Happy Sad Confused - Daniel Radcliffe

Episode Date: August 3, 2014

Harry Potter himself, Daniel Radcliffe, chats with Josh about his new romantic comedy “What If?”, his obsession with Katy Perry, and his freakish knowledge of American football. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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or go to explorevolvo.com. Don't miss Swiped, a new movie inspired by the provocative real-life story of the visionary founder of online dating platform Bumble. Played by Lily James, Swiped introduces recent college grad Whitney Wolfe as she uses grit and ingenuity to break into the male-dominated tech industry to become the youngest female self-made billionaire. An official selection of the Toronto International Film Festival, the Hulu original film Swiped, is now streaming only on Disney Plus. Hey guys, welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad Confused. I'm Josh Horowitz, your fearless leader and host, at least for the next 45 or 50 minutes. Today's episode is a little bit of a longer conversation. I got to record recently with Daniel Radcliffe. If you don't know who Daniel Radcliffe is, that's weird because he played Harry Potter, kind of the biggest movie franchise, I guess of all time. I would have to be. do the math, but it's certainly one of them, if not the biggest franchises of all time. Dan Radcliffe is, you know, people often ask me who my favorite people to talk to are. More often they ask who my least favorite to talk to you are, but sometimes they also ask

who the cooler ones are, and Dan always is near or at the top of the list. He is a genuinely nice, well-adjusted, cool guy, which is, in the... insane, given that he is one of the most recognizable human beings on the planet and has been through a very unique, strange experience, obviously, in being the leader of that Harry Potter franchise since he was a kid. I recently spoke to Dan at a New York restaurant. That's where we recorded this. So, FYI, the audio is pretty good, but some of the audio, you'll hear a little bit of the

ambient noise that goes along with recording a conversation in a restaurant. But otherwise, I think the content is more important than the audio quality. At least I hope so. We're still working out the glitches. I know you guys have been asking me, what's up with the audio, Josh? And I've said, I'm working on it. And it's true. We are.

We're going to continue to improve the audio of these podcasts, I promise you. But let's focus on the positive folks. This is a great conversation with a super cool, interesting guy who has a new movie coming out But I definitely recommend. It's called What If? It's a romantic comedy starring Dan and Zoe Kazan. It opens August 8th. Do check it out.

It is smart. It is interesting. It is funny. It is much better than 90% of the generic romantic comedy crap that comes out of Hollywood. So check it out. And I hope you guys enjoy this episode. If you're a Dan Radcliffe fan, I know you will. As always, hit me up on Twitter, Joshua Horowitz.

Tell me who you want to hear on the show. Tell me if you're liking it. And most importantly, guys, seriously, please subscribe and rate this podcast and review this podcast on iTunes. It just takes a couple seconds, but it really helps people discover what is a very important labor of love for me. So spread the good word, happy, sad, confused, and in the meantime, enjoy this super fun conversation with Daniel Radcliffe. Oh no, thank you very much. Help yourself to a muffin of some kind. Wait, are you pretending like you, I brought the muffins.

Oh, damn, I don't know. I thought maybe they were just here, and I could pretend that I got them for you, and they'd just been here when we arrived. I've been here for like an hour. I brought the muffins. Sorry, fine. Do you want...

See, this is the, this is the illusion of Dan Rappenckett. Did I got you? No, no, I did that. First of all, you should know. I know you have the Fastbender test. Yes, okay. Fastbender, I think, is doing the podcast, So you are subscribing to the, you're doing what he would do.

Yeah, there we go. So well done. So I'm absolutely living by that. As everyone knows, that was something I do base every moment in my life around that decision-making process. No, did you hear about, did I tell you about what that was really about? No, I haven't heard from you. So the Fast-Bender test, the idea, because people now come up to me and just say, I love that. I love that you base all your decisions on why.

And I was like, I don't actually know Michael Fastender. I've met him once, and he was very nice, but I don't actually. I don't know, but a while ago, me and a director were talking about whether or not we should do. We were releasing a film and there was an opportunity for quite a very big corporate sort of tie-in where we'd get lots of free marketing for the film and stuff by doing this, but we were kind of worried that it might in some way detract from the tone of the movie to do this kind of silly tie-in. Yeah, it's not quite that, but yeah. And so we were like, and the director I've worked with Michael before, and we were like, well, and he was somebody that I do think is really cool and guides his career in a great way.

So we were just like, would he do that? Would you see him in this? And we're like, no, you wouldn't. So maybe if he now does some big corporate tie-in, I'll be like, ah, I was wrong. He totally would do that. He's the new spokesman for Sizzler. Yeah, yeah. He needs a cash influx, so we didn't know about it.

He does have an incredible integrity and then a pretty young career. So I feel like, you know, as we tape this today, or in the last couple days of Inishman you're doing, so in the last couple days of a play, are you more susceptible to mistakes? Like, where's your head at? Like, what's not to plant that in your mind? No, it's interesting that you say that

because we have had a cut, a few things recently, like, a few things have been going, I screwed up a line the other day for the first time in weeks, which is always one of those moments when you suddenly, because when you do, doing a play for a while, and I don't mean this to sound like you get terribly lazy and complacent, but you almost, there comes a point where you're, you're just going on muscle memory. Yeah, it's reflexive. Yeah, totally. And so you're not really thinking about it

overly and, or too consciously. And so when something does go wrong, you just almost hear the line and you hear it come out wrong and you're like, that's not right. I just, I definitely said some of those words in the wrong order. And, but it's, no, it's, and we've had a few people walking into doors, like literally coming in and out of the set in the last two days, we've had three people walk straight into the set, like, because they've been doing that thing of, like, trying to leave stage while also

saying goodbye to somebody on it, so they've just like... People are getting cocky. That's happened, like, three times, which is not to me, so I've just been sort of the one on stage laughing about it, but... So what is the worst nightmare from a theatre perspective for you? Is it forgetting a line? Is it literally falling off the stage? Is it... I think the worst nightmare for me

is actually just, like, is laughing. It's something that's not... Like an inside kind of thing. Like the other day, one of the people who'd come on and bumped into the door, I just literally heard, bang! And then them come on into the scene. And then I could see them. And they were actually having, they had to laugh in the scene. They were allowed to.

