccer. He is completely focused on Canada. I did reach out to a couple other people who kind of said there's not much to it marsh actually has some ill will towards the u.s soccer federation dating back to when he was interviewed i found some very interesting audio he was on a podcast uh sort of u.s soccer based podcast back in may right after he took the canada job and apropos of nothing he brought up the interview process that he went through with u.s soccer uh and had some very critical remarks about how he was treated.

Here's what that sounded like back from May. Listen, I obviously growing up in the U.S. and contributing and playing for the national team, playing for the youth national teams, coaching at the World Cup with the U.S. national team. My respect for U.S. soccer is big, but I went through a process with them, right? And I don't, I'm not going to go into it, but I wasn't treated very well in the process. And so whatever, man, that's in the past now. And now I'm fully focused. I was, the minute it was done, I was like, okay, I'm moving forward and I'm going to figure out what's right for me. And that, and again, it motivated me again to find the right people. And so now I want to talk about Canada because I'm excited.

I feel like it's a fan base and a player pool and a nation that resonates with me. So it sounds as though a lot of people are passing on the U.S. men's national team job. There were multiple reports, including one from The Athletic, that they aimed high. Aimed high, Willis. They went and reached for Jurgen Klopp, the former Liverpool manager. Heard of him. Yeah, and he quickly declined.

He said, no, thank you. I'm taking a break. And even if I wasn't taking a break, I'm not sure I'd want that job. Sounded like they were trying a couple other high-profile individuals. Now it sounds like it might be Steve Tarundalo, who is the manager at LAFC. He had a very weird press conference yesterday where they asked him about the U.S. men's national team job.

He didn't play it off at all? He tap-danced around it about as poorly as one can tap-dance. It's like he had never taken a tap-dance lesson in his life, but he tried to tap-dance anyway. So there, what an action-packed what happened, Josh. We really got through a lot there. Proud of us. Yeah, first 24 minutes of the show, we got through a lot.

You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough. Can you name the best Canucks starting lineup currently, but you have to have each six players, all six players come from six different countries. Which sounds easy, but then it's not as easy as you might think. You can't use the United States of America flippantly because there's so many Americans.

Like the Canucks do. Yeah, there's so many good Americans. So we kind of exchanged notes prior to the show on this one, Josh and I. And we both came to the same decision that you got to start Artur Szilovs in net. Yeah, if you have a Latvian guy, you got to throw him in there. Yeah, so Artur Szilovs is going to be our Latvian representative, and he'll be in net. I think you understand where we're going with this. You're nodding along.

I hate saying this, but you can't waste usa in net now what's the challenge here you have to have a different country best connect starting lineup but all six have to come from different countries for current you could use up belarus and go with tolopilo you could or you could use our but you have to have the best lineup. Yeah. Not just a lineup. Fair point. Then I thought, hey, perfect defensive pair. Quinn Hughes representing the United States of America. And Filip Hronik. Czechia.

There you go. And that's like, that's kind of a layup. Right. So right now we've got Latvia, U.S. and the Czechia. Sorry, almost called the Czechoslovakia. Oh my, going way back in time. I'm going in the wrong direction. So, Silovs, Hughes, Hronik, who are your three forwards, Josh?

So, I had Elias Pettersson out of Sweden. Yeah, I've heard he's from Sweden. And, yeah, you also, so there's not a lot of Canadian options on the Canucks. I don't know if the text box has told you guys about this. I have been told from time to time for a certain section of texters that the Canucks lack Canadians. Yes. Specifically Western Canadians.

But they just signed one, Jake DeBrusque. There you go. So I have him in the forward group and then I put Pugh Suter in there as well. Really thought you were going with Dan Heinen there for a second. He did merit consideration as one of the few Canadians on the team. I went with

Pod Kolzin, although now I'm thinking that I should have gone with Suter. So that would have been Latvia, US, Czech, Sweden, Switzerland, Canada. I went Sweden, Russia, Canada. Now we've got a task for the

listeners here. Try and do one but all time. I do have a submission for it as well to get people started. If you don't mind. No, no, no. You did extra work. Way to go, no. You did extra work. I did.

