Halford & Brough in the Morning - Will The Jays Take A 2-1 Series Lead Tonight?

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

In hour three, Mike & Jason preview game three of the World Series with Sportsnet Blue Jays radio commentator Ben Shulman (1:19), plus the boys tell us what they learned (27:00). This podcast is produced by Andy Cole and Greg Balloch. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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with you in step. I will remind you that on SportsNet 650 this evening, 5 p.m., you will hear our next guest, Ben Shulman, calling game three of the World Series from L.A. Dodgers, Jays, tied one game apiece. We're going to air the game in its entirety right here on SportsNet 650. You'll hear Ben tonight. You'll also hear them right now. Joining us now on the program, as mentioned, Ben Shulman, here on the Halford & Brough Show on SportsNet 650. Good morning, Ben. How are you? Good morning, guys. Thanks so much for having me. I congrats to your connects on a pretty fun win last

night. That was cool. I got to watch a bit of that. And I'm doing great. Looking forward to two, what should be another exciting game. Yeah, you mentioned it like last night. Very fun game, very entertaining. No rest for the weary sports fan because we got another one tonight. Game three, before we preview game three, though, Ben, I got to go back to game two. And we will throw some love and some flowers at the feet of the Los Angeles Dodgers, specifically Yamamoto and what he was able to do on the bump.

Where does that rank among the best pitching performances you've either seen or called during your career? It called, it's pretty much right up there. I mean, you know, Kevin God's been thrown a shutout for the Jays, so that's got to be in the mix. But when you're talking about the stakes of it, I mean, game two of the World Series, and this guy's basically unhittable over nine innings. But funny enough, I was lucky enough to be at Dodger Stadium as a fan

about 10 years ago and saw a no-hitter. I saw Jake Erie out of throw a no-hitter just out of pure coincidence and luck. So that's probably one, but is Yamamoto two, given the stakes of it? I think a very high chance. He was just unbelievable. And, you know, I think a lot of days where you come up with the offensive performance

that Jay's did, you had had done something wrong, and maybe they should have punched in a run in the first inning. I'm still not sure how much it would have mattered against that guy looking that good in game two. I think he had kind of decided that the Dodgers were winning that game with the way he pitch. Tell us about the pitching matchups coming up in games three. and four. Really exciting. You know, you look at game three, obviously Max Scherzorz

are going again, I think it's really exciting for a lot of fans. There is definitely a, you know, a risk reward of this. I mean, he was awesome in game four in Seattle. So, you know, I think you look at that, you look at the competitive nature and the playoff experience and you think that there's a good chance he could do it again, but he did, you know, end the season, you know,

on a bit of a tough run. So there's a bit of push and pull the air, but I think if you're a Blue Jay fan, you probably feel at least fairly confident about Max Scherzer going into a start. He faces Tyler Glasnow, who in some ways is similar to Blake Snell. The stuff is fantastic. Occasionally, you know, the command can elude him and that can open up some games against him. But if he's on, he's going to be really tough to beat, you know, high 90s fastball and two really massive breaking balls that are hard to hit.

That's going to be a really interesting matchup. And then Shane Bieber looks to rebound. You know, he had one really good start when the Blue Jace needed it in the ALCS. He's looking to try and replicate that, I think, against a Dodgers team that, you know, historically he's done well against, but historically he's done well against everyone because he's just had a fantastic career. And then on the other side, it's Joe Hay-O-Tani. And I don't even know how much more I need to say from that, but he touched 101 in his last start,

and he is fully healthy at this point or at least healthy enough to look fully healthy and that's going to be a handful and I'm sure for a lot of people that will be the most interesting game because it's been a while I would guess since a lot of Blue Jays fans have seen Shohei Otani pitch and hit

in the same game unless you're seeking it out in non-blue J games so that will be a spectacle for sure how much is the bullpen rest going to help the Dodgers it helps them I think you know, their bullpen got run through a little bit in game one, and now you think about basically two whole days off.

No one really even got up until Roki Sasaki started throwing him an eye inning, and I don't think he threw that intensely. Yeah, he was just bored. Yeah, I was just kind of a break glass in case of emergency. Let's move someone around in case the days out of nowhere, string a couple hits together. So it'll be big for them. I still think if you're the Blue Jays, you get into that bullpen.

it's a positive with all due respect to those guys down there. And the Blue J-Pen hasn't been ridiculously worked in the first two games. So they should be, you know, feeling pretty good coming into this one. But kind of like we saw in Seattle, this is the most important stretch for bullpents. When you do the three games in a row with no day off, there's a possibility that guys are going to be going three days in a row. So any rest that you can have for guys right now is big. and the Dodgers, I'm sure, are feeling pretty good about where their guys are at

like Sasaki and Trinan, who haven't even pitched yet in the series, let alone the guys that went in game one. Is that for the Dodgers, is that their only area of weakness, potentially the bullpen? And it's kind of like relatively speaking to everything else that they've

got. Or are there other areas where the JAs can potentially find some vulnerability? I think it's the biggest one. You know, and frankly, you know, Tanner Scott and Kirby Gates are healthy, and Alex Vescia doesn't have a personal issue.

