Halford & Brough in the Morning - The Blue Jays Are ONE. WIN. AWAY.

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

In hour one, Mike & Jason look back at the previous day in sports, they discuss the Blue Jays going up 3-2 in the World Series which now sees them one win away from a championship (3:00), plus the boys try to chat some Canucks, but end up just talking more Jays, and can you blame us? (29:00). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Game five is underway with a flyball to deep left. Gone! The first pitch of the ball game. And another Strikeout. Trey, you savage, strikes out the side. I'm not one to make excuses or anything close to that apart. Yeah, it's pretty unlucky. I think we got the power of friendship. Good morning, Vancouver, 601 on a Thursday. Happy Thursday, everybody.

It is Halford, it is Brough, it is SportsNet 650. We are coming you live from the Kintech Studios and beautiful Fairview Slopes in Vancouver. Jason, good morning. Good morning. Adon, good morning to you. Good morning. Ladi, good morning to you as well.

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Do you feel it, Laddie? Do you feel that power right now in the studio? Oh, I feel it. We're all friends. We're all in a great mood. You're resplendent in your Blue Jays gear yet again. How can I not be? I'm so happy for Laddie.

My team is one win away from winning the World Series. He's on social media like all capsing. The Blue Jays are one win away from the World Series. Pete. See, Lattie, the thing with Lattie is he's always acted like, I always believe in my team. I always support my team. But he never really believed him. Here's the truth. Because, and the reason why I say that is he can't believe they're in this situation right now. I can't. You can't. No, it's true. You definitely can't. I grew up as a fan that never even saw the playoffs. Yeah. To be one win away from a championship. I like it when you say like, this is, this is, this is.

my team doing this. That's my team out there, winning two of three in L.A. against the Dodgers and coming back from that loss in game three that went 100 innings and a lot of people after that game,

heck, before the World Series, they got no chance. After that game three, they're done. Month and a half into the season. You would have asked me, I would have said they'd have no chance. You right now are the Canadian embodiment of the LeBron meme. I can't believe this is my for he's in a pool. You're so happy right now, but you can't believe it.

But it's also a very worrisome time because there's still one win away. I was going to joke. I was going to joke. I was like, this is going to be very disappointing when they lose game six and seven to Lattie. Lattie piling it back just a little bit here. Anyway, I've never been in this situation before. I don't know how to act. In case you have it. That's the double-edged sword, right? I mean, you're teetering on the edge of oblivion and hope. As a Kinnucks fan, let me just warn you, it doesn't always end well. Sometimes it could go bad.

Don't even when you're going home? Hold on, even when you're going back home? It's true. Yeah, yeah. Shockingly. Three two leads, they don't always turn out. Don't get confident. Oh, no.

Okay, in case you haven't figured it out already, there's going to be a lot of Jay's talk on the program today, including our guest lists. 7 o'clock Adnan Verk is going to join the program from MLB Network. As mentioned, the Jays are one win away from winning the World Series. A 6-1 victory over the Dodgers last night moves them to within one victory of their first title since 1993. What a performance from Trey Yassavage.

What a performance from the Jays. We'll talk to Adnan about all that. At 7 a.m. this morning. 7.30, Brady Henderson, our ESPN Seahawks Insider is going to join the program. The Seahawks are back in action. If it feels like a while since the Seahawks have played, that's because it has been a while since the Seahawks have played.

Julian Love had a setback. You see that? I did not see that. Yeah, he did. I forgot that the Seahawks existed briefly for a brief moment in time. And I was like, they didn't play. By the time they kick off.

And by the way, it's a Sunday night, primetime game tonight this weekend. Sunday night football for the Seahawks. It'll be 12 complete days, 12 full days between games for the Seahawks. They will take on the commanders in Washington, Sunday night football.

Seahawks are early two and a half point road favorites in that one. We'll talk to Brady about that and all things Seahawks at 7.30 this morning. 8 o'clock, it's the Drancer, Thomas Drance from Canucks Talk and the Athletic Vancouver. the Canucks are back in action tonight. 5 p.m. Puck drop in St. Louis against the Blues. Quick programming notes for you.

Canucks Central with Sat and Dan begins at 3 o'clock today. They will then follow that with the pregame show from 4 to 5. At 5 o'clock, Batch and Randeep, have the call right here on SportsNet 650. After the game, it'll be Sat and Bick picking up the post game show that'll take you into the late stages of the evening. So a lot of Canucks coverage here is they take. take on the blues. This evening, Drance is going to join us at 8 o'clock to talk about that. A reminder, we got two more giveaways on the program today because we love our listeners so much. Golf Town, $250 gift card. We're going to be doing a giveaway at 7.30 via the phone.

