Happy Sad Confused - Dave Franco, Vol. IV

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

Dave Franco is back for a fourth round! This time, Dave and Josh get into a cat fight. Literally. Before things get physical, they catch up on Dave’s new movie, IDIOTS, how he wants to return for the 21 JUMP STREET sequel, getting magician cred via the NOW YOU SEE ME films, coming back to play himself for Season 2 of THE STUDIO, why he thinks cats are better than dogs, and more! SUPPORT THE SHOW BY SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS! Rula -- Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rula.com/happy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #rulapod Quince -- Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince.com/HAPPYSAD ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠for free shipping and 365-day returns. Limited Time Offer–Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code happy15 at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://huel.com/happy15.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show! UPCOMING EVENT! 10/13 -- Joe Manganiello in NY -- Tickets here: https://www.92ny.org/event/joe-manganiello-with-josh-horowitz-bloodlines Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Over three movies, I've gotten, you know, proficient enough at throwing cards that I will cut a banana at half. I can cut a banana half at a throwing card. That's great. Yeah, yeah. And, like, people are like, oh, gosh, do you do that wherever you go? And I'm like, no, I don't just carry around a deck of cards at a fucking banana. But if you got one, let's go. Prepare your ears, humans.

Happy, Sad, Confused begins. Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the show, it is Dave Franco. Always a delight. His fourth time on the podcast. We are talking about his new film, idiots. This is a fun one.

Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, wherever you're doing it, however you're doing it, I appreciate you guys. Before we get to the main event today, which is, as I said, Mr. Dave Franco, a couple quick reminders. We have an upcoming event to mention, actually, in New York City back at the 90 Second Street,

why I'm going to be hanging out with Joe Mangonello. We're talking about his entire career and his new memoir, Bloodwines. It is always a fun time with Joe. Check it out. get your tickets now, October 13th in New York City. There are a lot more live events cooking, so just check out my pages on Instagram, et cetera, but also check out our Patreon.

That's where we put our announcements and our discount codes. Patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused for all the info on everything I do and everything happy, sad, confused does. Today on the show, as I said, it is Mr. Dave Franco, who is always a delight. He's just one of the real ones out there. Very funny. A true cinephile, always easy to talk to. one has it all including um physical assault a little bit yeah we we slap each other no context you'll see

just trust me or if you're listening you'll hear it i guess um his new film is making blair's new film it is called idiots um it is a wild funny um dramatic tale starring him mason thames and o'shay jackson junior well worth your time i highly recommend it it's going to be in theaters this friday look out for it. He's also got a DreamWorks animated film. I've got an island that's coming soon. Always very busy and always happy to support everything that Dave Franco does. This is a really fun conversation. So without any further ado, I'll let you guys enjoy it, listen to it, watch it however you're doing it. It's up to you. Here's me and the one and only Dave Franco. Dave. Yeah. We're doing the podcast. We're back again. Number three? Four. What?

You are one away from the coveted five timers club. Wait, wait, wait. What's the most recent time we did this it's been a while yeah pandemic was a pandemic were we talking about being john malcovich your comfort movie good memory yes but the first time was 10 years ago 2016 and look if we if you if you play your cards right the fifth time you do get a hat and you join the likes of tom hittleston claire foy yes good company it's good company all right okay let's see how this goes yeah it's not like you get cocky okay um you are man of many talents. You're an actor. You're a filmmaker. You're a cat daddy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Probably most importantly, the last of those three. Yeah. And you're an idiot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're adding

something else to the resume. It's rare I can say that and not be word of retribution from the guest. Sure, sure. You can always call me an idiot even when I'm not promoting a movie called idiots. I've been saying it for years and now justify. No. No, the movie is called idiots. It's awesome. It's from Macon Blair. For those that don't know, Macon is one of the one of the real ones. out there. It really is. Let's shout out Makin real quick. So Makin, he's also an actor. He's in one of my favorite movies, Blue Ruin. This is a movie directed by Jeremy Sarnier.

It was his debut. Since then, Sondier did Green Room, Rebel Ridge. He's like a real fucking filmmaker. And so is Makin. Makin's first movie that he wrote and directed is this movie called I Don't Feel at Home in This World anymore. Melanie Winski. Elijah Wood.

Exactly. Great movie. And it's just like, this is one of the most. underappreciated movies out there. He like, Macon has his own style where he really leans in to dark comedy, but then he'll give you real violence. And really his main stamp on his projects is as soon as you start to feel comfortable and you think you know where you're going, he will pull the rug out from you. Totally. And just take you in the most bizarre, insane directions. And it's like he's just a unique talent. It doesn't feel like he's like

going by like, you know, the playbook of like every character needs to be sympathetic and fuzzy. Like these are messy people. Also, like, characters are going to go on some crazy journey and they're not going to grow. They're not going to learn from it. Sometimes we don't grow guys. That's real life, man. And then sometimes other characters, like my character in this movie, they'll grow. Incremental.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, from where you start. Yes. I mean, my character in this movie starts as a guy who skids his car into a handicap space. So like, fuck that guy. But, you know, I start the movie. I've dug myself this deep hole. But as an actor, I take that as a challenge.

I'm like, I have the rest of the movie now to like help the audience understand who this guy is, where he's coming from, what his vulnerabilities are. And hopefully by the end, you know, you might sympathize a little with him. You might even root for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you talked about this, a bunch of the press store. If there's one, like, sad part of this press store is that we're not talking about the shitheads. We can agree on that.

Yes, so the original title of the film, The Shitheads. Yes, which is, I mean, Idiots is a great title. Don't get me wrong. Oh, yeah. How hard was the battle for the shitheads? I mean, was there like a reckoning? Was it on set? Was it afterwards?