I don't even know that it's the weakness, but... Yeah, relatively speaking. Yeah, it just happens to me right now with availability. The other edge, clear edge, I would say that the Blue Jains have, is defense. You know, there are a couple really good defenders on the Dodgers, mooky bets at shortstop. That's been one of the best defensive shortstops all year,

and Freddie Freeman's really good over at first base. Will Smith is more of an offense first catcher, not that he can't do it back there. You could say the same for Max Muncie at third base. Andy Paz is probably a better corner outfielder than center fielder. So I think we haven't seen it really matter yet, but there's a chance that, you know, the defense could end up being an edge for the Blue Jays. The Dodgers, I would say, are more likely to give up runs due to defense than the Blue Jays are. So, you know, if they pitch like they pitch, it doesn't end up mattering that much.

In theory, the Blue Jays putting the ball in playtime should help them out because there's a couple of guys who are more hitters than defenders in that Dodger lineup. We're speaking to Ben Shulman, play-by-play radio voice of the Toronto Blue Jays here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Let's talk expectations, maybe reasonable expectations for Bo Bichette here, Ben, who sounds like he will start at third base, so he'll draw back into the starting lineup and into the field, or second base, sorry, if I didn't say that. what is a realistic expectation for a guy that's clearly not at 100 percent but there's only a handful of games left in the season so it's kind of do or die time he's got to play he'll play tonight what can reasonably be expected yeah i think on the defensive side you expect the routine plays he made a really nice play up the middle in game one he did but i think it's unfair to expect him to make those more rangy plays all the time he's just clearly not running at full speed and can't run at full speed with the condition of his

and then at the plate, you know, I think he's still going to make a good amount of contact. He's still going to put up really tough at that. And the threat of Bobichette is still a thing. I mean, you know, he's clearly not healthy, and they walked him in one of his three-played appearances in game one. So I still think that he brings a lot there, but, you know, is he going to be the same doubles machine than he usually is? I don't know. Like, given the way that he's running right now, he's got to hit sure doubles to make sure that he gets there. there aren't going to be any sprinted out at first dive doubles into second base, I think,

because he's just not running at full speed. And we still haven't seen him hit for big power in the game. And he's only played in one and changed. So it's not totally fair to him. But, you know, I haven't seen him connect with the ball yet and rocket it, even if it was for a 370 foot out or something like that. So still kind of waiting and seeing on what kind of power. can display. You know, I would have said the same for George Springer in a very different way

and then hit the huge homer. So, you know, things can change quickly and a day or two's rest can change a lot for a guy potentially. But, you know, I think you expect him to make a lot of contact, put the ball in play, work tough at bats and make some routine plays at second base. We're speaking to Ben Shulman, play-by-play radio voice at the Toronto Blue Jays here on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. Is there anyone else that you're looking at Ben, aside from Scherzer, who's got a big task ahead of him tonight? And I know it's hard in a team sport like this to pick on one particular individual. Maybe someone that either needs to step up or be that X factor or have a quote-unquote moment tonight for the Jays.

Yeah, not step up, but have a moment. I mean, he kind of did in game one and it gets lost in the shuffle. But Mason Flew Hardy, you know, the Dodgers got tough lefties, whether you're talking about Otani or Freeman or Muncie or other guys. and, you know, you need your left knee relievers to be on to beat this team. And so he had a great outing in game one. He punched out of Tani in his first ever World Series batter faced and pitched a scoreless outing. They need it, you know, they need him to do that again.

It's a really tough ask because of the batters that you're going to throw him up against and the fact that he's one of the youngest, least experienced guys on the entire team. But I think that it's really hard to beat the Dodgers if you don't get Otani out you know a couple times late in the game and Flew Hardy more than likely if they're winning or tied or even close it's going to end up drawing Otani and that means bets and that means

freem it more than likely and so they're going to need a big outing from him unless they end up putting up you know 11-12 runs again so Ben how are you enjoying this world sure is your dad's got the TV side you got the radio side you're living the dream right now yeah it's

it's been fantastic It's really, I mean, being in the playoffs for me, given just how early it is in my career, was already like a bit of a fever dream and the biggest games I've ever done and so cool. And the fact that so many moments have come together and they've gotten to advance. And I've been lucky enough to have a front row seat and, you know, on the subjects of my dad that we've been able, you know, whether it was in New York or in Toronto after they won the CS to just go down on the field and snap a quick picture. or, you know, be able to talk about it after the game and both of us be so close to what's going on.