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now and then wait diligently for an hour and a half. 604-280-650. That number again, 604-280-0-650. Lots to get into on the program. Without further ado, Laddie, let's tell everybody what happened. Hey, did you guys see the game last night? No.

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Visit them online at BCCSA.ca.ca. It was another all-world performance from Trey Yassavage last night. He set a World Series rookie record with 12 strikeouts. The Jays opened, as you heard one of them with back-to-back homers and a 6-1 win over the Los Angeles Dodgers put the Jays within one win of their first World Series since 1993. Can we play the final outs from Trey Yassavage in that game yesterday? Because it was not.

It was not a strikeout how he ended things in the 7th. It was a double play. The power of friendship was on display, lad is they whipped the ball around the horn and got Yassavage out of the 7th, capping a scintillating performance in Los Angeles, here's what it sounded like. Three, two to Edmund. Groundball to third to second one, to first for two.

You asked, he delivered, and he is walking off the field with his defense. Unbelievable, unbelievable performance from you Savage in a massive spot. Now has the Jays within one win of the World Series. Okay, at the risk of patting ourselves on the back, a little too much and taking away some of the credit from the Jays. Adnaz on the show in about an hour. And I remember before this series, we were trying to figure out ways that the Jays could win this series.

And we were like, how are they going to do this? And what is a, what is a, what's a key player for them? And the obvious answer would have been, well, Vladdy, Vladdy's got a hit, right? But we both said, like, Tray is Savage. Like, he's kind of, I don't want to say their secret weapon, because I'm sure the Dodgers had heard of him, but he would be the guy that you'd be like, okay, well, maybe there's a reason.

Maybe that's a reason why the Jays could do this because they've got this kid who has amazing stuff and he's just kind of a wild card. Like he's an X factor. You don't know, you don't know what's going to happen. I mean, it's hilarious some of the stats going around. Like, he has 16 regular season strikeouts, 17 World Series strikeouts. Yes.

Right? I mean, we recently lost Ken Dryden. He had a similar story with the Montreal Canadiens, right? It was like, this guy, I was like, who is this guy? He's like, isn't he a college kid or something like that? It comes in and win Stanley Cups or whatever. I mean, sometimes these young players, they just, they got. Nothing's stopping them, right?

There's no physical scar tissue. There's no mental scar tissue. Life hasn't beat you down yet. Life hasn't beaten them down and they're going out there. And you see the absolute joy that Trayas Savage is pitching with. And you see, I think, the joy that he carries himself with. Like, there's no, there's no like, oh, like, maybe I shouldn't do this or maybe I shouldn't do that. He's after the game.

He's talking to all the media. He's waving to all the fans. He's just, he's soaking it in because, again, like life hasn't got to him yet, which is a very cynical way of looking at it. But like, it's true. We've seen this before from young players. And it's, and it's awesome in the moment. You know it won't last forever, but it kind of feels like it will. Yeah, no, that's a good way.

Does that make sense? It's a good way of putting it because you're right. No one's career is just this continual upward trajectory where everything is awesome. Hard to go up from this. But yeah. But it doesn't just keep getting, but that's the Traeus Savage story. It started incredibly high and you're like, well, it can't get any better than this after the way they went out against the Yankees. And they're like, just wait for the World Series.

Watch what he does there. And you're right. Like there will be times where things won't go right. And it'll be harder for him during his crew. But right now, it's funny. I always remember what John Tororella said when he was coaching the Rangers when Chris Crider made his, he made his NFL debut in the playoffs. And he was like, the tough thing about him is he does know what he's doing. But the best thing about him right now is that he doesn't know what he's doing because he's too naive and too inexperienced to understand the magnitude of the moment.

He's just going out and doing stuff. Like he savaged yesterday. He joked that it's going to be awesome when his playoff check hits his bank account. Because I think his actual MLB, I know he's making a ton of money, but his MLB salary this year is like $57,000. He's got a nice cushy little $4.2 million signing bonus to fall back. But he's like, yeah, when that check hits, that's going to be sweet. I'm like, there's a guy that is just taking it all in and realizing things as they happen. He's like, whoa, I'm going to get paid now.

This is great. Like, I'm in the World Series. He's all over the World Series record book now, which is wild, right? We mentioned most strikeouts by a rookie broke a record that was there since 1949. No pitcher, consider this for a second. No pitcher in the history of all of the World Series, all of them, has ever had a game where they struck out 12 and walked to zero until yesterday when Treyia Savage did it. It is, we're not talking about a really good performance by a rookie or, you know,

oh, he did really well considering the circumstances. Like, we are talking about the greats of the game that have gone to the pinnacle did not do what he did yesterday. And he did it against a Dodgers team that's the reigning World Series champions and has $900 billion in that lineup. At Dodger Stadium. At Dodgers Stadium. So, yeah, I'm trying to contextualize.

