Happy Sad Confused - Brett Goldstein

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

Brett Goldstein is a writer, actor, comedian, podcaster, and now a guest on HAPPY SAD CONFUSED. The TED LASSO star discusses the end of that series, the beginning of SHRINKING, and his future as Hercules in the MCU! To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to Josh's youtube channel here! Check out the Happy Sad Confused patreon here! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes of GAME NIGHT, video versions of the podcast, and more! For all of your media headlines remember to subscribe to The Wakeup newsletter here! SUPPORT THE SHOW BY SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS! This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/HSC and get on your way to being your best self. VUORI -- Go to vuori.com/HSC and discover the versatility of Vuori Clothing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Today on Happy, Sad Confused, Brett Goldstein, from Ted Lasso to shrinking to his future in the MCU. Hey, guys, Josh Harrow.

It's here with another edition of Happy, Sad Confused, and a new guest on the show, but a familiar guest to anybody that has appreciated the wonderful series that is 10. Ted Lassow entering its third season. He is, of course, Brett Goldstein, the scene-stealing actor and writer of Ted Lassau. He is well-known for his role as Roy Kent, and don't worry. He's not as abrasive as that character in real life.

In fact, he is sweet and affable and self-deprecating, and a big old movie nerd checks all the boxes for me, and it was a real great pleasure to get to know Brett. You guys are going to dig this episode. It's fantastic. Before we get to that, some other housekeeping kind of thing. First of all, I do want to mention, I never say this, but I'm going to say it. Drop us a review, guys, because we've recently shifted to cast media, our new podcast home. And I want this podcast to grow and expand and gain new followers, and we already are.

But honestly, the reviews on iTunes make a tremendous amount of difference. And while we have a ton of them, I never remind you guys. So if you're listening to this and you've listened for a while, just drop us. us a little review, a four or five star review. If it's three stars or less, you don't need to bother. But if you like the show, if you like what I'm doing, go over to iTunes, drop us a review. It's really going to help the show in the long run, and it would mean a great deal to me. Other things to mention, well, as we tape this, the Oscar nominations are out. In fact, I talked to Brett a little bit about the Oscar nominations. And I'm not going to give like a giant

deep dive analysis except to say, I don't know, by and large, I was pretty happy. I mean, most of the big nominees are films I am a big fan of. Whether it is Banshees of Inashiren or The Fablemans or Tar, obsessed with Tar, as you know from the podcast, Avatar, Top Gun. I was so thrilled that women talking got into Best Picture. Still kind of crazy that our buddy Claire Foy and Jesse Buckley didn't get an acting nomination, but what are you going to do? Yeah, I think they spread the wealth really well.

I have no idea how it's all going to turn out. I mean, some of the acting categories, I think we know, but what's taken home best picture? I don't know. Banshees, I guess. Maybe everything everywhere. We'll see. I feel like we have like seven more months left before the Oscars come around. But now is a good opportunity these next few weeks to catch up on these great films.

It was a great year in films. So, yeah, exciting to see it all celebrated. And Angela Bassett may be our first Marvel actor to win. Wouldn't that be cool? Let's see. Other things to mention over on the Patreon page, just a reminder, guys, you can subscribe to our annual membership at $10 and up and you get a free poster of your choice. I will sign it if you want. You can get the Sam Hewan poster. You can get me. You can get Kumail Nanjiani or Adam Sandler, Daniel Craig, and you get lots of goodies. Also at the super high-end executive producers tier, you get unlimited access to all our events, VIP tickets. swag, all the cool stuff. So go over to patreon.com slash happy sack and fused.

The link is in the show notes. Check it out. Other things to mention. Well, we don't have any events to announce just yet, but some really exciting stuff is coming. Certainly in March, hopefully in February one or two things will pop up. So stay tuned.

Some really cool live events in New York City are on the horizon. Okay, let's talk about the main event. Brett Goldstein does so many great things. I have, I actually was kind of late to his podcast, but I'm going to give it a big endorsement today. Films to be buried with is fantastic. He looks at people's lives through the prism of film, which is frankly kind of what I do too, but in his own unique style, definitely check out the podcast. It's fantastic. I don't need to sell you on Ted Lassow. He's fantastic in that,

but do check out the new show, shrinking, which tells the story of Jason Siegel's character, along with like a great assortment. It's really an ensemble piece. And yes, it does feature Harrison Ford in a supporting comedic role, and he's so good in it. He's so good in the show. The show is getting great reviews. It drops on Apple TV Plus this week, so you'll be able to check it out. I've watched the first four episodes. It's really well done.

