Hamish & Andy - 2025 Ep 293 - Meet the World’s Tallest Hat Dream Team

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

We meet the genius minds helping us bring the World’s Tallest Hat to life! We have a fresh batch of Extreme Empaths, and some shocking news — new $1 coins are being made, but somehow still none for us?! It’s officially been a year since we kicked off our campaign to get a dollar coin for the show, so it's time for a much-needed update. Also, Hamish has some strong (but fair) words for a few ice creams that need to lift their game. 1. Tallest hat dream team 2. Extreme Empaths 3. H&A coin confusion 4. Chocolate Magnums 

A listener production. Activate your internet. Because the Hey Mission and the podcast starts in 3...2... Sorry, still buffering. One! Ahoy to me, Merriweather Hamish. Okay, yes, Daniels. It would be my initial guess.

Daniels? I think that was it. Was that Daniel Merriweathers? Was he a singer? Oh, well see. Deep cut from me. Could have won myself a hand. Why are you saying that yes, there was a Daniel Merriweather?

Don't press me for more. Don't press me for more. Don't press me for more. An answer is an answer. No, we're not Daniels. I'm not going to say hello to... Oh, hang on. Is it the ships that landed? Is it Columbus's ships? No. Oh, no, that was the Mayflower.

OK, Jack, you go. Ahoy to me forner. Jack. Ahoy. I don't... Yeah, he's just saying hello. He's not doing guesses. No, I'm thinking. Oh, okay. Well, actually I thought Meriwether was,

was there a burger shop called Meriwether at Crown Casino in Melbourne? That was in Meriville, wasn't it? Meriwell. Meriwell. And then, yeah, so that didn't really seem like a casino specific. Are we short-lived casino burger stores?

She's done it again. It's a it again. It's a tough one. And then I'm Joe's Berg Joint. What are we? I don't think you are gonna get it now if you don't know those. So I'm Flora. It's Meriwether, Fauna and Flora.

I mean, is it just stuff on a coat of arms? No, we are Sleeping Beauty's three fairy godmothers. A few people outside going, how can you not get that? It's like, because we aren't up to date with Sleeping Beauty. Well, I kind of challenge it because I feel like I am. I've read the book a lot, but I thought Aurora was the princess in that. Well, these are the fairy godmothers. Maybe she's the main godmother anyway. To be honest, they are my least favorite type of bedtime story, the classics. And I don't know if you do this with boys.

Aurora's Sleeping Beauty. Oh, is that Aurora? Yeah. I was going to say, I don't know if you do this with your little boy, Jack, but I can read a full book out loud if it's one of the ones I'm not into. And I can read a full book out loud and be thinking about something completely different. I've actually outsourced... I don't know if this is bad, now I've outsourced the book reading to YouTube. Spotify. What YouTube?

So, he reads like Peter Rabbit and I just lie at the other end of the bed playing chess. Playing chess? On your phone? Yes, well because he's at the other, so I go top to tail so that he can't see the light. Mate, I mean, that's two devices going at the same time. So he's listening, it's playing on my phone. So I just say like, oh, because your phone is on, you're like, well, God forbid.

I'm just getting my phone out to press play, and then I'll just monitor it. I thought while Greg Internet slides a few games in, well that's huge. I thought I was being a bad dad by thinking about golf as my mouth was reading a story. Does he have the book as well and he's turning the pages? No, no, he's in complete darkness. He's watching TikTok. You're not reading a book.

He's got Oculus Rift goggles on. He's doing Beat Saber. So is that reading time? Is that what you use? Yeah, so that's not reading. That's not reading. It's come to be his routine now. Now he goes like, oh, let's do Peter Rabbit for bed.

Let's do 10 and a half. Don't you want to practice the Sicilian defense, dad? Wow. Wow, wow, wow. I have to turn the brightness right down, because sometimes he goes, what are you doing? How is Gordy's reading going? I bet he's listening fantastic.

It keeps getting interrupted by the movement of chess pieces around the board. You can turn that off in settings. Okay. I appreciate your honesty, Jack. I do that sometimes. I do that sometimes. Also sometimes. No, no, I'm sure.

Sometimes too. As I said, completely joking. All the way also to Alastair, who is from France, but uploaded this at HamishNavy.com, letting us know what he's up to. Third attempt to try and get this under two megabytes. Alastair, southwest France. Jack's handed his notice in with Christian but he hasn't got another job to go to that's quite common in media circles however if he

hasn't got a job to go to where's he getting his money to pay all his bills from that Tesla ain't cheap must be nice now I seem to remember he had access to the Bitcoin wallet for both of you and then he mysteriously forgot about it. What if he suddenly remembered it? I don't know how much it's worth because you guys don't go on about it but if it's three or four million Aussie dollars then you can buy a lot of cheese with that. So I suggest you put a bit of pressure on the weasel, give him a Chinese burn, try and find out if he's got another job and if he has no problem. But if not, he's gotta be supporting that young family, his wife and that great big Tesla, must be nice.