what the opposite of Trey Savage is right now? Mookie Betts. Like, there's the old guy. He's at, he's at the end. He's at the end and he can't hit right now. He's banged up. He's completely lost. He's got to be. I don't know, man. Why do they still have him batting second or

third and, they moved him down? They moved him to what? Third? You're going to put out of call up there? Like, what are you going to do? Yeah. They move, okay, so right now, um, the top four Dodgers hitters during the regular season, Otani, Smith, Betts, and Freeman

went one for 15 yesterday with eight strikeouts. And Betts has been a nightmare. He's one of four regulars in that lineup that's batting under 200 in the World Series. Like I'm not saying

you got to take him out of the lineup, but like he keeps coming up in fairly key situations, right? Yeah. I mean, well, we joked about the Otani intentional walks. We're like, what's Mooky thinking? I'm like, you would think a player

of his caliber would be pissed off and like, I'm going to make these guys pay. But it is not happened at all. If they literally do anything, those part of the order, like this is a completely different series. Yes. Totally different series. It is funny though. Like even just like the pictures of them on the bench,

like you got you savage like flowing hair and then you look over to Mookie and he's like he doesn't really have his hair anymore. He's just like, uh, kid enjoy it while you can. This kid will eat you live. And it is. It is eating them alive right now.

I like of all the things and I know what we're going to get into Like, of all the things that we didn't see coming, of all the things that I did not see coming in this series, one was the Jay's ability to get after the starting pitching as effectively as they have. I thought if there was a weakness, it was going to be the Dodgers bullpen. I did not think it was going to be the Dodgers starters, but the bats going completely silent. I did not have that on the bingo card. By the way, on the subject of getting after the starters, one of the biggest developments in this series was their ability to get after.

one guy in particular, Blake Snell. Like, I don't know how many people listening right now paid attention to what Snell did prior to the World Series, but he was borderline unhittable. He pitched better than Yamamoto in the lead-up to the World Series. I believe his ERA was 0.86 going into this. And if you want to talk about history and going back to the legends of the game,

that game that he had against the Brewers in the NLCS, where he pitched eight shoutout endings and struck out and faced the minimum batters. He was the first guy to do that since Don Larson in 1956, so Snell had been unbelievable. And I remember thinking, okay, if they're going to get to someone in this series,

I kind of had like maybe Glassnell will be the guy. I kind of went after I saw Yamamoto pitch at first game, they're not hitting him, forget that. And I still think like that's going to be a tough task in Toronto in Game 6. Wasn't too sure about Otani, but the way that he finished against Milwaukee, I'm like,

that doesn't seem like a likely task. ask either. And then Snell, I'm like, forget about it. Snell is, he's very difficult to hit. They have roughed up Blake Snell. Ruffed him up. Can they get to, because Snell's done. Snell's done, finish. We're finished. He's not going to pitch anymore. Unless they go to

Game 7. Can they get to Yamamoto? I don't know. Because I actually did, I did have this thought. I'm like, the way that Yamamoto's pitching, do you really want to put Gossman out against him? What if you know? Who, okay, well, who's game 7 starter right now?

Scherzer. Scherzer? With everyone Which is amazing. With everyone With everyone behind them, right, yeah. Everyone's on deck.

Yes. Like you said, I understand. No, I know. Now might not be done. You said, Game 7 and everything goes.

Yeah. But right now, it would be gossiping game 6, Scherzer game 7. If they were to follow the pattern. Right. But at that being said, the first sign of trouble,

you're out and someone's coming in in game 7. It would be a, I mean, can you imagine if it goes to game 7 and Scherzer gets the start? I mean, what an incredible story. And actually, this is a good time to go back on this because I think, I don't know if I'm calling the Blue Jays a Cinderella, but I think they're on a magical run, right?

We can say they're on a magical run. They were the decided underdogs coming into this World Series for sure. Let's look back at, and Lattie, I want to involve you in this. How did the Js start their season? Like, how did they look at the... Well, they won the spring train. award, whatever you can sign, the golden grapefruit, I think they call it. Let's not go quite that far back.

But like, how do they look, you know, halfway through the season? What were you thinking? Well, the halfway point, they were just starting to pick things up, right? Because they had the first month and the half of nothingness. Yeah, it was basically in late June where they started to catch on fire. But let's go to June 19th. They were 40 and 34. Actually, they were 40 and 35 June 20th.

and they had just lost 7-1 to the Chicago White Sox. You know, then they went on their run where they really got hot and the playoffs, certainly the playoffs looked likely. Like, that was going to happen. Yep. Okay. But I want to fast forward a little bit to September, let's call it September 24th.

