Happy Sad Confused - BARBIE (Ryan Gosling, America Ferrera, Kate McKinnon, & Michael Cera)

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

Hi Barbie! It's time to catch up with a quartet of the actors who made the pop culture phenomenon possible. Here Josh chats with Ryan Gosling, America Ferrera, Kate McKinnon, and Michael Cera about the making of the film, key sequences, and what it's been like to be a part of film history.  SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! HelloFresh -- Go to HelloFresh.com/happysadfree and use code happysadfree for FREE breakfast for life! BetterHelp -- Go to BetterHelp.com/HSC Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes of, video versions of the podcast, and more! To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Josh's youtube channel here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

D.C. high volume, Batman. The Dark Nights definitive DC comic stories adapted directly for audio for the very first time. Fear, I have to make them afraid. He's got a motorcycle. Get after him or have you shot. What do you mean blow up the building? From this moment on,

none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, Billy, why don't we tell them what we're about, man? So, we're here to welcome you to the Mad House Chronicles. It's a talk show with myself, Billy Morrison. And me, Ozzy Osbourne. This man, Prince of Darkness, and we watch and react to the maddest internet clips.

What do we discuss, Ozzy? Drugs, rock and roll, aliens, all that kinds of shit. Drugs, rock and roll, aliens, and all that kinds of shit. Come and join Ozzie and myself, visit Osbournemediahouse.com to get special access to... Come on! What do you say? Do you think it's... It's the wildest show on the internet.

Even with someone like Greta, like did you feel, was there ever a point where you felt totally at ease and comfortable with what you were doing? Or did you always feel like you were on the knife's edge of too much going for broke or what? It felt like doing a high wire act without a net in tiny shorts and no shirt.

Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused. begins now. I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy Say It Confused, we've got a show devoted to the pop culture phenomenon that was and is Barbie. We've got Ryan Gosley. We've got America Ferreira. We've got Kate McKinnon, and we have Michael Serra.

Hey, guys, I'm Josh, and welcome to the show. This is a very special edition of Happy Say It Can Fuse. It's something of a bonus episode, actually. This was never intended to actually be an episode of the podcast. For those of you that follow my work, you may know that I moderate a ton of events, mostly in New York City. And a lot of them, unfortunately, are just for, like, the audiences in New York. They're events that are for Screen Actors Guild members or other kind of groups like that to kind of, like, drum up interest and excitement around these films that are in the awards conversation.

And certainly, Barbie is one of them with, I think, eight Academy Award nominations. So I did this wonderful event the other day, just a few days ago in New York City, Screen Actors Guild screening, followed by a Q&A with this quartet of amazing actors in Barbie. And it was a real treat because I love this movie. I've seen it a few times, obsessed with what Greta Girl would create. But I never really had a chance to have a big chat with a gang over the course of these many months. But finally it came around. We had the chat.

And unbeknownst to me, there was some folks out there that were recording it, which is great. It wasn't professionally recorded. There was no official camera crew or anything, but I happened to see some of these online. And we checked with the actors, and they're all cool with it. We checked with Wonder Brothers and the Barbie folks, and they're all cool with it. So here it is, guys. We're going to present to you this 30-ish-minute Q&A I had. It was in a theater in New York City.

We want to thank Annie Yan who recorded this. in the audience, and I'll say for something that was just recorded, probably on an iPhone and an audience, not bad. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll see the video. It's not the best work we've ever had, but it's decent. It's watchable. Audio, decent. So I'm so thrilled that Annie, thank you again for recording this and letting us use it. And thank you to this amazing quartet of actors. This is a really fun conversation. Ryan is amazing, of course, and Ken, he's Oscar nominated for the role. He talks about crafting that character about that iconic musical number, I'm Just Ken. We talked to America about that amazing monologue. She's also Oscar nominated,

of course, Kate McKinnon, the one and only Kate McKinnon, about crafting Weird Barbie, and Michael Sarah, who was delightful to chat with about Allen, and in particular his very memorable fight scene in which he kind of dropped a bombshell. He dropped a bombshell. in the course of this conversation that the fight scene, I'll let him tell it, but suffice to say, guys? Your spoiler warning, that fight scene was not supposed to involve Michael Serra or Alan. It was supposed to involve Mr. Ben Affleck. I'll let Michael tell the rest of the story in just a moment.