Way to go, Josh. I did slightly above bare minimum. Nice. So here's what I had. Okay. Roberto Luongo in net. Okay, so that's Canadian. Canada tick.

Quinn Hughes on defense. America's out. Yes. And then right side of defense, I was going back and forth between Sammy Salo or Filip Hronik. Okay. Or Jurke Lume. Fin, Czech, Swede.

So those are... What are you going to go with for the purposes of this exercise? I think I'm going to go with Salo. Yeah. Just because it's fun. Yep. And then up front, Elias Pettersson again to have the Swede. Pavel Bure.

Russia. Russia. And then I put Pavel Dimitra, Slovakia, on the other wing. Because it's kind of hard to find the other option, and maybe someone could make a better roster, was having an American up front and having someone like Christian Ehrhoff on defense. And then you could get JT Miller. Yes, exactly.

Very interesting. Okay. So you'd pick PD over Henrik Sedin? Am I understanding this exercise correctly? Yes. All time? Yeah. Really? You would?

Just like if I was to put a center with Pavel Bure, I think Pedersen, not that Sedin, like Henrik Sedin. Over Henrik? Henrik would work well, but I think Pedersen not that like Henrik over Henrik Henrik would work well but I think Pedersen might work a little better I know you can't be wrong

in the systems but you're wrong it should be it should be Henrik Sedin I would say Henrik over Medias I mean I don't I understand where he's going

you can't just have one Sedin brother that's kind of my thing too he's got all their power no you can you can I just think Henrik's good enough

that he would still be like... On the occasion that one got injured. Henrik would decline. He'd be like, nope, not without my brother. They were more than confident to be able to do it. Hot take, I guess. I think if we're going just on upside of talent alone, at least Pettersson.

Hey, maybe by the end of Petey's career, you're proven correct, right? It's not to say it's the wrong answer necessarily, but I think a lot of people are raging at their radio. Could you imagine Henrik and Burry on the same power play, though? Well, we've had these before where we've done these sort of like mythical era bending type, you know, this era and that era, mixing them all together.

And the permutations have always been either, well, imagine if Petey had Burry on his line, or imagine if the Sedins were playing with Burry. I mean, that's the ultimate, right? Because even though I think that the styles might not be super congruent, because Burry was such a speedster, and it would almost be like,

just get the puck in his hands and let him do his thing. The idea of like, if we're doing like the fantasy draft type thing, that would be it. Right. On the heels of that. Cause I just mentioned JT Miller. Someone threw in a really interesting one.

Where do Hughes and Miller rank already among all time Canucks? Now, some of you will scoff and you'll be like, you can't have this conversation already. These guys are still actively playing. You don't have the end chapter of their career you can't do his rank all-time Canucks just hold on you can't do a retrospective when a guy's slack to be playing I mean you can very much disagree with Hughes but you need to set

parameters on this first right if you're here's what we'll do for the sake of making this argument and conversation super easy to do for the sake of argument let's say that there's a top five that you've got a crack and I think it's easy to identify the top five Canucks of all time. Sadeen, Sadeen, Buray, Linden, Naslund.

That seems pretty okay. Like you can maybe argue with some of them, but I think for a baseline of what you need to crack to be a top five Canuck of all time, that's the top five. I think so. That's fair. Adog, you're willing to go along with that?

I guess. Why? I mean, I might be. You just want to be different why are you being difficult i would potentially put hughes over now no no they're trying to crack that top five yeah no this is where you say quinn hughes could jt miller could but that's yeah that's the top five that is as it exists okay sure um chooses an easy top five if that's the case. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I would put Naslund out and put him in. I might even take Linden out and put Hughes in.

