Happy Sad Confused - Claire Foy & Matt Smith

Episode Date: December 14, 2017

One would think when you welcome two guests to the podcast, each esteemed British actors, playing no less than Queen Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh respectively, that a very dignified and maybe even stodgy conversation awaits. One would be very wrong. On this episode of "Happy Sad Confused", Josh welcomes Claire Foy and Matt Smith for a wild and unpredictable conversation about pretty much everything but their Netflix show, "The Crown". From Matt's musings on starting a podcast to Claire and Josh's sad ignorance of "Doctor Who", this chat is off the rails in the best possible way from the start. Somewhere in there, Claire and Matt debate classic movie trilogies, who Ryan Gosling loves more, and how high on their respective friends lists the other is. This is a fun one. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to my podcast. Apologies, guys. I know I've been teasing this episode for a little while. It was a little bit delayed in going up partially because of a crazy little trip. I had to Los Angeles this past week. Sammy is still there, in fact, so I'm flying solo for the introduction, but we had a lot of fun in L.A. doing a bunch of really cool shoots that are, you can watch them, different aspects of them on MTV's YouTube channel and MTV's Facebook page.

I've been socializing them as well, so look out for them. But suffice to say, I got to, I got a chance to go to the Star Wars premiere. Yes, you can be jealous. It was pretty amazing. and particular for someone like me who's just a ginormous huge old Star Wars fan. There's nothing cooler.

It's my first Star Wars premiere. This is a big moment. So we covered the red carpet for that and talked to Daisy Ridley and a bunch of the stars of that and that was a blast and the movie is pretty remarkable. I'm excited to check it out again.

It's one of those things where it's hard to absorb it all at once. It's Star Wars. It's still just too much to handle and it's a lot of film. It's a two and a half. hour movie. A lot of crazy stuff happens in it. But my first inclination is it's a very, very, very good movie. So I'll see that once or twice or five times more, maybe more in the theater. And then I'll get back to you with a full review. We also covered the new

pitch perfect movie, pitch perfect three and spoke to all the stars of that, including Anna Kendrick, good old buddy Anna Kendrick, podcast Frequenter Anna Kendrick. And also chatted with Haley Steinfeld and Ruby Rose, and those were super fun, and those interviews are coming at you soon. And then we wrapped up our Los Angeles trip with a big old movie star in Dwayne the Rock Johnson. We covered the premiere of Jumanji, and that's a really fun movie, I have to say. I know, you know, on paper, some people might look at it like, oh, God, they're trying to rehash Jumanji and just it's kind of just a cash grab. It's legitimately a very, very fun movie. exceeded my expectations, and that cast is fantastic from Dwayne the Rock Johnson to Kevin Hart,

Karen Gillen, and oh my God, Jack Black steals the day. He is awesome in the movie. So anyway, that's a lot of information, but check out those interviews on MTV's Facebook and YouTube pages. Check out my social, and you'll be able to catch all the fun we had there. Anywho, let's talk about this week's or today's guests, because we might have. have another podcast coming this week, if I can fit it in. Today's guests are Matt Smith and Claire Foy. They are, of course, the two leads in the remarkably popular and critically hailed Netflix series, The Crown. I don't really need to sell you guys on the show.

I don't think you've probably watched it by now, but it was such a phenomenon in its first season, and the second season definitely lives up to the first. This is sadly the final season for. Matt and Claire as their two characters are aging as the years go by, so they are recasting those roles. I think they've already recast Claire's role, of course, as the Queen. That's going to be Olivia Coleman, an amazing actress in her own right. We don't know who's going to play Philip yet, though. So that's going to be something interesting to watch. That being said, this conversation barely talks about the crown. And I'm not going to apologize for that. This was such a

a nice surprise because I haven't spent I've interviewed Matt for like 10 minutes once a few years ago seemed charming enough but like no history there. Claire, I only met a few months ago in Toronto at the Toronto Film Festival where I chatted with her and Andrew Garfield about their film

Breathe. So I didn't really know what I was going to get. I didn't know what kind of personalities they were. I certainly didn't know how they were going to interact with each other let alone this virtual stranger in me. I think this is one of my favorite conversations that I've had on the podcast because it's just it's just remarkably random and

free associative and and they're just both witty funny people and um it was a delight i think they had her blast they did not want to leave the room as they were being ushered away so that's a good sign and i certainly didn't want the conversation to end um but i have a feeling both will be back in the podcast for their respective projects i mentioned dr who and girl the dragon tattoo in the intro the reason I mention those, of course, is that Claire Foy is, right now she's shooting this new Damien Chiselle movie, which is a very cool, you know, Armstrong movie along

her and Ryan Gosling. That's going to be amazing. But next, she is going to be, yes, the girl of the dragon tattoo and the latest version of that, of those books. So I'm very excited to see her in that kind of role, much different, obviously, than the queen. And so we talk a little

bit about that towards the end. And we do talk about Dr. Hu in the course of this conversation. I will say, and some of you might hate me for this and hate Claire Foy for this, it's kind of an amusing chat, in that Claire and I may be the two most ignorant people ever about Doctor Who to share a conversation with Matt Smith. Poor Matt had to just roll his eyes at these two idiots who didn't know anything, virtually anything about Doctor Who. So that's something I apologize in advance for my Doctor Who ignorance. It's just one of those.

things. I haven't gotten to it. I love the actors associated with that show. Please, Karen Gillen, we love Karen, David Tennant. They're all amazing. But I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I will. I will. That in Game of Thrones. You guys know me. I'm an idiot. Anyway, remember review, rate, and subscribe to Happy Say I Confused. Go in iTunes right now if you could. Write a little review. We might even read it on the introduction. next week with Sammy here. I'll let Sammy do the honors. Or just give us a review.