And so they were just using the laughter that they were really having, from having just walked into a wall in the scene. And so I was, but I'm supposed to be, like, sort of very, very sad at that moment. So that's the worst nightmare for me is that if I suddenly broke and started laughing, and then it's just so hard. In fact, actually, my worst nightmare with this show is something that, my character, he lives with a disability, and so there's a physicality down one side. And very, very early on in London, on like our third or fourth preview, I came in the door

and the door didn't open. And so just instinctively, I reached out and pushed it with my other hand, which Billy's not supposed to have the ability to use. And so, like, so that was probably my worst, however, because I was just thinking the whole time, I was, from the moment I came on stage, I had ruined the illusion of this character. So, but, you know, that, that happens. And we haven't had any sort of, you know, I've never had to have, you know, like a Patti-Lupon style rant at somebody taking pictures or anything like that. It's never got to, it's never quite got to that point.

My sense from you in the last, especially in the last few years, as we've talked more and more, frankly, since the end of Potter, it seems like you've been working nonstop. And my guess is that you're the kind of person and correct me if I'm wrong. Are you better when you don't have a lot of downtime? Or, like, do you not know what to do with yourself? Yeah, I think it's more that. I don't know what to do without, not what to do without work because I've just always had some sort of structure time just because of Potter and I've always sort of been on set and I've always been working or I've always had something to go on to or, you know, so it's, it's definitely something I just, I'm getting better at like, for the first time in my life this year I've actually gone, God, I would really like a holiday and I would really like to just like go somewhere and shit out for a while, which I'm going to do hopefully. But yeah, it's not something I ever want, you know, I like working, I like being busy, I like the sense of, you know, making a couple of films a year and that's just because that's what I've all, I know that's a ridiculously privileged position to be in, but it is what I've always done. So when you sort of start not doing that or, you know, or you worry about not doing that, it does, you know, it's just so different from the norm.

I've worked out the other day, I've been, you know, I've been doing this for, or acting in some way for like 15 years. now. So I kind of, there's never a time that I kind of don't want to be on set or don't want to be working on something. It just so happens that all the films that I want to make at the moment are like, tricky little indie. It's harder to get financed. But it's also interesting in that, like, I feel like thus far in your film career since Potter, a lot of the films, if not all of them, you've had a hand in helping develop, or they've kind of, like, they haven't been kind of like actor for hire jobs so much. Not many of them, no. right there's always been a bit of sort of me coming on board and then you know

with getting the financing together or getting yeah so I'm just curious like have you on the flip side have you auditioned for things that you haven't gotten like do you go out on additions yeah I mean I've got um I've I've auditioned something yeah I mean I did I had one one of those experiences and then I've had you know I have auditioned for like I auditioned for Kill your Darling's and I auditioned for a couple of other movies generally it's more like you sort of meet the director and have kind of meetings and stuff like that and I've had plenty of them where you know the directors like considering several people for a part and it ends up

not being you and that's you know that's that's part of it I've also because you're aware that yeah and this is a problem that actors have at every level there's all they're always sort of looking around at their friends going oh who am I always like who am I up against and who am I always sort of in those parts with and it's like it's an interesting thing is that any any part I get there's You know, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of fascinating seeing what, and also what, you know, because I think a lot of people are under the assumption that me coming on board of the film will help it get, and it's, and it's, and it's not like that instant at all. It is with some things, but with some things it's really not, and it's, it's, it's a battle to get as, you need as many names as you possibly can in something to get people, you know, interested in it, but it's, um, and if you want to do a black and white German expressionistic film, even if you're Daniel Radcliffe. Yeah, that's going to be.

That's going to be tough, you know. So, yeah, and the films I want to make are really challenging. So it's kind of, you know, or they're not, but people view them as challenging. But in the same way that people viewed horns as challenging, and, you know, we got that made. Yeah, yeah, and it's a depraved, wonderful piece of work that I saw in Toronto. Do you, so have you, I mean, are you good in a meeting or audition? Do you kind of have that out-of-body experience where, it's like, some auditions, I've heard a thousand stories of people where it's like, you have to like hide behind a couch and pretend you're in World War II firing a gun, you know?

It's like, it's kind of make-believe in the silliest way. I mean, I've always, I think because I have so much less experience auditioning than, you know, most actors my age would, I actually don't have the horrendously negative experience of auditioning, and I quite enjoy it. I always have, but I do think auditioning is like an incredibly hard thing for most actors, particularly, because, you know, most actors, that is just, that is their life. It's auditions and auditions and auditions, and it's like, one long job interview. It's like going to a thousand job interviews

and never getting a job but never hearing why. You know, that's there because, like, they don't, because, you know, they won't, I mean, you know, at least with me, they'll tell us what. They'll take the time to tell me why, but, you know, with a lot of actors, they wouldn't. So it's, you know, it's, it's a hard process. But I've always, yeah, I mean,

I've always, because of my limited experience of it, I've always quite enjoyed it. And I always quite like, you know, I've always had an awareness as well that, not so much anymore, but definitely when I would first come out of Potter that I saw the need for me to audition because nobody out there had really like seen me do anything but that one part so there was no reason for them to believe that I could do anything else unless I showed them totally um switching gears a little bit where you know

we're sitting in New York where we've sat often and you've done a lot of work and you know there's no crowd outside the window or anything which is nice that's nice yeah that's something you know you've talked about like this is one of the people I'm getting eyed up by these two truckers here but yeah but they're playing a cool you see the two only out of the corner of their eye. So when you go into a Starbucks in New York, do you say, do you say Dan? Do you give the name as Dan?

