Hamish & Andy - 2025 Ep 312 - ⁠Taylor Swift Song Sleuth Allegations

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

The world’s biggest music star (and “friend of the show”) Taylor Swift is under the Song Sleuth microscope this week with FIVE allegations. Andy’s been people-watching and brings some of life’s everyday mysteries to the table in Domestic Qs. Extreme Empaths are back, and Hamish shares his favourite part of the week - “nub hunting” - and why Zoe has temporarily banned both him and Sonny from doing it. Plus, we check in with listener Sam for a Gusto Check - the legend who first dropped the iconic phrase, “Gusto to you.” 1. Song Sleuth - Taylor Swift 2. Domestic Qs 3. Extreme Empaths 4. Nub hunting 5. Gusto check - The original ‘gusto to you’ 

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Brevis Jack or Brevis Hamish. Aoi to me brevis. I don't mind going first. Yeah, but you, Jack, can be the brevus. Ahoy to me brevis, Jack. Ahoy, Andy. Is it mispronounced kettle brands? Yeah, I felt my head went to a brevah like a toast maker.

No. Ahoy to me, Tertius. Hame. I don't know. Are we the names of like gargoyles in mythology? This feels like the names of the three monsters somewhere. I'm the longest. The longest.

You wish, mate. Certainly not with that IP. You've got a Severian bladder, mate. Well, you're not the longest. This, I thought Hain would get it. Is it more into this? Is it stars? Is it constellations?

It's fibularis muscles. It's all the muscles that go around the fibula. Yeah, well, no one's going to know that unless they're a physio. Well, physios will be yelling at their. Screaming, you're the longest. But I just feel, you know, Hames's always going and getting something changed, isn't he? Like, he's always going to be a physical appointment. I would have had a needle for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the longest needle. I would have the longest needle for sure. I would have had electroshock therapy through my fibularis. 100%. Longest feels like the kind of, the other ones sound like properly named. Longest feels like they ran out of ideas. It feels like it is just the longest muscle. And it is.

I'm surprised one of them is not the mediums. Ahoy also to Henry, Rick. Big Smith, who went to hamishnody.com to tell us what he's going to do. On you, mate. Oh, boy, boys. Henry from Sydney here. Just a quick message for Andy. I recorded this cover shortly after the original was released. Hopefully it's still popular by the time this uploads.

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And sucks To top it in Just looking forward to the chorus here Give up andy leave Gotcha You don't have to be Such a Sick horny weaver

Good. Good. Set your lungs free. Good. I've got to be honest. I'm going to start betting them. I think for a second I was like, where is this going? I do recognise this song and I don't know what song it is,

but to weave in the weaver. Coming it from all angles. IPs, weavers. I don't smoke. Beautiful tune. Yeah. I don't smoke. Everybody haven't had one today.

Well, someone saw you. pushing into a smoke mart at 4.59 p.m. And they, they, their words, not mine at all, described to us, stink morning. No questions to answer there, but someone very famous has got a few questions to answer ham. And the biggest release this week was Taylor Swift with a new album, The Life of a Showgirl.

I've never had so many direct messages and emails come in for people's song-sloathing the album. so I've got them for you today This sounds like this sounds like this sounds like this sounds like this If this sounds like that I'm your man Andy Lee Five tracks were identified Hang on this is a nightmare scenario for Swift and her people

Yep the week of release they even one track being on your radar could sink an artist sink them And to have five charge is bought against her. This is not the launch party she would have been hoping for. And she is, I think we can still call her a friend of the show. She hasn't appeared for many years. Her star has risen significantly since she would come in and play acoustics.

Not like the beautiful piece we just heard, but her own music. Her own music. I can't see her coming in to do an acoustic of Zika Winnie Weaver. No, she would definitely require that person that stands behind the celebrities going, you remember these two. and then she would, and telling her our name. God, it's so good to see you again. And then she'd do, yeah, that thing.

Where they go, oh my gosh, good to see you. Last time we were doing this, weren't we? Even that was seven years ago and they'd never remember. Well, brief. Hey, Hame, because she is a friend of the show, I've dropped two. I've dropped two charges. Straight up. And that's how it should be.

