Handsome - Jon Hamm asks about impactful books

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

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I am a refreshed revived cohost of the handsome pod. I am a refreshed, revived co-host of the handsome pod. I'm your friend, May Martin joined of course by your dear, dear friend Tig Notaro and fortune themester. I love that you're refreshed. Guys, look out, you're gonna be dazzled by my personality. I feel like I've been really a quivery little shrimp the last few apps, I'm gonna be, today it's gonna be explosive.

Wow. When does it get started? Maybe about 20 minutes in, you're gonna notice a spike. You're smiling a lot. Yeah, I'm back in LA, I'm like, I slept a bit. I'm feeling good. Good. That's nice.

We like it when you're refreshed. I wouldn't have said you are a quivery shrimp. Oh, you wouldn't? That wouldn't have been your choice of? No, that's what I said. No. Well, you do seem to have a pep in your step and we like that.

Yeah, I feel like it'll be a process catching up on the sleep deficit, but yeah, I'm feeling good. But going like eating my favorite foods again and like. Ooh, what are your favorite foods? Yeah. Well, microwavable meals, you know, Amy's frozen microwavable mushroom risotto, you know. Oh, what a delicacy.

Couldn't get that in Toronto, huh? I'm sure you can. Yeah, I know you can. It didn't taste the same, right? Doesn't taste the same, you know. They put less chemicals in Toronto. I have a pep in my step, because today is the release of my new Netflix special,

Crushing It. Woo! It's called Crushing It? It's called Crushing It. That's amazing. That's so exciting. I'm very proud, as you guys know, putting out a special. It's a whole long two year, however long process

and just very pumped for people to watch it. I hope people will watch it. It's a whole long two year, however long process. Just very pumped for people to watch it. I hope people will watch it. And is it top secret right now that you're wearing a pink suit? It's not top secret anymore. Word is out. Well, I was said in a pretty little episode that our pod inspired me

because I really love our, not to be vain, but I really love our photo of us, our main handsome photo, because we look very handsome. And I wanted to just, yeah, I wanted to go with that feeling. And so I had a custom-made suit made and- It's pink. It's pink. It's pink.

Very handsome. I even say in the special, if you watch, there are two references to our podcast. So our listeners will have to let us know if they caught either of those. Oh my God. I can't wait. I like, in my mind, you had in your closet,

like a gown picked out to wear and then the suit next to it and you're umming and awing between the two and then you threw the gown out and you went with the suit. That's right. I mean, one of the references is pretty, is like right off the bat.

Really? Mm-hmm. Wow. Oh my. I can't wait for this thing to drop. It's here, baby, today. You know what you should do to promote the special is be a guest on the handsome pod.

That's actually, there I am. Met a idea. Do you think we should do an episode ever where one of us asks the question? Is the question. I'm scared. We'll put it on the list, right, Thomas? You know.

Yeah, put it on the list, Thomas. But for now, put on the list, right, Thomas? You know. Yeah, put it on the list, Thomas. But for now, put on the list, watching my special on Netflix, crushing it. Were you at all influenced by, I think I said early on in the pod, like one of the only things I know about fashion is my mom told me pink is very flattering to your complexion. I held, and I've like held onto it my whole life

where I'm like, you wanna glow? Wear pink. And I think you are glowing. Thank you. Well, I've like held onto it my whole life where I'm like, you wanna glow? Wear pink and I think you are glowing. Thank you. Well, I've wanted something bright that caught people's eye and I do like that our pod has a, we celebrate all, handsome can mean so many things to so many people who are presenting themselves in the way

that is best for them and feels good and is authentic to them. And I like the pink and the suit and the play on just kind of forging your own path of what handsome looks like. That's so cool. I'm a little jealous that I didn't think to do that, but I'm also not filming a special right now.

Yeah, that's right. Yours already came out and it was awesome. When you release something, whether it's like a special or a show or something, how good are you at staying off social? Like, do you read all the reviews and social media and stuff or do you stay off? I read reviews. Yeah, I'll read reviews. If anyone reviews it, I would probably read it just because

they don't review a lot of stand-up. I don't think, I'll read maybe some Instagram comments to see if it's resonating with people or if they like it, but I'm not like scrolling every line. Yeah. Yeah, I don't deep dive on it at all. I'm really curious because I feel like sometimes when there's reviews, I learn things about myself that I was blind to.

Like Tate does her trademark thing where she touches her left shoulder and you're like, do I? Well, yeah, I remember the New York Times did a piece on my Taylor Dane story. Oh yeah. And they said how it was like a signature thing of mine that I repeat things over and over. And I never noticed that. And it's not just in that story. It's in several bits of mine,

jokes, stories, whatever. I never realized that. And anyway, so aside from being curious what people have to say, I do find that I learned things or maybe reviewers say things that maybe I knew deep down and then, you know, and then reading it and I'm like, I think they are right, even if it's like a negative thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I, yeah, I don't, I can't, even if it's just like a post of me with my cat, like I can't deep dive on all of the responses to what people have to say. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because comedy, it's like art, it's subjective, you know? Some people, I know some people are gonna love it

and find it hysterical and other people would hate it. And there's no control over that. I mean, all I try to do is like all of us, when we have a special come out is you just have to get people to watch it because that's the only way to get another one. Yeah, seriously. It's just trying to be that,

there's so many voices of male comics out there and they get so much attention. And I think us trying to get different points of view out there is important. That's why you gotta throw on a pink suit. That's right. Yeah, man. Maybe, you know what? My next special, I'm gonna wear a pink suit.