Like, oh, wait, this really just is not going to fly. So this project has been around for like 10 years. And it has been the shitheads for about 10 years. And we, you know, obviously that title is, it's objectively great. And we were like, let's hold on to this as long as we can. can. So we made it through our screening at Sundance and we got bought by IFC and we were still the shitheads and we're like, there's no turn in back now. They can't take this away from us. And then IFC, they, to their credit, they came to us and they were like, hey, we're down to ride

this out and kind of be punk rock and just hold on to this title, but we need to let you know that we won't be able to promote this movie in most places. You can't have the word shit out in public on billboards, you know. And so at the end of the day, it's like we spent, we put so much into this film and we want people to see it. And, you know, I was even on like the morning shows today. And I was just like, oh, we wouldn't be able, we wouldn't be here if this was the shit heads. No. Well, it's the start of the S heads. What would you even say? We tried to ride shitheeds for a while. That didn't fly. Where are you at on the word idiot? Is that something in your lexicon? Like, does Allison call you an idiot on a regular basis? Are you?

You, I don't know where you're going with that. I don't think that's a good assumption. I'm projecting. My wife calls me an idiot. Does you really? Oh yeah. Give me the context. What have you done that's idiotic?

What did I do just the other day? Something will come to me. Honestly, it's a daily occurrence. Is it really? Yeah. Josh, get a hold of yourself. It's my problem? It's your problem. You're clearly doing some idiotic shit that you're getting called out on.

Why are you taking Persad? You know me. If this is a daily occurrence, you're doing something wrong. It's not like she's like, you fucking idiot, get your shit together. It's more of like with love. Oh, oh. You're an idiot. Give me, give me.

I need to think of an example. Give me the inflection of how she says it to you. Oh, it's more of like, you're an idiot. Okay, there's a little love behind it. She's smiling through it. Yeah. But there's also a little cutting in there. She's cut you out.

It's real. There's a basis of reality. Do you ever call her an idiot? Yeah. Oh. When she's doing well. She, I can call her out, even though I can't think of the things that she calls me out on. She has, I think there's something in her brain that doesn't allow her to open doors in the proper way. She pushes when it pull, when you need to pull, she pulls when.

That's relatable. Yeah. So, and I say you're being an idiot. They're an idiot. Okay. Every time she pushes or pulls the wrong one? I can. I'm not mean like, stupid.

I'm on her side. I'm on her side. This has turned into a horrible look for me. Not only do I look like an idiot, but I was like an asshole for calling my wife in it. I got to bring you down with me, man. It's a double-wabby. I've been called an idiot for the last two months on this press store. so I just need someone, a comrade.

So in real life, no. Apparently, your wife is not calling you. No, that's not a word that comes up often. How does she scold me? When she says my name, it's like when we don't, when we are calling each other pet names and she goes, she goes, Dave, what does she say? Does she call me Dave or Dave?

I've heard her call you Davey a lot in. It can be very endearing too. Yes. But that's in like press, right? Right. When we're addressing each other, it's usually babe or some other, you know, pet name that I'm not going to say right now. But when she says Dave or Davey, just to me, I'm in trouble. It's rare.

Yeah. Yeah. I know when to perk up, though, and then, you know, apologize immediately. Yeah. Did you have any nicknames growing up? Well, Davey came about. My real name is David. And basically my brother.

knew some kid in his grade named David that he really didn't like and said to me, your name is not going to be that. And so I became Davey from very early on. Okay. And so people who have known me says childhood, that's what, that's what they call me? And that's how I know, like, when someone comes up to me or I hear just someone screaming Dave, I'm like, someone who knows me forever. Right. Yeah, yeah. So what do you call me though? I call you, though. I call you, know each other a long time. I call you Dave. Okay. What should I, what should I call you? By the end of this pod, you can call me Davey. I feel like number four. Come on. Okay. I appreciate that.

You can call me whatever you like. Idiot, shithead. Do I call you? I've never called you Horowitz. I don't know. No. Do people call you that? Some do.

It's a mouthful. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. Horowitz. Joshua is just like from like my sister. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a little formal. Yeah. Mr. Horowitz works. What do you want? What do you call you? The asshole idiot. Yeah, there we got. I just wanted to bring it around and have you say it again.

I alluded to this. Let's get this out of the way. Usually it's how I end the podcast with the podcast with the or dog question. But because dogs are so important to me, my side hustle, as you may or may not know, I do a dog show. I was going to call you out on this. Yeah. Go on. Yeah. I do a dog show. I'm a big dog dad. Cats not allowed on the show I heard. Well, dude. Okay. So it's made by dog lovers. I don't hate cats. Okay. To be clear. Do you like cats? They're fine. Interesting. Continue. I don't know why my voice went up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never owned a cat. Okay. Okay. Have you owned both in your life?

I've never owned a dog. Okay, so shut the fuck up. What's going on? I think dogs are way more than they're fine. I think dogs are great. Okay. Cats are just fucking wonderful. Really?

Okay, give me the 60-second case for cats over dogs. Okay, okay. I know everyone thinks the cliche about the cat is that like, you know, they don't want to be around you and you've got to earn their love. My cats meet me at the door. Every time I come home, they literally flop so I can get their belly. They sleep in bed with us. And also, I don't need to take them on walks. All I need to do is clean that litter box once a day.

Right. How many times do you use your hands to pick up your dog's shit a day? That seems like a very personal question. A couple times. Two to five? How many poops are a day? Tell me. Two.