It's really, really cool and really fun and a privilege that I don't take lightly because, you know, these don't come around very often and very rarely are you able to experience them with family around too. So it's been great, you know, something that I'm trying to take a lot of pictures and get some keepsakes because when you're in the mix of the game, and trying to make sure that you do the job well enough. Sometimes you don't end up appreciating it a lot.

So I think a week from now, I'm probably going to be, you know, sitting on my couch going back through my camera roll and kind of taking a look at everything that happened because it's, I mean, it's honestly unbelievable. I don't, it doesn't seep in all the time. But, you know, Toronto Blue Shades are in the World Series right now, playing against the Dodgers. I'll be a Dodgers stadium later today.

Who would have thought? And, you know, I'll put my hand up in a bit, not me, when I was in Florida, not even close, that I think that this was going to happen in spring training earlier this year. So it's really a dream. It really is. So we have this conversation on the show a lot about hockey parents or sports parents and whether you should be hands-on or hands-off.

What was your dad like as a, like, what do you call it, like a broadcaster parent or something like that? Or like, was there like, did you have like a rough game broadcasting? and it was like a long car ride home, or like, how does this work? I would say he was more hands-on as an actual hockey or baseball parent than a broadcaster parent. You know, when I first started doing games, you know, when I was 15 years old doing inner county games in southern Ontario and then went to Syracuse to learn the craft and kind of really get into this, he really almost gave me nothing, kind of intentionally. You know, I think he didn't want to get too involved.

I had a lot of other people, you know, at Syracuse in a great environment, helping me out, including alumni who were in positions doing pro sports as well. And I think a mix of, you know, probably parenting stuff, not wanting to, you know, be two hands-on and not wanting, you know, to create any issues. And then also, you know, we had both kind of agreed. he didn't want to try and make me and I didn't want to try and sound exactly like him not that sounding like him is a bad thing

it's a good thing obviously with where he's gone in his career but I think especially early on you know there was kind of a conscious effort to make sure that I wasn't being molded into Dan Shulman Jr. essentially and that we would each kind of have our own unique styles so until I got into pro ball in general

there was almost nothing and even still to this day it's very occasional you know he's often doing the game when I'm doing it so he doesn't hear a lot of it live anyway he might catch the highlights and say hey I like this or

or hey do you want to take me through what you did there you know after that but that's maybe maybe once a month and even that could be an exaggeration you know I think a couple times in my life we've sat down and listened a full game in the off-season just to talk it over, but it's kind of sprinkled in, I think.

So it's a nice mix of it's there, but not necessarily all the time. Are you a basketball guy like your dad, too? I am, yeah. I actually, in the off-season of baseball, the last couple years and coming up this year, again, I broadcast Raptors 905, the G-League team of the Raptors, and that ended up being a bit of a coincidence that we ended up doing both of the same sports, I certainly always wanted to do baseball, but because I went to Syracuse, basketball is such a huge sport at Syracuse. And hopefully their season goes better this year than it did the last year.

But I called more basketball games there, men's and women's than any other sport by far. So, you know, I love basketball, love calling it. It's a lot of fun. But I am thankful I have, you know, Raptors 1005 season is coming up. I will have to get into that soon, but I have not. thought a lot about it over the last couple of weeks. And I'm thankful for that because there's a good reason

behind it. I don't blame you, Ben. Well, enjoy these moments. I think you've got a great attitude being obviously focused on the job but also the appreciation of the opportunity and the moment. Enjoy Dodgers Stadium and hopefully the Jays can get this

thing back to Toronto. Thank you so much, guys. I hope so too. Have a good one. Thanks, Ben. Appreciate it. That's Ben Shulman, play-by-play voice of the Toronto. his radio version here on the Halford and Brough show on SportsNet 650. Reminder, you can hear Ben's call right here on SportsNet 650 tonight. 5 o'clock our time, game three, Dodgers, Blue Jays, tie to one game apiece going in tonight's pivotal game three from Los Angeles.