I know. Seeing you in all pink would be pretty funny. And then May, thank you to your next special in pink. Yes. Are you working on new material, May? Yeah, I'm pumped to have some time. This has been the craziest six months ever, and I'm so pumped to have any time. I have no idea what I wanna say.

Or. So you haven't started writing, you haven't made notes or gone on stage or done a set or anything like that? I haven't done a set in, yeah, about six months, which is the longest I've been maybe since I was a teenager. But before the six months, I had like half an hour of new stuff that I'm gonna go back to that probably isn't relevant to me at all anymore. You know, like that I'm happy.

I saw you were going back up at Largo that that's starting again. Yeah, going back up at Largo and things here and there. Yeah, I'm excited. Well, you're gonna have a lot to say. Oh, man. I got to get into the bear story? I got to, you know, there's a lot to unpack for sure. I love that you're like, boy, am I ever, I've got to get into the bear story. Bear story.

Number one. Number one. And the list ends there. Yeah. If you just talk about bears the whole time, that's still, that's a solid special. Right? If I just narrow it down? I've gotten really into mountain goats lately. Really?

Yeah. Oh, man, you perv. I'm a big fan. Are you really? Yes. I am so deeply obsessed with mountain goats and have been forever. Like whenever I'm driving through the mountains with my family, I always tell my kids, look for mountain goats because they will just be standing

on the wall of a mountain. Like on a vertical ledge. On a vertical, yes, question? I have a question. Go to YouTube. Fortune just raised her hand. Go to YouTube. What is the difference between a goat and a mountain goat? Wait, is this a joke?

Is it just that the goat's on the mountain? Wait, have you not seen a mountain goat, Fortune? I don't, I guess not. Okay, a goat, you can- They look different? I mean, they've got the body of like a barrel, and then they've got like little kind of stick legs, and then cloven hooves, and then they stand on a vertical wall.

They're definitely more majestic and impressive. That does seem hard. It is insane that this animal exists on a wall. Yeah, and like what compels them to do it? Like I guess they're looking for little plants to eat and stuff, but then they've got to get down from there at some point and you never see that part. Oh, oh, well, let me tell you something out here in Toronto. I am not somebody that looks at YouTube or like I,

I'm not in YouTube world. Okay. So I'm in Toronto. I had a couple of days off and they were slow days and I'm telling you, I think about mountain goats all the time. And so one day I thought, while I was in my kitchen, I thought, while I was thinking about mountain goats, I thought, I bet I could find some mountain goats on YouTube.

Hell yeah you could. Yes, and I went over to my computer and I put mountain goats into YouTube and oh boy did that entire day go away. I was watching them jump from vertical wall to vertical wall and zigzag between two mountains. Do you understand? And like land perfectly fine on like a ledge that's as big as a kernel of corn.

And they just stand there. But it gives you hope because it gives me hope because I'm like, we could do anything because these guys don't look like they're built to climb. Like you said, a barrel and some stick legs, like they can barely bend their legs, and yet they're like the most agile. Not to bring up bears again, but bears, wild cats, eagles drag these animals away. Oh my God. And they just live on a wall.

Anyway, I'll move on, but how did I get to this? I'm not sure. I don't know. I know you just said you're a fan of Mountain Goats. Yeah, I'm always trying to wedge it in somewhere. Oh, I was talking about it on stage because the day that I just an entire day went to me looking at Mountain Goats, and I am not exaggerating. Oh, thank you for that. Were you trying to sneak in the sound? I'm trying to adjust something and I just hit my sound effects.

You hit your Cinderella noise? That's the sound of a day evaporating through the Mountain Goats. That's what Fortune's gas sounds like. Oh, sounds like this. Now, listen. Okay, so after I watched Mountain Goats all day, I had a show at Comedy Bar here in Toronto, and I went up there, and as soon as I walked on stage,

I was just so full of mountain goat energy and I just started ranting and raving about him. And- Are you a Capricorn? Good question. You mean like with- Like is your star sign Capricorn? No, no, I'm Aries.

Okay, okay. Wait, as opposed to what Tig? Wait, what do you mean as opposed to? You were like, am I Capricorn in what way? Well, yeah, I guess I was pretty sure that you meant that in astrology. But what are you, May? What kind of Capricorn do you think I am?

Did you think I said Capula, like in Romeo and Juliet? Listen, I was still thinking about mountain goats. Right, sorry. What's your sign, May? T Listen, I was still thinking about mountain goats. Right, sorry. What's your sign? Taurus, I'm the bull. Okay, and Fortune, what are you? I'm a cancer. Don't say that about yourself.