It has the same kind of tone as Ted Lass. So I think if you dig that show, you're going to love this one. But it's definitely its own thing. And Brett is not on camera in it, but he writes for it, and he's a showrunner for it. and just shows off how talented he is in all respects. This is a great conversation. We also talk about his role in the MCU, which, for those that saw the last Thor movie,

he, spoiler alert, pops up as Hercules in the end credits, definitely seemingly setting him up as an adversary of Thor in future films. Some really fun stuff about how he got that role and potential future for that character. some trash talk kind of sort of against Chris Hemsworth. So there's a lot to enjoy in this episode. Brett is very sweet and funny and smart and checks all the boxes of a great guest on Happy Say I Confused. So I know you guys will enjoy it. Remember, follow me on social media. I'm everywhere. Joshua Horowitz on all the platforms. Subscribe to the YouTube channel,

YouTube.com slash Josh Horowitz, and give us that review on iTunes. Support the show. Here it is, me and Mr. Brett Goldstein. Enjoy. Brett Goldstein, finally, on Happy, Sad Confused. I'm such a fan of your work, man. Thanks for taking the time out today. So, thank you. So we're going to talk about a great many things.

The podcast, Ted Lassow, Shrinking is the new series. Yeah. Which I know you must have a lot of pride in. Talk to me first. You are a big movie buff. Yeah. I know from the podcast. Oscar nominations are out today.

Are you railing against the machine? Are you incensed? Are you happy? Are your favorites acknowledged? I'm about to reveal that I don't know what they are. No. Because I haven't had a second to look. Are you going to spoil it for me?

I'll save it like football scores. I'm like, don't tell me the score. I won't tell you if you don't want to know. No. Is after son in it? Paul made it. Paul Mescal got best actor. That is the representation.

Did the director? No, Charlotte did not. Disgusting. What about the film? What an emotional roller coaster. What about the film? No. Disgusting.

How about everything everywhere all at once? A ton. 11. Most nominations. Fantastic. I'm happy with that. Okay. What about banshees have been to share it?

A ton. All the actors. Those are my three? Okay. I'm happy. There you go. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, fucking love to

I forgot that that is this year. I love tar. Tar and Top Gun, the two T's. Top Gun, is that in it? Yeah. Amazing. All right, this is pretty good. Okay, we're good.

Okay. So now that you're in a good mood, my sense of you is you're a man that doesn't do well with downtime. That you need to be overloaded to acknowledge that, yes, you're still living. You're still working. Has that always been the case? Or is this a recent phenomenon since you've like elevated this new level? You know what I was thinking about?

When I was at school, like, really young, somewhere, we were taught. about I was thinking about how I was kind of taught that work was a bad thing or like a like a punishment and I think it was because I was taught about the story of Adam and Eve and it was like I mean listen I'm not saying this is true but this was the story I was taught that it was like Eve's fault because she ate the apple and then because of that we all have to work that was the story so it was like work was this punishment and I think I always thought oh god work sounds like a horrible thing and then I realized oh I just have to spend my life doing everything I can to never have a real job.

So I work all the time, but it's not what I would call work. Right. You have a lot of silly jobs that most people would think are not real jobs. Yeah, not real jobs. But it does seem like, look, for us stupid Americans, for a lot of stupid Americans, you seem to be the overnight success story at like in your late 30s or 40s. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Which is not the case as any person that looks at your Wikipedia entry can tell.

But is there a sense like in the last. few years, like, this is the time. Like, I got to just grab everything and make the most of all these opportunities. For sure, because I never thought this would happen. I was, you know, as you say, I've been working for 20 years at a level that no one saw, but enough to pay the bills and I was working. Which is top two percent. Yeah, yeah. And I was, I was happy because I like the work that isn't real work. And then, you know, Ted Lassau happened, which none of us expects anyone to watch. and it's been this amazing, amazing, you know, once in a lifetime, one in a million, you know, like winning the lottery, like insane. But it meant that I guess a little window opens and then people that had no idea who you are suddenly are maybe interested in these projects you've been working for a long time and stuff like that.

