Halford & Brough in the Morning - The Halford & Brough Halloween Spooktacular

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

In hour one, Mike & Jason look back at the previous day in sports (3:00), they talk how Halloween came early for the Canucks last night after a scary loss to the Devils (6:00), plus they preview Week 9 with NFL.com's Nick Shook (26:18). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Visit them at 1170 Powell Street in Vancouver. We are coming to you live from the Kintec studio. Kintec Canada's favorite orthotics provider powered by thousands of five-star Google reviews. So we're feed. What are you waiting for? Kintec. We got a big show today on a Halloween Thursday. We got a big guest list as well. It begins

at 630. Nick Shook, our good buddy from NFL.com is going to join us ahead of Thursday night football. Aaron Rodgers and his cayenne pepper water. One of the oldest quarterbacks in the NFL is going to take on one of the youngest, C.J. Stroud and the Houston Texans. That goes tonight.

Nick will preview that. We'll also look ahead to the week that will be in the National Football League. 7 o'clock, Adnan Virk is going to join the program. Folks, the Major League Baseball season is over. Congratulations to the Los Angeles Dodgers, who in five games dispatched to the New York Yankees. They are your World Series champions.

Adnan's going to join us at 7 o'clock to talk about what the Dodgers did and what the Yankees did not do. What a disappointment for the New York Yankees in that one. What a disappointment for the series overall. Yeah, very. We had that magical moment, Freddie Freeman, that we'll all remember in game one, but then, you know,

the Yankees kind of tried to make it interesting and then really blew it yesterday. The series didn't even last a week. Yeah. When we had A.J. Didn't even get back to L.A. That's disappointing.

When we had A.J. on from A.J.'s pizza on East Broadway. Too bad we don't have him on today. We had him on before game one. He's unreachable right now for some reason. Pre-game hit, game one. He didn't even make it to the end of the series. When he comes on, it's going to be old news that the Yankees lost

in the World Series. Anyway, other guests today. 7.30 to St. Ricketts from the Vancouver Whitecaps is going to join the program. We will talk to him about the Whitecaps big game on Sunday, the second of hopefully three legs in their first round against LAFC. Whitecaps need a win, cannot lose again.

We'll talk to Tose about that at 7.30. 8 o'clock, Thomas Drance, the Drancer from The Athletic Vancouver and Sportsnet 650. We'll talk to him about last night's debacle, which we got to take in. I'm not feeling too bad. You feeling okay? I'm feeling all right.

You feeling A-okay. Yeah. That's because you left in the second feeling okay? I'm feeling all right. I'm feeling A-okay. Yeah. That's because you left in the second, right? We left after the first period. I was going to leave that part out of the conversation. Tom Strand's going to join us at 8 to St. Rick. It's at 7.30 at Danver. It's 7.

Nick Shook at 6.30. It's a big show. We got a lot to get into. So without further ado, Laddie, let's tell everybody what happened. Hey, did you guys see the game last night? No. No. What happened? I missed see the game last night? No. What happened?

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Visit them online at bccsa.ca. With Halford and Brough in attendance, the Vancouver Canucks were throttled 6-0 by the New Jersey Devils on Wednesday night at Rogers Arena. Here's a fun fact. It was their worst shutout loss since 2006. So you could say Halloween came early for the Canucks last night after that scary loss to the Devils? Yes, Andy, you could say that. And you should.

It was also their most lopsided loss non-shutout division since 2017. So one of the worst performances in recent memory for the Vancouver Canucks on home ice. We got to be there for it. What a lot of fun. Yeah, it started out really badly when Tyler Myers pinched in on a Canucks offensive zone face off the puck went back to Myers but unfortunately there was a New Jersey Devil there and he what talk would say dove in and boy did he dive wow Myers was caught in no man's land. The puck went back the other way on a two-on-one.

Dawson Mercer to Nico Heischer, and Heischer had his 10th goal. And, you know, it was a tough night for Artur Silov, but he was beaten cleanly on some really nice shots from the New Jersey Devils, and Rick Tockett said afterwards that they shot the puck really well, so maybe he was trying to protect his goalie a little bit. But, you know, the second goal, this time it was Dawson Mercer that scored from Nico Heischer, was even more of a mess defensively than the first one because the Canucks were on the power play and JT Miller and Quinn Hughes were trying to do something or at least JT Miller was trying to do something. Quinn Hughes was too tired to do anything. You know, JT Miller just left the puck

for Quinn Hughes to get it and Quinn Hughes did not get it. A New Jersey player got it and they went down the ice and they scored. And you know, after that, there's no real sense in going into all the goals. It was just, it started out bad and it got worse. Yeah. That was, that was, that was how it went. A few notable things after that. Well, JT Miller wasn't on the first unit power play the next time it went out. So I don't know if Talkett was trying to send a message to JT Miller

or he was just trying to switch things up. We'll see what the power play units look like the next time the Canucks practice, which will be on tomorrow, on Friday. They've got the day off today because they deserved it. And so we'll see what happens. Connor Garland, that was noteworthy that he dropped the gloves and got into a fight with Eric Holla. And that was a good tilt.

Good tilt. And it was disappointing that the Canucks couldn't take any energy from that fight because Conor Garland was willing to do whatever it took, including dropping the gloves yesterday. I would say that that, that we won't talk too much about Petey, I don't think, but he had a shot right in the slot off of one face off and like took forever to get the shot off.

