Happy Sad Confused - Dakota Fanning, Vol. II

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

Dakota Fanning is back on Happy Sad Confused this week! Dakota and Josh catch up on Dakota’s latest project: Joe Swanberg’s THE SUN NEVER SETS, her viral 2002 Critics Choice Awards speech featuring Orlando Bloom, her TWILIGHT days, what it was like to act alongside sister Elle for the first time in the upcoming adaptation of THE NIGHTINGALE, whether she still gets birthday presents from Tom Cruise, & more! SUPPORT THE SHOW BY SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS! Rula -- Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rula.com/happy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #rulapod Quince -- Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince.com/HAPPYSAD ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠for free shipping and 365-day returns. Limited Time Offer–Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code happy15 at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://huel.com/happy15.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Where do you rank in your Pantheana performances delivering that amazing acceptance speech while being clutched by Orlando Bloom in 2002? Honestly, that may be my peak achievement. People make me watch it all the time. I was just with my sister's boyfriend's family this past weekend. It's their favorite thing. Someone came over a friend. They were like, have you seen it.

You have to see it. They start playing it. I'm literally running down the hall of the house to get away from this video. I'm like hiding in the room. I come out, still not over, still talking. Orlando Bloom's shaking like a leaf. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today we've got Dakota Fanning. It's kind of her first official visit to the podcast. We had her once way back when, but this is the career deep dive. That was way back in pandemic times. We don't talk about that conversation. This one is a great one.

we talk about everything from the beginnings. I am Sam. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, the Twilight Days, to her new film, The Sun Never Sets. Hey, guys, thanks as always for checking out the podcast.

Remember to hit that subscribe button, YouTube, Spotify, however you're doing it. That is your choice. I appreciate you guys, as always, for checking out what we do over here. Before we get to Dakota Fanning, quick reminder,

check out our Patreon. Patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused, early access to all our episodes. You can ask questions to our guests. You get merch, you get access to our live events in LA and New York, so much more, patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused. Okay, let's talk a little Dakota fanning quickly before we dive into the conversation. Her new film, fantastic. It is called The Sun Never Sets.

This is a small indie. It needs your support. It's got some great performances from her, from Jake Johnson, from Corey Michael Smith. It is directed by Joe Swanberg. If you don't know Joe Swamberg's work, especially with Jake, actually, over the years. they do this kind of semi-improvisational style, these dromedes, if you will. And this is kind of a relationship dromedy, I guess. And it's really Dakota's film, though, at the center. And she delivers one of her best performances. And I'm so happy for her. It's something she's obviously very proud of,

both the finished product, but also the very unique experience of making it. And we get into that in this conversation. But I was also just thrilled to have her to dive deep into her entire career, which has been about 25 years. I think she's 31, 32 now. And she has been acting since she was just a little kid. I Am Sam was that first film, her and Michelle Pfeiffer and Sean Penn, and then working with the likes of De Niro and Denzel and Tom Cruise.

We talk about it all in this, including that evolution into being this acclaimed adult actor in all these great TV shows. She's Emmy nominated currently for all her fault. She was Emmy nominated for Ripley. and of course her work with Tarantino in recent years, a ton to talk to her about. And she's also like her sister Elle, a great supporter of the podcast, always has been. And it always super, super fun to talk to, especially considering she just worked with Elle for the first time.

So this is kind of her first extended chat, I think, about talking about rather working with Elle Fanning, finally, in their new film The Nightingale, which comes out next year, which I'm very, very excited for. So that's what's coming up. Enjoy this conversation. She's fantastic. Here is me and Dakota Fanning. Dakota. Hello.

It's good to see you. Welcome back to the podcast. Thank you. I say welcome back. I feel like this is really the official first. I think this is the official first. It's been on Zoom and, you know. We did pandemic times one.

And that was like devoted to your passion for almost famous. Yes, correct. Which is still strong. We can do a deep dive in that if you want today. But we covered a lot in that one. We did. Congratulations on the new film. Thank you.

We have a lot to talk about. Yes. First of all, I want to start the important stuff. I think I told you this. I did try the margarita at Casca Vega. Oh, did you? The Dakota. Delicious.

It's delicious. It's delicious. Carosa Vegas is the best. So for those I don't know, Dakota has a margarita immortalized at Casa Vega, iconic L.A. restaurant. her father started the restaurant and she runs it now is one of my aunt's best friends. So I've known Christy for like 22 years, like literally, like long, long time. So it's a staple in our family. Where in the list of career accomplishments do you rank the Dakota at Cassavada?

As a valley girl, L.A. Valley Girl, it is. maybe number one. Like literally. Yeah, it's people, I get photos of that menu consistently. People are like, whoa, this is really cool. It's got a little honey in there, as I recall. Got a little honey, a little time. It's really good. Come on. You have many accomplishments. Yeah, because I think Elle told me last time that you are a Lady of the Lake. That's what you're known as. I'm a Lady of the Lake. Much like your buddy Kirsten also Lady of the Lake. Exactly. Yes, she is also a Lady of the Lake. Yeah, the TL. So, yeah, a lot of accomplishments to celebrate today.

Emmy nominations, two Emmy nominations. Congratulations on that. I also learned that you and Elle are going to be getting stars next year on the Walk of Fame. Is that, is that meaningful? I mean, someone that, like, grew up in the business, like. We told our mom when we found out the night before and couldn't say anything, but we were like, well, we have to tell her mom. And so we called her mom together.

We were all in different places. And my mom started crying. She like burst into tears. I think it's just that is such an iconic thing. And yeah, the first time I came to L.A. before I even started acting, you know, when it was just like maybe I'll do some commercials or something. Like that's the main thing you do. You go to the Hollywood Walk of Fame and see the stars and find out where certain people's stars are and go take your picture with them.

And so to have to have Ellen and I immortalized in that way, I think we're the first sisters to have the double star ceremony, which is very cool. You get any say on where it's going to be? Is it in front of like the raising canes? People keep asking. I have no idea. And by the way, outside raising canes would be great.