I don't know how long that window's open. So I think you think, fuck, I'm going to do it. You'd make the most of that bloody window. I wish someone would tell me because then you'd be like, okay, I can relax. an eight-year window, a three-year window or something. You've got one month, mate, the most of it. Go. But I do find, look, not to, like, this may not be good news for you,

because many of the actors and filmmakers I've talked to that have, like, decades of high-level work under their belt, it never goes away. Never goes away. Look, I always think, but that's, I guess, I think about Spielberg and you go, you don't need to do any more, mate. You can just do.

Have a nap. Have a nap son. You do E-T-5. And I guess that's when, you know, like, he's a real, I don't like, I, we're always nervous as the word artist, but let's say it, he's a real, you know, he doesn't need the money, he doesn't need the accolades, but he clearly likes telling his stories. And, you know, Ridley Scott is 400 and makes three films a year, like, chill out. And like the hardest movies on the planet.

Yeah, I'll just bang out a wall movie in three months. It's like, but I get it. I very much relate to that. And I don't see it because any time I go, I do do too much, 100%. And I'd say once a week, maybe one in seven days, I think, to myself, oh, this is slightly too much. I'm slightly overwhelmed with all the things. But only one day a week and then it passes.

And whenever I've had a night off, I'm in despair. I don't, you know, I'm like, fuck. Yeah. I should, you know. There's always someone new. They're going to. Oh, no, it's not. That is just that I go, I don't know what to do if I'm not making stuff.

Probably watching stuff. Yeah, I'm watching films. So that's the, that's the, but even that's sort of, I've made that mean work. Can we talk about films to be buried with? Yeah, we can. I love the podcast, man. Thanks, man. And it feels like this is, this podcast unites, correct me if I'm wrong, your two

favorite loves, which are film and a preoccupation with death. This is that? Yeah, you're not wrong. and and you know I'm interested in people's lives and I think what the podcast did by accident that I didn't necessarily know it would

is it ends up being quite a good way to talk to people about their lives because by talking about films you're really talking about them like as in what film scares you the most is really what scares you yeah you know what makes you cry and you know it ends up being

I've had so many conversations with people where you're like wow I really got we really got somewhere It was really interesting, like, beyond, yeah, I like that film. It's a smart way. Look, I mean, like, when my dad passed away a couple years ago, I'm sorry. No, I appreciate that. But, like, I had my brother on.

And we talked about the movies that we watched with our dad. Oh, man. And that's kind of everything. You can look at your life through these five movies. And that's kind of what you're doing week after week. Yeah. So what is the most telling question you found? Like, the question you feel like unlocks a lot of your guests?

I think it's. It's those two probably. Well, the three, the three big ones for me are the ones. What scared you the most? What made you cry the most? And the experience you had at the cinema that will always be special to you, regardless of the film. Yeah.

Those three will get you something. Are the guests always aware that you're going to drop the bombshell that they're dead? Because sometimes I'm listening and I'm like, wait, have they not been briefed? I mean, because they're so deadpan and you're so kind of bury the... I won't name. them but I did have a very high profile director on who told me at the beginning I'm a huge fan of the podcast and then when I told him he was dead he looked so shocked and I thought you've definitely never had this podcast he genuinely looked panicked and I think even one point he said

why are we talking so much about death and that's like big fan huge fan it's funny because the last couple years when we went to a pandemic mode or whatever and I was trying to figure out like how do I continue to do this podcast. I started asking folks for their comfort movie and doing kind of a deep dive with folks on that. Do you have a comfort movie? Do you have like a go-to? I'm going to imagine you have dozens. Yeah, I mean, look, singing in the rain is always brilliant and a favorite. I mean, maybe my favorite. And School of Rock is a five-star stone classic that you'll be happy to watch any time. Yeah. Greece too. It's funny because like you can go any different way right because like zachary quinto said like magnolia to me i love

magnolia but i get it i get it's not wrong i once was on a plane and magnolia was on the list and i watched it and then i watched it again because i sort of was like it's a seven hours play as he made this yeah the opening 40 minutes of magnolia i'm like i don't know how you made this it is all the set-ups alone yeah you know that's what stress is like guys just so you know this is really hard yeah I love that film. That's one of my top ten. So when is Harrison Ford coming on the show? Have you made the ask?