Maybe you wanna have a look at his bank account. Stay frosty, you guys. Wow, Alastair. What an accusation. There's a lot there. Number one. We should put that back, for people who don't know, Jack,

it also did participate on a radio show, we've mentioned it before, a breakfast radio show in Melbourne Krishna, you have resigned from that as of last Friday. Ceased your participation. This week is my first week of, I mean I've still got this to come to, but of doing nothing. Well, I mean Alistair... That was what we found was interesting, wasn't it, Ham? Because the meeting starts at 9.45, which Jack can't get to

because he's got an extended radio show and he darts across town from there. Still playing the Sleepy Boy card. No, I actually, there was just no, there was no so direct correspondence about whether, because I don't, I now haven't been to a meeting for the show in years. So I don't even know. And the show's been so good, so you don't want to jinx it. Last thing I want to do. rock up and then, and no one expects me. And then it puts things out of kilter.

Everybody's a bit confused and I don't know. And there was just, there's no talk of it. That's so considerate of you. Thank you for not spooking us because we could have rocked. Tell you what though, I mean, Alistair, just to get back to the message, as we say, love hearing people's messages, he's done his own audition there for like, almost a conspiracy theory podcast. Like it really did seem like a guy, I feel like I could have just easily watched that

on YouTube. If we were going to send someone- I could play that to Gordie as he goes to sleep for sure. We're going to send someone around to Jack's house to, as Alistair said, look in his bank account, I'd send Alistair said, look in his bank account. I'd send Alistair. He sends them. I've got to go and do it.

Have you got another job? I don't have another job. So is there any truth to the idea that the reason why you felt confident to quit your lucrative breakfast radio career is because you found the Bitcoin password and you've got that to lean on? No, I promise you. Look in my eyes. I promise you I haven't found the Bitcoin password and you've got that to lean on. I promise you, look in my eyes, I promise you I haven't found the Bitcoin password.

We just, we save well and we live frugally. Well, we knew the second half. And we're great use of the term frugal as well. And if the cost of golf buggies and golf jackets is very low for us, then so be it. Maybe I shouldn't say because there was a sensitive point about the golf buggy, but I did think of selling it secondhand this week just to keep the cash flow. Wow. I thought if anyone caught me on Marketplace or whatever, it would be a bad look. They stole it from the people and sold it for money.

It's yours now. whatever, it would be a bad look. They stole it from the people and sold it for money. Yours now. An absolute reverse Robin Hood. Steal from those that can use it and sell for thine self. I didn't know. Okay, we've got to keep, I mean, this is fun, but we've got to keep moving hand because we have got tall hat discussions. Yeah. It's so good that you don't have a job anymore, Jack, because you can come right on board

here as helping the logistics, helping the fine-tuning. Chief measure or something like that. Something. I mean, we thought, let's actually get this going. We brought it up in jest. Do we make the world's tallest hat? It seems gettable, a five-meter hat. I mean, it's nonsense like all world records, but it's time for action. It's time to actually start putting the angle grinder to the metal, then going,

no, too heavy, we need a lighter hat. And just doing a few things like that. We need to get in the workshop. And it started with us taking on two, we're not going to say employees, colleagues. Yeah, colleagues. Building the team, building the build team. I mean, obviously Oscar Piastri enjoys the fruits of being out in front and having a strong neck, but the whole McLaren team behind him is what gets him there. And that's the team we're building at the moment.

These people will get us the Constructors Championship. Doesn't matter who wears the hat. This is the Constructors. This is the dream team to get the hat made. Do you want to start, because one came in on your side and one came in on my side. Well, I think we've got them up on the phone. Grace, ahoy to you. Ahoy boys and happy birthday, Andy. Oh, thank you, Grace.

Grace, so fitting straight into the team. So excited about this. You're a fourth year aerospace engineer student. I think we'd mentioned Grace on one of the past pods. Grace, we want to commission you to do the hat. We had some reservations. Well, first one was how busy are you at university? We don't want this to take away from you, you know, obviously entering the workforce

with as high as marks as possible. Oh, that won't be a concern, boys. Don't worry. I'm actually finishing semester this week. I have my satellite due and once that's in, I'm free to build the hat. Are you building a satellite? Yeah. Okay.