And not most, maximum two. Okay, okay. But you're using your hands. Yeah, that's love. It's called love and affection. That's a word for it. Anyway, I do love dogs. I've just grown up with cats.

And after winning sexiest cat dad of 2025 People Magazine, is that true? I have peaked. I've realized I've peaked in my life. It's all downhill from here. But I really have been campaigning for this, this honor my whole life. Has cat fancy ever profiled you?

That's like the acquaintance. I should know about this, but I don't. I feel like that's the famous cat magazine. Oh. You're a cat posing. I'm just. us not on the internet. Cat fancy, I'm gonna look into this.

Yeah. But I've used this new platform of mine to just put out there that first off, cats are always vilified in pop culture. Basically any animated movie that has a cat, they are the villain. And then a movie like Flo comes along, a Latvian animated movie, and the cat is the hero.

And guess what, Josh? On the Oscar, won the Oscar. And you know why? Because it told the truth. So condescended too. Yeah. I love dogs. But I'm not going on your fucking tail.

Did you, how many times have you seen the movie cats? I mean, once and it was a wonderful experience. Not sober. Laughed a good amount. I think that's the most I've laughed in a movie in a very long time that I think about it. Yeah, I don't know if that's what they were going for. You know, it's not not. There was a butthole cut out there at some point.

That hasn't been released, hasn't it? Not that I know. They should, it's been enough time. They can connect. You deserve the butthole cut. The butthole cut might beat the Odyssey, honestly. At the box office, that's the only thing that could surpass it. Have you seen The Odyssey?

Oh, yeah. So great. Loved. Spectacle, baby. Cyclops, are you kidding me? Practical effects. Were you up for that Cyclops role? I was.

Did Ward and Miller auditioned you for Rocky? could you have got in the Rocky role? Lored and Miller auditioned me for Rocky. What are you talking about? In Project Hail Mary. Oh, for Rocky. I was like, whoa, wait. Peter Fairley directed the new Rocky movie coming out.

Did I go out for Rocky? No. No, I didn't get that call. Huh. I know. I should have, right? I would have been a good Rocky. Yeah.

Yeah. I've done a lot of good voice work recently, Josh. You have done a lot of voice? Not to pat myself on the back. No, I'm having fun. Um, have you ever done mocap? No. Thoughts?

Sure. Down. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm not offering.

I don't have a mocap studio over here. Don't worry. More Happy Say I Confused coming up. If you're a fan of Happy Say Confused, a fan of mine, you probably love Outer Banks. I've loved talking to this cast over the years, and I'm so thrilled to say there's a really cool new podcast out there if you're an OBX fan. It's Outer Banks, the official podcast. This is a six-episode companion podcast that celebrates the final season of Outer Banks.

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So Macon's on the short list. This comes around title page. Oh, that's interesting. I'm going to flip the page. Definitely. It's definitely a road trip comedy. It's definitely cut from the same cloth. I feel like there's a little midnight run in there, hangover in there. Even like Pulp Fiction vibes. Yeah, yeah, sure. Like, what jumped out at you as the excitement for you for this one? Well, first off, so I was originally talking to making about this movie nearly 10 years ago. Okay. And at that time, I was just too young to play this role.

And so we just kind of amicably parted ways. And then... Consciously uncoupled. There we go. And, you know, eight years passed. And I reached out to him. I was like, dude, I'm old now. Let's go.

Like, whatever happened to that movie? And he was like, oh, it almost went and it fell apart. And I was like, okay, no pressure, but if I can help in any way, I'd love to come on as a producer, try to help get the money. And he said, all right, let's do it. And so my first couple calls were to O'Shea Jackson Jr., who I had worked with a handful of years ago on a Quibi project. Wibby. RIPI.P. The $2 billion experiment that went down in six months.

Quibby's out of business. Nobody told me. I need to end my subscription. I know. To be fair to Quibi in this project that we did. Yeah. This was also directed by the Fairley brothers. Right.

It had Bill Murray in it. It had Daryl Hannah, Jimmy Tatro, O'Shea Jackson Jr. Come on. That's a great team. Could you smell the room where they were burning money like at Quibi? Like where they were just like... The truth is yes. It was pungent.

We had the 62nd defensive cat. 60 second defensive quibby. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I met O'Shea on that project. And it has never seen the light of day. but I think the reason that we did that was so we could meet each other and then do idiots, you know, seven years later.

Yeah. I love him. So then I recently worked with Mason Thames on regretting you, which is like, you know, a very weepy drama, basically the opposite of this movie of The Idiots. But I just saw,

I saw something in Mason where I was like, this kid is so natural. Like he's incapable of having a false moment on screen. And up until that point, he really only played the good guy. He was always the hero. And I was like, ooh, I want to see your dark side, man. That's part of the fun of this.

Yes, you get to see like, well, without giving too much away, let me just, I'm jumping around, but let me just give you the premise of idiots that leads into what I was going to say about Mason. So basically it's like two down on their luck guys played by me and O'Shea. And we're a couple of shitheads. We pair up to take this troubled teen to rehab. And so we are the last two guys that you want supervise. your child who is in this vulnerable place, but the twist is you realize that Mason's character

is so much worse than us. He is full psychopath. And just to see Mason pull this off and just do it in like such a quiet, creepy way where I think if you cast this wrong, it's someone who leans too far into the villain side of it and it becomes like kind of cartoonish. But Mason's like, he's like this still reptile.

And he just kills it. And it's really fun for people to see this different side. In a way, it kind of reminds me. I mean, like talking about your own career. I mean, I feel like you have a very innate likeability that you traded on early on. Like, you kind of played a lot of early douchebats. Totally, totally. And people were like, but he seems so sweet.