Yeah. That is how the criminal justice system was always meant to be. Yeah. And I think it's just got so caught up in its rules and regs now. We just rarely see the friendship charge drop. Exactly. So there's two that I also just don't want to go. No contest, but I'll show you what people were talking about.

But again, I wouldn't prosecute it. I would turn to them and say, hey, I need something more solid than this. This is her latest single. It's called The Fate of Ophelia. Have a listen. Jack did a little nod along I was just vibing with the track

I mean it's Taylor Swift It's going to be good music I was actually thinking I could play that on piano Sounds doable You don't know how to play piano No but it just doesn't sound like too many notes No

It wasn't too many notes But apparently it sounds a lot like Our good Australian buddies Rufus del do soul Yeah Have a listen Let's have a listen to Taylors again. Yeah. She's got that interesting bit at the end.

Yeah, she does put something else on to go, I haven't stolen the design for your hat because I've put a flap on it. That's how the Legionaire's hat was born. Yeah, exactly. After the baseball bastards came after them. but is this the one you're dropping or is this one you're dropping that you're dropping that okay and I think this is why I would drop that one you guys know more about this because you've studied the theory of music

where I've only ever studied the feeling of it but I think did you study the theory of music I didn't know okay you would have at school when you of course how'd you learn guitar I mean my cousin taught me guitar but we did lessons I did guitar lessons okay you've been taught music so true or false and you've composed music music, Jack. So you've written songs. You've created original tunes as having you end up. I don't write it down in sheet music or anything. But you know the process of

coming up with a song. True or false, once you start with one note, you don't then have infinite choices for the next note. Like, you start down the track of like, say you just wrote down, doong, doong, right? Those four notes, it becomes more and more obvious where you should go from there. Sounds like two notes, by the way. Well, four, like, dung, dung, dung, like three are the same, and then you go down. Yeah. But you're not just going to go to any old note after that. You're kind of into a pattern, and I think that's where Rufus and Taylor would have found themselves just to go, well, you know, we're really just following the logical choices from here.

True. We can't be, we can't be said. They record progressions, and then you say talk about you have to naturally resolve a progression, which means you have to go to that next step. You know the words for it. I'm just talking about the feeling of it. Okay. Anyway, drop that one. Dropped.

Taylor Swift has another track on her album called Wood. This is what it sounds like. Okay. I already know where this is going. What are you thinking? Jackson Five, isn't it? Yeah, Jackson Five. Jack nodded his head to both.

Now, I don't know if that just... Jack's acting like he's a music producer over there. Just basically, like someone's brought in some demo tracks. And he is making the bold call in the music game of going, you know what? Both Taylor Swift and the Jackson Five have good tunes to me. So, ballsy position to take. Yeah, I do feel like that was more of a copy.

And really, without even having all the fun baseline that the Jackson 5 one has, but just that guitar. It's the dingling of the guitar. It's a jihang, chagang of the guitar. Sorry again, I don't know the correct terms. I'm just saying I know the feeling. I think that one's further away. Do you want to have one more listening? This is Taylor again.

I think what happens, is your brain is trying to put the baseline in from the Jackson 5 while you listen to that. Yeah. That technique of playing the guitar, is that a... What move is that, Jack? You play... It's really...

It's just a rhythm is the same as the other one. Gotcha. Is there a special way you hold your fingers to make that noise, or is that... No, no, it's just holding a court, yeah. Well, you actually pull your fingers slightly off to get that sound, and then you push them back down to get the chord. Okay, that's what I was feeling.

So, but like, did Jackson Five invent that, or is that just a move that's available to everyone? No, everyone can do that. Yeah, so again, no, Taylor, I'm streaking that one as well. So I'm dropping both of those. I'm dropping both of those. And then arguably there is some case there. So these ones, these three of bigger.

But does heat rise each time because you've dropped one, you've dropped one? it feels like, you know, when a team doesn't get a free kick for a while and then they get like a medium level one? That's true. If you were, if we had a team here, I'd say if you plead guilty to one, we'll drop the other four charges is probably the way you go about it.