Some reminders for you guys listening or watching. If you haven't checked out the Happy Say I Confused Patreon, give it a try. Happy Say I Confused. We offer a bunch of early access, exclusives, merch, all sorts of fun stuff. If you're in the New York City area, we always give you first dibs and special tickets to all the live events that I do. I have two really cool ones coming up in March. We're about to announce you'll want to get in on those if you can. That's over at patreon.com slash happy say I confuse. Check it out if you so desire. You get early access, all sorts of cool stuff. Anyway, so thrilled to give you this conversation with the Barbie cast. Margo and Greta were there in spirit, but this quartet of amazing actors carried the day. And I know you guys are going to enjoy it. And remember, subscribe, rate, spread the good word of happy, say I confused. And the next thing you're going to hear

or see is me introducing and welcoming this amazing quartet of actors, the stars of Barbie. Enjoy. Thank you guys so much for coming out, New York. Did you laugh? Did you cry? Did you marvel at Ryan Gosling's wardrobe tonight? What a beautiful piece of work. I'm sure this is not your first time. seeing this extraordinary movie. Barbie is the film. We're celebrating tonight. Yeah, give it up for Barbie. My name is Josh Harrodes. I have absolutely nothing to do with this film except I'm a fan like you. I host a podcast called Happy Sec and Fuseba. Tonight, it is my true honor to celebrate this film that has been a true pop culture phenomenon and a true critically lauded hit, celebrated by the Screen Actors Guild, the Academy, every group

worth talking about. Yes, give yourselves a round of the applause for acknowledging this amazing cast. As you can see, we have a bunch of seats up here, and we have some pretty amazing people coming down to talk to you about this film. Shall we get started? Okay, excellent. Please give a warm welcome to some folks you might recognize. Mr. Ryan Gosling, everybody.

America Pereira is here. Kate McKinnon is in the house. And you can't do Barbie right out. It's Michael Sella. Thank you very much. You're all. Hi Barbie. My kids.

Hey, Alan. Ed Allen. Hi. I mean, we can just let them use all the time with the applause if you want. It's easier for all of us. Congratulations, guys. This is just a, you know, every film's a miracle, and this one in particular is a true work of art. Congratulations.

Ryan, let's start with you. when you are sliding down a pink slide screaming, Ken is me. Were you thinking this is the one that's going to get me, the SAG honor, the Oscar not honor? This is the one? I thought, I may not never work again, but I might work less.

This is a way out of the business. Yeah. Look, this is an amazing ensemble, and this is just a sample of the ensemble that Greta Gerwig assembled for this one. I'm curious, yeah. Was there ever a table read? Was there a time when you guys all gathered on set and kind of got on the same page?

Because I think it's remarkable, you're all in the same movie somehow. This is a tough movie to be in the same movie for if you catch my drift. There was no table read, but the Barbies had dance rehearsal, and that was like one of the first breaking the ice things that a lot of the cast did. And then we did have one kind of Barbies and Ken's. Ken's plus Gloria and Sasha like rehearsal that we did in that space but we didn't do a table read. Greta did this. She started with the high Barbie, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, hi Barbie that theme remember? Yeah that's true yeah correct. This

happened right? It happened yeah and she would go okay let's just try we all got in a circle and it would be like you know hi She'd be like, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, she'd be like, wait, stop. Faster. Okay, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, hi. Well, stop, that's, well, that's too fast. Okay. And she was like, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, hi.

She's like, well, now it's monotone. It should be like a little sing song, you're like, okay. It was a bit like if the guy from Whiplash was really loving and wanted to be great. And it was sort of like she was tuning us all like instruments. And she heard all of the dialogue, like, music. And I think we all, I don't want to say, did you have the same experience that it felt like she was sort of like tuning us? Would you feel tuned?

Yeah, yes. She also, I felt that, but no, no, it was good. It was a good analogy. She did that a lot on set, too. She would do this thing where like she would tell us to run the scenes and then she would just close her eyes and she would just listen. And then she'd be like, oh, and there she'd be like, that's it, that's the one. And she was just listening for like, is it, like, I think to her it was all music, right? I mean, there was a lot of, and then there was music, obviously, in it. But I think Greta has such a love of musicals and old-time musicals. And she's also, I think, her first love in the arts was dancing.