Someone asked me this afternoon. You're going to get him on the podcast. And the truth is, asking him to be in this show was such a ridiculous thing. And then he said yes, that I'm scared to ask him anything else because I don't want to push my life. I have no follow, Mr. Ford. I'm like, I don't ever want to ask him for anything again. He said yes to the show. I don't want him to regret it.

The show is shrinking. It's on Apple TV Plus. I very much have enjoyed it. I've watched the first four. This is from you, Bill Lawrence. Jason Segal? Jason Segal, fantastic. And somehow, some incriminating photos,

whatever happened, you got Harrison Ford. Really amazing. So what is, like, is that, what kind of day is that when you find out Harrison Ford is in? Because he's never done TV. Yeah, never done TV. And he is so good in this show. He's really good, in it reminds me of like,

oh yeah, in addition to being like the leading man, of my youth he is has the comic timing of just like top percentile one of the best 100 percent I think and we've all said this on set in person everyone is that you we offered it to Harrison Ford's almost like a joke like let's waste a week right while we try and get Harrison Ford and he says no and then we'll move on to the realistic right getting on with those and when he said yes it was very quick as well like it was almost too easy and he was so lovely and he was so interested in he loved the scripts and he loved the character and there was a lot he related to in it and he wanted to you know

he he isn't real actor like not a star like he he wasn't interested in there's a thing in in the mike nichols biography where he talks about working girl and he says Harrison ford said to him just tell me how to serve the story and I'm like that's him that is like he he's there to make the thing work not to get the most shots or you know and so he was so lovely so brilliant but having a year or however many months later eight months nine months later don't think there's a single person cast crew or writers who aren't still like fucking oh it's harrison four despite how he is just normal and lovely but we're all still like oh sure no but it's funny you say that yeah now now i'm going back in my mind of all the interviews i've seen with him over the years and you're

right he always talks about like yeah and we all know like yes he was a carpenter and like how he can be of service to a crew and how he helps out the crew and just like it's astonishing he's part of the ensemble like it's jason seagull was the lead in an ensemble and he is part of the ensemble he's he's fantastic i also think because i kept thinking why is he why is he said yes he just kept saying he loved the scripts and i kept me like are you serious but when we did the first read-through for the pilot episode i could see in his eyes getting big laughs in the room he was buzzing like I was like oh he hasn't done a big proper comedy yep and I think he's really excited to be to show how funny he is so let's talk a little the concept of the show so

these are these are Jason Siegel and many of the characters the actors rather are play therapists and Jason Siegel has suffered a horrific loss and it's kind of trying to come out on the other side of this yeah loss in his life um did you and bill like workshop this like how How does this, like, what's the elevator pitch on this and who has it and who comes to who? Like, how did this develop in the first place? Weirdly, it was something we sort of both had separately the idea. My version of it was much darker, much, much darker, and his version was possibly lighter. Okay.

And we would talk, because we'd done a pilot together before Ted Lasser. Right. And he, like my writing, wanted to do something with me. And he said, what are you working on? And I told him this idea I had. And he said, I've been working on a similar thing, blah, blah, blah. we talked about it, we were like, well, if we put these together, that's probably the right tone for this show. And that's, yeah, that was it. And I think in terms of, I'm always, you've probably

heard me say this on a podcast, but I hate, the only thing I don't like in films are films where the message is, what's the fucking point? Everything's awful. There's no point because I go, I think that anyway, like give me something. Give me something. Yeah. So I think and I also think it's bad, a bad observation of life if it doesn't have any humor in it. Yeah. That's not how people are. People laugh at funerals. People laugh on deathbeds. People find jokes on things like it's how we get by. And so I think making a comedy about grief and trauma is interesting and not unrealistic. Is, without prying too much into your personal life, is therapy something that you generally think is useful? Yes, you can ask, I'm a huge fan of therapy. I think it's,