And I think that just, it's just his confidence. His confidence is so low right now. You know, watching, we watched from, we were actually in the Canucks alumni suite, which is right next to the press box. So we had the kind of bird's eye view of it all.

It's tough to watch him play, man. But it was tough to watch the whole team play last night. So there's no sense in picking on one player. You know, everyone pretty much had a tough night for the Canucks. It's to the point where you come in, you're kind of like, there's no sense in screaming and yelling about it. And I got that feeling from Rick Talkett afterwards. He's like, I'm not going to light them up.

They know how badly they played. And Tyler Myers said afterwards, we should be embarrassed. And I'm sure they were embarrassed with that performance. It was a dreadful, dreadful, dreadful performance. And I can tell you that early in the third period, Rogers Arena was half empty. People had gone home. They were just like, well, they're not coming back.

They look terrible tonight. Let's go home and get some sleep. Yeah, it was interesting because usually for games like this, you wait with bated breath, anticipation about what the head coach is going to say because the day-to-day games, you wait with a bated breath, anticipation about what the head coach is going to say. Because the day-to-day games, you know, there's 82 of them. So you get a lot of repetitive comments. The ones that stick out like a sore thumb in a good way or a bad way are usually the ones that you perk up a little bit for.

Yet in response, Rick Talkett more subdued than I think, one, a lot of people anticipated, and two, that he's been after a lot of games this year, including the Carolina game earlier in the week where the Canucks showed a hell of a lot more life, got a point with a good rally in the third period. Talkett was more critical of his team after the Carolina game than he was about last night's game for obvious reasons, as Jason pointed out. Still, I do want to point to a couple of remarks that he had.

And the first one, the only bit of real biting criticism that the head coach had, and he used that word again, you know, connected. But in this sense, being disconnected. We talked about this with IMAC yesterday, and IMAC was trying to get to the root of what he means by connected. I'm not sure he knows. I'm not sure his players quite know yet,

but he talked about it again. Here's Rick talking on disconnected play and terrible rush defense in yesterday six nothing loss to the new jersey devils yeah i think as an individual yeah i think you have to look at your game what you know what what am i what am i doing wrong and some guys are doing some right things don't get me wrong but i think some guys are just, they're trying to go A to Z without going through the procession. Your job first on the forecheck is, like I said, you don't have to kill you, go through a guy. So then the other guy does this, that.

What we're doing is I'm going to try my own thing, and then all of a sudden you're disconnected. They hit the weak side and they get an odd man rush. Our odd man rush coverage was probably the worst I've ever seen since I've been here. It reminded me when I took over the team. That's how bad it was tonight. So we got to make sure we buckle in. The rush against was not good.

We were really, you know, we were just, I don't know, we're out of sorts tonight. I wonder how much Talkett is thinking about all the plans he had to not change the way the Canucks played because he never intended to do that. He wanted to add something to the way the Canucks played because of what happened in the playoffs last season. And he felt that they left some scoring opportunities on the table. And we went into training camp this year and he was like well we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water but we want to add a few things and it just looks like the Canucks

have maybe lost their identity a little bit that they had last season possibly because they're trying to do other stuff now sometimes it's worked out nicely. In the Pittsburgh game, you had all those rush goals against, like three of them in one minute, and Tocantin was pleased with that. But I think that's a few games in a row now where the Canucks have gotten off to a pretty bad start. The Pittsburgh game, remember, they were down 2-0 to the Penguins. The Carolina game, Carolina was just all over them to start. And then New Jersey was

New Jersey, and that was the worst of them all. They seem like they're just a little bit lost right now. Well, okay. I don't want to blame any one player, but we do need to talk about this game in detail, because a lot happened.

And I'm just going to say, before I say it, I'm not putting the blame on any one player for last night's performance. It was pitiful across the board. They were bad, right? Taka acknowledged it in his remarks about flushing it down the toilet. Laddie's got the bewouche all ready at the

go. You're going to try and pin this on Seeloff. I'm not going to pin it on Seeloff, but he can't play. He can't play. He can't play him right now. He has a 797 save rate. It wasn't last night. He can't stop pucks with the regularity that you need to stop them to be an NHL goalie.

He has a 797 save percentage. He's given up 15 goals in three starts. If he stops that first shot, it could have been a completely different game. Here's the thing. He was beaten cleanly on a number of opportunities Clean is a good word But then Taco was like They shot the puck well

Yeah they did The heat shot was good But he still could have had it And it could have been a completely different game What did I tell you about Seelovs When he came into the picture? I said he's going to have these flashes of brilliance Yeah that's what I said

I love him I can't remember the other stuff He's going to have flashes of brilliance But it's the consistency throughout the month Throughout the season He just going to have flashes of brilliance, but it's the consistency throughout the month, throughout the season. He just doesn't have it yet. It's not enough to be an NHL regular. So if you want to talk about a game going completely off the rails,

you have a goal against in the first minute, and then you have a four-minute power play where you look in at, like the power play on the four-minute when Hughes got clipped in the face and made him bleed his own blood was really bad. And you could feel the energy, whatever was there from people being all hopped up on Halloween candy. And the two guys dressed up as Ricky Bobby and Buddy from Talladega Nights. Everyone was excited to be in the building. And it was flatlined after the early goal and the power play.