Can I just say before we get into this, are we a situation here where we've done all the sounds, we've run out of sounds? And it was new, like Sabrina Carver will bring out a song, we all go, oh, that's new, that's great. I'm just saying, the further we go down this path, the closer to being true my statement is we're getting closer and closer to the singularity where all the noises have been made in all the patterns this is the title track that's why

I think it's extra dangerous for her because she's she's drawing attention to it but maybe she's Taylor Swift there's going to be attention you're not going to hide you're not going to squeeze a track out that everyone forgets to listen to you can hide them and you know track nine can't you jack you can hide the ones that that's true I've only listened to about Half the album. Yes, Jack, but you're not the target market. I'm saying, Andy, when you release an album, you and your brother's band,

you can hide a track. She's Taylor Swift. There's been only about three we're happy with. Life of a show got, this is, well, maybe she's trying to hide in plain sight. Yep. She's trying to get ahead of it. But this is the song.

Hey, thank you for the lovely bouquet. It's sweeter than a beach, but you don't know the life of a show girl, babe. And you're never ever going to wait. That's that one. This is the Jonas Brothers. So she's going after not one, but three. I think they're her friends.

This is it. Have to the bottom just cool. Have a little bit of that I do. Damn it. I feel so cool. Who, who, who, cool, who is that you. Mm. If preemptively covered her.

assholes. Sorry, they're not friends. I think I just realized that. She used to date one of them, and she? Maybe they are friends. I just remember that when Taylor played in Sydney, whenever it was, whenever the year's tour was,

the Jonas brothers were playing the next weekend. That was a real scheduling error. And I saw them at a restaurant having lunch the day before they show and they looked sad. And I did later hear that they had struggled to sell tickets. because, of course, everyone was like, well, we've spent our money. We went out last week, we had our allocated concert time, and we chose Taylor. And surely, you can't be too angry at us for that.

It was the greatest tour of all time. Y-O-Y did you book an arena the next weekend after Taylor was in town? And I think that's why they look so sad. Well, they've got an extra reason to be sad today. So obviously, we've put this one through the lab. Mashi has done a mash-up. You're going to hear Taylor, followed by one of the Jonas Brothers, the one that sings. They don't quite

They're sweeter than a peach boy The life of a soul girl Hey And you're never ever going to They don't quite go together Do they? Donkey zebra scenario Mostly

Half a donkey, half a zebra I think she's done the same thing again Where she's changed the end She's put the legendary's The flap on the cap Now she's put a flat up on the brim because no one's ever seen this kind of hat before. It's starting very similar.

I think. Very similar. I think guilty, personally. I mean, is she talking about this? What do you mean? Are you worried that you, I mean, Hames be coming into a shell, isn't it? You're worried about slandering? Are you worried about slander?

Is that what you're scared? No, I'm worried about slander. I mean, I'm just shocked that her, no one around her. I would have thought Taylor is not surrounded by yes people. What? I reckon that she'd be surrounded by yes people. people. But I think,

well, I don't know. I feel like she's better than that. I feel like she's more down to earth.

She'd be open to the feedback. But I guess I'm saddened to feel that maybe the people around her didn't have the guts to speak up.

They just didn't know this. They don't, because she's writing all her own music, isn't she? Oh, no. She collaborates a lot of people.

Okay. Okay. So you reckon one of them have accidentally snuck it in. Well, probably felt the pressure. Probably the pressure is like,

I'm sitting in three hours and I haven't come up with anything. We've got a message from Taylor Swift's management going she wants to collaborate with Cool Boys on the front man. You're telling me that we wouldn't go, this is huge for us if we can get a song through. And we've only ever done covers,

so that's all we know. Can't blame us, we're a well-known cover band. I'm beginning to suspect that someone she collaborated with has come in with a back pocket full of sounder likes and snuck it past Taylor. So we're going to let that, we'll let Taylor off this time.

Well, I'd like to know who she collaborated with on that one. If there was anything, and I would be pointing the finger at them, I sense of shadow actor. Because Taylor, let's not forget, has come up to this point, has been one of the most original artists of her generation. I don't think we've ever had her on songs left. Yeah. It also says it doesn't matter how powerful you get,

we will put it under the microscope, but it turns out we think everything's fine. At a cellular level, it turns out to be fine. Did you have more that you were charging, or is that the biggest crime? That was the biggest one. Okay. Oh, when she walked.