No. What's your Starbucks stage name? I think my Starbucks stage name is normally Spencer, because often it's Spence who ends up running to get coffee for me. Right. What did I? No, I think Dan is like a very good name. I don't think, this is kind of a good name for Starbucks

because it's not, there's no danger of it getting misheard and turned into something totally different from Dan. Right. Right. You're not going to get Flan or... No. I mean, if they do... If I do... Oh, G, Flan, that's probably my right. There's not probably someone called Flan here. I guess that's mine. The triple espresso shot, that's for Flan.

Yeah. Do you ever adopt a fake accent when you're out in public? Only, yes. Well, mainly just prefer taxis in New York because the name of my street that I live on has an R in it. And so if I say that with my English accent, no one understands what the hell I'm saying, and no one knows where to take me. So I have to get in and I pretend to be American,

but then I get so kind of, in my head, I go, well, I can't get in and be American and then, like, switch back to English because then he'll be like, who is this guy? What's going on in the back of my cab? So in my head, I'm like, oh, I should keep up the American for the whole journey, which means that then, like, friends call me and I'll pick up my phone

in an American accent. They'll be like, why are you, why am I talking to an American person now? But it's just because I can't get home otherwise. arduous nature of, I mean, most people, it's pretty easy to ride in a cab, but for Dan Radcliffe. I know, it's a tough life. It's a tough life. Do people ever, what's, how often does it happen where somebody recognizes you and just screams?

You know what? Not very often, but a couple of times recently. There was a girl on the street the other day that I was, I was outside some offices just standing on the street, and this girl just started screaming. And in a, but she was really sweet. And she, but then, like, I said to her, like, nice to meet you. and she sort of hugged me and then ran off and then like screamed

and came back 30 seconds later and then the other day she might just had Tourette's or something she might it's not I don't think I don't she really didn't seem to she was very together in sort of other ways but but then the great one the other day was

I was I went into a corner store and this there was like quite a large group of people on the outside of the store who I think it was like late at night and I think I'd like a bit drunk maybe or something and they recognised me and got really loud but very very friendly as well

so there was never a sense of oh god you'd be getting out of here they were like really really nice and then they were all like screaming this very large group of people and going in and out of the shop and then one person came in who was clearly not a part of the group

who was just like one of the MTA workers with the high-vis orange jacket on who just came in and said absolutely nothing to me and just walked up and just like put her arms around me and hugged me and then left and I was like it was something like it was genuinely it was odd but it was a very sweet sort of interaction

The silent hug. Yeah. It can be wonderful and creepy. Thanks. Thanks, darling. Bye. So you ever scream back? They scream at you?

No. That might have to fight that you kind of even out the equation. I think that's what you do with babies. Is that? I don't know. Like when a baby screams, you scream back and the baby's just like, what? That, I thought I felt like that was. You're going to be a horrible father.

I'm going to be a bright father. And I, so yeah, I think that's what you're thinking of there. I don't think if I did that to a fan, I don't think it would diffuse the situation. It would just make them think, God, I'm meeting this actor that I like, and now he's terrifying. How many arguments do you have a week with somebody insisting that you're not Elijah would?

Does it still happen? It's not a weekly thing. I wouldn't say it's weekly. I'd say it's happened on a few occasions, less and less, I suppose, but definitely like sometimes it'll be that I'll just get a Lord of the Rings thing shouted at me

from far and I'll just be like it's not okay I won't be bothered to tell you because it's weird I feel like if you go back and pick the guy off on his mistake right that launches into a hole yeah and he do you ever sign autographs?

I have signed once for him I've been given it it's normally that's the thing it's normally like at a press line at some sort of event with me just being given a picture of Elijah Wood and going and I mean I wrote on this one guy Because it was this as well, this was in Japan, so there was no time to try and, like, translate this. So I just said, I just signed it, like, I am not Elijah Wood, Dan O'Racliff.

But I've met Elijah Wood, and he, ages ago, this was, but he said that he'd been, he'd got recognized for me a couple of times, which, I don't know. I would have been a lot more pissed off than I've been him being recognized for, like, a 13-year-old boy. Right. Dan, I was like, people recognize me as Elijah Wood. That's awesome. I was thrilled. I'm a man. Yeah, exactly.

You just gave me like seven or eight years. This is fantastic. I have a few assorted, in our many conversations, I've never asked you a couple of Potter-related questions. If you'll indulge me. Did you, at any point in the course of making the Harry Potter films as a child, ever actually think you had magical powers? No, you know what?

I, the closest I came to actually believing that I had powers of any kind was actually around the time the first Spider-Man film was released. And I was like, I would just be, like, looking in the mirror, like, waiting for Webster's shooting out of my hand, like, you know, thinking that I was going to develop Spider-Man. I thought there was a very real chance that could happen. At, like, age 10, 11, you know. Right, right, right.

This is not the new Spider-Man about two years ago. No, no, okay. No, no, no. I just got in there with Dane. I was like, oh, man, this is amazing. Can you get me some of that stuff? No, but it was the original, yeah, the Tobre McGuire, James Franklin.

I want and I yeah I definitely thought there was a very real chance I could hopefully develop spider powers and then you know I me and my friends often had the debate of like what's the what is the perfect what is the perfect distance to be away from a radioactive blast so you don't just get like some terrible disease and you don't die but you do sweet spot a big superpowers yeah that's somewhere between like the after effect and like radiation poisoning and the immediate blast zone then must be a point and where you become superman This is important information.

No, we don't have any findings. We would have to set up a nuclear bomb and we don't have that kind of resources. It might be worth the sacrifice of millions of people in order to create a Daniel Radcliffe of superhero. Yeah, exactly. Or a man with a melted face. A man with a melted face, man. His power is to shock people and make people turn away. Yeah, it's terrible.