What's like the campaign now? Kind of ideal. So the reason you've come in here today is to spread the good word of this great new film. For folks who don't know, Joan Swanberg's work, a very unique kind of filmmaker, to say the least,

the sun never sets as the film. You're front and center. This is your movie. I mean, it's kind of a three-hander, but it's really your movie. Yeah, thank you. You should feel very proud of it. I mean, you know as well as I do,

like there's the experience of making a film, which can sometimes be great, sometimes be horrible, and there's the result of the film, which can sometimes be great and sometimes be horrible. It's very rare when it lines up and it's like, great experience,

great progress. Yes. I can't, I cannot stress enough how unbelievable the experience was. I mean, it was from the first time that I met Joe and Jake, we had a really long Zoom, the three of us. And it was just like we had known each other forever. Yeah. And then making the movie and getting to know Corey Michael Smith, my sister knew him a bit from sentimental value. because he's in that. And so I had already heard great things about him. And then just the process of making it in Alaska, in Anchorage, Alaska, with Joe and Jake and Corey. And then Anna Conkel was there, and a part of it, she was incredible.

Like it was so magical, and it was one of those experiences that you need every once in a while to deeply remind you of why you love doing this so much, you know, because life gets crazy and it becomes about scheduling and about this and about that and, oh, should I do this or should I? You know, it's like, not that I'm like some strategic person when it comes to like films or series that I'm a part of,

but this was just like pure creative. Yeah, shakes up the process in the best way. Shakes up the process in the best way. if people don't know Joe's films the script is not a traditional script it's more of an outline and a lot of it is improvised so that in and of itself

is completely different from anything that I've ever done before and I was before I made it friends of mine were like when I was explaining that if they weren't familiar with Joe's work they were like oh my God like are you freaking out and I was like

Wait, should I'm freaking out? I was like, I am freaking out. Yeah. But there was something in the back of my mind that was like, it's going to be fine. Like, it's going to be totally fine. And I didn't know what that, what that little voice in the back of my mind, like, why I was convinced that it was going to be fine. Yeah. But it was Joe.

Right. It was Joe. That's why it was fine is because Joe is the greatest and is leading you in a way. where you're doing it and you don't even know that you're doing it. You know what I mean? Like it's just it's really collaborative. And then Jake, of course, it's a long time collaboration going with Joe.

He's an absurd human being, though. He is like a silly man. Jake is the funniest person I have ever met. I actually genuinely not exaggerating. I really think that he is. He's top five for me. He just did, you know, I've told you about my dog show. He just did my dog show.

And it was, I was sweating. Was your stomach hurting? Like, there was top five for me? Like there were days. And because of Joe and Jake's history together in their friendship and both of their sense of humors, the combination. Yeah. There would be times where I would be like, I'm, you have to, I'm going to throw up. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, I am laughing so hard. I'm crying. My stomach is hurting and I'm like, feel. I can't breathe. I, I, and not in, people say that like, oh, that person's so funny. Like, oh my God, we were crying, laughing. No, no, no. Like, I.

deeply mean that. So getting to just be around that was so great. And then, yeah, making this movie that, and like you were saying at the beginning, like having the result match the experience is like I really have a lot of gratitude for when that happens.

And I love the movie so much. I really do. So what does that like for you as an actor at this point to like sit down in the theater? You've had that experience so many, so many different times. And I'm sure every kind of experience where it's like, oh. Oh, that's, was that a little bit different? A little different.

Do you still get butterflies? Is that a nervous day when you finally screen a movie? So with this, Joe, like, would, had sent us, like, his kind of assembly in, like, a rough cut. Because also the way that the movies are made in Joe and Jake's world, it's very equitable. Like, we're all producers. So we all kind of were able to get on Zoom and like chat about different things and be like, Joe, could you try? I kind of miss that like funny thing.

He's like, oh, let me put it back in there. I'll show you. I'll just send you the scene, you know. So of course, like for me, I always defer to the director, like the directors who I want their vision to be the thing that makes it into the world. But getting to be a little bit of part of that process was really fun. So I had watched it myself at home. And then I showed my mom and my sister.

And they loved it. And then when it premiered at South by Southwest, that was the first time seeing it on a big screen with an audience with other friends of mine that I knew would really like it. And it was really magical. Like I can't wait to see it. Like when it comes out, like I'm for sure going to go to the theater and watch it again. I mean, it does feel like, you know, like, you know, like, I'm really magical. From my vantage point, you know, the folks like me, we kind of like look at the career and you kind of like, you chunk it out.

You kind of like figure out like the different stages. Yeah. And like, you know, it kind of makes it math, which is this isn't, obviously. But you kind of look at the last few years and it kind of does look like you're in this really cool. Like you've done a lot of amazing TV work. Yeah. Two Emmy nominations, you know, Ripley and Aller Fault. A lot of producing, working with L.

This film, like, you know, it's not as tidy as that I know. Right. But does it feel? like a little bit like, yeah, I'm in a different kind of groove. Like the last three or four years I'm finding a different lane. I think so. I think it does for whatever reason. I don't even know why, you know, but it does.

And I think that I'm just going with, I've always gone with my gut, but I'm really going going with my gut. And I'm also, I don't want to say that making this movie was like some big risky decision, but it was like a little maybe off the path of what somebody would expect me to do. Yeah. And but but but in reality that's this movie and this character and this experience

is actually like way more who I am. Right. Do you know what I mean? I've heard you say that. It's the nature of the collaborative nature, right? So this woman Wendy like you do connect with her more like not only the nature of the story but like literally the stuff that you brought to it,

the ideas that you brought to the table, right? Yeah. So without getting you on the couch too much. But like what do you see when you see Wendy on the screen? What do you see of yourself in there that you haven't seen before? I see a lot of myself. I see a lot of my, I see like a really free version of myself. And I think because of the nature of Joe's process, you do end up bringing a lot of yourself

because you're thinking of things to say on the fly. So what do you fall back on you? You know what I mean? Like so yes, as much as I, of course, am playing a character. and there are differences between me and Wendy. I see a lot of my mannerisms. I see a lot of like freedom in my face. Like I don't know.