I definitely would. Yeah, you definitely would. I mean, you're talking about on skill alone, obviously. Yeah. No, you're talking about everything. It's top five Canucks, not top five players for the Canucks. I mean, that's the fundamental difference. still think everything into account greatest defenseman in franchise history is like he's in the top five without question um if you want to start knocking

people out of the top five and putting people in okay then you can have that debate with quinn hughes is in for sure miller is the way more interesting one yeah it's it's difficult because it's i don't even he he hasn't he's been a main guy but he hasn't been the main guy if that makes sense like is he going to be the player that defines this era probably not like it's probably going to be quinn hughes i would probably even give elias petterson a better chance but he he's still in the category of you're not as good of a team nearly without him. I think by the end of his time in Vancouver, he's clearly a top 10 Canuck. Interesting.

Okay. I'm with you on that. I'm not putting him top five. I feel like he has the most interesting potential trajectory, if that makes sense. I think we know what Hughes is and what he'll continue to be. He's the captain of the team. He's the best defenseman in franchise history.

You're talking about JT Miller's interesting trajectory? Yeah, I mean, you've got to see how that contract ends, right? You've got to see how he looks at the bottom half of it. I mean, you hope that he continues to play. Here's the thing. JT Miller would probably be the captain on a lot of other NHL teams if he was on a different team yeah he would probably be the captain because I think he's the emotional heartbeat of this team he's just not the guy that wears the C because the C belongs to the best player and the best player is Quinn Hughes but there's a certain something that Miller has

and right now I'd say like his trajectory for some people, would be like he could be, to the organization, what Ryan Kessler was over his 10 years as a Vancouver Canuck. You got to remember that although he's played slightly more games as a Canuck, he still spent more time as a Ranger than he has as a Canuck Miller. Which is wild. Yeah. I mean, he played less games because he was younger and breaking into the league, but he was six years a Ranger, five years a Canuck.

His resume, as it stands right now is pretty impressive. He's finished like top 20 in heart voting three times. He's one of only seven Canucks all time to have 100 points. By the time next season ends, assuming he's healthy, he's also going to be potentially top 7 or 8 all-time in points for the Canucks. But the question is, would he get into that very rarefied air with Daniel Sedin, Henrik Sedin,

Pavel Bure, Quinn Hughes, and then it would be probably Trevor Linden. We'd bump Naslin. And that's tough to crack, because those guys all have very compelling cases as to why they're some of the best Canucks of all time I think he's going to end up like you said probably like a top 10 guy guy that's very fondly remembered but just won't be in those upper reaches now that being said the reason I said he's got the most potentially interesting trajectory is there's

so much time still well that's what I was saying like top 10 maybe but you gotta see how it ends like I would you won't know until it's over kind of thing. If you make a cup final or win a cup in that time, that changes things quite a bit. It changes everything. It changes everything. Especially if he's still this level of Miller while that happens. Yeah.

Because one thing that I'll say, and Bruff's done the mea culpa on this as well, is he has defied a lot of our thoughts expectations assumptions about a guy getting that big of a contract getting that close to 30 right he the first the first couple years so far have been very good very good and he really has turned a page in a lot of ways and i do think that the you know the influence of rick talk it has helped in a major way and he's going to be a major contributor. But, again, the question becomes for how long.

We already went through the Dream Canucks lineup where you have to have all six positions filled by six different nationalities. We've done that one. We figured out that Josh thinks that the Sedins aren't very good. Okay. Hold on. You know what? Hold on. You know what?

We got four minutes left until the segment's done. Let's go ahead and crucify Josh right now. Well, the inbox has already started. In the conversation about filling out a roster where you have to pick a guy from each nationality, it was interesting that Josh went with Sweden's representative at center as Elias Pettersson when Henrik Sedin was very much on the board and eligible to be chosen. And then Adog, curious Adog. He's got a curious mind. He's very

inquisitive. He said, wait a minute. Why did you go with Pedersen over Henrik Sedin? Josh, continue the conversation. I'll tell you. Okay. Hold on. Yeah, exactly. So, Henrik Sedin. That was Josh's response. Yeah. Before we

get too deep into this, I do think Henrik sedin and the sedins in general are the greatest canucks of all time that being said elias petterson is more talented than the sedins were even at their peak better all-around player better numbers probably comparable offensively but i i would still give the edge to to peterson when he's firing on all cylinders and when especially when you look at the numbers six seasons 400 games into their careers daniel sedina had 226 points henrik sed, 221 points. Elias Pettersson, 238 assists. He had 407 points in his first 400 games.

