Happy Sad Confused - Cillian Murphy, Vol. II

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

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The one and only, Killian Murphy, and we have a really good occasion to have you back on the podcast because sixth collaboration with Mr. Nolan, congratulations, man. Thanks very much. So we kind of did that this is your life conversation last time, and this time since it is, it is a defining collaboration with Christopher. I want to talk a little bit about, I want to talk a lot about the film, but also about your relationship with him. It started on Batman. Batman.

Yeah. You were a fan of his work, I know, prior. Did the man you met match the guy you had in your head? Like, did you have preconceived notions of what this guy was going to be based on following, Memento, et cetera? Yeah, I'd seen Memento and insomnia, and then I went back and watched following within that order. I didn't know who's going to be so English. I didn't think...

What are we talking about? The whole package. Um, but, uh, you know, because he also was an Irish passport as well. You should ask him about that. So he has English and American. He's a true James Bond. He's a trap of the world. He can.

He can't. Um, I, I was, you know, struck immediately by, uh, I guess his brain. Yeah. You know, it's kind of phenomenal. The first time I met him, just to give you a bit of context was, God, it is 20 years ago. And I had just done. 28 days later, and it had come out in America, and it made a bit of money and it kind of done all right.

And then Chris had seen it, I think, and we met in Los Angeles and we sat down and we just talked about movies for a few hours, you know, it wasn't just a brief meeting, it was a really, really good chat and we really connected. I mean, he knows way more about movies than I do, and he's watched, I think he's probably watched every film. I'm going to put him to the test after you.

Ask him, ask him Annie Field and he'll have seen it in the cinema. And we got on and we had a good laugh. And then he's also really funny. He's very funny. So then he asked me to audition for Batman, which I always thought was kind of an absurd idea. I think secretly he did as well.

he thought I was not right for it but we did the test and it was like full the full production values like we shot on 35 they had the set and everything the old school that they don't do anymore yeah it was it was the real deal

and I prepared for it and for me it was just just to get to be directed by Christopher Norman when I was a young actor you know sure and I love the experience of it and I but I kind of thought that might be it because, you know, I didn't see myself as that character.

And then, as he does, always, he called me out of the blue, and he said, look, it's not going to work out for Batman. And I thought he's got to be Christian Van. He said, yes, that makes complete sense. And then he said, but there's this other character. And that's kind of how it started. Is playing a character through three movies that is wearing a bag over his head more or less fun than it appears? Is it just about what I would expect it to be? I think it got progressively more bag-heavy as the trilogy went on. It's masochistic. He's just like, let's really put him to the test.

Yeah, I wear a bag on my head in Inception quite a bit as well. There's water involved, too. Yeah, off the bridge with a bag on my head into the water. He's confusing with Tom Hardy, who likes to have his face covered. He really enjoys it. I mean, every actor loves a mask, I suppose, but before movies. I do remember when he called me up for Dunkirk, that was the first question I asked him. Does this feel like penance?

He's finally made, he's absolved himself of those wrongs that he's done to you in the past by giving you really a tremendous opportunity, and you more than meet the moment in this. When you get the call from Christopher that he wants you involved and he wants you to be Oppenheimer, in Oppenheimer, does that kind of a moment? rekindle like those early experiences when you get like a job like oh this is that magical feeling that I'm chasing yeah it's it's one of those yeah one of those like very very frequent very special you know moments that you'll never forget in your life and this was definitely one of them and again he does it in such a way that it's it's quite a shock to your

nervous system because it comes out of nowhere right he's not just get a call it's just yeah no you know and um you know the script has written he's got it and then he just he just called and said I'd like you to play to play Oppenheimer and uh yeah it's a very strange it puts you into a very strange sort of um

you get incredibly excited and incredibly terrified at the same time I was going to ask you about fear because I mean look you've you've been front and center in some major films obviously you've done every kind of movie every budget level but that never goes away that even in the hands of Christopher who you know is going to take care of you?

Yeah, I think it would be dangerous if it went away. Honestly, I think if you ever were cruising in your career and felt sort of confident in everything you did, then there would be no challenge and no excitement and no danger. It has to feel a little dangerous, I think. You have to feel, certainly at the beginning,

I don't know if I can do this, and then you go at it. And that drives it, that gives you the hunger and the energy to go at it. Yeah. And we had a long prep period. Like he came to Ireland to give me the script in September 21, I think it was. And then we didn't shoot until the end of February 22.