I think if you have access to it, everyone should. I wish and hope everyone does because I think it's essential and it's definitely saved me and done, been very, very good for me. And I think that's true of everyone involved in shrinking. Certainly, you know, someone said, one of the writers said about the writers' rooms. She said she was talking to a friend of hers and they were complaining about their writers' room on the show and everyone wasn't getting on and she said, oh, our writer's amazing because everyone's therapist. Like it's just a really good group of people who at least understand how to talk about

their feelings and process stuff and, you know. Well, the good thing about you is you're fixed, you're perfect now. I'm absolutely fine, as you can tell. my insane work-whalism and terror of being in the quiet for a second. Absolutely, I'm cured. Me and Spielberg, absolutely fine. Exactly. It's a good group.

I'm not going to obsess over Harrison for the rest of the conversation, but one other aspect that I did find really interesting is he plays a man with Parkinson's. Yes, yes. No, cracking me wrong, and I can cut this if you want, but your dad has? He does, yes. My dad had Parkinson's for many, many years. sorry. I'm sorry as well. It's a tough one.

So that's a big part of the pool character is. And weirdly, in a way, it's like a nice thing for my dad because I get to sort of say to him, by the way, Harrison Ford's playing. You know what I mean? Like, that's not a bad treat. But yes, so I think, again, I think we're all very lucky, so lucky to do this.

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slash h-S-C. So, okay, so let's go back a little bit into the origin story route in Ted Lassau, which is legendary by now. But for those that don't know, you did collaborate with Bill prior to the show. You came on board as a writer. Yes. So at what point in the writer's room are you eyeing Roy and kind of writing in your notebook? Like, hmm. Just growl.

episode five I think there's a scene with keely in the car park where he's he scares her by mistake and then apologises and I don't know why but I was like I get it I get it I I just knew no one was thinking of me for it right and I didn't want to be a dickhead and I didn't want to embarrass anyone or you know I knew how awkward it would be if I said at any point I think I could play, Roy. So I left it till the end of the writer's room. And on the last day, I sent a self-take that I'd done and I said, if this is embarrassing, pretend you never got it. And I will never ask if you got it. But if you like it, I think I could do Roy. So if they had taken you up on that, I never said anything. I, well, I guess it was like, yeah, I mean, I sort of

had nothing to lose. The only thing I had to lose in hindsight was they might not ask me back for season two rides from because it's too awkward to ever let me in the eye again, which was a big risk. But if you're watching that show now in season three and Tom Hardy is playing Roy. Furious. Well, I don't know. I'm used to rejection as an actor, you know, I do, as hard as it is, also having been on the other side of it, you know, as someone who's cast people as well, there's that

whole, you must have seen Brian Cranson talk about it, but it's very. very true that you as in you show your interpretation of this character and then you have to leave because your interpretation might be brilliant but it might not be right for this it might not fit I know it's a you do your best and then it's a lottery right and so I I don't know it but Roy was different that is a kind of lie because I'm normally like that but with Roy it was different I did really felt very strong calling to it was getting even the writing gig on that show a big deal at the time. Again, you've been working solidly. But like you hadn't necessarily cracked into the American US market. And was that a goal or was

that an aspiration or was it? No, I've never had a plan. I've realized. I've never had a five-year plan to one-year plan. Right. Because I've always been like, well, you just just keep making stuff and things take you in certain directions. So I never had it. I always loved American stuff. everything I was watching was American and most of my favorite films were American so it was like I guess subconsciously I'd have always wanted to do that plus having worked so long in British TV where there's no money at all to and I don't mean to get paid what I mean is in terms of like production yeah you want to go like can we can we get a bottle of milk for this scene they're like wow I don't know okay buddy banks yeah um

but yeah so and then one thing i heard you talk about which which really i found amusing and interesting and it kind of keys into another conversation i had recently was there was this gap where like you make the show yeah and then you're sitting around for like a year yeah and i had this conversation with with speaking of everything everywhere ki hui kwan who like made that film and then waited forever oh wow yeah and he was like wondering if he was any good if it was going to change anything and like living in this whatever this limbo for you had you made you moved on? Have you kind of like made your piece with whatever it was going to be? I forget, because I have it now with shrinking, I forget that it's such a weird thing