I just like when I'm laughing in The Sun Never Sets, I'm laughing. Like you know, it's, it's, and so I think people who know me who have seen it are like, it's fun for them to see the real me playing this character, you know? More Happy Say Confused coming up. If you're a fan of Happy Second Fused, a fan of mine, you probably love Outer Banks. I've loved talking to this cast over the years, and I'm so thrilled to say there's a really cool new podcast out there if you're an OBX fan.

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and is just as entertaining for grownups who love a good mystery. The whole family can listen now wherever you get your podcasts. By nature of having done this as long as you have since you were such a little kid, like, you know, little kids, I assume, aren't necessarily encouraged to improvise. Like, is that something that you've kind of had to like relearn in recent years? Like it's okay. Yeah. It depends on the set.

Obviously, you're on a Tarantino set. You're not going to be improvised. No, no, exactly. It's funny, though, when I did IMCAM, the biggest takeaway from I, Sam was that Sean improvised a lot. Oh, really? Yeah. So I right off the bat learned, oh, I, you obviously memorize your lines and you know what's supposed to happen in the scene, but you have to still be present in the moment if somebody asks you, is it raining? And you're, you know, oh, it's written that it was supposed to be raining, but now it's not raining.

Right. You have to remember that. Like, you can't lie. You know what I mean? Like, well, actually, no, it's not raining. I mean, you know, whatever. So, like, literally in a nutshell, you got, like, acting one of, like, the ultimate. I got, like, the last.

I got a blast of that lesson. But also be in the moment. Yes. Yes. I got a blast of that lesson at seven. Yeah. So, I've always carried that with me. And then, yeah, of course, like you said, like, probably not improvising on Ripley.

You know, Steve Zalian has written those scripts and there's no need to. Like, I don't feel the need to. Like, I'm not somebody that feels the need to improvise. Let me plus up your dialogue, Steve Zalian. Yeah, exactly. Like, Steve, one second. So, you know, there's a lot of times where it's totally not necessary. And but with this, it's inherent.

You know, with the sun never sets, it was inherent. And yeah, I was like literally the night before I was like, oh my like trying to be like okay maybe i'll say that and i was like no like i was like no you can't do it you have to just like trust trust you have to trust your own brain and trust joe and trust jake and they had told me something that did i would kind of go back to you that would calm my nerves is they were like as much as the process is the outline and the improv and the whatever they were like there will never be a time i promise you where you don't know what to say like It's made like a normal movie.

There's a call sheet. There's a schedule. Like, you know, you know the intentions of the scene. And they were like, you will know what to say. Just trust us. Yeah. And that became true, you know, pretty much right off the bat. And you mentioned like you shoot this in Alaska.

Like the whole thing sounds like adventure. So like you step off the plane, you're like, okay. In a different world. Yeah. Where would you rent? You've shot literally all around the planet. Yeah. Where would this like just from a physical standpoint, the,

the constant daylight, the whole thing. Oh, yeah. This is like at the top of the list. Yeah, it's so unique. Obviously, the title of the film comes from the fact that it really doesn't get dark there in the summer. And we were filming in June, pretty May in June. And definitely Jake did not care for the sun, never setting. I'm sure he's quiet about it.

Yeah, yeah, he was super quiet about it. No one really knew. And but I loved it. I was like, I just thought it was so neat. And Alaska was a place I never knew if I would get to. Like, yeah. And I didn't really know exactly what it was like. And yeah, like you said, you step off the plane and it,

how beautiful it is is next level. I mean, you just, you see mountains and green and snow and clear water and whales and like moose and I never saw a bear I did want to but I didn't see a bear and yeah and we were filming in Anchorage but we also kind of went to other places too we filmed in this place Whittier that sort of opens the movie filming in Whittier which is a town that you get to through this tunnel that's all you can only go through the tunnel at certain times and then once you're through the tunnel in Whittier you can only get out of Whittier at a certain time when the tunnel like allows.

So yeah, it was just like it was really amazing to film in Alaska and I think what was also really fun was the people there were so willing to help and be a part of it and we're so generous and really excited that we were there

and so that made it really special too. Spoils you a little bit. Really, we were really spoiled. They're like, you can film here all night. We're like, no, no, no, it's okay. We don't need to. You know what I mean? You're used to like, LA or New York where it's like, you have 30 minutes. You have to leave right now. And like, they were just like so willing and helpful. And it was, it was really nice. Yeah. Okay. So we do have the luxury of time. I promise we're not going to do with every single. You have too many credits that talk through and we a long way to go back. We talked a little bit already about I am I am Sam. Which, I mean, how fortuitous is it that that kind of experience with Sean Penn and Michelle Fiverr is the first film experience. Pretty amazing. Yeah. Pretty amazing. Yeah.

Like by then, like I guess this applies to a lot of the early experiences. Like, you know, you're six, seven, eight, nine, you're working with these insane actors. Like, did you have a lot of awareness of who these people were at the time? Like, did your parents like say, by the way, the Sean Peng guys of Ray of the Gil? Yes, yes, yes, yes. I hadn't seen the full extent of Sean's work at six. A lot of it's not. Not a lot of Pixar on there.

Not all. But I did. No, I did, yeah, exactly. I did know that he was a super respected, serious, like, you know, movie star. And same with Michelle, you know, same with Michelle. And so that sort of started me off. And then, yeah, then you would kind of watch, like, I remember when I was young, I loved the movie One Fine Day.

Oh, yeah. With Michelle. Like, I just, you know, so then you start seeing things and you're like, oh, my God. And then you, and then now you fully realize who Michelle was. And just like, oh my God, being in that first movie with those two people is kind of amazing. Like are the early memories like conflated with the actual films? Because like my memories of being like a kid are very, get a little fuzzy sometimes. Yeah.

