Happy Sad Confused - Bryce Dallas Howard

Episode Date: June 2, 2015

Wonderful actress and one of the nicest people on the planet, Bryce Dallas Howard joins Josh to talk about getting permission from her parents to see Jurassic Park as a child to now starring in Jurassic World, performing naked onstage, her experience on M. Night Shyamalan’s The Village, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Squarespace, build it beautiful. Hey guys, welcome to another edition of HappySat Confused. I am Josh Horowitz, your fearless leader in this podcast endeavor. We call HappySad Confused. We had the week off last week with the holiday, but we are back bigger and better than ever. This week's guest, one of the stars of Jurassic World, Bryce, Dallas, Howard. I'm going to keep the shenanigans, the introduction pretty short because this was a long one, one of the longer ones we've done. Bryce was so great.

Um, she, of course, has starred in so many great films from, uh, the village and the help and 50, 50. Um, and she's taken a break in recent years. She had a kid. And now she's back in a big way with Jurassic World opposite Chris Pratt and a slew of scary dinosaurs. Um, Bryce literally just left my office. We had a long chat. She has set a new record on Happy Side Confused for the most, um, random questions answered. from our little Indiana Jones fedora. So look forward to that and just a lot of great stories. I had a blast reconnecting with Bryce, who's one of the nicest people on the planet and from one of the coolest families. Obviously, her dad, Ron, one of the best filmmakers in, you know, the last 30 years,

I would say, of making blockbuster entertainment. And Bryce, I have a feeling we'll be directing features sometime soon. She's done a bunch of really cool shorts in addition to her awesome acting work. But I think that's all the preamble I'm going to give you guys right now except to say we'll resume kind of the question and answer thing next week if you guys want to send in your questions to me just use the hashtag happy sad confused send it to me on Twitter. I'm Joshua Horowitz and also let me know what you're liking who you want to hear on the show. We're knee deep in summer. I've seen Mad Max five times because I'm insane a lot of big summer movies coming up a lot of really cool guests coming up. I'm excited. Summer's off to a good start. So without any further ado, let's get into it, my chat with the great actress that is Ms. Bryce Dallas Howard. We need to just dive right in and talk about this. Is that okay? Is that okay? Yes, yes, yes. We're off and running. First of all, it's really good to see you. It's been a while.

You too. Um, we just, we, so usually we do happy, second views photos afterwards, but we decided to get them out of the way. And I have to say, you guys are going to see these photos. I'm very impressed. This is in the first, in about 250 photos with folks over the last two years, it's our first actual tears. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I am, I don't even know. I, I was hoping to get tears out during the actual course of the conversation. Right. But this is preemptive. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's like, it's like my parlor. trick. It's that. That's it. That's all I have. It's been far too long, but you've been busy, I guess. Yeah, I had a baby. You had a baby. Congratulations. Last time I saw you, I think I was very, very newly pregnant. I think so. I think so. Because, yeah, there was like a year or two period where I feel like I was seeing you like every two or three months because you had, you were working

a lot. You had a lot of stuff that was up our alley, everybody's alley. And it was always fun to really catch up with you. So part of the fun when I heard Jurassic Press was coming around the bend was like, oh, I'm going to get to reunite with Brice. Oh, that's so nice. Thank you. Seriously. And you're just back from Paris, right? Yeah, I got, I'm like, I don't know where I am.

Don't test to be on that, Josh. Yeah, I just got here from Paris last night. Two days before that, I was in London. And the day before that, I was in China. So you've soaked it all up really well. You really did a lot sightseeing. Yeah, I really got to absorb my environment. No, isn't it crazy?

It's just the weirdest thing to just get to go around the world and then see the interiors of hotels. Awesome. But you've also gotten to you, I'm jealous because they haven't shown this yet. I'm seeing it this week. I'm seeing Jurassic this week. Cool. And but the early, I mean, this literally, it just started to screen, like, I guess they showed it in Paris, right? And, like, the buzz is really good.

People seem really, really excited about it. Yeah, that's what I've heard, but you just, I mean, you never know. So I'm really, I'm excited. Did you sit through? Have you seen it? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen it a couple of times now.

And relieved, excited. Because this kind of movie, when you see it, it's like you were in one movie, but then they've created a whole other thing. Yeah, like 70% of the movie. I had just no idea what was going to happen. Right. Because it's dinosaurs. Yeah, I mean, I was so happy seeing the film because I had such a great experience and because I had such high hopes as well. Just as a fan myself, I mean, I saw Jurassic Park when I was 12 years old in the theater opening weekend.

And I don't know, I feel like I would die if I felt like I was a part of something that would somehow spoil that legacy or Mara in any kind of a way. And I think that's one of the good things about talking to Chris and Colin. Like everybody's talking the same way. It's like these are fans first and then they came to the business. And in some cases, Jurassic was a part of reasons for why you would get into a business like this. For sure. So it's more than just like a job here. It's like, yeah, you don't want to fail your childhood obsession.

I was going to say it's your childhood. Like, this is our childhood at stake right now. Oh, man. It's crazy. But it's also like, yeah, because when I was thinking about this franchise, it's, that first film, I'm a little bit older than you. But like, if it hits you between like 10 and 20 or even 5 and 18, there's something. Please don't tell me any five-year-olds are watching Jurassic Park. Well, that was a question.

So your kid, your older one, Theo is what, like seven? He's just, well, yeah, he's eight. So is he going to see it? Is it appropriate? Is it going to... He's, I'm going to have my husband watch it, and we're going to talk about it. I am super protective when it comes to media and images, and I think because I, as a child, I had such horrific nightmares.

