Happy Sad Confused - Daniel Radcliffe, Vol. III

Episode Date: May 27, 2020

If you were given a hundred guesses as to what Daniel Radcliffe's comfort movie might be, "Get Over It" probably wouldn't make the cut but there it is! Join Josh and Daniel for this deep dive into the 2001 teen comedy, plus Daniel talks for the first time about his new podcast, "Cunning Stunts"! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and his new podcast, Cunning Stunts. Hey, guys, I'm Josh Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. There's no stunt work on this show, unless you count zooming every week with you, Sammy, that's a stunt in and of itself. Yeah, I mean, watching you set up a Zoom and probably plugging in your microphone is probably risky for you.

It is. I mean, I feel like I'm really putting myself out there. You have to reach your arm a little bit. You just sit up and stand up from a chair. I'm winded, just thinking about it. I am very thrilled to say that Daniel Radcliffe is back on Happy Second Fein's today. Oh, my God. We love Daniel around here. He's been a frequent guest over the years, and he is back this week, not only to talk about his comfort movie, which, if you heard the opening intro, is maybe a surprise to you, the classic that is, get over it.

We'll talk about that in a second, Sammy. But he's also here because he has a new podcast. He's infringing on our territory, Sammy. How do you feel about this? Well, it's like, we might as well quit. Yeah. What's the point? Many have asked us to do that before, and many will continue to do so.

But now it's embarrassing. I know. I know. You could listen to his beautiful voice, or you could listen to our abrasive voices. So it's like, what's... Not to mention, he has a lovely new idea for a podcast. It's him and his friend, David Holmes. It's called Cunning Stunts.

It's available on iTunes or wherever you get your podcast. It has started. The first two episodes are up already, if not more. I've heard the first two. And it is, as you might imagine from the title, a podcast that celebrates stunt work in film and TV. Daniel obviously is well acquainted with this, thanks to primarily the Harry Potter films. And David, the host of the show, David Holmes, was Daniel's stunt double for, I believe, the first six Harry Potter films. To hear the story is remarkable.

And I frankly wasn't aware of this, though it has been reported before, that David sadly had a really tragic, unfortunate accidents when rehearsing a stunt for Harry Potter and Deathly Howliss part one, and subsequently has been paralyzed for the years since. That being said, I mean, I've listened to the podcast, I've seen videos of him, David has a great spirit and has lost no love for the stunt industry. And this podcast is truly a celebration of that facet of filmmaking. As I watched Sammy run away from the dog in her own. You're like talking about this, like, nice story. Sammy, people could only see.

I literally see her running from one end of her home to the other to get away from the barking dog. Anyway, this, truly, if you're a film fan like myself, you'll really enjoy this podcast. Again, it's called Cunning Stunts. And in each episode, David and Daniel talk to notable stunt performers and talk about the stuff they've done, the movies they've worked on, the misconceptions about stunt work. And really, as I said, at the end of the day, it's a celebration of this aspect of the industry that not enough attention is paid to. So fun geeking out with Daniel in this conversation about that, as well as his comfort movie, which, as you know, if you listen to Happy, Say I Confused, we're asking every guest to pre-pick a comfort movie we do deep dive on, and none has surprised me more than when I got the email back saying his pick was get over it, the 2001 teen comedy starring Ben Foster. Kirsten Dunst and Colin Hanks, among others.

Sammy, have you seen this movie? And Cisco and Shane, are you kidding me? This is one of my favorite movies. I have never seen it. You never saw it before? Well, now I have. I've seen it since, but I had not until two days ago. I know. They do midsummer nights during.

What do you mean have I not seen this? I love this movie. That's amazing. Well, you and Daniel have something to talk about the next time. He loves this movie too. The movie is hard to come by, by the way. It's available on Cinemax, like the Cinemax add-ons on your different, like Amazon subscriptions. Not anymore.

Nope. I looked around. Trust me. But yeah, we do a deep dive on Get Over, which apparently hit Daniel at the right time when he was like 10 or 11. And he was telling me he's probably seen it more than he's seen any movie. He quotes lines. He loves the cast. Oh, my God.

Yeah. That's incredible. I know. I know. That makes me so happy. So this was a super fun chat with Daniel. That's the main event today. Other things...

You think, like, on the set of the Harry Potter movies that he would, like, talk about it with Maggie Smith? Like, he would be, like, Gary Oldman, if he had ever seen get over it. This is why you really need to give me advice before I do the interviews and not after. Yeah, you blow it. That's my mistake. I did blow it. That being said, it's still an entertaining chat.

as it always is with Daniel. Other things to mention, oh, new episodes of Stur Crazy this week on Comedy Central, very excited about two guests we did for this week. Kegan Michael Key should be up by now by the time you listen to this. Check out that episode.

He is, of course, a comic genius, and he is charming and funny. He is permitting a new CBS game show called Game On, but this episode really plays to his strengths. He's hilarious in it. And later this week, I've been telling Sammy

don't underestimate the deadpan comic stylings of one Dakota Johnson. Your new favorite. I've always loved Dakota. But now you really love her after this. Well, I was hoping she would be as good as she turned out

to be in this format. You never know. But yeah, I think this one along with Michael Shannon might be my two favorite episodes of Sturtraising so far. Yeah. So if you're listening to this.

I'm telling Ben Schwartz, you said that. The problem is, Ben, you know what you're going to get. You know you're going to get a solid B. Always a solid B. You'll get a smile. A smile. A lot of hair, a solid B, a lot of enthusiasm. But yeah, Dakota, it's a special one.

So if you enjoy her and enjoy my work, check that out on Comedy Central's YouTube page later on this week. We also collaborated on a big event that's since been announced. We can at least say it's coming soon, right, Sammy? Yeah, very soon. June 5th is the day when many, many, many, a cast of thousands, if not 15, come together for a Teen Wolf reunion, the MTV show Teen Wolf. I don't want to say too much except to say, I think Teen Wolf fans are really going to get a kick out of this.