So it was six months, in effect, of me prepping and going over to L.A. And doing camera tests and makeup tests and costume tests. And then working very closely with Chris on the kind of development of the character. So I had a long period. so the sort of terror sort of morphs into like just focus then you get this really crystal focus on what you have to do

and then yeah I mean the fact that it's Christopher Nolan the fact that we have this history together gives you an awful lot of confidence and the chances I'm going to be on the first Christopher Nolan movie that he just swings and misses out it's very unlikely very unlikely yeah

I mean he specializes in protagonists that are conflicted, clearly. I mean, and there is no greater conflict than what Robert Oppenheimer faced, facing the moral quandary of moral clandries. Rich material, to say the least, for an actor.

I mean, how do you try, and this is a massive undertaking in every way. I mean, the scale is huge, and yet it is, like all his film is very intimate too. We are close to your face. We are in your head for much of this film. Was it tough to kind of

track the progress, the back and forth? I mean, were you shooting in sequence? What were the challenges once you get into production of keeping your eye on the ball of who this man was? Well, the first thing to point out was that the script was written in the first person.

Right. So, I knew very quickly that it was going to be subjectively told through Oppenheimer's eyes and everything in the color segments of the film, which you were kind of majority of the film are seen through Oppenheimer's eyes.

Right. And the black-white segments are through, obviously, Strauss's point of view. So I knew that the audience would have to be with Oppenheimer all the time. We were very clear about that. And it wouldn't be about judging him, but would be being right beside him while he was experiencing these incredible events and having to make these, you know, life-changing kind of decisions for himself and for the world and all of that. And in terms of going at it, you mean on set in terms of after the prep? Well, I'm curious because, like, for instance, are the IMAX camera still huge?

I don't know if he's been able to. They're ginormous, yeah. And a lot of it is, as I say, like, on you, on your face. Yeah. And talk about focus, you're trying about focusing before. This must call upon all your faculties to kind of, like, really laser focus and be in the moment. Yeah. have this giant apparatus, like, very close to it.

Yes. You do get used to the IMAX cameras after a while, you know. Yeah. It does, and the way Chris always shoots it, it's, you know, it's him and Hoyter and, you know, the boom-op, and it's, that's it's it's always one camera. And there was no steady cam, there's no cranes. They were very old school in this, but they wanted to go get rid of all the toys for this one and go right back to basics. That's a decision they made aesthetically himself and Hoyer from the beginning. So I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the said environment, the working environment, being on the floor never felt overwhelming.

It felt very kind of safe. And that's what Chris, that's the sort of atmosphere that he wants for his actors is, you know, you can experiment. It's a laboratory, you know? You can try things and make a fool yourself and that's okay. So I've always felt that with Chris, you know. I've always felt incredibly safe working with him. and trying stuff out. And he's an incredibly collaborative director,

and particularly when it's come from his massive brain. He's the writer-director. First, he's not just like a director for hire. He feels these in his bones. Yeah, and, you know, he kind of is, it's almost like he's engineered the script in his head already. Right. You know, he knows frame by frame, shot by shot,

how this thing is going to end up on you. And when you shoot Chris Nolan's script, that is what you see on screen. but it can't a proxy you can imagine it but I would imagine I was going to ask you you've seen the finished film by now

yeah so you have the experience on set and it was occurring to me when I was prepping to talk to you like for instance I think about like the final scene between you and Pete Pastaway in inception

which on set between the two of you must feel very intimate again almost no dialogue if there's any dialogue and then what he's able to achieve through the marriage of intercutting

music background it becomes a whole it just it takes on a whole other level and similarly here do you have that kind of feeling like oh I made one movie but what the finished product is is just almost an exponentially different movie no it's almost it's always way better than you could ever possibly imagine but I just have complete and utter trust in his vision you know I always have done from the very beginning he's so accomplished and he understands every single facet of the movie-making business you know and on set he understands every

single person's job he's over every single detail of costuming of you know set design of locations of everything so you feel completely confident in on inception for example was such a complicated such a complicated script and And, you know, you'd oftentimes be, you know, asking Chris, now what level of consciousness are we at or whose brain or he's dreaming? But, you know, but he just knows this. Of course. He doesn't. So it's a real luxury for an actor to feel that secure in the director's vision and genius.