that you make a thing and you kind of make the thing in private, you know, particularly with Ted Lassar. We're in, we're quite removed from everyone and everywhere. We were in this little bubble. We made this show. It felt magical. We all did this thing together. But I genuinely thought no one would watch it. So it was almost like this was for us. Like we got to experience this but no one's ever going to see it and thank you for a lovely time and then and then it's suddenly going to come out and you realize oh god it's so exposing and vulnerable and scary and like the whole world is going to or no one or however it's going to work you're suddenly got your thing that's been private is suddenly out of your hands your baby is gone and people will do

tell your baby shit or whatever and you're like that's my baby so that bit is really it's quite shocking every time it happens it's shocking because you forget oh yeah we have to go through that bit where you have to let go of the baby and how quickly did it feel like it's earned because like my recollection from the outside looking in was it wasn't like talk on avatar like the world it was a slow burn that first season yeah that's why i think the ted lasso thing is i don't know what it tells us about this business or anything what it tells you is no one fucking knows anything because ted lasso was a genuine word of mouth slow build hit which is not a thing that happens much and yeah it came out was very quiet i'd say we didn't hear much you know then we made season two then when we and season two was in lockdown and then when we came to new york where we are now to do the premiere or something for season two me and hannah wadingham went for a walk and we were mobbed and i was like oh this world has changed like everything has changed and how do people do people expect to see roy

like when your gentle voice comes out of that body are they like wait what happened yeah i mean i don't know i still haven't worked out if it would be better if i just told everyone to fuck off i don't know i mean it's a good out to yeah yeah yeah you're when you're associated with an asshole yeah yeah yeah i might i might have to cultivate that a bit more yeah i mean you could always tell somebody to fuck off and be like i was just doing a bit Yeah.

Being in character, what? Yeah, I forget to change my voice and they're like, that was really rude. It's really rude. Do people ask you to do, to go into the voice? Some, I've had people to ask me to sound as fuck off. Do you, and I know you oblige?

I go, well, that's not hard. I was just trying to take a walk. Are there strange offers to officiate weddings, bar mitzvah's character? No, I've not had that. Or maybe I have and it hasn't got to me. Yeah. And if anyone's listening, please don't.

Please don't send those others. What are the current rules for cursing in front of children? What's the... Mine? Personal rules. Any child. Children on set. Listen, I'm...

I don't know if it's obvious. I'm very price-wearing and don't think there should be any boundaries between language for... I mean, within recent... I don't know what the reason is. I don't seem to... be able to I swear in front of children they got it

at work in some time yeah yeah I don't you know give them their vocabulary where in

the list of accomplishments does appearing in FIFA 23 fucking hell I'd say that is being in FIFA 23 it's only just below

being on Sesame Street Sesame Street was the pinnacle that was it but then Phoebe 20th. It's fucking amazing and so surreal and playing against my nephew as myself on screen and beating it, scoring a goal as Roy Kent against my nephew and having Roy Kent on screen cheering and me cheered. That's pretty great. No. You broke through the Matrix. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. It is wild because it really does look like us. Yeah. It's very, it's very surreal. Every time we play, I'm like, what is it? Any cheat codes? Do they give you any, like, inside Durnum how to dominate? No, you just have to get good. We're really motivating when it's yourself. You go, well, I better be good at this because he's representing me, this guy. Is the voice taxing? Do you find that like it takes it out of it?

That's a fair question. I would say truthfully, you know, not being proper trained actor. I have no control over anything. So I'm sure there's a way of doing it that would. If I have big days of shouting, then I'm sort of fucked at night. So you're not taking care of your instrument. No, I do have. You're right.

No idea. Someone needs to tell me. No. You get you a vocal coach, just to preserve, the moneymaker. Yeah, it's true. Okay, here's the tough part of the conversation. Looking ahead to the last season three. Yeah.

What can we say? Is this the end? We can't say anything. We can't say anything. And partly because I'm not allowed to. same thing, but also, genuinely, my part in it in terms of, because I get that everyone sort of wants a nice stuff, but then I also go, don't you, wouldn't it be better if you don't know anything? Like, there's so few surprises left in this world. And if you're into it, like,

how wonderful to discover it again in a new, you know what I mean? Like, I want to spoil anything. Here's my question. Are we going to know, though, it's the end before it's the end? Like, are you just going to drop an episode and be like, peace out, guys. See you. Well, when the majority of the main cast die in the show, I think you figure, unless they're going supernatural, this is the end. So this is Game of Thrones style. They're all dropping one by one. The finale, we call the red wedding match. But there must be discussion, whether it is this season or two seasons or five seasons from now.

