Happy Sad Confused - Cillian Murphy, Vol. IV (plus David Jonsson & Tom Blyth)

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Straight from the Toronto Film Festival, Josh returns with 2 chats! First up it's Cillian Murphy (his 4th appearance on the show) chatting his latest passion project, STEVE, plus recalling his Oscar win and looking ahead to his PEAKY BLINDERS and 28 YEARS later returns! Next up it's 2 of the brightest young talents working today -- David Jonsson and Tom Blyth working together on the indie drama WASTEMAN and contemplating balancing franchises with smaller projects as their careers grow. Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Americans with cinnamon on everything. I mean, I know I'm in Canada. Yeah, too much. A little cinnamon though? No. I don't know. I had it, I ordered some oatmeal and there was, it was just tasted of cinnamon. Yeah. Those cinnamon's powerful, so a little goes a long way. Yeah, but I didn't ask for it. Don't get any of me. You're screaming. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Hey guys, welcome to a very special, happy, sad, confused directly from the airport. I just have returned from the Toronto Film Festival, and I bring with me two great conversations I recorded over there. Killing Murphy back on the podcast talking about his latest Steve coming to Netflix very soon.

It is a passion project for him. Lots to talk about on that one. Followed by a conversation with two of the next wave of great British actors. Tom Blythe and David Johnson about their film, Waste Man. Thanks, guys, as always, for listening or watching. Happy, Say I Confuse, however you're enjoying it. I appreciate you guys. It has been a whirlwind couple weeks for me.

I have done essentially two film festivals back to back. Tell You Right Film Festival, where we record a bunch of pods coming soon. And Toronto, I literally, this is like the first thing I've done. I walked back into my apartment and I said, I need to record something. So, okay, here we are. Saw a bunch of movies in Toronto. I've been going to Toronto Film Festival. probably 15, 20 years. It is great movies, great people. It's a great town. And got a chance

to sneak in three podcast conversations this go-round. Coming much later down the line will be a chat I recorded with Paul Meskell and Jesse Buckley. Very excited to share that one. That's about Hamnet. A very big film this year you'll be hearing more about. But that's later on. Um, but yeah, got a chance to catch up with these three other gentlemen for today's episode. And I should mention also got a chance to see a lot of happy, say, confused listeners out on the streets of Toronto. Canada has always treated me very, very well. I remember way back when going there, uh, when my stuff for MTV seemed to get more play in Canada than it did in the U.S. So I remember my early days going to Toronto very fondly because I felt.

like something, not quite a celebrity, but it was very nice to get some recognition in the streets in my early days at MTV. And that has continued throughout the years. It was such a blast. I have too many stories to tell on this intro because I want to get to the conversations, but I saw a lot of really great folks moderated the press conference for Wakeup. Dead Man, the newest Benoit Blanc, mystery, went to a ton of parties, chatted with Jane Johnson, found myself in a weird three-way hug with Josh Prolin and Jeremy Renner, was talking. talking to Michael Shannon when Russell Crow interrupted me. This is my weird life.

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Later on, I'm going to prep them both and you're going to hear them back to back. Later on in the episode, you will hear Tom Blythe and David Johnson. They have teamed up for the first time for a really exceptional piece of work. It's called Waste Man. At this moment does not have distribution. So I hope this maybe helps get out into the universe what great performances both of these guys deliver in this really great film. It's David Johnson plays a guy incarcerated. He's got a kid on the outside.

He's desperately trying to get out. And Tom Blythe plays the prisoner You just do not want to room with He comes in and he's a force of nature Both great And I'm such fans of both of these guys Tom of course probably best known For being in the last Hunger Games film

But has so much So much going on And David Johnson If you don't know the name David Johnson Clock it right now Maybe you saw him in Rylane Maybe you saw him in Alien Romulus You're going to be seeing a lot lot more of this guy

And you can just in this conversation the presence he has, his voice, everything about him. He's going places, I tell you. Someone who's already gone places is Killian Murphy. So he's kind of the main event on the pod. We're going to lead off with him. He has a new film. It's called Steve.

He is reteaming with his director from small things like these, which was his last film. And this is a project very close to him. He produced this one. He stars in it. It's based on a novella very loosely. It's about teachers and students in the UK, in the 90s, troubled youths that are struggling to get through life, teachers that are struggling to get through life. And it's all set in like one day, one intense, horrible day.

It's intense. It has some humor. It's going to be in theaters, but it's also going to be on Netflix. So check it out. And Killian is always just amazing. As you'll hear in this conversation or see, his fourth time on the podcast. And he really doesn't do a lot of this long form. stuff. So it really does mean a lot to me that he trusts me. We seem to get along. I vibe with

his very unusual, great vibe. He's the sweetest guy. And this was our first official conversation since his Oppenheimer wins. So this is a fun one, a great one. So stick around later on, David Johnson, Tom Blythe. But for now, here you go, guys. Enjoy my conversation with the legend Academy Award winner now for officially I can say, Killian Murphy. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures. And see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September, lease a 2026 XE90 plug-in hybrid from $599 bi-weekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event. Condition supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com.

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wonderful movie. Congratulations on Steve. Thanks, man. Thank you. Fourth time on the podcast, by the way. Is it? So I feel really honored because, you know, this is not any actor's favorite thing to do the long form, but you're a scholar and gentleman. Thank you for doing it, man. I always enjoy

our chats. Thank you, I'll try to keep the streak running. I will say once you do the fifth one, I give them a free hat. A free hat? Yeah. Grab a big head. I'll get your size, your measurements after this. So we're, for context, we're at the Toronto Film Festival, your film premiered yesterday.