Okay, we got a little bit of time here. Can kickstart the what we learns. By the way, it's a Monday. So a reminder, you're what we learns or what did you learn over the last 72 hours in sports. Hashtag him, WWL, Dunbar L, Texas. line is 650 650 send them in anything you learned over the last 24 hours in sports you know there's a lot that we missed including the fact so I texted brough and martinego our side group chat that I had like 11 o'clock last night as I was doom scrolling through my phone trying to figure out

what I had missed and I'm like Brian Kelly got fired from LSU yeah we didn't have time to get we didn't have time to get it to college football Brian Kelly well the only reason the most awkward fit in college football ever. You remember when he showed up at LSU talking like Foghorn Leghorn? Like he had an accent and he was like a Southern dandy all of a sudden. You can grow up in like Wisconsin or something like that. Anyway, the only reason I mention this,

I don't really care about college football right now. There's so many other things going on. But Brian Kelly is going to be paid $53.8 million in buyout money. Oh, man. It becomes. That's a dream, man. It is the dream. Be bad at your job.

and still get paid a lot of money. So earlier this year, James Franklin from Penn State got fired, their football coach. And that at the time was the second largest buyout ever in college football history at a cool $49 million.

And I remember thinking, that guy has the dream. Then Brian Kelly, two weeks later, gets turf from LSU. I think there is some offset clause in that. So if Brian Kelly gets hired by someone else, then I think you're right

like LSU isn't but for the sake of this story he gets $54 million to not coach LSU if he chose to yeah now I'll say this everyone's like oh man that's the dream those jobs are they come with such pressure

and such intense scrutiny so if you were to talk to someone that didn't know anything about college football I'd be like Brian Kelly got fired at LSU oh why were they no good I'm like well his overall record at LSU was 34 and 14 like on page paper he won a lot more games than he lost but at some of these schools with the amount of money

that they're paying their coaches it's quite literally if you don't win a national championship it's a failure amount of money they're paying their players these days right where there's a lot of money this whole program the coaches the players everyone's getting paid and there's a lot of money going into it so the stakes and it's pride too sure right like if lSU isn't a top five team it's embarrassing for them right and they're not they've i think they lost three in a row and the final straw was the loss on the weekend which they gave up 30 yeah people in When people in Louisiana are like, listen, I didn't maintain a C average in high school and get it to LSU for nothing. Half of them were like, I didn't even go to LSU.

I didn't even go to high school. I can't even read. But I can read 53.8. Anyway, so that was mine. What we learned, Brian Kelly making a lot of money. By the way, in case you're curious, the biggest payout in college football history happened when Jimbo Fisher got bought out by Texas A&M, $76.8 million. Now, the crazy thing is it worked because Texas A&M has done really well since Fisher got bought out. There 8-0 this year, and I think they're going to get into the college football playoff.

It seems like it's kind of a no-brainer. So anyway, moo cow, all that. Okay, text in your what we learns into the Dunbar Lumber text line 650, 650. So much happened over the weekend in sports. So there's no excuse not to text in what we learns into the show. I've got one and I ask Halford about it because it's a soccer one

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the internet at campbell dash pound.com today. Okay, you got to what we learned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I learned that uh, uh, Juventus have sacked their gaffer. Yep. And, uh, Igor Tudor. Okay. And I also learned that Jonathan David is not playing particularly well for Juventus. And I'm going to read, uh, I'm going to read a recap of his game over the weekend. Okay. Yvesa lost a lotzio. Eighth consecutive defeat. And, uh, this. This is what they wrote about him. This is on Yuvay's website, too. The Canadian gifted Lazio, the opener, with a needless backpass.

He also squandered the team's best chance in the first half and was often wasteful in possession. Yeah. Match rating of four out of ten. That's not very good. Four out of ten? It's very poor. David has had a rocky, rocky start to his tenure with the Seriaa Giants.

One goal in ten matches, one in six. seven Sariaa matches, zero in three Champions League matches. Now, compounding this is the fact that YuVA is losing, as mentioned, with regularity. Eight on the trot, four of those without a goal scored. And that's a problem because Jonathan David, of course, is the trigger.

So they sack the manager today. To give you an idea of how intense the pressure is, especially with the European football giants when they're struggling like this, the manager lasted seven months on the job. He took the job in March. It is just there's no time to let guys find their form. They just don't allow for it.

Like, I don't know if you followed what was going on at Nautum Forrest this year. Yeah, yeah. Their owners are lunatic though. But a lot of the owners are lunatics like this. And a lot of them, they just don't have the patience to let managers or, quite frankly, players find their way through difficult patches. Can I also just add that it is hilarious that the MLS Cup playoffs are broken. broken up by an international break.