But that was kind of fun to see you as an asshole. I think people didn't even say he seemed so sweet for a while because I'm not on social media. I realize, realize like, oh, people can't see the real me as often as other. people kind of, you know, however they put themselves out there on social media. And so they're really just looking at my work. And they're kind of like putting, you know, whatever opinion on me that they want based on the roles I play. And so I played a lot of assholes and douchbags early on. And so everyone was like, yeah, fuck that guy.

He must be like that. Did you like actually feel that like in the world? Absolutely. In what ways, concretize that for me. How were you, did you feel like people judging? You know, meeting people and them being like, oh, you're a nice person and being surprised by that. Yeah, but then like, you know, I've been doing this for nearly 20 years now, and I've done enough interviews now that I hope that people get a sense of who I really am. But just going back to playing these roles that are like so outside of myself, these really villainous characters sometimes, it's fun.

Yeah. It's fun. It's juicy. You really get to sink your teeth in. I think about roles like, you know, this role I play in Love Lies Bleeding. Yeah. I have a dirty mullet rat tail. and I'm just the biggest piece of shit ever

and I'm just like oh I can just lean in and it's one of those things where when you're watching a movie like that with an audience when they start like clapping at your demise you're like I did a good job but then like even in an animated movie like hoppers that came out this year like God I get to play this unhinged

juicy bad guy where I remember in those recording sessions we had a lot of conversations of like, is this too far? Is this too scary for kids? And we finally found the line of what was too far. And it was when the animators, they put together this sequence where my character was doing like the backwards exorcist walk. And this isn't a Pixar children's film.

And they're like, oh, okay, not only are the kids scared, the adults are scared as well. We draw the line at the exorcist. But like my friend who I grew up with, she's a three-year-old daughter. they went to see Hoppers and my friend calls me after her and she's like

she's like okay in my daughter's three years of life you in Hoppers is literally the scariest thing that's ever happened to her. Fuck you and I go that is the best review I've ever gotten it.

Apropos nothing but I was watching I was like watched the credits for in addition to having a Lars von Schreier thank you which I figured it out because of his movie. Antichrist oh and the idiot that's what I thought Well, it's a double. It's a double.

Wait, why Antichrist? He directed Antichrist, man. Lars, have you seen Antichrist? Yes, I have. Have you? Oh, yeah, I have. Yeah, there's penis involved. Well, so the reality is, in Antichrist, there's D going into V during opening credits.

Yeah. That's a swing. I respect it. You know what? You know what's not as palatable? Is later on in that film is the most gnarly moment in cinematic history when Charlotte Gainsborough uses scissors to cut off her most sensitive part. And that haunts me.

If I close my eyes, I can see it now. And that will never leave my mind. So beyond the large bunch of a shout-out. Allison is credited with a voice role. Yes. Well, who does she play? I miss that. There's a little montage where we show Mason Thames' character being a little shithead on the internet.

Okay. And she's in that as a reporter talking about Mason's character in court, telling the, telling the judge to, quote, gargle them. That's Allison. Got it. Yeah, yeah. She's after her best supporting actress. It's in the works. Has she seen this more than you've seen Masters of the Universe?

Who saw which more? Equal. Okay. Two times. Two times each. You know what? Got a couple. That's right.

That's right. Do you visit each other on set when you both are working? or is it kind of like a sacred space where you like do your thing? Not really. Yeah. It's one of these things like, not that it's uncomfortable going to someone else's set. It's just kind of like you do your thing. I'm, I'm, when it's something cool, when it's something really fun, like I remember her visiting me during Now You Three Me and we were doing like a really cool fight sequence.

She's like, oh, I'll come and just see you fling your body around for a couple hours. Yeah. You didn't come just to see what Jared Leto was doing this. Oh, man. I would have liked to see it, but no, I didn't have met Zarrar. You would have met Skeletor, I think. True. The guy goes method. It's wild-going method is Skeletor. That's respect. I do consider you guys, like, in the power couple rankings, like, high up there. I put, like, Matthew Reese and Kerry Russell up there. Oh, yeah, man. Where do you rank yourself, like, in the Zendaya, Tom Holland, the Kirsten, Jesse Plemons, this is for me as rarefied error.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Where do you consider yourself? You're gonna make me rank myself, our own power coupleness? Or like which of those could you beat to death in a fight? Just a straight up physical fight. Thunderdom. You go to Thunderdome against,

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Allison's a badass. Exactly. She's kind of gotten me to her gym more. I'm not saying I'm a badass. I am not near that level. But I'm getting stronger.

We're giving ourselves slightly better odds than maybe a year ago. But I think we're getting our ass beat by most of those people. If I'm being honest, I don't know if either of us have ever been in a real physical fight. Have you? Look at me. I know, but I was just hoping for like an anomaly of a story. Has anyone ever slapped you?

Only in scripted bits, not for real. Sure, sure, sure. You can slap me at the end if you want. I would love to. Okay. I'm going to give you like a medium slap. It's not going to be like nothing, but it's not going to be full on. Do you want to do it now or at the end?

You tell me. I'll take it now. Let's just get it out of the way. How about like, I'll give you one now and then we can lead up to like slightly harder later. Okay. Yes. Give the people something to look forward to. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. How to go? First time you ever been slapped for real. Thank you for that. Josh. It's nice to try new things.