We've just created the saddest comic in the world. Did you ever fashion in Alan Rickman impression and did you ever do it to his face? No, I certainly didn't. There were, there would have been some people. That's the thing. I'm not a very good mimic. Like, I'm not a very good impersonator.

I think, I feel like as well, Alan Rickman is one of those people a little bit like Michael Kane where like everyone's kind of got an impression but none of them are actually very close. Right. Like everyone just does like a really deep noise for Alan. And it's not actually

Yeah, it's kind of like Yeah, but everyone sort of does do that noise And that's, there's a little bit more to allow a rem an impression than that No, it's just, that's all you have to do. You know, who did the best one I've ever seen was Bill Hader, actually. Hayder was a good one.

On that S&L skit that I did, that was like, yeah, that was, I was struggling to keep it to get them through that one, because it was so good. Did you ever in the course, again, you're growing up through the years, so I think you're, you know, hopefully you're maturing.

And part of maturing is, is using profanity, using adult words. Did you ever curse in front of Maggie Smith? Was there a point where you felt? She's got a terrible man. Of course she, you know, not terrible, but, you know, she swears. Of course she does. Well, of course she does, but I'm saying you were trying to.

Did you feel like you were comfortable? At what point did you feel comfortable, or you could swear in front of Maggie and Alan Rickman and these adults on set? No, I feel like that's one of the things that slightly shocks people about me when I meet them. or when I say shocks, that should be read as reminds me of the version of myself I played in extras

because I've grown up around like, you know, I grew up on a film set and they are occasionally quite profane places so I do, I do swear quite a lot and I also, I remember the most terrifying moment I had with Maggie

because even though I'd known Maggie for like 10 years by that point because I'd worked her on David Copperfield, I hit her with an umbrella accidentally on the last film because I remember there was this It was a really long day and it was pouring down with rain outside and it was like just a really long day and everyone's on set's faces were, you know, kind of miserable. So I ran in and I was trying to like, you know, I wasn't in the scene so I was just dusting about on set.

So I just sort of ran on and I said to the PA that was standing with Maggie. I was like, oh, could you give me Maggie's umbrella for a bit and I'll hold it over. I'll poke her eye out. And so I went over to try and just, you know, try and. enjoy the things along and just be like be stupid and uh within seconds had hit her in the head with like the sharp bit of the umbrella she been on set for hours and she was really it was one of those things where she was really good humor about it but i could tell that she might not if it hadn't been someone she'd known since he was a child um how much do you resent the fact

that that rupert grinton emma watson have not done full frontal nudity yet so you're the one that looks like a freak right i don't know if i look like a freak um i don't know i certainly look like the most enthusiastic sort of nudist of the three of us. Yeah, I don't it's not something I think about particularly who hasn't done you know, I'm sure some of the other

I don't have a chart with like... I have a chart for the entire Harry Potter cast. Oh do you? Of when they actually go new. That's worrying. I hope it's not the entire cast, Josh. Still waiting in Robbie Coltrane. That's all I'm saying. There will be yeah, no, I don't, I'm sure there'll be God help them if they ever decide to No, they'll, yeah, they'll, you know,

I'm probably blushing now, I've no answer to this question, I'm sorry, would be more comfortable doing this interview in the nude? I would, can we just get naked, please? All right, let's talk about your amazing movie, because I really did enjoy what if, I just saw the other day, and it occurred to me when I was watching it, like, the romantic comedy, it kind of almost doesn't exist, it barely exists now.

It's kind of like a genre that kind of fell by the waist. There's certainly some, but they're less than there used to be. Yeah, and I think it's because the, as an audience, you sort of become worn out by the same sort of tropes and cliche. And also there's a certain, a laziness in the way some of those films have written, where you're just like, ah, let's get this person, that person, and slam together and make some jokes, and, you know, it's not. I think that was the actual story meeting for how to lose a guy in 10 days.

you know what was my favorite title we were talking about like me and a friend of ours we were all that have a discussion about like the best the best like non-titles of movies and I believe my friend's suggestion and I haven't seen this movie so I apologize to any huge fans of this film

there was a film parent just called Love Happens there was which is Dan For Aniston film yes which is like I don't know what that film is but that title it just feels like they were in a boardroom and they just gave up there's just like love happens you guys well what is it about this movie love happens so yeah it's there it was so you know I I feel that there is like I don't know

there's what I love about our movie is that we don't you know we but we are by no means reinventing the wheel in terms of the genre of romantic comedy in some ways it's a very traditional story in terms of the structure and you know the characters but I just think that the care that was taken with the film and and the care to make it complicated and not just make it easy and not just make it like because in romantic comedies, all the big problems are solved by gestures of romance. Right. And if you're romantic enough, that will win the day.

Whereas actually, like, that's not life. Like, if you're, you know, there's a whole section in our film where Wallace, my character, flies to Dublin to try and win the girl. And, you know, in most romantic comedies, I feel like that would be like the gesture that gets us to the end of the movie. And we're running through the airport and we culminate in the moment. Yeah, exactly. I'm kissing and it's great. And, you know, in our, in our film, I feel like that,