To be frank, as an adult, I do too. And I still, to this day, like, when I'm going and getting into bed, I kind of take like a running leap and I like jump into bed just in case a hand swipes from underneath the bed. Because this happens every day. People know this. Exactly. You always got to watch out for that thing underneath the bed, grownups. But so yeah, so part of me is just like, oh my goodness,

I, you know, I want him to be able to watch it in the theaters and he so desperately wants to see it. It must be going out of his mind. Yeah, he really is. Oh, man, I don't know. What film? What films inspired your dread as a child? Did you have a traumatic event or two? that scarred me for life? Well, my parents were pretty, they were pretty cautious.

In fact, they weren't going to let me watch Jurassic Park because I was 12 and it was PG-13 and they're just really like literally so, like, so literal about these things. But they saw it and then I have a vivid memory of this. They came home from the theater and my dad said to me, this is cinema history. You have to go watch this in a movie. And I was so happy. that he let me do that. And, yeah, wait, what was your question?

Being traumatized as a child. Oh, being traumatized as a child. So, was that traumatized as a child? I mean, I know that when I would go swimming in the pool, I had to keep my eyes open because I was convinced there was a shark there. So I actually can't remember whether or not that was before or after I watched Jaws. But there was some sense that there was this shark around. Yeah.

still sleep with the lights on. And yet, like, 40% of your career has been spent in some pretty scary movies. Isn't that weird? What are you sorting through? Let's get on the couch. What's going on? I know. I have no idea what's going on.

I have no idea. My mom says this really great thing where she says, you know, it's important to, while they were really strict and they were very protective, she feels that for children, to a certain degree, she was actually defending the Grimm's fairy tales when she said this. But she said to a certain degree, you need to expose your children to monsters. otherwise they will create them, and it will be so much worse than you could ever imagine. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's really true.

And maybe that was kind of hard-earned wisdom because of me. The screams that came out of crisis. My daughter, who's three and a half, saw my son was watching Paddington Bear, and I hadn't seen it yet. And I'm usually pretty diligent about watching something before my kids, my kids, watch it. And he really wanted Beatrice to watch it with him. And it was really sweet. And he kind of, like, set up a whole thing for her, like, next to him. And they were going to cuddle together while like watching Paddington Bear. And so I just, I kind of gave it. And I was like, absolutely. In the middle of the movie, I, now I haven't seen it. So I don't know exactly what was

having. In the middle of the movie, all of a sudden Beatrice goes, oh, no, no, scary, scary. And I had to run over and shut it off. Like, she was freaked. And I asked her what was happening. And she was saying that Paddington was trying to get into someone's house. Right. And there was a break-in involved in Paddington. I've seen it, and I don't even remember this.

But this is like, yeah. She said there was something where Paddington was trying to get into someone's house. And that he wasn't such a nice guy. He wasn't such a nice guy. There's that 20-minute sequence where he's breaking and entering into people's homes leads a life of crime. Yes. And so now it's like she's just, you know, intruders.

All of a sudden, the fear of intruders was born with Paddington Bear because I failed as a parent to protect her. No, no. It just shows there's nothing you can do. You might as well just let them see everything. As a non-parent, that's my advice to you. Oh, man. But it's also interesting because you would think, I don't know, you would guess that growing up and, you know, having been on sets as a kid, does, you know, one might assume that would color like, okay, this is make-believe.

This is like, I'm not, this is what daddy does at work, so it can't hurt me. But I guess a kid is a kid, and it's like, when you see it projected on a big screen, it still has power. Yeah, I'm not, in many ways, I'm not a savvy moviegoer. Savvy's probably not the right word. It's that I get transported immediately. You're still able to switch off. Instantly. And if there's something amazing, I'll try to figure it out afterwards.

Where I'll say, man, how did they? I remember watching children of men, I was like, how did they get that shot? How did they get that shot? You know, so I'll sort of birdman was a recent one. I was just like, I need to figure out how they did this movie. So, you know, I get interested in kind of the technical side of the filmmaking. But in the moment, I'm so there. And, like, my mom's the same way.

She talks through every movie because she's interacting with the characters on screen, practically. You guys are the perfect audience. I mean, honestly. Actually, my mom was at the Paris premiere, and Colin was sitting to my left, and my mom was sitting to my right. And about 15 minutes in, he leaned over to me, and he said, I want to watch every movie with your mother. My God, probably makes it 40% better. I know. I know.

what's your own what's your relationship with because like if you see some of like the like the posters in my office they're like I could just as easily have like backdraft or parenthood like like I grew up like in that kind of like zone of like when you were probably between yeah like 10 or 15 or whatever is your relationship with those films at all similar probably to mine or do you have like a weird different kind of thing with no I mean that those are well backdraft was rated R so that wasn't something I was going to be saying at the age of eight Well, I guess it came out when I was nine. Willow. Willow. Willow. My legs are in Willow. Are they really? Kind of unintentionally.

I wasn't supposed to be. I wasn't allowed to be an extra until I was seven, which was parenthood. But Warwick wasn't available on second unit one day. So they were like, they were like, get throw her in there. Where's my, oh, I have a Willow comic book. Oh, look at that. Signed by Val. So nice.

Really? He wrote Peck, Peck, Peck. that's so cool oh my god that's amazing yeah but yeah no i mean movies movies is is kind of what bonded us as a family it's what we love to do and and talk about and my mom's a huge movie lover and and obviously my dad is as well so yeah it's it's that's i mean i often find that directors are sort of the most fanatical about movies out of anyone. And I think in a way, if I inherited anything from my father, it's probably that. And I watch some of your directing efforts.