All the major players are there. And yeah, it's good. It was a love, it was a happy love fest. It was very sweet, very lovely. Yeah, I think fans are going to really dig it. And other, oh, I want to mention we're, you know, Sammy and I are always comparing notes on what we've been watching.

I've made the bold decision to listen to the world and get with it and finally catch up on Ozark. So I'm nearing the end of season one on that. Dark, dark show, not necessarily, I'm kind of looking for escape. It's not an escape. I wouldn't say that.

It's obviously very well acted and engrossing. And I'm frankly, primarily, not primarily, but one of the reasons I'm watching is I've heard such great things out of season three. So I'm hoping season two stays at a decent level and then season three really kicks in. But yeah, that's what I'm watching now. What about you, Sammy?

I've, like, gone to do Ozark so many times and it's just, it feels, I know that I'll love it, but it's like, it feels so dark. It's like such an undertaking. Let me ask you a couple questions. Did you watch, did you watch Breaking Bad? Yes, I loved Breaking Bad. Did you watch Bloodlines?

Yes. And you liked it? I liked the first season. Okay. I would say it's the love child of those two shows that reminded me most of those. Great. I mean, I love the bloodline cast. Of course, of course.

You're your team channel, or I'm team Mendelsohn. We've both got our loves in that one. Exactly. So yeah, so Ozark guys advertise is very good, and I'm hopefully in the next week or two. I will be all cut up and on some, maybe move on to something a little more comedic. I need some lightness. I've caught some new movies recently. Okay.

New releases. For the first time yesterday, I watched Gone with the Wind. Have you heard of it? Have you heard of it? They can't see, they can't hear you shaking your head. You know what? They can. They actually can because they all feel the same way I feel.

You'd never seen Gone to the Wind and you decided, you know what? We're in week, month three of quarantine. It's time to watch. Four hours to kill. It's time to watch a four-hour, wow. So what do you think of Gondel the Wind? A lot. I thought a lot.

I'm like still, I literally just watched it last night, so I'm still processing it. I'm very much loving a lot of, there's a lot of like, behind the scenes, factoids and trivia. It's maybe one of the most written about movies in history, just the search for Charlotte O'Hara alone. Yeah. And I had never seen. a Clark Gable movie before so um you stand Clark Gable are you a yeah team ret all the way yeah I was like Batman's had a hair I'm in um yeah it's it's it was pretty fascinating and what anything else was that that's your big commitment of the week uh I I watched Yantel all right

they definitely heard that sigh and shaking yeah you've seen that and I'm still doing West Wing You've seen Yentel before, yes? Long, long time ago. Okay. Yeah, you're in a Mandy kick right now, right? Well, I'm always on a Mandy kick. Yeah. But as I told you the other day, it blows my mind that he's never been in like a real moving musical.

Right. And I think, didn't I say, did I say this? No, I said Dick Tracy. Which is not a musical, but he doesn't sing in Yentel. He doesn't sing in Yentel. No. It's been a while. It's been a long time.

Well, he does sing in Dick Tracy. So get back to me when you get with that. yeah fine it's a good movie yeah okay it's just it's like i want him to sing sing well there's plenty of iTunes selections for that yeah i've been watching bootleg youtube so this concerts i'm sure we're all dealing with the insanity in different ways um all right on to the main event guys here's daniel radcliffe he is talking about get over it words i never thought i would say as well as his new as his new podcast cunning stunts again available on iTunes wherever we get your podcasts as is this one. So spread the good word on both of these worthy podcast pursuits

and enjoy this chat with Daniel Radcliffe. Well, here we are. Another edition of Happy Said Confused, a little bit different, but I'm happy to say that we have a returning guest. He's the notable actor, song and dance man, fantasy football enthusiast, master Lego builder. It's the one and only Bradcliffe. Thank you for having me. Yes, my Lego building has really become the thing I've known for in quarantine. It's something I realized I had to stop mentioning in pre-interviews because you can't say that to a producer on television without them going, well, can we see it?

And at a certain point, at what point am I just advertising for Lego for free? So I had to ease off slightly. Yeah, I have two people in my life that are loving Lego right now. It's you and my seven-year-old nephew. No, I mean, no judgment. No, there isn't. Like, I text, somebody texts me the other day a bit. after I sent them a picture of everything we've made,

and they said, you're a grown man, to which I text back, yes, a child could not do this. But, yeah, we've now got, so just to fully round out the picture in your mind, we've got Jurassic Park, Stranger Things, a little mini New York skyline,

a Fiat 500, the International Space Station, and last night we just finished building Yoda. So it's, we are now having to have conversations where we're like, well, I think we need to, the space where we build the Lego and the space where we keep the Lego have to become two different spaces now because we are, it's becoming, there's a lot. Yeah, sadly the audience listening to the podcast can't see you as I can, but I can see you're sitting on a giant Lego throne, which is kind of

overkill. I mean, it's incredibly uncomfortable, but it's a real status symbol. So we were just catching up a little bit before the official podcast began, but it seems like you're holding up as well as can be expected in these crazy times. Absolutely, you know, I mean, we're very lucky. Me and my girlfriend are together. I feel very, very bad for anyone who is having to do this alone. I know personally that I would be going absolutely crazy if I was alone. So, well done to anybody who is alone and not.

Or even if you are alone and are still, well done for just getting through. And it's, yeah, but so we're okay. You know, I'm just very, very happy to be where I am. What is occupying your time mostly right now besides the fun leg of the stuff? I mean, are you watching stuff? Are you trying to like work or are you embracing this as a time to kind of just not put any expectations on yourself for what? Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sort of trying to get work done whilst also letting myself fall back on the expectation that nothing really matters right now. So I'm, you know, I'm writing. I did actually like finish a draft or something which I'm very happy with. But I would also say, because I sent it to somebody and they were like, whoa, you wrote a whole script in quarantine, well done you.