Okay, because this is when John Schneider made his famous speech about, you know, I don't want the guys to act like the sky is falling because it's F and not, right? But it wasn't looking good because the Jays had lost six of seven and it wasn't looking like they were going to win the, like they were blowing the division. Let's put it that way, right? And they needed to win their last four games of the regular season

because the Yankees had caught fire to win the division. otherwise they wouldn't have gotten that first round by okay so that's that's resilience right there right you know you lose six of seven everyone's like ah classic blue jays they do this all the time they're a bunch of chokers this is this is what they are they're not a serious ball team Vladdy didn't look good at that time and they get it done by the way with something help from trade you savage who on the second to last day had a very good performance against the race so

they get in and they get their first round by okay and then they have that amazing start against the Yankees they win the first two games but then they go to Yankee stadiums everyone's kind of like okay well what's going to be like a Yankee stadium game three happens and

with that home run by Aaron Judge I think a lot of people thought ooh the Jays could be in trouble because remember who was slated to start game four nobody because it was a bullpen game game. And all of a sudden, you know, the Yankees were favorites in that series. The Yankees

were the favorites to go to the World Series because of the way, because of how much talent they've got and how much, uh, and how well they finished the season, right? You look at their run differential. It was way superior to the Jays. And then they come up with that incredible bullpen game. And afterwards, we're all like, yeah, they are a pretty good team. So they take care of the Yankees, right? And meanwhile, uh, the Mariners have their head. And they're hands full with Detroit and they go five and, you know, that last game goes 15 innings and you're like, okay, well, you know, the Jay's got the Mariners here. But then things don't go their way in games one and two. And they're down two nothing to the Mariners going to Seattle.

And that's when I jinxed Martinago. I sent him, you know, our friend Mike Martinago used to be our old producer. I sent them, I'm like, man, the Mariners are going to the World Series. Big Mariners fan. And, you know, well, the Jays didn't get that memo because they won the next two games. But remember, that wasn't the only, like, dicey part of that Seattle series because game five, after game five, everyone was ready to fire John Schneider

because of the decision that he made to bring in little. They lose that game, and all of a sudden, they're one game away from elimination. They got to win game six and seven in Toronto and the mood of the fan base was once again like the sky has fallen

you know and John Schneider would have to come out and say well tough and not they were ready to fire John Schneider they were I was reading a lot of takes

from the Toronto media and after that decision to bring in little it was if the Js loses they have to fire John Schneider I remember a lot of them were like if the Jays

lose this because they knew what they were doing right they were like they're like disclaimer on it. It was still. They weren't right away just like the Jays are going to have to fire. They were like, if they lose this. And of course they didn't. Another great performance from Tray Savage helps them dispatch the Mariners. And then, you know, we're going to, and then the World Series. Like, I'm not going to go through all the ups and downs of the World Series. But,

you know, after they lost that game three, it was just such a heartbreaker, the way they lost it. And I know a lot of people were like, well, you know, a lot of the Js starters left that game because he looked at what they had going for them, the 16th, 17th, 18th inning or whatever. And it was like, yeah, well, I hope the Js starters left the game because this isn't much. And they were thinking, well, maybe they're going to be fresh for games four and five.

And I don't know if that had any factor. But look, the Jays are now one win away from the World Series. And I think to look back on all the times that things looked, not over but dire, just shows you the resilience of this team and why, you know, they are a likable team and it's why you still hear Buck Martinez and Dan Shulman saying, like, I don't think this Jay's team got respect all year. Nobody noticed what they were doing, but people are noticing now that this is a true team. Yeah, and part of that, part of that chip on their shoulder, I think has fueled them to a certain

degree, but we are a team of uncommon men and the power of friendship. Now, the funny thing is, Ladi and I have talked about this during the year, there were a lot of times in the face of resiliency, like what you're talking about, Brough, where the Jays, when asked, like, what's going to get you through this, their answer, and I'll paraphrase, but it's basically vibes, right? They were like, it's just the group, the togetherness, the camaraderie, the chemistry. Belief, belief.

I think you look at the makeup of the group, too, and I was doing a lot of comparisons, as a lot of people have, to the 92, 93 teams. And they had, like, six, seven war player, Ulru, Alamar. they don't have that on this team. Their highest war players, 4.8. George Springer. And he's not even in the last two games. So it's like, where is this all coming from?

And it has to be just the power of the collective, the group. Right. But the thing is, it's hard for the outsider to buy into that because you're not really understanding. You're like, well, what makes your group that much different than the other groups, right? Like, come on. You all go on the bird together and slam some beers. Like, we all get it.

But what really makes it different? And the answer is, the proof is in the pudding. Like every time this team gets smacked in the face or gets knocked down a peg or two, they always have the ability to get back up and not just get back up to where they were, but raise their game a little bit.

The Springer thing is a great example. Springer goes down. You could make the argument that he's their regular season MVP and he's been one of their, I mean, he's not their most important playing. Set them to the World Series. But also send them to the World Series with the Springer Dinger. He goes down.