I'm surprised you haven't done a feature. I mean, you've been busy with a couple kids in recent years. So I guess there's that. But like I even watched it. It was so adorable. What was the canon short you did? Which one? Soulmates?

The one I just did? Oh, cool. It's so sweet. It reminded me of that kind of that like sequence in Up, just like them growing up for the years. It's like just so, and I guess I saw it like your entire family's feet, thanks to that film. Yes, yes, it did. So I don't know I feel about that. That sequence and up is like, just murders me.

Yeah, talk about sequences that transport you and. Yeah, Pixar films. So has directing been something that's, I mean, that's clearly an ambition. Yeah, it's a thing you're doing. I mean, yeah, I've mostly, I've directed, I think, I've directed over 10. but probably like 12 short films at this point. And it was really funny because it was kind of the thing that I did when I was pregnant for the most part. Like I did my first short film when I was pregnant with my son when I was 25.

And then I didn't do another short film until I was pregnant with my daughter, which was I was, that was also with Canon. It was my first thing with Canon. It was like 30 minutes long. And then from there I started doing a lot of, I started working with a lot of brands to, to, you know, do films or, you know, short documentaries that had to do with some sort of campaign that they were doing that had kind of an altruistic component to it.

And I've loved it so far. And I've really loved getting to do short content. And yes, I would love to do a feature film. Absolutely. And I hope that happens, you know, I hope that happens in the future. But I also love acting. So it's tough. It's like, it's not, I'm not one of those actors where it's my whole dream.

just to stop acting and start directing. Sure. And for my dad, I mean, he really left acting completely. Yeah. And I don't want that. I would love to get to keep acting and then also direct. I mean, that would be wonderful. So since we have some time, let's go back down memory lane a little bit.

Yes. So the beginning. Yes. Okay. So first acting was in what form? Was school? School. Yeah.

Yeah, totally school. So, yeah, it's cool. And then I want, like, plays and musical theater, a lot of musical theater. And why do you say it like that? Were you not good or were you ashamed or were you what? No, I was excellent. What are you saying? No, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I did a lot of musical theater. But then I wanted to, when I was applying to colleges, the first school that I applied to early decision was NYU. And the reason why I was so interested in going there was because I could do a double major. And writing was very important to me at the time. And so I still is, actually. And so I went to NYU for both writing and acting. And I interned at Vanity Fair the summer before I went to NYU because I wanted to see the more kind of commercial side of writing and how

one might have a career where they support their family as opposed to being a novelist. where some novelists do great and most, nothing at all. So I, for sure, that was something that was important to explore. And I got a little lucky

during, when I was at college, I did a very experimental play, a Heiner-Muehler play called Hamlet Machine, that was incredibly wild. I was naked on stage for an hour and a half. And from that, I got representation and signed with my agent, who is my agent to the day. At the time, she was an assistant at a boutique agency here in New York. And now, you know, she's at a, you know, bigger agency.

So was, okay, so like in that kind of performance as a young person, was that, was that out of character? Because in reading about you, it sounds like, I mean, maybe social outcast is too harsh, afraid. But it sounds like you had some trouble fitting in. You didn't feel necessarily you were part of the crowd, fair to say. Yeah, it wasn't so much trouble. It was really that I was cool with not being cool. I liked everyone in high school. I had a really good experience.

No, nothing traumatic. I also never once had lunch in the lunchroom. This is why you and I get along. No, I swear to God. Because, yeah, I never did that. I grew up here in the city. never like never I also didn't drink I've never had a sip of alcohol I know that I do drink now yeah but responsibly of course but no and it that is a an automatic barrier to kids growing up yeah and I

found that and it's funny because when I think back on it part of the reason I think that I didn't drink when I was young because I kept saying but like I was so righteous about it I was like I'm what are we breaking the law are we going to break the law everybody you know we're just starting out in life you really? Is this really your best foot forward here? And I wonder if it was in part an excuse to just not have to go to those parties. Oh, totally. Yes. Real awkward. Very, that's a very good analysis for yourself and for me. You've figured me out now just in that phrase. Yeah, totally. Yeah. It's a way out. Yeah. Yeah. So that was kind of high school. Yeah. And I know that a way out of uncomfortable situations, socially at least, is also drinking.

True. There's one extreme. or the other. Yes. Yes. But I just, I just didn't want to. So it was, it was,

yeah, it was completely fine sort of going through high school that way. And I was very happy. And then doing the stuff on stage in terms of what was like nudity an issue,

like as a 21 or 22 year old? No. 18 year old. Oh, wow. No. And my parents saw the play and my grandfather saw the play.

And my dad was kind of appropriately freaked. The right amount of freets as he should be as a dad. Yes. And my granddad said the best thing because he's an actor. And he said, you know, this is so great that she's doing this because she's now, she's not going to be afraid of anything. She's not going to feel inhibited in anything. And I think he was definitely right in that.