I think that because the experiences were so specific, it's like solidified my memories like so much. And it's all, it's like it is in chapters. Like I know on I am Sam, I was six and I turned seven. And then I know the next thing that I did. And I know like that by the next birthday, I was then going to do Man on Fire. You know, like, it's like different. It's like sort of in these chunks. It's like equivalent to like a summer camp for me.

Yeah, exactly right. And then I met this kid at this camp. Yes. And you know that that would have been before that other experience. So it's kind of like broken down in that way in my mind. But yeah, people people will say to me like, I mean, do you even remember working with Denzel Washington? I'm like, uh-huh. Yeah, I do.

Of course. Like, what are you talking about? You don't forget that. No. Where do you, Hank again, in your Pantheana performances, really buckling down and delivering that amazing acceptance speech while being clutched by Orlando Bloom in 2002? Honestly, that may be my peak achievement. Like, I...

Here's the photo. This is what you suffer for being around for all these years. At least you're not going to make me watch it. No, I'm not. I won't do that. Which people make me watch it all the time because they, it happened. I was just with my sister's boyfriend's family this past weekend. It's their favorite thing.

Someone came over a friend. They were like, have you seen it. You have to see it. They start playing it. I'm literally running down the hall of the house to get away from this video. I'm like hiding in the room. I come out, still not over, still talking. Orlando Bloom's shaking like a leaf.

You had a lot of agents to hold me up. I had so many agents. I had Bob Shea from New Line. Like, I mean, I was like, I was. I think God and my agents, God then my agents. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And by the way, remember it like it was yesterday.

Remember it like it was yesterday was like I have a lot of people to thank. And then at the end, my mom, dad, and my little sister, Elle. I mean, it was, it's so funny and I love it. I don't not like it, but like listening to it sometimes, I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, it's still going. When you get your inevitable Emmy, you should just do the exact same speech and ask Orlando to do it. And ask Orlando to come up. When I've run into Orlando over the years, I've seen him a few times actually recently, and we always talk about it.

And he's like, all right, come on, let's do it. And I'm like, the critic's choice warriors is they're missing an amazing bit. I'm a part of that group. I'm going to put this up. Okay, you need to put this up. They're missing an amazing bit from me in Orlando. Okay, let's make this happen. Come on.

Do you remember being at the MTV Movie Awards and receiving, that was a, That was a major year. Yes. That was the Gosling notebook. Yes. Yes. Yes. I do remember.

Was I just there once? Was I just there? I was there with Tom. Okay. I was there with Tom. I'm thinking about you won for, I think, best frightened performance. Best frightened performance. That would have been that year.

Yes. Oh, but you came for a war of the worlds as well, you're saying. I did. Yeah. I think maybe we presented or we won something. I do remember it, though. It was like Lindsay Lohen, Hillary Duff. like,

Paras, like, I was like, oh, my mind is exploding. Everyone's here. Like, I was just like, it was peak.

Yeah. Peak all of that. Never forget it. Speaking of Tom, there's a recent photo I want to talk about. Can we look at this photo? So a little reunion. Yes.

You, Tom, Colin crashing the parties. Yes. Yes. Yes. It was so fun. And you got to be near Steven Spielberg's disembodied head.

He was a popcorn holder of Stephen's head. Yeah, it was a screening that Tom hosted. for Disclosure Day at Stevens Theater Universal. Right. And I was invited and I was like, oh, dying to see Disclosure Day. And then getting to see Tom. My mom came with me because she was there when we were doing War of the World.

She hadn't seen Tom in a long time. And Tom, my mom and I, we jumped up and down. We were so excited to see each other. It was amazing. And then we got this picture. And Colin, who I didn't really know, but Elle worked with on the Beguiled. Oh, right. nicest man on the planet on planet earth like an angel on earth like nicest man on the planet

I know and he was with his son who was the nicest kid I've ever met I was like struck by how nice he was it was just like I know unbelievable I know I was like oh I need to remember that and like try and be that way for somebody else I mean literally I was like my mom and I were like the nicest man we've ever met it was crazy I want you know on the other end of that I got a chance to do a with Spielberg here in New York when he saw this photo. I was literally with him. When he was looking at this photo? Really?

What did he say? Was he? Oh, good, good, good, good. Yeah, it's so sweet. So are you still on? So obviously you work with Tom War of the Worlds. Yeah. Famously, he would send you shoes every year.

Still happening. How many, what? I know. We talk about it. We talked about it then. He was like, I'm gonna keep doing this. He was like, I love this tradition. I love the check-in that we have once a year about it.

He was like, I'm, it's, it's going to keep happening. And I was like, I'll take him. Every kind of shoe at this point? Like, do you have? Yeah, new, you know, whatever the new vibe is. Do we think he's doing the research himself? Does he have all team? According to Tom, he is, he is involved.

So he's involved. Okay. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the specifics. I don't ask. Yeah, it's the same thing like the cruise cake list. You don't want to know the particulars.

You don't know, like, you know, like, you know, You imagine he's delivering them himself. Yeah, right. Everyone's like, everyone's like, do you get the Tom Cruise cake? I'm like, oh, gee. I'm OG. Come on. I get the cake plus a little something extra.

Yeah. Couple months later, my birthday is in February. I've heard other thing. Gieramos told me he gets like a gingerbread house. There are different tears. Oh, fun. Oh, fun. They're all the secret lists.

Well, I'm happy. I'm happy with the cake. I'm happy with the cake. Well, you reunited with Denzel professionally. It would be nice to reunite with both Stephen Tom at some point. It absolutely would. It would absolutely.