She was a dancer and dances in a lot of the stuff she does and the Barbie's dance and we have dance rehearsal. And yeah, it wasn't sort of just by the book, kind of sit down, say the words. She got us, like, kind of using all of our tools and instruments and senses. I'm curious, like, how this script reads. Like, for Kate and Michael, like, when this comes around, does Greta give you a warning? Like, this is coming. It's going to read a little interesting. It's very specific and odd, but trust me on this.

Or is it just sort of, here's Barbie, dive in, tell me what you think? We will wait all night and have. And I'm just true, I'm really trying to remember the text, the text that came with. I think she said, this is crazy, or this is weird, or it's, yeah, I think she did preface it. And I was like, I'm sorry, I have a winter's rash right now. My face is burning. It's a little thing. It's so cold.

I just thought you were blowing. No, it's a winter... I have a... I'm covered it a... Well, it looks great on you. Thank you so much. Anyway, no, I read... I remember she prefaced it by saying, this is specific, and I read it, and I was like,

yes, this is specific. This is a singular voice. This is a complete... vision. This is a complete package. This is like it's so specific. It's such a voice and I was like this is going to be a massive. Everyone's going to love this because it's such a and she's going to execute it in her singular voice and it's just so so exciting when someone is like unsuade by what they think ought to be happening. This was like, she knew exactly, it was such, it was so philosophical, she knew exactly what she wanted to say, her and Noah, and I was like, this is, this is in the bag. I was not worried about how specific it was. I was like, this is, the more specific this is the broader appeal it's going to have, and, um, I guess you are right. Well, then you step on set and you're like, oh yeah, like this talk about vision, like this, she's going for broke. I mean, Michael, do you remember the first time you stepped on set and it must have struck you as like, okay, we're in the Wizard of Oz here. We're in something pretty special.

Yeah, it's crazy. It was crazy. I mean, and, you know, it was really described like that in the script, too. I remember, like, the scripting very visual and kind of painting that world. And, you know, even she's sort of, I think I remember in the script, she. kind of described it as like, you know, a kind of diorama within a sound stage, you know, kind of acknowledging the sound stage even and like old like, you know, Busby Berkeley musicals and you could really feel it. It was like, okay, well, this will be interesting. And then when you

get there and really, I mean, I've never kind of been so like in complete disbelief about the production value. I was like, how much, how much money, you know, how much money is this And then, you know, and then, yeah, it was just, it was, I just couldn't believe everything I was seeing. And then, and then, you know, Greta being so, like, calm and, um, exuberant and inventive in the, in the eye of that of a production, that size was like completely staggering to me. I was like, okay, this is going to be good. She knows what she's doing. I remember my stepdad came to set and he was looking around and he was like, Ryan, this is real cement. Do you realize this is real pink cement? And I was like, oh, cool.

And he was like, no, Ryan, they had to lay rebar in here. Do you know that they'll never get this out of here? This is, this is incredible. And Guido was like, it is real cement. And it had to be real cement. And it was just like that. It was like even stuff you were missing, but every... It was real cement.

That's all I'm gonna say. You've come away with nothing else tonight, guys. Did your prep invade your Mojo Dojo Casa House? Like, what were you like at home prepping for Ken? I could only imagine what friends and family thought when they heard Ryan in the bathroom practicing whatever you were practicing to find your Ken. I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the L.A. Times.

And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director. You might know me from the League, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twisters. We come together to host Unspool. A podcast where we talk about good movies, critical hits. Fan favorites, must-season, and in case you missed them. We're talking Parasite the Home Alone. From Greece to the Dark Night.

So if you love movies like we do, come along on our cinematic adventure. Listen to Unspooled wherever you get your podcast. And don't forget to hit the follow button. Goodbye, summer movies, hello fall. I'm Anthony Devaney. And I'm his twin brother, James. We host Raiders of the Lost Podcast, the Ultimate Movie Podcast, and we are ecstatic to break down late summer and early fall releases.