In our film, I think we try and pay tribute to it would actually happen in that situation, which is that's a kind of crazy thing to do when you're not going out with somebody and when you've never said that you felt this way to them. So we try to, I think, pay homage to just... And also, another good example I think is the character of Ben, who's Zoe Kazan's boyfriend. Normally, in the romantic comedy, if you've got my character who's the guy and then he meets the girl and the girl has a boyfriend, girl's boyfriend is kind of dick

and like and it's just not a very and while Ben is hostile to me sort of understandably, their relationship is great him and Zoe's relationship is fantastic and he's good looking, he's successful, he treats her well like there's no need for her to break up with him and it makes it a genuinely hard decision so I don't think you know what

she's going to do and certainly you know even if there's a sense that oh these two have to end up together because it's a romantic comedy it's not without consequences and it's not just like oh we can ditch all these people and forget about the people we said we love before because now we love each other exactly it's also like a kind of a brave choice frankly for any comedy like you alluded to this but like it feels like everything has to be

high concept it has to be like oh in order to winter back he's going to dress as his own sister and like that feels right in a weird way nowadays that feels more typical I can I can see that in a multiplex more than like yeah smart people interacting in real life situations yeah I mean that's to me Zoe Kazan actually has a great um description of what this movie is, which is that, you know, in most romantic comedies where, like, the guy and the girl meet and then there's a big montage to, like, show them getting to know each other, this film is just the extended version of that montage. But it's, you see, you know, and being given that, that sort of, that voyeuristic view into,

like, people getting to know each other, that's such an intimate thing that to be sort of, and it's something we all remember from the beginnings of our own relationships, is that first moments when you sort of meet and realize that you get on and start, you know, taking the piss out of each other and, you know, making each other laugh and, you know, sort of skirting around the subject and all that stuff. Like that's, that's a really exciting time in people's relationships. And so I think it's a really fun one to watch. I think that's what people enjoy watching these characters.

I would bet that you go over really well with, um, uh, girlfriend's parents. You're good boyfriend material for grants. I guess so. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, maybe. I hope so. yeah i've not i've not pissed anyone off yet not yet not too much no absolutely i'm i think

yeah i'm i don't know i feel like that's a really boring thing to have said about you as well or like my girlfriend's parents would love you welcome to josh all thanks thanks you're you're really you know what i like about you down you're safe um there's nothing there's nothing tough edgy at you at all yeah there's just like you're totally inoffensive i really enjoy that nickname for you right now vanilla vanilla yeah i just i really i like someone with you no edge at all to them. No, man, yeah.

What would the one... Is there a perennial complaint from the girlfriends in Dan Radcliffe's life about you? What would be the thing to complain about? What makes you not a good boyfriend? God, there's so much. I mean, I'm really...

I suppose the perennial complaint would be texting. Like, I'm crap at just... What, that you're not a good text? I'm not a good texting. I mean, like... Do you not understand what LOL stands for? No, no, no. I mean, I get all of that.

It's just, I'm not as, I don't know, like, everyone in the world is used to a very, very fast rate of response from text, and I don't match up to that. Like, I'll just, I go, in my head, I get a text and they go, okay, cool, I've got that text. I'll do that later. You know, and sometimes I don't get to it. So I suppose that would be, like, that would be, like, the number one complaint, right, is, yeah. That and, yeah, no. I was trying to come up with something as ridiculous as I possibly could. but I couldn't think of anything.

You tend to, I don't know if you know this about yourself. You tend to talk fast. Yeah, I do. I would imagine on a first date or a situation where you're nervous, it must be at a light speed kind of thing. Or do you, like, slow it down so much? I think I've become sort of conscious of it because I two talk so fast,

and I don't notice that I talk fast. Right. But I've been made aware of it. I was actually made aware of it by watching interviews with me and Dane de Hahn together, where I was like, Jesus. Because he's at a totally. I seem like we are, like, at different frame rates.

So I, you know, I know that. So I think probably when I'm, if I was on a day, I draw it back a bit and try and, like, try and just so she has a chance of, like, registering what I'm saying and talking back to me. It's very considerate of you. Yeah, it is. I'm quite considerate. Is it one issue that popped up while I was watching the film is, do you think it's important, is it incumbent upon the guy to, you? initiate the first kiss? No, I mean, it's not incumbent.

Who the hell cares? No, just start kissing. Just all of you. Just start kissing. That's the lesson? Yeah, I wouldn't, I don't think there's that. I mean, I always, you know, I think I know a lot of girls have this thing about, like,

there used to be some sort of ridiculous thing about the guy has to be the one to ask you out. I don't think that's the case anymore, is it? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. I mean, I've been married for six years, so no. I don't know.

No. But, like, if, yeah, I just, I certainly don't think there's any way around it has to be. Right. Yeah. We talked about texting. Where do you come down on sexting, yeah? You know, I just don't get how that would ever be the culmination of satisfaction. You know, like, I don't, I can't imagine that.

I'm just texting. I'm still just texting. Right. Like, I can't imagine that ever getting to a place of actually, like, me being really into that. Right. I can imagine, like, sexting as, like, preamble to actual sex. You know, to, like, oh, when I see you later. Like, that kind of thing.

But not, like. Did we just get the first ever, what it would sound like? Yeah, that is how they all start. Ooh, when I see you later. Oh, when I see you later. Then I also become a 1950s English soap opera character as well I will take you in my arms

Yes But I don't know I can't imagine it is yeah anything but that really Are you saying you've never sent a photo of your penis To a loved one? Wait, you're thinking, uh-oh I'm thinking I don't think so

No, I don't think I have I think maybe no Interesting No Okay Good question though Thank you. So he's one in the patch.

Okay, so for the record, this is probably the touchiest subject we're going to talk about today. Okay. For the record, you brought up Katie Perry first in our conversations. Man, I know I did. I know I did. And then you sent me down the river on Ellen saying, I'm the one that. And send you down the river. I was just like trying to have someone else in here with me.

So I was like. Always used it. Yeah, because it was. And it was really the, I totally was using you because I knew you. So I was like, oh, I can totally, I can rope Josh into this. But it was, it was one of those things where I was just like, you know, we joked about it. And it was something that just, like, I would rather answer questions about drinking. Right.