And that's not just a name for like, that's a real satellite that you guys are building? Yeah, it's about a two unit satellite. So, and it has to work as well. So that's what we're doing this week. What does two units mean? It's like about 10 centimetres by 20 centimetres tall. It's quite small, but. Small satellite.

What is a hat that a very, very low orbit satellite on the head in a fixed position? That's awesome. Tethered to the head. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, yeah, you're the person for this then. So what we wanted to, and this is slightly dangerous, In a fixed position. That's awesome. Tethered to the head. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, yeah, you're the person for this then. So what we wanted to, and this is slightly dangerous, Sam, because these two haven't

met, but Sam reached out. He's a composite manufacturer in Melbourne, largely in carbon fiber and fiberglass products. He can make a very, very lightweight hat. Sam, ahoy to you. Ahoy and gusto to you. Gusto right back at you. Gusto. OK, this is what a team. So quickly, Sam, how expensive and hard it is to mould, you know,

what is the lightest material that you've got there in the workshop? Well, it depends on how strong you want it to be, really. I mean, and also the shape. I mean, if you're if we're talking just a plain old top hat, that's probably the easiest thing to make because all we need to do is lay up essentially around a cylinder. If we're going for more of a witch's hat kind of thing,

we've obviously, we've got to make the mold and that can be a bit tricky, but you know, we're up for the challenge, you know, anything's possible. Sam. I mean, I think we are happy with the top hat. All these sketches have been of the top hat. But do you think that's going to be, is that in any way heavier?

Well, it's more volume. It's more internal volume than a cone, isn't it? Yeah, it's got more internal volume, but at the end of the day, I mean, the material, I mean, probably ask the engineer, she's probably able to work out how much more material there would have to be. It's a bit easier to do that. But at the end of the day, I mean, it's not too hard. Hmm. Grace, do you think, just listening to those face fairly, obviously not with all the calculations, do you think a top hat's a problem? Did you have an idea of what kind of hat we should be making?

Well, as soon as I heard Sam come on, I was quite excited because a composite structure was my exact idea. Me too. How's this? This is crazy. All three of us have come up with a CS. Just on the same wavelength.

Yeah. And are you thinking top hat up? Because I'm thinking sort of, you imagine top hat, internal kind of weight bearing pole leading up from their head with some ribs heading out to the side and then we just skin it with you know we make that the carbon fiber on the inside and you just skin it with a material that's as light as possible. Yeah something like that so I'm not sure how much I want to say on air because there could be a current world record holder listening in.

Oh great. Just with a yes or no Grace, do you have a great trick up your sleeve? Yes. This is awesome. Sam, can this work where Grace designs something and then we all get together again and she presents it to you, Sam, and you go, okay, yeah, we can pull that off or can we discuss this? We've got builder and architect here. It's often a very difficult, you know, relationship. Are you open to taking Grace's designs and giving a bit of feedback?

Absolutely. I mean, I'm actually an industrial design student myself. So, like, you know, where I'm used to working with engineers and stuff. And yeah, it, yeah, absolutely. Let's go for that. It doesn't, like we said, it's all about the Constructors Championship here. We don't know who's going to wear the hat, but we probably need to know who's headed is now, don't we? Cause we'd be building it for their head. Cause their head is the stable platform. Or do you feel like, do we go bigger and then pad it?

So it then- Oh, you don't think you want that. Even any padding between the band and their head, a little bit of wiggle room at the base is a lot of wiggle room at the top, and that's what I worry about. Yeah. We could also measure the largest diameter head and then we could actually make a few sleeves to sit in so we can reduce the internal diameter where it sits on your head and so that means multiple people can wear it.

Yes, because of course we'll want to wear it after the death. Who knows what event you might get invited to. You've got to make it beautiful, you've got to show it off. I love that it's a top hat. I feel like that makes sense. It's a grand occasion. Whoever does it should be in a tux. I was going to say tails. Tails if possible. Gloves, tails, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say tails. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes, I agree with that. Okay, well guys, this is tremendous. First question for you, Grace, is how long do you think you need for design? And then the follow-up question will be, Sam, how long does it take to make one? Design-wise, it shouldn't take too long. It's more, I would say, we probably need a couple iterations, just making sure design's all good and that it can actually stay on the head. That's my main concern is like design doesn't take too long. It's more making sure that actually physically works and going from there.