They don't even blink. David Schneider steps in as the leadoff hitter yesterday. What was he due? Goes yard on the first pitch. We haven't even really mentioned how that game started. Springer did help him, by the way. Even though he wasn't in the lineup, he told Schneier to sit fastball. Right.

And he's like third all time and lead off Homer. I guess you listen to a guy when he tells you that. And Springer's bit, he's jumped on first pitches this year, right? But I mean, of course, the thing is that George Springer was not there. His understudy, if you will, a replacement was in there doing it. But they just don't, it's a very unique team because they just don't seem to get really rattled by anything. The 18-inning loss.

I remember thinking at the end of that, I'm not sure what you predict after that because it's such a unique situation and there's no blueprint for how you survive an 18- inning game when you have to play 17 hours later. But in hindsight, it seems like that game

and the length of it and the amount of energy that it took affected the Dodgers way more than it affected the Jays. I heard some people opining that it's like the Dodgers are an older team and they expended some of their regulars more. but I just think it's that they didn't know how to deal with the aftermath

whereas the Jays did because the Jays didn't blink like good bad or otherwise they're like we're going to play baseball tomorrow and it doesn't really matter and the Dodgers after that have gone stone cold and I don't know if it's the baseball gods or if it's chemistry or if it's the room or whatever but or they're just setting up an incredible comeback

right and it's all of this is going to be playing the back of our minds we realize we're throwing a lot of roses at the Jays and they deserve it I don't Even if they don't win this series Nobody thought they'd be in this position They deserve it But Bo Bouchette said it

Said it right after the game He's like, job isn't done yet And Halloween Sorry, sorry Rosie It's canceled Yeah What having a Halloween

Trick or treating is just going to be like Dad's running into each other Watching on their phones Alright just be polite remember Only one candy All right, I don't care, whatever This is risky me putting this out there into the ether, but I'm going to do it anyway.

I really want a game seven. I really want a game seven. I see it trending in that direction. I know that everyone, and I'm trying to temper the enthusiasm that we're having for the Jays right now with a little bit of reality. You know, it was okay when you did this with the Oilers and the Panthers or whatever. Like, I want it over.

Hey, relax, bro. However it ends with the Jays winning. The Blue Jays are historically 2 and 0 in Game 6 is in the World Series. So just relax. Game 7 at home on a Saturday night. I mean, you are... You are talking theater.

Okay. Absolute cinema. I could do without it. Yeah. If that would be awesome, like I know what you're saying. A fan of sport. You know what? I think a lot of Jays fans are like, I'm a fan of the Jays, and I would like them to win that.

I don't think anyone was like, you know, that Joe Carter home run was a little disappointing because it was in game six. But that's retroactively. I'm just looking ahead. That's all. And I'm just putting it out there. okay maybe maybe sometimes you can get a little greedy no it's not greed it's a hundred percent greed it's just stepping back from the ledge a little bit and saying like hey i know the jays

are rolling right now if you're casual observer i understand being like yeah game seven would be awesome but if you're jays fan you're nuts to say like no no that's take this to seven no one that's that's that's like that's like dance with the devil man you know what i don't really want to beat tampa babe to win the stand like up i'd rather an original six team like the brew Go Bruins in game 7 They should lose this once they can win it at home By the way, kids that show up in full Jay's gear at the Halloween candy at the door

Full candy bars for you You're just getting into our bowl and it's out there You're getting the full size candy bar Nice, okay We'll dip into the Dunbar Limer text line And we'll also set up tonight's Canucks game Yep, they're still playing On the other side of the Halford Inbrough show

On Sportsnet 650 Canucks Talk with Jamie Dodd and Thomas Drans We'll dive deep into all that's happening with the Vancouver Canucks. Listen 12 to 2 p.m. on SportsNet 650 or wherever you get your podcast. First pitch of the game, 97 fastball up and then. Which is a lot. On the first pitch of game five. It's just unlucky, yeah.

636 on a Thursday. It's a thrash Thursday here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. it was David Schneider's dad that was filming it and then I realized later that he was filming it on his meta glasses and did you see that? Oh, is that what that was? So Davis Schneider after the game was like, yeah,

he's always wearing these glasses, they look ridiculous. Yeah, because I watched the video. I watched the video and I was like, what an odd angle. I mean, I've seen enough phone videos before to know that was a little bit different. I didn't oh wow, meta glasses. Yeah, you got called out by his own kid. Yeah, that's fair. It's pretty funny.

So David Schneider hit the home run off, Blake Snell, who we just heard coming back from break. Wasn't exactly owning up the moment there. I just got unlucky. Oh, Blake Snell. Yeah, you know, you just tossed those meatballs up into the zone and just got unlucky. Start the game.