I was privileged enough to be there. Look, I mean, this is a, this is a special and this is a labor of love. They all are. But do you feel nerves at something like this at this point? 100%. Yeah. Very nervous at them. But, you know, I've always said to say, I think that like a film isn't finished until

an audience sees it. Yeah. And, and preferably in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a dark, place and yeah and I love tiff I think that the audiences here are real film fans and they really come out and uh it's a beautiful old theater and and and he could feel it in the room it felt good in the room yeah what did you learn about your movie for the first time from the audience well we never had those we can never have those laughs laughs because we'd never played it in a room like that so it was amazing to hear those laughs in places that you think we were like

oh shit I didn't know that was going to happen and that that that that play because it meant it we're tackling a lot of kind of big stuff in there but it's also hopefully there's some levity in there and I think it felt like it played well no for something like this those breaks are kind of integral to kind of break the tension a little bit yeah I was looking back I think and maybe we've talked about this was your first film festival was it can for disco pigs was that like your first festival experience I don't know if disco pigs went to can I think my first film festival experience disco pigs went to Burlington that's what it was okay so i think i went to berlin with disco pigs that must have been in

like a moment yeah like i like i was so young then and uh it was amazing the film played great there and remember just like meeting loads of people and it was very um kind of for a young actor just to meet loads of other actors and directors i didn't really have the environment to do that before it never i never experienced it so yeah that was like uh oh my goodness that's like 26 years at the right like 99 yeah let's not age ourselves I know we've both been doing this a minute where it's basically the same age so I can say that um so yeah no I also love but I've been doing the film festival thing a while and I also love that sometimes it bears fruit even like I was talking to like Paul mescal and Jesse Buckley who have this amazing new film Hamness I hear it's amazing I know you're a

Jesse fan we've talked about Jesse before and I'm sure you're a Paul fan as well um but like I think Chloe Zhao like met them at tell you ride and like these things can happen like where you're like community and you get a chance to actually cross paths with people. Yeah. It's very rare, you know, particularly for actors because when you're not working, well, I spend long chunks of time not working and I don't see anybody besides from my family. You know, I'm at home. They're not going to cast you in anything. They never get, I never get a job. Not one role. What use are they up to you? I mean, I washed the dishes, but, um, you know, so when you get to these festivals, you do get to meet people and it's really, it's lovely and you get to have

have chats, and you never get to see any films with you, which is disappointing. Right. But just to be having conversations is wonderful. So, okay. Before we dive into Steve, can we just catch up for a second? Because the last time we were talking was on the crazy Oppenheimer train. What an amazing run that was. And I mean, if you'll indulge me for a second, just like that night, you win the Oscar. Yeah. How are you feeling when, because there have been so much buildup to that moment. Yeah. And there was talk. It was like, probably going to be you if you believed the pundits, but maybe it was going to be Paul, who knew? Like, what were you feeling in that moment?

I have kind of sort of not great recall from that particular evening, other than really warm, feeling, like an overwhelming feeling of kind of gratitude and sort of, I don't know, absolute complete shock, you know? Yeah. Because no matter what has been gone on for months, you don't ever think about it, you can't let yourself think about it. and whatever people might think or there is no sense of competitiveness like myself and Paul Jimani were like so close I'm I think he's an extraordinary actor and you know like

it it's it's not like that you know right but you just it's um shame Sini like won the Nobel prize and I'm not in any way making equivalence between myself and shame Sini but he he he he described after after it like has been sort of like a very benignette. avalanche and that's kind I thought that's the most poetic yeah description of it I can just I can think of and and my my sense from knowing you as well as I do is like life probably didn't change like I mean you went back to your family you went back to your real life no it didn't you know other than there's these sort of this residue of like holy shit that was that's crazy that actually yeah and and and again that's sense of gratitude and overwhelm

and kind of a, you know, a real sense of kinship with the cast, all the huge cast of Oppenheimer and with Chris and with Emma and a real, you know, just this thing, this real strong bond. Yeah. But inevitably, you move on, you know, and you go back and you start working again and the whole like insecurity cell,

all that shit just creeps back in. It's like normal, you can't work unless it does, you know. Well, that's what I was gonna say is like the irony, like you would think from a lot of people from the outside in think like, okay, you got all the awards, you got everything. you're top of the mountain, it starts all day one on a set. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. And anybody you talk to, anybody that I've talked to, my heroes, the greats, they're all like, you start over, you go, how did this happen? Yeah. I'm going to get found out. Well, it just continues in a cycle. Yeah. The actor I talk about most, who's on the pot a few times, Gary Oldman, like the most insecure actor, like all the rest of you. It's just like he's the best of the best.

And yet, if Gary Oldman feels that way, what hope is there for any of us? It has to be that way. And this is another quote, who I can't remember who said this, but someone said that your insecurity is your security. Because if you don't have that, then you know, you're cruising. Yeah. I think it does speak volumes to the kind of stuff you've been doing the last couple of years. Like, I mean, to look at the people you've been working with. And you really kind of like double down on your friends and collaborators you've worked with in the past.

You know, whether it is the Peaky Blinders gang, whether it's Tim who directed both small things like these and this. who also obviously worked with on Peakey, Alex Garland and Danny Boyle working with them, starting to work with them. I mean, was there a plan or was it sort of like, you know, I know we've talked before about the importance of like trust and collaborators and the benefits of kind of reestablishing those relationships. But, I mean, I'm sure you've had a lot of opportunity, as you always have, even more so in recent years.

Like, talk to me a little bit about why you've made the choices you've made the last couple years it's i don't know it's the it's the way i'm wired i i've like it's a it's a tricky thing kind of uh going on set and being entirely vulnerable and entirely uh trying to feel entirely like completely protected to the point where you can uh just be you know completely exposed i suppose take risks and just know you're going to be emotionally and creatively and creatively And when you're doing that with people that you've worked with for a long, long time, that's a given. And if you're protected and you can, for me, you go straight to the work. And that's just how the pattern that's evolved for me in the way that I work.