And Taki spoke about the power play as well. And how it's a mental thing now. And the frustration is clearly a mental thing with the guys that are on whatever unit at this point first unit second unit mix them up doesn't matter blown two double minors now like two so how do you not score well here's rick talking on the current state to get scored against yeah it also helps rick talking on the current state of the power play after last night's loss to New Jersey. Yeah, well, we're not shooting what we're supposed to shoot, and we're shooting when we don't.

Like, it's just we're so caught in between. We're slowing the power play down when it's a frustrating thing right now for us right now. It's a mental aspect right now, and we're going to have to keep working at it. We're going to have to work with the mind more than the physical. So what do you do with the power play? I have no idea. He came out after the last game and said there might be some changes to the power play. And then there might have been some formation changes to the power play,

but it was the same five guys out there, and that was JT Miller, obviously, and Quinn Hughes, and Brock Besser, and Elias Pedersen, and Connor Garland, who has taken over from Jake Dabrowski, who was on the power play earlier in the season. So it was those same five guys out there. And then later on in the game, JT Miller was off the power play. And I think Garland might've been on off the power play, unless he was still in the box for his fighting. I don't know.

But Miller was definitely off and that was noticeable in the rank. And we wondered if that was a disciplinary thing for the giveaway or if it was just splitting it up. I brought it up a few times on the show. Remember last year when they did split up the two units and they had Miller on one and Petey on another, I would probably try something like that. You almost have to get some guys with the work

boots out there because, you know, put Sherwood out there if you want to do something, you know, get them out there creating some havoc. Winning some of those loose puck battles. Creating some broken plays, yeah, winning some battles. I think they really need to totally rethink this one. I don't know if Petey deserves to be out there right now. He's not creating anything.

He's not, he's not, um, he's not creating anything. He's not particularly aggressive. That isn't to say that the other guys have been playing well, you know, JT Miller, that was a bad, bad mistake that he made. And he, you know, deserved to be disciplined by Rick Talkett on that. And he hasn't been great either, but I feel like he's at least trying to force the issue a little bit more than some other guys and you know petterson just does not have a shooting mentality right now he doesn't have an attacking mentality right now and that's that's a major issue if you're on the power play the first unit uh didn't love the fact that connor garland went out there and it's we were

joking as we were watching the game like connor like, Connor Garland's officially in, like, fine, I'll do everything mode. Because he has been one of, if not the team's best players through the first eight, nine games of the season. And he's going out there fighting at 3-0 to try and get a spark. You didn't like that? I didn't like that nothing happened. Oh, yeah. I love the fact that he finally dropped the gloves.

That was the best part of the game. Otherwise, I might have been quite disappointed with the performance last night. I didn't like the fact that nothing happened afterwards. There was no spark. There was nothing tangible that came from it. And actually, it was JT Miller after the game who said that part of it really sucked. I think the quote was, someone went and got punched in the head for you. And you went out and responded like that.

And those little individual moments that you can find in games are of concern. I know that Talkit isn't thrilled having listened to his comments after the Pittsburgh game and the Carolina game with the team's physical approach overall. And I think it's an intensity thing. I think right now he thinks his team is too perimeter oriented too fancy too fragile and not enough guys are interested in engaging physically and doing the things that are going to set the table for the success when he talks about being connected now I'm kind of starting to see what he's talking about like he wants someone to take the body on a forecheck or get a puck loose and let that be the first moment in a sequence that's going to lead to a good thing okay i i said that i wasn't going to pick on pd but

this whole that sounds like something someone would say when they're about this whole beauty this whole butt check thing that he's doing and he did that a few times last night and it doesn't accomplish anything and we had landon ferraro on the show and he was saying like you gotta go stick on puck because the whole idea is to force the guy to make play and then put the puck in if you're1, you just want to pressure the guy. And maybe he makes a bad pass, or maybe he even gives it up to you. But the latter part is unlikely, right? But what Petey has been doing is he's going in there with his butt check, and he's just kind of rolling off the player.

And the player is like, I still got the puck. And you're like 10 feet away from me because you butt checked your way out, you know, like all the way down the ice. Yeah. Like that doesn't accomplish anything. That doesn't help anyone on the Canucks. It helps the other team because they're like, all right, well, I just rolled right off that and I still got the puck. And that can lead to a disconnection because then you're

like oh well then there's a five on four rush the other way because you know Petey's still spinning away from the butt check yeah you know it does it does it's it's just it it accomplishes nothing um so uh Dunbar Lover text message in basket is 650 650 people are angry people are very upset and they're angry I understand it uh It was a much ballyhooed game. What with the 740 start nationally televised, Hughes a palooza, probably incredibly disappointing for the captain Quinn Hughes to lose a game in that fashion with his entire family in attendance, including his mom and dad. So people are upset and people are angry. We will read some of your texts throughout the show. We've got a lot of opportunities to circle back on everything Canucks,

everything that happened last night. We will look ahead to the weekend. The San Jose Sharks are on top. They're usually a good elixir for what ails you. Like, although they have played better recently. We'll get into all that. I do want to touch on a couple other things before we go to break. And we turn things over to Nick Shook on the other side.