We have Leonardo DiCaprio leading a revolution in one battle after another, Timothy Salome playing power ping pong in Marty Supreme. Let's not forget Emma Stone and Jorgos Lanthamos' Bagonia. Dwayne Johnson, he's coming for that Oscar in The Smashing Machine, Spike Lee and Denzel teaming up again, plus Daniel DeLuis's return from retirement. There will be plenty of blockbusters to chat about, too. Tron Aries looks exceptional, plus Mortal Kombat 2, and Edgar writes,

The Running Man, starring Glenn Powell. Search for Raiders of the Lost podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Do you remember your... I don't think I want to share that. You're painting it in a very unflattering way. No, no, no, no. I want to peek into the arts, into the craft.

Okay, it's official. We are very much in the first. final sprint to election day. And face it, between debates, polling releases, even court appearances, it can feel exhausting, even impossible to keep up with. I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of Start Here, the daily podcast from ABC News. And every morning my team and I get you caught up on the day's news in a quick, straightforward way that's easy to understand with just enough context so you can listen, get it, and go on with your day. So, kickstart your morning. Start smart with Start Here and ABC News because staying informed shouldn't feel overwhelming.

But I mean, this is the kind of role that, I don't know, you must feel out on the limb. Even with someone like Greta, like did you feel, was there ever a point where you felt totally at ease and comfortable with what you were doing? Or did you always feel like you were on the nice edge of too much going for broke or really? for broke or what? It felt like doing a high wire act without a net in tiny shorts and no shirt. Okay, I'm just letting the visuals thinking for everybody. And I just say one thing about what Ryan was doing, because when we were like doing that, this one scene in particular, I'll never figure it because I was fused to the leather couch by the end of it because all the body makeup, like I would sit up and there be a tan ass print on the couch

but like Ryan was doing that whole monologue about the patriarchy and you know hitting the flowers with the golf club and everything and like every take you'd be like that whole thing could be in the movie that could be that I'm watching the movie right now this is amazing that day we were all like holy shit it was fun fun to watch can I just say something about Michael then I was doing all this stuff all the razzled every, you know, like it was like, you know, um, like a, you know, um, like a, you know, um, like, you know, anything I could think, you know, pull out of my mink. And Michael was watching it all go down.

And it was time to get a shot of Michael, of Alan, and what Alan was feeling about all this. And they put the camera on him and there was a big TV with a horses. And Michael turns around and he watches for the whole take, he just watches the horses. And he, he, Miles Davis, that shit. He just, like, turned his back on the camera for an entire take, and I was like, that's incredible, that's so Alan. He was Alan. He was so Alan, bro.

The horses were, the horses really meant something about the whole thing to Alan. I would imagine wardrobe also meant a fair amount to each of your characterizations. I don't even have a question here except let's say, like, Ryan, when you looked at what you were going to be wearing, was this like 30 to 90% of the job? Like, this is sending me on the right path. I know what this character is now. Well, it helps so much, and Jacqueline, our costume designer, was just such a joy to work with, and she had such a hard, I mean, the job that she did because everyone has to wear something different all the time in every scene. It's never the same. And in Barbie World, unless you're wearing it, you're not doing it.

So, yes, it was everything. And, you know, for me, it was sort of like an opportunity to get Barbie's attention. So it was sort of like, you know, if I, like, wrote my name on my underwear, because she might say, cool underwear. And I could be, like, underwear. And then it would start a conversation with Barbie, or there would be, like, if I was going to wear a watch, I'd wear three watches, or two pairs of anything to have Barbie notice me. You know, it was sort of like there's a Coco Chanel rule where you leave the house, take one thing off. My rule is before I leave the trailer, put three things on. I also didn't catch until repeated viewings how much, like, Stallone of the 80s influenced the evolution of Ken.

As a kid of the 80s, I appreciated that. I'm sure you did too. Yes. It's still on all the time. Just an observation. America, for you, I mean, look, you have a different, very unique task in this, and that you are a grounded human being in our world playing off of this kind of insanity around you.