She's friends with Andy. Hey, I often look at other people and go, what are they doing in their life that I'm not doing? Are they getting ahead? Are they the same as me? You're in an apartment building at the moment, aren't you? Yeah, sorry, just look straight across. Yeah, okay. You're at the windows.

This is a man that's got some binoculars and is looking at another apartment building. Just what are their lives like? Domestic questions. Hence, what are to start? a segment today, but those ponderings bring it to the group. Keeping Andy. Domestic cues with Andy Lee. Join today by his close friends, Hamish Blake, and Jack Post. Great to be here.

Yes. First one. Sorry, domestic cues is in questions. Yeah. Yeah, great. Name we can change. Well, it's over. It's not coming back.

Do you think he meant cues like lining up? I think so. Or cues is in like social cues. Like someone gives you a cue. Do you share a bottle with your friend? A bottle. If your friend wants a sip of your drink. Yeah.

If I said, hey, hey, I'm, can I have a sip of your Coke? Would you give me a sip of your Coke? Yeah, I'll give you a sip of my Coke. I mean, crazy to think that COVID changed that, but I think we're coming back now to go out, go for it, have a sip. You know what comes from my head? Mninija Cockle. Was that big when you guys were kids or was I in a real era?

What, from a Coke? Ninja Cockle, any sharing? of drinks, you get meningococcal. What? No. We dodged that. When I was in primary school, that was... You don't share a drink. If I said, can I have a sip of your drink?

I would think my first thought would be meningoccal danger. Really? Interesting that, because in that scenario, you assume Andy has meningococcal. So you're not really concerned that he has this deadly brain swelling disease. Your more...

Your first thought isn't like, oh no, if that's true, Andy's done for, your first thought is protect the host at all costs protect well it's not going to do any better if we both have it you win the will he's going to win 50 grand his first thought should be you little beauty

why don't you get out of the train station and have as many sips as you can happy so I would be fine with you having a sip my drink Jack you say you wouldn't give me a sip Naturally, I would be hesitant to... You can have a sip of mine. I wouldn't have it back the other way. So once I've sipped, you wouldn't drink again.

What about a straw? Would you pour some out for Andy? Yeah, yeah, you can have it. What if he bought his own straw, drank? Or would you be concerned that some went back down into the drink? I don't know how Minja Cocker works, but sharing drinks was very frowned upon when I was in school. Really?

What year were you born? 87. Right, we just missed it. So, Hey, you and I would. give each other a drink. Mate, back when we were at school, it was just a free-for-all. If anyone had a Coke, if anyone had like a, you know, had 375 mils of Coke, it was expected that all 30 children in that class

would have about 10 mils each. And you'd yell up the guy, no backwash. No backwash, because that was the idea that they'd put it in their mouth and somehow when you don't understand drinking when you're young. You put your whole mouth around a bottle. You'd just let the water or the liquid come back into the can. Yeah, so you'd ask that. Where is the level of friendship hand where you would have,

let someone have a drink. You're letting Carly have a sip? Yeah, Carl's, you can have a sip if you want. I mean, we are all grown-ups here. It's funny, this feels very school-yard. It does feel school-yard. Like, for someone going, hey, can I have a sip of your drink? They're not thirsty.

They just want the flavour. And that's what primary school was about. You were like, can I have a sip you a fan? Well, there's a bubbler over there. This isn't a thirst issue. I need the taste. Generally, when you're hanging out with adults, and I'd say most of our friends are in there.

30s and 40s. Should we wish to, we can all get ourselves a Coke. Well, here's the scenario that made me think of this. Half time at hockey, I hadn't bought myself a drink bottle. Okay. We get to the side. Well, that's a first base thing. My closest mate and the team, Beza,

yep. Hey, goes, hey, mate, have a drink of mine. I drink from it. If one of the players I am not that friendly with had asked me to have a sip, I think I would have felt a bit weirder about it. That's a new thing, because that's someone making you drink their drink. No, he's like, I was thirsty. But still share it, like, either way, you're sharing it with someone you do or you don't know.

Like, if a stranger came up to you on the street and you were drinking a drink, would you share it with them? Well, I'm at Whipper, right? He's often, he's hungry and thirsty lots. He's just well known that if, you know, like, if he's at our place for barbecue, I've been known to hide the prosciutto before it's time for everyone to have a turn of having some of the prosciutto. So he'll often go, can I have a sip? He'll ask for a sip, but he's got quite an advance move where he pours it from a great height into his gullet and he'll never touch.