And Thomas, you're June, right? Is that Gemini? No. You're May. He's shaking his head. I'm a Virgo. Wait, are you May? Virgo is September?

September. That's hot. Most of the- I knew it, it's September. September 7th. Six. Six. Definitely Virgo.

Well, we just met. People that I've been in love with have been Virgos. Like most of the people have been between kind of mid August and end of September. Really significant relationship for me. I've been in love all over the place. Tiga, I think you should get a mountain goat tattoo or something like, I think the way I'm electrified

by bears right now, you're lighting up about these goats and I think you need to lean in. Okay, well, I'm not a tattoo person, I'll be honest. Yeah, me neither. I'm just not, you know, I don't, I just don't want a tattoo on my body. Yeah, that's fair. I don't want the pain.

I can't even claim that I'm terribly attracted to tattoos either. I think they look cool on people, but like, I'm not like, oh, I gotta get myself a tatted up lady, you know? Mm-hmm. Oh, I got to get myself a tatted up lady. Some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking Allstate First.

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And I got it because this woman, I was like 16 and she was older and she drew it on my wrist in a kind of flirtatious way. And I got it tattooed to surprise her. I'm sorry. Flirtatious drawing oatmeal, oh, writing the word oatmeal on you or drawing a bowl of oatmeal on you? Also terrible flirting. Yeah, neither is very flirtatious, but she was like. What do you think of this bowl of oatmeal? What about overnight oats, Mae?

Have you ever had oatmeal with raisins in them? Oh my gosh, sexy fortune. Oh my God, if I close my eyes. Do you like cinnamon or brown sugar in your oatmeal? Go to YouTube and look at Fortune's sexy face. Yeah, also I don't know why I said if I close my eyes. I wanna see this, that's part of it. May, don't know why I said if I close my eyes. I wanna see this, that's part of it. Yeah, Mae, don't close your eyes.

You wanna have some oatmeal with this. Oh my God. That's what Jax gets? Yeah, baby. Oh my God. Do you ever do that in her ear, right in her ear? No, she would be horrified. As am I, as am I.

You're not turned on, Tig? Mm-mm, mm-mm. All right, to each their own. But I always remember that when, so this woman was trying to help me choose a tattoo, and so she was drawing like different options, and one of the ones she drew that I was close to getting was a seatbelt across my whole chest.

What? It was truly- I would get that over oatmeal. Really? A seat belt. That is such a funny idea. That's a big one. I almost want that.

But that's good. And then would you have the buckle on there too? Yeah, I'm sure around my hip would be the buckle. That is a large tattoo. I know. That's a good one. Whose idea was that? It was hers. And I was so on the fence about whether to get that or tattoo. I know. That's a good one. Whose idea was that? It was hers and I was so on the fence about whether to get that or oatmeal.

Thank God I went with the tiny oatmeal. No, no. Oh my God, have you had a seatbelt? That is so good. You're all about safety. All about safety. Buckle up. Click it or tick it.

That would be under the seatbelt. Click it or tick it. Yeah, you get pulled under the seatbelt. Click it or tick it. Yeah, you get pulled over by the cops, you take your shirt off, you're like, I was buckled. You rip your shirt open. Okay, so I'm neck deep in mountain goat life, you're neck deep in bear life.

What about you, Fortune, it can't be Biggie. It can't be Biggie. It can't be Biggie. No, because of course.. It can't be Biggie. No, because of course. It's a neck deep in Biggie. Yeah, no. Baby bear. You need like an animal energy that you're channeling for this last section of the year.

Yeah. Okay. I'll think about it. Especially the special coming out. The pink, to me, says flamingo. Like, is that as sexy? Flamingos are very sexy. Don't get Fortune talking sexy again.

Because flamingos are the sign of swingers. Are they really? Yeah. I talked about it in my last special, Good Fortune. I said that there's ways you can let people know that you're a swinger and flamingos in your yard is one of those signs, which gets very confusing in Florida and at my mom's house.

So wait, you can just swing by someone's house? If you see it for swingers, if you see a flamingo in the yard, you can just go ring a ding. I don't think swingers means that you can just swing by, that anyone can swing by. There's more to it. It's a flamingo or upside down pineapples.

Hello. Hello. Pineapple together. Upside down. Upside down. Interesting. Yeah, I don't know why upside down, but that's a sign of swingers. I didn't even, this, I just heard about it.

Now, Fortune, would you ever consider being a swinger? And what is a swinger? Like you're in couples and you trade off? I think so, like keys in the bowl. Is it that specific or is it just like we'll hook up? I think it's like a key party, right? Wait, what is a key party? I don't even know what that is.

Here are the rules. Everybody. Tell us in your sexy voice. Please tell us sexy. Everybody, okay, welcome to our party. This is the key party. Now- Wait, this isn't sexy. This is not the same voice you did.