I do want to carve out a couple minutes here to talk about the World Series, which ended yesterday. Oh, yeah. The Los Angeles Dodgers winning their eighth World Series in franchise history. First since 2020. If you want to talk about a frustrated fan base, Canucks fans,

find a Yankees fan. Call one up. Go on Twitter. Well, we'll talk to one tomorrow. Find one. Just how bitterly disappointed they are in that World Series because the Yankees didn't just lose in five games to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

They constantly shot themselves in the foot at every level imaginable. There were bad managerial decisions from Aaron Boone going all the way back to game one when he decided to put Nestor Cortez in to face Freddie Freeman, which I think really set the tone for the series. It certainly got Freeman off on the right foot as he was, you know, obviously named MVP of the World Series last night. Defensive issues. The play that Garrett Cole made or didn't make in the fifth yesterday where he just decided not to cover first base on that grounder, which set off a five-run story.

What was that run? Yeah. I mean, there were defensive issues throughout this. Base running errors throughout. I think that's pretty well established, the Yankees' base running, in the entirety of the playoffs, not just the World Series, was bad. And then at the plate, I don't know what more to say other than that Aaron Judge finally showed up last night,

but it was way too little, way too late. It didn't cost them last game. What didn't? The bats. It was all the other errors. It was the fielding. The bats showed up in the final game. The bats showed up in the final game of the World Series. Imagine having that, was it 5-0 lead? At home.

And they're like, okay, well we got this one. We got it back to LA. Garrett Cole on the hill? I believe I saw a stat that the Yankees had not relinquished a 5-0 or a 5-run lead in the entirety of their postseason history, which is pretty lengthy. First time in World Series history that a clinching, decisive game involved a 5-run comeback.

It was out there in terms of an anomaly. Now, I'll say this because we got pretty deep into the playoff baseball as we often do we love playoff baseball we were very very excited and uh you know classic hal bro fashion pumped up the world series although in our defense everyone else was everyone was pumping up this world series between new york and la it really fell flat it's it's kind of a dud of an ending to i mean there were great moments in it. The Freddie Freeman story is terrific. That was an incredible, incredible streak of home runs that he had. And that first home run in game one, that was magical.

That will go down in World Series lore right up there with, I don't know if it's quite as crazy as the Kirk Gibson story, but to echo that kirk gibson story same part of the ballpark on a night where you know they're remembering fernando valenzuela that was a very special moment but i i know what you mean after that it was kind of like when when we had that moment it was like this series is gonna be incredible i think a lot of people just anticipated that it was going to be judge Otani and they were going to have this moment meeting at the apex where

they were going to go toe to toe and bash dingers. And what, you know, it was going to be these great individual performances. Now there was one in the, in the form of Freddie Freeman, but in terms of competitive balance, it was leaned heavily in favor to the way of the Dodgers.

And we only got five games of it and it's disappointing. It felt like the World Series was over too quick. That was my takeaway from all of it and now the offseason is upon us. Adnan Virk is going to join us later on in the program though and it's not going to be his final hit of the season or anything. He is going to stick

with us because as part of Amazon's NHL broadcast, he's going to do a bunch of hockey stuff for us as well. So we'll talk to Adnan at seven. We'll talk to Nick Shook coming up next. For those of you that are still grinding your teeth, maybe even gnashing your teeth at the Canucks loss last night, we'll go about 10,

12 minutes with Nick and then we'll dive back into the Canucks stuff and into the Dunbar Lumber text message in basket. Cause we don't want to short change everyone's angst over last night's 6-0 loss to the New Jersey Devils. But we are going to cover a couple different sports this morning. It's a busy time of the year. We got a lot going on even though baseball season just ended. Dunbar-Lumber text line is 650-650. Get yours in. Nick Shook from NFL.com

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North Star Metal Recycling, they recycle, you get paid. Visit them at 1170 Powell Street in Vancouver. Are my eyes deceiving me, or are the New York Jets two and a half point favorites tonight at home against the Texans? What? Looking at her right the Texans? What? Looking at her right now. Are you sure?

Yeah. I'm actually going to ask, are your eyes deceiving you? Are my eyes haunted? What's going on right now? Let's find out more. We'll go to the phone lines. Nick Shook from NFL.com joins us now on the Halford and Brough Show on Sportsnet 650.

Good morning, Nick. How are you? I'm good, guys. How are you? I'm good, guys. How are you? We are well. We're looking ahead to Thursday Night Football. And it's funny because, you know, some people have said that Aaron Rodgers' exposure

has officially reached critical mass. We're talking about his youth serum, which includes cayenne pepper and water. Talking about his future. Talking about is he going to retire, will he remain a Jet? You know, J.J. Watts going on the Pat McAfee show and said, I'm sick of talking about Aaron Rodgers. It's all Aaron Rodgers all the time.

Is this maybe a little bit too much hype for a guy that is quarterbacking a two and six football team? No, welcome to the club, J.J. Watts. I've been there for weeks. Yeah, it is, but it's just because it's Aaron Rodgers. It's a guy who has attracted headlines for years. And the way that he went to the Jets, I think, is a big part of it, too. He forced his way there.

It required a trade. He did his whole announcement on McAfee that that's where he wanted to go. And then he tears his Achilles, which only builds the anticipation that much more for a whole year um but yeah it is i mean this is a two and six team and a quarterback who does not look like he did a few years ago he shows flashes of it but he doesn't look like it overall and as much as you want to say well he's not getting protected well enough he doesn't have enough time to throw even in instances where he does have time to throw he still doesn't quite look the same so uh yeah and i thought you know the most Jets loss might finally put them in the background and we'd be able to focus on the teams that are actually worth something.