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Like, were you experiencing rejection? Like when I talked to a lot of like former, you know, actors that were acting really young, it was a lot of like auditions and dealing with. with the rejections. Did you have to deal with that too? Or was it's... Yeah, for sure. I mean, there was, when I first, when I first came to L.A. and, you know, maybe doing some commercials and whatever and you're going to these auditions for commercials or like little parts on a TV show or something. I mean, there are plenty of things that I wouldn't get all the time. And I would say, I think that why I've been able to maybe sustain

and like handle the rejection or or the disappointment that inevitably comes, you know. I would say to my mom, if I knew I didn't get something or whatever, I'd be like, oh, you know, they must have wanted somebody with brown hair. Like, you know? Something out of your control. Something out of my control. Like I was like born with that thing of like just not absorbing, not absorbing it too much. And then of course, listen, there's been.

times over the course of the whole deal where you're disappointed or you know you feel you are you you feel like oh I really wanted to do that that happens but um I've always been really good about like there must be something else around the corner there must be a reason right you know there must be a reason and even if it's not obvious right in that moment things become obvious later and you're like man, if I hadn't done that, I wouldn't have done that and whatever. So I've always been pretty, I've always been pretty able for whatever reason to not absorb it into how I feel about myself. And I'm grateful for that. It can be tough though, because like, especially when you're doing the callbacks and stuff and it's like you start to imagine a future, right? Like you kind of go down the

road. Like on the franchise side, then sometimes we're like, this is the next five, 10 years of my life. Totally. And then it's like, nope. So was there not to again not to Yeah yeah Bad memories but was there anything that you came Down the line for that was like Oh this this feels like meant for me And then it just it wasn't for whatever reason

Yep I could think of one Yeah It's okay time has passed Dakota get it out I can't no no I can't say this one I cannot say this one Wow but but yes

And by the way It's fine It's okay It's okay. Yes. It really is. It really is. It really is.

It really is. But there's an element of being an actor and like it's a little bit of like it's inherent that like you're going to get a little heartbroken, you know? Like it's kind of, it's kind of a part of it. But I also, because of certain things that have happened like a couple disappointments, like I do not. rely on anything that I'm doing until I am there. Like I'm like, well, I think I'm going to be working on this thing. Like my language around it is very specific because it's just healthier for me. Well, even UNL.

I mean, the Nightingale like. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, long journey. Yeah. Long journey. Yeah. To make that happen for sure. And asked about it all the time. That's the other thing.

Then people find out about something. Then you asked about it all the time and you're like, I don't know. I don't know if it's going to happen. I'm not sure if it's going to happen. But then it's exciting because then it's like, oh, wow, people really do want this to happen, you know. But yeah, making the nightingale, we finished that earlier this year. So so much anticipation.

Not even from us. We all have anticipation. But for you guys, like you must have built it up so much. Like, what was the first day like? Did it feel like nerves, like in a weird way? Like obviously you couldn't be closer and this is meant to be, but put me in your head that first couple days. Yeah. I think I were nervous.

Like we didn't want to admit how nervous about it we were because it was like the little intrusive thought of like, is this going to be okay? Like, are we going to be able to do this? Or is it going to be weird? Are we going to be laughing? Like, what is it going to be like? But I don't think we wanted to talk about it too much because it was sort of that thing of like, well, I think it'll be fine. Yeah. And we really wanted to start scheduling-wise things were really complicated, but it was really

important to us that we started together, started the movie together, doing scenes together, to just like see right away. And the first day, couldn't have been more normal, couldn't have been, like, that part of it couldn't have been easier. Yeah. And I was like, oh, it's because we spent our whole childhoods playing together and making up these scenarios. And like, that's how we learned how to act.

It was like with each other in our playroom, making up the craziest stuff. I was going to say, whatever you're doing the nightingale can't compare to. It doesn't compare to me giving birth to L. Yeah, exactly. No. It doesn't. Like every time she tells it, I'm like, you have got just. Stop telling people about that.

Sounds so weird, but like it wasn't. We just had, we had this, I'm not gonna go into too much detail. But literally, like we, we, that's how, that was our favorite thing to do. Yeah. So it was just that on a bigger scale. So no, you didn't have to like set any kind of ground rules of like, yes, we're sisters, but we're, we're actors together. And like in the way that we were gonna kind of carry ourselves. It's just kind of like, you found like the way.

I mean we would joke about like, oh, Dakota can't boss me or, you know, Elle would joke like, Dakota can't boss me around and like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I, and it was like a bit that we were doing. And like, of course I wasn't going to do that, you know. But then there were times where I was like, you're talking too loud. Like, you need to be quiet. And that was a bit or that was real? No, that was real. I'm just using it.

I'm just like saying, but there were, there were sometimes where I was like, oh. I need to, I'm sort of giving a mash up. Are you really going to deliver the line like that? Is that, that's, yeah, yeah. No, there was nothing, there was nothing performance wise. I think that boundary was, like, very clear. And there was nothing that I had to say. She was incredible.

But, yeah, there were a couple of times where I definitely was like, Big sister, can't stop. Can't stop. Can't be stopped. I mean, when I spoke to her on one of the recent podcasts, like she was saying, again, so much was built up about you guys finally working together. And then she was saying like you guys are like, maybe we should just do a bunch of these. Like, you know, like, and I don't know how serious.

Yes, serious. Oh, yeah, we're serious. Now the Band-Aids been ripped. Band-Aids ripped. It's like, why would we not like. Play every permutation of sister? Yeah, exactly. Like, keep collaborating at like every age and every experience.

Greg Bardens here you come. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's we, I think, I think for so long it was like this sacred thing and it is a sacred thing. And like the first experience will always be the one that we just had. It will always be the Nightingale. And like that was so important. But now that we've done it, we're like, let's do another one. Like totally, you know.

Do you have one in, she mentioned something that she wanted Tony McNamara to write. Is that something that ever got off the ground? No, but I still like, that's still, that's still percolating. There's another one that's still percolate. Like there's a couple. But I'm like, it's endless. Like, because it would, I also, we need to play sisters that hate each other. have a terrible relationship.

Like, that would be amazing. Like, because, again, you're too excited about this. You're right a little bit too. Because whether people believe us or not, I said people, because we're working so much together and producing so much together, people really ask, like, do you guys really get along that well? And it's, you feel like you're lying.