I've always been impressed the way he does. I've never seen anyone do that. I think maybe he's just learned because I'm someone that likes to have lots of sips of people's drinks. I'll show them I'm a responsible sipper and hopefully the word will spread and people will share more drinks with me. I just found it confusing in my mind

that the close of the friend, I'm happy for them to drink out of it. Yeah, that makes sense. I drink it. I mean, I just consume gallons of the kids spit, probably. I'm just a secondary

inhaler of all their food and drinks. There would be a line in my friendship group. I would not do it to other children yet. That it continues along and it kind of gets into a vague acquaintance area. And that's the cut off. I don't really want you having a sip. Do you know what you just discovered, Ando?

Who to invite to your wedding or not? I think you actually just discovered the algorithm, didn't you? you're putting together the list and you're uming and aring and it's not going to be many people jack's on an absolute knifehead and you probably yeah that's a good point i think you'd share your drink with me if i was a drink shareer no he's not being strong about getting manager cockle now we can't get enough of your drink and they keep coming in um so we should Make all the other extreme empaths feel good about themselves and know that it's a safe place on this show.

Let's jump into it. It's our opener, of course, every single song in the world. All the noises in the world. No one's left out. Do you want me to go first? Yeah, go for it. This is from Rose. She goes extreme empath guys.

I recently moved our lounge room around so that the room had a more open vibe. Cool. Because the couch has moved, the TV now faces a different direction. I worry that the pictures on the wall of my great-grandparents, sad because they can no longer see the TV from their vantage point. Yes. It's like they can hear it, but they won't be able to see subtitles, which will be disappointing for them.

Sure. It was probably scaring him a bit, being a technology that maybe was invented after their death. Yes, so yeah, that's nice. So that might be making them feel better, that they're now not as freaked out by it. Absolutely. We've got kind of a reverse one here, Ando.

This is from Ed, from the Netherlands. He says, right before a big deadline the other week, my computer keyboard decided to give up on me, leaving me unable to finish the work in time. I have since replaced it with a new keyboard, but I keep the old one on my desk, so it has to watch, reflect, and think about the chaos of course. That is a bit of averse one. It's the only way I'll learn. You don't do that often in real life, do you, where you get replaced,

but then you have to stay at the workplace and see how much better the new guy is at the job. This is why we got rid of you. I would love that, actually. There's certain people we've worked with over time where when they've been replaced, I've gone, gee, this person can actually do the job. It'd be nice for them to wander back in and go,

hey, have a look. Or like, Hoyt's getting jackback. Can you like, see these boys? Look at how they just give all the change over to the customer. They keep none for themselves. Allegedly. Allegedly. This is from Alex,

extreme empath. I pump my boobs for breastfeeding and one boo is definitely way more productive than the other. On my tracking app, though, I consistently submit the quantity as 50-50 split. It's all coming from the same tank. Across the left and the right, I certainly don't want to embarrass the other boob or make it feel bad that it's not producing as much. You don't want it to give up overnight. Just feel like, well, if you're always playing favourites and what's the point of it being here? Wake up and it's not there.

You know what? I'm out. I'm out of here. You love Lefty so much. Let's see you feed the whole baby from Lefty. Ando, this comes in from Elliot. He's in the UK. Now, you might need a bit of special information here, but I'm happy to provide it.

Because I'm an extreme empath. I always have been always will be. Weirdly, I have very little empathy for humans, which might be the case for extreme empath. Maybe they're using it all on inanimate objects. I often find myself thinking about this one, and it makes me sad, mega blocks, which for those that don't know,

they're kind of imitation Lego. Okay. Similar, but they're not official Lego, and I can go into the reasons why they're deeply inferior. I'm also contractually, I'm not allowed to ever hold them, be photographed with them. Of course.