She's giving rules. She got really shy all of a sudden. Yeah. I'm very shy all of a sudden. Yeah. I'm very shy. The night is young. So here's what's gonna happen. Yeah, here we are. Is that better?

Yeah. Here's what's gonna happen. Everybody's gonna take their car keys out, okay? And some people have the keys where the keys, like you can like murder someone with the key. And then there's other keys where the thing goes into the thing can, like, murder someone with the key, and then there's other keys where the thing goes into the thing and it's just a rectangle, it doesn't matter.

The key that you put in the bowl represents you. Now what you're gonna do is you're gonna put your hand into the bowl like you're pulling out a number, and when you grab your keys, you're gonna say, his keys are these? And then the person whose keys they are, guess what, you're gonna fuck. I couldn't say it.

You're gonna have sexual relations. You did say it. What do you mean you couldn't say it? You said it. I said it say it. You didn't have sexual relations. You did say it. What do you mean you couldn't say it? You said it. I said it, okay. You kind of knew it came all the way out. You kind of wheezed it. I wheezed it.

That's happened as a keyboard. So you pull the keys out and that's who you're with. That's a swinger party, baby. So you gotta make sure. No fugs. That you're with. That's a swinger party, baby. So you gotta make sure. No fugs. That you're into every. I mean, I don't. You gotta be careful with that guest list.

And I don't drive, so I'm gonna have to be putting in. You gotta. You can put in your house key. Just take a key, it doesn't matter. Okay, so with swingers, I thought swingers were like, I thought that was two couples, and then you kinda do-si-do with the- Swap.

Yeah. Listen, there's no rules to swinging. Yeah, I guess that- I think that's also allowed, swapping partners. Okay, so we're thinking flamingo may be too confusing if that's your energy for now. No, I'm- Oh, you're in?

It's fun. Okay. Wait, you're into the idea of swingering? No, I haven't done that, but I like flamingos. I Okay. Wait, you're into the idea of swangering? No, I haven't done that, but I like flamingos. I know, but are you into the idea of it? I don't, this isn't, this isn't a lights off body, you know what I mean? Well, no one said anything about the lights.

Yeah. Even if it's like swingers are like. We're talking about your desires. I know, but I think they're the ones that are lights on, baby. Anything goes, we're poking holes. Right. Whoa. And then what if Jax came to you and said,

I would like to check something out and swing myself over yonder. I don't know. Swing myself over yonder. Yeah. Oh my God. I don't know. You'd have to cross that bridge. Yeah, cross that flamingo bridge. We'd have to get a stair perell on the phone and be like a stair. Oh yeah, she'd be good cross that bridge. Yeah, cross that flamingo bridge. You'd have to get Esther Perel on the phone

and be like, Esther. Oh yeah, she'd be good to talk to. How do we navigate this? And she'd be like, what would it feel like to you? What would you feel? That nothing passed. See, okay, that's the key to Tig's pants is to be Esther. Esther.

Fortune's sexy voice did nothing for you, but if I did Esther, maybe. Take it over there, throw it up, and I did it. Yeah, but if I did a stare, maybe. Throw it up and I did it. Yeah, I'd follow May all the way home. And then where are you, what are you feeling these days May, as far as like swinging and do-si-do-ing and keys in a bowl, or are you like? I'm down, I feel like, I think it's situation specific. I think it really depends who you're with

and what the vibe is. But yeah, I mean, I'm very pro keys in the bowl. There you go, Meg. What if somebody grabs keys in the bowl and then they were like, that was fun. And then your person wants to grab those keys out of the bowl again. Are you like a grab them one time and move on?

Or are you like, OK, I guess we're opening the door to a bunch of key grabbing. It so depends, right? I feel like if I'm present for it, then then all bets are like, you know what I mean? If you're a couple and then you're all involved, I don't know, I don't know, it really depends. But I think I'm open to whatevs. Mays the lights on person. Lights on, pineapple upside down.

Key grabs, pineapple does not need to be a part. But I feel like we're getting more of an insight taken to your feelings about it. Because you're like, no, what if they wanna do it again? And now what if? What are it again? And now what if- What are these rules? Yeah, you know what I'm picturing? I'm picturing that like the key party starts

and there's some orgy happening and then the camera kind of pans up and Tig's like a mountain goat on the wall. Like Tig, you're just, you're perched on a vertical wall and you're just feeling like, well, look down there. Looky there. Oh man, gosh, how do we get on these topics? I don't know.

Was this my fault? You go from mountain, yes it is your fault. You turned it into a sexy com- I was just trying to talk about mountain goats. That is true. And then you started getting everything all sexy. Y'all brought up flamingos and I told you what flamingos stand for, that's it.

So this goes back, it traces back to you. You were the one that brought up swingers and then I was like, what does that even mean? And what are the rules? Did you know that flamingos are only pink because they eat shrimp? And if they didn't eat shrimp, they wouldn't be pink. They're only pink because of their diet. May have act. May have act. And did you know that like, I think I've talked about this. It's one of my favorite things to Google.