And it, for whatever reason, it just didn't, it didn't freak me out. And I think in a way because it wasn't connected to sexuality, you know, it wasn't a love scene. a really bizarre play where I was kind of like half of a of act too was me just kind of hanging hanging through a window seal with like my butt up in the air you know I mean this is just I'm sort of whatever right it's kind of crazy you can't make sense of it no you know when actresses are like you know if it makes sense for the character all this kind of stuff for me I'm just like as long as it makes absolutely no sense I will take my clothes off and was that was that was that performance the one that night saw or was it no no i i started doing theater um so i left school

uh because i got a job um here in the city at manhattan theater club and then i did uh something on broadway at the roundabout and a few regional shows and then i did a uh shakespeare show as you like at at the public and night came and saw that and um and actually waited for me afterwards which i couldn't believe at the time because I was, I had, um, breakable was like my favorite movie. Oh, my know. Obsessed. Yeah. Exactly. And, um, and so that was kind of the highlight of my life at that point. I was like, M. Night Shyamlon saw me in a show and waited to introduce himself. I can't believe that. My life is made. And, uh, and just a short while later, I, the show, the show closed and, um, and I heard from my agent that he, he reached out and then he wanted

to go to lunch and I had absolutely no idea why. Couldn't imagine that it was, for a part. I actually thought at the time that he was going to ask me about how I was raised and raising kids in the business with a father who's a director. That's actually what I thought he was going to ask about. And in the middle of this lunch, he pulled out a manila envelope and gave it to me and said, I've written a movie called The Village and I would like you to play the lead. So this was already, okay, so Kirsten had, because Kirsten was going to play it for a time. So by this time she'd already gone and he needed somebody and he, wow. Yeah. Crazy. Wild. I mean, my dad thought it was crazy too. I remember my dad just being like, wait, what? Are you, what? No. So, yeah, so that kind of happened out of the blue in there and, you know, in an acting career.

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Incredible human being. Incredible. And brilliant. Yes. But here's what struck me about watching the film. And I knew this, but just watching the film, the cast is insane. Yeah, right? It is insane.

Like, so you're the lead in your, basically your first film outside of Willow's legs. Yes. Yes. Yes. And it's William Hurt, Joaquin, Phoenix, Adrian Brody. Right after winning an Oscar. Adrian Brody. I mean, when night was said to me, oh, yeah, it's going to be Adrian Brody.

I was like, what? Yeah. Like, I'd just seen his speech. And he kissed Hallie Berry. Now he's in this movie. And then you have Jesse Eisenberg's in there, Fran Cranes. I mean, you have all these cool people. Judy Greer.

Judy Greer. So are you, is it just like another point of existence where you're like, okay, this is so bizarre, I'm cool with it? Or is it like, I'm fucking freaked out every day that I have to, I'm carrying a story in a way. I couldn't process it enough to be freaked out. It was insane. I mean, it was really, it doesn't happen that a director sees someone in a play who's kind of at that moment in their career. Like night was just, it was just on the heels of signs.

Yeah. And he was as high as he ever was. Exactly. Yeah, and to get to do a project like that and a role like that, I'm playing a blind girl and he doesn't audition me. He's not curious as to how, what my take might be for that thing that has like, it's like a really specific kind of performance. Yeah.

I mean, it's just, it's remarkable to me that he, that he had that instinct. And, I mean, what's funny is I'm just like, oh, yeah, he had that instinct. But the truth is, is then it followed by six months of rehearsals where he really guided me toward that performance. And so, yeah, I don't know why I wasn't. Like, when I would meet people, I would get a little red and I'd be a little nervous. But for the most part, I just was kind of bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and really excited. Was your experience, like, and you're not the type that would ever, like, speak out of turn about people.

But, like, there are some interesting personalities in that cast. William Hurt is notoriously an interesting guy, to say the least. Joaquin, we know. I mean, he's fascinating, but he's certainly an odd duck. I mean, were they, I mean, was it sort of out of the norm when you look back on it compared to the kind of actors you worked with later? Was it an interesting kind of assemblage of personalities? It was in the most extraordinary way. We all lived together in a bed and breakfast while we were shooting and called Sweetwater Farm. And we would have dinner together every single night. I actually had a, a chef prepare dinner for us every single day.

I mean, this was before 2008 when everything crashed right. The glory days of the movie industry. And we felt so bonded so quickly.

Actually, before filming, we kind of went to this we did this sort of camping experience together where we all went into the woods and we were learning

how to do all the things that people would do within a community in the 1800s and it was it was just an incredible experience to have with a with a group of adults that felt so reminiscent of summer camp honestly and and so we all got very very very very very close oh my gosh now I'm thinking like Brendan Gleason was in that movie Jerry Jones Sigourney Weaver oh my gosh um nuts and and and Bill is In particular, I could cry, thinking about him, he played my father. And as everybody rapped on the movie, as everybody finished on the movie, one by one, they were leaving Sweetwater.

And I was, the last three weeks of shooting was just me in the forest. And so I knew that I was going to be on my own. And Bill rapped, and he said, oh, he wasn't quite sure when he was going to leave. he was going to stay for a few more days. He stayed the entire time because he didn't want for me to be alone. And every single night, we would have dinner together and he would run my lines with me for the next day.

And he took care of me like a father. And this is after, you know, this is not a method situation because he had wrapped. Like his performance was in the can. Just nothing, nowhere to go. Yes. He liked the catering. He had his kids actually come out to be.

with him because, you know, of course, he wanted to be with his family. And, and, um, thinking back on it now, I mean, I certainly didn't take it for granted at the time, but just as an adult now with my own family and thinking back at that gesture, it's, uh, it was such a gift. You know, his friendship was an enormous gift. And as was, you know, the relationship with everybody in the cast. And, um, I mean, it was unreal. It was also crazy because, like, Joaquin, I was, I was super enamored with him.

when I was a seven-year-old during parenthood. Oh, of course, yeah. And he was Leif at the time. And I was like, oh, who is this brooding young man? There's just something about him. And it was just one of those amazing experiences. And I actually feel very similarly about Jurassic World. It was actually four years between the help and Jurassic World.