Did that, I mean, talk to me about the task at hand when you're playing opposite Margot and this collection of actors who are kind of playing, like we heightened characters. Yeah. That was definitely a challenge. We started in Barbie land, so we had no context for like real world, Gloria, real world

Sasha. And I remember talking to Greta like what happens to humans in Barbie land. Like are we still humans or do we talk like Barbies or are we in human clothes or are we in Barbie clothes? And it was sort of like something in between where it was like you're you but it's like your best day ever like you're wearing the thing that you love the most and like and and and and she still wanted um like she wanted the even though we didn't like talk that the humans didn't talk like Barbie's in barbie land we would join the cadence of Barbie land and so we had a lot of conversations about like

what you know what happens to a human in Barbie land and um Which was weird to kind of set the character there before we, like, went to the real world. But yes, and plus, like, I mean, I went to Barbie dance rehearsals, and I was not invited to Barbie dance rehearsals. Because my whole childhood dream is just being with 20 grown women in learning choreography. Like, that's just my dream. I was like, there's no way I'm going to be in a Barbie movie and not be a Barbie dance rehearsals. So I used to go, and I would memorize all the parts.

So when Margo got called away, I got to do Barbie's news, which I did. And she walked in on me doing it, and it was really embarrassing. Really embarrassing. And she was like, no, no, no, please keep going. It was mean. I just like, I was having so much fun. It was such an intoxicating environment to be in. And then I'd have to remember, like, oh, I have to be the person.

I have to represent the human race. Like, you're welcome. I hope I did you proud. But, yes, that was true. Thank you. I love for, thank you. I, yeah, that was the thing of like, and I think the deeper thing for me

in trying to find this character was like, who is this woman who can somehow suspend her disbelief and believe that Barbie came to the real world for her and she's going to Barbie land and that she is still connected to this child's play and that she gives herself over to a child's play.

and then she gives herself over to it fully. And yet she's a woman who at the same time can hold the reality and the frustration and the grief and the disappointment of real life. And she kind of had to do and be both of those things. And it was like figuring that out. Like how do those two things exist in this one character? And I think the more and more I played her,

the more I realized, like, oh, because we contain all these multitudes, because we can be serious women and moms and badasses, and at the same time want to just, like, play and cut loose, and we should be able to get to be all of those things that we want to be. And so it was, like, complicated, and then shouldn't have been so complicated to figure it out, you know? We will get to the monologue in a second. You're not getting off the stage without talking about that.

Thank you, Kate, the physicality of Weird Barbie, was that in the script? Is that something that you suggest somersaults would be good here? I don't like choreography. I don't like planned movement. I don't like movement at all. And so that was very much in the script. It was like, Weird Barbie, she's in the splits. That was like the sentence.

And so Greta had played. planned all of these things where like I could put my one leg in and then there would be a fake leg going like this and tumble passes and all this stuff and I was like okay if you want a choreograph movement and it was like thank God it was so funny to look at on the screen when it was all assembled and she just had what an incredible vision to have I was like Wow, this is what a director... Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom.

Well, big news to share it, right? Yes, huge, monumental, earth-shaking. Heartbeat sound effect, big. Maitz is back. That's right. After a brief snack nap. We're coming back. We're picking snacks.

We're eating snacks. We're raiding snacks. Like the snackologist we were born to be. Mates is back. Mike and Tom, eat snacks. Wherever you get your podcast. Unless you get your podcast. them from a snack machine, in which case, it calls us.

Hi, I'm Brandi Passanti. For the last 15 years, I've starred on one of the most successful reality shows of all time, storage wars. On my no show, The Real Reality, my guest and I will reveal the real story of what it's like navigating fame and notoriety. We will explore their unique story, what really happened on and off camera, how becoming famous has truly impacted their lives and what their vision is for their future. This is the real reality. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcast. Does like, even just like, well, with like, with like with like with my outfit and stuff, like I was like, I wanted to wear like a dirty baby doll dress because I thought that like weird barber would be a dirty baby doll dress and she was like, no, it can't be dirty. Nothing can be degraded in this universe. Everything is, even if it's weird, it's like space trash. It's like perfectly preserved.

And I was like, wow, you have thought about every square millimeter of this entire universe you've created, and that's what a director does. Amazing. Amazing. Singular vision. Michael Henney. Michael Allen's fighting technique a little bit different than Scott Pilgrims, fair to say? Well, yeah, I wasn't even supposed to fight in the movie, you know? Am I allowed to say what it was supposed to be? Yeah. Am I?