If you Google teenage flamingo, it's one of the only animal species where it has the most awkward adolescent phase, like a human, like it just looks like, why am I alive? And it's still kind of, it hasn't turned pink yet. Those lanky legs. It's all flimsy.

Hasn't had a shrimp yet. Probably hasn't had enough shrimp yet. Yeah. Yeah. Teenage flamingo is one of my faves. Wow, did not know about this. Well. Thank you for sharing. Mayfact.

What just happened? Was that Thomas? That was not me. That was Thomas. Oh. Is that our new Mayfact signal? I think it's our old one. I had that for a while back. I knew that. I knew that.

We haven't had a Mayfect in a minute, so. Should we move on to our questioner this week? Speaking of handsome. Yeah. I mean, basically if you have a dictionary on hand, which I would assume every listener does when they listen to our podcast, because we do use very advanced language

and we learn so much and it's good to just keep an encyclopedia and dictionary near you because if you open a dictionary and you look up handsome, you will see me, Fortune, May, and our questioner and Thomas. Thomas, absolutely. Today's questioner is an actor best known for his Emmy-winning portrayal of Don Draper on Mad Men. He also starred in the latest season of Fargo as well as The Morning Show.

John Hamm is asking today's question. Ba ba boom. So sexy that Mr. Hamm. Oh my God. Fortune. Go to YouTube. Go to YouTube. Can you, Fortune, can you like come out of a birthday cake for me on my birthday? Mr. Hamm.

We've been waiting for you. Yeah, can you like come out of a birthday cake for me on my birthday? Mr. Ham, we've been waiting for you. Yeah, Hamson. Ham, Hamson. Hamson. No, I can't say it. John Hamson. There you go. Hey, handsome pod, it's John Ham.

And I have a question for you. Guys, I have a surprise. We're ready for a first team rehearsal nine minutes early. Thank you. What was the earliest you've ever been called to set? Was it nine minutes? What was the first book that you ever read that truly affected you?

I will wait for your answer offline. Can I just tell you, so I flew from Toronto back to LA to film one day on the morning show. Yeah. And when I was filming John do this question, the lighting was really terrible. And Jen grabbed a lighting thing and stood behind me to light John. Jennifer Aniston was your grip?

Jennifer Aniston was the grip on the shoot. And that was that crazy laugh in the background too, if you heard me. That's incredible. That's Jen. But the publicist, the morning show publicist, was watching the whole thing go down. And then after we finished, she goes,

I cannot believe I didn't pull my phone out and film Jen lighting this question. Yeah, that would be funny. Jen loves the handsome pod, we know that. She does love the handsome pod, and you know who really loves the handsome pod is Jen's private chef. Whoa. I think I've told y'all that.

You did tell us and we wanted, we tried to invite ourselves over for dinner. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what happened. And word got out, but no invitation happened. Cool, cool, cool. Cool, cool. I'm available for Jen's Christmas party too.

Yeah, just putting it out there. Just putting it out there. But yeah, so when I filmed John, when Jen and I filmed John, we got him looking handsome because we got that lighting. He looked very handsome. He's a handsome fella.

He is so handsome. Because Don Draper was the classic handsome. I mean, he looks like he's from that era, right? That's like, it's perfect casting. He's got that like, old time movie star kind of. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, books, eh? At first he said first book,

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That's uncommongoods.com slash handsome for 15% off. Don't miss out on this limited time offer. Uncommon Goods, We're all out of the ordinary. But first book that really stuck with us. I mean, you laugh, but one of my childhood books really was, but I have an older one, but man. Give it to us. Okay, I'll give it to you. I was so into, and I believe I've talked about this before.

I talk about it all the time But Amelia Badelia. Oh, yeah She's what's the deal with her? What's her? What is the deal with her with Amelia? But deal? Yeah, what what is what is the deal? She takes things literally I couldn't remember either what her deal was. When I was in elementary school and it was story time and you get in a little circle and teacher reads and you choose a book and whatever, I was always raising my hand like requesting Amelia Bedelia. I just thought she was the funniest, like she was a housekeeper, I think.

And I always give the example of the people that she worked for would leave a list of things for her to do. Yeah. And one of the things on the list, which is hilarious, is draw the drapes. Draw. And she took it literally, she sets up an easel and she draws the drapes. And I was a cackling. I feel like this would have inspired early take bits. Like I can picture your mom being like hop in the shower

and you're like, oh, hop in the shower. Yes, yeah. It was so my sensibility. And I think it really influenced my comedy, honestly. But then when I was older, I think in junior high school, maybe, I can't remember the year, but I was really into, I mean, I'm very into music, but I was very into the story of Sid and Nancy. Oh, yeah, you talked about this. There's a book that I need to read. Yeah, that like electrified you,

their toxicity and you were like. Yeah, it's called, and I Don't Wanna Live This Life. And it's written by Nancy's mother. Can I tell you something? I wrote down the name of it to look up when you told me that. And then the other day I opened the notes on my phone and I thought I had got really depressed

and just written a really sad note. I don't wanna live this life anymore. I was like, oh my God, when did I write that? Yeah, no, no, it's just a book that really, I don't know why it. Maybe like the gritty, I think when you're a teenager, like you're drawn to that grittiness and that darkness and story. Yeah, real life story written about. I mean,

I was so into the Sex Pistols. I was so into the Sid and Nancy story. I had seen the movie. I had and then I found out about this book. And like I said, I think I read it three times. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, as a kid. And it's very dark, very, very dark, but really, really interesting, very sad. Yeah, I'm drawn to that kind of stuff. I like dark and sad.