Yeah, it's not great. So it's in, because I was looking at Canada's international. Because I think they've got some friendlies coming up against. I want to say Venezuela and Ecuador. Yeah, November. Right. And I'm like, wait a minute. Aren't the MLS Cup playoffs on during then?

We just take a little break. You imagine if the Stanley Cup playoffs. We're just like, actually, we've got the Olympics. So between the second and the third round, we're going to have the Olympics. Or just friendlies, you know? Like World Cup qualifying is going on. right this is why they want to it's hilarious but that's why MLS wants to move

to a traditional winter league fall in winter league like this is what you get no one else in football is playing I mean no one does playoffs anyway right it's a very MLS thing yeah no one's playing games of consequence I mean they're all games of consequence but not this type it is it is an interesting dynamic for sure

anyway I feel bad for Jonathan David I really hope he finds his form because the World Cup is getting closer and closer and closer Okay, give us a moot cow on that. A rash, A-Dog, do you guys have anything for what we learned? No? You can just shake your head. I mean, like, one thing I learned today, I think, out of anything.

Uh-huh. Is that some people like to tell other people how much time they should take off after something happens. Oh, no. Oh, no. Why are you bringing this up? No. I'm not. No.

No, no. No, you should have discussed this. You should have discussed this. We're going to put a bow on it right there. I know, we are. We're just saying. Like when I got chicken pox. All I would say is that I would meant.

Did you get adult chicken pox? Okay. Did you? This is, we're doing this again. Did you get adult chicken pox? I kind of remember this story. Yes, we did. Like you got it as an adult.

Yes, I got it as an adult. Right. It's dangerous as an adult. Yeah. You lived on the edge. This is literally the segment that we had. Now, I remember it now. Like two months ago.

It's coming back. It's been a while, you know? Yeah. Did you guys miss me? We moved on in our lives, man. Did you? I'm still back in August. Can I just make one statement?

I would miss the playoffs for Pedro. Okay. It's out there now. It's out there now. We might need to explain who Pedro is. My dog. There you go. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, we hope so, right, at this point? Otherwise, it's pretty weird. I actually have to get him a Mexico jersey for the World Cup. You should. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I had to think about it for a second. I'm like, yeah, no, you should. You should.

They're one of the hosts. They're in their fair and square. And he's from Cabo. Yeah, I mean, I would think about the dynamics of like if Canada was to play Mexico. It would be very difficult for the dog. Do you think a lot of people would be like, who's he cheering for? You're worried about the dogs divided loyalties? Yeah, yeah.

You know, he is a dog, right? But he's got a home there. He doesn't know what's going on. 99% of the time. You get some guy that sees him in a Jersey. He's like, oh, you come to Canada and you still cheer for Mexico? Like, you, I mean, you like it here, aside from that time you ran away. Other than that, you like it here.

Anyway, okay. He saw abrupt's unconditional love and was like, I'm out of here. Back to Mexico, I go. Okay, uh, mook out that. Fire up the top matrix. Humanoid submissions for what we learn. Brought to you, as always by AJ's pizza on East Broadway. AJ's original signature pies are a must try.

Like the Detroit, inch thick crust, crispy cheese, top of with Parmesan and Basil order online at AJ's. That pizza. It's all coming back to me now, by the way, that you had early adult onset chicken pox. Do you just want to end the show early and I'll cut up our segment where I talked about me getting a chicken box?

We'll just replay it. Because it's a dangerous thing when you're a kid, everyone gets them. My favorite part about that, do you remember when we were talking, we talked about pants? We talked about it, like back when you were like in your 20s,

yeah, pants. And then do you remember what you said right as we ended the show? I remember I was talking about my green cross. Cross-color jeans. Yeah, and do you remember what you said, Mike? No. You said it gave you a rash, and then you pointed at me, and you said, not you.

I do remember that. You've never heard that before, ever, never heard that. Never. The timing got out. I didn't set that up. I was just, you know. I'm amazed you remembered that far back. I remember what happened on the show a week ago.

