Happy Sad Confused - Daisy Ridley, Vol. III

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

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I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy, Sad, Confused. She's the first voice you hear on every single episode of Happy Sad Confused. So, of course, she is always welcome. She's a Jedi by day, an indie, queen by night, or maybe it's the reverse. It's Daisy Ridley back where she belongs. I'm happy, sick, confused. It's good to see you, buddy. Good to see it. We're just saying it's been a long time. At least in person. Yes. So we're going to talk about a great many things. Your new film, sometimes they think about dying. Yes. I was saying, like, look, it's either

feast or famine from you. You're either doing the ginormous $300 million movie or these beautiful, personal, small indie films. So we're going to shine a light on this great piece of work today. but I just want to kind of catch up generally first. So let's see. Since you've been on the podcast, which was, I think, 2019, you have made a slew of very diverse small projects. Yes. You have gotten married.

Yes. And you have left Star Wars and come back to Star Wars, basically. Kind of. Kind of. Kind of. Yeah, I wasn't like, I'm leaving. No, no, I didn't mean that way. I'm coming back.

I guess my point is, the more things change, the more they stay the same, is the lesson? Yes. Yes, to all of those things. All of those things are true. And I have made many things in the past few years. Three of which are coming out this year, I think. So was that a function of like, you know, we've all been in this kind of weird gray zone the last few years where you were like, I need to, as soon as I'm able, as soon as the industry allows, I'm going crazy, I need to make stuff. or is a function of coming out of Star Wars and being like, I need to prove what else I can do? Like, where has your head been at? That all sounds like it would have been something that would have crossed my mind.

If you were actually thinking about that. Yeah, but it really was, things happened and they happened at the time they happened in. Because after the last Star Wars came out, I didn't work for a year and a half, was it? I think it might have been a year and a half, yeah. And then, because the Marsh King's daughter kept pushing, And then it just so happened that sometimes I think about dying slotted perfectly after the Marsh King's daughter. So I made those two films in like a matter of a few months. And then...

Well, I guess also that's the beauty of doing these smaller films. They're short shoots. You can actually... You're like, oh my God. Look what I did this year. Yeah. And then I did Young Woman in the Sea. Am I going to have a...

No, yes, yes, yes. And then I did Magpie at the beginning of last year. And then I just finished a film called Cleaner with the great Martin Campbell. Great. I mean, one of the best James Bond directors. I mean, hello, Mask of Zora. I was actually watching his stuff as I was filming. And I kept coming in, be like, oh, my God, Martin.

You really know what you're doing. So in that kind of Martin-Campbell genre, that one, will come to all the upcoming stuff. But he knows action suspense very well. I would say the classic Martin, action suspense, humor. Because honestly, we're watching his films, I'm like, they all have a great sense of humor. Yeah.

Yes, it's violent. Like, yeah, super violent. And actually, like, before I started all the fighting stuff, I was trying to watch other films with action between women. And they are more difficult to come by. Yeah. But also, I think it's unusual to see a woman beaten up in this way. It was, yeah, it was super intense. Fun.

Yes. But it's like, and like we did not take it easy on the bruising and everything. And you know physicality already. So for you to say that means something. Oh, yeah. I was more beaten up after this one than. swimming the channel, fighting the Dark Forces of the Galaxy. Yeah, it was really intense.

And making Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we did last catch up, it was over Zoom, it was for my Comedy Central show. There was a fun little moment. We connected you with Matilda herself. Oh my gosh. Have you kept up your relationship with Mara Wilson or was that a one and done? We haven't kept our relationship, but what you're going to love, spoiler, is the little girl in the film I made is called Matilda.

as a tribute to them. Love it. And we also, a little for anyone come on a duck to me as an ode to all of that. Of course. But no, I haven't heard from.

She was like, I've spoken to once, that's enough. She left. She left. So like over the years, because I saw your brain melt, like in real time on that Zoom. Yeah. What's on that Mount Rushmore of like people

that would have that similar effect on you, now that we've knocked Mara off the Judy Dench. Well, these are people that it's happened with. You've worked with Judy. Judy Dench. Yeah. I sat down in the chair next to her and was like, hello, Jenny. Like felt sick, felt lightheaded. Like, and sort of, she and I invited everyone into her trailer. And it's weird when I'm saying it, it doesn't feel real that it happened. It's like a strange, like, was it real? And, like, I was on her trailer and I was like, I'm like, Judy Dench's trailer.

Like, this is so crazy. But that still sort of doesn't go. And then I actually, She saw her in a hotel and, like, reintroduced myself. And she was like, I know. Like we worked together, hello. And then Meryl Streep. Yeah. That was like a... Is that an award show kind of thing?

Or was like a party? Yeah, I'd gone to the BAFTAs to honor Kathy, Kennedy, and I was there with my amazing agent Hilda. And she was like, oh, come and meet Merrill. And I was like, honestly, like, she doesn't want to make... Like, she's good. She's good. And so we sort of had a hello, and I was, yeah,

a bit like brain-melty. Who else? When I say it, Barbara Streisand. Right. Well, you've sung with Ms. Streisand. Yeah. That was just a crazy sentence to utter. Crazy. I mean, a lot of people I have sort of brain-meltie, and then, like, I sort of put it to one side, and then after the fact, I'm like, because I was obsessed with a TV show called Trace Speaker. Okay.