I've got a question. Now we, I think we ruled out chin strap because we thought that was a helmet. It was cheating. Even though some hats do have a drawstring underneath, we thought that's probably going to get poo pooed. even though some hats do have a drawstring underneath, we thought that's probably going to get pooh-poohed. Any wobble of the head, front or back, could create huge structural forces. If you think of their top hat as a skyscraper, if suddenly the ground underneath started moving around massively, that's no good. Is there anything in the rule book to rule against, I'm not saying a chin strap, but you create a neck brace for the

wearer that keeps the head very stable, but the neck brace does not connect to the hat. We've got to get onto the rules, people. Yeah. Because that to me seems like the best loophole we should use. Could you hide it in the collar of the shirt? A scarf, a cravat. Yeah, a cravat. Yeah, but the hiding is the problem. The word hiding is the worry for me.

No, but we're not going to. Yeah. Remember. That's right. Remember. Yeah. We are going to wear a cravat, but we're not going to hide anything. We're going to wear a cravat.

But I might wear that big fat cravat. All right. And Sam, how long does it take to make something like this? Again, it depends on the actual shape. I mean, if it can be designed around a diameter that we can, like in a pipe that we can purchase, then not too long at all. But obviously, the more custom the shape, the longer it's going to take. How many mils thick do you think the hat will be?

At best, maybe two or three mils. That's a nice thin hat. That's a good thin hat. I just want it to be well balanced. My god, that's a thin hat. If you've got a thin hat fetish, this is the show for you. All right, we'll leave you and Grace to connect on that and discuss the idea of foam inserts, et cetera. We obviously won't call the neck brace company because we're not doing that, but we will organize a big cravat. I'm saying before the end of July, before the sun sets on July, we shall have the record.

No, I think that's- This is what you need for stuff like this, Like Kennedy going, we will go to the moon. I think we just need to chat to them about their timelines and then... Honestly, Ando, I'll send you this doco on the moon landing. This is how it happened. Kennedy got up first and he went end of the decade. You need need that end of July. End of July. Pando. Yep. We are a lot of things for a lot of people in this show, but I like to think we're the safest space on earth for people that feel things very, very deeply and often handle the torment of living in a world where inanimate objects

around them are given the full range and full spectrum of human emotions and they must deal with those and they must accommodate those. They're of course extreme empaths, love to hear their stories and the opener for the segment is every single song in the world played altogether at once so no one feels left out. Do you want to kick it off? You want me to? world played altogether at once, so no one feels left out. Do you want to kick it off? You want me to? Let me kick it off because I've actually, I had this thought the other day,

I didn't conduct the remedy, but I was actually thinking about this the other day. This is from Brandon. He goes, I was searching for an app on my phone and I came across the Gumtree app. Felt really sad for Gumtree having essentially been wiped out by Facebook marketplace, so every few days I just open the app and have a little look around with absolutely no intention of buying anything. But I just want the app to know that people could still be interested. It's from Jack.

My dad's an extreme empath. He insists on parking his car at the airport so the car has a view. He always parks it facing a window or an open area, seeing outside, ideally a few levels up and usually in the east or west. So it gets a nice sunshine or sunset. Wow. That's a great owner. This is from, I believe her name is apps, APS. On a multi outlet power board, she writes, it's not 100% full. I make sure every outlet gets its moment in the spotlight.

I rotate the power cables around so every connection shares the load equally ensuring no outlet feels overworked or left out. Wow. Just unplug the TV and I'll move you now to second from the left outlet. Oh, God. Get a bit of juice from that. For Paul, there are several variations of the yellow and black wildlife road signs warning of koalas in the area where he lives. There are a few different ones, aren't there?

There's just one where the koala is sitting. There's a version of the sign where the koala is waving as if to say hello to the cars driving by. I've recently discovered I'm a closet empath. When traveling on Country Road and I pass a waving koala sign, to my surprise, I found myself involuntarily waving back. To be absolutely clear, I will not wave if the koala is not waving. Yes, I'm just aware of them then.

This is from Steven and no offense, Steve, I mean, I know this week has had a lot of extreme impacts, but I feel like this is too far. Often I receive spam or unsolicited emails. Instead of deleting them or moving them to the spam folder, I instead store these in a folder named articles. So this way they don't feel so unwarranted. Too much. Hey, we did give ourselves two years to sort something out. We do like to do that on this show, thinking that any distance of about three months away, anything more than three months will never happen.

Yes. And, but as we know, two years does come around. Yeah. And time waits for no man. It just keeps on coming along. How long has it been? I was going to ask that. We're now a year in.

Oh, see it goes so far. A year. A year into trying to get a dollar coin. A year and 10 shows. I think it was the first show of last year. Um, to bring you up to speed. We're actually going to have to see the smokestacks pumping soon. Like at the Mint making these things.