Me too. Portia, what about you? Well, I'll give you two books. I have that one like earlier childhood book that always resonated with me. It was Tuck Everlasting. What's that? It's about the kind I don't remember the details, but the the broad sense of it

was that he wanted to to live forever and thought that that was the greatest thing. I'm pretty sure that's the book. Hold on. Well, I think it really made an impression. Hold on, wait. Classic Fortune Google. Am I mistaking it with something else? Okay, wait.

Oh God. Take your time. Take your time. This is good. This is good for podcasting. Or was it not this book? Fortune's Googling and sifting through her phone. Now it feels like this isn't the book.

It definitely feels like it's not. Whatever book I'm thinking of, I thought it was Tuck Everlasting. He wanted to live forever, but I can't remember why. And was he like a little... Wait, let me Google the time. Can I just tell you, John Hamm is such a handsome man. He is also so smart, so well read. He's all of these, he really is.

He's such, he's got a lot of Mayfax. He's got a lot of information. He's lived a lot of Mayfacts, he's got a lot of information, he's lived a lot of lives. And I think he'd be really disappointed in our responses. Okay, this is, I am right. Oh, okay. He wanted to live forever, but I can't remember why. Or someone wanted to live forever.

But you've already said this. Okay, so something about someone in the book wanted to live forever. Or had to live forever. I don't remember if it was a good thing or a curse, but you think you want this? Well, why don't you just speculate a bunch about what you think the book might have been.

And then you see everybody get older and die and you're alone. And it's not the awesome thing you thought it was. It's a kid's book? I don't remember, May. Oh my God. I'm going to tell John not to listen to this. But the moral of the story was when you say you want something to last forever, I don't want this to end because I want this to last forever.

You don't really want that because the beauty of life is getting older and going and growing and getting wisdom and learning. And if you just stay the same at one place, everything passes you by and it's sad. Right. There's more to the story, but I don't remember. I just remember that was an important lesson. It was an important lesson. Because when I was in college, I remember saying,

I'm scared to graduate because it's so good that I want this feeling to last forever and I'm sad to leave. And my mom had me read that book because that lesson was in there of like, you don't want this to last forever. When you were in college, your mother had you read a children's book. I don't think it's a children's's. I don't know if it's a children's book or not. I don't think it's a children's book, but it's not not. There's no way to know. This is the book that you love so much. And anyway, she was right, because I've had a thousand cooler things happen

since then that I never thought was possible, because I thought this was as good as it's gonna get. Yeah. But in a way Ginger could have just told you that lesson. Maybe she did, maybe I didn't even read the book. That's probably maybe a book. I feel like maybe I didn't read the book. It's feeling like that. Maybe my mom just told me this lesson.

Okay, let me tell you about a book I did read. Or May, why don't you tell us a book and then I'll go you about a book I did read. Or May, why don't you tell us a book and then I'll go back to the book I did read. Okay. I also have to, the earlier one is a book called Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. Yeah, we are disappointing John Hamm here, for sure. This is not like a literary list, but it was a collection of short stories. If you saw the cover, you'd be like, oh, fuck, yeah, I remember that. It was way too scary. And every story was like two pages or something.

And there was this one story in it called Tailie Poe. And I feel like for some reason, Thomas would know about Tailie Poe. But basically this guy, he's like a hunter and he catches this creature and takes its tail, but the creature gets away. And then every night he's in bed and he hears, tailie po, tailie po. Give me back my tailie po.

And I was like, I was so scared. And then it comes into his room and because he eats the tail and it digs into his stomach and gets its own tail back. And I was, oh, and I think there's another one about a guy who eats bubble gum and there's spiders eggs in it or something. Anyway, it was really scary. And Taley Poe was like a big part of my heard of Taley Poe. And Thomas was nodding. Yes. You're familiar with Taley Poe. Yeah, I remember that book. The one I was thinking of, I don't think it's in that book though,

was the green ribbon. Oh my God. Oh, not the green ribbon. Not the green ribbon, which was that the ribbon was tied around a girl's neck. Yeah. Oh.

And you know, bad things would happen if it like came off. Whoa. Yeah, it came off. Whoa. Yeah, it was scary. Reading some intense stuff. Yeah, really getting in there. Like later in life, the Neverending Story, that book and My Side of the Mountain

about a kid who runs away and lives in a hollowed out tree and he's got a buddy who's a ferret and just like the fantasy of the solitude of nature and being like 11 and you just live in the woods and he learns to do everything himself. That was big for me. Yeah, I mean, not that I'm a nature person at all or have ever been outside.