As a child. And Trace Beaker's mom in that show, I just worked with in the Martin Campbell film. And I was like, I can't believe I'm meeting Trace Beaker's mom. Yeah. But I didn't say anything. And then after she had gone, my makeup artist was like, you. did you tell you love Tray speaking? And I was like, no, because I sort of don't want to embarrass them.

But I think, like, once it starts, like, it gets embarrassing for me and for them. So usually I sort of keep it together. That's the smart tactic. I think, I mean, I experienced the same thing with all the people I talk to, right? It's like you always have that second. No, but I mean, for, like, I think a key is to have that second sight. Like, I'm always very aware, like, oh, I am with Quentin Tarantino. I am with, you know, like, Harrison Ford, you know, whatever.

And it's like, you have that in your brain, but you have to compartmentalize it to do my job. to do your job or else it's going to be a lot of just like slobering and awkwardness. Well I also saw Harrison at the Indiana Jones premiere and again I felt like

it's really weird like I felt like why would he remember me even though like we did honestly like we did a whole film together but I was like hey Harrison not sure if you remember me and then was like tongue literally said that

yeah and then was like tongue tied so I said how are you really like shrinking which by the way was totally true but I was talking to him like I had never met the guy before. But I just go, when I'm uncomfortable, I go like, quiet, quiet and a bit like can't make eye contact. It's so annoying. So I did the math. It's been about 10 years since life

changed, essentially. You were cast in Star Wars, I think a couple months from now 10 year anniversary, essentially. Yeah, yeah, because I turned 21 on the job and I'm 31, yeah. So let's do a little self-assessment. Oh, my God. Okay. I would assess. it has a very excellent decade filled with diverse material and growth. Yeah. Challenges. Yeah. Are you rough on yourself or do you see like, oh, I've done good with the opportunities that I've been given? I think I've done good with the opportunities I've been given. I work really hard. I turn up on time. I do all of that stuff to like honor the position, I guess. But it's interesting because like when I'm working, so loving my life. And then

when I come to talk about the work, it is, I'm like probably rougher on myself then, because then obviously all the insecurities kick in and it's like, oh, but I'm really most happy on a film set, yeah, I would say. Which is why, again, to our earlier point, you've made 18 movies in the last year. Yeah, exactly, and they're all coming out. Okay, so let's get into it. Sometimes I think about dying. This is a lovely film.

This is like, it's a real, like, I'm going to sound like an old person talking like a young person. It's a mood. It feels like something very, it's almost hard to describe how this movie feels, like it recalled for me in some ways, like, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. This was a Sundance film last year. It's getting. It's due now. People should check it out. You play Fran, who has not that much to actually say, at least at the beginning, but has a hell

of an introductory line that really defines who she is. What's Fran's intro line? I'm Fran and I like cottage cheese. And apparently cottage cheese is really having a moment. Is it? I didn't know this. Yeah, I've never actually eaten coach, choose my life. Oh, skip it.

It's a horrible thing. Yeah. Yes. So when you read that, when you read the script and that actually comes like probably 15 pages into the script, I would imagine. You're like, before you see a line. Yeah. How does that strike you? How does that define the character for you?

So originally the script had a lot of voiceover, like throughout the whole thing. Right. And early on, in my dialect preparation, we were going through it. And obviously, I was treating that as part of my dialect. preparation and I spoke to Rachel who is the director of this film and I was like how would you feel if I treated that like stage directions right and like you know we just saw how and I was not saying I can do it all without needing the voice over but I was like it's an interesting thing to sort of have that so actually for me because I learned all of the

voice over like it was dialogue I had a very busy mind yeah it gives you something to play yeah so I'm like playing the thing the whole way through yeah um So it was strange because I didn't think of it as such a quiet job. Right. And in your mind, her mind is racing the entire time. All the time. And I always have like a thing. So like there's a line, I tell a joke.

And Robert, the new guy says, you're funny. And the voice, everything is, I am funny. So it's like I always had something that felt like a conversation. So it didn't feel, yeah, it didn't feel like different preparation in that way. but what has been interesting is because I am quiet for a lot of it the response is quite different from people like it's very subjective and very like oh did something like terrible happen in her life and I'm like no no is she this is she depressed I'm like no yeah I think it's just habitual silence really

of not being able to connect yes so to set this up a little bit Fran works in an office a very kind of banal existence, an introverts, someone that does have trouble connecting. I mean, is she a sad character too? Or you find her inner life actually is... I find her inner life fun. And it's interesting because I think playing her, the title and the tone, I think, would lead you to feel

like it's a sort of melancholic film, but I have never thought it is that. And there are moments of melancholy, of course. But for the most part, she... doesn't want, she can't connect all the time, but also sometimes she doesn't want to connect. She's like, and some of the stuff is like sort of obnoxious. Like she feels like she's above these people. So it was like quite fun to play that. But also she loves her job and she loves her life. So it's, there's sort of a mundanity to what she's doing, but she

enjoys that. And there's a routine and a way that she does things that she enjoys, which is lovely to play, because she's not down about her own life. It only gets to a point where she really wants to connect and she's struggling to do it and she has to like get over that hurdle which then leads to agonizing self doubt but she does get over it and I've always found like the ending to be very hopeful sure so I would not say it's a sad film no do you could no it's a darkly funny film as you said yeah I mean is it do you connect on any level of social anxiety yes not like to that extent sure but it's weird I was just from remembering, like, the first time I went to a dinner after lockdown, I literally got home and cried for like an hour.