Yes, yes. To remind people where we're at, we wanted to got Dollar Coin. We are the only podcast in the world to our knowledge that gives our listener, if they come to us in the flesh, a dollar. Yeah, we think the service is rendered to the Dollar Coin. That would almost be enough to recognize the show, not us personally, but the show as the guardians of the dollar. Yep.

And we first wanted to chat to the treasurer. We got in touch with his hairdresser. We thought that was the best angle into him. He seems to have had haircuts since then. We haven't heard back from the hairdresser. Doesn't seem like that's the right channel. Then the Royal Australian Mint, to be honest, are a bit dour about the whole thing.

And they said that, no, you have to be dead to be on a coin, which is not true. They rule. They throw rules that they always seem to break. Sir Paul McCartney has got one at the moment, apparently. An Australian dollar coin. Yeah, Australian dollar coin. Well, that makes no sense.

And he's not dead. And he's not Australian. And he's not Australian. Not Australian. So, you know, they're doing up there. I mean, if they throw the book at us and go, oh yeah, or if you're a beetle. We're like, okay. Well, you're just getting us on loopholes now. Tell you what, this was shocking news this week.

They bring, have you seen this, Jack? No. They're releasing another coin, the mint, a specialised one. What is it? Women's Weekly birthday cake book coins. We were big fans of that book. No, no, no. Not a cake, a coin. They haven't announced how many coins, but it's certainly more than six Friday designs. So you can get the duck cake, you can get the Humpty Dumpty cake on a coin. Like these are prints on a coin.

Of a cake. Of a cake. And there's, it seems, I reckon this looks, my guess is going to bring it out to a double. I feel like they're doing it to anger us. Like if they are just trying to think of anything they can put on a coin that's not this show. Exactly. How can you say the rules are so strict and then give 12 designs out to a coin? I made up 12, but it looks like about 12.

It would be a lot. I mean, you think of the classics, Humpty. Yep. Yeah. You've got the Dark. The Rocket Ship. Rocket Ship, Race Car, Track for number eight. Train.

Train. Yeah. I actually love those cakes. They're great cakes. Oh, they're a great cake. That was my favourite book as a kid. Yeah. But it just didn't seem to me that they're being so strict with the rules when suddenly

a cake can be on a coin. I mean, we all have beautiful memories, okay, of that, of, you know, sitting down with your mum or your dad listening to the YouTube of that cake book while your dad played chess or World of Warcraft at the end of your bed, okay? And that was a special time for a lot of kids. Yeah. But it doesn't mean you need to put it on a coin. If you're going to do it, put one on a coin.

Yeah. Well, I'm happy for them. It sounds like I'm having a go at the cakes. I'm happy for them to be on a coin. But what it represents to me is a bit of a kick in the teeth to us. Um, because they say the rules are so strict and now they're just people's favourite cakes from the 1980s are going on a coin.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but every time we've had a rule given to us, it's melted under scrutiny. Much like the icing on the fluffy duck can melt, it's buttercream icing, if it gets too warm. Coming from a cake man, or an enthusiast, he knows. You want to talk about fondant or buttercream, I'll tell you the right conditions in which to prepare it. I mean, come on.

Anyway, where we left it last, I had a little bit of news for you that was mysterious. And just because it has been a bit of time. I can't remember where it was last left. Was it something to do with the West Australian Mint? Because they kind of like operate separately. Were we chasing that channel? This was the last thing that we talked about. Saw a dog take a poo. Wasn't mine, my dog or my poo. Yeah, you're glad a dog didn't take your poo. A female owner went across and I saw her do that

thing where she goes to open her bag, little pouch and doesn't have any plastic bags in it, which is a terrible thing for a dog owner. And you're like, oh God, I can't pick it up. She turns around and she sees another dog owner, which is just euphoric. You're like, great, they might have one they can lend. She comes across to me and says, hey, do you mind if I borrow a bag? I said, no problem. She goes, oh my God.

Yeah, don't borrow it. I don't want bags. She said, she goes, oh my God, we've been talking about you guys this week. I said, why? And she said, we're working on the dollar coin. Wow. And I said, do you work at the Mint? She said, no.

She told me where she works, but I'm not allowed to say where she works for fear of, because it was very, she said it's very confidential. And she's, for fear of that getting out and not ruining our chances. Is it government? It's not government. But who else makes the money? Well, who else is working on coins? How do they outsource it?

All I'm saying is, is even though we've gone silent, Playing Hard To Get has worked because people are thinking about it. Wow. So that's about it. Wow. So that's where I was at. And it continues to work, playing hard to get to the point where we'd stopped talking about it and couldn't remember where the story was up to for me and Jack. And had never hadn't heard from or seen that woman again. That's how mysterious it was.