And I was like, no, no, no. I started this years ago. This just gave me the opportunity to finish it. But that's pretty much the only, like, productive thing I've done. I've done a lot of press. I've been doing, I had the Kimmy Schmidt special account on Netflix. So there was a lot of press around that. But sort of on a day-to-day thing, we've sort of got quite a good routine of, you know, we'll get up, do our late hour of working out. in our living room, sort of, you know, just, if we have an errand to run that day, then run that errand and then come back and watch. We started off with a list of films that either one or the other of us had not seen and sort of trying to work our way through that. We did that for quite a few weeks. That's sort of an ongoing project. We then slipped into Schitts Creek, which was a huge comfort, and I've never seen it before. That was my first binge of the quarantine.

Yes, mine too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd never seen it. You didn't watch it either? Yeah, no. I literally, I'm really bad at watching stuff that I know is many seasons long because I sort of hate the commitment of that. And I, if I get into it, I'm like, I want to know what happens,

but if I hate it, I want to watch it, and I won't enjoy it anyway. So that was my thing. And then I was like, we were building some Lego and Aaron just put on some shit's creak, and I was like, hmm, this is pretty funny. And it was it, we were in like season three, and I got to the end of season three, and I was like, what would you say to just starting it all over again? the beginning and then we went back to the beginning and started and now we're and now we've

watched all but the final two episodes because we don't want to finish it because we we just want them still to come in our lives so but i think the time's going to come when we have to watch that soon and and the other thing that we've also gone back to the very beginning on and now just have started watching uh beginning to end is fraser um i've heard you mention that yeah fraser is just great cheers cheers was the sitcom of my childhood that i embraced that was my favorite uh sitcom of all time and I remember liking Frasier, and I know many people who I respect and whose judgment I respect

talk endlessly about Frasier, so it's one that I definitely probably should go back to. It's really, it's really impressive. It, you know, it, look, it suffers from, I'm sure, lots of the things that, like, people talk about, you know, shows of that era, like friends or, like, lack of diversity and all that stuff. All those problems are, like, absolutely there and exist.

However, I am very impressed by, the ability to build a show around people who, like, should be inherently very unsympathetic. Like, Frasier, but the whole thing is about just, like, Frasier can be as much of... Can you swear on the podcast? Yeah, I can swear on the pocket, right? Frasier can be as much of an asshole as he likes,

and Niles can be as big a snobber as he is, because you always know they're going to get taken down a peg by life in the end, and sometimes so quickly, and their snobbery and their arrogance is always the cause of their downfall. It's also just like I could watch David Hypeas do almost anything. I, I, I, I, the amount of times I, yeah, I just, I think he's incredible on that show. And so yeah, that's a real, that's another great pleasure. So yeah, we started off trying to challenge ourselves with films and we've just like

gotten further and further into just like comedy with laugh tracks and things that are comfortable and nice. Well, that's exactly, we'll get into that in the latter half of the podcast to our comfort, um, watches. But before we get to that, I was excited to learn that you're kind of coming into my territory a little bit in a tangential way. You're part of a new podcast that I've enjoyed the first few new episodes of it just started. It's called Cunningstance. And you have a very close personal connection to this. Tell me a little bit about your friend and how this podcast came about, how your involvement came. Yeah, absolutely. So on the Potter films, one of my best friends was my stunt double called, he was a guy called David Holmes. We met when I was, I guess,

11 and he was 17, which is one of those amazing, because at the time we met and I was like, he was this like a towering adult in my life. And I was like, you know, you're so much older and have so much more life experience. Now we're just like two guys in our 30s, which seems very interchangeable. But yeah, so Dave was, you know, a huge part of the films for me. I will never get to do more stunts in my life than I got to do on the Potter films. And from, I found this out recently, so apparently on, like, day one or two of the first film,

the stunt coordinator saw me swing a bat during one of the, like, the Quidditch scenes and immediately turned to Dave Holmes and went, we're going to have to do some work with him. Because literally, not even swinging a bat at a ball, just swinging a bat in the air, The stunt coordinator was like, he needs some help. He's a super project now, David.

Yeah, basically. So Dave, Ben was, like, put in charge doing, like, three, probably half-hour sessions with me of, like, gym stuff every week and every lunch. So it started off three times a week. We'd go down to the stunt department and just, like, mess around on mats and doing stunts and board roles and somersaults.

And it just became a feature with the film. So we did that every day for eight years, I would guess. And then, so on the, so Dave was my stunt double through all the first six films, anything truly dangerous that you saw Harry doing that time was done by him. And there were a couple of other stunt levels as well, but Dave was the main one.

And then while he was testing a stunt for the seventh film for Deathly Hallows Part 1, which is the jerk back through the wall in the Nagini fight scene, I believe he, there was a, tragic, awful, and freak accident, and Dave ended up getting paralyzed from the chest down. And at the time, it was something that, you know,

it just didn't seem real. Like, I'd known stunt men to have injuries before, and I'd known, you know, you were aware that things can go wrong, but the actuality of that happening seems so far from being a possibility that for it to happen, and then just to happen to one of, not as my best friends, Dave was a, uh, I can't kind of emphasize enough how for somebody who'd only been in the industry at that point for about, you know, 10 years, he was very sort of industry famous.

Like everyone knew Dave Holmes and everyone knew who was my stunt double and he was just a, and he is still, but he was, he's an incredible character. Um, at the time he was also incredibly cocky when he first came into the industry. He was like this unbelievably good gym there. who was, you know, was doubling the lead actor on the huge series of films at the age of 17. So, yeah, he was going to be quite pleased with himself. But he was also just like an amazingly hard worker

and a brilliant stuntman. And so there was a real, you know, many people were really affected by what happened to Dave. Obviously, nobody more than Dave himself. And, you know, as awful as what happened was, The way Dave has dealt with it and has, you know, the sort of person he's become in the 10 years since the accident has been just this incredible sort of inspiration to everyone else in his life. And Dave is still incredibly passionate about stunts. And I think one of the hardest things for all the other people in his life to see is that he's like that he doesn't have the same outlet for this incredible passion that he has as he used.

