Happy Sad Confused - Edgar Ramirez

Episode Date: August 30, 2016

Edgar Ramirez returns! The "Carlos" star makes a return trip to Josh's office to talk about bonding with Robert DeNiro and playing Roberto Duran in the boxing flick, "Hands of Stone". Also, Josh helps Edgar plot a reunion on the big screen with Jessica Chasten. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Get after him or have you shot You mean blow up the building From this moment on None of you are safe New episodes every Wednesday Wherever you get your podcasts Hey guys, and welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad Confused. This is my podcast. The My refers to me, Josh Harrowitz, your fearless leader, your

intrepid explorer through the world of pop culture, and interviews with the likes of the greatest actors and filmmakers of our time. At least that's the goal, or at least it's the people that I find most interesting. And if you're like me, then hopefully. Hopefully you enjoy the show because this is just about hanging with people that we think are really cool and interesting and have cool stories and like to laugh about themselves, their silly careers and the world around us. And that certainly applies to a guy today who is exceptionally talented, a returning guest to Happy Say I Confused. He is, as I say on this podcast, always welcome to stop by. And when I say that, that means he'll probably stop by three times a year because he's constantly working.

but that's okay because his name is Edgar Ramirez and he is not only exceptionally talented but he is one of these guys that from the first time I've seen I saw him on screen probably in Domino actually which was kind of his first Hollywood movie directed by Tony Scott

he's just one of these actors that leaps off the screen and has charisma to burn and has shown in his ensuing career a really I don't know a good soul, a good barometer of what's interesting and cool and goes after interesting material and has worked with a host of great filmmakers, whether it's David O. Russell last year and Joy all the way up to his work this year, which he's going to be in two more films before the end

of the year, including Girl on the Train, directed by Tate Taylor, which we mentioned in this conversation. Gold, directed by Stephen Gagan, who's coming off of, of course, directed Syriana a few years back, and it's his directing return. I'm very much looking forward to that. That's him and Matthew McConaughey. But those are films to talk about at a later date that was come out at the end of the year.

The main subject to talk about today is a film called Hands of Stone, which is a remarkable true story, based on the true story. If you're a boxing fan, you know the name Roberto Duran, but even if you're not a boxing fan, I'm not a huge boxing fan,

but I know the name Roberto Duran. I know what no mom. refers to, or at least I had a vague idea, and this film kind of helps flesh out the story and gives you, it's a really interesting biopic, and it's a very much a personal project for Edgar. He's clearly passionate about it. He's working with the same writer-director on a future film. He's also working with Robert De Niro, who stars in this film in a really interesting, cool character supporting role in a future project as well. So clearly, this group really enjoyed the collaboration and hopefully they will continue to collaborate

on really interesting smart material. And Hands of Stone is a big one for Edgar. It's a leading role. It's a beloved, you know, a sports figure, a beloved figure just, you know, in the world of pop culture the last 40 years. And he was, if you see the film, you'll see how committed he was to, you know, truly inhabiting a boxer, which, you know, is one of those, one of those weird subgenres in film. I always love a boxing movie. And I feel like, especially, I feel like boxing movies are back. The last couple of years, we're getting

like two a year. This year we actually have another one coming soon from our good buddy Miles Teller starting in bleed for this. I'm seeing that actually super soon, and I can't wait to see him in that one. And of course, last year we had both Jake Gyllenhaal and Southpaw, and of course, one of my top ten

favorite films of the year last year was Creed. I know a lot of people love that one, and I positively adored that one. So, all of which is to say boxing lends itself well to film and certainly it's cool to see edgar mix it up in this special project hands of stone check it out um not much more to say uh in the preamble here obviously i don't have sammy by my side today so i'll keep it brief um but uh hopefully you guys enjoyed the vmAs i enjoyed it as a as a observer last night i've actually not really i you know my gig at mtv has been predominantly on the movie side over the years so i've only worked one vMAs over