There's so much discussion on how shows end. Yeah. Has spent a lot of hours debating how to make it satisfying for you guys? on the audience, nonstop, nonstop. I mean, you care, because, of course, we care. Like, I think maybe it's a weird thing to be like, we're fans of this show. Like, we, I love all these characters and want it to end well. But, you know, Jason has a very clear vision and always has, and there's, we, no one's

phoning it, you know. Right. There's a long-stored history of spin-off shows. Yeah. From Frazier on the high end to, with all due respect, Joey on a different end. With all due respect to Joey. All due, yeah. Is there ever be a Roy Kent spin-off show?

That's the, again, none of these things are in my hand. I would do a Roy and Mindy show where Roy appears in an egg. And moves him with a lovely lady. Were you raised on Morgan Mindy? Was that? Yeah, I saw a lot of Mokamendi, loved Mokamendi. So good. Jonathan Winters.

I didn't know who Jonathan Winters was at the time, and I'm like, now in retrospect. Mokamindi's not giving its juice. No. It's not shown. Great show. I haven't seen it like... That and soap. Soap.

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100%. I saw Skinnamar rink this morning. You seen it? No. It's hard work. It's very good. It's hard work. It's hard work.

It's the sort of film I really admire where I go like, wow, you're not fucking about here. Like it's very slow, very demanding. But it is also, I've never seen anything like it. And I always respect that. Do you have aspirations to write features? I heard that, I heard Jason Siegel. has written or is writing a space ghost movie? I believe, I wouldn't like to miss me.

He's talked about it. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Have you read it? No, I've not read it, actually. That's intriguing. Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to make films. I'm a film guy. Yeah. So, because you have, you've already done a superhero film for those I don't know. Was it Super Bob? Super Bob, yeah. So, but I could see a Brett Goldstein meeting with Marvel or DC to like, I don't know. Is that a character that you would like to get your hands on?

to do Superbob in Marvel because I think he would be very funny in that world. I think we just need to get 25 billion people to see Superbop and then that could be a viable option. Although I guess you can't be two characters in the Marvel universe. You blew it, man. Fuck. All right, I'll go to DC then. Sorry. I don't mind.

How did Hercules happen? Set it up for me. So you appeared in the post credits of the last story film. Is that a Kevin Feigy? phone call? Do you have a relationship? No, no. Completely out of nowhere. I just got an email saying that Marvel producers would like to talk to you

about something. Obviously, I wasn't allowed to know any of it. And then I had a Zoom and they literally just explained, hey Brett, we're making this Thor Love and Thunder and at the end of it, blah blah, blah, this happens, this happens, and then the camera spins around and it's you and I went, are you fucking

joking? You're working on your phone ideas. Is that like, Mr. Marvel? Like, who is this? Yeah. It was literally that. And then they'd already done the artwork, like they'd drawn me as Huggles. And it was really impressive.

I mean, it was FIFA 23 impressive. I was like, wow, you've really done this. So yeah. I mean, that's probably of all the things, that was the one that was most completely out of nowhere. Left field, like, never considered it. It wasn't on my radar. Just a wild thing. And do they like, when you have that initial meeting, say like, look, we can't guarantee anything, but look, we could see you popping up in other places. Like, is there any promise or talk of that? There must be something. I can't say anything because they put a chip in your head.

So I hear. Yeah. There are a lot of chips going around because everyone's in the Marvel. Yeah, yeah. That's why actors are weird. You used to be so well adjusted, but now they all chips. Electroquite every time they're asked a bubble question. Fige is like, yeah. But safe to, look, you have, I think, two words that you've said in the MCU so far. Yeah. Yes, Father. Well done.

Thank you. Thank you. Was there a monologue that was cut? Was that literally it? It was three, it was an eight-page monologue that they got down to two words. No. We've rethought the role. Yeah.