It was supposed to be Ben Affleck. Like, um, right? Am I allowed to say that? It just happened. We're here we are. Um, and I think Ben wanted to do it, but he, you know, he was like directing his movie. Um, so, but they didn't find that out until, like, the very, like, the very... like the 11th hour.

They're like, okay, Ben's out. Something has to happen here. So you're going to fight them. And so I had to jump in with the stunt team. I had just gotten over COVID. And they had me training, and I almost died. Like, just doing the warm-up. I had to lie down to my trailer, and they sent the nurse to see me.

And I was sent home. So then we had a second rehearsal, and I learned it. That's the story, basically. Yeah. No, but that was never part of Alan's journey. In the rehearsal, we did the thing where I murdered the guy with the shovel. And it was like a joke. And then we were like, Greta's not going to let me murder someone in the movie.

And it's in the movie. My five-year-old son was like, He's sleeping, right? I'm like, yeah, yeah, he put him to sleep. He's dead. Alan is a stone cold murder, like that. Wow, I have never been so happy to bring up a topic in my life. Yeah.

I'm just Ken. Yeah, you ready to go there? Talk to me a little bit about the night before you're doing that. Are you like, this is going to be the, tomorrow's going to be the best day in my life or I'm scared out of my mind? Like that must have been a day you circle, a couple days you circle on the calendar of the shoot. Yeah, we only had, my kids helped me so much with that. They were, they learned the choreography too. They were singing it all the time around the house.

And I was nervous about it because we only had one day to shoot it. They only gave, you know, because it just kind of came up in a way in the moment, and it was like, we need to have a ballet, a dream ballet, and so they found a day to do it. And anyway, my kids, there's only time my kids have ever come to set, but they came and they were behind the monitor there, and they were like, they were the true source of Mike Energy. As I said, I have to bring up the monologue, America. What a scene. When you read that in the script, did you know this had the potential to be what it became?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's definitely, it was a record scratch. Even just reading the script, script like the monologue is a it's a whole page so I remember getting to that and be like what is happening like there's a whole page it's just a block of dialogue and it's not what was expected like it's not the the next thing you think is going to happen in Barbie land you know is that the human woman is going to get to kind of drop some truth bombs and

Um, it, it, the whole script felt so unexpected. I mean, from the word go, you know, it's, it, the script was such a delight to read. If you, like, have the opportunity to read the script, it's so fun to read because Greta and Noah kind of talk to you as the reader directly. Remember in like the car chases, they're like, just rip it from Fast and Furious five. And they're like, you know, it's like that. We'll just take it from them. And like, it's just such a fun script. read and every moment was so unexpected and so when I got there it I think it was just jarring and then this thing is dropped and it was hard to really understand like how it fit in with the rest of the tone of the film but it did and it worked and I had I was I had tears and I was laughing and I knew that it um I knew that it was a moment and that it had to work for the, what happens next to feel good and make sense. And so, yeah, I was stressed about it, for sure, yeah. Stress for a few months about it.

And then it was like one of the last things we shot. So, you know, just kind of let it create a lot of anxiety in my body for a few months. So that's fun. On the book side, probably one of the most greatest senses of relief an actor can ever experience because the way this has resonated is just, Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, it's what a gift. Like, I felt it's the, it's like the two sides of the same coin of like, oh my God, what an incredible gift. And then two seconds later, like, what if I get up, you don't want to mess it up. And yeah, it, and I loved doing it. It was so fun to do these poor people had to sit there and listen to me, do that monologue, like for two days. Yeah, it sucks to listen to. It was amazing.

Oh, we made movie history. It was different every time and it was so amazing. It was beautiful. And every actor would be doing in an acting class from time and eternity. I want to do it. We're studying your perform. Don't.