Spread the good word. It really does help, and it's much, much appreciated. So without any further ado, let's go to this conversation. I would be shocked if you're not grinning from ear to ear in hearing these two insanely charming folks, chit chat with me for 45 minutes. Here they are, Claire Foy and Matt Smith. Oh, wait, one warning. Not really a warning, but just a note.

audio could have been better. I know this is always a struggle. It's fine. Don't go crazy. It's fine. But there was a little audio glitch. One of the microphones, they were supposed to have a microphone each, wasn't working. They had to share a mic.

They're friends. They shared the mic. It was fine. I've listened to it. Totally fine. Just not up to my lofty standards. There, there's your note. Now, enjoy the podcast.

Gosh, should we talk? I mean, we're already talking. Yeah, let's do it. But I feel like, I feel like the good stuff is already done. No way, man. No way, I'm saving it all up. I just, I love your office. Thank you. I sort of want to work here.

You're welcome in this office any time. I think I should have my own podcast. What would your podcast? Yeah, thank you. Sorry. What would it be about, right? Claire? What would it be about, I don't know.

I don't know. I just, all I know at the moment is I think I think I'm, You had the epiphany. That's the first step. Yeah. Just my musings. My musings on the world. You have quite a surreal, but... Face? Yeah, that, but imagination.

Body. It could just be, you could just, it could be a theme every week. You'd go to a different, you know, part of your brain. And explore it. What's left of it. It's almost like a little improv exercise where someone, your co-host, your sidekick, Josh Arowitz, whatever, throws out a top. topic, an idea, and then we have the musings of Matt Smith for 20, 45, six hours,

whatever you, oh, an hour, wow. It's just straight up solo improv. You're ready for this. Straight up. What happens if there's nothing happening? You've got absolutely nothing to give, and it's just a silent episode podcast. Pinter cage live in the pauses. It's called art, Claire.

I mean, come on. I'm going to go. Starts it now. Please, just ask him any random question and see what his music is. What do you think this podcast is? Don't worry. If you haven't got the drill yet, there's no rhyme or reason

to what we're doing here today, guys. Yeah, consider this year audition, Matt. Okay, good, right, right. Well, you know, yeah, yeah, okay, good. We will decide by the end. And I apologize. If I deserve one. Yes, I don't worry, you do.

I apologize in advance to those listeners. The audio, we're sharing a microphone because we're all friends here. Yeah. You guys are sharing one, so feel free to lean in because they need to hear your beautiful... That would never happen on my podcast.

Like each guest would have their own mic Well, I did, but the technical difficulties You guys got here early, I'm flummoxed Hey, I'm sorry, we keep doing that We keep arriving early, what's that about? We're never early. We're never early. But it's been nice, you know, I've looked around your office.

You're still doing it. You're absolutely fascinated. I am a little bit of a manned crush, are we okay? Well, I have more of a room crush. Let's start there. Yeah, the big trouble in little china poster got me some cred. Signed.

Signed big trouble. I mean, come on. Come on, and look how cool he looks. And he wrote, Josh, I love it too. What's wrong with us? I know. I know, he'd be a great follow-up. Prince Philip.

He's American. He can do an axe. I mean, Matt. Do you remember Captain Ron? He did a great accent and Captain Ron. John Isko did play Winston Churchill as well, didn't it? Yeah. He's, I love Kurt Russell.

He's great. And also, Kurt Russell, he could probably just play him a mute. If he wasn't good at the accent, he'd just be great. You're quite similar. There's an essence. you should take that as a high compliment. You and Kurt Russell? Me and Kurt Russell.

Is that true? Are you making that up? Yeah, no, I know. I am. I am. So, okay, we all don't have that much of a past. I've met you so briefly one set of Comic-Con. I don't expect you to ever remember. Claire, we met recently in Toronto,

which was a lovely, totally insipid conversation. Incipid, it was a ridiculous conversation. We're such a classy movie. Why? Was it insipid? Flaccid. Do you remember the topics that we covered, Claire? I don't expect you to.

I can refresh. No, all I remember is Andrew was being odd. Andrew, so Andrew... He was on, he was like very, very troublesome in that one. He was, even by Andrew standards. He was just being a bit fruity. What, fruity how? What, what, fruity inquisitive, about glasses.