So they've tagged him for seven home runs in this series. It's five in the first game, two last night. Just a really impressive performance. Two out of the first three pitches of the game were just unlucky. What are the odds? Great start. Great start to the game. And, I mean, you heard...

Same luck that Matt Murray had against Brock Besser, I guess. That's right. That's right. Oh, wow. Nice pull. That's a deep cut, wasn't it? The deep cut. Deep cut. Here's a question.

Now that I was thinking about this either night. Back when Brock Besser was the Trey Savage of the Canucks. Very, another, that's very, very accurate, actually. When Brock came to the team who shot out of a cannon as a rookie. By the way, now we're on the subject. Can anyone tell... You might know, because you're a goalie guru. Can anybody tell me where Matt Murray, the goalie...

The goalie currently plays hockey. Seattle Crack. Yeah. You got a game the other day. They're doing the three-goly, three-headed goalie monster rotation. Eddie Olchick was not happy. Yeah, Edzo went on the air and blasted the team from here.

I agree with them. But they're doing well this year. Why is Broubauer still there? I don't know. Okay. We're classic Halford and Brough. We're all over the place. Let's focus here.

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Yeah, also on Saturday. Crazy sports set. Focus. We are an hour one. See, do you remember this guy? Oh, yeah. Do you want a game seven on the same day as the white caps play? Kind of.

Hey. Kind of. It's packed. Probably should pack it in in game six. I mean, yeah. I don't know. I'm going to reserve the right to enjoy that one privately. And I won't mention it again on the radio.

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They host the stamps 230 they understood the assignment They're like we'll kick off early You can come here, you can do whatever you want afterwards but we're starting at 2.30 I actually just want to, are you done with all your business now? I do want to mention that the Leafs played last night I know those guys

and it was hilarious because they got they got blasted by Columbus it was 6-1 at one point it ended 6-3 the shots were actually in favor of the Leafs but if you look at the goals that Columbus scored there was a lot of like

big-time breakdowns by the Leafs and you know it was high danger chances that were going in and I was just thinking I was thinking back to the Raptors year 2019 when they won and how remember we used the word juxtaposition a lot like you had

here's the raptors who win big games I mean most famously the game seven against Philly when Kauai makes the big shot right and you had well Kauai at the time but also you know Kyle Lowry was kind of the heartbeat of the team and he was would you say a heart and soul player yeah Fred Van Bleet remember undrafted Freddie

stepping up and making all these big shots. And Pascal was pretty young at the time, and, you know, he was, he was contributing. And I just remember how that team, the Raptors team, like it wasn't their intention to make the Leafs look bad, but they kind of made them look bad. They did. Right? You know, and whether that was fair to the Leafs or not, because, like, the Leafs said,

they lost to a lot of very good teams, right? They lost to some bad teams like Columbus and the Montreal Canadiens in that all-Canadian indivision year but you know it made them look bad i think the jays are kind of doing the same thing because like the jays aren't this as we've been talking about yeah they've got some stars but you wouldn't call them star studded they're like a team you know where everyone's contributing in it everyone's on the same page i would say it's just kind of funny i would say that the one commonality between 2019 and what's going on right now is that both the Raptors team

and this Blue Jays team had all the hallmarks of we talk a lot about likeability like there's a likeability about those teams in the case of the Raptors it was more that they were assembled with very lofty aspirations when they traded for Kauai they kind of knew it was a one year deal

and like okay so it's win or bust and then they won which never happens more often than not it's bust because it's so hard to win but they did it so everyone appreciated this hardworking, focused, determined team that delivered on the promise. Whereas the Leafs had a lot of talent, they were highly paid,

but they always fell short. Now, fast forward to this Jay's team. And part of this right now with this Jay's team is they're probably doing the Leafs of favor because they're overshadowing how crappy the Leafs have been to start the year. But at the same time, once this Jay's season is done and everyone kind of pays attention back to the Leafs,

I think there's going to be a outpouring, of vitriol towards this team because they are not likable they're tired, they're stale and they've got these guys that make a lot of money and have constantly underperformed whereas the Jays have a bunch of I mean the classic thing with the Jays is like

the Nathan Lucases of the world the career minor league grinders that are taking this opportunity and getting to the heights of their sport was almost out of the out of the game three years ago right those guys yeah you know I the least could actually probably use Ernie Clement right now

By the way, his high school scoring exploits in hockey. Over goal per game. Gerjit texts in, morning guys. Throughout the year, Brough said this didn't feel like a serious team on the Jays. And it was evident as well. But could the not being a serious team be a help to the team? Like when Torts won with the lightning, they didn't know any better. What are your thoughts?