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Call us. The cast is, I don't even know what adjective to use about the cast. The ensemble was remarkable. It reminded me, like, growing up, like, back in the heyday of, like, all. like J.F.K. and Nixon, where like every bit part was by, like, movie stars, but great actors. Yeah. And it can somehow work, and it works here. I don't know. I don't even know how to pick favorites or anything, but, like, for instance, Downey. To see Downey in this context is just, I love him as Iron Man, but to see him, like, really choose something a little different,

must have been a treat, like, oh, vanity, to really go somewhere. Oh, he is remarkable in this film. Like, remarkable. and working with him, I mean, I kind of liken it to playing music, you know. I used to play a lot of music and sometimes when you're playing with another player has this kind of non-verbal connection, you know, and it's, it feels like jazz, you know, and that's what it felt like with Donie and me. Sometimes it just felt he's the most generous, invested, scene. partner you could possibly have and of course like he can extemporize or

improvise like that and it's and and and they were among my favorite scenes I have to say say working with him he's just kind of he's electric in the movie you know speaking of electric actors one of the films you did your collaborations with Christopher that we didn't mention was was Dunkirk and Barry Keogan who was just killing it did you take a special delight I mean he's part of the extended Batman family did you see what he did with I did, of course. Yeah, I did, of course.

He was amazing and I can't want to see him like... Get a, some more that you want. Yeah, get a bit more screen time. They're doing it again, right? Yeah, yeah. Batman too. I don't know if he's involved or not, but I hope he is. Oh, he's phenomenal, Barry, you know, and he's just proven his kind of range and versatility.

Yeah. And he's still such a gorgeous kid. He's probably not a kid now. He's a father now, in fact. So, yeah, I haven't seen him in a while, but I'm so proud of Banshees and, you know, what they achieved with that movie. So, yeah, he's a great, great, great actor. I remain convinced that Christopher will be directing a Bond film, and I'm more firmly, I'm going to see him later,

I'm going to place a bet with him. I think he's going to do the next one. I feel like it's time. Doesn't it feel like it's the right moment, Killian? They need a new bond, they need a new director. I'm not going to speak for Christopher Nolan. No, I just as a fan. Wouldn't you want to see Christopher Nolan do a Bond movie, or no?

I would. Of course I'd go and see Chris Finnoll and Bond movie. I feel, though, he's on a journey with his own material. No, I don't want to start to see him do a director for higher things. Don't get me your role. But that feels so part of him, too, in a way. Yeah. I mean, he's a huge bond fan.

He loves the movies. And I think you can see sort of there's, I think there's parts of every movie. You see, that's a little bit bond, isn't it? You know, not consciously, but I think you can kind of see them, particularly in Inception, you can see that. Yeah, on the Magic's Secret Service he's talked about. Yeah, and Tenet, you can see a bit of it as well. But I don't know.

I don't know. Listen, ask him. Okay. I'd be interested to hear the answer. Do you want me to put a good word in? Not that you need my help. What do you want to play in Christopher Nolan's Bond movie? I'm not James Bond, man.

That's, that ship has sailed, shall we say. You could be anything. You could be Q. You could be M. You could be the bad guy. Let's see where Chris comes up. Okay. Okay.

Fair enough. Fair enough. Some other bits and Bob's last time we spoke was, I believe it was season 5 of Piki had just come out. I feel like Peakey is in the rear view now. Like have you kind of like separated yourself like from Tommy and that experience or is it too soon to say that?

That's a good question because I often thought I wouldn't be able to like really give a perspective on it until a few years have passed. A few years have passed now. It was 10 years of my life playing that character. You know I think the show succeeded because the writing was so phenomenal. I mean, if there's a movie there and if there's more story to tell,

I'll definitely have the conversation. But I think we ended really, really, really well on the TV version of it. And I'm very proud of that the show, the show never plateaued, in my opinion. Totally. You know, I think each series was kind of richer than the last. And so I'm very proud that we achieved that.

And I'm also very proud of that people are still discovering it. That's the kind of beauty of, of streaming, isn't it? People kind of discover it all the time and there's new fans turning up all the time. So I'm really proud of it. The cool kids like Peeky. Like the ones would taste, let's be honest. Like, you know, it's

yeah, it's got a great soundtrack which I'm very proud of. So, I don't know. So are you of the mind though? Like, because there have been different roles that obviously we talked about Jonathan Crane Scarecrow that you were prized like is it, as an actor, is it easier to say goodbye definitively to a role or to always

kind of have that door open? You know, we've talked before, 28 days later, it keeps coming up. Yeah. Always come up until Alex and Danny and you say, no more. Yeah. Like, for instance, is that door still a jar? Oh, it's certainly for me. I mean, again, like, I'd love to do,

I think it would have to be 28 years later at this stage, really. We're getting closer to get away with this. Yeah, I think, realistically, because that movie, God, when did that, 2000, that came right, yeah. So, wow, yeah, we're not so far off. They're not that far off.