Yeah. Here's what I'm going to do though. It's my new kink. Dave Franco slapping me. Here's what I'm going to do though. I gave you one and you saw it, you felt. how hard that was. Yeah. I'm going to give you the opportunity to slap me and you go as hard as you want later. Okay. Okay. I did the interview. Okay. Let's go. I'm sweating. No, that's

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Let's go all the way back. What's the legacy of your super bad character at this point? Do you still get people asking you about the pissing incident that's alluded to? It comes up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I remember when I first got that role, I genuinely didn't tell any of my friends that I got it. And the reason for that is because it was such a small part that I figured there's a good chance I'm going to get cut out of this movie. Right.

My role does not progress the story in any way. And so then the movie came out and did what it did. And everyone in my life was like, what the fuck are you doing? in that movie. And even though I'm in it for like, you know, 15 seconds, it became so popular that people on the street were screaming like, hey man, why don't you go piss yourself again? And so for me, I immediately recognize like, oh, I need to keep working so I'm not piss boy for the rest of my life. But to this day, it's like that movie is so iconic that it does come up. Like is this like a monthly thing? Like how what's the ones the last time someone said, hey,

piss boy or whatever. Yeah, realistically, that movie will come up to me. I'm going to say four times a year. Okay. 46 times a year. That's a nice cadence, I think. Every other month sometimes. Right? Yeah.

It's going to be weird when you're in your 70s and so it's like, hey, piss boy. True. But at that point, it's like maybe I'm just old and senile enough. Well, I'll just give it to them and I'll just start pissing my pants, just in public and just like give people those stories like Bill Murray gives people those stories. I think we've covered this in the past. But would you rather talk more today about your Twilight audition or your solo audition? Oh, my God, Josh.

I don't think we ever really talked about the Twilight one. Did you do that with Captain Hardwick with another actress? Do you remember anything about that one? Here's the craziest thing about that. And I don't even know how close I was to getting the role. I just know I was like maybe one of the quote-unquote finalists or semi-finalists, whatever that means. That could mean 20 people left. Sure.

It could mean four people. Sure. Anyway, it's something that, when was that movie? When did the first one come out? 2008. It's been nearly 20 years, Josh. This is a movie that like I wasn't, I wasn't even that close to. It's still coming up.

And that comes up probably four to six times a year. That's just me talking to you. That's true. But it is a fascinating fork in the road. Not that like it sounds like it wasn't necessarily that close to happening. Yeah. But like, could you imagine like that life? that's like such a different road to go down to give patents in a lot of respect it's like he took

the success of those movies and was like i'm going to use this clout to work with all these really interesting directors absolutely and you know obviously look at what he's doing now but he he's just like obviously a genuine film lover and he was like hey i'm going to do these weird indies i'm going to work with these incredible chronenberg right off the bat that was like his first thing he did these small Kronenberg movies. I always talk about this. Maps of the Stars. Well, it was a map to the stars. But he did Cosmopolis also. There we go. And like, because I was in the middle of that

Twilight Insanity at MTV. And if you would ask me, with all due respect to Rob, like, we knew Kristen was an amazing talent, but even before Twilight. Rob, like, the jury was out. We didn't know. There's nothing in Twilight where we were like, this guy's going to be the next great actor. But he put in the work and he made the choices and he all respect. I can't believe what we're at.

He, uh, from as far as I know, you know the saffi brothers had obviously made a few films before good time um but they were even more you know they were they were very kind of gritty indie movies about like heroin addicts this movie heaven knows what and they're like fucking awesome and beautifully made and rob is like i want to work with those guys yeah yeah yeah and then good time comes out and you see him in a light that you've never seen him before and you're like oh this guy can do anything yeah and it's just been cool seeing not only rob sore from there, but also the safties obviously doing what they're doing now. Is there a filmmaker that you feel like, you know, it's not a one-to-one, but like that

puts some trust in you and said, like, I'm going to let you do something that you haven't had a chance to experience. Oh, oh. Like, who do you credit kind of like broadening your career and kind of taking the chance on you at a pivotal moment? Gosh. I mean, I guess the first thing that comes to mind, and this is very early on, but like, you know, Lord and Miller for Jump Street where, um, you know, you know,

You know, that was a very intense audition process. I went in like six or seven times for that. So I had to earn it. But like, they were taking a risk on me. This is a big movie. This is a big role in the movie. And I hadn't done very much. But like we, because they put that trust in me, I will always have love for those guys.

And I'll always do anything they ever come to me with. And we've continued to work together, you know, over, you know, almost two decades now. I did the Lego Ninjago movie with them. did this Apple TV series, the after party with them, anytime they call, I'm there. The way you, yeah, you, um, you sadly say, you brought us Taco Bell, that breaks my heart every single time.

I know, I know. The pathos. Yeah, but like that was, that was, the friendship bracelet. I know. That was like, that was a good learning experience where the writing was so good and they gifted me this character

that really was ahead of his time, you know. This was like the coolest kid in school. who's also like an eco-friendly freak. And so just like all these lines they gave me, like you're mentioning, it's like, okay, do not lean into the joke here. You play this as earnestly as possible, and that's how you find the comedy. And that's kind of how I approach,

basically, anytime I'm in a funny movie, it's like I'm treating it like it's a drama. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the dialogue is. I'm going to try to sell this and make this as grounded as possible. He did die off screen in between the films your character right like no way bro he doesn't I'm I'm well you're still out I'm getting raped by Rob Riggle in prison man oh that's what happened that sort of how did I block that one you know what happens to a handsome guy like me in prison it rhymes with grape man how could I forget I apologize I apologize the reason

I ask is they are finally after all these years oh I know doing another jump street I know so So I the truth is I don't know if I'm coming back. That is the absolute truth. I am I am letting them know I'm around. I love this franchise. I'm here if you need me, but that's it that's as far as I've gotten so far. Okay. Yeah.