I think they've evolved. Like, I think they've evolved and they've added some players. I mean, Trayasavage wasn't part of the equation. earlier in the season you add this guy and well look at the results but I think yeah I think they had to mature

as a team and they've become likable I mean yeah you know if I think the best kind of like example of the seriousness of the Jays is when they couldn't figure out

when to have whether or not to have a home run jacket oh it's funny you know it's kind of like we have a home run jacket And then it's like, no, we're taking that away because we're maturing as a team. And then they're like, no, we've got to bring it back because that was kind of fun and baseball is fun. So they brought it back. So they've been just trying to, I think they've just been trying to find themselves, right?

But, you know, this Blue Jays team is not the same as it was two or three years ago. Yeah, Bichette and Vladty are there. But like, think of all the other characters that have been added to the mix, whether they're guys like, like a Scherzer or whether they're young players that we'd never heard of and never thought we'd hear it about a few years ago, right? Like teams evolve.

Yeah, I mean, this team's, I mean, tones just texted in. Like, it helps when you add, you know, Bieber and Varland and Dominguez, which makes your staff better, for sure. I think what Bruff's talking about with, like, at times when they weren't considered serious, and it's funny you bring up the home run, Jack.

I was watching the game with my sister-in-law yesterday. and she, when Kike Hernandez went yard and he went back to the dugout, she was like, where's their thing? And I'm like, well, some teams don't do it. Some teams, the general consensus. The lame ones. Some consider it like kind of like amateurish and hokey and whatever.

The Mariners had that trident, right? The Mariners had a try and the day. Brick killed a guy with that thing. That's what we do. You've been really low for a while. And so like I was trying to explain to it like in hockey terms. Remember when the Carolina Hurricanes used to do the storm surge after the games? And then remember Justin Williams was like, well, we're not going to do it in the playoffs.

And everyone was like, was like, why? And I'm like, because it's hokey. Like it is kind of, it kind of induces eye rolls from the purest. Did they have to bring it back? I don't know. I don't think so. I still think it's hokey, but they can't get over the hump. Bring it back.

But I was explaining it to my sister all right. So the jays had a storm surge jacket. I was like the jays had a whole run jacket. Then they got rid of it because they wanted to be a little bit. bit more serious and a little bit more professional and then they're like we swung too far that way we're going to bring it back and have a little bit more fun and then you're they just found their identity and it's not about the home run jacket don't make no mistake but it's symbolic of a team that is just trying to figure out what they are how about how about this phrase the jays are now comfortable

in their own skin yeah yeah yeah i you know what this this team is the hardest they are who they are this team is the hardest team that i've ever tried to cover and figure out what it is that makes them so good because it's so many different things. Like, if you were to say, like... But don't you need that? Doesn't a good team have a bunch of different good things? Yep.

You know, you've got your stars, you've got your role players, you've got your heroes that are supposed to be heroes and your unexpected heroes. Yeah. And like you'd say, who's the face of the team and you automatically say Vladdy? Yeah.

Without question. And he's the leader and he's the guy and he's all that stuff. And maybe it all starts with him. I mean, the way he's delivered in this postseason, Part of when I would say, like, I don't know if they're a serious team. Honestly, part of it came with Lattie. Sure. Right?

Like, his performances in the postseason, although, yes, very small sample size hadn't been great. What he's done in this postseason is deliver a 12 out of 10 performance, right? Let me put it this way. It is incredible what he's done. Going into yesterday, he had never had a 15-game stretch where he was as hot as he's been in this place. He rose to the occasion. He literally has not been this hot before in his career ever before. So hot right now.

And he did it in the playoffs. That's just incredible. That's the sort of metric like clutch where they do, I think they actually do have a clutch metric in baseball. But it's just one of those, it's one of those eye testing. There's also a feel thing. And there's so many guys that have done it, but collectively, and by the way, we should be giving some credit to John Schneider at this stage of the game because. Well, there's a guy that's come under criticism too. Huge fire.

What, you're taking this guy from single A ball? Yep. He's your manager now? Is that a serious organization? He's made some subtle moves over the course of this postseason. Guy was in the backwards town of Vancouver managing. And another Canadian that's made it big, Vancouver Canadian, that is. But, I mean, for example, I mentioned putting Schneider in the leadoff spot yesterday.

Like, I saw a ton of criticism for that. Like, what are they doing? Why are you batting David Schneider leadoff? What does he do? delivers right and that's a huge kudos to the player but also to the manager to put him there in that spot because there were other options that he could have gone with he's made some very nice calls i know that his bullpen management has come under fire obviously the little thing was the big one and whatever else but to you know he's he's very he's very like flatline and

plastic he doesn't the highs don't get too high the lows don't get too lows you need that from your manager it's a big reason why i thought that the yankees with boon were always kind of a mess because he freaks out all the time, right? Like Schneider's done a good job for a guy who's faced a lot of criticism and been able to sort of steer the ship in those directions. I know the players are the ones that are responsible for this,

but Schneider deserves a lot of credit to what he's done as well. Did you see the hug? That he gave you Savage at the end of the game? Proud Papa hug, man. That was like a dad hugging as they said it on the broadcast. That had big time dad energy. Yeah. He was like tears in his eyes, full hug. He's like, I love you. Remember when we said we were going to talk about the Canucks?