So I was like, Oh, well, that must've gone away because that's five months ago or whatever. I met a Buck's party on the weekend. A guy comes up to me and goes, you know what? I said what? He goes, I work with the lady in the park. And I had no idea what he was talking about. This is incredible.

And I said, which lady? He said, remember the story you told of the podcast? It's like a spy thriller. Yeah. I said, what, which lady? He said, remember the story you told of the podcast? It's like a spy thrill. Yeah. I said, oh my God. He goes, I'm in the same team. We have a meeting about the dollar on Monday. That is awesome.

Also awesome if these guys just remembered that episode and could just say that to you. Because anyone could come up and go, you know the lady in the park? I'm their boss. Really? Yep. And I'm flying to Canada on Wednesday. Well, unlike to talk to them about it. Yep. Unlike the lady in the park, I exchanged details with this fellow. I said, can I tell everybody the business? He said, no. I said, can I tell everybody what we're talking about? He said, no, but I'm doing it anyway. Will this jeopardize the coin?

I don't think so. Great. Because, yeah. So, because I don't want it to. Because I really want it to. So it's Monday. This coming Monday is the meeting and I'm going to reach out to him and to see how it went.

And I guess I don't know what kind of info he can give us, but it's still bubbling. Okay. This whole thing is just, okay, this is not a criticism. I'm just so I've got this straight. This is just you dipping back into say it's still bubbling. Yes. Okay. So I thought we were going to get more information than that, but the meeting's coming up. The meeting hasn't happened yet. No, the meeting's still bubbling. Yes. Okay. So I thought we were going to get more information than that, but the meetings

coming up, the meeting hasn't happened yet. No, the meeting's on Monday. Do you know what the meeting's about? But you can't tell us. Yes. I mean, what's the bit that you could, what's the bit you were going to, what's the bit you were going to tell us where you said, don't tell them, but you're going to do it anyway, you haven't told us the company or what the meeting is.

He said, don't say that we're having a meeting. Like we don't know who it is. That's why I don't mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So some organization that's not government, but has the power to influence coins is having a meeting on Monday.

Yes. And obviously they've been talking about it for five months. So you'd think someone would have poured cold water on it if it was a no. Is my point. If it was not popular. Yep. Have they produced coins before? Yes.

More than one? Yes. Jack, do you have any questions? Yeah. So the girl in the park, was that last year? Yes. So do you feel like that's a bad sign that five months has passed and not a lot has been done?

Well, no. Does it seem like the kind of company where the wheels turn slowly? Yes. Seem like the kind of company where the wheels turn slowly. Yes. And I think it's a good sign because we know it seems like there's a heap of red tape for this thing. Like it's already been over a year. And I think if it was simply a form on the Australian Mint's website that you

could fill out to ask for a dollar or a $50 note with your face on it or whatever. Like they do with M&Ms at times. Lots more people would do it. So you're right. The red tape's phenomenal. And so the fact that there's, I mean, it could be, I wonder if it's the final meeting. Like they might go, okay, we need to just get on with this. Do you know what the meeting's about, but you're not telling us? No. He said we've got a meeting about the coin. But yeah, but you, did you say how many meetings have there been?

Is it the final meeting? Will we have an answer? No. Should have. It was actually quite weird. It was a very quick conversation. Yeah. I think we were just leaving a little unsatisfied. You've done good, great stuff, but is that what you're feeling? Yeah. Was he a participant on the Bucks Day or was he like an erotic dancer?

Is this one of the... Is that why it was so quick that he just whispered in your ear as you slipped a dollar coin in his G-string and he just left? Does it feel like one of those filler episodes of Game of Thrones? Yeah, we couldn't afford to do dragons in this one so we're just going to have everyone in castles talking about when the dragons might appear next. Guys, we've tackled a lot of, I think we've done a great job, a great service to the chocolate confectionery and supermarket food industry on the show. Sometimes. We've celebrated them, but we've also kept them on their toes.

Yeah. And sometimes challenge them. Who does the stars? How do you do the stars? Well, that's well documented. Yeah. The health stars, something in the chocolate slash ice cream world I wanted to bring up. I feel like we're always, we're not just nitpickers.

We're, we're improvers as well. We always want to see you want to see the good things get even better. Well, how do you improve without critical feedback? That's it. I mean, you assume these companies, we hope these companies are doing it themselves. Like I'd like to think if you're in charge of something, because remember, if you're in charge of a snack, you are in charge of sometimes the best part of someone's day. Do you risk it often?

Like, do you risk it? Hearing most of the sound of a word. No, I risk it. I'll have a biscuit. No, would you? Because we'll be at the supermarket and Bec goes, oh, these look nice. We should try this. And I sit there and go why?