I was like, I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what to do. I felt really exposed. I felt like I had nothing to talk about. And that was also a time of like I'd been working so much. So that's like the conversation. People are like, what are you working on, what you're doing? Right. And then you're like, well, my life is very happy, but it's not this like big bells and whistles things all the time. So it's also feeling like other people are projecting maybe onto like, what is it you've been up to? And it's like, not much. No, that's the worst. And I'm big to two, and we all are.

It's like, especially in this industry, it's like, it's the conversation starter. So what are you up to? What are you working on? And people don't mean it badly. No, but it's just like in absence of anything else to say. It's kind of like, I'm defining you by the work that is coming. And I get like very used to, like, me and my husband spend an awful lot of time together. great comfortable great

and then I'll like go and see one person for an hour and be like why was that so hard how do I do with my hands yeah hello hi human being yeah so I do see

I do see that and I see the thing of getting home and other people not even judging you I'm sure but getting home and thinking like what did I do like and also I have had the thing of strangely enough this concerns Gwendolyn Christie I was walking past her when we

we were promoting something years ago and her partner. And I was like, oh, wait, oh, and they invited me to sit down and have a drink. No, no, I'm good, I'm going, I'm going. And they were like, calm down and sit. We've asked you to sit down. But I remember thinking, why would you want me to be here? So that is something, I'm much better at that now, but that is something I do battle with, yeah. No, again, I really relate to everything you're saying, because you want to kind of like almost like reflexively.

You'll be like, I don't want to overstay my welcome. I don't want to, like, I'm always the one that, like, gets out of the conversation at the party early. Exactly. I never want to feel like I have overstayed. Yeah. And people go, I'm like, no, please. I had that. I'm not going to name the person.

Oh, my God. I was an Oscar-winning actor I was at a party with, and it happened, and he basically was like, well, I'm going to go now. I had that with someone I won't mention, actor, went to a male female. and we were at a party and they said I just have to go over here to do something and walked over and started texting I was like

I wasn't enjoying the conversation that much either I remember that like that was shameful and I was really trying to get some good caucus in there too I was like wow I'm failing charming apparently not I know you bartended in your past life ever have an office job like this

I covered maternity at a doctor's surgery for like three weeks, which apparently doesn't count. And I did filing for like a few days and then I got sick, so I didn't do that anymore. Are you good with, like, what's your email inbox look like? Do you have like three million unread messages? No, I'm not that person. I'm not that person. I'm like an immediate responder. I can't bear it. Like, if I have, like, my personal trainer is waiting for someone to pay him from a year ago, that fills me with dread. Like, I am there on time. I respond on time. I pay on time.

Nothing is unread. No. Yeah. This is a different, like, this is, it's not an, I wouldn't say an argument between my wife and I, but it's a different philosophy. I look at her desktop. It has three million open files and like a thousand unread emails. And I'm like, how do you live?

Oh yeah. My mom's like that. I'm like, oh my God, can you open the thing? Like, what if it's important? Right. Yeah. Are you good with, obviously, you have people in your life. You have your husband.

I think you have a dog still? My mom has a dog. Okay. We bought my mom a dog. yeah during lockdown so like three and a half years ago I guess my point is not a lot of alone time necessarily

do you value alone time or are you good with being like yourself? No I'm really bad at loan time I always know that I need it and I honestly really had it on the last job I was on because I was filming just outside of London so I was in a hotel so tired

and then would have an hour so I'd go to the gym and go to bed and that was fine and then my husband's doing the new Inia da Costa movie header I was like, Tesla Thompson was so cool. And so he was off rehearsing. And so I had a few days at home and I was like, and like I would do, I'm not joking, 10 errands in a morning

and be like, what now? Feast or Famine. It's like I'm either with a thousand people thinking I need some time or I'm alone thinking, what do I do? Are you looking for a movie review show where the critic is at the top of his or her game, meticulously breaking down and explaining exactly why a film does or does not work?

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From our past conversations, you know, you're a big reader. I am a big reader. That must feel. Yeah, annoyingly, I finished my book on the plane yesterday, in between watching two movies. It was so good, but I was like, there's no way I'm going to finish this book on this trip, so I didn't bring another one. So then I was finish it, and I was like, what do I do? So I'm finishing the crown.

And that was comfort to me in my hotel room. What were the movies you watched? I watched Dumb Money. Oh my God, what was the second one I watched? It's something I'd be waiting to watch Frayers. That's okay. This is a thing about planes. You always forget.

Enjoyed Dumb Money. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. I felt like I learned something, too. As I alluded to, this is a smaller film, like a 21-day shoot, right? You've done ginormous productions. For you, at this point, having gone back and forth, is acting acting? Does it matter once you get on set?

No. No. It's about a mood on set. It's about how your set is being facilitated, how your space is being respected, I guess. So for me, acting is acting, yeah. It's just, I literally just want to, like, do scenes with great people. Right. In whatever way, which way?