And it was because I got people. pregnant and had a baby and my husband was working out of the country at the time and I wanted to keep the family together and um um and I for a moment felt sort of I was directing these these short films but I felt really out of the flow of things in terms of acting and then you know Colin comes in and gives me this part out of nowhere and um and then it was it was just this experience of feeling like you like working with Chris working with Judy Greer again you know, working with Colin, it felt like family and is incredible. You mentioned that break because, I mean, I mean, it sounds like you experienced this.

I mean, you know as well as I do. It's like the turnover is so quick. Who's the it person this moment? Yes, if you're not working for seven days, you might as well retire. Yeah, and you've experienced that. You've been the it person right off the bat. You were, you know, everywhere. And it's like the fact that you can come around and take a break and be in, arguably, the biggest

film of the summer. I mean, was there concern, like, am I going to be able to get the kind of roles? Yes, absolutely. A lot of concern. And I wasn't sure kind of what it was going to be like and how I was going to get back into it. And I actually, perhaps weirdly, I really enjoy auditioning. So I thought to myself, you know, as long as I can get into the room, that's going to be fun. And, you know, it may take a year or so.

but hopefully I'll get back into the flow of working again. But to get this. And also, it was crazy. I mean, I talked with Colin and asked him for the chance to audition. And then a few weeks later, very similar to my experience with Knight, he called me and he offered me the part. I can't believe it. From what I've heard, and again, I'm at a disadvantage because I haven't seen the movie. But it sounds like the character.

Gets to exhibit some strength. Oh, for sure. Right? Oh, yeah. Is that, I mean, is that important to you? I mean, I'm just coming off. I've seen Mad Max Fury Road five times in the last three weeks. I'm obsessed.

I have not seen it and I'm dying to see it. Knowing what I know and what we've discussed in terms of love of filmmaking and just the art. Yeah. I was in just a few weeks ago. I was in New Zealand and it wasn't released there yet. And then came back and went into this. And I'm dying to see it. It's a next level.

But it must be excited. to, I don't want to get into the kind of cliched kind of like strong female characters kind of thing, but it is. I mean, it's important to like you don't want to be the appendage to Chris Pratt. You want someone that's going to have their own arc and strength. Because I've always said strong female characters. And then I realized it's really, it's really dimensional because I'm cool with playing a flawed, weak-minded, um, complex person. It doesn't necessarily need to be strong, but I think strongly written character, you know, a fully fleshed out, I mean, I'm just interested in playing a human being.

Yeah. You know? Not an archetype, not just like. Yeah. Yeah. A silhouette. Yeah. Has that, I mean, it seems like you've avoided that.

I think so. I mean, I'm lucky in that way because I don't, you don't see me and think, oh, that's a piece of me. You know, you're not like, oh, I just want to, I just don't want to see or talk, and I just want to look at that. She's just sit naked with her butt out of window like she did with the stars. That is your place in life, Bryce. You're going to come around.

It's going to happen again. I think that ship has sailed. You have also been, I mean, Jurassic's the latest example, a crazy amount of big movies. Is that just happens? I mean, it has to be happens since it's not like anyone charts out. Like, I'm going to be in four different franchises throughout a career. It's just, I mean, it's, that I think more than anything is a reflection of, of kind of my personal fan boydom because I,

and that was a word that I just created. So fan dash boy dash dumb. But I love getting to see those movies. You know, I get really excited to see those films in the theater. And so if someone mentions the possibility of an audition, say, for something like that, I mean, I'm not going to be like, I'm so excited to see that movie. There's no way that I want to be able to it.

So that's something that I love. love. And then, of course, you know, I, I do some strange movies and then I do some really intimate kind of personal films. And, and then sometimes I go for long periods of time where I don't do movies. Hopefully, hopefully that won't happen again. Because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very satisfied with my family of two children and, you know, one male, one female, and will replace my husband and I, and we will not contribute to the population problem. The family, did they all go to, because Pete's Dragon, was shot somewhere pretty remote, I feel like, right?

New Zealand, all over New Zealand. Yeah, and they were with me the whole time. My kids always come with me. I'm so fascinated by that one again. I mean, I remember it from a kid, but what, you have David Lowry's the director? Yes. Who, if people don't know, ain't them body saints, like, you would not think, oh, naturally, this guy's, like, showing Terence Maliki kind of, like, vibes and he's going to do

Pete's drag. Okay, my ears perk up for that. It's cool, right? It's kind of what happened with Colin. I mean, I kind of. It's a very similar situation. And I think it speaks to sort of where we're at right now within the storytelling industry because of the sophistication of television.

Yeah. We are demanding more. We're demanding more of our theatrical experience. And it's not just about an actor who can, or not an actor, but a director who can direct action or, you know, make a marketable film. It's really about creating. these films that are layered and layered to the point

that it would justify an individual leaving their pristine home entertainment system getting into a car, driving, parking, seeking out, you know, fighting for a seat and watching a movie. And so that's a lot to ask of someone these days. You know, it's really cozy to stay at home.

Yeah. So I think that studios are hip to the fact that it requires a filmmaker who in, who has the abilities to bring those layers and those complexities to, you know, to these, these kind of these titles. Hey, guys, time for a special message from our friends over at Squarespace. You guys know about Squarespace, but if not, let's go over some basics. First of all, you know, and I know this from personal experience, that building website can be downright impossible, really tough.

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your support for HappySaid Confused. We'd like to thank Squarespace for their support of HappySat Confused. Squarespace, build it beautiful. In looking at the, you've worked with a, I feel like a disproportionate amount of really nice filmmakers. I really have. Like, you really have. Like, like, even just in my limited experience, talking to most of these guys, they're really good people. Awesome people. And then I think of someone who I haven't interviewed, but like Lars von Trier.