There was a glasses thing, exactly. There was a simulated masturbation on a microphone. That was an accidental. That was it? Yes. What the fuck happened in this podcast? No, that was completely accidental. There was a beat boxing talk.

was, but that never happened. That never happened. You like to rap, Andrew, actually. I remember that. Really? We tried to entice Claire to make her beatboxing debut. It did not happen.

Can you beatbox? No! Look at me. It was the microphone. The microphone was very... It was a lot going on with the microphone for me. It was all about the microphone that interview.

Come on. So it's like a porn cast. He does. It was. So Matt does have the beatboxing skill. No, I don't have the beatboxing skill. Although I like to think I can rap. I can't.

No, I mean, I need a, you know, obviously I need someone to lay down a beat before I lay down any lyric Yeah? Yes. Coming at you

No. No good rap starts in coming at you Come at you. Okay, right Okay, go, go, go, go, go, okay, right, you can beat box and I'll just wrap.

Okay, go, okay. We'll have to beat box all the time, ready? Ruffalo, Shannon, Norton, Eisenberg, Jillyn Hall, Jillen Hall, Wilde, Scarsguard,

Connolly, Stiles, Rishi. Well, okay. That's not a rap. So, look, just listing names. Guys, just so you know, there is, Josh has a hit list in his office. It's a hit list of people you're going to take them all out. Some are in red, summer in green.

The greens are goes. People that's not true. The reds are people that he wants to kill. No, there's somebody reds. He's never even going to. those are the New Yorkers as I explain to you guys don't confuse the audience they're already so confused

no yeah so what if if beatboxing is not your secret skill what's your secret party trick what do you do a couple too many drinks in you at a party what can you break out just being a dickhead really that's my secret party trick what's your secret party trick

I don't have one yes you do you an impressionist are you a are you double jointed I have been diagnosed as being hyper-mobile. You heard it first. I don't know. Wendy, our friend Wendy said I was hyper-mobile for one thing.

You are, very, all your limbs do move independently at the same time. Karen Gillen, who's on there. The murder horse, yeah. She used to describe me as a piece of liquid. I feel this is really focused on me. What's your party trick? I don't think, I really don't think I have one. No, I can't.

Oh, come on. Yeah, apart from me. I can Irish dance. That's pretty good. It's not really a trick. And I can... I've never seen you do that. I'd do an impression of Louis Armstrong.

That's quite good, actually, your Louis Armstrong. That is pretty good. You don't just offer that up and then just move on to a new topic. Well, no, it can't be a party trick, because then we're not at a party. I mean, this is an exciting moment. This is as close to a party, as I guess. I have to keep something for myself And my impression of him is going to be

Sacred, okay It is actually quite good I'd like to stop talking about it Because it's getting me angry now The more we talk about it, the more I can't see it The thing is I didn't know where it came from I didn't know, is that James McAvoy? Yeah, it's Michael Schenackevore's

James McAvoy's business card It's Professor Triple X He did a sketch with me I'll show it with you after if you'd like Where he played a computer repair specialist That is basically has sex with a computer on top of me That sounds lovely Yeah

He's a wonderful man You've worked with Mr McAvoy I have yeah He is an absolute He's a lot Let's be honest What do you mean As a person

No I just say I love James But he's Among the silly sketches I've done He is the one that has always gone Like 190% Method No no he's got so much energy

The man's got so much energy Really Almost extraordinary He is able to In the play we did together He was able to jump Macbeth From the floor

To a take in one move, like, as in like, like Spider-Man. Yeah, well, cool. I don't know how he does that, which is pretty extraordinary. But also, he is not afraid of just saying the weirdest, most perverted thing that anyone could possibly never think of, because it only comes out of his mind. Yeah, he's basically the person I can ask to do, like, the most disgusting idea I have and be like, I think James will do that.

And he'll always trump you. He'll always be better than you. There's no way you can up him. Wow. Because then he'll jump off a table or something. I need to meet James. I think you guys would be fast friends. No, I've never met James McAfee.

He is a dream boat. So this is fun in that you guys get to do a lot of your press together. Yes, thank the stars. Thank God. I think I just run in front of a bus if it had to do it on my own. It would be awful. And it's a good excuse since this is essentially your victory lap at this point. Like, you don't guys don't.

It's that one song. Yeah, let me just say this. You guys don't actually need to sell the show. You guys are good. The show's, like, it's all. already a hit. You don't need... Tell that to Netflix. You don't need to be here.

I want to be here. This is the best one. Tell that to the old ball and chain. So was infamously, there are these silly things called chemistry reads. Yeah. Which, yes, that is the proper response to a chemistry read. We sort of had one, didn't we?

Well, chemistry. That shit was instant. Yeah. That shit went down. There was like stars around her. Anyway. Is there true to those things? Is that like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That actually happens, you walk in a room and you, like, oh, yeah, I abide with this person, there's something here. Yeah, I think so, don't you?

Like, I've had it when it's not been good. I've never really had a chemistry test thing. I don't really, but I've had auditions with the other act to see whether you. I think it's more about the fact that you have to get on. I don't think it's like that thing of, like, walking into a room and seeing if you're, like, find each other trash or something. No, no, right. No, no. No. I mean, that was obviously a fate of complete. Oh, of course. Do not undermine that one off the box.