I keep, I'm like a serial recalibrator and it keeps happening and I keep going back. And, and, and I feel like the work improves and gets better. And so that's just the way I, I'm wired. So, like, we finished small things. like these and it was such a great experience making the film and and we felt like we wanted to keep that team close yeah and then find some more new material and so we did very quickly find this script and we moved on trying to keep the same energy the same atmosphere uh and the same sort of um you know people call it a smaller film but i think it's a huge film thematically sure

you know whatever in in terms of budget i suppose it work within the same parameters you so yeah let's educate the folks a little bit about this this is steve it's going to be in some theaters it's also going to be on netflix very soon for the world to see uh it's a great piece of work it really it worked for me it's um based on a novella as i understand that a little bit of a change of a perspective it's from shy's perspective in the novel as far as i understand it but you are a teacher yeah doing with some students that are you know like been dealt some tough blows and like maybe you know not given the the love and attention by the rest of the world they deserve and these these teachers that are just trying their damn best to to take care of themselves

and these students um what resonated with you about this work was it from a character perspective did you key in or story wise like what was the thing for you well like as we've just discussed like max porter we made a play together about which was an adaptation of one of his his first novel which is called grief is the thing with feathers then we made a short film together for the Manchester International Film Festival, and then we were looking around for something else. And I had read that novel before it came out on, like I'd read a proof of it. And I thought, now, well, that's unfilmable. You can't do that.

Right. And then we came back to it, and he said, well, how about if I spin it on its axis? And it's basically, it's not an adaptation of the novel. It's an expansion of the world of the novel, you know what I mean? Yep. So that character appears in it for like two, has two lines or two words. no kidding in the novel and then max just so just reorientated it and told the story through kind of Steve's eyes but also telling shy's stories so you have these two kind of overlapping

stories yes and they're both it's kind of the worst day that ever happened to anybody in their lives right um but um and it's what you just mentioned like how do you how do you help people how do you fix people how can you fix somebody if you can't if you're not fixed yourself and and it's all these themes that I'm very interested in and you know I I'm the father of two boys max is three boys I am a man for better for worse and then they're the that's the perspective of the story you have to tell yeah and um so and also he's a genius writer yeah like a genius writer so that's how it happened and we we it happened really quickly like small things we had the idea we we commissioned max Max wrote the script, I think it was like in about six weeks, came back, brought it to Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, so it was very fast. Next thing we were on set making it. And I knew Tim would be the right director for it. Right. You also bring along Jay, who I hadn't seen before, but I guess you had just worked with on the Peake Blinder's film.

He happened after that. Oh, after. Okay. God. Yeah. But then we got Emily Watson, who was on small things like these, and then we cast all these amazing young actors. And a wonderful thing happened is that we were shooting in one location, basically. Yeah. So, This hadn't happened to me since I worked with Ken Loach, but we shot the whole thing in sequence, in order chronologically, which was... What a gift for you. Absolutely gift. Yeah. Talk to me a little bit about, we talked about your background. I would imagine you're talking about this a bit, but like, you come from a family of teachers. Yeah.

There must be a fascinating connection point for you. I don't know if your family members have seen this film or not, but like, you know, we all put our parents on a pedestal. Maybe we understand or don't understand what they do, but has this given you a little bit greater insight into, I don't know, wives their work over the years yeah it really has i have to say and um so my mom and dad are like both retired teachers right and my grandfather was a headmaster of the school like a primary school and then many of my own aunts and uncles are are teachers and uh and then when i was in school you know i would come home and my parents would give me extra classes and great so i got all the education back. I'm good. I had a awful lot of it. I don't need the bonus materials.

Well, there was really no choice. And they kind of when I look back at it now, they were both teaching and then they were they would come home and then they would be teaching for like 35 you know teenagers or whatever. They would come home and deal with their own teenagers and then get up and do it all over again. And it's a it's a very, very intense. demanding job and it's so bloody important you know and and and um i suppose then i was also i so i i would come home from school and and and live in the aftermath of what it meant to be a teacher you know what i mean and how tired they would be and but how they kept their passion for it and then i would also then go to school and be like the little shithead in school messing and causing

trouble so that kind of had like i kind of had it all and but then you know i also had a really excellent teacher in school, who was my English teacher, who gave me a brilliant insight into literature and theatre and very much encouraged me towards music and towards acting. So I kind of feel like I had every angle covered just through my life growing up. And it's not the first time I played a teacher, but this was very much an kind of an extreme version of it because these schools do do exist and they are under threat but like the story set in the 90s and I think what's interesting about is that the the problems that these kids have I mean they're kind of perennial it's not just no yeah it's not over yeah anything

social media and phones have exacerbated it and made it more acute I think but it's it's still went on in the 90s so it was nice to kind of not have to write in phones and texting and sort of, and all of that stuff, but just to make it about just real pain that these kids endure. It's also fascinating. Doing the math on the timeline, again, we're about the same age. Like, you're probably about the same age as these kids in this film of the setting. As it was in 96. Yeah. Yeah. I was. Yeah. So do you connect with any of these characters in particular? Which of these ner-do-wells do you feel like you were closest to? I mean, I, not not particularly, like, directly, but that, you know,

that passion for music, I was obsessed and consumed by music at that age. It's all I wanted to do and it was the only thing. It spoke to me, like, I, it felt the most important thing in my life. And I think, yeah, there's nothing like the passion of like a 16-year-old. Like, you're never going to be as obsessed with something as you were at that age. No, and that forms you. And those tastes that you form at that age remain with you your whole life. And I think Shai's obsession with drum and bass, I can identify that as completely what I had with music.

But it's all that that sort of like, It's a very, at that point in your life, you are the only thing in the whole universe. You know, that's the way your brain is working. My problems are the world's problems. That's it. Yeah. And it's a very interesting place to be emotionally. And it's very interesting dramatically as well.

So set the scene for me. What was your 16-year-old bedroom? What was the posters on the wall? Did you have posters? Oh, I did. Yeah. I mean, I was just kind of annoying and pretentious, I suppose. What were they?

Oh, I don't know. I probably like, I probably had like a, you know, know, I did. I had, like, loads of Beatles and, like, Led Zeppelin and, like, Whitnail and I have posters. I was going to say, is there a movie, Withnail and I? Or like Apocalypse Now or something like that. Apocop's now is the prerequisite for every teenage boy, I think. That it was Pulp Fiction, that it was, you know, everyone has a generational. Train spotting, I think, at one point, yeah. There you go. That reached some rewards. Yeah. On the music front, this is random, but I just thought of it, Stephen Knight, working with Oasis,

Are you an oasis fan? Do you have, do I, I can't get your tickets. What? Stephen can't hook you up. No, me tickets. I don't need tickets. I can't listen. Let's not,

let's not do it now, but I can't. That's hysterical. So, um, talk to me a little bit about, like generally speaking, we talked a little bit about the choices you made in the wake of Oppenheimer.