But unfortunately, we're still here right now with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, even though they're 2-6. I mean, they are playing tonight. Have you double-checked that they're favorites? Yeah, yeah. Two-and-a-half point favorites. So there's something still there. I mean, maybe it's because their season's on the line. Although

a lot of people have toe-tagged this season and are already looking forward. And I think part of the dynamic that makes it interesting and constantly relevant is that you can always ask what's next because there's no clear path as to what's going to happen here. I feel like the Jets

would be wise maybe to move on and say, we tried, it didn't work, let's go somewhere else. But at the same time, I can also understand how they'd give it another shot because they've curtailed everything that they've done to Aaron Rodgers. They let him show up whenever he wanted during OTAs and training camp in the preseason. They fired Robert Sala. They brought in Devontae Adams.

They've, you know, everything that they could, every straw that they could grasp at to keep Aaron Rodgers happy and content and in the mix, they've done. So I just wonder when the breaking point will be. You got any ideas on that one? Well, I mean, they sold their soul to him. They have no other plan. Tyron Taylor's the only other quarterback on the roster.

The Zach Wilson experiment failed spectacularly. There is no plan for tomorrow. There is no tomorrow, essentially. With a team that's pretty young everywhere else, except at quarterback, and now that you've changed the look of the receiving core with Mike Williams and Devonta Adams there, you've got a little bit older there as

well. They were very clearly all in once they got Rodgers. The whole thing prior was, well, we're just a quarterback away. We've got to get defense, this, that, and the other. Their defense isn't actually living up to expectation now. But they basically obliterated their long-term roadmap. Other than the fact that they have talent in other places that are young,

if you don't have the quarterback, you don't really have anything, and they don't have the quarterback outside of Rodgers. So they have to just see. They've got to squeeze this fruit until it's completely dry because there is no choice other than that. Anthony Richardson gets benched in Indianapolis for Joe Flacco. My first question was why? The answer is because they feel like they need to win football games now.

Something just doesn't add up here, though, because it doesn't strike me like the Colts are a Super Bowl contender. So why is it so important that they win games and stunt the development of Anthony Richardson? I don't know if it's stunning the development of Anthony Richardson. In fact, I think it could be the opposite. And the reason is he needs to work on his mechanics. And this has been something that has been pretty obvious since he entered the NFL out of Florida. I mean, you could see sloppy footwork, inconsistent delivery at the combine

during his workout when he's throwing on air. And since he came back from that shoulder injury and surgery and everything else and then had the hip injury this year, you could just see some rust. You could just see a lot of inconsistencies. I think about early stage Josh Allen, you know, his first couple of years in Buffalo.

He played through it, but he spent the off season really fine-t tuning his mechanics. And I think that that is what is going to be number one priority for Anthony Richardson starting now. But I mean, obviously you're in the course of the season, so you don't really have the time to do that.

So what you do is you say, all right, you're our backup. We're going to proceed with Joe Flacco, who by the way, also made us look like a contending offense when he was on the field. Unlike when Anthony Richardson is on the field, you know, he's, he did a lot of what he did in Cleveland the previous season in his two starts.

And we'll get back to developing Richardson in the future, because this is such a results-driven league that when you're in the middle of a fight for a division title and you know that you have a better option that can help you win immediately, even if it's not the long-term option. You tend to do it because oftentimes teams will fire coaches if they don't deliver in situations such as this. So I think it's Shane Steichen looking at it and saying, all right, look, we stayed competitive last year with Gardner Minshew

as our quarterback. Joe Flacco is better than that, and we've seen what he can do in a couple of games. So let's ride him, ride the hot hand, and try and win as many games as we can. And we'll worry about developing our young quarterback later because he's got much more time in this league ahead of him than Flacco and perhaps I as a coach could

if we don't win football games. Okay, Nick, we're up against it for time here at Big Time. We've got a million things that we need to get into on the show today. Let's do a quick look ahead to the weekend. There's one game that's like primetime must-see viewing this weekend, either Sunday or Monday. What's the one that you're going to be digging into the most? Honestly, I'm very fascinated to see the Peterson Bowl

between the Jaguars and the Eagles because the Eagles have been on fire the last couple of weeks, right? But they did it against the Giants, and a pretty quality win against the Bengals last week. So I really would like to see that game. And Rams-Seahawks, because the Rams did a lot to convince me that they were just a couple receivers away from being a competitive team offensively again, and they're going to go into an interesting test

against the Seahawks, who are coming off a bit of a clunker last week, and they lost to Buffalo. So those are two of a few games that I'm looking forward to seeing. Nick, this was great, bud. Thanks for taking the time to do it. We appreciate it. Enjoy all the games this weekend. We'll try and do this again next week.

All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Nick Shook from NFL.com here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Not even a 10-minute reprieve from dumping on the Canucks and Petey. Only eight. Hopefully everybody's happy. The Rams are one-point favorites in that in That one by the way going into Seattle

The Seattle home magic died a long time Ago so I don't know how long we can talk About this without angering the the People but there's been a lot of I don't Know if you followed it or not but Between Seahawks Twitter and then There's a couple other articles that Have been written about.