Ellen and I could not be closer. I mean, like, our relationship could not be better, truly. So I'm like, Let's do the opposite. Like jealous, like jealous, mean sisters. That would be so fun. We're ready. Yeah.

How many times have you talked or texted her today? Oh, all morning long. All morning long. I was asking her what I needed to wear. Like, I was like, I was sending her pictures. I was like, should I wear this or that or that? Yeah, I mean, we are so close. Saw her last night.

Okay. Let me run a few other random crests with the demography. Yeah. Talk Twilight. I think I probably maybe even met you on the Twilight movies. Oh, for sure, for sure. Was that a big deal for you to get New Moon to get Jane? Yeah, it was a huge deal.

It was like all anyone was talking about. I was in high school at the time. I was homeschooled until I went to high school and then I went to a regular high school. And it was like everyone was obsessed. So it was a huge, it was a huge deal. You hadn't gone up for Bella prior to, I assumed, no. No, I think I was just a bit young for it. Yeah.

But yeah, getting to play Jane was amazing. And that's where I met Kristen, who, you know, is one of my closest friends. Did you see that Rob recently compared his Odyssey character to Jacob in Twilight? I did see the clip where he was like, no one's team Jacob. I was like, oh, my God. Poor Taylor, after all these years. No, I know, I know. I know.

People are team, some people are team Jacob. I mean, no one I want to hang out with, but yeah. Rob's not team Jacob. That was clear. That's clear. But no, I mean, it was just such a specific, like, thing, you know, it was. To be in the center of that, because, like, I covered those movies so much. I've never seen anything like it.

And they had no idea. They just had no clue it was going to be that they thought they did some little vampire movie, like, you know. And then going to come, going to that Comic Con and being, like, hit with the way. of the fans was super intense. So getting to be a part of that for me, and I got like kind of just all the good parts of it because I was just a little character that was popped in, popped out, popped in, popped out.

So I didn't have really any of the pressure. I just got the kind of fun experience. So it was like ideal, you know. And then you mentioned Kristen, you got to work with her again for, I feel like more people should see. I really like the runaway. Same.

You guys did a great job with that one. And that's been a meaningful experience. I mean, it's like playing real life figures, singing, the whole vibe of that. Great Michael Shannon, come on. I know, I know. Yeah, it was really special. Film during the summer. I was 15.

It was right after I had done New Moon. So, Chris and I had met, and then we were going to do, you know, this movie. It was like really fun to immerse yourself in that world of the runaways. Joan was there a lot. Cherie was there a lot, getting to know them. That was my, that was a summer camp for me, was the runaways, you know, it really was. And I really liked the movie. Yeah, I really like the movie.

Was it a big decision? You came, we came here, NYU. Yep. Like, where were you at in terms of like career, personal life? Like, I need to kind of like stake a different, I don't know, like recalibrate, try something else out? I mean, where were you? Yeah, I just wanted to move to New York and my mom wouldn't have let me move to New York if I wasn't going to college. And then also at the same time, it just was like a given that I would go to, I never imagined that I wouldn't go to college.

And I just really wanted the experience of living in New York. So that's sort of how it came about. I felt it was, I was working and I was working, but it was like, it felt like, it felt like a bit of a quieter time career-wise for me because I was really focused on being 18-19 in New York and having those experiences. So, and I learned a lot during that time and really happy that I got that time to get that time to be a student and be, you know, going out with friends and like all that. It wouldn't trade that for anything. It does, again, like to go back to my earlier point of kind of like, you know,

looking at the macro career and like looking at the evolution. Like maybe this is a little bit later, but like it does feel like 2013 to 2018 or 19. It's kind of like you're working consistently. Yes, yes. But it also feels like maybe you're trying to figure out like, you know, you're kind of in a transitional age. Yeah, I think it was also like figuring like everyone else figuring out where to put me. even more importantly. I think that I think the reason in the last few years that you probably or people probably

feel like, oh, there's like a group. I think because everybody is very comfortable that I'm an adult now. Exactly. And I think that the- We can't keep pretending she's 12. Right. So and that, like I really feel like that chapter is closed. Yeah.

And so when I'm talking about things that I did as a young person, it's deeply in retrospect. Do you know what I mean? It's probably easier for you now. like there's a separation. Yeah, and I think it was it was always easy for me. It wasn't always easy for other people who perceived me as a certain age and whatever. So I think that is the reason why now it feels like gruvier because I just think it's now like I'm 32 years old. We can't deny it anymore. Can't be denied it anymore. And so I think that I've found like I've found a place as a as an adult, as an actor, and everyone else has found that place for me also, you know.

Totally. And so I feel like, yeah, those years were kind of that transition time where everyone was sort of catching up. Do you see an evolution point in terms of like, you know, a lot of, especially for younger actors, it's behavior more than like technique. Yeah. like where you can see a transition and or remember even a transition of like how you approached roles and kind of and and and and and I mean it seems like you were the anomaly actually I'm thinking about you're really like you kind of always had technique yeah I get I guess but I but I also like I still approach things the same way which is I don't do that much like unless there's something that I need to learn like like Right. I kind of am over familiar with like I know everything.

I know everything that's happening in the script and like I learn my lines and then. Then you can be in the moment. Then I can be there and then I can be in the moment. And that's sort of what I've always done. And I think that it does come from starting when you're young. Like I just approached it as make believe. Yeah. And I still kind of approach it as make believe and haven't really changed that.

I think for me, like, the technique is more of like how it's proper to behave, what on set behavior and like that professional thing I learned from so many people, the importance of being on time. I don't want people to wait for me. Like those sorts of things I'm very, like, rigorous about. And, I mean, they haven't, they also haven't changed. But, like, that's where I feel like my, like, the professionalism that I hope to inhabit. I'm like that I've learned so much from from people that I've worked with good and bad I guess. Everybody has their own style. But yeah, but in terms of like the technique as an actor, I'm like.