Like you are producing a lot now, like more small things like these, this, your producer on, on the 28 years later films. Um, what are the goals? Like,

what are the kind of films that you want to make, whether for yourself or for others right now. There isn't a distinct set of goals, really. I think it's, again, down to taste. This year has been very interesting because I haven't acted at all since December. I've just been producing and in post-production with Steve

and with the Peekey film. And then, you know, with the 28 years later, I didn't do much in terms of those films because those guys are like, you know, they know what they're doing. And, but I've really enjoyed it. Acting as I adore, it takes a lot out of me.

Personally, other people, I'm not that resilient with it. So I really enjoyed the producing. I like putting people together and I like to talk about. I love being in the grade. I love being in the edit. I love a bit in the mix. I love. What about casting?

Do you get in the casting room? Is that weird for you as to be? on the other side and auditioning actors. I do, I do, I do occasionally, like, when we get right down to it, like Tim Mieland's, is great at actually, it's impossible now, you have to do the tape thing. Right, but when no one gets in a room anymore, sadly.

When we narrowed it down to like the last, we did get in room, we did lots of workshop with the, with the actors, and that's a, it's a different skill to doing a tape. And like, it makes total sense, but it's also sort of, it's very disconnecting that tape thing. But I love it all. It's a different skill in a way. It's an entirely different skill, one that I can't, I wouldn't be able to master, but do you don't have that personal

thing like we were having now? Were you a good auditioner back in the day? No, no, it was terrible. I mean, what was it about just getting in your own head, just that weird, I don't know, as we said, it's not the real thing, it's a different kind of thing. No, I was terrible because I had to, terrible, I didn't have very much confidence so that I couldn't go to, you know, I knew at the back of my head I thought I could do it but I just didn't I knew what it would work

I could probably do it Right if you actually hired me I could do the job I just can't do this That's what every actor feels though I think Yeah And that's why

Maybe this is now that I'm just thinking out loud But that's why if you find a champion Like I did with Enda Walsh Yeah Who like cast me And then continue to cast me You know

And then could see the work And he wasn't judging on an audition. So I think if you find, if you're looking enough to find an early champion, we could see beyond that tiny kind of the germ of something to the potential of something. Because that's what it is. You're seeing the audition room, like, just like a hint of what that could blossom into. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember the last time you had to audition? I would imagine it's over for you now, thankfully. Thank you. Fuck. Yeah. I don't recall. I probably have PTSD, but all of them. Yeah. Were you guys that brought in props?

Did you go all out? No, I found it very hard to get into the zone in the room. I know you said you didn't feel like, at least, that you contributed a lot to the 28 years later films yet. But I do want to mention it because last time we couldn't really talk about it. Just to say, first of all, I loved what Danny and Alex. So good. I love that movie. I'm sad that Jody, you're not going to get to mix it up with spoiler warning.

I mean, she's amazing. Amazing, yeah. But like, what was your, I don't know, did you have a feel? like you had a creative contribution or did you kind of just like hang back once they locked in the script and say like you have my blessing go for oh 100% yeah I mean I love about the film I love the way it's so Danny it's so punk yeah it's so it's quite avant-garde in an amazing way it's very bold although Alex's writing was sensational in terms of how they you know everyone talks about world building or whatever but they actually did that in a way that makes total sense but it's driven by

the performances yes it's completely driven by all the performances and I think the performances in it are no the the kid Alfie and a rave I mean I mean not that we're surprised at right Jack O'Connell like wait you see Jack O'Connell the second movie as well like the whole thing it's all driven by performances and writing and direction and that's that's what the original one hopefully was that was that as well and it's I think it's just for us it's so heartening that that movie still gets talked about it and it's stuck around after all these years I don't think it's spilling anything

because Danny's talked to me on camera and many people that you are up here in a limited way I think in the second one so you've shot some stuff yeah what was it like to finally

I guess it was for Nia da Costa the director yes it was wonderful yeah what was it like to finally play gym again after all these years was Danny on set as well like give me a little sense

without revealing what happened no it's this is Nia's movie Danny you know Danny produced it but she was amazing I mean I was only on it

for a brief period but yeah it was quite a It was quite emotional to go back and to think how bloody long ago it was. And, you know, and also just like I said, the fact that these, the film still seems to have retained some relevance or some sort of people enjoy it still, you know. Are you hearing, are we close to a Greenland on the third? Because apparently you get a lot more to chew on. I'm not going to get drawn into that. I'm just trying to will it into existence.

Listen, if everyone goes and sees the second one, then we're in good shape. Okay, we're a few months away from that one. In terms of, like, how you are received by folks out in the wild in Toronto, wherever you are, is it different since Oppenheimer? Is it an equal number of Tommy Shelby fans in Oppenheimer? I would have people want to talk to you about lately? I guess it depends on the person, all of the above, I think. It feels like there's a lot of anticipation for the Peeky Blinders film.

It feels like that another thing that, I suppose, because people keep watching and keep going back to it, you know, that's the nature of streamers now, isn't it, that it never disappears into the background. These things are always there. So there's a lot of, it seems like there's a lot of anticipation by that. And Op and Imer touched an awful lot of people, like, we could never have anticipated the reach that movie had. So I love to talk, talk about them. But, so it's a mix, I suppose. Does it feel like you've shot, obviously, the peaky film? Is that a beginning or an end for Tommy?

What, did it feel different doing a film as opposed to with the TV? The TV always had amazing, cinematic qualities, obviously. But do you feel like you had more license to go bigger, whatever that means for this film? Yeah, we're very keen to make it a cinematic experience, and that is really what we wanted to do. And Tom Harper, the director, did an amazing job. I think it looks fantastic.