Do you find yourself, like, at a certain, is it always, like, the grass is always greener after you've done one, you're like, oh, I'd like to do a different, not even, like, genre-wise, but just, like, scale-wise. Or, again, does it not matter? Scale-wise, no. No, genre-wise, yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm definitely like, I want to do all of the things. Yeah. But scale-wise, no.

Like, this was the first movie I made that was super tiny. But for me, I was just like, I didn't have a trailer. Don't care. And I drove myself into work because I was working in America, and that's what happens. And that was, like, sort of fun. Because I'd, like, go and get my coffee. There's literally, there's like a, what do you call it? Like, a little thing in a car park.

Right. Like, where you get coffee. But it's like a little shack. Okay, yeah, sure. In Astoria, Oregon. And what's so funny is my trainer's other client went to that coffee thing and they were like, they were filming something here a little while ago.

So I found that all to be like a real novelty. I can take care of myself. Yeah. And then honestly, the amazing thing was, with sometimes I think about dying, I was very let into the budgeting of it all. And because of that, I knew that I could do magpie for what we had.

Right. So that was like a great thing to think we had. I had 20, we finished, on sometimes I think about dying, we finished early every single day. And my word that I most use with Rachel is intentional. Like, the shots were intentional, the coverage was intentional. Let's not get on set and figure it out. No, there wasn't like loads of coverage to the point that I was like, oh, are we okay.

She just knew what she wanted. And we all had space to try and play and all the good things. So when it came to doing magpie, there was a feeling of, are you sure you can do this in the time? because it was a 20, one or a 23-dayer, again. And I was like, absolutely. Yeah. Like, absolutely. And I think you sort of need the person that's had that to, like, go, of course we can do it.

And these two films you're an EP on, correct? Oh, no, I'm producer on both. Yeah. Having done Magpie, I'm like, I definitely was like a real producer on MacPy. Yeah. But sometimes I think about dying, I was consulted on all the things. But it was a very easy producing gig. Because I was like, looks great.

They seemed great. Carry on. And then it was great. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Did you clock when Barbie's trailer hit and the big line was, do you guys ever think about dying? I never clocked that until two weeks ago.

How strange is that? Something in the air. There was something in the air, yeah. Yeah, but weirdly, I watched the film fan of the film, all this stuff. And literally someone two weeks ago said, oh, yeah, the line in Barbie. And I said, oh, what line in Barbie? Do you guys ever think about dying? And I think about dying an awful line.

Stealth marketing for your film. Do you, do, has that always been the case in your life? What I've, and you can tell me if you and your wife have this, what I've come to understand in the people that I know in couples, one will think about it an awful lot, and the other one will say, do not talk to me about this, I don't want to talk about it. But there's a difference in not talking about it.

I don't talk about it, but I think about it. Yeah, I definitely do not want to talk about it. No, it's like the panic. And actually got to the episode in The Crown where they're planning, her funeral and she's looking at her own thing and I was like yeah the panic of that um so I do think about it quite a lot like I think I'm that pay that I'm like who would I say it's not allowed to mourn me to my own funeral touchwood doesn't happen to time soon uh yeah I think about it yeah can I can I come am I on the list oh thank you okay oh my god you're the first invitee um let's talk

about magpie I'm very excited about this we were talking before we started rolling another new festival that's going to be knocked off the list for you, South by Southwest, which is a great one. You have a blast. You've produced it. So Tom wrote this one? Yes. Husband wrote it.

It was my idea. Husband wrote it. We made it. I star in it. I have like all the jobs. And here we are. You're his muse, although the idea initiated with you, it sounds like, you said. Yeah.

And actually the story, I mean, it's like based on an original idea. Like Tom made the idea a lot better. The original idea was from the actress's point of view, so that overall conceit is that my character's little girl gets cast in a movie, and my husband is chaperoning her to the set, and he falls in love with the actress playing the mum. And the initial thing was like the mum infiltrating the family.

And actually Tom did that in a much better direction, which is what is happening to the person at home who's like, what's going on? And it came because when I was doing the Marsh King's daughter, the little girl that played my daughter, my gosh, she's so amazing. Her mom was at home with the new baby. There were three kids, and her dad was there with her.

And I thought, and her mom was great, like we spoke on the phone and everything, and I thought, but this is so crazy. Like, this is a five-year-old calling me mom at work. And it was more thinking, like, can she as a child, like, understand, like, and she could, look, so smart, but can she understand, like, this is make believe and, but then I felt so protective

and loving of her. So that was sort of the root of it all. And genre-wise, though, takes on aspects of a thriller a little bit. Genre-wise, it's sort of noir with thriller aspects. And it sounds so like your work is now very intertwined with your husbands. And was there any trepidation about that? Or has it felt like a natural, it's okay not to have that boundary even at home to like talk

work at home? What was funny is I think it was more worrisome for other people. Like my agent said to me last week, she goes, we were so worried. We were so worried. Because I obviously sent them the script and I was like, you know, how do you feel about this? I think there was an interpretation of like, oh my God, because if it's not good, that's very uncomfortable. But we really had a great time and our tastes are very aligned. So there was never sort of swaying from that.