you by doing it. So the podcast really came out of just wanting to, you know, all of us in Amy, I have to mention Amy Stairs, who's the producer of the podcast, who's, you know, been sort of the driving force behind it in a lot of ways because Dave and I as individuals are very hard to organise. So Amy, it's been the person that's been sort of pushing us in all the right ways and made it happen. But so we, yeah, we've all wanted to sort of find something that we can work on with Dave that sort of still allow us in. to have that connection with the thing that he loves. And this seemed just like a very, you know,

when you, my advice to anybody who is starting life on a film set is seek out the stunt department, because they are the most fun. I mean, there are lots of departments of fun, but generally speaking, like some of the best times I have had on a film set is just sitting around listening to stuntmen tell each other stories of their lives and sort of reminisce about stuff. So we kind of just wanted to recreate that in the podcast.

and with the slight hope that because it's Dave and because it's me and I know a lot of the people that we're interviewing as well and all the people that we've interviewed so far know Dave very well that there'll be a slightly greater degree of like openness because it's not, you know, it's sort of you're talking to a peer

rather than talking to someone. I think there is a, there can be a slight, people on film sets have almost been slightly taught to be slightly suspicious of journalists just because they're like, you never know what, And it's, you know, it's funny when I knew that I was talking to you today, I went back and looked at a couple of the articles that came out originally, like, straight after the accident.

And you go, oh, yeah, that's why people are reticent to talk to people, because, you know, there's, there's always an awareness that it might be, like, one of the articles was like, The Curse of Harry Potter, and there's wanting to take a very individual and unique, tragic thing. And actually, there were, you know, there were a couple, you know, we had a guy, a cast member, Rob, that was tragically also murdered. But those two things are, but like the press will not tie them into a Harry Potter class narrative is so diminishing to both of the actual things of what happened there.

But, yeah, so that's sort of the idea was that we would start off by just kind of talking to some stunt people that Dave loves and respects. And so the first series, we started off with a guy called Derek Lee, who is, an incredible loose. We started off with him because we thought, well, he had, one of the questions we asked everybody was to sort of give us a list of their injuries. And Derricks was the most insane, I think, we ever had.

He's also just kind of an amazing storyteller. And he's somebody that people might recognize if you have some of the same, like, nerdy, predictions as me. Like, I don't know if there was a history channel movie called The Crescent and the Cross years ago. I've had the Crusades. And Derek played Richard Lionheart in that, I believe.

So you're sort of like Derek's got a face that I feel like people will probably recognize as well. So yeah, that's the gist of it. Well, it does. It does feel like exactly, it sounds like what you guys are going for, which is it kind of feels like you're eavesdropping on a conversation on a set of like comparing war stories

and like how crazy was that. But it also struck me like listening to the first couple episodes and I think one of the guests, there's, I think there's a husband and wife who's on the second episode, right? Yeah, great idea. Talking about how there's kind of like this like misnomer that they're like daredevils,

that they're like, they're like seeking like, sure, there's obviously a lot of chutzpah and ego involved, but it's, um, they're almost like more athletes. Um, and, and, and take their work obviously so seriously because it can be life and death if they, if they're not exceptional at their jobs. So I think it's a great, it's a, it's a great show in that. it kind of pulls the curtain back on some of the preconceived notions

that people that aren't as intimately involved in the industry have. I think the thing that, the two things that I think I would have to that, there are some stuff. I think Dave is an example of somebody who is, Dave and Tina are both, they're like, they are about precision and safety and that, you know,

I think there are some stuntmen that have a daredevil element to them. Like I know a couple who are also just like, there's because to be a stuntman in the UK you have to get onto something called the stunt register to do that you have to basically get to instructor level in six different disciplines I can't remember off the top of the head what they are but there's like a fighting one a driving one uh gymnastics something like you know there's all kind so you have to like you've probably done 10 years training in six different disciplines by the time you get to be actually called a stunt man um so there's an incredibly for the even for like the craziest person you've had to be

incredibly disciplined to like get where you are right um and yeah i think the other the other misconception about stunt men and stunt some people sorry to say is that they are um that there are some stuff like i remember the first time i saw someone do a stairfall uh which is you know again a stunt that a lot of stunt people will tell you that although it looks like quite a sort of routine kind of thing they're actually some of the most horrible things to do because there just isn't a way that you can fake it. There is no stunt there. You'll just have to be willing to do it.

And that actually goes for a lot of stunts. Like, there's not, it's, I think people outside the film industry think, oh, they found like a really super safe way of doing that. And actually, like, it probably just hurt a lot. And that, and that stunt person is willing to sort of take that. And, you know, they are, they are well paid. But, you know, when you spend time around Dave and you can see the actual cost, of what that can be.

You're like, yeah, they, they should be well-paced. Is there, is there, is there a stunt that you've performed over the years that, that you almost took pride in doing yourself? Yeah, massively. I know exactly which one is. I mean, there's, there's a few that I've done,

that I'm like, that was really cool. Some actors wouldn't have wanted to do that. But the one that I was like, oh, I will never get to do this again. And I, you can make an argument that I shouldn't be getting to do it now, is, was on the fourth Harry Potter film when I was like 16. and they, you know, as I said, I was really close

with all the stunt guys at that time and they had got me to do a lot of stuff in the past and during the Dragon Chase sequence, there's a about a 35 foot slide down a roof and the roof is like vertical, so, you know, you just hit the roof and slight sort of free fall down. And Greg Powell, our stunt coordinator,

and Davey said to me, you know, do you want to try it? Because it's on a wire. You're on a wire. You'll let go. You're in free fall and the wire catches you. you know, a couple of people before you hit the craft mat at the bottom. And the only thing you have to make sure that you're like,

you don't, you flex your feet rather than pointing them because if your toe hits and you can go out further than that. So there's a few things that, but, and at the time, I was, you know, so full of just 16-year-old bravado and wanting to impress my stuntman friends. I was like, yeah, absolutely, I'll do that. And I do remember getting to the top. They took you up in a cherry thicker.