Do not undermine me. I'm being very vulnerable at the moment. I'm in a fragile state right now. The show is ending for me. I just wrap the whiteboard. It's a new loan point in my career in life. Oh, dear. No, no, go on, carry on.

But all I've ever done is met people. Yeah, I don't know. I think, I don't, I've never been in a circumstance where I haven't got on with the person that I'm either married to. But have you had an order? where you've read with more than one person and gone yeah to that person no to that person well I've been the person who's reading with the people yeah not anymore I haven't had a chemistry

I've never been put in a position where I'm like with multiple where she can put an X over a guy's face on a board and say but you have there was only you there was no for Prince Philip there was no they didn't wheel anyone else in is that true yeah that was it it was him and his funny socks just the one ticket please yeah they were all a bit weird weren't they after us they were like this is it guys, this is it. And I could just see you going, I'm not sure I want to do this, I'm not sure I want to do this. Why is everyone telling me that I'm really great? And I don't really, this is a bit weird.

She's pregnant, what's going on? I need to get out of here. It's a really small room. That was a very small room. What's happening here? I don't know. Oh, his pants are coming undone. What's the thing? You can feel comfortable here, but not that comfortable. It's you. This is, this is.

Well, you, you encourage, you led Garfield down apart of destruction and porn. This is what's happened. Actually, this is very true I am the common denominator I am the ex-factor You are the common denominator This is interesting Adult zone

Oh right Calm down everybody It's hot in here right I mean even though your flies up You haven't I have There's a little zippage going on here We're seeing a lot of mat

Or a high-wasted pant Who doesn't want the high-wasted pant though So This has been my favourite interview of New York Can we call this an interview? Yeah. Okay, that's very charitable. Purple diarrhea.

Should I bother my nose? What should we talk about? So do you guys... Okay, we're not to talk about the crown. Do you guys... So, had you ever met before your chemistry read? I absolutely maintain... You can't remember that you.

I met you on a sofa in the BBC auditioning for Little Dorrit, but you said you'd never auditioned for Little Dorrit. I didn't. I swore it was you. If it wasn't you, but someone who looked exactly like you at that period of time.

Kurt Russell. I found out that that person was going to be Doctor Who. It's a lot of coincidences. Unless I did not audition for Little Dora. Are you sure for the part that... Who played it? Arthur Darville. Are you sure?

100%. Maybe if you ask you a game, you might actually remember it. Maybe I was so nervous that I just made it up. Who is your celebrity doppelganger? Who do you get mistaken for? Oh, God. Who do you get mistaken for? I get told on it like Emily Blunt.

No bad thing. That's good. New Yorker. There's like a bracket of us who've all got pale skin and blue eyes and dark hair. Flick. Felicity Jones.

Andrew Reisbrough. Oh. Yeah. See, I can see. I mean... There's like a few of us who are all look the same,

essentially. Are those the conversations that you really relish where you get to correct somebody and have to list your IMDB and be like, actually you might know me from... Well, actually, no.

The Emily Blunt ones the only one I've really had where people have gone, if anyone ever told you like Emily Blunt and I've gone, actually you're not the first person. and I've been hugely complimented. You've got quite big eyes.

You've both got quite big eyes, you two. Yeah, well that's... Cinematic eyes. Yeah. They say, what do they say about... Eyes. They're the windows of something? Oh, they're so...

What do your eyes say about you, Matt? I don't know. They're dark pools of death. Dark pools of death, destruction. You've got green eyes. I have got green eyes. Gorgeous. Yes.

Oh, stop it. Clerk can leave. Get out. Get out. I realized, Claire, in reading up on your illustrious resume, that though we haven't actually crossed paths before recently, that I did see one of the very important cinematic works in your career. I was at the premiere of Season of the Witch here in New York.

Were you here in New York for that premiere? Yes, I was. That was a magical night for me. Oh, it was just, wasn't it? Caged. Cage. It was just wall-to-wall, fine acting in that film. She was the witch, guys.

Yeah. I need to watch that movie, don't I? Should you feel like it was a big break. You know when you do those, like the first thing I did on TV was an adaptation. Sorry to bring it back to me, but it is my podcast of a Philip Pullman novel. And I remember it came on TV and I thought, I'm going to get the tube. And I got on the tube and I thought, God, what's it going to be like being famous? Everyone's going to know me.

And nobody gets shit. Literally five years later, no one cared, you know. Did you think that was like Because it was Nick Cage It was a big movie It was very weird thing Because I went to the I've done a little Dorrit

And I went to the premiere Of Little Dorrit in Leicester Square With Matthew McFad And I was like This is really surreal And then Matthew was like What are you going to do next I was like

Don't you a film with Nicholas Cage? And I just remember thinking What's wrong with like What's happened to me I never felt like it was like Here I come It was more like What on earth is going on?

How did this happen? I was in a cage With Nicholas Cage Very meta Like that's hilarious It was a hilarious thing. Who was ever in that situation when they're 24 years old? Hopefully not many.