I mean, I'd love to. But that's not an exclusive or anything. I think, you know, there needs to be a script and Danny needs to find the time and Alex needs to feel that there's more story to tell. But again, that is a movie I watched with my kids not too long ago, and I feel that one, you know, it's aged well and not aged at all,

whatever the correct expression is. Yeah, I was going to ask about your kid's appreciation of your work, because I've had this conversation with many actors and usually it's like they're the last people to appreciate their own parents' work.

Are they, so they can appreciate, they can, it would be tragic if they were the only kids that can't enjoy Christopher Nolan's Batman fans for instance.

Yeah, they're getting a bit older now, they have very sophisticated taste so, you know, they don't go searching for my films but if one turns up or they love, like Quiet Place 2, for example,

they love that movie. But I think it's much healthier if you're, kids are underwhelmed by what you do no matter what it is I think that's you know that's a healthy dynamic too much hero worship is a little yeah we don't yeah he don't need that so you don't have to worry about that no I definitely I definitely don't have to worry about that yeah in your career have you ever felt a period of time where you felt like boxed in type cast like you were in a

rut that you were questioning where the career was going to go or has it felt like you know if there was a week that went by something was around the You know, I feel I've been lucky in that I've moved always between theater and television and movies. So if one avenue got a little clogged at one point, I could just jump into another avenue. And I probably have done that in the past, you know. And I think I've always felt that if anyone would say to any artist, we'd love that, can you do it again? Right, which is. you know and that happens not just in our business but it happens you know if any if any time there's a potential to something being commodified or being repeated i think the artist or the creative person can the other direction and anything else yeah so but luckily i would always jump from one to the other so i've never i've never felt that way and re-collarating with people is always really good for your creative soul like like chris calling me up or i work a lot with enda walsh this this playwright and and we've made it

four plays we just made a film together you know working with Danny a couple of times I find that that keeps it rich yes and and so I've been lucky that way so and speaking of that kind of like running in a different direction like I my sense from you is you're not one that kind of engages you're not online you're not like you know checking the the memes that are involving you but like for instance I see a lot of fan art of you as like Doctor Doom right like have you done your comic book villain thing is that hold any interest or like would you Each character is different, you know, Dr. Doom is different than Scarecrow, you know, as long as the script and the person's there, then sure we can talk.

Yeah, I think you've answered the question. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm always, it's always about the script. Yeah. So I'll read, you know, if some sense, it's script, I'll read it. And you never know what turns up. That's what I love about this business. You know, I did, I know, I had no inclinate or no idea that Chris was going to call me 21 with this. You know, it just, it just happens. And that's, that's the kind of, the beauty of this business. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's the kind of the beauty of this business. It's. It's. It's. It's so unpredictable and wild and you don't know what's going to turn up. Does part of you wish he could have given you the heads up? Like he was working on this for a long... This is not the way you dashed off in a week. I think he relished that phone call. That's for strength.

That is holding... I know, but he's a master of that. But I think he relished being able to call him because I think he knew how much I really wanted to play a lead for him. I really think he knew that. Ontario, the wait is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget online casino is live.

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I would love to go back to the stage. Weirdly, I prefer new writing in theater. I've often felt that, you know, there's been so many extraordinary actors and actresses playing those classic roles that I don't know what I could possibly add to it. So I like breaking ground with new writing. always being the thing that's excited me in theater, certainly more recently. But again, it's about timing and it's about the right material, yeah. What do you watch television-wise?

Are you? I love succession. I mean, everyone in the world loves succession, right? Yeah. Haven't finished the final season, so don't tell me. I think it's magnives and some of the best writing out there at the moment and the performance is just mind-blowingly good.

Yeah, I mean, my sense from you is you still get inspired by, like, it gives you a boost to see, like, the Baraki Hogan's and the next generation. Oh, for sure. You know, you get tingles when you see great acting, you know, and like, no matter where you see it, like if it's above a pub in North London and you go and you see a play and there's a phenomenal performance. And that gives me tingles, you know, just to see it. So, yeah, I'm always looking for great performances, wherever they might come from, you know. I'm going to end with our profoundly random questionnaire. One question for you, Killian, is do you collect anything? Vinyl?

Yeah. Old school. Yeah. Christopher probably appreciates that. He probably does. He probably does. He probably does. He has like a gramophone.