What did you, speaking of, I don't know if you're coming back on the studio or not, but Emmy nominated performance in the studio. What an unbelievable. So fun. I mean, come on. Yes. Talk to me a little bit about, I mean, the cinema con stuff at the And having been to cinema con to see what you guys did there in Vegas, I don't know how you guys shot what you shot.

I agree. I agree. So, I mean, first off, like, just coming together again with those guys who I've known since Superbad 20 years now. And, you know, when you're surrounded by these people that you know so well, you feel so comfortable with, that's when you can be really free and take huge swings. and as you've seen in those cinema con episodes, I go big. And so I play myself on the show. I'm like literally playing Dave Franco.

And I remember before the very first take, first I actually before I say that, so I'm playing Dave Franco inebriated on alcohol, weed, cocaine, and mushroom simultaneously. So before the first. So Dave Franco. Yeah, exactly. So before the first take, I go up to Seth and Evan.

And I'm like, how big do you want me to play this? Right. Like there's so many different ways. One to ten. What do you mean? Yeah, yeah. And they're like, just feel it out. Just have fun.

And then what happens with those guys, and again, which is people you trust and love and who know you well, more often than not, they're just pushing you to go further, go crazier, have fun. And when you're having a good time, it shows on screen. And so it's like a rare occasion where you come home at the end of the day and you're like, oh, yeah, that was work. Like, I'm getting paid to do that. I would pay them to be in this show.

You had an Emmy nomination for that? Truly, truly. So just off of that, first off, I didn't even know I was eligible for an Emmy. I didn't know when they were being announced. And I remember being in the kitchen with Allison one morning. And all of a sudden I get a text from my publicist. And it just says, Emmy. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

And we Google it. And I go, babe, I think I just got nominated for an Emmy. She's like, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. I don't know. But it was like the greatest way to find out because I had zero expectations. But what I will say to you, Josh, because I love you, is that I'm going to be in season two. Hell yeah.

And I can't say any more details, but it's very fun. And share this. I'm not going to name names because I've heard some names that I know for a fact that are in the new season that are going to blow people's minds. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you want to share some of those names? I can't. Okay.

They're going to yell at me. Okay, great. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah. It's like, we can't say anything. What are we even trying to say right now? I don't know.

It'll be amazing. It was my favorite show of that year, last year, or whatever it was. I'll just say, like, got, these guys are geniuses. Like, they set such a high bar with season one, and they're really going ambitious with season two. And it's working so well. I'm so excited for people to see what they've been up to. So you got the Emmy nomination for that. You got the Nobel Peace Prize for,

Now You See Me, three? I think that's right. I think that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the course of an unpredictable career, every actor's career is unpredictable. The fact that we have a franchise called Now You See Me, that is what it is. Yeah, that's what I'm trying. We have to acknowledge this is one of the strangest things ever.

This is magicians pulling off bank heist. We've made three of these with a fourth on the way. Are you kidding me? It's incredible. It might be proof that the space time continuum is cracked. You might be the best evidence of that. Now you see me. I'll take it.

I'm going to take it. I'm going to take that honor. But like, gosh, these movies are just so inherently fun. And I love this cast so much. Like, there's no other set I've ever been on where I laugh that hard. And these just, you know, I've known this cast for 15 years now. They're family. And I think people, when they're watching these movies, you can feel how much we love each other.

And like, you know, Fast and Furious movies. How many have they done? 10, 11. 9.10, something. Yeah, yeah. Let's go. We're fast and the furious with magic. Let's not the leg. Let's make 11.

Do you have cred with the magician community? Do you get invites in the Magic Castle? Do you get- You know, I will get like magicians coming up to me on the street and they'll be very excited and they'll, you know, we'll take pictures and they'll tell me about their whole thing. But like, I think magicians really do love this series. And I think I think what's been great about it is like, hey,

we're making magic cool, man. Like it is fucking cool. Like these are very, These are like tricks, these tiny tricks that I do in this movie sometimes, kind of hand dexterity stuff. These are tricks that I'm practicing for months in my hotel room. And they're on screen for two seconds. And people probably think it's VFX.

Right. So anyway, this is just a shout out to magicians for just the fucking work you're putting in. Who's got better hand dexterity? You or Channing Tatum. Gambit versus your now-semi character. Do you feel a little jealous that your buddy Channing is Mr. Superhero, car thrower? Not at all.

Channing is the man for that role. And like, can you imagine if every movie I'm in, I'm just throwing cards? I can't play gamut too. No, no, no, zero jealousy. Why is this guy in the Holocaust throwing cards? Exactly, exactly. But I have gotten over three movies. I've gotten, you know, proficient enough at throwing cards that I will cut a banana at half.

I can cut a banana half of the throwing card. That's great. Yeah, yeah. And, like, people are like, oh, gosh, do you do that wherever you go? And I'm like, no, I don't just carry around. around a deck of cards and a fucking banana. But if you got one, let's go. Bring it up.

Bring it up. We should mention the animated film, the DreamWorks animated film, which is for, Got an Island, which I heard amazing things about. Yes, yes. Genuinely, great.

Okay, so this is a Dreamworks film, original DreamWorks film. And this is the first big budget studio film that focuses on Filipino culture. That is awesome in its own right. And it's just unique, man. Okay, so just a quick pitch

of what it is. It's these two girls, they've known each other since childhood, best friends, and we catch them on their final night together in the Philippines before one of them is going to the United States to go to college. So it's this kind of bittersweet night, and during that night, they get sucked into this portal, and it transports them to this kind of mythological islands, and it's like full of like these creatures from Filipino lore, and it's very exciting at first, but they realize the only way off the island is if they give up their memories. But if they give us their memories, they might forget each other. So it's touching, man.