And I think I had my sort of fan goggles or hat or whatever on the whole time because I really feel like, you know, the fan base for Piki is incredibly loyal. And people are so devoted to it. I really wanted it to be satisfactory for the fans. You must be, I know you got to be tight with Matt Damon, who you were a fan of before you worked with. A little passing of the torch. he gets his time to be front and center. You know what it's like to be a leading man for Chris Nolan?

I mean, I can't wait for that. Did you talk, have you talked to him since he kind of got a chance to do this? Or when he got the role, is there a conversation about that or? No, I mean, he's, he's Matt Damon. He's okay. He doesn't need my validation. He's just fine. And, you know, they've worked together as well.

That's another established relationship and it's the third movie now they've made together, I think. And so it's just so unbelievably exciting. And I don't know, there is no director in the world. I can think of who you think could wrestle that book into a movie, you know, except for Chris. Totally. And meanwhile, Emily, your buddy, Emily Blunt, is sprinkling her magic dust on Dwayne Johnson next. So maybe he is the next one that gets an Oscar from working with Emily Blunt. I hear that's very exciting film.

I'm seeing it a couple of days. I can't wait. Great. It's going to be amazing. What about this? I'm throwing random stuff at you. Like I mentioned Stephen Knight. We talked about Bond.

Oh, yeah. He's writing Bond. So he is, yeah. Have you talked to him about that? I know you told me you feel like your past. your bond days. Oh, I think so. That being said, other great roles in a Bond film. Look, I think that's a wonderful team. De Neve-Ville, Nove, come on. And Stephen Knight. I mean, they're both at the top of their game. I think it'll be very

exciting. Yeah. So maybe folks have also mentioned this. This might be more of a fan casting thing, but like this whole Voldemore Harry Potter thing. Yeah. Is that, is there anything to that? No. No. I mean, genuine. I mean, my kids show me occasionally, but like, I don't know anything about that okay i mean also it's just really hard to follow anything ray finds does this is true he's the man is an absolute acting legend so good luck to whoever is going to fill those and you've got to lose your beautiful nose for like eight years or something i'm very touched we all are um but yeah we mentioned earlier um i mentioned uh jesse buckley who you said you were fan of before yeah like so are the i mean i don't know how plugged into you are in this film festival season or something but like

Are there films or people that you have your eye on that you're excited to see that you're just hearing about right now or not really? I just bumped into Paul Greengrass there. I saw that one. It's good. Yeah. I mean, he's... He makes great movies. He makes amazing movies.

I'm really looking forward to seeing that. It's a great cast. He's such a great filmmaker. So I'm excited to see that. Excellent. All right. I'm going to wrap up with our... You've done this before.

I'm going to subject... This is the price of doing the podcast four times. You answer some profoundly random questions for me. Oh, God. I know. Okay. The rest of it was fine. Now this is the pain.

I forgot about it. I don't think I've asked you most of these are you a dog or cat person we have both okay yeah equal opportunity do you collect anything uh vinyl I suppose okay uh re-over a video game person favorite video game of all time not really back to your youth no no black man nothing not really no I know okay um this is the most controversial one Dakota Johnson asked me this I ask everybody would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt Jesus. Don't blame me, blame Dakota Johnson.

I suppose I've had a mouth full of bees. They wouldn't have to answer the question, right? It's like a circular thing, then you wouldn't have to ask, answer my stupid questions. That it would be the end of the interview, yeah. Smart and smart man. Wallpaper on your phone, is it still black? You told me that way. Yeah, it's still black.

We love that. Still black. We love that. We encourage that. Last actor you were mistaken for? for? It doesn't really happen. It doesn't happen.

Now you're Killian Murphy. Well. Do less people mangle your name now thanks to the Oscar? Is the percentage gone down? I get a bit of mangling, but it's not so bad. Like it's, I don't mind. I've explained this before. There's no C in the Irish in the Irish alphabet, so that's why.

There's no K in the Irish alphabet, so we use the C then. Got it. You did answer once before. Let's see if the same answer. Worst note a director has ever given you. you oh god what did I say before I don't want to do that again whatever I said before you said you said a director once asked am I a good director oh Jesus yeah remember that one that's pretty bad yeah who's the actor currently that makes you

happy you see them on screen puts you in a good mood oh that kid Cooper Hoffman is really really good he's good he's really good who else um Did you ever work with Phil? No, no, no. I mean, one of my heroes. Everybody, every actor worth of strike, obsessed. One of my absolute heroes. What's your favorite Phil Hoffman performance film?

Ooh, you know, it's funny, when I was coming over on the plane, my son was watching talented Mr. Ripley. Great one. So I was like reading my book, but, you know, like watching the movie with the sound off. Yeah. And then Phil Simmer Hoffman popped up. And he's just in, I mean, in everything, every single thing. I mean, even those little sort of cameo-ish roles.

Oh, yeah. Punch-drunk-lunk-lott? I mean, he's just, he was, like, phenomenal. Yeah. But anyway, Cooper, I think, is pretty amazing. Movie That Makes You Sad? Oh, movie that makes me sad. What made me cry?

There was something that... Fuck. Fuck, what was it? I can't remember. It's okay. It's all good. Good. And, or any foods lately?

that make you confused. What did I say? I want to give you hints. I know the answer, but... I don't, I... Okay, here's one for you. Why do Americans put cinnamon on everything? I mean, I know I'm in Canada.

Yeah, too much. A little cinnamon, though? No. I had it, I ordered some oatmeal, and there was just tasted of cinnamon. Yeah. Well, cinnamon's powerful, so a little goes a long way. Yeah, but I didn't ask for it. Don't get any of me.

You're screaming. Okay, cinema, for the record. Most importantly, Steve, let's spread the good word one more time. Theaters, September 19th, I believe. Okay, see, if you can in a cinema. I mean, it's always great to do that. Yes, please. And it played with a crowd for me, and it's a beautiful piece of work.

And then a gillian people can see this on Netflix. On Netflix. On Netflix, on the third of October. October 3rd. Yeah. Congratulations, man. I really appreciate the time always. Thanks, man.

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David, Tom, it's good to see you both. We're in Toronto. We're spreading the good word of your movie. We're hours from your premiere. No pressure. How you feeling? God. Yeah, good.