And even when our director was cutting with our editor, both amazing, we were literally doing a road trip around Ireland. And I was like, oh, I've had this thought about the opening and he was like, oh, I had the same thing. So we always had that. So the film that we've made is very much the film we set out to do. So that's great. But then I've spoken to other actors who work with their partners and they're like, it's terrible, don't ever do it. Luckily it was good for us.

So you did the road trip around Ireland? Did you stop at Skellig, Michael, for all times' sake? Didn't stop at Skellig, but did stop in Dingle, which is where we had filmed. And that was quite delightful. There are all sorts of like signs and stuff in it. I was going to say, it must be in every storefront. Yeah, but I also feel like Ireland truly is one of the best places on this earth.

Like Irish people generally, so nice. Yeah. So great. Stayed in one hotel that I think I was supposed to when we were filming. Just delightful. And it was, the sun was shining, which is how it was when we filmed there, which all the Irish people were like, can't believe the sun's so shiny, shiny. It's a miracle.

It happens. It's weird, too, once every millennia. Okay. Let's talk a little Star Wars. Yeah. Before we look ahead, which I know we can't say much anyway, because there's not much to say. But we never really had a little post-mortem on Rise of Skywalker.

So if you'll indulge me, I feel like we could have this conversation after each one of those three films. Delisive, to say the least. You were feeling very confident. Everybody felt very calm. JJ was confident. Were you surprised by how divisive it was the reception to it? Were in your heart of hearts? Was I surprised?

I think it's still upsetting because. you don't want people to feel like you've, like, not served the thing that they're a fan of. But Ryan's one was so divisive. You think? So, yeah, so it really felt like the first one was fairly, everyone was, like, responsive in a similar way. This works, thank God. How did it happen? A miracle.

And then Ryan's one super divisive, and then the last one super divisive. Yeah, it was still, yeah. Well, it probably makes it bittersweet because like you're saying goodbye to this amazing period of your life. But it didn't change how I felt about it. Right. You had the experience. You love these people. And what was strange is literally before I had breakfast with Kathy last year, I had already been on set because we were making magpie right after Sundance. And I had like five people come up to me and go, are they going to do any more with you? Like, and it was really strange.

Like in the sort of six to eight months before that, the way. with which I was being greeted by people's response to it was quite different than it had been and I think just time had passed and it didn't feel so the media yeah yeah and so that was

what was really strange because people were like talk to me about I was like no I don't think so I don't think so now and then it happened the one specific thing I wanted to ask about for the Rise of Skywalker where were you at on the

on the kiss moment were you like this is going to work or are we really doing this? Well we did one without Yeah. Where was I with it? And do you remember where Adam was? Was everybody in sync?

Like, okay, or we're just going to try this. If it works in the edit, great. Adam had to, like, rap and literally got up from that scene, which was like so emotional and everything. It was like, bye, guys. I'm going to New York. So that was... Yeah, he literally kissed you off.

Yeah. He was like, see you later. I felt like we all, it felt earned. And what was interesting, again I think it's like intentionality my feeling in that moment was it was a goodbye yeah so that felt earned because I mean you could call a kiss a thousand things but I felt like it was a goodbye and that whole scene felt so emotional and I felt like I was saying goodbye to the job and and then actually we had to pick up something that was missed so on my very very very very

very like in fact no one knows us on my very very very last day and we were doing various pickups and stuff. I had to literally sit and look and the camera was like coming away from me and I guess I was looking at him and I, JJ was like, you good? Literally

immediately started like crying my eyes out because it really felt like goodbye. Yeah. And then I did such an embarrassing rap speech. I mean someone's recorded it someone like just so embarrassing and self-intelligent. Just unintelligible or was it like crying?

And you had the most amazing time. And by the way, I was like, don't give me the mic, JJ. Like, don't give me the mic. But I was like, thank you all. Like, crazy crying. Honestly, crazy. Like, you probably couldn't hear anything I said. But, oh, God, it was so emotional.

Yeah. So, okay, I feel like everybody, maybe you and your heart of hearts, or maybe not, thought at some point you'll come back. Like, at some, maybe 10, 15 years. Yeah. So that was my thought. The surprise was the timeline.

Yeah. Like, we're doing this, we're doing this now. I thought, yeah, maybe, like, in a little while, I don't know. Pop in, say hi. Pop in, say hi. Pop out again. So the timeline was, yeah, was the surprise to me. Were you following the rumors? Like, there was, I mean, we now know there was, like, which would have been fascinating.

I mean, I like to see my buddy Daisy in there, but Helen Mirren apparently as an older Ray was a different. Helen Mirren? Did you hear about this? No. I'm telling you for the first time. Yeah. So there was an iteration they were going to do Ray years later. and Helen Mirren was going to play.

Helen Mirren? I heard the rumor about the older, but I didn't know as Helen. Yeah. Go on Helen. Queen, yes. I'm going to share the role with somebody. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I'll take a dame.