Classic radio hijinks. Okay, let's read some. I can't remember we book guests. We'll have a guest on me like, we've never had this guy before. It's like, you booked him three times. Woodrow the eligible Bachelor, what we learned. Kiefer Sherwood is playing. lights out for the Canucks right now, but I would rather have management to find the next

Kiefer Sherwood instead of signing him to a long-term contract. Yeah, this will be an interesting one. Whoever ends up signing Kiefer Shrewood. Sherwood's 30 years old, classic late bloomer, undrafted, a bit of the Alex Burrough story in there a little bit. Sure. Never played ball hockey, at least to my knowledge. No, but it might have. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what, you know, you could see some people who'll be like, I'd be willing to offer like, nine millions over three years and then other people like give him 30 million over the next six years or whatever knows right that's so woodrow's text is that's reflective of a conversation that you and i have had about the knucks for this goes all the way back to when jim benning signed j bagle remember that was always my like don't sign j bagle he said we want a j bagle type and then someone thought what if we just signed j bengel like no that's not how this works you have to look for the next iteration when when they said when they got sure And I'm not going to lie. Like, I remember when they signed

Sherwood, I was like, okay. He's a fourth liner. He's going to hit some guys. Okay, sure. Good energy guy. Yeah. But we kind of said, like, wow, he scored quite a few goals in the H.L., though, didn't he? Yeah.

And I remember thinking for a national team that was kind of bereft of offense, why wasn't he given a longer look at it? Like, it wasn't like he was being blocked in the lineup. Yeah, Sherwood A&J. Beagle. Like, he deserves more props than that. You're missing the point. No, I know what you're saying, though.

I know. You got to find the next guy. at the cheap cost and not overpaid the guy. It's kind of it. I get it. I get it. And obviously there's the risk with overpaying Sherwood, but he does bring something that most guys of that style don't bring.

But now... That's the problem that you guys have because you don't have all the information. It's true, Jim. Is he a top six guy? No. But you could still pay him as a great third line guy that'll chip in a bunch of big goals. You know who they did? But how much? But how much?

I don't know. You know who they did that. But it's worth exploring. But you know who they did that with. Dakota Joshua Yeah but Sherwood's better than Joshua Yeah but this one's different Well he is though

He's better than Joshua He's more offense to the guilt Yeah but no one was talking about giving Dakota Joshua 25 million Over the next five years No I know you obviously don't overpay the guy And I understand the risk involved in it Price is what you pay

Value is what you get Would you get value That's the question you have to say Okay here's the contract Are you going to get good value out of this What we learn from Gary Garrison D.K. Metcalfe is still costing his team with poorly timed bonehead penalties, yeah.

Man, that guy's so talented, but I do not miss him as a member of the Seattle Seahawks. Was he just like, did you try and poke someone in the eye? I think he did. I don't think he tried to. That's a savvy, that's a savvy decision. At a key part of the game, too. Is that against the rules? Yeah, he can't do it.

Can't do that? Can't do it. He has five touchdowns in his last six games. He also had a big drop yesterday that Aaron Rogers was a little bit about. I mean, I think he's always going to be what he is. Yeah. Tantilizing talent. Unbelievable talent that does a lot of good things on the field.

But he just makes really, really dumb decisions. Pat the pylon, what we learned, at the risk of sounding too much like Dollywell, I spent 15 minutes yesterday setting up an Apple account with my wife's credentials on my kids' PlayStation to watch the Whitecaps game, only to find out that we don't have Apple Tee. and my wife had watched it previously as a free demo.

MLS really needs a better TV deal, and I needed a crown and Coke. Okay, I have a similar story. Yeah. I raced around to, we have three TVs, not bragging, but three, pretty big deal. Not a big deal. None of them were signed into. One of those little portable TVs. You've got three TVs.

Mike is court side at all these games or whatever. It's called pitch side? Pitch side. What third TV is that Radio Shack TV from the 80s? Let me tell my story. Keep going. You got three TVs. And I wasn't signed into Apple TV Plus and any of them,

and I didn't know the sign-ins. So I'm like, oh, wait a lot, what's going on? Okay, so I ended up watching on the iPad. I had no answers. So there's two. You could click forget password. It'll send you the new password. But it's not my account.

Oh, well, you're screwed then. Yeah. Okay, so this, weirdly enough, is a microcosm of what's it play. There's the actual act that a lot of people, a lot of people still aren't up to speed with, passwords, logins, streaming. But sometimes they log out, right?

So any app will log. I have to re-sign into my Sportsnet app all the time. So that's not exclusive to Apple TV. That's just a user thing. And a lot of people go through that. I get it. Then there's like the second layer, tranche, if you will, of this within Apple TV,

which is you do need an Apple TV plus subscription to view the content. Was MLS kind of advertising it as free, but free if you already have an Apple TV Plus account. They didn't advertise it as that. They said you no longer need MLS seasons pass, which is true. Okay.

They didn't say the rest of it. You need Apple TV Plus, which is a monthly fee. Not free. Right. But they didn't say you can watch it for free. They just said, you no longer, we're dropping Apple's MLS season pass.