I'll speak for myself. I'm very excited. I feel like we're with the whole team and it's like good to be reunited at TIF. It is. And it's such a special place, man. We're talking about movies and it's fun. So, yeah, we're loving it.

And the movie is great. I can personally invest. They gave me a sneak peek. When I saw you two, we're going to be together and something like this. I'm your, I've said this off. Mike, I'm big fans of both of yours. You're killing it.

And to see you guys together in this, it's a special piece of work. So let's talk before we get into a Wasteman, specifically just like premieres. You've been to all manner of premieres in your career. I would imagine some intense ones. This is going to be a different vibe than Hunger Games or an alien premiere. What premieres in your careers have stood out, that you felt kind of the pressure or excitement in your life? I think he might have just said it, man. I think, yeah, those kind of me.

movies there's a different thing that comes with them do you know what I mean like the people kind of put something on it but this particular one is is special because it feels personal almost you know what I mean like small but like we make this for nothing in 18 days in a prison so yeah this one in particular feels really special yeah just second that I think we've both done like probably one each of the big like blockbuster things that come with like a built-in fan base um which is its own pressure, you know, because you want to please them and honor the thing they love. But this is cool because we get to bring something completely fresh to people who have never seen it before. And it was a labor of love. So it feels. And it's on the screen. So you said

18 days shot into prison. I was going to ask what you already shot this. This is not a sound stage. You can feel it. It's palpable. It's a bit of both, actually, wasn't it? Was it really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, well done then. Congratulations. But talk to me like you guys are at such interesting points in your respective careers. You have a lot of exciting opportunities at your feet. And I love that you're doing something like this. That is like a smaller passion project. Give me a sense for both of you. Why, how you want to focus your efforts on something like this. You know, I don't know how you feel, Tom, but I really do feel like, you know, we feel I feel like I feel really lucky and blessed to be doing the projects. I'm doing 100%. But I still feel

like I'm making a body of work, you know, things to feel proud of and look back and be like, oh, I was able to do that and do this and do that. So this particular one again, it felt like something I haven't done before. And that feels really gratifying. Yeah. Talk about someone I haven't seen a character. I haven't seen you play before. Look, you've played, you know, some not so nice folks before. But this guy's a little bit different. This guy's a pretty extreme. Is it how much of it is about the character and how much of it is about working with David, give me a sense of... This is the closest part to me I've ever played.

I was going to say this is a really... Reality TV here while he's doing drama. Yeah, you have to take the tattoos off from the interview. Yeah, I've actually covered up the tattoos for this. No, it's like, I mean, I read the script and I was just gravitated towards D. I was like, I want to play that part. He's wild. He's feral.

He's like, he's kind of always cooking. You never, even when he's quiet, I think he's most dangerous when he's, He's quiet because you never know what he's going to snap at. He's just like a coiled wire. And it's so fun to play. And it's heavy. It's dark. Like the stuff he does, the way he manipulates is intense.

And I think we've probably spoken about this before. But I like to go to places that I would never go in my real life and get into the psyche of that and the why of that. And, you know, like getting to play with David. even though like the material itself is quite heavy. We had a lot of fun doing it. I would hope so because you don't want to live this 24-7, even in those 18 days, that's a, that's a dark place to live.

How much of it is it also about like shining the light on like this world, right? We've seen a lot of like prison dramas and and, you know, folks of different stripes that are, you know, incarcerated in the cyclical nature of the of the system, both in the U.S. and the UK. But I don't know. What was important for you to kind of like shine a light on for Taylor for D? Well, look, I think, I think, you know, we, we spoke a lot about this movie and what it means.

Because the last thing I think you want to do when you're playing with something that is incredibly real, like the justice system is, be like voyeuristic and kind of make it, you know, like do playhouses with it. You don't want to do that, explosive, exactly. The name, the word that kept coming up quite a lot when we were rehearsing was like masculinity. and um and you know these men who are in the prison system my character in particular um it's feeling a lot but you know the masculinity of it kind of pushes it right down especially in a pressure cooker like a prison um justice system so yeah for me i you know getting into it again like i lost some weight to play him and tom gained some weight to play him Equilibrium.

You're always a constant weight and not we've reversed. Now we're 300 pounds collective. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we agree. Yeah, we always share a scale. Yeah. But no, it was, you know, nonetheless, for both of us, I think, you know,

it was about who these guys are on the inside and what they can't show and therefore, how do they act. So, yeah, that was the joy of this. And we worked with some real prisoners, you know. I'd say like about 50 to 70, five percent of the actors on our set were yeah i'd say that like there were there were more ex-incarcerated people than than actual actors um which is that keeps you on your toes like you walk into an actual

prison you're working you're working opposite you're staring at someone that's lived this life yeah you don't want to be the one fucking it keeps you true because you don't want to be a fraud like i mean as an act you never want to be a fraud but like when you're making something that is so visceral and like harms so many people you know the prison system is supposed to be about like reforming people and making them get back out into the world, but most of the time it's not. Most of the time it does more damage than, I mean, there's the, obviously, like, the exception to the rule. There are some prisons out there that are, like, experimenting with, like, actually helping

people, but our film is not about one of those prisons. No. And so, so, yeah, it kept us true. I think, like, we worked with this charity called Switchback, which is a British, like, prison reform charity and also working with people who were incarcerated, and they kind of started as our consultants and then and then Cal was like we want the guys we're talking to in the film yeah um and brought them in and are scattered throughout the film in various roles um and they all do amazing performances as well which is crazy um but yeah i think it just kept us honest so when you know

so much of this is going to rest on your partner and you've done films where you know whether it's kaley or rachel zegler where it's like you've got a partner in crime and in a different way here you have one um like what's what's i don't know if you guys knew each other or not but like do you suss each other out do you like ask mutuals like what's the process before you dive into working so closely together well we we yeah tom and i we we share an agent together and we became fast friends and not only and he's going to hate me doing this but not only do i really respect his work he's like just a stellar person and what we realize is you know when you when you're going our film is uh it's not it's not an easy watch you know what i mean it's quite intense