I don't know what I called over here, J-CB, something. And I remember getting to the top and being like, oh, this is very, very high. And I did not, like 35 feet feels very high. Like Tina in our second episode talks about doing a 90-foot high fall from outside without a wire or anything. And that's, you know, that's another level.

But to me, say, if I felt it was like, oh, this is, people look tiny. I really, but we did it, and I did it three times, I think we did three takes. And after the first one, I was like, okay, that was terrifying, but I've done it now, I can do it again. And that's the thing.

And I will never be able to, I will not be allowed to do stuff like that again. So I'm very glad that I've had that opportunity to say. We're all the young actors equally gung-ho? I mean, I guess there is that thing of like you're so young, you don't realize how dangerous it is, and you have all that kind of like arrogance of youth. Like, we're Emma and Rupert and Tom, the whole gang. Do you remember them all equally?

Yeah, no, I mean, there's, we all, like, really enjoyed it. And we all had stunt doubles as well. Like, we, but any time that we'd be allowed to do something, I feel like we already got into it. And that was part of, that was really good joy of those films that I, I didn't fully appreciate it at the time because I did just think, oh, this is just going to be a part of filmmaking.

And if I keep doing films, I'll always be able to do these crazy action sequences. But yeah, no, I think, you know, Emma was always very physical. Yeah, I think we all, yeah, we already enjoyed that side of it. But I was, I was, I think, one of the only, because I was there, like, all the time. I was the only one getting sort of, like, regular stunt training. Got it.

Very lucky. One of the constant discussions in recent years when it comes to awards is a Oscars category for stunts. I assume I know where you're going to fall on this one, but do you think it should be recognized as an awards category? I do, but I think you have to be, I think there are certain things that you would have to take into consideration in that I think it would be a conversation would have to be had about how you I don't think you could give just like a best stuntman award like it would have to be like best sequence and then maybe in the same way that you know when makeup there's a few people from the department that are nominated you could have the coordinator and the I also think

there's it's interesting because I most of the stunt men we spoke to or are all very much in favour of you know we should be recognized and I I am absolutely of the mindset that these are literally the only people that put their lives and bodies are the line for name of entertainment on a regular basis. It's crazy that there's the Taurus Award,

which is fantastic, and I think SAG maybe has an award. There is another one of the big ceremonies that has an award, but for it not to be recognized in the sort of big, you know, when you look at the trailers of the films that people go and see,

like the people you are watching in those trailers are stunt. Like, for them, most part. They are the people that make the sequences of the things that make cinema are like a massive commercial success. So it feels crazy not to one of them. The only other thing I would add to it, though, is that you don't want to get into any kind of a situation where in an effort to get that award, stunt things get unnecessarily crazy and like people are competitive. That makes sense. Totally. So there's that something to be, so you'd have to

like structure it in a way where like individuals are not incentivized. to do insane stuff. Yes, yes. But, yeah, ultimately, the answer is yes, I don't. I think it's nuts that they don't have an awesome of that. But, I mean, you hit upon something that I totally, obviously agree with, of course, where, like, you know, I think of the movies that,

an action in particular that really resonates with me. It's the stuff, you know, CGI has its place, and certainly Potter and all the big franchises utilized it very well and used the best artisans in the world. But there's no replacing what feels like an actual human being doing something. I think of like, you know, I mention all the time, and any cinephile does, like, Mad Max in recent years, Fury Road, like, give that movie all the awards,

and it was all done virtually all, practically. I mean, that was why that was such a success is because there is something, there is something, like, thrilling and terrifying about knowing that that is a real human being. And, yeah, I mean, talking to, and there's also, talking to a lot of the song guys doing these interviews,

a lot of them have those shots that they are convinced that people still think were visual effects, but was actually them, and that's those are the most, because there is, now that we know we have visual effects, there's a tendency among us to be like, oh, that must have been a special shot. Whereas actually, I was, you know,

I'm sure he'll be one of the interviews we put out at some point, but we interviewed a guy called Dave Garrick, who was on, was one of the guys in the opening of the, the Bain Batman, I think, with Darryne-Ir-Risans. With Darna Rises, where the plane transfer at the beginning, like, hearing the story of that, it's just like, that's amazing.

Insane. And so, yeah, there are some, yeah, it's, it's just, they do unbelievable things. And it's often a case of, you know, things that have not been done before. Like, I believe in that case, particularly there was, you know, there's, they are working at how to do something that is unprecedented. and doing it for a film.

Like, you know, it's, it's, I, you know, some of the stories we've heard of people, like, you know, some of the dangerous stuff people have done for objectively bad films over years as well. Like, you know, and you just do it because they love being there and it's their job and it's, you know, it's, I just, I think they are some of the most passionate and like, they emit something

that is like best about the film industry. and while also simultaneously of, you know, sometimes suffering really tragic consequences in the name of something because, you know, we are to throw around a phrase that is used a lot at the moment but there is nothing about film that is essential. We are not saving lives

and yet these people are willing to like risk their lives and their bodies to make something incredibly special happen in the name of entertainment. So yeah, it's a, it's, just a great, it's a real, you know, it's an honor to know so many of them. And it's an, like, it's an honor to be Dave's friend. And, uh, I'm, I'm hoping, you know, that, that this is, that the podcast is kind of a, it is really just about sort of trying to shed light and, and honor all these amazing people. And hopefully, yeah, hopefully tell, show an audience a little

bit more about them. Well, it does, it does, I would venture to say, Phil's a, there aren't aren't many voids in the podcast universe right now. I feel like there's like a podcast on every single subject, but there was nothing as far as I know about this. And it seems like Dave is the perfect guy to be kind of our window into that world and to have, what do we call you? Are you co-hosts?

Are you a, are you a... I guess so. I mean, you guys like co-interviewer? Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like, I'm just along for the ride. I have to think, I, it's, at the moment, like, I've been very involved. in all of everything that's happened with the podcast so far.