It's kind of always kind of as I just kind of try to behave how I think a normal person would behave given their circumstances. It's like I just try and be as natural as possible. Easier said than dumb, but yes. Yes. I would imagine when you talked about like professionalism on sets, like special experiences. We haven't even talked about Tarantino. So let's talk a little bit about because that that's, that's a marker. That's a huge, huge moment.

You kind of manifested it from what I gather. I did. I did. I don't know how often you do this. Is this something you've done a lot where you've like sent a letter to a director or kind of said. No, no, no. That's what happened. That's what happened.

Yeah, I did. I knew that he was. doing this movie didn't know a lot about what the movie would be, but had heard from my agent that, like, there would be a role that would make sense for me. But, you know, Quentin has his process with how he cast and who he wants to see and who he, whatever. And I was like, I'm just going to write him a note.

I'm just going to write him a note and, like, see what happens. If it isn't for this, maybe it'll be for something else. And so, yes, I wrote him a note. and he wanted me to come in after reading the note. And I had dreamed of being in one of his movies, but I had never told anyone. Like, it was something in my own mind that I just was like, oh, that'll be, like, the best. And me saying how I, like, don't really prepare for anything. Now, for this audition, I...

I prepared so intensely for this audition. Like I, it was written what I was supposed to be wearing. I was like, I'm gonna wear that. It wasn't like a dramatic cost. It was like, you know, cutoffs in a tank top. But I was like, well, might as well wear cutoffs in the tank top. Like, I remember like, I was like listening to like certain music from that time period. Like before I went to the audition, I have never been more nervous in my whole entire, like,

entire life. I was shaking, like, knees knocking together. Like, I didn't know how I was going to do it. And then when I went in there, Quentin reads the scenes with you. Famously, I know. I didn't know that going in. So that was, that was a surprise. And weirdly, that put me so at ease. Yeah. Because it then became like, it wasn't like he's sitting in a chair, like, judging your performance. He's like in the performance with you. And so I was like, because that's my comfort zone is on a set and like doing a rehearsal and acting. I can do that.

But sometimes auditions feel so sterile and they feel like nobody's giving you any feedback and you just like walk in and walk out and you're like, well, I don't know how that went. So I expected it to be like that. And it was the exact opposite. It felt like being on set, like rehearsing the scene. And it put me totally at ease. And then, yeah, I got a phone. I'll never forget getting the phone call that I got the part.

I was so excited. And it's, yeah, one of the most special experiences I've had to this day, really, truly. Electric on that said, like, I mean, the stuff you get to do is pretty, it's like, Yeah, it was, I could have, I would have stayed if they were like, you have to keep coming back every day and do the same scene over and over again. I was, I would have been like done. Like I, it was the epitome of what making a movie can be like, you know, like really everyone is there to bring the best version of themselves. Every cast member, every crew member works with the same people a lot, you know. So there's a like camaraderie that you.

You can't just create out of nowhere, you know. How curious, I'm so curious about this venture Tarantino movie. Oh, me too. I can't wait. I'll be first in line to see that. I know, I know. Okay, a couple of the random things. You guys still working on the Paraseltin series?

Still in development. That's another, people ask all the time. I'm like, I wish I had a better answer for people, like something more concrete. But it's, you know, in development and still being worked on. We still don't know who, if either of you or someone else is going to play her? Still don't know. Still don't know. It's like I feel like it's all kind of, it'll depend.

It'll just depend on like lots of different factors. Yeah. What's the reality obsession today, reality TV obsession. I am watching. I'm, I weirdly hit this phase of my life, which like I'm concerned about is like I'm getting in the bed, closing my eyes and going to sleep. and not watching my shows. At least you're not reading or something.

Like what? Like that, it's like honestly freaking me out. Like getting in bed at night and being like, I don't think I can turn my show on. I'm like, forcing my, I'm like, no, you, that is who you are. Like that is who you are. You can't lose that.

I have, no, this is actually the most concerning thing that's happened of late. I have not started Big Brother yet. And you are a devotee. It is so disturbing that I have not started Big Brother yet. Like it's upsetting me that I haven't started it yet. Yeah. I can't even believe I'm admitting it.

Like Julie Chen. Shameful. Julie Chen. Don't worry. You'll be there. I'll be there. I will catch up. Like, I will catch up.

I'm not watching any clips, any TikToks, any nothing. I am like scrolling. I don't know anything that's going on because I, I have to watch it. You'll be there when it's when you're ready for it. There's so many episodes. But yeah, I will. I can't,

I can't not watch, I can't become a person who doesn't watch Big Brother. No, it's a defining characteristic. It's a part of my identity. So, um, I will.

But, um, so that's, I'm watching Real Housewives of Orange County, the Valley. Um, so you're still you. But my, I'm still me.

Still me. My favorite thing I've watched lately, it's not reality, but docu series is the dark wizard. I don't know. I love the title. My God. You got to watch the Dark Wizard.

I hesitate to even say anything about it. It's about a climber. Like a kind of free solo climber. I don't want to say anymore. It's life-changing. It really is. It's my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing I've seen.

And L to, I told L to watch it. Elle told people like it's incredible. It's incredible. Kirsten has been working, I believe, with Jack Black. Has she relayed the, I mean, he probably knows by now. The internet has told him the obsession. Elle and I were at the airport in a lounge and this woman came up who's like best friends, I think, with his wife. And Elle was like, I'm so sorry.

Like this has gotten out of hand. And she was like, no, we love it. Like she wanted to take a picture. She was like, no, no, no. We love it. We think it's so funny. But Elle's like gotten embarrassed about it, I think. Like she revealed like too much of her true feelings about Jack.

It's too real. She's nervous that it's made him uncomfortable. I see. But I don't think it has. I'm sure you guys have been in his presence before. Only Elle, El met him at the Golden Globes and took those selfies. You're going to play cool.

You'll be, you'll be chill. I'll be chill. I'll be chill. Cut to. Cut to you. I'm like, I don't know. Okay, we end every happy, sick, infused with these profoundly random questions. Okay.