But an adventure seeker. You're an adventure seeker though. Yeah, I was like, wow, that sounds good anyway. Good night. Yeah, those are great. I mean, in my teens, I read a lot of like, the like Jack Kerouac's diaries that are just transcribed and that kind of like pretentious stuff that I was,

you know, like, I gotta be like, like Bob Dylan's autobiography and stuff. Oh yeah, sure. Got to. I did read a book. Here we go. In college. And then it was from a North Carolina author.

Her name is Kay Gibbons. She made it on the Oprah's Book Club list at one point. Not for this book. But the book, she wrote a book that I think would maybe only interest someone that grew up where I'm from or in a matriarchal family. The book was called Charms for the Easy Life. And it was the first time that I read a book that I could like really see myself in a book

because it's about a grandmother, a mother and a daughter. And it was very much of what my life looked like. At the time, my grandmother had just passed. She was very matriarchal, head of our family, the glue that held everybody together. My mom was like, at that time, she was kind of finding herself and on her journey. And then I was this rule follower, responsible kid,

trying to like, people please and do the right thing all the time. So the book follows that family. It's kind of, it was kind of an early book on like southern feminism, which was very rare at that time, because we were coming from a time where men were very much the center of the families and the decision makers and everything kind of evolved around them and I went to a women's college and it was the first time I went.

I didn't know you were gay. I didn't know I was gay. But it was the first time that I started learning about feminism and the difference of like being in a classroom where I didn't realize how little we got called on in high school, things were starting to get pointed out to me that I never knew. Yeah, you were questioning those paradigms

and all the ingrained beliefs. Yeah. So my English teacher in college had us read that book and it really blew me away to like see a family like that where men were not necessary. And the women were so strong. The grandmother in particular was like such a, she was a natural healer and it takes place in rural North Carolina. And there were a lot of similarities there with me and my grandmother and like the girl, like her grandmother passed and her feeling that when it happened,

that was very similar to me. And yeah, it was just, it came at a time in my life where I was like, oh, this is like I could see myself in that book and just, it really opened my eyes to a lot of things that I had not, you know, being from the South really thought about before in terms of finding your power or whatever that is, you know, your strength.

TIG, I'm amazed you never read Huckleberry Finn because it feels like that's the life you lived. Like, I feel like Huckleberry Tig. Yeah, yeah. You know, I was out actually having my Huckleberry Tig. Huckleberry Tig, that's it. Yeah, yeah. You know, I was out actually having my Huckleberry Adventures, but I was so obsessed with comedy when I was little. I've become less and less enchanted by it, but. I actually, I remember when I was 11, we went on a family trip to Rome and the four of us

and it was just a tense trip. My parents were fighting, everyone was fighting, but I had this book called The Comic Toolbox that was like how to be a comedian. And if I read it now, it would probably be a joke. Like it was like how to write a sketch and it was like two pages, how to write a standup bit, but it had little exercise books and it was like two pages, how to write a standup bit, but it had little exercise books in it, like that you fill out.

I wish I had it, cause I remember being like at the Vatican and like sitting in a corner scribbling in this book. And it was a real comfort to me, cause it was like take whatever tension in your life and explore it and yeah, the comic toolbox. Well, that's why I, you know, why mountain goats are my go-to right now. That's a lot of tension for me that I'm dealing with.

But did you feel like that actually put you on what was it helpful and insightful, even if you laughed at it now, like at the time? I mean, it must have been like, oh, I'm holding the key to all comedy right here. Totally. Yeah. It was kind of like one of those books, like The Artist's Way or something that was like, oh, you have something to say and you just need to figure out your point of view.

And I was, yeah, like 11. So you have that book to think. I have a lot to say. Steve Martin's book is really good. He was such a huge standup, like selling out like giant arenas. And then in like one day, she was like, I don't wanna do this anymore.

That part of his career. And then he's just like off playing a banjo. Yeah, I respect that a lot. One year when I was nominated for a Grammy, I was asked to present at the whatever, you know, the Grammy or you know how the award shows have the daytime thing and then the nighttime thing and Steve Martin and Edie Burkell had recorded an album together. I mean, they collaborate a lot. And it was at those daytime awards. A lot of times big stars don't show up to that. And so it was like a whole day of presenters

calling out names and huge names. And they're like, yeah, Bueller could not be here today and in his place. We will accept this award and then you move on to the next one. And so I announced Steve Martin and Edie Burkell and I'm a huge fan of both of theirs. And I'm like thinking, of course they're not gonna be here. And then I see like one of my biggest comedy heroes and musical heroes walking to the stage towards me. And I was like, are you kidding me?

Wow. Yeah. It was really such a fun, unexpected moment, especially because nobody was showing up. But yeah, that's it. It's just an interesting trajectory and it just shows you that you can move on and re-imagine your life and do different things. You could become a mountain goat. I could become a pencil salesman. I keep fantasizing about going door to door selling pencils.