Yes. Who's, and this, again. A doll baby. Really? Yes. Because he's even talked recently about how he, and who knows, sometimes you don't believe coming out of his mouth because he's that kind of guy, but how he's now, I think, clean and sober. He had had issues. Was that not like, did you not have any sense of like, this is a guy with issues and I'm

going to make the best of it? He was actually cool. He was so cool and so sweet and vulnerable and open and a little Dickens too. You know, I mean, he's just, he's a, he can be a little playful, naughty boy and say, say provocative things, but it's, it's, um, his heart is coming from a good place. It's coming from the best place. And he's, he's just a sweetheart. Actually, I, I, um, was talking to Kirsten Dunst, not too long ago about this. And she just, also just, a, adored Lars and working with him. And, um, and so I don't know, and I know Nicole loves Lars too. So I think he might have had some early I mean the Bjork relationship was well Was I think a little contentious

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But beyond that, all the women that I've spoken to And actors also, male actors as well that I've spoken to Who've worked with Lars, they worship him. Yeah. Another one in that vein, I feel like I'm getting, and I apologize if it feels like I'm talking controversial stuff now. But like similarly, you know, we're different kind of

So Christian Bail. Yes. So to Rear Salvation. Another sweet guy who, like, you know, I've gotten a chance to talk to in recent years. And really cool guy who had an unfortunate incident in the middle of your film to Rear Salvation. Were you there that day? Was that? Listen to the recording and see whether or not my name is mentioned.

Oh, it's been a while. I haven't listened. Oh, no. Yeah, I was there. So did you really, in that moment, did you realize this was going to, you didn't know it was a thing because you didn't know anyone was recording it? Well, we, yeah, we didn't know. that it was going to necessarily be public, but it was, it was really intense. And it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, like, those

things are taken out of context. And, um, it was a brutal day. There was a hurricane coming in. We had one take. Yeah. We had all pulled in all night or the previous night because, um, because, um, because there was some, uh, we weren't whether or not, like, what scene we were going to see the, shoot the scene, where he was actually supposed to be unhinged. That was his moment. That was kind of like his, his, um, sound like you had a perfect storm of events where he had to be at this emotional apex.

Yes. And we had kind of one shot at it. And, um, and it was his character's rock bottom moment. And there had been technical issues. And, um, and yeah. And then, and then that happened. And it, and it sucked. And, um, it sucked for everyone. And, um, Christian was devastated.

He just felt awful. And then for it to go public like that, it's just, you know, eh. It must give you like an interesting, like we were talking about night before, like a perspective where like you know these people and like you know what, you know, you know, you know, you know, you've worked with them day to day. I mean, and like, things can be reduced into a headline and about context. It's really intense because it's none of us. get into this because, well, I mean, maybe I shouldn't speak for everyone, but the people that I've worked with, we don't get into this because we want to be public people. We don't want to be

politicians, you know. It's, we do it because we're actually a little unpredictable, you know, because we're, we're interested in storytelling and, um, and, and human behavior and, um, and all of the complexities within that. And, um, it's, now, especially, there is so much transparent. And I don't have a problem with it. I mean, it's, it's, it's okay for sure. But, um, yeah, yeah. But it is, it is, it's a little bit of a weird thing that, that it's, it's, I mean, my goal is to kind of disappear when I'm doing something.

And then to even, I mean, this is cool and stuff, but it's such a weird thing for me to like, wrap my mind around talking about it. Sure. Because it is this sort of, um, what would be the right world? is it ephemeral? It's like this, it's this thing where when you experience, when you're part of making a movie, that's, that's, that's, it's difficult to articulate. Yeah.

And, and, and then, you know, it gets reduced to talking points. Right. And that's, that's a, um, I think more often than not, that is the, the most challenging part of, of the, the business. And, and the thing that people are least purport. prepared for. I love what Pratt put on his, what, Facebook preemptively before the press. Genius.

Basically saying that everything was going to be taking out of context and apologizing. And what is hilarious about that is that the, so I've been in so many interviews with them at this point. And almost everyone is mentioned and they're just like, why did you apologize? So like that thing became controversial. Understand something. He's like, I was making a joke. Since you're not on social media as far as I know.

Yes, I'm not. I thought you should see our buddy Jessica Chastain posted this forward, which I love. Did you see this? Oh, this is when we were at a party together. I was so worried about her knee. She had just got any surgery. Anyway, I shouldn't say this. People still think we're in the same person.

That is hilarious. Oh, my gosh. So that's the two of you together to party. And yes, I suppose people. And people, you get a little of the chastain recognition sometimes. Does that happen? Oh, only on good day. She's kind of the best person in the world, right?

I know, seriously. It's like, oh, I'm sorry. I was taking you for Jessica Chastate. I'm like, no, please do. I beg of you. Let's wrap it up. It's been a long day for you. Sorry, I can't get over that.

That is hilarious that she did that. That's great. She's the best. Yeah, she's so cool. I've got a fedora, Indiana Jones fedora. Maybe it'll be filled by Chris Pratt at one day or not. We don't know. Oh, man.

Is this a real Indiana Jones fedora? No, I wouldn't take that from a. From, oh, Indiana Jones. What did I just do? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wanted to look at it. It's okay.

It's okay. It's okay. No, you don't have to. You don't have to. As if it never happened. It's okay. It's okay. There's some random questions, though.

Go on. I'm sorry. But pick a question or two. There's some random questions in there. Okay. So I need to put them all back before I can pick it out. Okay. No, but I have to.