Yes, father works the rest. It's better if you say less. No, it was just that. But look, with all due humility, can you take on Chris Hemsworth? The man is a beast. he's a big boy in they dude with all due humility he's a big boy

but does he have massive muscles yes he does but hang on a second does he have incredible unbelievable charisma yes he does we can find something

wait but does he have the ability to look like a god yes he does we got to find something what's your advantage You have to have something. Hair?

Body hair? You got great body hair. Thank you. Maybe that's the way I beat Thor. You can out curse him probably. Yeah, he's not a swearer. We wouldn't know what to do, freak him out. So, okay, you said before you don't do the two or five-year plan, and we don't know if Ted Lassow continues or not.

But, like, we also said that you balance six different jobs at once. You like to do that. So, like, when you leave here and you're done with the press, are there three scripts you're working? Like, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah. What are you talking about? Well, I do stand-up most nights. Do you really, you like still prioritize that?

Yeah. Because I love it. And weirdly, it makes me, I just think stand-ups like heroin. Like, I need to do it to feel normal, sadly. We'll spend the end talking about your heroin problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a hobby. Yeah.

And, yeah, it's, you've got to give you to have one treat. It's, uh, don't deny him as heroin, guys. Does Chris everyone have heroin? No, that's how I beat him. Heroin. There you go. You can cut the C word, stick with her. Don't worry.

The kids will love it. What's the question? Oh, but how busy. Yes, writing scripts and working on five different things and ideas and TV shows and films and trying to also use this window to help other people get some stuff made that I think are brilliant, that I haven't had the opportunity. You know, that's the other thing, too. that is a nice part of it is being able to kind of give back and help people that you think of amazing that haven't had a window open.

And for something like shrinking, were you on set at all? Did I re-correctly? No, I was in London making Ted Lassau. So what was sort of a great thing about shrinking for me is I was on Zoom at night with it and I would see all the rushes when I got home. and because this cast are amazing and they also have good improvisers there would be like Easter eggs in the takes I'd see like

there's a moment in the pilot where Jason goes, release me when he's in the bush that wasn't in the script like stuff like that you're like ah this is fucking great yeah making you're making me like yeah I shouldn't have said that I write that no that was an action the first rule of Hollywood

take all the credit yeah yeah do you feel like I mean does the experience on Ted Lassow make you a better everything, better writer, better producer, better collaborator. For sure, for sure. I think, look, your man Jason Sudecis is really a very clever man. He's a smart man. It's a very clever man and he's very, very good.

And I've certainly learned so much from being there and from watching him and that I keep using this word. And I don't know if it's an actual word, but intentionality. Is it a word? Sounds real. Sure. Sounds like it could be. yeah that that thing of which i think is something kind of instinctual but it's worth checking whenever you're making a decision with a joke with a move with a story beat any of it that

i agree with jason i think he thinks this that funny's easy if you're funny people funny's easy that the decision is why are you putting this joke in like what's it for right i think everything has to have a meaning like because you could just do loads of jokes you could do yes very easy to pile on jokes on stuff it's just why are you doing it like what's the point what's the theme of this what does this mean for the character all of that that's just the stuff you need to think about you know what i realized we're coming full circle as we wrap up um so you've given many actors great roles in this but speaking of our harrison ford obsession potentially he is now your biggest competition.

Oh, no. So you're the two-time reigning Emmy winner in your category. Oh, God. Dude, Harrison Ford could take it from you. He's very, very good. I mean, you can't really.

He's very, very good. This is a disaster. Destroyed the tapes. Dancell the show. He's not coming out. He's not enough. It's never coming out. Oh, well, trust us, guys.

The show was great. You'll never see it. It's really. really powerful movie. That's going to give it real currency in the decades to come that it was a show that was never seen except by 50 numbers of the press. You and me? We'll just keep talking about the release me, Jaguar, we're going to, don't get it.

Just despite Harrison Ford. What a story. Yeah, worth it. Intentionality. Why did you shut it down for a very good reason? Spite. It fuels all of us. This has been a real pleasure, man.

I'm such a fan of everything you do. as if people needed to be reminded shrinking is the new series on Apple of course Tedlas is coming pretty soon that's the word on the street and guys check out I don't want to advertise another podcast but I can listen to another podcast

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