Why is the risk the last big risk I took was going over to Cadbury Marvelous Creations and I don't regret it Really? Yep. I got some tiny improvements No, but I saw it had popping candy and then I had a sucker for popping candy. Okay, so Full credit full credit. It's base. It's based on a block of chocolate. It's like when Beck finds some exotic new brand that's doing... What a competitive industry, the block of chocolate. You've got a lot of brands screaming it's not a huge risk. It's like cabaret.

What are you talking about? It is a big risk. I was usually on an Aero, a Peppermint Aero, and I thought, all right, that's a huge risk. What kind of a risk are you talking about? What are you talking about? Eating a roll of tin foil instead of an ice cream? No, Beck goes, hey, look at these. You know, there's some weird brand that they're doing something, you know, peppermint and whatever. Let this sound like a good snack. I'm like, oh, let's just stay with the usual peppermint, you know, the AeroMint or a Cadbury block of chocolate.

You need to give me the example of what she's saying, because it doesn't sound like it's too different to my risk. And if I'm being slammed for not taking big enough risks. You went from one big brand, Aero, to another big brand, Cadbury. It's 98% Cadbury chocolate. We know exactly what that is. And then it's got a little bit of risk. It is mar from 98%.

And you know what popping candy is? Popping candy, you know what that's going to taste like. You know what popping candy is? You know what popping candy is. What about the Smarties in there? What about the jelly? What about the jelly in there? A lot of risks. It's not that much really.

It's a very crowded chocolate actually. It's a very crowded chocolate. So it was a big risk. I think all I'm saying is it's a no. Well you won't even name what your risk was. What's the big risk you took? She's like, okay, it's McDonald's and Farrelly's new chocolate range of organic peppermint with crispy centers.

And I'm like, why are we even doing this? That's the risk. That's the risk. OK. But now for the small business chocolate makers. Yeah, well, that's true. There is the artisanal bars. But, you know, honestly, they're not at the big supermarkets. I think there's a lot of brands that are made to look like, oh, we're just, that's true. You know, tinkering in where we've got a little place out in the country.

And, um, you know, we hand make these shuffle bars, but I think stores around and calls or, or, you know, if you're in a Woolies, you're doing all right. Yep. Anyway, they're not what I'm talking about. What I wanted to say was like, I want to focus today on a product that I think is doing well. And I hope the ones that are doing well are still critical of how they could be better. Yeah. E.G. and this is not the ice cream I want to talk about, but you look at the Milo ice cream,

which is the cup and the spoon. Now they're doing great. Okay. I think you're probably a fan of a Milo ice cream. I know I am. I haven't, I don't gravitate towards it, but I would be a fan. probably a fan of a Milo ice cream. I know I am. I haven't. I don't gravitate towards it, but I would be a fan. I thought you were a pretty heavy Milo user.

Yeah, I used to use Milo a lot. They're good, but you sometimes look at them and go, okay, are you absolutely at the top of your game? Sometimes I worry about the consistency of that ice cream. It's a little very hard for the power of the spoon they provide. Yeah. And that's going to be a nightmare for them because I think sometimes the shop consistency of that ice cream. It's very hard for the power of the spoon they provide. Yeah. That's going to be a nightmare for them because I think sometimes the shop provides the spoon

and it's not the official Milo spoon that comes with it. Surely it would be in the... is it built into the packaging? I think it's a grey area. Sometimes it is. It's a grey area? It either has a spoon or it doesn't. Well, it's often not built into the packaging. Sometimes it's in the ice cream container, like in the ice cream freezer. Oh, right. So milk bar or the kiosk or whatever. So when they come from the Milo ice cream factory, they send them in a box. And you're relying on the workers to put them there and to keep it organized.

They could have sort that out. God knows if I was at the servo, I'd be like, mate, I don't know where those are. I'm just saying I've had instances where I've bought the Milo cup and you've had to use a different spoon. That's shattered. In the Milo cup. So you feel bad for Milo in that instance, but you go, my user experience here now is deeply down. Again, that's just an example. Here's who I do want to talk about. Magnums.

Oh, now you're talking. What kind of almond? My favorite. Yeah, I do like an almond, but I'll go plain and or a mini, you know, like I don't go too crazy. I know there's been some wild experiments in flavors, but I do like the classics. Too much. Oh, I don't like it any go. Yeah, because you're a little boy.

You like all the sugar. I like sweets. You miss just a little boy, tricked by two layers of caramel. Now I had a problem as we well know when I was 16 with Magnum Egos. Yes. And I was a little burnt by that. I don't know what happened. What happened?