This is like, this is Eternal Sunshine, the animated movie. It is beautiful. It is laugh out loud, funny. The directors, they did, do you see Pussing Boots the Last Wish? Yes, people, I have been in the great film. I think that was nominated for Best Picture, right? Yes, I think, yeah. Fuck, and you know why?

Cats. The Cat is the hero. I just put that together in a moment. Holy shit. Look at you. Two for two for two. Cast the Hero, you're up for fucking Academy Award. Let's go.

Cats. Anyway, this movie is incredible. And what's so cool about animation, too, is that, you know, they've been working on this movie for like five or six years. You did 90 minutes in a stadium. A little more than that, like, you know, but realistically, I went in probably to do like eight to ten voice records. And so I can, I feel like because of that,

I'm such a small part of this giant process that like, when I see the final product, I'm like, this is what you guys have been doing? I'm so proud just to be a part of it. I'm like, I get to be in this. Totally. Totally. How's the directing career?

Because obviously, two per two, you made two great films. Sadly, the pandemic swallowed up the first one, The Rentals. I have a little update on that. Yeah. What do you go? Okay.

So my first movie, The Rental, like you said, it came out during like peak pandemic. Like, it doesn't get more peak. But this one was also with IFC. And so IFC made the smart decision. They were like, hey, people can't, you know, leave their house, go to the theater. But what we can do is let's have a premiere at the drive-in. And it was the first ever drive-in premiere. And it actually spawned a lot of other movies

to kind of follow soon and like give people some normalcy during this time where you were just stuck at home. So anyway, we're on a bunch of driving screens. But for me, gosh, when I'm making a movie, I'm such a perfectionist, psycho, especially as a director. You know, when it comes to the color grade and the sound mix and all this stuff. And as fun as it was to have the movie on these driving screens, I wouldn't have it any other way. When you're at a drive and screen, there's all this ambient light. It's like very dark inherently and it looks like shit.

And then the sound is coming through your car speakers. It sounds like shit. So this is Christopher no one intended. Exactly. But we just did a screening. We had our premiere of idiots at this theater in LA called Vidiates. Yes. And this is a fucking awesome theater.

And we talked to Vidiots about doing the first ever in theater screening for the rental. And that will be in October, mid-October. I love it. Yeah, we got the whole cast returning. That's amazing. Great news. Here's a random one. Do you have a favorite six underground memory?

Oh, my God. You've been directed by Michael Bay. Not only that, you get to scream, woo, as you're driving your lime green alpha Romeo through the streets of Florence. That's all true. Okay, craziest memory from that is So I play a stunt driver in that movie And I did two days of stunt driving training And I was, you know, it was really fun

But I was like, they're never going to let me drive this car for real On the streets of Florence with, you know, Ryan Reynolds and Melanie Laron and Adria Arjona in the car And I was actually driving most of the time And so I remember there was a day Where I was doing donuts next to a world-famous music in Florence and I was like if I hit something I'm literally destroying history so in hindsight that was me being an idiot yeah that was that was my choice I was like I want

this to look real and it's like oh you watched the movie this could have we could have done this in the studio like you didn't need me like nearly just taken down this place in Florence as a horror guy where are you at on we've had a good year in horror I mean obsession and backrooms alone love love like been phenomenon it's incredible yeah yeah yeah I I mean, what else to say? Like, I mean, what I will say about backrooms is, like, I loved it. But I was, like, surprised that I was like, oh, this is like a weird, heady movie. But I say that in the best way possible where I'm like, oh, people are going out for this weird movie.

Like, that's awesome. And then, like, obsession, like, I fucking get it, man. This is just, like, a really sticky concept. It's so fun. And the thing that surprised me about it the most is, maybe this is obviously. to say now, but like I didn't expect the element of like her true self still poking through. And that gave it this extra level of depth that I'm like, this is so smart. It's like still such a simple, beautiful concept. But they have these like amazing layers.

And obviously the execution and the acting is incredible. Is that what's the next directing? Is it going to be horror? Like do you know the next time? I think it will be. Whenever that is I if I'm being honest like when I'm directing something, it just, you know, first off, just takes years of your life focusing on one project and it just takes everything out of me. And so I've kind of been able to scratch that itch recently by being a producer, especially on these smaller movies that I'm acting in. And so as a producer, I still get to be part of every step of the process. But then I can like kind of jump from project to project a little easier. And so, yes, when I do direct again, I am craving going back to the horror genre, but I just don't know when that's going to be. Last TV show you and or Allison. binged. Oh, what do we love recently? I mean, we loved Widows Bay. They are towing the line so

beautifully with comedy and horror. That is a nearly impossible thing to pull off. And gosh, it's just so well done. What else? Pluribus was awesome. That was one where it was like at the second it went up, we were in. What have you been watching? Here's one to look out for as a horror guy. I don't know where he was. and Stephen King. I'm, even if I'm glad to say this. Mike Flanagan has a new

interpretation of Carrie. I've heard about this. I'm excited. It's good. Love that movie. It's good. Yeah, okay. And I mean, I love to Palma then,

so it's a high bar, but this is a different take. Here's a new thing I've been trying. Give me your PPA, your peak professional achievement. PPA, other than sexiest cat dad of 2025? Yeah. Unointed by People magazine?

It could be that. Peak. It could be a moment on set. It could be a phone call you got. It could be, Look back at something. Well, okay, you kind of teed me up a little bit. So Stephen King, when going back to the first movie I directed, The Rental, which is a horror film,

Stephen King gave a, tweeted a very, very nice thing about the movie. And it's like, hey, this is the Horror King. You can't ask for better praise than that. And then when my wife and I made the movie together, another horror movie, Stephen King was there again. We love him. Two for two. It's amazing.