I know what you're going to say. Mike McDonald? No, Lumen Field. Oh. Yeah. There's been a real pushback from, and there's been some ex-Seahawks talking about it, about how it's become like a lame place for the home team.

And Buffalo on the weekend, I saw so many people, and I got anecdotal evidence from friends that were in attendance. I've never seen so many visiting teams jerseys in Lumen Field. Like the notion of the 12s and the false starts and the noise and how difficult an environment it is. Yeah, it's gone. It's gone. Yeah.

Gone, gone. It's crazy. All right, let's dip into the Dunbar Lumber text line. 650-650. The Bridge Street, Dunbar Lumber, and Ladner has moved to Progress Way and Tilbury's Industrial Park. More room, more product, more awesome details at DunbarLumber.com.

Here's one. Talkit is going to need to run a primary school practice on Friday, taking time to make sure players know where they need to be on the ice. Yeah. Maybe you go right back to be on the ice. Yeah. Maybe you go right back to basics with this Canucks team because it feels like they don't know what they're supposed to be right now.

Now, on the other hand, Mike, the urologist from Brockville, Texas, it was a bad loss. They got blown out. That happens to the best of teams. And it does. You look and see the Oilers have been blown out. They got blown out in That happens to the best of teams. And it does. You look and see the Oilers have been blown out. They got blown out in Columbus of all places. Leafs have been blown out.

How they respond to bad games like this is the most important thing to me. Something they excelled at last year. Yeah, the Canucks last year, to their credit, did not go on extended losing streaks. They had a bit of a wobble around halfway through the season where they didn't look solid, but they never collapsed. They never went so far away

from the good that we were like, I don't know if they're ever going to come back. The Canucks have an opportunity to get some wins, albeit they're going to go out on the road, San Jose on Saturday. Then they have two days off before they play Anaheim. Then they have another day off and they play the LA Kings. So you remember sometimes they go down to LA or they go down to California

and it'll be like three games in four nights. This is three games in like six nights. So, you know, you could play Lankanen in all three of those games if you want. And, you know, the San Jose game is they need to show up and have a solid effort there. And then, frankly, they need to get a win. I would say the same for Anaheim. And LA's playing a little bit better, but you can't afford to go into San Jose on Saturday and have a clunker after the New Jersey performance. And frankly, I know people were like, good for the Canucks for getting a point against Carolina.

I thought, for the most part, they were pretty dreadful against Carolina. I like the third period. Yeah, but Carolina skated all over them to start that game. And in some ways, and I know a lot of people have been saying this, you could see this coming, right? The Pittsburgh game, they fall behind 2-0, but Pittsburgh is not a good team. And they were able to have that quick strike offense. They were able to score three goals in like a minute, goals in like I don't know six minutes and they were able to get to get that

win over Pittsburgh but Carolina did not start well and they were able to get a point from that and then you know the New Jersey game is like well your luck has run out you know like these these tough these bad starts are eventually going to cost you. And the Canucks just had none of that ability to get back into the game. I think one of the most concerning things about last night's game was like they never showed a push. No. They never showed a push. They were brutal.

How many shots did they get in the third period? I don't know. I mean, we left five minutes early. Yeah, I left earlier than that. Maybe they took off after that. period like i i i don't know we i mean we left five minutes early but yeah i thought earlier that maybe maybe they took off after that but you know like it it looked like new jersey was in control of this game the whole game so six shots in the third period when you're trailing badly you think you'd you'd have just a bit of a posture at the very least the devils would be like all right we'll just you know kind of chill for a bit everything stunk and again i'm not pinning this on silovs but when your goalie is just as bad as

the guys in front of them or is ineffective i'll put it that way um that's how you lose six nothing right you can have a lousy performance in front of your goalie but if your goalie stands on his head and makes some saves you're in a game or you have the possibility of like hey we're only down two we're only down three going into the third period. Maybe we've got a puncher's chance, maybe with a power play and some luck we can get back in it. But like C loves is not an NHL caliber, NHL caliber,

NHL caliber. That's a good one. NHL, NHL caliber. Well, he's not of that caliber right now. Can we all just agree with this? Yes.

I told you this, right? He's, he can't do it. He's got a 787 save percentage. To me, that should be the most glaring thing, is that three losses, one point out of those losses, and it's because the Canucks put up five goals of offense

in that 6-5 loss to Calgary, and a save percentage below 800, it's not that you need to give him a night offer to reset. It's that he's not going to be able to give you a chance to win in the National Hockey League. Now, another thing I want to point out. You brought up a nice mention about what they did last year, and we probably don't talk about it enough

because so many things happened last year. Rick Taka winning coach of the year, Quinn Hughes winning the Norris, getting to the playoffs, winning a round, getting to the second round. I think one of the most impressive things the Canucks did last year was not have a losing streak of longer than two games until late February. And that's when they hit that four-game skid, which was low-lighted by that 10-7 loss in Minnesota.

Everyone remembers this. In the NHL, the ability to mitigate losing streaks and keep them from going into 4, 5, and 6 territory is maybe one of the most crucial things to keeping your season alive. Because where you fall behind

in the standings and where you have to make up points at the end of the year is when you go on a 6 or 7 game pointless streak in November or December is when you go on a six or seven game pointless streak in November or December, or you go on a road trip where you get nothing out of it and you're 0 for 5.