It was just unbelievable. I love Nick Cage. I mean, come on. He's great. He's extraordinary. Talk about, we're talking about the Maccoy. He's like the guy that'll go for anything. He'll pop out, yeah.

He'll, he is entirely willing to be ironic about himself. Yeah. I think Nick is, and I'm making a pleasure for this, he should be the person who is given a long-form TV show. Really? With the central character being odd and strange, but compelling and really requiring. Because he's such a brilliant actor. I saw some amazing acting that he did on that film.

Really? No, I didn't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't mean it that way. But, you know, it might not possibly have made it in. Amazing response. Really? You mean, that film? What? Season of the movie?

No, I'm sound like such an asshole. I'm sorry. That's horrible. I mean, I'm very proud of that movie. What's the most? eccentric thing you've seen Nicholas Cage do though in a charming way. Have you seen have you been to his castle? Have you

talked to vampire? I was never invited to any of that. He used to shout Briggie where's my hot chocolate? I can't do his voice. I know, is he a sort of old English woman? The Nick Cage we know is just the put on. I got because it was Nicholas Cage

doing up, what's happened? What's on the back of your sorry, there's writing on the back of your, your, your, your, your, your, your, What does he say? What does he say? It says, um, I'm a Jeff. I know, it says, kick here. I don't know, it says nymph. No, me. No, it's, it says, it says something with an...

What does it says, doesn't that say... N-Y-M, I mean, the M and the P are in the right here. Oh, yeah, it does say something. It says sort of nymphie, nymphie, nymphie clare, A-E-U-N. She's a nymphon. Sorry, I interrupt. I think a nymphon is in the... the Word of the Rings saga, right? The Nymphons?

There are a lot of wardrobe issues we have going on here. Oh, Jesus. The wheels were never on. No, I didn't even well. Okay. What are you doing? You're on my swag pile? You've got some Christmas candles.

Oh, yeah. Dan Stevens, another New Yorker. Star of the man who invented Christmas. Lovely man. He lives here now. Yeah. Yeah. Is he on there? I believe he is.

He must be there. Very kind man, isn't he, Dan Stevens. He is, a sweetie. Do you guys, do you feel like you, there's a secret club? Do you guys know everybody in your age group, the Brits? Are you... He does. He's a scenester, this one.

Oh, piss off. He's up with the cool kids. Is there a group text with Cumberbatch and Hiddleston and all the cool kids? No, no, no, not there. See, they're the posh cool kids. Oh. And the rest of Vermont? I'm friends with Ben.

Ben's great. Benedict Cumberbatch, is a good. Yeah. Absolute. True gentleman. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you just, I mean, I met Ben. because we had the same,

we filmed in the same place in Wales for Charlotte Conduct 2. We literally filmed next door and I'd pop on to like his set and he'd pop onto mine and we go, oh no, no, no. But you sort of, you know, you bump into people, don't you? I think like you bump into people. You sort of... Well, that's the one of the beauties of New York. You both live in London, I assume? So that's a bumping into city, whether actually

literally or just people are in your sphere. Yeah. There's a density. Like, L.A. you can just be in your box and not see anybody for months at a time if you want. I'd rather live in New York than L.A. I'm with you. Claire? New York, please. Yeah. I don't have a driver's license, guys. I can't live anywhere, but here in London, basically. A lot of my friends don't have a driving license.

Really? No, Gallagher doesn't drive. Are they children? Do your friends' children? No, they don't. No, no. They're adults that just like myself are barely functioning. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're all seven-year-old. That's what we are. Did I hear this correct? Like, this is a segment.

that's really a chestnut. Okay, great. Bring it on. It's a segue that's a chestnut. It's just saying it's a wonderful segue. You're a Pride and Prejudice fan? Yes. Have you seen his work in the seminal Pride and Prejudice and Zombies?

I haven't. Look, we talked about season of The Witch. We have to talk about Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. The modern classic. Let's answer to our career defining moments, Matt. This was a highlight for me. You played what's space as a... Pars and Collins.

I can't believe you. You are a non-supported friend. I can't believe. Have you seen breath? No, I haven't seen him. So there we go. I keep trying to see Breeze. Oh, do you?

Yes, I do actually. You keep trying to be really hard. What's happening? Do you not know how to watch a movie? No. You know, yeah, no, I do. He's a busy guy. Breathe is coming.

I've watched you in the crown. You're marvelous. I was there. We haven't seen season two yet. Have you seen every episode of Doctor Who that he was in? I've got to say no. It's not something that I know. I would necessarily watch.

Measuring her words very careful. Listen, I was exactly the same. I'd never seen an episode before I did it. I, look. Did you tell people that? I told them in the audition. They said, what's your favorite episode? I told peers, peers asked me, our friend,

and I said, look, Doctor Who is on at seven o'clock, on a Saturday. It's about Gorgon. At which time I'm in the pub. And they were like, and so, yeah. And I have been since I was three. Yeah. It was raised right. Born in a bar.