Or certainly not promote them in any way. Yes. It makes me sad that they're never going to be as popular as Lego. Well, I can tell you why, Elliot again. It's the chemical makeup. They don't have the great clutch power and they are inferior. Whenever a kid opened, Megablocks as a present, they're always

a little bit disappointed that it's not Lego. It's not the Megablocks fault. They just want to be loved and played with. Again, Elliot, it is the megablox fault. I might have been it to realize this one too much. I like it. This is from Sachi. I've always

known that I'm an extreme empath, but last night was a severe case. I was making dinner and decided to turn on the heater in the lounge room so I could read a book afterwards. Anyway, fast forward an hour and I was locking the house before going to bed and I stumbled across the warm room I'd forgotten about. With guilt, I turned off the heater and made my way to bed. After five minutes of lying there, I couldn't bear to think the heater had heated up the room

and went to all that effort to warm it for me. So I got out of bed and went to the lounge room and read until the room became cold again. I mean, there's also a cost factor there to that. You'd be like, look, I've paid for this heat. Yes. And might as well absorb some of it into my skin. I'd have that all the time when I've ordered food. And I'm like, I've ordered way too much.

But I've paid for it now. I have to be a glutton. Something has to be eaten here. Speaking of eating, this is a whopper, but I think it needs to all be read. Great. Tim, who's in France, he said, my girlfriend and I, we work on a river barge in the Burgundy region of France. we take mostly American tourists

up and down the canals of the area where they eat and drink fancy French food and wine while working on the boat we eat about 90% of the same food as the guests and drink whatever wine habits to not be drunk by the guests so I don't know if they're eating it off the plate but I think it's just sort of same kitchen and I guess being mostly American

they're very well off they're not concerned about getting fairly for money and out of every last part in glass and they almost always have leftover food on their plate and the cruise throws it into the river throws the food into the river So to feed the, he points out here, the pescifona. So feed the fish. Yep.

So it's good for the fish to throw all the food into the river. At the conclusion of the main meal, but before the dessert of each lunch, we always serve a local cheese to round out the culinary experience. That is the French custom. You always finish with a cheese dish. It must be very nice. There's often cheese left over that makes us way into the fridge of the crew, and it's not thrown out overboard because cheese obviously lasts a lot longer

and it's too good, it's too tempting for the crew to throw it overboard. and they just keep it. Now, admittedly, he says, well, the fish eat very well from the liftovers we throw to them. I often picture them being French fish, sitting disappointed at the bottom of the canal when the meal is not followed by a cheese course,

as is the traditional French way. So each meal, after we throw over the leftover food, I secretly go and cut off a piece of cheese, breaking it into several small pieces and then furtively tossing the cheese into the river after all the leftovers have been tossed in so the fish can finish their meal in the customary fashion. Now, that's not empathy for an inanimate object,

but that is a deep level of feeling for a fish you must be fed degastations. Like, I assume these fish are pretty happy eating a worm. Happy. But when Tim and his girlfriend are cruising, they will get the full course. I want to introduce you to something that's going on at my house, but I might happen at yours, but I'm sure it happens at some houses.

Nub hunting. What's a nub? Let me explain. In our house, I would say we have a medium to high consumption of bread. We've got school lunches, we've got toast. We've got a pretty, probably a pretty regular flow of bread. Are you just going one to white, by the way? You're just going plain white?

Yeah, like like kids bread. We have kids bread and we have grown-ups bread. And so the kids' bread, It is just, you know, that's your supermarket loaf. And that's what's getting pumped out for school lunches and kids toast. Once a week, this is a little bit of a self-reporting, must be nice. We get a loaf, sometimes it's sourdough loaf, sometimes it's a mech, if you're familiar with it. It's just a nice cut of bread.

It's like a cob loaf that's not sliced. That's just a fresh bakery bread. That's how you know it's good. That's how you know it's good. And that's once a week. And that's for mum and dad. It was for mum and dad, and the kids, but a very clear delineation you guys are having the square stuff. Yes.

That's a mum and dad loaf. When it's fresh and you cut the nub off the end, and then you eat it just with butter, that could be my favourite part of the week. Excluding, but this is also a fun day of the week. The nub is the best. It fills me with the... Why people don't like the nub? No, no, no. You don't understand the loaf that you're...

I know the loaf. sourdough loaf like a No, but you wouldn't run after the end of a of a white bread that you're getting from the supermarket. No, that's duck food. Yes. No, this, I'm talking about the nub of a well-baked loaf, a cob.