Yeah. Have you ever asked for an autograph from an actor? Um, have I ever asked. So I asked directors to sign my, to sign, my script and I keep them I only recently started to do that but yeah yeah I that's that's really the only I much prefer autographs to to selfies not yeah not a selfie fan yeah that's that's hard um yeah is there like an actor that you grew up with like that that you are now consider a peer that it it makes you giggle in a way

as a schoolboy to see them like pop up on your phone you get a text from like I I don't know, Gary Oldman, like, how does Gary Oldman, how am I an acquaintance of Gary Oldman, that kind of thing? Well, Matt Damon, you know, I've admired his work since I was, even before I was an actor. And not only his work, but also I admire his values as a human being. And so we got to work on Oppenheimer, and now his company, A.E., have just produced a movie.

I noticed that, yeah. that I produced and enacted in, which was written by Endowald. So that feel, that's kind of a lovely, lovely feeling. And I really, really admire the sort of value of their studio, you know, of A.E. Because it's artist-led, which I think is really exciting for the industry. That is one of the, you kind of alluded to this before, one of the rewards of sticking around. I feel the same way on my side of things, like, establish relationships, and to kind of see, track, be along for the ride with people.

and to revisit people at different times in their lives. And there's the shorthand, but also just really connect on a personal level at different times in their lives. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. What's the wallpaper on your phone, Killiam? Oh, I got recently, I just gone totally minimalist, black, like took everything off.

Yeah, it's like, it's just, even all of the apps, they're all just black so it's none of that stupid childish you like Applephone color thing it's just black wow you're your dark turn like a nihilist what precipitated is rough day

no it's just no it's kind of it's not less nihilism more minimalism gotcha you know what I mean cutting out the noise yeah so yeah and I just turn off an awful lot of notifications so it's just it's just a black Blob

It's the last actor you were mistaken for Doesn't mean Don't even happen to me Are you aware, again, I know you're not online This baseball player that's been mistaken for you? Yes, I've been sense that. Does this come up today, I'm sure? Yeah, no, you're the first person But wasn't that like an AI generated

image or something? I don't think so. Do you have seen the image? Yeah, many people have said I need to turn off more notifications Yes Yeah You've got a doppelganger. You've got a long lost twin. Yeah, well, he's a lot better at baseball.

But you're a bit better at acting problem. Well, we've all got our skills. Is there a movie you're embarrassed to say you've never seen? Gone with the Wind, I don't think I've ever seen Gone with the Wind. Okay. That's okay. Thanks. I absolve you.

Thank you. You've made up for it. Thank you. What's the worst note of director has ever given you? A director once asked me, am I a good director? So, I mean, that's the end of the relationship then. They're looking for validation from... This goes the other way, buddy.

Yeah. Weird the needy ones. Didn't they teach you anything in directing school? Yeah, you need to make me feel good about myself all day long and bring me things like tea. Yeah. In the spirit of happy second fuse, it was an actor that makes you happy. Who's an actor that makes me... Actually, that makes me...

Just like you see them on screen. Oh, God. Right now, I would have to say Jesse Buckley. Yeah, I think she's phenomenal. See her in Cabaret? Did you get a chance to see her? No, did not see that show. I would love to see it.

A movie that makes you sad? Oh, God. A movie that makes me sad. Sad, like, sad? Sad, or like, just, like, emotional? Yeah. There is one that recently did that to me. I can't remember.

I remember seeing Interstellar since we're... Sure. It's a Chris Nolan junket. Since, I remember seeing Interstellar in the cinema on my own and having little kids and it was, yeah, I was, that was very emotional. That made me cry. Yeah, that connection between him and Chastain and the bad exchange. And missing out of kids' childhood.

Like, that was powerful. And a food that makes you confused. The most important question. A food that makes me confused. You see it on the menu. You see it come out. I don't get it. Oh, man.

You guys are crazy. What's up with that? I don't... What's the Japanese food? They fry everything? Tempura. No? Not a fan of that.

Anything fried, deep fried. That's an American thing right now. We're disgusting that way. I apologize. It's in my bones. It's in my DNA. I can't help what I am. Not a temporal guy.

Well, you're going to live a lot longer than me. Anything I should put a good word in? I'm going to try to get you a bond roll. What's the genre he should take on next? What's the kind of film Christopher Nolan should do? Does he have a comedy in him? Does he have a musical? He is very funny.

Musical? I mean, like the score for Oppenheimer? I mean, it's just out of this world. I don't know if he has a musical in him. I don't know the answer to that. I'll get back to you on his answers. We'll compare and contrast. Okay, let me know.

Truly, man, this is a remarkable piece of work and you hold it all together. I hope you can appreciate that and enjoy it as an audience member now and separate yourself for a little bit because it is a special one. Oh, thank you so much. All right, good to see as always.

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