You're not having to pay two subscriptions, just one. That's right. I should have just said that. I will say this thing about Apple TV, though, the amount of like free trial months they give you on every account. Yeah. I've never

paid for Apple TV. If you work hard enough, or even not that hard, if you work enough, you could get freebies. If you open a specific app at any point, they will probably give you an Apple TV subscription for like two months. That was the same thing with the MLS season passed. Like if you worked for five minutes, you could have found a free code, a redeem code on it. So, okay. Scott with a what we learned, Matthias Atcombe got in the Halloween spirit a bit early this year by dressing up like a pylon on the Sherwood goal last night.

Yeah, if you missed it earlier in the show, we talked about the Oilers, and we wanted to not act like it was just a mediocre oilers performance that got the Canucks to win last night because then we get in trouble. I thought the Canucks had a really gutsy effort last night. But I also was watching that game going, man, I understand why Connor McDavid was hesitant to sign long term with this group

because they, you know, two years ago, I think their team was much stronger than they are right now. At home is getting older on the back end. Remember last year in the playoffs, he only, he was heard. Yep. And he, I think he got into the lineup, he got back into the lineup during the Dallas series. Yeah.

And then played into the Stanley Cup final. Yep. Right? But, man, he's mid-30s. He's 35 or 36. You can't expect him to play good forever. His best years are behind him. And then the anticipation and hope for the young kids like Matt Savoy and Isaac Howard,

you know, those guys barely played last night. I didn't notice them at all. You know, you're talking about, yeah, you've got McDavid and Drysidal, and you've got Bouchard, who offensively can be really good, but defensively can be suspect. And oftentimes it's actually Matias Echombe on his pair that kind of contains Evan Bouchard a little bit. Calms things down, yeah. But then, like, if,

Nuge is a winger. Yeah. Who is their second best winger? If Hyman's not in the lineup. I think we said Pod Coles him. Well, I mean, people would be like, well, Benji Pony or something. I mean, the point is, right?

Like, they need more. Yeah. And they don't look, they don't look terrific unless McDavid and Drysiddle are on the ice. Chris and Duncan, hashtag WWO, what we learned. I learned that Kevin Burkart and Tom Brady

put a commentator's curse on Cam Scataboo yesterday. first play after they talked about Cam he suffers a gruesome right ankle injury that was one of the worst ones I've seen I don't know how many people saw it live New York Giants rookie running back Cam Scataboo kind of a cult hero and a fan favorite this year

for how crazy that he plays I mean he dislocated his ankle and his ankle was at a 90 degree angle that was and they showed the replay which they don't have to do anymore I was watching Red Zone at the time and they gave a sort of lengthy preamble like if you if you're squeamish and you don't want to see this kind of thing don't watch and then they showed it and crazy part about scataboo who is a different breed of football player he actually made a motion like he was going to try and get up and walk

it off like just help me up so I can walk this off and I'm like brother you're not walking that off like your foot is pointed due west it was gross they managed to reset everything and get him in a cast and I mean he's done for the rest of the giant's fans had like reason to be excited for like a couple of weeks that's it Maybe things are turning around. You could see Brian Dable on the sideline losing it because they got blown out by Philly. He lost his star rookie running back

and they're now two and six and he's probably going to lose his job. Omar with what we learned just when the season was starting to look pretty grim, the Canucks have a heartbeat. Maybe the early season adversity will actually help this team become a team and find its identity.

Yeah, I still don't know what the identity would be though. I'm not saying that they're not working towards something. I'm just not 100% sure what it is. We're talking to it was so obvious. Demko. Demko's the identity. Demko's your identity. I love what they did on Sunday night, but I made a point of texting the list to the guys

just to confirm the list of injured guys. They have seven guys that would probably be on the ice, not just seven roster players, but seven guys that would be playing right now, I would say, that are not in the lineup. I thought they played well at five on five against the half. I just don't think it's sustainable now. Yeah, who knows, man.