And I know the Sedins were late bloomers. Took them a bit to get going. That being said, I do think as a total overall player, Elias Pettersson is better than Henrik Sedin. So controversial, Yet so brave. So brave. Imagine. So, yeah, we got a text.

Yeah, so wrong. Not well. Imagine two Elias Pettersons. Are two Elias Pettersons better than two Sedins? My counter to the argument would be I don't think that Elias Petterson is on a Hall of Fame trajectory. And that would be the bar. Daniel and Henrik are in the Hall of Fame, and I'm not sure he's trending that way.

My other take is that, and again, the Sedins should be in the Hall of Fame. They wouldn't be if they were individual players. They're twins, and that's crazy, and that's why they're in the Hall of Fame. Well, the twin connection is what got them all those points too, right? They probably wouldn't have scored as much if they didn't have that connection.

Even if they had the same amount of points, I don't think they're in the Hall of Fame if they're not twins. Really? Yeah. Unsurprisingly. There's too many hot takes going on right now. I can't deal with this. Too early in the morning. Josh, what are you doing to me, bud? To be clear, they are amazing.

They're my favorite players of all time. Just to recap, Petey, more talented than Henrik Steen. And part two, the Steens would not be in the Hall of Fame if they were not twins. Josh Elliott-Wolfe, co-hosting. I respect that. There's too many rap horns. We've broken the rap horns.

This is funny, too, because Halford, normally he's the hot take king. And I should note that he never gets the right. He's sweating right now. He's losing his crown. Halford is like one for a 100 for hot Takes and even he is looking at your hot Takes and going like wow this guy is This is a lot right now I will never

Ever extinguish a hot take I want those Flames to burn and where the flames are Burning right now is the Dunbar lumber Text message in basket at 650 650 I'm Gonna save some of the vitriol for the other side of the break. There's several that just say, kick this man off the radio. Well. You know what? I'm going to run.

I waited until Friday to have this take for a reason. I was going to say. It's the mooch. I did not eat four burgers. Yes, it's the mooch. I don't want to go to Winnipeg. Nobody wants to go to Winnipeg. Yes, I love food.

It's the Moch. I went online and kind of did a little surfing. Jim Melania. Yes, it's the Moch. Halpert's fine, but, you know, Brock is just grumpy all the time. 801 on a Friday. Happy Friday, everybody. Halford Brough, Sportsnet 650. Josh Elliott-Wolf in for the vacationing Jason Brough,

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Doesn't he sound like an Oscar winner already? He does. Sure. Hyphenated names are very hot right now. I'm telling you, right there. Yeah. Noted Oscar winner. Thank you. I called him josh shelly a wolf

this morning because i was slurring my words but uh not as not as oscar winner yeah uh how's it going moj how was the hammer oh hammer was fine love hamilton um like i said it's one of those cities that i think um probably gets a bad rap it's very blue color and just a lot of fun i've never had a bad time in the Hammer. I love the Hammer. You tell him, Moj. I'll tell you who had a good time in the Hammer was Vernon Adams Jr.

That was a hell of a first half he put out there. Yeah, I think what it was at 321 yards. It looked like he was going against the offense. It looked like they were going against there for the most part. But, yeah, they played a very good game. They just came out and did what they had to do in the first half. Hamilton put up some passing yards in the second half. I think Bo Levi threw for over 300 as well.