But I have to. Okay. We'll wait. You should see it. My character in the movie, there's a joke. Or you might have seen it in, like, early clips where Chris Price is, like, who prints out an itinerary for a date? And my first thought was, who doesn't? What's weird about that?

Yeah. What you're supposed to do? Just go in there and just, like, make it up what you're going to do. You need to know what you're going to plan. You need a plan of attack. Let's see. French fries or onion rings, French fries. I don't like onions.

Gross. But I have to be careful because I have a major allergic reaction to gluten. Really? It's legit. You have a legit, like a genetic, like I've been through all the, the procedures for the rest of my life. When did this, when did you learn of this? It, you know what?

It happened after the birth of my second child because they, what I was told was that you can have that, like you can have celiac for your whole life. But you don't necessarily become symptomatic because your immune system, I could be wrong, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor, everyone. But what I was told was that your immune system can kind of stay ahead of something like that. Okay. And, and just pregnancy, I had kind of a difficult pregnancy. And, um, and my immune

system just was, was like, enough is enough. You've had your, you've had your fill of gluten for a lifetime. Exactly. Exactly. You're getting, it's time for a tummy ache, okay? Aw. So, so, so, yeah, so French fries is a far less harrowing prospect than onion rings. But even when I had gluten, I, I, I, I, you were not an onion lady. Another one? Yeah, sure. Okay. Karaoke Worst nightmare

See again this is why we get along I've never karaoke to my life Oh my gosh Can I just like name drop for a second? I went to karaoke with Amy Adams Years ago And I'm just like I'm never ever Trying to do anything again

Oh she murdered it Slated it Genius Well was there Do you remember what she said? Everything Dozens of songs So many

songs. And it wasn't just that she sang it. She really embodied everything, but not in a dorky way where you're, like, committing 100%. You're like, ooh. Like, it was, like, it was so, like, subtle and just, like, brilliant and charismatic. Sublime karaoke or. Okay. Favorite childhood TV show? Favorite? I have a true answer to this. This little dorky, Get Smart was great. It was awesome. Why was it dorky? Nick and I When was the last time you threw up

pregnancy? Fuck that shit. That might be the way to end it, I think. How are we going to top that? 16 times a day, I average. It was so crazy that I was like, I'm going to count. I'm going to turn this into a statistic.

And I tracked it over a week-long period. It was an average of 16 times a day throughout both pregnancies. And I still managed to gain a trillion power. I was like, how is this happening? I'm vomiting everything that I'm putting into my body. Where is this fat from? Favorite candy bar?

Notice that a lot of food-related questions. This is a peek into my soul. I like tutsie rolls. Solid. Totsie rolls are pretty good. You might be the first person to go through the entire hat. I know. Favorite book.

Favorite book, The Fountainhead. Okay. Probably. If I were a rapper, my name would be baby biz or baby showbiz. Is that connected to anything? My husband calls me busy. And so, yeah. I like it.

Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. Harry Potter. Although Lord of the Rings is very beautiful because it was shot in New Zealand. My closest friends and family call me Baby Show. For sure. They do. My favorite Halloween costume, I was maybe long stocking for seven years in a row. I was going to say, that makes perfect sense.

That's typecasting. I was amazing at putting the wires in my braids. I was like, this is, this is. You might have been the most, the sweetest kid or the most annoying kid. I'm not sure. I know. I know. I was just so good at those wire in the braids.

What movie do you know by heart? I don't know. Not by heart, but Breakfast at Tiffany's I've seen probably more than any other film because that started young. Beard of mustache. Beard. My husband has a beard. He's so handsome. Zombies or vampires.

Who, I... We have a history. I like both. I mean, I mean, I like stories about vampires because zombies are more of a threat. There's not much dynamism to zombies. zombies. There's only so much you can do with a zombie. Yeah, a zombie is a threat. Whereas a vampire, a vampire is a story.

I like it. Although, obviously, they're great zombie films. Best to calm of all time is Arrested Development. Describe my perfect movie-going experience. Dude, Jurassic Park. No joke, for sure. Jurassic Park. I mean, it was like, we'd never seen anything like it. Plus, it was Steven Spielberg and Michael Crichton and Sam Neal and Laura Dern.

Jeff Goldblum, hello. And Jeff Goldblum. Yes, all of them. Sam Jackson, Beattie Wong. Where haven't you been that you want to go to? There's this place called Dutton Hot Springs in Colorado that I go on their website almost every single day. It's so expensive. I don't think I'll ever go there.

I showed it to Robert Redford. He's like, I own a piece of that. I know, I know. He loves that kind of part of the country. And I showed it to him and he was like, oh, you've got to go there with your family. I mean, wow, you should go there after this movie. And I was just like, would you care to foot the bill? No, but it's a great place.

Who's your favorite Batman? I mean, I'm biased. He's got to go, Michael. Mr. Bale. What? Well, but he's, what are you supposed to do? Your friend is in Batman. Your friend is in Batman.

See, I was going to go, Dad's Bud, Mr. Keaton. Michael Keaton, I know he was so good. He was so. I'm not going to quarrel. Bail was amazing. It's just Michael was my child. Yeah, no, no, he brought a, he brought. He brought a certain Juad de V.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he was really. No, you're right. No, I don't want to say you're right. You're not right. They're both my favorites. I wish I could change this about my body. What would I like to change about my body? The inability to throw up 16 times

I know, I know But I have to say I'm pretty Even though I was super nauseous during Or sick during pregnancy I have a pretty sturdy constitution What would I like to change about? My wrists get a little achy I would like, I did a lot of karate

When I was a kid and I broke a lot of boards And I think it kind of weakened my wrists But I really love my body She's my best friend and she gets me through life I was going to say if wrist is your biggest problem Yeah You're doing all right No, she's a good girl.