Those guys! And we've got like five minutes left in the same. They're not fun. We haven't even had a lot of text about the Canucks, to be quite honest with you. So here's a thing, like, people are all hurt. The Canucks apathy is high right now. For those of you, by the way, for those of you that complain, and I actually waited on to Reddit a couple days ago in the flood of, you know, like Halfford and Bruffer too negative. How about this?

How about we just, how about apathy? Did that make you happier? That'll do it? Are people saying we're too negative? Occasionally people will say that we're too negative on the Canucks. Oh, have they, with all the Stanley Cup? championships. No, no, no, no, no. But like, it's just like the continual... And the great start they've had so much. The continual harping and haranguing. And I'm like,

well, what do you want us to do when we come in? They're one game below 500 and the hockey hasn't been that good. I got an option for you. We can just ignore it. We can not talk about it at all. That way you won't get any negativity in your breakfast, right? You'll get a fully rounded meal without any of that toxic negativity. I think it's... I don't particularly have a problem with it. There's enough programming on the station. You're going to get your fill. Did you hear the rebuild wars were back? on the station yesterday with with with with crossover I sure did yeah it's hard to tell um I mean I'm not one who uses injuries as an excuse someone will text and I'm like to jes it

without Springer you know and like I get I get it but I mean the injuries that the Canucks have had have been let let's just go through the big three here sure for me got it all right here if you want I got notes well I mean the philippeal injury we talked about this before and you know we were all like oh man I hope he can stay healthy you know he's at a pretty serious history of concussions and we even saw that in Vancouver in a short stint here last year the way he went out though I know we've talked about this before but I don't think you could have drawn up a worse scenario head down Tom Wilson cresses you right that that is that's bad man like if there's

one guy in the league you're like who's one guy you wouldn't want to have your head down against through the middle of the ice and you've got a serious concussion history and everybody like Tom Wilson because people are like well Nelson Bufflin's not in the league anymore so how about

Tom Wilson right so that happens now more recently you've lost Quinn Hughes they're best player their captain and now Connor Garland is out who is their best play driving forward so you've lost your best play driver overall

in Quinn Hughes and your best play driving forward now there are a few positives Pedersen is looking a lot better this year and Thatcher Demco is so far at least healthy and playing very well Why'd you put that out there? Those everyone's put it out there Don't put it out there.

And those are your positives. But overall, you're kind of like, well, even when they were fully healthy, they weren't looking great. Although you'd be like, okay, well, Adam Foote maybe needs a little time to get that system dialed in, right? It's a new one for the team. But, you know, you're going off on this three-game road trip, and who did they call up yesterday? Mackenzie McKeckern? Former St. Louis Blue. Because Nils Amon wasn't getting it done, and you're like,

is this where we are? Is this where we are? I mean, Tom Vielander made his NHL debut the other day, and that's great. I thought he played well. But when I saw him out on the power play, I'm like, it's game 12 and Tom Velanders out on the power play?

Late too, like when they were chasing a game, right? It wasn't just like, it wasn't just like, here's some free power play minutes to get your feet wet. Those were the crunch. And then you look at it and you're like, yeah, I guess it's understandable because Horonick is taking the first unit stuff.

And then who else was you out? It's not like Tyler Myers is playing all that well these days. I mean, this, it is very, very unfortunate that in what we've put into referendum year, the Canucks have started the season with their top five man games lost injury in the NHL right now. Shockingly, they're not the most injured. I can't remember who it was. I think Canucks Army had an article about it, but they are top five in the NHL and man games missed right now. And by the way.

But there's man games and then there's like impact. Yeah, and if you want to, you know, boil it down to impact, their best defensemen and best forward are out of the lineup. And that's very difficult for any NHL team to overcome, but especially difficult for a team that didn't have that much depth going into the season. We're up against it for time. A reminder, it is a Canucks game day. They play tonight 5 o'clock in St. Louis against the Blues.

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Our one of this show is in the books. Coming up, that's right. More baseball talk. Adnan Verk, MLB Network is going to join us. We will get into the Canucks talk in 8 o'clock hour with Thomas Drance. We can run through some of the news and notes from yesterday. It was a travel day for the Vancouver Canucks, but we got some news on Quinn Hughes.

Connor Garland and the newest Vancouver Canuck, McKenzy McCackeren. So we'll get into all that in hours two and three of the program. They're coming up next. Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet, 650.