It craters you. You need to be able to stem losing streaks. And I think this does play into what Mike, the urologist from Brockville, texted in. You need to be able to show a response that losing matters to the group, that losing is not acceptable and that you're going to make sure

that it doesn't become habitual or contagious or whatever phrasing you want to use, which is why last night's game stinks and they have now lost two in a row, but it also puts an impetus on going to San Jose and getting a win. That's what good hockey teams do, is they'll find a way to get a win and find a way to get two points. So the response very much matters here.

Okay, lots of Petey in the Dunbar-Lumber text line. Andrew and Sun Peaks, we don't have the center depth to do this, but Petey needs to be put on the wing and simplify his game. We just need him to shoot and shoot often. He's been overcoached and is not responding to it. They have the center depth to do it. They could do it. They could do it.

Could do it. I don't know if they're going to do it. I don't know if they will, but theoretically they could, right? Because you move Miller. You go Miller, Bluger, Suter, Oman, question mark? Yeah, they could do it. I just don't know if they will. Petey question.

Seems like he may still be struggling with injury. Is he able to go on IR slash LTIR to let things heal, or is it not enough to qualify for that, and he just needs to work through the healing and the pain? That's a question I can't answer. I don't know what his injury is. If it is. I don't know what his injury is. If it is, I don't know how serious it is. You know, I think there's a big mental aspect of this.

The shooting thing is he looks yippy out there with the puck. You know, that opportunity he had last night where it just took him forever to load up. Now, part of that could be injury related, I suppose. But, you know, the only thing we can do is go by what the team has done and the team has never rested him. Um, it's he, the team has downplayed his injury. Uh, maybe they're, you know, maybe they're wrong to do that. I, I, I don't know. Um, again, I'm, I'm, I'm just as flummoxed as everyone else. You know, I don't know if there needs to be

maybe some questions of the Canucks. Like, it would be nice to be like, are you sure he's not hurt? Like, did someone ask that in a scrum? Are you sure? I actually don't think the injury conversation is flummoxing. I think it's very simple, is that

if he's out there and playing, it means either he or the club or both have made the decision that he's healthy enough to play if he wasn't then he or the club or both should make the decision he shouldn't if you're out there like i think we need to get over the notion too that anyone is out there or that most of the guys are out there playing at 100 like we saw jt miller exit the game against philadelphia 32 seconds in after taking the opening face off come back clearly in discomfort that most of the guys are out there playing at 100%. We saw JT Miller exit the game against Philadelphia 32 seconds in after taking the opening faceoff, come back clearly in discomfort

and clearly hurt to the point where he wasn't taking faceoffs. So he amended his game because of an injury and because he was hurt. Now someone made the decision along the way that it was okay enough to play with, with the understanding that he's not at 100%. This isn't to throw Pedersen under the bus or anything, but it's a simple equation.

There's two things you can do when you're hurt. You can either play or you can not play. Yeah. That's it. And if you're out there, then you're held to the standard as everybody else. I mean, Bickens sat a couple games ago, brought up a very good point in the postgame show,

talking about Leon Dreisaitl against the Canucks in the playoffs last year, when it was very obvious that he got hurt in that second round series, right? He was not dealing very well with the injury at times, and he wasn't 100%. He still finished with, what, 10 points in the series? Something like that? Still found a way. Miller got hurt, wasn't able to take faceoffs, still found a way to Miller got hurt, wasn't able to take face-offs, still found a way to play and to be effective.

Now, Miller's had some boo-boos and some hiccups along the way. So maybe you can argue with the merits of playing an injured guy. That's a different conversation. But at this stage of the game, it's real simple. If you're hurt to the point that you can't play, then you shouldn't play. But if you're out there playing, you got to go play. Here's another one. Talkett needs to get Petey to just start ripping one-timers

and slappers into the defenseman's ankles. Eventually, something has to get through. Ten shot attempts a game is needed. Just fire it. He doesn't even really look like he wants to shoot on the power play. I think that's one thing that we were talking about last night when we were watching. He just wants to get rid the power play. I think that's one thing that we were talking about last night when we were watching. He just wants to get rid of the puck.

It doesn't seem like he wants it on his stick. So that to me, that's why I've been, this is a confidence thing. He's not being assertive out there. He doesn't want to be the man right now. He's passing it up. And to me, I think the coaching staff needs to make a decision on whether or not he

should be out there on power play one. And we'll see a practice if he still is out there. Cause it's, it's, listen, it's a real tough situation for the coaching staff because, you know, you got people in here like healthy scratch PD, or, you know, we've, we've even or we've even got people texting and send them down to the AHL on a conditioning stint.

I'm like, I don't know if that's going to work. But the coaching staff is responsible for getting this guy up to speed. That's their number one job right now. The Canucks, whether they should have or shouldn't have, have made a massive investment in Elias Pettersson. And right now it is looking very problematic. They made this investment because Pettersson has talent, and he's shown it before. But something is very off right now, and it's up to Pedersen, and it's up to the organization to work together to figure out what's going on.