So you weren't, you were plugged into a degree, but you were kind of living in life. No, no, no, as in I had heard bits and bulbs, but it seemed so. And also because, you know, I've always, everyone's honest. So, like, I mean, I went to breakfast with Kathy, and honestly, I was just like, yeah,

I think it's just breakfast. And then she came right out and said it. And I did think about it. I was like, I'm not sure because it feels soon to me. And yeah, I've been doing much different things. And I was like, how does this like fit? Like even, as you've said, doing these like 21 day shoots and it's like a long time and all that sort of stuff like in a very sort of like logistical way. And then I went away and I went to my mom's house.

And she was like, and also this was one day off from MacBuy. So then I went back in the next day. I was like, what's going on? And I felt honestly like that was... It's like giant life decision you have to make it now. I felt like I was 20 again. Like all of those feelings came back of, oh my God, I went and saw and spoke to my mom about it. And then my husband was filming based on a true story in America.

So he called when he was first up and I was like, okay, there's something I have to tell you. I know you've just woken up and he went, fuck. So there was like a day of sort of thinking. Existential crisis. but this is a good problem to have I mean it's a good problem to have I'm like I feel really like and it probably sounds like

fake but it's not I feel really lucky like the stuff that I'm doing I felt is interesting and I've worked with such different filmmakers and a job is a job as a job so like if I love the script and I love the story it's going to be great and it will probably be different people I imagine

I don't know if it's the same or different like crew wise you mean cast wise like yeah so you have no idea if like your friends are giving them back yeah um so it's like all a sort of adventure um so yeah it's good it's a good thing and it's also like I was always like thrilled to be part of it even when it's defisive and even when

even with the social media horrible stuff all the stuff you have to go through I feel like generally people are like good and like I feel like people are receptive and interested and honestly if it wasn't a story worth telling I wouldn't be doing it but I was like

it's like a fun it's a fun direction it's gonna be fascinating you're gonna be you're gonna have gone from like the new person I know the youngest on set to like the adults yeah you have to be

Mark Hamilton Harrison who like worked with JJ a lot when I told him about he was like Daisy you look the same age I was like thank you so much but yeah times past I was

I mean it's, yeah, it's going to be that is going to be strange but again it's like a different sort of Yeah And also I was like What if I can't remember how to do it Like before each job

I'm like what if I can't remember How to do this thing? What do you do with a lightsaber? Where does it go? Zim? No, you don't have to do the sound effect We know that. I do.

So yeah, it's all like this crazy old ride You know? And have you spent some time with Charmina? Yeah. Yeah, she's great. Yeah.

Her documentaries are quite different obviously to what we're going to be doing but i feel like documentarians have a very particular world view like film view and it tends to be that documentarians go into narratives in like a great way and obviously watch her episodes from miss marvel and stuff too uh she's yeah she's great and i think her ideas for what this is and then stephen script it's all going to be goodbye summer movies hello fall i'm anthony devaney and i'm his twin brother james we host raiders of the lost The Ultimate Movie Podcast, and we are ecstatic to break down late summer and early fall releases. We have Leonardo DiCaprio leading a revolution in one battle after another.

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You know kind of what it's going to be I know the drill and I think my main thing is I know how to stay healthy Which is like the last Rise of Skywalker I literally got to them and I was like I cannot believe I didn't get injured but that's also having like an amazing team around you making sure that you stay healthy so for me that's the main thing is like physical health yeah yeah because I did what did I do on the job the Martin Campbell job I was being slammed into something and I was like I've done something to my arm like it hurt to lift it so much and I had like two weeks

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Start Smart with Start Here and ABC News, because staying informed shouldn't feel overwhelming. Speaking about physicality, you referenced this, we're going to see a lot of me probably this year, vice versa. Young Woman in the Sea. Yeah, I saw all your Instagram posts, like, it seems like you were in the water for a fair bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was, I love that movie. Like, I really love that movie. I think it's, it was so sweet.

My mum is actually not a big cryer, but when I'm in things, she gets quite emotional. Although I did ask if she cried in the Marsh King's door, and I don't know if she did. I was like, rude, your tears have dried up for me. But we did, I did like a screening of young women at sea with Chauvin who coached me, Olympian from Rio, amazing. And then I had just like a few people,

and my mom was, like, weeping. It's very, I would say it's, like, very family feeling. Right. It sounds like old school kind of like, it's going to be like a rousing, emotional. It's like a feel good, yeah. And it's like, it is based on true events. A lot of it is dramatized in a way.

And it is, of course, a story of triumph over adversity. But it's also like a story about a family and, like, people that love each other. And my note when I came into it was, as someone with sisters, and I had never had a sister on screen, I was like, this is a love story between these two sisters and between me and my mother in it. Jeanette, she is fucking amazing.

Oh, my, and like everyone it is, but her sort of depiction of a mother with these two kids who are all, oh my God, amazing. So that was my thing, and I feel like this great story of this amazing woman that did this real thing. It's about family and about, I made, like in my mind, Trudy couldn't do it without her family. So it's all of that good stuff.

It's just beautiful. The score's amazing. It looks stunning. Yeah, I'm very excited for it. And you have a full plate. So we were talking magpie soon. You're going to be promoting. You're going to be shooting very soon.

We bury the dead. Yes. Which sounds like a laugh riot. A laugh. A laugh riot. In brief, that one is you are reclaiming, zombified. What is this? So, I play a woman called Ava, who has flown to Tasmania.