Like, not quite, but like, it's the ubiquitousness of that question, or ubiquity, of that question has become, like, and I thought it had died. I so thought it had gone away. And then the other day, it just all stuck. It's somebody else asked it. And I was like, oh, man. Because also, the point where we got embarrassing was when. like Katie Perry was obviously

getting asked about it and she had to issue some response I was like no no this is not this is like every person's nightmare come to pass this is not this is not how I want to like you know you're going to appreciate the next set of question so I call this game deal breakers

and here's the scenario I'm going to give you sharp enough to make you some scenarios and you tell me if this would be a deal breaker for you for instance Katie Perry says she'll date you but you have to be a vegan. That's totally a deal-breaker.

No, I would not, I would not be able to take Katie Perry if she made me be a vegan. Wow. Why is that? Because I would die. You would die. I would die. You know, I wouldn't be able to eat enough of

vegetables and fruit and things that I could eat to sustain myself. Okay, okay. Katie says she's going to love you forever, but you have to give up all your money. Deal breaker. Yeah, I mean, money's, yeah, that's not a... And she's got some cash.

You can lead on her. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I can totally just like, live off of a, well, pool. Okay, a couple more. This is not making, yeah, this is going to make it much worse now, Judge. I know, I know. But I brought you a scone.

Thanks. I haven't touched it. You haven't touched that water I brought you. Okay, Katie says she'll be a generous and devoted lover to you, but you have to act as Harry Potter in the bedroom. That may be a deal breaker. Really? Yeah.

I'm really, uh, I'm really, uh, I would not be into that to say the least I cannot imagine what my reaction would be if anyone ever asked me to do anything like that but I think I would like immediately lose my erection so I know you can't say it to me

but I'm just want to make you laugh now so this is sad I think this officially puts an end to the perspective the non-relationship between Daniel Radcliffe and Kitty Perry has come to an end well yeah and with these hypotheticals she's so hypothetically high-maintenance.

This is a nightmare. All right. A couple other random things. Have you still not seen Star Wars at all? No, but you know what I saw the other day? For the first time ever, Independence Day. I know it's not the same thing at all. It's not the movie.

They're movies. They have bad guys. Did you enjoy Independence Day? I loved it, yeah, thanks. See, that's a very politician's thing. Just like, answer the question you wish was asked, not the one that was asked. Unfortunately, I'm just semi-good at this.

I'm going to follow up. No, thank you. But no, I absolutely loved it. It was, it's such a good movie. It's like the best version of that movie. Exactly. And then, I like the fact that, like, Roland Emmerich liked the scene where the plane took off just with, like, the fire behind it so much that he did that, like, three times in 2012. Well, and he's, like, one of the White House, like, three different times in his movies.

Yeah. That's, I mean, that's awesome. That's a whole of a signature move to have a filmmaker. And to have, like, multiple, to have at least three shots across two films where planes take off of burning run. ways, is that's, you're doing something right. David Lean didn't do that. No, David Lean didn't do that. But also, and I probably sound like I'm taking the piss, but genuinely, Independence

Kay was like just so funny and well-cast. And, like, it's brilliant. Oh, please, the Doe Holman speech? Oh, man, I was ready. I was ready to go. That was like, Ken Brander and Henry V. I was just like, yes, let's get France. Let's do it.

What was the, but no, Star Wars, I still haven't seen Star Wars. No, I know it's terrible, like, like, I'm getting. What's the, what's the issue? I don't understand. You understand. You understand. You understand. We can't be friends because my life is built on Star Wars.

But now, like, the pressure to like it is so great. And I will watch it. You know, it is going to happen. I'm not going to die without watching it. But I will, you know, the pressure is just so great to like it now. But I'm just like, what if I'm secretly terrified that? What if I don't? I'll have to have this conversation.

I was like, yeah, I don't really get the boss. Like, I don't, I'm not sure. Do you know the basics? Do you know, like, a difference between like an Ewok and a Wookie? I know Ewarks are little guys. Wookie's very large, am I right? I mean, okay, so you know all you need to know about Star Wars. They have hair.

They're both fairly hairy. And I know people have Wookie impressions. Very few people have EWK impressions. Right. I've never seen somebody go, oh, that sounds like an EWalk. I've heard lots of people go, oh, you sound like a Wookie. Right, right, right. In Jess, perhaps...

He walks on this side of their own Wookiees on that side, by the way. Separate, always. They don't get along. Oh, they're not? Okay. That was good, then. I don't know. What was this about the back?

minute robin thing? Was this just something a flippant thing you said? Another flippant thing I said. Why do you say these things down? Because when you do interviews, you're faced with a choice to either be the most boring person on earth or just get ridiculous things written about

you from time to time. Sometimes it might be good to be boring. It might be because like I get bored of myself. I get him myself being boring. I can just say something crazy like you want to play a James Bond villain. No, I don't think that's not the thought process. But no, I was just like, I was in

an interview and they were like, what supervillain do you want to play? Yeah, and they were like, what supervillain do you want to play? And I was like, um, I don't know, like, without, because they've already done Spider-Man and a Daredevil's being done at the moment and the flash is being made into a TV show. I don't know, they've all been taken. So I said the only one I could think of that hadn't really

recently had an incarnation, which was Robin. That's good. And, you know, and then it's like, Dan Radcliffe lives and breeds been the hopes that one day he will play Robin. How big is your shrine to Robin, by the way? You know... There's a whole wing at the house? It's more, more...

Yeah, it's more from Nightwing now, actually. Good, you know your stuff. I'm impressive. I did. I liked Nightwing. I had a couple of those comics and I was a kid. Do you feel... Does your country still embrace you the fact that you...

Fair to say, you enjoy American football more than, as we call it, soccer? Yeah, I mean... Are you traitor to your cause? I mean... Because American football is so dismissed on the whole in England that when... when people interview me about it, and I said, oh, I'm actually a really big American football fan. They go, oh, really, are you cool?