She takes care of me. She makes all my dreams come true. She gives me children. Worst injury I've ever had. I got pretty busted up on Spider-Man 3. I dislocated my shoulder, my rib cage, and my left hip. And I went to the doctor, and he was like, did you get in a car accident? Were you dragged?

I was like, no, Spider-Man caught me. Same difference. Yeah, the most interesting person in the world. The most interesting person. Oh, it's one of my children. I mean, they're so interesting to me. They're endlessly interesting to me. Best vacation you've ever taken.

Now, I'm not a big vacation person. I don't really go on vacation. Except for the springs that's going to happen. Yes, Dundon Hot Springs. But I fantasize about vacations. But my life is a little bit, I shouldn't say this, but my life feels a little bit like a vacation because you go to like a really beautiful place

and you make a movie and, you know, they bring you water. I mean, what's nicer than that? But I had an awesome car trip when I was a kid where we went to Hershey, Pennsylvania, and my parents let us just eat as much chocolate as we wanted, and I will never forget as long as I live. What do you like on your hot dog? Usually I'm just like a basic catch-up person. However, I've become a little sophisticated in recent years, and I like sauerkraut, and I like

mustard as well. I find it that's concerning you called ketchup. What's that? What's it called? It's like, it's a K-E. It's not a K-A. It's just strange. Catch-up.

Do people say ketchup? I say ketchup. I say ketchup. There might be my New York accent, like coming at ketchup. Yeah, but I'm from Westchester. Okay, I say ketchup. You know what else I say wrong? I say orange.

Is that wrong? My wife makes fun of the way I say orange. You're supposed to say like, orange. I don't even know now how I say it's. Whatever I do, I say it wrong. I say orange. I say orange. I say orange and I say ketchup.

Do you have a nickname? Well, it's the baby show. Were you ever grounded in for what? You know what? You've never were grounded. Yes, I was grounded. Whenever I was grounded, I wasn't allowed to go on set. And when I did the village, I never wanted to go home after I wrapped.

And so Knight would let me hang on in his trailer and watch all of his creatures. What can you eat a ton of? Many things. What do you have in this office? I know. I mean, this is going to be kind of. controversial because I used to be a vegan, but I can eat a ton of stairs. Have I ever been arrested?

No, never. Never even got a ticket. Not going to happen. Very good girl. I'll stop this soon. This is just too pleasurable. It's so fun. Should drugs and our prostitution be legalized?

Talking to controversy. Here we go. You know what? Listen, I don't want to say, I'm not advocating anything necessarily. But if I could wave a wand and. the best version of that legalization could happen, I would say absolutely, because I lived in Amsterdam for a summer. And it wasn't chaos on the streets?

It was not chaos on the streets. It was actually, there was a lot of oversight. And the women were, as far as I understood, there was far more protection than there is when it is made illegal. And I don't know of hard drugs. I don't think all drugs should be. No, no, no. No, no, no.

I don't think all drugs should be legalized. But you're saying this from a place of someone that's a teetotelor that's not really, you know. Yeah. But, I mean, like, I'm way for the legalization of marijuana, for instance. Like, I feel like outlaw alcohol, everyone should walk around. Like, well, not everyone should walk around like that. I mean, I'm a mother. And I don't do that stuff.

But, but yeah, I'm, I'm into that. Favorite gadget. I'm the worst with gadgets. Really? Yeah, I just, I always, I get my, my husband. Hands hand me down phones. I mean, my computer. I love my computer.

Actually, West Bentley, I just did a film with him. And he said that if I was a superhero, my, like, weapon of choice would be my computer. I walk around like this. Like, you know how a waiter, like, holds? Because I used to be a waitress starting when I was 14, so I can really do that. That's why your wrist is bad. That's my, my freaking, it's not karate. It's because I was a waitress.

They figured it out. Oh, my goodness. For real. I was too young. I wasn't formed yet. I wasn't my body was informed yet and I did that too much you know what my parents had to write a permission slip to let me legally be a waitress I know favorite sport is um I say this shamefully basketball but I'm I'm a terrible basketball fan now I haven't kept up although my husband has

the last gross thing I ate was I've been eating a lot of steamed spinach lately and there's always something a little gross about it at the end but I'm sort of like proud of my sick Favorite Godfather movie? I mean, part two. It's just, I mean, the story of a father and son simultaneously. When was the last time I cried? It was about an hour ago. Let's end that there.

About an hour ago in front of a camera next to Josh. You killed it both in terms of the photos and the hat. This is like unprecedented. I don't know who's going to follow you. I pity the next guest on Happy Sank. confused. Hardly. Listen, if you get Jessica Chastain in here, she will do better. Wow. I'm telling you, anything I can do, she can do better. I promise. I think it will be a tie in all respects. Honestly, it's so good to see you out. It's been too long. And actually, I'll see you

soon. I think I'll see you in L.A. after I see the movie. So you're not done with me quite yet. I hope you like it, man. I will. I know I will. I really do. I'm, I'm proud of it. It's good to see you. You too. This is cool. So fun. That's the show, guys. I'm Josh Horowitz. This has been happy, say I confused. Hope you've enjoyed the show. Hit me up on Twitter. Joshua Harowitz. Go over to Wolfpop.com. Check out all the amazing shows over there. And most importantly, check back in next week for another edition of Happy Sad. Confused? Again, we'd like to thank our sponsor, graze.com, the snack service that wants to show you the taste. side of healthy snacking.

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