It is funny how stuff like that can, like, I mean, you see my walls. I should, A, I should have watched every episode of Game of Thrones and every episode of Doctor Who. I'll admit, I haven't watched either. And Dr. Hu's just, like, evaded me partially because of just the sheer volume. And I just feel overwhelmed by that. It is quite, I'm biased, though, but it is good. Doctor Who is good. Not all of it's good.

Like, you know, the app pluses and minuses, obviously. The ones before you and after you are. They're adequate. They're doing their best, aren't they, man. I'm mean. But it is, you know, it's a good... And I've got to say, I like Game of Thrones. I love it.

I'm sure I would love it. I just haven't buckled down and actually... You're a moody guy, though? I'm a movie guy, but I grew up watching way too much television. There's only so many hours in the day. Is it the fantasy element of it that doesn't attract you? Oh, no, I am a total geek. Like, no, let's be clear.

Because there's dragons and stuff in it. I love any dragon movie. I mean, I would be all in. Yeah. It's just a matter of time. Did you guys have, like, loves of that genre stuff growing up? Were you into that at all? Fantasy stuff?

Okay, I've got a question for you. Please. I think I've posed this to you. My friend, I'm kind of, it's kind of the same, but not. My friend, we had a debate the other day. He reckons the best trilogy since Back to the Future is Planet of the Apes. The new ones. I think that's a...

You can make an argument. You can make an argument. You can make an argument. I mean, you know, so I was trying to wrap my... Apart from the Godfather, but that was before, really, wasn't it? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Godfather's early 70s.

No. So, I mean, I said, Lord with the Rings, maybe? No. No? You can't compare Back to the Future to Lord of the Rings. Back Future's better. You're talking about, like, consistency through a trilogy that has maintained quality... One, two, three. What has been great?

I think Back to the Future is a gold standard. Yeah. I think Matrix falls apart, to be honest. Most would agree. One is great. One is great. Two and three have their pleasures, but it's not the same. Godfather, I'm a defender weirdly of...

I mean, Godfather III is obviously not in the same league, but Godfather III still is better than 80% of other movies out there. Yeah. I'm one and two or enough. I watch the last apes on the plane. It's brilliant. Brilliant. I actually think Dawn is my favorite of that trilogy, the middle one.

But, yeah, I think it's a good argument. What about Jurassic Park? Jurassic Park, but three. Three is... Three is a very... One or two, great. Here's what you... I got one.

Go on. It's actually... The problem is they made a fourth which ruins the argument, Indiana Jones. The Indiana Jones trilogy. Yeah, it's before. It's before...

It's before back to the future. No. Well, yes, it started before, but then... Yeah, but then they came in with the fourth and the fourth, you know. The fourth is the most upsetting cinematic experience in my lifetime because I literally fell asleep watching the fourth in the Indiana Jones movie, and if you had told me that I would ever fall asleep watching an Indiana Jones movie,

I would have thought you were. crazy, but... What about the twilight side? Never watched them. You weren't here at MTV back during those days. I've interviewed Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson more than any other human being, I think, on Earth.

Really? Really? Oh yeah. And they're lovely people. I mean, those films weren't made for us. No. And it made their lives, you know, untenable at one point, didn't it? They couldn't walk down the street. They're everywhere. But kudos to them.

They've come out at the other side, both of them. Yeah, doing really well. Pirates for Caribbean. I'm just throwing these out there. Well, no, it's good. I like the debate, but it's tough. What's the movie that you, what was the movie you became obsessed with as a wee lass, Claire?

What was the first movie that you committed to memory? What was the movie you obsessed over? I mean, I was a big fan of Little Mermaid of Beauty and the Beast. Disney was very significant in my life, and I watched them over and over again. But then saying that, desperately seeking Susan was possibly inappropriate. Very much inappropriate, actually. but so much of that is ingrained in my mind

about how people should dress and behave. I was wondering about this frock you're wearing today that's very 85 Madonna. But you know, there was some bit where, I can't forget the actress, but she ate some sweets that I would just like, for then years after to pretend to eat a sweet the way she ate it.

And the way that Madonna had her black, sparkly boots, I was just like, I want to be that. And she, like, worked in sort of a semi-strip club. Like everything. And the mix of the sound was amazing. I'm not nine Well my sister's five years older than me So that became quite a seminal moment

Desperity Seekin season was like huge in my life Totally And then clueless and then when I met Sally And then Frankie and Johnny This is a good list This is a good list Are you going to be seeing Have you scored tickets?

I only think of it because of Madonna I think of Bruce Springsteen who I hear you're a fan of I'm going tonight You're going tonight To Broadway I can say you have to say it Does he bruise? I saw it recently.

Okay. And it's, honestly, I'm not hyperbole. It's one of the greatest, like, theatrical things I've ever seen in my life. Do you not just want him to play the, play, play the music? He does play the music. He's a big talker, isn't he, Springsteen? He, but he is, but in a great way, he's an amazing storyteller. Like, you listen to, like, and I'm not, like, a big music person, honestly at all.