You know, my ambition is for the podcast to continue, and I don't know that I will always be able to be this involved as I am right now. So I suppose I'm leaving myself a little, you know, it's Dave's show and I will help out when I can sort of thing. Fair enough. So another reminder for folks that are listening. It's cunning stunts. It's on iTunes, wherever you get your podcasts.

The first two episodes are up as we speak today by the time you listen to this, perhaps more. And it is well worth your time if you want film. much as Dan and I. Speaking of loving movies... Speaking of loving movies, let's talk about this classic. As you know, the focus of the podcast has changed, given our insane times, because we are looking for some comfort now.

So I've been asking all my guests to pick a comfort movie, and some have surprised me, some have not. You're in the former category, Daniel. Great, good. I'm no aspersions, no judgments here. I had never seen this movie. I was going to say, have you seen it? Yeah.

I have now seen it. I went back, I did my due diligence, so now we can have an intelligent, thoughtful conversation. Great. Tell us your comfort movie and why you selected it. Yeah, so I picked the movie Get Over It, which I think was released in 2001. And I, first of all, it's a movie I saw at the time and loved.

And I think I grew up, because it was one of the, it was one of the, it hit me at the right time for, like, teen high school movie. And so because I grew up and it hit me at that perfect time, I assumed it was a very famous teen high school movie until a few years later when I was like, oh, no, not as many people know this as I thought. But it has become something that, for various reasons, means a lot. But one of the things that happened was so me and my girlfriend,

this is one of the first things we bonded over because we met because we were on a film together that Ben Foster was also it. And so the first thing, night we all got together and like Ben was there and like me and Aaron were there and then like Ben left for a second and me and Aaron turned to each other and like I'm freaking out about meeting Ben from get over it and and both was like we probably shouldn't mention that right I mean I don't know if that's like he's done a lot of other stuff since and it's very different so I don't

know if that would be the film he would like us to pick or whatever so like I don't I can't actually remember if we did mention it to him in the end that not I did by the end of the film I had 100% mentioned it though but But, yeah, so that was, it sort of meant a lot, it means a lot for that reason that it's like now sort of our film. But I also, I think it weirdly, yeah, I watched it again last night. I do think it weirdly holds up. It is not, it is not a perfect film by any stretch of the imagination.

There is a lot of the sort of, you know, there's a lot of the like kind of gross out stuff of the early 2000s. There's a bit of, you know, there's a recurring theme in which a dog has sex within animal objects. There's lots of stuff that, like, it's not a mature, smart person movie in some ways. But in other way, I do think it's still brilliant. I think it's brilliant for a couple of reasons.

First of all, the aforementioned Ben Foster, like having Ben Foster's intense energy in a high school teen movie, there is just something brilliant about it. Like, in the same way that, you know, in the same way that I was talking, I haven't watched this, but like, having, like, I imagine Heath Ledger

in 10 things ahead about you. Like, having that kind of genuine, like, real kind of brooding energy in this kind of film is awesome. Here's an example. Sean Penn, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Right. Using all, like, these actors that have known for, like, such intensity and commitment, and to channel it

into something that might seem very frivolous and very dispensable. And, you know, that was what piqued my curiosity when I, because I vaguely knew of it, and then I looked it up and I'm like, wait, Ben Foster is the lead of a a team? Like, this is, Okay, this is interesting. And then just like him, you know,

there's one scene in a club where he is staring at somebody with like the, with his like three-tenth of humor stare and just like, it is, it is great. And he's, he's really funny in it. I mean, he's so, I think he's so charming in it. He also, like, has to do, like, some dancing and singing, like, he's, he's a wonderful, like, lead in the movie. The cast as a whole deserves, like, a mention

because it is insane by, like, today's standard. So it's Ben Foster, Colin Hanks, Kirsten Dunst, Zoe Saldana, Milakunis. Mielakunis. Cisco? You love that, Cisco. Cisco, I've looked it up, so this was just, this was fresh off the thong top. Right.

This was like... Oh, you froze up just as you were discussing the thong song, Dan. Let's see if you return. Oh, no, you're back. You're back. Yeah, he's, you know, he's, look, Cisco is not the most natural actor in every moment. He's got a talent. But he's also very charming and he has his moment at the end where he does fantastic dancing and it's great.

Yeah, I, also the fact that it is like, I mean, I think all the like mid-summer night dream stuff is like really kind of well shot in that exit, where it does exist both as like a school play and, sort of fantasy world. But the thing I would say to anyone who's like, I don't care if you hate the rest of the film. The entire film is worth it for Martin Shorts. Like, the, I,

there is not a scene or a moment that he is not, there is not one scene where he does not make you like laugh out loud, uproariously, like, at least a few times. He, of course, plays Dr. Desmond Forrest Oates, which it does feel like there's a

a Guffman influence, maybe. This came a couple years after waiting for Guffman. Oh, right, yes. I suppose so, yeah. I mean, yes, very much. So I wrote down a couple of lines that he says. Wait, before we go any further, before we get all the way through this, I want to mention just a little general information

for the audience. They're not familiar, we'd get over it. So this is a summary, maybe from IMDB, I don't know where I pulled this. So it says, when Burke Landers, a popular high school basketball star, gets dumped by his lifelong girlfriend, Allison, he soon begins to lose it. But with the help of his best friend Felix's sister, Kelly, he follows his accent

of the school's spring musical, thus indoors, I don't know what that word is, a love triangle loosely based on Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. So, yes, and again, just basics, as you said, it came out in March of 2001. You mentioned the cast. It's so funny, because, yeah, it's like, honestly, directed by someone. I mean, you know me. I know my stuff. I don't know this director.

Tommy O'Haver went on to do Ella Enchant. written by a guy named Arlie Fleming Jr. He did cheese all that, so he was clearly in that mode in those times. And yeah, it wasn't a huge hit. It was $22 million budget, gross about that back. Okay, so they broke even. That's fine. Yeah, yeah. They did okay on video.