Are you ready? Ready. Dogs or cats? Dogs. Yeah. Your production companies. Llewellyn. Our family dog are the best dog in the whole world. Yeah, Lou Ellen pictures named after her. What do you collect?

Shot classes. Nice. Favorite video game of all time? Never played a video game. What? Never played a video game. Like. Like, I mean, phone games, does that count?

Yeah. But not like with a controller. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. What about a phone game?

Anything. Give us something. I'm really into right now. It's so hard to describe. It's like the dark wizard of games. It is a game where a something comes up. Like let's say it's a clown face. Sure.

But the clown face is made of yours. yarn. Yeah, I'm with you. And you have to unspool each color of the yarn. I'm seeing nods. Do you play this? Okay. Yarn fever.

It's called yarn fever. Yeah, that's what I play. And I can't even tell you the level that I'm on. It's like really bad. It's like really bad. But I will say I only allow myself to buy the extra baskets for because you run out of space eventually in the yarn basket, the spools of thread can't,

spools of yarn can't fit in there anymore. And to unlock other ones, you need the coins and you need stuff. I don't allow myself to buy them. I mean, it has to be like, it has to be a situation where I feel like the game will not let me pass until I buy the extra basket,

because I do think that they do that sometimes. So it's a really last resort. I will get it on my, own without buying the stuff. But yeah, I play yarn fever. Experience where, like, there's a crazy person talking to you, like, in a Starbucks and you're just trying to, like, get, like, survive. I just had that experience.

It's just like, weather the storm. Just let her say what she needs to say. I also play a game named Marble Sort, okay, where you sort marbles? I'm sorry, I asked. I'm sick. Yeah, I know. I know. It's really fun, though.

Another Dakota asked me, this Dakota Johnson asked me, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt? I've seen it. And I was thinking about it. I was like, I wonder if he's going to ask me this. It's got to be. And I know this is what everybody, but it has to be in. But yeah, it has to be in.

But yeah. Like, it's pretty clear cut for me. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. A wallpaper on your phone. My dog, bunny. Yeah.

Yeah. Last actor you were mistaken for. El Fanning. How often is that a daily thing? Is that a daily thing? You know, most people, most people get it right, but it'll be L. And also Amanda Seifred. And we, she gets it, I get it.

This is a really great story. When I was in high school, the guy that I was dating, his mom said to him, oh, tell Dakota, I can't wait to see her in Dear John. Because there was like big posters for Dear John all over the place with Amanda Seifred. And so she knew me well and still thought I was in Dear John. But by the way, couldn't be a better person to be mistaken for. She's awesome. Worst noted director has ever given you.

Can you do it more like the kid in the sixth sense? That's an all-timer. I love that. I hope this was like in the last like a month. I wish. No, I was young. Yeah, I was young. And I think at the time I said I don't think so.

Or what does that mean? Like I said, I didn't just say yes. I was like, I don't know. More Haley Joel. That's what they always said. More Haley Joel. More Haley Joel. Yeah.

And finally, in the spirit of happy, say, confuse an actor who always makes you happy. I am having the privilege right now of working with Stellan Scarsguard. And it is filling me with immense joy to be in his presence every day and get to have the experience of working with him after hearing of Elle's experience and being the biggest fan in the world. So I'm gonna say Stalin.

Having covered that amazing film sentimental value last year and going through it with him and having him like when I would see him at shows like even know like say like happy said confused like in his accent make me so happy. He's just this, he's just the nicest like most wonderful man. Yeah, yeah. Sons too, Alexander's.

I know, I know, I know. Movie that makes you sad? There's so many. I mean, I'm like a sucker for when the dog dies, you know, like a Marley and me. I'm going to freak out every time. Or I've never, I've thought about watching this movie again, and I'm like, I actually don't know if I can. I don't know if I can take it, Babe.

Yeah. I don't know if I can ever watch Babe again. It's so sad to me, but it's so good, but it's really sad. Go right to Babe Pig in the City, go to the sequel. Yeah, exactly. And finally, a food that makes you confused. I guess I see these clips when you ask people this question, and they always say the same thing. Yeah.

They go, well, it doesn't make me confused. Right. Why do you think they say that? Can I just ask? Like, I just wanted to understand. Like, obviously it's not. I'm not yet. I think they're misinterpreting that.

They're misinterpreting. I know you intellectually understand what the food. Exactly. Every time they go, well, I'm not confused by it necessarily, but it's like, well, obviously not. I don't think you're an idiot. Yeah, we know, but it's like, so the way I interpret it, a food that makes you confused is I'm interpreting like, why would someone ever eat that?

Correct, correct? You win. Egg salad. Million percent. What the hell? Why are people eating this? All the things on a menu, all wonderful sandwiches, meats, cheeses, prosciutto,

mozzarella, you know, even chicken salad. I can't even do that, but yes. But choosing, actively choosing. Chicken salad is like totally fine compared.

Actively choosing egg salad? Yeah. Are you okay? You know who has a great bit on this? You know the comedian Todd Barry? Yes. Very dead pan.

Yeah. Is he passionate about it? He literally has a bit. My wife and I quote this to each other. It's so, he has this bit of like, going to the diner and going to the entire menu and saying, give me some eggs.

Yeah. Like, what? Yeah. What? Million percent. Don't eat it in public at least for God's sake. Keep it, keep it behind closed doors if you do like it. I'm just like, I don't get it at all.

Come at me. Egg salad eaters, try me. Okay? I'm not going to change my opinion on this. No, never change Dakota. I won't. Congratulations on everything, including the Sun Never Sets. Honestly, one of your best, which is saying a lot. Everybody should check it out.

And I appreciate you. Look, the fannings have been very good to me. You guys. Oh, Josh, you're the best. Our fans of Happy Second. You guys have always been very good to me. You're always welcome. It's always good to see you.

Good to see you. Thank you. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, write, and subscribe. to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't actually to do this by Josh. Hi, I'm Whitney, and I'm Katie.

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