Sure. The US has accidentally nuked Tasmania. I hate it when that happens. I hate it when that happens. Just a slight misfire. And I'm going to try and find my husband. Okay. And I'm not allowed to go where he was when this thing happened.

So I joined the body retrieval unit because this sort of nuke situation has made some people, it's sort of a zombie thing but some people are quite docile and some have some things so it's sort of that and there's like sort of horror elements but again we all see our things how we see our things

for me it's like a meditation on grief in a way because you see what was happening with me and my husband prior to this and it's a sort of race against time of can we resolve this or is it too late got it I remember from our last I revisited our last podcast conversation and you broke my heart then

when you basically said New York's not for you. I assume nothing's changed. You're a London girl at heart. I'm a London girl. That being said, I selfishly want you to do some theater anywhere. I'll go see you do something. Well, it's funny because there might be a conversation. Yeah.

But it's so difficult schedule-wise. Yeah. I literally said no twice. I don't even, like it's so weird even saying it. I literally got the email about a play. And I said to my agent, no. And she responded, she goes, what are you talking about?

It's not even set up. It's just a play. And there is an amazing actor. It actually you may have referenced earlier. And I was like, and I was like, I said, yeah, but still, no, it actually made me feel sick to my stomach to even talk about it. And it was just because you couldn't commit that kind of.

No, no, because I'm scared. What? Yeah, no, I'm just scared. Like, it's just fear. And then eventually I was like, okay, the play is gorgeous, like about a true thing, but again, dramatized. And then I spoke to the director. And he was wonderful, and I'm a huge fan of the actor.

And so basically, if it all comes together, great. But the actual fear, like, is making my stomach go now, yeah. Well, that means you have to do it, obviously. You know that. I know. And then the director goes, isn't it more important to say that it has to be more important than the fear? And I was like, I know, I'm scared, please. So anyway, that is. You'll get there.

Yeah. On your own time. Yeah. And I feel like it's a new. Also, each job, like, I want it to be like a new challenge. Yeah. Like, emotionally, physically, all of the stuff. Yeah.

So that will be like the ultimate challenge. Excellent. Did you ever get through Game of Thrones? You had just started it five years ago. Obviously. Okay, you did. In about three seconds. I'm consumed.

Did you move into House of the Dragon or are you not there yet? I did move into House of the Dragon. Okay. Yeah. What do you, anything you're obsessed with currently on TV and film? What's the... Slow horses. Pretty great.

And I think, did I start watching it? I think you had posted, someone else had posted, and I was like, let me finally watch this. Like, I went to my mom's for dinner. My mom was talking about, her two friends were talking about, and I was like, why have I not tried this before? Yeah. And watched the first episode and was obsessed.

I know. And then got struck down with some flu or something over Christmas, and, like, watched season two in one day, season three in one day. And it's going to keep going. I think at least one or two more seasons. Gary says he wants to do it until they stop. Oh, my God, this is actually what I had to say to you. Yeah.

To me, it was almost blasphemy. that he spoke badly about Sirius Black. I know you're a big Potter fan. Yeah, a lot of people reacted that way. So he... I just was like... He said he was mediocre in Harry Potter. What are you talking about?

I would say that he is the best I think I've ever seen him in Slow Horses. Excellent. Sure. But my makeup part is that I just worked with and did Magpie. We went for a little walk, she just had a little bit. And we were both talking... Because she's obsessed with Harry Potter too. So she was like watching them as we were filming.

And I was like, genuinely, I'm fuming. Gary Oldman. Honestly. I was like, I keep some sharp. He's so, I know, it's crazy. I had some actors in the audience that are an actor I've spoken to about those comments is almost like reinforced like, oh, if Gary Oldman doubts his own abilities, I relate because that's how every actor feels. Absolutely. But like, oh my God, Sirius and Harry? Like, hello? Most important, some might say, relationship to Harry, obviously there's the, the core three. and everything, but as like an adult, parent, guardian situation. So actually, no, I wasn't feeling at him, but I was like, wow, yeah, how can you think

that that wasn't like the best thing in the world? Do we need to? I don't know where you're, with all due respect, I don't think you're the right age group to be Hermione in the reboot. How dare you? I know, yeah. You're not Maggie Smith. You're somewhere in Belatrix?

Should we, you want to be, you want in? You know what? We actually had this conversation at work. Everyone was like, if you could, who would you be? Like, everyone. And I think the bar is just set so high, honestly by all of them. And like, Belatrix is the sort of right age thing. And I was like, but how could anyone take what I don't know, come on a carter did?

It will just presumably be terrifying for whoever it is that does it. And I mean, incredible. And actually, I'm looking forward to it because we've been listening to the audiobooks. And there's like so much to play with. But the fear of taking on one of those roles, oh, my God. You've got to do Harry Potter. You've got to do stage. You've got to face your fears.

You can swim the channel. You can do anything. Fiona, who cast Young Women in the Sea, I was like, can you make me a witch? Like, please, make me a witch. I really want to do like a magicy thing, yeah. All right, let's end with the Happy Second Fuse Profanely Random Questionaire. Okay. Do you collect anything?

I guess the answer is no. Yeah, weird noises, long, groaning noises. Yeah, exactly. What's the wallpaper on your phone? Oh, I had to get a new phone because I kept getting it replaced, and I was like, oh, I just buy a new phone. So nothing currently. Do you have a favorite adult beverage?