They've made it back now just on my rentals. It's going to get a huge boost on iTunes after this. But yeah, sorry, so you were going to say, so that's one of the highlights for you is Martin Short. is Merlin Short and some of his lines are. And yeah, so some of his lines, there's one moment where he says, in the words of the wonderful Kevin Spacey,

the show must go on. That line has aged perfectly. Perfectly. I know. That's the thing. I'm sure there's like, somebody was like, oh, I want to, no, that with, coming out of that character in that moment is perfect.

Bill Shakespeare is a wonderful poet, but Bert Baccarach, he ain't. Because that's, I don't know if that was in the summary, but yeah, the re-adaptation of Mid-Summery's dream is a musical. So, or you get lots of, actually genuinely very funny and great crap songs near the end.

It's, what was the other thing? Oh, and, oh my God, I can't believe I got this far into talking about this film without talking about this part of it. The opening sequence is just joyous. When I started watching this, I was like, oh my God,

am I going to fall in love with this movie? Because this opening, it's a legitimately great opening. The rest of them will be, I'll give a B, B, minus two. The opening is fantastic. Yeah, the opening is really, like, and I think I saw it in the cinema, and I was just, like, blown away by that, and, like, I don't think I knew that you could do

that kind of thing in film yet. So, like, where you could just have this world that felt really real and grounded, but just crazy shit could happen at any point, and it also felt like it was part of it. Also, the movie where I'm pretty sure I fell in love with Kirsten Dunst at age like 12 or however I was when I saw this film, that was like solidified by Spider-Man, but started, I think, probably by get over it. Right. Well, this one, for context in her career, this came, I think, a year after bring it on and like a year before Spider-Man. So she was kind of just transitioning. She was about to go to the next level in whatever. It's been a fascinating career.

So where was it? So it was like how far off the Drop Dead Gorgeous was it? Oh, that's a good question. I'll have to look that up. I'm not sure. That's, yeah, that's another film that it's weirdly hard to find online. That it should be easy to mind. I have to imagine you just searching endlessly

into the wee hours of the night. Where is Drop Dead Gorgeous? I can't find it. No, we did, because, no, me and Aaron, again, ages ago, like, a couple of years ago, we were like, we were like, hey, we haven't seen that film in ages, and we went to watch it,

and it was just, like, weirdly hard to find for a film that, again, we both consider a classic. So, my, I'm always, I'm always, we've had conversations, had conversations about your, like, education in film, how you were so late to Star Wars, etc. I'm kind of endlessly fascinated by like the films that you found and in what time and in what way. Like, was watching this, because you must have watched this, probably by the time you watched this, maybe you were making the first Potter film. Like, did this feel like, is this

like going to the zoo or like an alien coming to the planet Earth? Like, when you're watching something like this, it must feel like such a foreign world to see like an American, high school teen comedy. Yes, but also I think we are so suffused with American culture in the UK that, you know, you've, like, I was familiar enough with, like, the look of, like, Save by the Bell was, like, on a lot. And, like, there were the ideas of American high school, and it always did seem like, well, American high school is like terrifying and weird and there are all these different groups

and, like, you really have to, and everyone wears their own clothes. it's crazy, like, but, um, but, but, but, but yeah, the, um, so I think I was kind of ready for that kind of, but although none of the other ones, I guess 10 things I hate about you I really enjoyed, but like, none of the other, like, classic kind of high school movies I didn't think, like, she's all that. I don't think I've ever seen. Were you ever offered anything in this vein? Because somehow, I guess, because you were so busy or whatever, it just never happened. You were never in, so British. I think, particularly at that time, I was very much, like, there was no one going to,

be like, hey, maybe he could be an American and an American high school movie. I could imagine you as like the foreign exchange student in like American Pie 4, a stunt casting, you know? Oh, man, that could I, oh, well, I missed. Oh, sorry, sorry to bring you down. Yeah, no, I definitely, well, I mean, I could have been, obviously, if there was a get over it too,

I could still be like Shane West's brother, because that's another thing we haven't touched me. Shane West is in this movie doing a spectacularly... I don't even know if it is a British accent. It's just a something accent, but it's great, and it is what it's meant to be, I think. Do you know what the tagline for the movie was on the poster? Oh, no.

Split happens. Okay. That's the thing. It's so sad. I've never seen you sadder. Oh, I've done better. That's the thing. That's the thing. I feel like there's a lot about this movie that there's so many,

this movie could have fallen into a really generic place if it wasn't for a really interesting cast, I think. And I mean, obviously, like, I don't want to take away from, like, the writing is funny and the story is, but I do think that it is, it is, it is, it is probably a, a just okay movie that for me is elevated to, uh, really like something I love by the acting and a couple of the kind of directorial flourishes, like the opening and a couple of the sequences. But, yeah, sorry. No, I was going to say,

did you know that Kirsten and Ben Foster were apparently dating during the production of this film? No, but that does make sense. They have really good chemistry. They do. They do seem like they like each other. Do you think that getting shot by a crossbow at that short range would kill a human being

going back to our stunts conversation? 100%. I was, we were, that was what I was noticing, uh, really last night was how, how much punishment Ben Foster takes in this film. Like, he is strung up in like a sex, uh, like sex club at one point in a harness and the police come in. He is, um, he exposes himself to the, the entire basketball court. It was interesting when you said, when you were doing the, uh, the, the summary that you said he's a star on the basketball team or like that, I had no idea he was a star. Yeah, I missed that to No, he, like, played it, but the only thing, you see him playing once, and he's, like, fine, and then you see him playing again, and he very much humiliates himself.

So, that's a, that's not a driving plot point. But, yeah, what's sorry, crossbow, and then he gets shot with a crossbow, he gets punched by Colin Hanks and maybe someone else. And there's a line of passage at this, I mean, I think of something about Mary and all the abuse that, like, Ben Stiller went through. Right. There's something about our... To get the girl, you must have incredible physical punishment to happen to you for her to know that you're really interested. I do also... There's one line that I love at the end, which is great,

which I... Any film or show based around the idea of, like, a school play or a high school production of something, always, like, they always have the first production of it and, like, whatever's going wrong, the sort of climax of the story has to happen on that first night. It never happened on like the second or third night of shows,

but they never sort of have to like pay attention to the idea that there will be other shows. So I really like the idea that in this one, they like go, it goes horribly wrong. They almost kill one of the actors and then the two stage crew guys at the end just kind of turned to you, like, same again tomorrow.