Let's just go a sourdough. I like the nub, but I'm just saying not. I don't know if you do to even imagine that no one would like it. No, a lot of people don't like the end crust, too crusty. Beck doesn't like a nub, for instance. Well, then be braver. Have more powerful teeth. Because the loaf, the loaf we're buying, it's like almost a caramel-y, chewy crust.

Yeah. It's phenomenal. And you put it with a lot of butter and you just have a little moment by yourself in the kitchen and you just go, what a day. I'm having a great day. I'm nub at it. I'm nub at it. I'm nub in life. The thing is, there's two nubs on a loaf. Yeah. And if you have so much fun eating one nub, imagine the fun is right there to have the other nub. This is probably verging it to upset anti-territy. After I've finished consuming the nub, I will look down the other end of the loaf and go, well, do we go again? Yeah.

We enjoyed it so much the first time. Do we keep this party going? And once you've tasted, once you've got like nub coursing through your veins, it's very hard to stop. So I will then cut the other nub off and I'll have a little nub party for dad. Zoe does not appreciate this because now the bread is going stale from. two ends. And I've been told, you've got to stop double nubbing. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

We only buy one of these a week, and now the air is getting in from both ends. And the, like, the bench life of the sourdough is like three days, maybe four days. The problem is, if you wait until you've eaten all the bread, and then the nub is your prize, it's not fluffy. No. And it's not. Yeah, it's a stale nub. It might not be a stale nub, but there's nothing like the taste of first day bread.

The problem is, Sonny, my 11-year-old, he is aware of the nub. I shouldn't have let him see how much pleasure it was giving me, but he's seen how delicious a nub is. Now he's nub hunting. And things are getting a little out of hand at home. It's a bit, this happens in nature. The young bull takes a shot at the old dog. Absolutely.

His horns are growing and we are locking horns over a lot of different animals in this analogy, but let's just settle with dears or in parlors. And we're butting heads over who has nub rights. I've got a lot of arguments on my side of the fence. We already have bread for you. You have the square bread. This is the grown-up's bread. I don't think you jor can handle it.

I paid for it. But he's sneaking in. He's sneaking in and he's getting the nub. And then the other day he got two. nubs. He was. He double nubbed before I could even get to the loaf. And that, that's like crashing the family car.

You know, I was just so shocked. I was like, what, what have you done? What have you? This is not the boy I raised. You've come and stolen both nubs. It is exactly me. It's exactly the boy. And that's often the stuff that affects us the most because it's exactly our personality.

They say, mate, this is, he goes, I'm loving it. Dad, I love the nub. I don't get it. I love the nub. it's a very big deal for me. I think you just like the knife. Then, this is the kicker. So we've tried to have a bit of a nub truce.

Okay, we'll go one for one. And I was like, you know, we both know it has to happen on the fresh day. It's like 300% better on the fresh day. The other day I walk in. And again, if you can imagine, it's like a football-shaped loaf, right? Like obviously, like an oval flat football. He, very smart boy, very proud of him for this, but angry at him at the same time, has figured out there's two nubs.

Oh, top nub. It's actually four nubs if you go on the side. So he's cut the sides off as well. And I'd be like, and I hold the bread on and go, what is this? And he goes, did you know there's four? There is four nubs. There are not as nubby, but it's, it's, it's, there are the edges of the bread. There are maximum kind of crust to bread dispersion.

Well, that would, Zoe wouldn't have taken that. I was those furious as well. now. We're actually on a two, we're currently, currently serving a two week suspension because of the lack of respect we've showed to the bread. So both Sonny and I are biting our time until the next loaf makes it in the house. And it's just, it is going to be a nub fest. I don't, I wouldn't put it past him to shave the top off your right, and I don't, to almost just peel the whole bread of crust like an orange. We eat the whole thing at once. Haim, this email fell on my side of the fence.

Hamishnanty.com, if you ever want to get in touch with us about anything. Comes from Mark. He wants to nominate his friend Sam for a gusto check. Sam is a pretty, we has a significant role in the history of gusto, does he not Ando? Exactly. Mark says Sam, his friend, was the caller who first said and gusto to you during an upset, Andy. Have a listen back to this. Sam has got something to upset you.