I know. I know. That's a big one. Gosh, I mean, I'll say together as well. It's just this movie that I made with my wife where, gosh, this was a sprint, man. This is one where we shot this insane body horror in 21 days for nearly no money. We put our blood, sweat, and tears into this thing. Your relationship on the line.

fall apart. Truly. Truly. And yet Tilly brought you together forever. Okay. Tilly. I love together. I love Tilly. Check out the movie. You'll understand what he's saying by the very end. But this was just one like true labor or love. And it's very rare that these tiny movies like cut through. And we just left it all out on the table.

Just kind of from start to finish through the press tour. I've never done that much press in my entire life. Oh, you were my favorite interview at Comic Con last year. That was. That was chaotic, wasn't it? That was great in the best possible way. Yeah. We were probably very loopy at that point.

What were we talking about? I don't know, but it was fine. Yeah. So that's the high. What's the low? Lowest career moment. Oh, geez. Walking out of an audition.

Oh, oh. Getting cut out of something. Oh. A moment on set where you fight an idiot. I can, I can, let's say, early on, I just remember this is really before I did, maybe anything. But I got to that point where I was like, I wasn't booking stuff. I wasn't having fun.

I was putting so much pressure on myself. And I remember telling my brother I was feeling. And he was like, you should talk with Catherine Keener, who I just worked with. I was like, I'm not going to fucking burden Catherine Keener with my problems. And he's like, no, she's the greatest. Like, here's her email, reach out. So I was like, okay. So I gave Catherine Keener my sob story.

And not only did she write back, but she wrote this, like, beautiful response where the main takeaway was like, hey, if you're not having fun, why are you doing it? And that really stuck with me. And it just allowed me just to kind of open up and be more free and just stop beating myself up. I used to be so self-critical. And I still am to a degree. But like, I know when I leave it all out on the table and I've done everything I possibly can. It's funny to say that I was listening to our first podcast conversation. 10 years ago, you said this year I'm going to really try to be critical myself. How about that? So how did you do?

10 years in, how are you doing? I think good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And part of that, if I'm being totally honest, part of that is because since I've started producing these movies that I'm acting in, I get to be part of the edit where I can help shape my performance as well as oversee the whole thing. But I can get in there and be like, guys, I know I have a better take than that.

Like, let's look through it all. And so I could be there for that and know that, like, I just know how many times like growing, when I was first starting, you see the final project and you're like, how did they choose that take? That's terrible. I'm a terrible actor. So it's nice just to have a little more control.

We're going to end with a profoundly random questions. We covered this one. We don't even need to do it, but I'll just say it out loud. Nonetheless, dogs or cats. Oh, my God, Josh. Next question. Wow. What do you collect?

What do I collect? I'm not proud of this. gene jackets. That's weird, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're looking for validation of your weirdness. I like, I like vintage clothing, and like I'm always on the search for the perfect jean jacket, and my wife does not, she's not happy about it. And I want to reveal to her right now, I got one yesterday, and it's basically the exact same as one that I already have, but it has a cool little zipper.

And yet she wouldn't call you an idiot for that. She might. Okay. Favorite video game of all time. Oh, gosh. It's going to be an obvious one. Let's go with Mario 64. Okay.

Yeah. Dakota Johnson asks me, I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouth full of bees or one be in your butt? This is a thinker, Josh. I know. Does this kind of go 50-50 in terms of what you want? Oh, it goes one way hard. Let's go with...

But don't try to outthink it. Let's go with your heart. Let's go with butt. It's like one in there. I think I can clench and kill that thing. Yeah, you are correct. Yeah, yeah. Is that the correct answer? That's correct answer.

Yeah, yeah. You passed. What's the wallpaper on your phone? I don't have it with me, but it's my wife kind of on her side resting with my cat, Otis's face sleeping on her face. It's so fucking cute. Last actor you were mistaken for. Oh, let's go with Ephron maybe. Yeah.

But it's been a while. Okay. Yeah. You're walking around shirtless. You're like, oh, that's got to be. Ephron again? No, if I, Efron shirtless is more impressive than me.

Like I said, I'm going to the gym, but we ain't Ephron strong. Worst note of director has ever given you? The worst notes. This isn't the worst, but it's the most memorable. So on the movie Neighbors, I have this sex scene.

And we do the first take, and the director, Nick Stoller pokes his head in the room, and he says, uh, Dave, more Jack Rabbit. I was like, I got you. So in the next take, my pale little ass is moving as fast as you could possibly imagine. I'd say I'll go back and see it again, but I will now never watch it again.

Don't lie to us, Josh. In the spirit of happy second fuse, an actor who makes you happy? Oh, oh, okay. Who do we got? Let's go with Olivia Coleman. Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A movie that makes you sad.

A movie that makes me sad. First thing I think of is my favorite movie of all time. Stand by me. Great. It's got everything. Yeah, that works. And a food that makes you confused. Oh, I'm only confused because I hate it and everyone else loves it.

Manay's. I'm with you. Yeah? How do you feel about a AOLI? Not into it. Okay. You? Last question.

Sour cream. Hate it. Fucking A. Now, Josh, give me a little slap on the face. Hit me with it. Hit me. Which side do you want that? Go, go.

Oh, feels good, right? There's the fucked up conversation and slap with the one and only. It's Dave Franco, everybody. We're idiots, baby, and we're promoting idiots. August 28th. Thanks, dude. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

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