So I like that they acknowledge the reality of that. I also feel like watching this like 87-minute movie that I saw like half the play. I feel like there's like a good portion, of the production. Yeah, they do, they really, you know, Desmond Forrest Oaks. He wrote some songs, and they're all in there.

I was trying to find out, like, who, like, I found who, like, composed the music last night, but I couldn't actually, for definite find who, like, actually wrote the songs. I thought they were quite good. We'll get the Happy Set Confused Research Team on it. Let me go through the comfort movie questionnaire for you. The best performance in this film goes to...

It has to be Martin Short. Ben Foster, like, carries it, but I do think Martin Short is the... reason I keep coming back to it. It's a more, it's a different thing. Like, it's a more showy performance. He has a different job, but, like, I'll go for mine. Best scene?

What's your family scene? Best scene. I mean, I guess I'm going to go for the opening sequence or just the final, the final sort of like the play happening. Do you ever, you've already quoted some lines, The question is your favorite line or a line that you find yourself quoting. Do you ever find yourself in day-to-day quoting this to Aaron to anybody? I'm sure.

I know Aaron does. Aaron sometimes where Aaron will... We reference... There's a character in the film called Little Steve, who every time he tries to say something, Mike George, goes, put your hand down, Little Steve. So we say that sometimes. But, yeah, I can't offer them.

I'm going to try and I'll start adding in the words of the wonderful Kevin Spacey that will show my show on, though. You're going to need to contextualize that because people are going to give you a real dirty look. It's a joke from a film. It's a joke from a film. It's from get over it, okay, guys.

Yeah, we all know that film. It's universally loved. Should there be a remake or sequel to this film? No, there is no need. Unless, as I said, unless, you know, Shane West and I have brothers and that's, no, no, no, there's really no need.

I like to program a double feature for the audience. What's a good film that would go with this as a double bill. I've got a nominee, but if you have one of the time... I mean, I was going to suggest, yeah, I was just going to suggest, like, one of the other films, like,

10 things I hate about you. I feel like a 90s high school double bill thing is what I would put on that. I think this might be on a different sort of a level, but I think of Shakespeare-inspired teen comedies, I think clueless. Oh, yeah. Clueless, right.

10 things I hate about using the same vein, too. Yeah, that's painting of the true as well, isn't it? So you can have a nice little. That was really, it's such a fascinating thing that was a, like, a trope at one point was like resetting Shakespeare in American high schools. Totally, totally.

Yeah. What, I guess that was it on that one. I feel like this is the, do you think this is the most in-depth conversation about get over it in 20 years? Probably. I think probably since the pre-production meetings of the film, but I don't, I really, I do not care. Or maybe, yeah, maybe since Aaron and I met.

Maybe that was actually the most recent. But yeah, it's, it's, if I, if I, If I point other people to it, I really, I feel like I'm doing the Lord's work there. That is, I'm very happy to be out there, standing, forget over it. Oh, standing. You are so young and hip, my friend. I know, I know. I use all the words.

Well, we're pointing people to a lot of good distractions in these crazy times. Cunning Stunts, the podcast, as I said. It's on iTunes everywhere. Check it out. If you love movies, you're going to love this podcast. check out, get over it. It was a hole in my film knowledge, and I'm glad I filled it, thanks to Daniel Radcliffe.

You can also, I noticed you, I saw you reading from your beloved Harry Potter. You read the first chapter from... Yes, I did. I did the, yeah, I did, you know, there was a, they asked if we would do this thing to, like, read along at home kind of thing. And I'm very glad they put other, like,

children's drawings in there as well and stuff because I was like, well, just going to be me on screen for half an hour reading. It's going to hard to start. sustain that. But no, it was really sweet. It was actually, like, I didn't know how it would, I honestly, like, I asked if I could do the first chapter because I felt like I would just feel really strange, like actually reading Harry's lines again, particularly lines from when he was so young. So, you know, I was really, but I did find myself getting, like, weirdly emotional doing it.

It was, yeah, it was very, it was really sweet. Did anything strike you about reading those words what's probably the first time in many, many years? Yeah, I mean, the bit about, well, first of all the fact that like harry isn't really in the first chapter i'd kind of forgotten that the first chapter was like dursley's and then arrival of dumbledore and that that was how the book started but um you know it's been a while since i i'd gone back um but then uh yeah i mean i guess i've i've forgotten how like funny they were and how very kind of english and almost like pg woodhouse they are in their descriptions of kind of english gossipiness and stuff um and uh but then there was that there was like one passage about like you know harry becoming famous or something that you do just go wow

that was the most prescient thing she could have written about that character who then did go on to become you know what that was um so yeah it was it was sort of full of um full of nostalgia in a very nice way i'm i'm generally quite hesitant to give in to nostalgia too much because i think it can it can you know, you can get lost in it. But it was definitely nice to sort of be able to do that. And then people really liked it, which is very sweet. Somebody sent me a photo that somebody had, I think, put on Twitter of just like two kids and their dad

watching it as they went to sleep that night. And I was like, well, if for no other reason, than that, that's like the most awesome thing. Yeah, I know, I know, as I'm sure you do, many parents struggling to get through this time with their kids. So if you were able to entertain and distract their kids for half an hour. One night even.

Yeah, exactly. I'm happy to help, yeah. Excellent. It's good to catch up with you, my friend. I hope to see you. Yeah, I'm really lovely to see you. I hope you're holding up okay, and the family's all, you know, it's not too crazy.

Not too crazy. As you know, New York's been intense, but thankfully, it seems like we're on the other side of the real life. Yeah, tough word, yeah. Like I said, always a pleasure to talk to you and looking forward to chatting in better times. Awesome.

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