Like, I'm the guy that, like, listen to, like, John William soundtracks. Like, I'm a weirdo. But, like, if you listen to, like, I feel like it's, like, the double. like river album that's like the live album and it's like him talking in between the songs like that stuff is as like amazing and poetic as anything and that's what this show has plenty of the

great music and you're seeing it even the worst seat in the house which I'm presuming you don't have is still better than any concert ticket you'll ever have. You're so close my dad is going to just it must have been hard to get tickets well yeah I mean I tried

the normal routes and then I pretty much just sort of said to my my my New York agent I was like at this need I just can't happen and like that's like yeah

this is the time when you this is what the power of celebrity should be used for if anything is to get Bruce breaks this is what it's about food stuff

but I can't do my own behalf I can't like book a restaurant or anything but if it comes to going to the theatre I'm like please please get me a ticket please it's so ridiculous that isn't it have you do you are you put in those kind of weird

uncomfortable situations where you're like you know I really would like to go to that restaurant tonight should I like have you tried, do you drop the name? Is it I'd sort of die if I rang up and went, oh, I couldn't do that. Like, you know, I'm just phoning on behalf of Matt Smith.

Hold on, I'll just get him. Who? That was the old Donald? Yeah, no, Matt, do you want it? I just... Matt, do you? Have to talk to the people? Sorry, yeah, it's true, okay, can't come to the phone. That was the old Donald Trump move. Do you know about this, like, years ago? He would pretend to be, like, his own, like, publicist. What a, yeah.

What a guy. What a cool guy. What a cool guy. He's a great audition. Should you run a country? Yeah. From a guy. From a golf course. It's not yours, guys. Don't, I mean, it's... We're not doing very well. As is no better. That's fair.

We're not setting a gold standard of leading people. Pleat moron as well. I mean, it's just all a big spiral of piss. Let's talk about something happier. Yeah. It's a big spiral of pin. Jesus Christ. Who's closer to Ryan Gosling at this point? You've been...

I don't know whether I am. You've been directed by a match. You've been directed by it for months on end. A wonderful man, smells amazing, is just enchanting. Yeah, he is enchanting. He is. And he's a group, you know, he's got a good rhythm. You've started shooting your Damien Shizomen.

I've got a few days left, yeah. You're almost done. How do we define the uniqueness that is the Gosling? Do you call him the Gosling? What do you call him? I call him Ryan. Rai, Rai. I'm very professional.

Other people call him Rai. I'm not there yet. No. I'm not confident enough with it. I don't have enough dominion over the English language to be able to do that so I will call him Ryan I have not called him Mr. Gosling

I call him Neil quite a lot but um... Oh really? Is he Neil on set? No, just for fun. Does he wear the astronaut thing just for shits and giggles? No, he's going to have to wear that a lot though they're a pain in the last day suits They just look absolutely...

So you have experience? Have you played an astronaut? I have played many an astronaut What? Doctor Who guys, Doctor Who? You're talking to the two most ignorant people about it after who said. You've been an astronaut and Doctor Who? Is he an astronaut? He's a time traveller.

He goes to space all the time. He goes to space. He goes to the police phone box. I need to watch this show. This is like, come on. I remember one. I remember a Christmas show and there was a giant fish. There was a giant shark that could swim through the air. When people sang.

Okay. This is the point. When Catherine Jenkins sang a Christmas song and all the fish came down and the giant shark and then I got it on a sleigh, and I rode it around and delivered presents on a giant sock that... See, see, see, come on. Now, how did you... How, how...

I mean, that... I can't put those two... I mean, that's making sense to me. But you also were... This is your podcast, it's explaining every episode of Doctor Who, just... And why those decisions were made. And just, you, I'd love you and Dr. Hook going, guys, I'm not... Timeout, this is the logic...

I am the logic to me. Literally, oh my God. How would this even work, guys? Like, down to the point where she'll go, um, guys, these napkins are just, don't feel period enough. I'm like this. I'm going, oh, fuck, she's gone with the napkins. Just hold up filming for another 45 minutes.

It's a secret code among cast Claire's doing the napkin thing again. I don't believe it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Then we're all screwed. Do you, what we're talking about, I don't know. Did you guys, uh, was there a big fun rap party? Is this the end? Do we consider this the end?

I've got to say that the rap party was not as marvellous as I would hope because we had to go to the TV BAFTAs the next day in... We couldn't really cut loose in the way of one or two. And then we went to the BAFTAs, we're nominated for 10 and didn't win one. So...

So it was a real kind of like, well done, you've finished, you're never going to work again, bye. Congratulations on being good enough. Yeah, yeah. But we're not going to have, that's it now. This is it, Matt. No, but you will have...

Next round of award season, actually let's be honest I don't want to jinx it but I've seen five episodes it's good again yeah but that's like now it's now like the award's fingers now no but they have to nominate for the for the what the one under the next Emmys and all that stuff and oh the Emmys oh yeah was the Emmys not of the next time I see Matt Smith probably that's a shame yeah you're gonna delete her her phone number as soon as this is done we could stay friends really want to stay friends what would you do for fun just outside of work what would a Claire at a friendship date, it would be like.