and the work that we did because we just said about having the the weight of like trying to make something that feels very honest and real. There was no space for like, um, we didn't fake anything. You know what I mean? Like even like our fight sequences was like really real. What we realized quickly was that you need trust. And, and there's no one I could have trusted or asked to, to work with in this capacity than Tom. It was, it meant everything to have someone like him, not just to be able to trust,

but also to go as deep as possible, um, into these characters. I do feel I feel I trust is the it's kind of the word of the day with this this project especially because yeah we both had to go there in different ways right you had to go deeply deeply into yourself to to mine out some real pain and and trauma and I had to like push myself beyond limits I've pushed myself before and kind of bounce off the walls and be brave and be ugly like these are a pretty ugly person inside like and out sometimes but but um never out it never was gorgeous there are some ugly moments for sure um and it's like it requires like not feeling judged and i think

like you know definitely we we just had each other's back i mean i feel like i've got a new best mate off the back of this so again especially now that i know it's like literally 18 days like there's no room there's that you can't like figure it out on day six like you have to hit the ground running we trust truly yeah i mean we're texting each other all the time that we should do this we're constantly looking for for projects to do together so so d's kind of like the worst imagined roommate ever you don't want him like entering your world it's like nightmare yeah did you decide to room together for uh solidarity those 18 days sure that was that we might have missed the trick there i mean she's fair we probably would have eating each other alive it was it was such a go-go-go

production we did share cars on the way on the way on we'd like we'd kind of like decompress after a long day how do you decompress is there music involved what's the what's the way that you click off of something we just just spoke you know yeah you know you know it I I've got to be honest, Josh. It is amazing making movies, man. We love it. But part of making movies is like talking about making movies. And like, I'm like getting to the heart of like, you know, what is good, what it's bad, what it's tough. And all those things. And Tom and Iger, but just that was like, I think our bonding. I want to dip into a little of that because I want to eavesdrop on what these conversations are because I love this stuff too and part of the reason I want to talk to you guys

is not only again this great film but like again where you guys are at and I'm so excited for both of you and you've so impressed me with what you've been doing the last few years but like do you I don't know do you swap stories like audition stories like oh my god I had this nightmare audition like I don't know

what are the points that actors of your stripe where do you connect I mean we're kind of fortunate because we started this project like already friends and are both at kind of pretty similar places in our careers i'd say so um and we both like i worked with francis lawrence on the hunger games and then literally straight after waste man DJ went over to do the long walk with francis and so we have so many people in common so many experiences in common um we could get a we can get a glass of wine and just sit and talk

all night the two of us like um so most of it's just like swapping war stories and what about um let let me put you guys against each other rata or julyard which is tougher which is tougher which which is the better of training ground. That's really funny. How long were your days? My days were, all right, some days. We'd literally go from like 6 a.m. until like 10 p.m.

Okay, fair enough. That's long. Did you work Saturdays though? Yeah. Okay, fair enough. I'm sick, snow, it's not a competition. Yeah, yeah. It's not going to break us up.

Just shouldn't break us up, right? I'm done here. You had a good run. Okay, so talk, you, you're an EP on this. I know you're writing. another series. I mean, again, you guys are having more and more opportunities. Like, you think about kind of like the box set of the work, it sounds like. You're like, you know, you've done the franchise thing. You're going to do more franchise things, I'm sure. But I don't

know, what is the, is there, is there an actor? Is there a career to emulate? Like, where are your heads out in terms of the next five, 10 years of the kind of career you want to carve out? Well, you know, Josh, I really do feel like, um, there's so many actors, people that I love and directors that I would of course love to work with part of me is always scared to talk about them because I feel like you know it's like you're jinxing it I don't know why I'm not even know I've had a lot of history with this

sometimes you manifest these things when you talk about it out loud I'm just saying I'm just far too shy drops but I also feel and Tom and I think we know we'd be open about saying this I hope I'm not saying anything it's too personal but we're trying to also do it a bit different you know and and feel like you're carving out your own bath sometimes

is so nice like meeting people that I love and being like you know tell me like what should I be doing telling me this and then also I'm like I forget that do what feels right to you so I think the juggling of that is what makes for the little things I've been doing so far I mean it's about like I feel like you emulate this as well I emulated from you is this just like looking for versatility and diversity of rules like never doing the same thing twice or if you do it's for a different reason um yeah i mean we've both done the big sci-fi plotbuster we've both done rom-coms now like you know it's just keeping it fresh and testing yourself and seeing the limits of what you can do and i'm just always looking to transform a little bit even if it's micro transformations

but yeah absolutely for your next one i'm gonna probably talk to you about as people we meet on vacation talk about a much different kind of a film are the fans of that as intense as the hunger games fans have you encountered that fandom do you feel connected with it i'm yet to like properly find out but I get the sense they might be more intense. I'm starting to garner that they might be a bit more intense, but in a good way. In a good way. I'm your friend. Please like it. Like me. Please love me. Have you read the other like other Emily Henry works? Did you kind of dive into that world? I haven't read any of other books. I just read this one while we were shooting. But yeah, I mean, honestly, it's probably not something I would have read had I not

had I not been offered the film. But then that's the beauty of things. I just read. That's the beauty of job as well as you get to like discover stuff that you wouldn't otherwise right and i i did that because i came off the back of waistman and playing clothes before it and uh two pretty intense yeah contrast yeah yeah and i was just feeling quite heavy and um yeah heavy i was feeling pretty like weighed down by them yeah um and you know not in like a self uh um not taking myself too seriously but just like you take it with you a little bit every time you do a really heavy roles and i was like oh i need to shake it off and do something light and fun and and And was that why you did Rylane?

Was that like, what was your reason for that? I mean, Rylane was my first movie. Yeah, that was my first film, man. Yeah, so I just, I kind of, I didn't expect Rylane to be Rylane. I just was desperate to get into movies, you know. Sometimes it works out. It's no surprise, it's no surprise both of you have been rumored associated with, like, Marvel and D.C. projects. There was talk about you for Clayface.