I worked at a video store, now defunct, but people may remember video easy well. And I, much like yourself, Jack, I was always interested at the store I worked at as to where the legalities lay of what was and wasn't mine. You can eat a few Magnamigos on your shift. That's fine. Is a sentence that wasn't said to me, but one that I certainly assumed could have been said the same way that you might have thought you heard, hey, look, you know, the movie tickets are so expensive, no harm in you taking a

little bit off the top. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So I'll tell you what happened one day. You know the story, but they can track video easy to demise, not to the fact that DVDs came out in favour. It wasn't Netflix that did it all. You can also track Tamish's weight. Literally. It all started one Sunday. How many were you eating per shift? Okay, it all started one Sunday when the ice cream delivery came, and I happened to be

there on a Sunday afternoon, which is not really a peak time. Unusual for me to be working that shift. I was just added on on peak times as a 16 year old. Saw the ice cream delivery come. I go to the manager. Hey, who's the owner of the store? Do we need to scan these in? Like, do we need to put them in the computer so we know how many we've got

before we sell them? He goes, no, I just dump them all in. And I went, really? Loophole. Definitely my bad. And I went, really? Loop hole. Dump it all in my mouth. So the computer, the computer doesn't know where, how many we have. That I do. And so I began to, instead of spending, you know, $10 a shift to go next door and buy a souvlaki for dinner, I would just sustain myself on magnum egos to make sure

I had enough calories to get through the shift. As it turns out, each magnum egos, I think about four to 500 calories. And I was eating four a night. So I was eating quite a few. Just save yourself a day. Yeah. Yes. I was able to gain quite a layer of blubber to see me through the winter, through

the harsh video winter, and hopefully still be there in spring. And so my pants exploded one night. My pants exploded one night? They didn't lock. I was waiting to put a new release back and my button and ass both popped at the same time. And something deep inside me, which was by that stage, was definitely a core of Magnum Egos.

Maybe we've overdone these. And the manager said, gee, we're moving a lot of ice creams in winter. Not very far. We're moving them from, from fridge to desk. So what do we want to talk about Magnums? All right. What I'm going to say was ignoring the Magnum E, although this issue does happen with Magnum egos. You know, everyone's got their favorite Magnum.

We're a big fan of magnums in our house. Yep. One of the big letdowns of the Magnum, and they would admit this because it's part of their feature as well. They got a thick layer of chocolate on them. It is a very must be nice ice cream. I understand that. But it's a special trait. As you bite into the Magnum, you get the giant shard. Yes.

Right? It flicks off on you. Because it's such a thick layer of chocolate, we don't want to change the thickness of the chocolate. Then you're playing in a whole different category. They're in the thick chocolate category. You know, you're looking at like some of the, no offence, but some of the buller stuff and that's for kids that don't understand the thickness of the

chocolate game. Agreed. It happened the other day, right? We bit into the Magnum, huge shard just shears off the side, like a whole side and most of the north face of the wall of chocolate just collapses to the floor. And you go, what do we do about this? Because that is an absolute ice cream disaster. It's not Magnum's fault for making it so thick because that is what we like about

the ice cream and your heart breaks because I want to help you, Magnum. I want to help you. But I don't actually really know how to fix this problem. The best I could come up with is they make it with inbuilt fault lines. Oh, yeah. Like little panels rather than one big sheet. Yes, I know. So, I mean, could they experiment with that?

So it wouldn't be easy, but when you dip the ice cream in the chocolate, you also lay like a netting in it that then comes out after it's set. Yep. And so you might lose a bit, but you could never kind of shear off the whole thing. That's interesting. But what about this? They burrow through the ice cream and leave holes. So when they pour the chocolate in, it creates guide ropes on the inside that hold. Oh, so you've got chocolate core.

You've got one side holding the other. Just small lines of chocolate core that hold the other side. So fully, yeah, fully injection molded chocolate. Now wall to wall chocolate. Now with wall to wall chocolate, enhancing the structural integrity of your ice cream. And giving you more chocolate. So it's like buried kind of stellig types

and stellig marks of chocolate that are linked up. They're like, oh, that's, maybe they don't have to go all the way through. If it, I like the stellig type. It's spiked in. It's spiked in. Just to go all the way through. If it I like the Stelling type of thing. It's just little spikes all the way down. To stop large piece sheer off. Yeah. But then you got the danger of eating spikes.

Will you be scared of it? No, but that is like you calling it a spike. You're calling it a spike. This is the chocolate game is a hard game. Because now you've got to remember you've got soft mouth consumers as well. You're calling it a spike.