What's the activity? Simply don't. Look at it. It's a total distaste. I don't know. You call her up, hey, Claire, let's. No, we'd drink. We'd go and drink or have lunch and then...

Maybe eat some food. We'd eat some food. I'm quite intrigued by this foot salt bath that you were talking about. And that's not something we can do together, Matt. It's sort of a lone experience. Not the way he does it. Will you go for a manicure and pedicry? Absolutely not. Boring, but...

Boring, that's the issue. A nice massage. We... We... We basically had that in Africa, didn't we? You walked in, I walked out. It was, you know, one in one out. Oh, it was. Yeah, but it wasn't... We didn't do it on the table. Oh, no. Turn over and go, ah! You're here. What should we talk about?

Oh, that was freaking out. They do those ones where they cover each other in mud, couples. Oh, there you go. We do it together. And then it rains from the sea. feeling like a shirt. That would be very sweet. It would be hilarious.

Are you enjoying it, Matt? Is that all right? Is that pace all right? Oh my God. You wouldn't do that. Hence why we'll probably, I'll never see him again. He's the most disorganised, and I'm going to bring this up now so that it's... Yeah, put it on the record.

He's the most disorganised, ridiculous person in the whole world, so I'll never actually get... Organisation scares the... I won't ever get a chance to see him again. That's it. That's not true. How does this manifest? Unless I turn up its front door. You are my best friend. Matt has a reputation.

He just flushes out the current friends for the new cast. Like, okay, next. Do you know what, that's not true. It's a very hard list to get on. Claire has made the top three best girlfriends. Karen Gillen's one of the others. But you see them too because you have to go and do other Doctor Who things. We're not going to go to conventions.

But you two live in the same city, Karen. here, it's tougher, so you could vault over Karen on the list, congratulations. Yeah, okay. By proximity. Oh, no. No, no. Well, he's already hemming and hoeing. Never mind. You're top five, you're not top three. Really? Yeah, I'm going to make it happen with Ryan.

We're going to become best friends. Who are your best male friends, apart from Josh? On our second meeting. Kurt Russell. Oh, no. I'm sorry. I see Tapp, they're going to take you away in a second. I don't want to do anything else. Now, this is, let's just, come on. There's got to be, who's your real best male friend?

I've got to be at least top five now. Oh, no. I don't like to put my friends in brackets of tops. You're there. Let's talk about happier things. I want to be cruel to you now. So moving on, the press tour is going to end. You're going to cry.

You're never going to talk to each other again. You have wonderful upcoming exciting projects. I'm sure I'm very excited. You're probably in the back of your head thinking about the girl. With a face. dragon tattoos etc and the spiders web I'm very excited

and I just have Blade Runner that your co-star in this one's going to be Sylvia Hooks right Sylvia Hoox Who did she play M-Vaybara She's love She's like the like She's good

The T-1000 kind of thing Like right So what do you need to get How do you need to get your shit In order to be ready for that Like what's the prep What's the thing you need to get done I need to read every single book

Cover to cover How many are there Sort the accent out Sort my body out, sort out what I'm going to do in my acting and then attempt to get on set on the first day and not have a meltdown. And learn to ride a motorbike? I mean, I sort of feel like at this juncture,

that's quite far down the list because there's a lot to do before that. And, yeah, I mean, my main objective of doing the whole film is that it's not like I don't just do the signposts of the character. She rides a motorbike, she has a Mohawk, she has a sweet accent, and actually she's a fully fledged person and those things are just sort of... The accoutrements.

Hopefully, fingers crossed. But, you know, to be honest, the entire cast is pretty much, apart from me, I don't know what they're thinking, are people, you know, of Scandinavian origin. So, you know, I'm the weak link. You need to, that incentivises you, you can't stick out like a sore thumb.

You need to bring your... Well, it just brings an authenticity to it, I think, that is something that I think that would be really interesting for the film, that it's not just an iconic part, you know, it's not just, you know, that's why the James Bond's just so well when they came back was because they weren't just elude inappropriate jokes and people driving around in fast cars. Right.

You know, there was that scene where Daniel Craig had his been smashed. I won't forget that soon, yeah. Which was like, I remember watching that scene just being like, what is going on? What? In Casino Royale? He's tortured, yeah, yeah. For like 15 minutes. He's like naked in the chair thing, you know?

Good movie, isn't it? It's absolutely a perfect example of how to re-eater. ignite something like that. Second one wasn't as good. Third one was really good. I see a massive waving behind you, so I need to let you guys go. No, don't.

I've tried before. It doesn't work. I think Matt earned his stripes as a future podcaster. Congratulations on your future podcast. She's your, you're reluctant, but I well, you know, I'll come back. I think Matt's still sulking about not making your top five friends list. I really am talking about that.

I was in the top five. I mean, I was expecting top three, to be honest. guys let's not let this be the end let's keep this going a real pleasure to get to know both of you more today and this was a really stupid waste of time but everybody should watch

the crown which we can't talk about it all yeah yeah yeah thank God and so ends another edition of happy sad confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcast. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't

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