Ahoy, Sam. Ahoy, boys. Gusto to you? Gusto to you. That's great. I don't know if we've done that before, but it feels very, it's like a fun version of handmaid style, isn't it? Under his eye, and gusto to you.

So it made sense that we should circle back, complete the circle and go, okay, if he's the one that's throwing a gusto to you, hopefully in his workplace, he's bringing the gusto. Yeah, how's his gusto? Hey, I'm a tough assignment for you because we're in, he works at a place called iterate, tech recruiting. Your job's to call them.

I'll give you some details here. Mark's suggesting that you pretend to be your candidate for, about a software developer role. Okay. We've got to try and, I think you don't want to get. So I'm someone in software development, so I'm just going to do a little Google here to get some key terms because I don't feel. Don't get in the weeds about the role, mate.

I can just try and do it. No, I'm going to try and get him to talk. I've got to try and ask him some questions. Yes. But what I'm saying is much harder assignment than calling a cafe. Oh, yeah. What's his specials today? What would you recommend?

That's the usual gusto check. So to get gusto from someone in tech recruiting, it's not impossible. I'm just saying the bars a little higher. Have you? Yep, I think I've got a page. Yep. I've got a web page here that says the thing. that one might need for a software development.

Good luck. Jackie, got the number? Hello, Sam, speaking. Hi, good, Sam. My name's Goren Bedard. I got your number from Michael. I bumped into him at a cafe. Yeah.

Is this Sam from iterate? Yes, correct. Sorry, I may have actually, I've just moved down. down from Sydney and looking for a, well, looking for a position, ideally software development, but something in the field. And I heard you guys were the people to talk to. Yes, definitely.

Definitely the person to speak to. What did you say, N-O-R-O-N? G-O-R-N. G-O-N. G-O-N. G-R-O-N. G-R-O-N. Okay, cool.

And what kind of software developer are you? Goran, what are you? What do you do? I have a master's in machine learning from UTS, but I'd love to get, I'd love to get something maybe an agile or scrum. Yeah, what's your coding language of choice? Oh, well, I probably do most of it, you know, Java, C++. I can code in a lot of different things, but I suppose my question for you is,

how many jobs do you guys have on the books? How is that? I mean, this was almost impossible. There's only so much I can do just scrolling up and down Google. Damn it. What gave it away? I thought it early and I was like, if it is a Canada, I can't just be like, you call it pretty early.

I mean, I don't think I said anything. I didn't go, what's in coding language? I didn't go like German. Gusto to you all. Gasto to you. He's too good. He knows. Your gusto was very high.

I will give you that. Even when you thought you were talking to Gorin. And as you did, give us the term and gusto to you, we thought it was only fair to give you a gusto check yourself. All these years later. Now, well, we can only measure it on the initial bits to where you weren't suspicious of Hame. I thought the hello was definitely up vibe.

Jack, what did you? Hi, Gusto, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I gave that. Oh, an eight and eight and a half. It's hard to get a full ten. I'm not even scoring because I was actually meant to be fully in character, but I couldn't help but notice

when I said, are you the right people to come to? The level of gusto and all were definitely the right people to come to, that was super high as well. Yeah. And then the questions after that, well, pretty full on to be honest. I didn't appreciate it because that was where I really felt like you were grilling me. But again, they were said in a night. manner. I feel like we can't, he's doing the right thing by his company. I don't think we can

mark him down on how he certainly turned the hot lamp on you. What should I ever said? I know this isn't the point of it, but what should I have said when you said what language do you program? You convince me. To be honest, I wouldn't ask that question. That was just a barb to be like, I feel like someone's stopping with me here. When you said all of them, I, uh, yeah, that was a pretty big trigger. could have a huge recruitment fish there, mate? Imagine having someone that could do all of them. Sam, I think we can't properly check on the gusto today.

So the test itself is null and void, but we do appreciate you being a part of the show. I mean, Sam, how ready were you for this? I mean, it's been years. Were you expecting this? No, not at all. I do listen to the podcast a lot, so that voice, you probably need to put some sort of voice modifier on it because I was like, oh, I've heard this before. Yeah, yeah, just the stabbing.

Good a day, man. Just want to get a bloody job in programming. Now that, that's what I'll go with next time. Sanjay, thanks, mate. Cheers. Cheers, mate. Gusto to you. Thanks for listening.

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