What's your go-to drink? I'm sort of not drinking, really, but if I were to really get that heart-racing espresso at Martini. Wow, that's a lot. Yeah. A lot going into that one. It's too much a confluence of too many things for me. Last actor you were mistaken for, or actually you're most often mistaken for.

Oh. I used to get, honestly, the Kiranite thing that doesn't really happen anymore. Mm-hmm. God, I couldn't tell you. I don't know. Yeah, well, there was that period on, like, you know, and especially when Rogue One came out, and it was like every... Oh, I told you that Flissie Jones thing that happened. Like when I was leaving.

something or other and this guy goes well you sign this I was like that's not me and it was Misty Jones what about

a movie you're embarrassed to admit you've never seen do you feel like you I know you didn't grow up like a cinephile but you made up for no there were a few like

oh my god I can't even think of what it's called now because I actually did start watching it oh my god very famous second modern movie

Mark Wahlberg you said no no I did start watching it what is it called that's even embarrassing There were things like platoon, even like Armageddon and stuff that I haven't seen.

Okay. What's the worst note you've ever received from a director? Oh, I have a good one for you. Really? So Martin, who I just worked with, you'd do a few takes. And like he, you know, he says what he's thinking. So if there was a good take, he'd go, print it, even though we were on digital. We didn't do that anymore, Martin.

Okay, we got it. So he would come in occasionally and go, I don't know what it was. Just lost it. So let's go again. So I was already like that. But he wasn't wrong. Right. Then we were a little way into shooting.

And I'd only heard print it when it was good. And I had to do a scene with the guy that closed my brother, amazing actor. And Martin gave me a note. And I did the note and he going, don't print it. Sorry. He screamed across a set, don't print it. And I was like, oh my God.

Being told like don't print it. Like, do not. Like, take that away. I don't want to see that. that. I'm so sorry if I hurt anyone's ears. I don't want to see that. That was humbling. Aw. Not terrible, though. I was like, fair. Don't print it. Be honest. I guess honesty is the best policy with some tact. Yeah. In the spirit of happy, second few is an actor that always makes you happy. You see them on screen. Julia Roberts. Yeah. I mean, come on.

Is it pretty woman? Is it Notting Hill? Literally everything she's in. Yeah. Was it Leave the World Behind? Yeah, that's the reason. I loved that movie. I know that's being very divisive as well. I loved the ending. She comes on screen and I think, wow, wow. That's a movie star. That's a charisma bomb.

That's a movie star. Yeah. Movie that makes you sad always. Love actually. I do watch it probably every year and each time. What's your story line that you rank the storylines for me? I mean the Emma Thompson. Yeah.

Obviously, the Johnny Mitchell. Yeah. But also, and weirdly something I hadn't noticed until a couple years ago. watching it is when Thomas Brody Sankster calls Leonese and dad. And like I hadn't noticed it because of course he calls him by his name. Right. And then he calls him dad. Oh my God.

And then Laura Linney. Yeah. I mean, she's probably another person who I'm like, Laura Linney, wow. And when she's alone and she like covers herself up because they're like intimate and the brother's called again. Oh, stunning. Food that makes you confused.

Food that makes me confused. Yeah, not cottage cheese because you haven't eaten it. Oh, I guess foie gras. Like I wouldn't eat it anyway, but I'm like, ugh. Ethically and also. Ethically, but also like, oh, like what is that? Why are we doing that? Like text. Oh, I can't imagine.

Are you a member of the Academy? Who are you voting for? Do you have a horse in the race this year? Like an act, a performance, a film that really you're obsessed with? You were talking about before we would have loved to both seen all the strangers recognized. Oh, my God. I mean, Andrew Scott, wonderful, Claire Foy, oh my God, every time she came on screen, I was like, oh my God, this one's so good. Did you do Barbenheimer? Did you do both?

Did you both? Yeah. Yep. I'm trying to think. I haven't seen all of them. So I feel like I want to have watched all of them to give a fair assessment. Interestingly enough, I felt like the holdovers. I felt like there was a sort of kinship to sometimes I think about dying in a strange way of like a tone and a place.

Sure. Just in the beginning, I was like, oh, and my husband was like, it's really taking its time in, like, showing you this world. Devine? Amazing. I mean, yeah, a lot of great performances. And great to see Giamonte getting his due, who is always just... So great. Comodgini, wonderful, great.

Once again, we're going to have this wonderful piece of work, which needs some love because it's a small... Disney, this ain't Star Wars, guys. Support Daisy's passion projects. This is a great one. Sometimes I think about dying, which is an apt phrase that I could say in my actual life and the actual title of the film. Check it out.

Another wonderful performance. I'm so excited to see Magpie, Young Woman in the Sea, Star Wars, whatever the hell we're calling it. The new one. We have a lot to talk about. It's good to see you in person again finally. I feel like this environment actually is appropriate for sometimes I think about dying. This is where Fran would work.

Absolutely, yeah. Right? Yeah. We nailed it. Yeah. The voice of Happy Second Fuse, the true star of Happy Second Fuse, Daisy Ridley.

Thank you. Thank you. And so ends another edition of Happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person.

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