And then just move on, because no one understands it, so no one has any follow-up questions. Like, everyone in England watches American football and thinks it's incredibly, like, how do you understand what's going on? They all say. And it's, you know, so it's, but yeah, I think there's a, I always feel weird,

like I was really glad that the World Cup was so good this year, so I could get into the World Cup because it made me feel quite English. Right. Normally I don't, I do really feel that, like, separates me from a lot of the, because I forget that, like,

everyone in my country, into football. And then I just, I don't know, like the Premier League is not, it is really exciting, really competitive, but I just don't find it the most exciting sort of continuous gameplay kind of thing. But you have definitely adopted. You do love American football. I love American football. Can I put you to the test? I don't know if you know this as well as you claim to. Let's try me. But I'm just curious, and this is hard actually. Okay. Can you literally, I think you said this to me or someone else once. Can you name every starting quarterback from last year for every team?

Yeah, I think so. Okay, I've got the list. Have you got the list? Oh, really? Awesome. Okay. All right. So, I'm going to, can I name a team? Yeah, sure.

Good way to do it? Okay. Dan Radcliffe challenge every quarterback in the NFL. Arizona Cardinals. It was Carson Palmer. Atlanta Falcons. With Matt Ryan. Baltimore Ravens.

Joe Flacco. Buffalo Bills. It was E.J. Manuel with, I think Fad Lewis came off. Okay. Caroline Panthers. Cam Newton. Chicago Bears. Jay Cutler and Josh McCown took over

and he's now with the Bucks Cincinnati Bengals and Dilton Cleveland Browns last year it was Brian Hoyer and Jason Campbell and Brandon Whedon Cowboys

was Tony Romo and then Kyle Alton from there I'm going by the end of the season Okay cool so you're asking for their starting and backups is fine

Denver Broncos Peyton Manning Detroit Lions his backup's Brock Osweiler by the way I guess you're Don't show off. You usually are an American because you're showing on.

Detroit lines is Matt Stafford. Green Babe Hackers. Aaron Rogers. Houston Texans. Houston Texans was, oh, hold on. Case Keenham. I don't have that. I don't have that.

I'm pretty sure it was Case Keenham and maybe... Matt Schultz started the season. It was Case Keenham by the end. Indianapolis Colts. It was Andrew Locke. Jacksonville Jaguars. Blaine Gabbard. No. I don't have that.

He would have done for some of it. Chad Henny? Yes. Okay. Kansas City Cheaps. Alex Smith. I don't have that either. You don't have Alex Smith? Is the Kansas City Chief Chief Chief Chiefs quarterback? I mean, like, he really was. Who do you have?

No, dude. I don't know where that's come from. Okay, we're going to get up and we'll connect it. Miami. Ryan Tanner Hill. Almost there. Minnesota Vikings. Christian Ponda. And...

Matt Castle. New England Patriots. Tom Brady, New Orleans Saints, Drew Brice, Giants, Elon Manning, Jets, Gino Smith, Oakland Raiders, Terrell Pryor, Philadelphia Eagles, Nick Foltz, and Michael Smith, Steelers, Steelers, Ben Rutherstburgger, oh my God, we have six more I think. There's a lot of teams, yeah, Chargers, Philip Rivers, 49ers, Colin Kaepernick, Seahawks, Russell Wilson, St. Louis Rams, San Bradford, San Bradford, have um sam braff you guys oh um you would have oh man what's his name dude oh i'm so sorry i'm so sorry he came in and he did all right as well oh and the coffee almost went um don't destroy the table what was the fucking name was a guy oh i feel so bad for this guy because i've literally remembered every single other person who plays in the NFL now and i'm gonna he he came in and he did well

as well and I apologize to Kellynne Winslow No, Kellynne Winslow, Kellynne Clemens Kellynne Clemens Kenlewinslow is a tight end Get out of my fucking country! Oh man, this is, this is all I almost did, I almost had it

I didn't know that was almost it. You did three more Buccaneers? Oh, that was Mike Lennon. Tennessee Titans Titans was Jake Locker and Ronkerspatrick? Yep, and Washington Redskins. And Ardney 3, Robert Griffin III, and Kurt Cousins. Yes. Okay.

I'm so sorry, Kellynnex. Like, I'm going to draft you in your fantasy my fantasy team next year, even if you're not playing for anyone just to have you because I feel bad about this. Do you want to do an end zone dance? You did pretty well. I have no touchdown. I'd be one of those guys. You just give the ball back to the ref. I like those guys.

That was amazing. Thanks, thank you. You actually just came up with, like, my favorite... If I could pick an interview segment, if I could pick something to be kept on, it would be NFL trivia or, like, naming elements that begin with a certain letter. Like, those would be my ideals. Do you think your love of football is the most American thing about you?

About me? Probably. My love of football, my love of diners as well is maybe. The thing of a diner is something we don't really have in England. Until I, like, have embraced that full force in this country. What's your diner meal? Just, I mean, like... Nobody goes to the diner for the ambiance, do they?

No, I suppose not. Omelets and burgers and pancakes and just all that kind of stuff really. You have a disorder. I've also found a place because my quest since filming What If in Canada has been about trying to find somewhere in New York that sells like an equivalent to Putin. Right. And I found that they're just called disco fries here. I didn't even know that. Is that true? Yeah, dude, Putin is disco fries in America.

Does everyone, if you want protein and you would think, you want disco fries, that sounds weird. Just order them. It's great. Wait, and you're a fan of Poutine? I love it, man. I don't know. You don't know? I can't get behind it.

Really? Why? What's not... I mean... I like French fries. Yeah, you like gravy. I like gravy in moderation. I like bacon.

You can put bacon in there, which I do. I like cheese. You like cheese curds? Well, I like like nach cheese. Okay, you like mozzarella cheese? I do like... Because that's basically like... That's what they put in disco fries is just mozzarella cheese.