I want to read this one from Austin and Langley. What we learned, the Canucks season stats are the most bizarre they've been in a long time. When PD's underlying numbers were great, everyone said he wasn't producing, because he wasn't. Last night, his fancy stats weren't great, but he had a signature Pedersen goal. He held Suzuki and McDavid off the score sheet. PDO heater, Sherwood shooting 30% in a contract year. hockey is back maybe they're a bit extreme this year

but that always happens early in a season there are some crazy stats out there yeah that's fair and most of the time they most of the time because not always they come back to the middle a little bit regress to the mean as the kids say as the kids say

yeah like you you shouldn't really honestly if I know people love the advance stats and I look at them all the time. I have natural stat trick up during a game to see how the forward lines are doing and to see who's playing well. But like you need to be watching the game too to understand it and you need to look at who's got the matchups. You need to look at the game

situation, the game scores and all that sort of thing. And I love these people that just like, you know, I'll criticize. I'll say something like yeah, like I don't I don't really love Pedersen's game right now and this was early in the season and they'll throw like some like advanced stat card at me and I'm like well yeah but like

I can tell you what was happening there you know Garland is the play driver on that line he still is right Garland is still their best forward now where I've liked Pedersen's game recently is actually defensively he's always been good you know like and because he's

Positionally, he's very, very good positionally. Where I've liked his game a lot recently is the power play. I think it's taken a big step. It looks like, and this sounds so simple, but sometimes here's a thing, it is simple. He wants the puck on his stick now, and you can tell.

By the way, the hot takes are coming in about the hot takes are starting to come in about Quinn Hughes. The Canucks played more of a team game without him. Two puck dominance. he's a puck hog he's a little bit of a puck hog he's a little bit of a pot hog he heard it here first on the morning show we're not afraid to go there also because we're off the air in four minutes but we're not afraid it would have been funny if he was like it was nice to get a pass on the power play you know what i mean yeah You see Herona give it to me?

Wow, so much for space out of it, this is great. Okay, when I said sustainable, though, I didn't mean it from a metric standpoint. I meant it from as clear as I can say it. A team that didn't have a ton of talent and depth going into the season is now without like one third of its roster. It's still going to be really, really tough. I just don't think you can, I don't think you can keep your heads above water

when like again we have 21 skaters on a nightly basis and seven of them are out when Horonick went down on the ice and it looked like he'd put it done something to his shoulders get back up just get back up yeah come on man got through this yelling at the team like just get back up

like it's fine somebody get him some cortisone like look at this you know I know we've kind of talked about this these three games at home Montreal Edmonton and New York and we're like okay you get to the Rangers game And, you know, you set it up, like it's the finale.

It's not the finale. You're right back on the road. Because you're right back on the road with one day off. The Canucks go Tuesday at home against the Rangers, and then Thursday they're in St. Louis. To play a team that I have no idea. St. Louis is all over the place and they stink at home, but still. The Red Wings are all over the place as well.

And so the Conucks play Thursday in St. Louis, Saturday in Minnesota and Monday in Nashville, and then they're back, like, get those national games out of the way early. They don't get back-to-back days off until November 6th and 7th, and that's between the Chicago game and the Columbus game. And then they go Columbus, Chicago,

or Colorado back-to-back-back. And then get a load of this, get a load of this road trip. Oh, I know what I were talking about. At the, it's mid-November. Yeah. They go three games, in four days, November 14th, 16th, 17, at Carolina, at Tampa Bay, at Florida.

I mean, thankfully, Tampa Bay is basically a night off at this point. They're so bad. But yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. That's an afternoon affair against Tampa Bay, too. There's a lot of teams that have been disappointing to start the year. So you might be able to catch them on a night. But the schedule is tough. It's for a team that, again, did not have a ton of depth of talent coming into the season.

They're just warned it. I wonder when another deal is going to come through. Like I, you're almost doing like, Zaka for Willander. Seriously, I don't want to say it's like malpractice or a disservice, but icing the team that they've got like,

you're asking a lot of the guys that are playing right now. Like, Reichel coming in and playing 16 minutes a night. Like he was eating hot dogs at Portillo's one day. And then the next day he's like, now I'm your second line center. The connector somehow above 500 by American Thanksgiving. That would be insane.

Yeah, considering their injuries. The Zaka for Vlander or Lecker-Macki, like I get it from a Canucks perspective I don't get it from Boston though why would they why would they do that now why would they get a prospect Zach is a valuable player for them right now

yeah I know but here okay put it this way if this season might not work and next season will enter complain can contribute you're kind of just you're not waving the white flag on everything you're just and Zocco would be a for agent next year anyway after sorry two years

so you'd be going in the next season on the last year of his deal. I mean, that's the only thing that would make sense for me. I would still just be like, we've got this guy. This is going to be a king's ransom to get him out of here. Yeah, and they might have to pay it. We'll wait and see that music means we can't talk about it anymore, though,

because we've got to say goodbye. Thank you all for listening, and thank you all for contributing. We'll be back tomorrow to talk about everything that's going on tonight. Signing off, I have been Mike Alford. He's been Jason Brough. He's been A-Dog. He's been a rash, and this has been the Halford & Brough show on Sportsnet, 650. Thank you.