But, I mean, when you look at the numbers, kind of like you break them down, James Butler was the leading receiver. He had 108 yards, I think, and 65 of those were after the catch. I mean, they were just hitting, you know, stuff that the Lions were giving them for the most part in the second half, like stuff on the flats and underneath. So I don't know how concerned I'd be about that. Clearly something they want to clean up,

but I wouldn't be too worried about it. Because, I mean, you look at it statistically in the record and everything else, like it's not just that Vernon Adams is the best quarterback in the CFL right now. There's a pretty decent gap between him and number two, I would say. Curious to get your thoughts on that. Are you talking about Fajardo and Vernon Adams Jr.?

Anyone, really. I mean, who would be the second best quarterback in the CFL right now? I guess it would be Fajardo. Yeah, and you know, the thing is, too, as I kind of broke this down the other day, I was looking at yards after catch, and I watched most of Montreal's games. The percentages of yards after catch heading into this weekend,

50% of Cody Fajardo's passing total was yards after catch. For Vernon Adams Jr., that number was down to 32. So, in other words, it just kind of tells you that, you know, Vernon is throwing the ball a little deeper and obviously not getting as many yak yards as, say, Cody Fajardo, who hits a lot of stuff underneath with Tyson Philpott. You know, it's like a five-yard screen, and Tyson takes the ball and runs for 10 or 15 yards.

So, yeah, you know, Cody Fajardo's had a great year. Unfortunately, he got hurt last night with a hamstring. But I think Vernon Adams Jr. right now is your MOP in the CFL. So the run of Lions opponents that are winless is now over. They're going the other way this weekend. A 4-0 Saskatchewan Rough Riders team, the only undefeated team left in the CFL. What sort of challenge do these riders present as they come into BC Place on Saturday? Well, they're very aggressive on defense.

They've got 14 takeaways, which leads the CFL. So that's going to be a big, big key in tonight's game is ball security for the Lions. And then you look at giveaways. The Lions have, pardon me, the Saskatchewan's only given away the ball four times in four games. So that tells me that, you know, one of the things they do on offense is take care of the football. So that's a plus 10 turnover ratio. That's the best in the league, right? And tonight, the Lions can ill afford to be minus 2 or minus 3 in the turnover department. They have to be at least even or maybe even on the positive side

if they want to win this football game. Familiar face on the Saskatchewan sideline, local guy, Corey Mace. I know you wrote about him for Black Press. What do the folks need to know about the job that he's done getting this team off to 4-0 in Saskatchewan? Well, I mean, one of the things that impresses me about Corey Mace is just his background in the game because a lot of times, I mean, football coaches are probably,

defensive line coaches rarely become head coaches, but Corey Mace has, right? And one of the things that he did, he just always had this thirst for knowledge. When he was a D-line coach, he wanted to learn more about the defense. When he was a defense, he wanted to be a line coach. He learned more about the entire defense.

And when he was running the defense as a coordinator, he wanted to learn more about the entire team. So he's a guy who's always had a thirst for knowledge. And he's a guy who, when he came to Saskatchewan, and all really good coaches do this, whenever they arrive in a new environment or a new team, they'll go to the veterans and they'll say, hey, what is going right? What is going wrong? What do we need to change? And he took a lot of input from guys like Brett Lother or Trevor Harris and such and others.

And as a result, these guys now have an investment. And they feel like they're invested in the team, they have a say in the team, and what we've seen in Saskatchewan's been really amazing. I mean, he's taken a team that struggled last year, and he's turned them into an undefeated team after four weeks. So very well-respected, very well-liked, and a big bonus for the Saskatchewan Roughriders

having him as their head coach. We're speaking to Bob the Moj Marjanovic here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Moj, of course, the play-by-play voice of the BC Lions. Lions host the Riders tomorrow. That's Saturday, 4 o'clock at BC Place. Hey, Moj, here's one for you. Is Sean White ever going to miss a field goal? That's a great question.

It's been a long time. It has. that's a great question yeah it's been a long time it has it's funny because he was on this well this streak this heater and he still is what 32 consecutive field goals and he didn't really want anyone to talk about it until he passed paul mccallum for the number one over or probably the longest consecutive streak for the lion so now he doesn't really care anymore. He's just like, okay, if it happens, it happens. But, I mean, if you want to catch Lewis Ward, he's got a lot of work to do. What was Lewis Ward's 66 or 68 consecutive field goals?