Okay. It's mozzarella cheese, fries, gravy, and if you're me, a bit of bacon. It's a heart attack on a plate. But like, when you... I'm not the kind of guy like when you get the nachos and it's like the nacho supreme and they put every freaking thing in the kitchen. Yeah. I don't need that. No. I like to know every component of my dish. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I agree with that. Why are you injuring your body? I'm telling you, this is like the ghost of Dan Radcliffe future telling you, stop eating disco fries, Dan. I mean, I don't know that I can though. Stop eating disco fry. Okay. Can you imagine if this has been...

This is what's going to happen to your body. You're going to turn it to me. It's got to go... But no, I don't know. You're first. I mean, I don't know. You're first. First of all, you're in fine shape. I'm in great shape. They can't see the bottom, it goes just that like this. But it's, you know, I'll be, I don't know, at some point I will have to like eat better. Right. But not now.

And bring on the disco fry. Yeah. They definitely don't tell them here. No. This is a much nicer restaurant. But it's, yeah, yeah. It's like an ironical, no, an ironic disco fry here. fry here they probably would serve like a I know I'm sure the post-modern disco

you know what my favorite word is that's on that I've come to learn on cooking shows just means I like fucked up which is deconstructed which that's the thing is like I feel that the food couldn't food network has sort of revealed there's like let out the food industry secret by showing us that like when they just grew up and it's all gone wrong they just call it deconstructed even I'm sure there are genuine deconstructed things but it's not on not on Cottero kitchen No, no. Is that your...

That and chopped. Yeah. Interesting. You've watched Cutthrow Kitchen? I'd never. You'd be so into it, man. Really? You really would. It's great.

I like the Bravo shows. I like the, you know, top chef. Yeah, yeah. Cutthrow Kitchen's amazing because they'll come out and make somebody try to, like, make a meal. But instead, like the other day there was literally a guy who had to, didn't have any utensils or bowls. They took away all his bowls and utensils and made him use a golf kit, like golf clubs and stuff. He had to cook with them. And he actually did a half decent.

job. Like, I really, you know, it's, it's ridiculous, but it's amazing. And Alton Brown, there's my first contact with him. Right. So he's, he's super cool. It's funny because like the reality shows, I feel like, I mean, we've been saying this for years, but they're getting more extreme in that, like, someone was just telling me about a reality show where not only did they drop you in the middle of nowhere, but you're now naked. It's like they're called naked and afraid or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what can we do? I thought we might have reached peak dating show with that, um, I want to marry Harry, which I didn't see any off, but when people were like,

I couldn't believe that where those girls were like, and I guess they hadn't been told that they weren't really going out with somebody who's just a lookalike with Prince Harry, and then at the end they tell her, but like it's crazy. Along those lines, a few years back, five or six, this is, actually this is probably even older, seven or eight years, there was a really good reality show that I recommend called the Joe Shmo Show. You ever heard of the Joe Shmo's show? Look this up,

where it kind of turned it on its head where everybody was an actor except for one guy who thought he was on a reality show with a bunch of contestants and he was competing with them and it was basically like Truman's show it was like a created world for him Oh, that's kind of brilliant

and it goes back so far that Kristen Whig was like in the original cast that she was for SNL and up until the last episode he finally finds out that he's been living in this crazy like... Oh, cool! See, that's like taking it to its logical conclusion

It also is arguably screwing with the man's brain and... Yeah, maybe. Maybe. but like let me watch it first then I'll decide if I disagree with it so as we talk I'm going to see you soon in Comic-Con yeah I know

first Comic-Con I'm slightly terrified you should be that wasn't what I was hoping for really oh sorry no no it's gonna be fine what can I expect expect the unexpected I mean you know thanks to Potter actually you're in ear to everything

you'll be able to handle it but it's it's a lot of passion Yeah, it's good though Yeah, I mean, I'm excited for it And it's the right crap for horns, certainly Yeah, absolutely But I'm excited to kind of I'm scared that, you know,

the last time I read the Horn's book Was a couple of years ago now Right And I'm just scared that it's going to be like The scene in The Simpsons where You're going to be tested on it basically Yeah, basically Yeah, exactly, it stands up and like

In episode, it's fourth or thing or something You know, um Just throw it over to Joe Hill It'll be fun Yeah, no actually, that's what it will do He's with me So I can just say, you're asking something about the book ask that guy.

The next gig you're going, are you going to be streaming this in Tokyo? Are you going to, or is that still up in the air? No, still up in the air. Everything's a bit up in the air at the moment, to be honest. I'm trying to, there's hopefully a film that I should be hearing about within the next couple of weeks,

but it's like this process of getting it going has been so long that at any moment I feel like we could, you know, it might not happen, but I think we're almost going to. It's that thing if, you know, all the time we've, been meeting with all always discussing like

oh no you choose such interesting things and different things and that's great but it's a double edge thing where it means that it's in terms of getting them financed it's a lot harder finding people that want to finance like a movie that is you know more challenging for audience but it's definitely

it's worth the effort and I'm in a position at the moment where I can fight for those kind of films to happen and to be in them so I mean that's what I'm going to do and already eyeing like I mean because you have to kind of plan way ahead especially for these kind of on Broadway or in the West End. Are you already thinking as you wrap this one up

or for the next one? No. I'm not thinking about doing a play for at least, you know, at least a year, probably more like, you know, 18 months to two. I think, you know, we had a great run in New York. We had a great run in London last year and that's like, but it's hard work and I'm ready to like go back into my bread and butter and hopefully make some films again.

That would be great. Thanks for having my scones. That sounded wrong. We didn't, we didn't touch them. touch them but we might take them away I will find someone that wants them and thanks for the water that I brought thanks for the water liar yeah you're welcome you're sorry for the Katie Perry man it's just gonna it's gonna carry on till one of us dies right that's a good way to end it yeah it's good to see

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