There's been a lot of talk about you in Marvel. Have you ever met Kevin Feigy? Have you ever met Ryan Cougler, David? What are we doing this? Because we're spreading a good word of waste man. This is the cost. No, I mean, no, I know, to be honest, if you, I haven't, but, you know, I just love making movies. And they've made, I never, and do you know, no, I know, I know you think I'm being diplomatic.

I'm not actually, I'm being honest. And, you know, you just said Ryan Cougler, come on. I've watched Sinners like five times. Yeah. And also, if we're going to do this, come on, Josh. Let's go. It's Prudeville. come on what he's three or four four four whatever he's done yeah it's ridiculous so no i just again

those people whatever they're doing i'm there does the like if that real email comes through and says would you want to talk about black panther i mean that's i mean i don't know if you ever met chadwick but like i mean talk about an icon i i icon on and off the screen on and off the screen if you're genuinely going to ask me about someone who i really do respect and lift high, Chadwick, a million times over. Talk about icons. I'm sure Rafe has come to you for help. Yeah, he just wants to stop texting me, asking me for pointers and advice and stuff.

I'm like, dude, calm down, man. You're supposed to know what you're doing by now. What's it like to kind of pass the baton? That's kind of a crazy thing, but it's an amazing thing. Yeah, no, Rafe has not talked to me at all, which I'm fine with. No, he's truly one of my heroes. So, and like, I just don't think, like, in terms of, like, British actors alive today, you don't really get better than, like, than Ray Fines.

Yeah, what a crazy call. I mean, obviously, I was, like, slightly gutted not to be coming back yet for the Hunger Games. And, but at the same time, I was like, I was kind of relieved. I was like, it's nice to have some separation from it and let them go and do their thing. And we'll see where it goes in the future. But, yeah, pretty cool, like, person to hand the mantle over. Pretty good. So a waste man style fight to the death.

Only one of you can be James Bond. Are you going to wrestle right here? Go to just kill each other for that role. Denise is doing it. It's not just James Bond. Yeah. That's why. That's amazing.

And Stephen Knight's doing the script. Yes. Yeah. So that's like a recipe for success. We'll definitely watch it. We'll share it. Half and a hour. Double seven and a half.

It's a funny. It's a bloody comedy. Yes. DeNeveloon is a bloody comedy. That sounds right. Yeah, yeah, I'll take it. You both are going to come on Happy Second Few's solo so I can really dive into each of your respective careers,

I promise you. But we're going to do the profoundly random questions anyway, just because I have you guys here. Cool. Some rapid fire. Dogs or cats? Dogs. We were just with some puppies today at Tiff,

and yeah, we both, like, fawning. That's why we're late. Yeah, yeah. All you get is me, sadly, here. What do you collect, if anything? Oh. I collect lighters. Do you?

Big lighter fam. I just got my first zip-hole. off the back of a job as like a rap gift. But I don't really collect anything anymore. I used to collect rocks as a kid. Yeah. Do either of you have the favorite video game of all time? GTA.

I was gonna say Grandf Dought of two. Yeah, yeah. Not that we can do violence, but, you know, it's, it's a- We've just made a very violent. Yeah, that's true. Have you seen a waste man? Yeah, yeah. You're right, we don't.

You really are. No, no, no. No, no. Um, Dakota Johnson Memorial questions. She asked me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have? have a mouthful of bees or one be in your butt one be in my butt

I think good question that's existential isn't it yeah blimey wait is this forever are they there forever sure it's going to be there oh god let's go there that's a different question I'll do I'll do be in my butt it might even be invigorating who knows never say never right

don't pepping your stuff you want any coffee anymore what's the wallpaper on your phones mine's my girlfriend mine's mine the same mine's me not as your girlfriend just clarify it keeps trying to break us up

I know I know mine's my girlfriend David last after either you were mistaken for oh sorry I was mistaken for Paul

today Paul Mescal yeah because we were both coming in and out at the same time and maybe dressed like similar but like he came in I went out like and someone was like Paul and I was like nope and he was like oh yeah yeah so there were worse people

there are worse people I mean he's great I've got I got I've got I've got have get mistaken for dams and Idris sometimes and he is brilliant man killing it so fine fine ramp it's my best friend too yeah what's the worst noted director has ever given you Worst and best, no, actually was do it better. Someone actually said to me, do it better. And I was like, terrible note. But I was also like, yeah, I think I can.

So I did. Yeah. Sometimes that is actually what you need, to be fair. Yeah. Yeah, mine would be like when they go bigger. I'm like, yeah, but bigger how, you know, that's always a trick. Yeah, yeah.

And then in the spirit of happy, say confused, an actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're instantly in a better mood. Jack Black, I suppose, is a good one for that, for happy, yeah. Seth Rogen. Oh, yeah. Just obsessive him.

Movie that makes you sad. Oh, my goodness. The boy in the striped pajamas. I know that's such a basic answer, but it is just like the saddest film ever. Yeah. Carol. Oh, yeah. Good one.

With hard hands, nice. And a food that makes you confused. Oh. You don't get it. Why do people eat that? Oh, my God. oysters. No, I do like them, but then sometimes

they're just so fishy. I hear you. Yeah, and I had a bad experience in Louisiana with an oyster. That sounds like the beginning of my song. Yeah, yeah. The name of my memoir. We were just about to put the guitar out.

It's like a Tom Petty song. I would say, yeah, pineapples on pizzas. Oh no. That's a dividing line. Come on. That's like cilantro for people. Yeah.

Where do you stand? I'm okay with both cilantro and pine. I mean, I don't ever order it. Yeah. But I don't mind it. Fun part of that way. Do you have the soapy mouth thing with cilantro? You know, that's the thing.

Yeah. Yes, I have. Yeah, yeah. I love it. Love it. Also, we don't say cilantro. What do we call it against? Corrianda.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been working in America quite a long. I was going to say, which, where are you? I'm confused and happy and sad. There it is. He just earned his next booking on the podcast. Thank you so much. I set him up.

I set him up. You both are coming back. Congratulations. Waste Man is exceptional. I know it's going to get distribution soon so the rest of the world can see it and it's good to catch up with you guys. Josh, thank you so much a pleasure.

Really. Cheers. Thank you guys. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

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