And you will. Thank you. Yes. Is that a dream? Yeah. I don't know why I always come back to a pencil salesman. Well, you can't get those in stores. Well, yeah, exactly. There's a real appetite for them.

Yeah, you got to take them door to door. Those Steve Martin albums, my parents had the vinyls and I was so, like I would just sit so tense in my body listening to them. Like I couldn't believe it that you could be so irreverent. And when he's like, excuse me. I was like, oh my God. Which now is like not irreverent at all. No, not at all.

Yeah, yeah. It's like so tame. Yeah. I know it's so wild when you watch comedians from long ago. And I'm not saying Steve Martin is hacky, but even like you watch Richard Pryor. And they can- Yeah, Lenny Bruce, you're like,

I would have walked out. It just doesn't even seem like cutting edge or groundbreaking, and it's because they were the first. And there's been so many people that have emulated their style. And I mean, God, even watching my old comedy, And there's been so many people that have emulated their style. And, I mean, God, even watching my old comedy, which I do all the time. I mean, whenever I have free time, I...

It's just on loop at your house. No, but when I do see old comedy of mine or hear it or something, you know, I'll be on tour and something will come on the radio when I'm driving around and I'm like, Oh, cringing. Oh yeah. Me too. Hearing myself. Oh my God. I just used to yell punchlines all the time.

Yell punchlines is a great tactic. It just like, I thought in my head that the louder I was, the funnier it was. Yeah. And that is not the case. You get really excited. Sometimes it works though. Sometimes it was okay, but I do watch some of those old clips with like, I just can't believe it.

But that's part of comedy, you know, hopefully. Well, yeah, evolving as an individual comedian, but also comedy evolving in general. It's really- Yeah, because even comedy's in such a different place now because I feel like it was rarely personal back in the day. Yeah, it was all observational. And now I feel like people are like, who are you? People seem to wanna know more about your personal life than comedy was before.

Can I say that the Neverending Story, that book, that a guy I was dating got it for me and wrote a little inscription and gave me rainbow gloves. He was a lot older and I was like obsessed with him. And then I found out he gave the exact same book to a different girl the same Christmas and he wrote the same inscription word for word. Dirty rat.

And the rainbow gloves. And the rainbow gloves. Dirty rat. Oh God, I've never read that book but I'm also now not going to. Never read it. I am so sorry you went through that, May. Thanks, Tick.

Should we hear what John has to say? Yeah. Remember him? I bet he has a smart book. What if it's Amelia Bedelia? Is he gonna hate our answers? Of course. He doesn't wanna read Charms for the Easy Life,

how dare you, or Talk Everlasting. Talk Everlasting is a mystery to me still. By the way, I realized I did not read that book. It was a lesson my mom gave me. My mom reads like a book every three days. He is gonna hate this episode. Okay, let's hear what he has to say. The first book that ever truly affected me

was a book by John Irving called A Prayer for Owen Meany. I found it to be spiritual and amazing and intense and it was one of the first books I ever read that wasn't assigned to me. And it made me want to read all of John Irving's books, which I then did. I knew it was gonna be something. That's a good answer.

That wasn't good. Now I'm thinking of all smart answers. I wanna say. And I'm too late. It's too late. I've never read a deep book. I've read a lot of biographies. I love biographies.

But you remember how when we were kids, you would tease someone for being a bookworm, and now I feel like people reading books are geniuses. Anyone who has the attention span now, a kid reading a book, it's like, oh my God, thank God you're incredible. And back then it was like, bookworm. I don't know why I don't read more

because seriously my mom and grandmother both read, like we're at the library constantly and both could read a book every two to three days, finish it. I know why, fortunately. Best fiends. The phone game that you ruined my life with. I know, sorry bud. We gotta get off it and we gotta get back into reading.

I gotta read, I gotta read more. This is John Hamm, thank you for reminding us books are important. Thank you John Hamm. Thank you John Hamm. Reading is good, it is good for our brains too, especially as we get older, we need to keep reading. I am reading, since I finished filming, I am reading a book for the first time in like a year.

I'm reading Lullabies for Little Criminals. It's a Canadian book. It's a kind of story, coming of age story of this girl's life on Skid Row. It's really good. Wow. Would recommend. That sounds interesting.

Yeah. Cool. Well, we did it again, friends. We did it again, we pulled it off. Wow, you guys. And you did keep your spirits up, friends. We did it again. We pulled it off. Wow, you guys. And you did keep your spirits up, Mae. You did. Look, I don't know if I dazzled everyone, but I definitely.

Give them the old razzle dazzle. That was good. I will just remind people one more time, if you're looking for something fun to watch, please, please watch my new Netflix special, I will just remind people one more time, if you're looking for something fun to watch, please, please watch my new Netflix special streaming now called Crushing It. Yeah, and watch it right now that it's come out

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because I was inspired by the book, Tuck Everlasting in order to make this special and see the handsome shout outs and let us know if you caught those. And if you wanna post them and tag us, I wouldn't mind that. Have some viewing parties and tag us. Put on a pink suit.

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