We're ready. It makes you want to act. It's so good. It inspires you to. Thanks. I'd love to hear from you guys a little bit about your perspective on on what it's been like to experience this film since it's come out because it has made a lot of money,

great, that and that is fun and exciting, but beyond that, it is, you know, like, Transformers movies make money. They don't talk about the patriarchy and change how people think. That's what this movie is doing. And you guys know as well as I do, how rare that is, how just give me a little bit

of perspective of what it's been like to see what this movie has become since, Since it's come out. I'll answer it once. Three, two, what? It's just, I'm happy because, you know, as I said, it's like, it's so weird, you know? And it's so, it's so elevated and it's so philosophical, and it's so, it's such a classic hero's journey. and it's about

patriarchy and it's also just about it's like it's so Joseph Campbell it's like this character that leaves the broken world and like goes on a journey and comes back

and realizes and fixes it and it's like so classic and yet so specific and so new and so like fresh and I think it makes total sense to me why it has resonated in the way it has.

And I think it speaks well of our culture. I think that the moment, it's my rash is saying. I think the moment I think about a lot when I, and I like appreciate you saying that, like a lot of movies make a lot of money, right? That's not like the thing that happened this summer. It wasn't like, wow, a movie made a lot of money. You know, it's like, no, a movie, like, something happened.

And one of the things that happened was, like, people got to experience something together, which is, like, what I remember loving about movies my whole life as a kid was that it was something that it was like, oh, Mighty Ducks 2 is coming out on Saturday! And it was like, everyone knew it was coming out, and it's like, where are you going? And, you know, we've lost that.

And especially post-pendemic. And so, you know, Barbie brought us back to the movie for like a party for like a celebration and people were dressed and like it did that and that was amazing. But I think for me, the one thing, moment of true awe and trying to wrap my mind around what Greta accomplished Greta and Margo and Noah and like this entire team is I met the ambassador to the UN from Saudi Arabia who also happens to be the principal. of Saudi Arabia and she came to me at an event and she said I just want you to know in Saudi Arabia we got our first movie theater in 2018 and when Barbie came out we had people crossing the border from multiple countries around us where Barbie had been banned and for four weeks you couldn't get a ticket to Barbie in our one theater that people were literally crossing the border to see Barbie and like right I mean

that's like and at the same time so you have one theater in the middle east that like you can't get a seat for four weeks and people are literally crossing borders too then you have another conversation happening on the same planet where it's like well this isn't feminist enough you know and like and i'm not judging that conversation what i'm saying is like when you make a piece of art that is creating conversations and showing us to ourselves like who are we as a culture like I think like what else can you ask for from art right like what more do you need to to do and it's like that it is so much more than a movie that just made a billion and a half dollars which it did it's a movie that moved people to think and to have conversations that they weren't having

before. It's a movie that marks these times, but truly, I can't imagine how this is not going to be a perennial. This is a true classic, and you guys should feel very proud of executing Greta's singular vision along with Noah's co-writing of the screenplay. Congratulations on the film. This is usually where I say to the audience, spread the good word. Everybody knows about Part B, but continue to spread the good word of

part-V, and give it up for this amazing panel about this. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh. Okay, it's official. We are very much in the final sprint to election day. And face it, between debates, polling releases, even court appearances. It can feel exhausting, even impossible to keep up with. I'm Brad Nilke. I'm the host of Start Here, the Daily Podcast from ABC News. And every morning, my team and I get you caught up on the day's news in a quick, straightforward way that's easy to understand with just enough context so you can listen, get it, and go on with your day.

So, kickstart your morning. Start Smart with Start Here and ABC News, because staying informed shouldn't feel overwhelming. The Old West is an iconic period of American history and full of legendary figures whose names still resonate today. Like Jesse James, Billy the Kid, and Butch and Sundance, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, and Geronimo, Wyatt Earp, Batmasterson, and Bass Reeves, Buffalo Bill Cody, Wild Bill Hickok, the Texas Reef, and many more. Hear all their stories on the Legends of the Old West podcast. We'll take you to Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge City, to the plains, mountains, and deserts for battles

between the U.S. Army and Native American warriors, to dark corners for the disaster of the Donner Party, and shining summits for achievements like the Transcontinental Railroad. We'll go back to the earliest days of explorers and mountain men and head up through notorious Pinkerton agents and gunmen like Tom Horn. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music, and there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. I'm Chris Wimmer. Find Legends of the Old West, wherever you're listening now.