I mean, that's pretty impressive. So, you know, he's had a great run, and you're right. You know the big thing about having a kicker like that? You know that if you get the ball in field goal range, it's three points. And for a team in the game of football, when you have a kicker that can do that, it's such a tremendous boost because the worst thing that can happen in a game is, you know, you're marching the ball and,

you know, you say you stall in the opposing territory and your kicker goes one for four, right? I mean, it just, it just, it just flattens your morale

and that's one thing that sean white does he's just he's money uh lewis ward noted englishman i might add 69 nice consecutive field goals are you on this big english kick now like we don't hear anything about england now they're in the you know the euro finals and everything now is english related well i wanted to turn the conversation to the footy. You had some takes after the Columbia-Uruguay match. I'm on Twitter and I'm seeing Moj getting all upset. The fracas at the end of the match. Go off, Moj.

What upset you so much? Here's the thing. I've never understood this. And this has happened. Okay, like, never mind soccer. Soccer is probably the biggest culprit. But we've seen stories where, you know, a Dodger fan goes to a game or, pardon me, a San Francisco Giants fan goes to a game at Dodger Stadium and, you know, he's assaulted, winds up in a coma.

I mean, we've seen it countless times where fans, and you see it on Twitter all the time, fans getting into fights. It's like, why? It's a game, right? game right prioritize things in your life don't make it so important that if you go to a game and somebody says something about your team you you want to like you know start fighting i just don't understand it i just i really don't i know a lot of it's alcohol fueled and in this instance with what happened with the players going into the stands they don't have any issue lot of it's alcohol fueled and in this instance with what happened with the players going into the stands they don't have any issue with that they're going up there to defend their families and by the way the security there was just i mean it was a joke um but we've seen it

at games too i mean we've seen it here in vancouver we've seen it other places where families of players have been you know insulted or they've had stuff thrown at them or whatever why I just I don't get it I just for the life of me show a little respect to one another right yeah it's it's interesting because you know like you said a big catalyst for what happened at the end of the

Columbia Uruguay match was that there were kids and there were families involved right and and I've often talked about like going to live sporting events and how great it is and everything but we've often paused when it was with especially with the nfl and tailgating culture is that some guys like part of it is great part of it is people having a good time and they're hanging out and there's a community and they're eating and they're drinking and they can behave themselves but then there's that unseemly part of it where it's guys just getting absolutely blotto for six hours prior to kickoff and then going

in the stadium and just being belligerent about it and you're like why would you ever bring a kid around that because it's the behavior's too unpredictable right like that's what happened in this Columbia Uruguay matches you know people were way too unpredictable and that's what led to what led to this being a very dangerous

situation for wives and kids and families yeah and you know what led to this being a very dangerous situation for wives and kids and families. Yeah. And you know, I just, and here's the other thing too about alcohol. I mean, if it continues,

are we going to see what we have in, in Britain? And I went to a game, I watched Tottenham, Tottenham Hotspur at home. And I'm sure you've seen this as well. When you've gone over there, you can't take your beers into the stands.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You have a couple, you know, you might have one or two prior to the start of the match in the concourse area. But once the match starts, look at me saying match. Once the game starts. I love it.

I love it. Once the match starts, you can't take alcohol into the stands, right? And it kind of really controls everything. So hopefully it doesn't get to that stage here. I mean, you'd like to have a beverage while you're watching a game. But, I mean, if it continues down this road, eventually that's where it'll probably wind up. We've got a pivot here.

I wanted to ask you and ask us anything from Mike. He said he just got some chocolate-covered dried mango from Costco. So he is wondering, what is the best snack to cover chocolate in? Oh, wow. Well, I'm starting to work out in an effort to lose weight, and I'm also watching my diet. So anything with chocolate I don't even look at anymore. That's the biggest thing.

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