Four points in nine games is rough. I think someone pointed out that he was at the 15-point mark after 10 games last year. So it's a stark, stark and dramatic difference between starts to the season. And when you consider, you want to be honest about what the Canucks have gone through in terms of their highest paid player,

number one center, giving them one goal and four points in nine games and being without Demko. They're in, big picture, they're in decent shape in terms of the points they've been able to grind out of this thing. And if you want to take a step back and look at a nine game snapshot, you're like, yeah, given what they've had to deal with, it's been all right. But nights like last night, I understand why the fan base is so angry, because every issue with the team bubbled to the surface in one bad night.

You know what I mean? Like, Seelov's was an issue. We haven't even mentioned the Myers and Susie thing yet. I mean, I don't know what to mean like silovs was an issue we haven't even mentioned the myers and susie thing yet i mean i don't know what to tell you problem that was almost like how i said in the off season that second pair would be an issue and oh it's an issue everyone looked at it that way like that wasn't you know that when you lose ian cole and you lose the door off and you add forbort and darren a you're kind of like, oh, well, we'll see, I guess. And then Forbort hasn't really been with the team all that much

and Darnay has not been good. And Brandstrom has been, I guess, a nice – but he's not playing significant enough minutes to really kind of like make it all go away. I haven't minded foreboard actually. Yeah, I mean he hasn't played much. No. But yeah, Soucy is really struggling and Myers made a bad pinch

right off the start and it kind of set the tone. Again, it's what happens when he plays too many minutes. He can't – he's not a second pair of email. Well, he played about 10 seconds last night before he made that decision. So I don't know if you're going to put that down to minutes. down do we also want to but i'm just saying that responsibility level for him i don't know if he's just that's where he that's when he gets into trouble do we want to note that there's already been two defenseman trades in the nhl already we're 10 games in and you got olimata went to utah utah obviously needed something because they lost dersey and marino

but of course yesterday there was the one where uh tim Timothy Lildrigan finally got out of jail in Toronto and is now a member of the San Jose Sharks. So, you know, I'm not saying that either were going to be like solutions for what the Canucks needed on their back end or anything, but you're seeing it across the NHL that teams are, there are those moves in the first month of the season where teams either get besieged by injury

and need a stopgap, which was kind of part of the reason why the Canucks got Zdorov last year it was a Susie replacement because they need Aaron in the WAC text in I love him but why is Miller escaping criticism he has passion and fight but he is nowhere near himself more turn turnovers or bad passes than Petey yeah I don't think he's escaping criticism after last night I mean that we've already pointed out that he was yanked off the first unit power play for his carelessness with the puck that led to the second New Jersey goal. Yeah, he hasn't been himself.

We've been talking about him this year, how he's kind of gunslinging a little bit too much out there. He's been responsible for a lot of goals against and a lot of bad turnovers. He needs to take care of the puck better. I hate to do this right before we go to break. Oh, hey, Jog. If by the trade deadline, Pedersen hasn't figured it out,

do the Canucks quietly behind the scenes, explore trying to move him. It wouldn't be a trade deadline thing. It wouldn't be a trade deadline thing. I'd be shocked if it was. It would be very... What is the kick It wouldn't be a trade deadline thing. I'd be shocked if it was. It would be off season. What is the kick in July? July 1st, yeah.

That's a draft. Honestly, if we're going to go down this, that's probably a draft move. God, I hope that's not the case, but I'm just saying. I mean, I'm wondering if... There's a lot of people texting in that. I'm wondering if even already, quietly to themselves, Alvin and Rutherford are like,

we might need to move this guy. They got a plan with Petey. They got a plan. They're working on the plan. This can't be an anchor contract. If he's not able to, for whatever reason, refine his game, maybe he needs a change of scenery. I don't know if it's mental.

Well, I mean, it'd be interesting if we could test Drance's theory that there'd be 20, 30 teams lining up to get Pedersen because of the talent that he's got. I don't know. I just hope Pedersen turns it around. Oh God, me too.

Because if he doesn't, then you're not going to get... You're not going to win the trade. I mean, it'd be difficult to. Well, you're not going to win the trade based on what Petey could be. Correct. You might win the trade based on what he is right now. And also based on his contract. Yeah, yeah.

If you're sending him off to another team, they're like, sure, we want him, but, I mean, look at that contract he's on. I feel like we're still, you know what, I feel like there's still, in the annals of NHL history, a lot of things, there's a playbook in how a discontented and malcontent superstar eventually moves. It was just something I was thinking to myself last night. I'm like, man, just I'm wondering if they're having these internal thoughts.

We haven't even reached the point where Talkit criticizes him publicly yet. We haven't really seen like a reduction. No. Not like everybody else. He said not to move his feet approximately a million times. That's not a reduction. No. Not, not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, We haven't seen the significant reduction in role. And I mean significant, right? We haven't seen that yet. There's a lot more that needs to go into it before we hit stage critical, critical. I'm sorry, but it's true. I know everyone's freaking out.

I know everyone's like, this can't keep happening. But I've seen the NHL. I know how it works. It's less me freaking out and more me just wondering if management is thinking that to themselves. We've got a lot more to get to on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Adnan Virk's going to join us at 7. Tosin Ricketts at 7.30.

Thomas Drance at 8 o'clock. We will read more of your text messages into the Dunbar-Lumber text message in basket at 650. 650 as well. If we dip out for 5 or 10 minutes and aren't talking about the Canucks, don't worry, stick with us. We'll work through it together.

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