the years. So it's kind of a unique position for me to be in every year to see my coworkers really kill themselves in the best possible way to put on the craziest award show of the year. And I actually haven't seen it all. I was on a plane last night coming back from a wedding, but I was watching it via Twitter on the plane. So I feel like I got a good sense. The headlines for me seem to be that Beyonce continues to be the most beloved human being on the plane. And planet and that Key and Peel seemed funny. I don't know, maybe a little divisive to some, but I have to believe I'm going to be on the side of Key and Peel. And that Rihanna, yeah, Rihanna was good and that and Kanye continues to be insane, I guess, in a good way. I don't

know. That's a longer conversation. Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy this conversation with Edgar Ramirez. We've got another special kind of bonus episode of Happy Sake Confused coming up in a couple days I'll put out there just because I didn't want to put the two together today. They felt like two very different kind of conversations, but in a couple of days, you'll get to enjoy Tony Hale, who, again, such a smart, interesting, and funny guy. But that's for the next happy, sad confused. In the meantime, enjoy this conversation with returning guests, the ever-delightful Edgar Ramirez. And check out Hands of Stone in theaters for right now. Iger Ramirez has invaded my office.

It's always good to see you, my friend. So good to see you, man. I got to be at your, one of the big nights for this film, the Slaver of Love, as the director, the writer-director said last night, Hands of Stone. A great accomplishment, an amazing cast. Led by you, leading role, Roberto Duran, a huge role. And it was a, I'd say it was a really emotional, special night.

Just for me, like, being there as an audience member, you know, I've gotten to go to a couple of premieres by now, but, like, there was a lot of life. in that room. There's a lot of passion, I think, for a number of reasons. Can you talk a little to me about why last night was a special night maybe in your career? For many things. This movie, this is one of those films that just becomes a moment in your life. And a very special one, we basically, and I don't say this lightly, I mean, we basically became a family, all of us, everybody, everyone involved in the film.

For some reason, the people that were chosen, the people that were invited, the places where we shot in Panama, the subject of the story, it's very emotional. And I was actually the last one on board. I mean, Robert De Niro was the first one who got on board and he really championed

for this film to be made. I mean, it's been a seven years' trajectory for this movie to be made. So last night was very special. Yeah. You know, after all the work put into it, the fact that it is the first mainstream movie with a Latino hero in the title role, that is something to celebrate and to be very moved by.

The fact that the movie tells the story about Roberto Durant's life, his childhood, and his first three championships, we're talking about the greatest lightweight in the history of boxing, who happens to be Latino, happens to be Panamanian. but there were two fights that defined a lot in his career alongside another formidable and legendary fighter as Sugar Ray Leonard, played amazingly by Oshar, who totally nailed it.

And both of them, the real Sugar Ray Leonard and of course the real Roberto Zoran were with us last night. I mean, they were present at the premiere. That was very special. I will say, like, I think you were probably busy doing your red carpet duties. I was sitting in the theater

and Duran came in I think before you guys and it was like electric it was like everybody stood up and it was like I mean again there are movie stars and De Niro obviously

doesn't get any bigger than that there was actually something a little different when he and Sugar Ray walked in there I think there's a different kind of an idol worship there's a different connection

people have with athletes especially in that time those iconic fights I mean I'm a casual boxing fan but I know no mass I know those fights Sure. Yeah, with athletes, especially in boxing, because the thing with boxing is that it really, I think when you watch a boxing match, whether you have the privilege to see it live in person or you watch it on television or on any screen, all your frustrations, all your fears, all your aspirations in a way in that moment are projected towards those two guys or two women who are fighting. each other. And there's something very primal and animalistic about it. And I think that somehow

it really captures whatever struggle we're going through as individuals by the time or at the time that we're watching the fight. Right. And I think that that's a key element to, I think that that's why boxing is so mysterious. And I think that the idol, this, this, this worship, you know, for for for for for boxers comes from that because it's very um it's very it's very it's very intimate yeah it's very intimate and it's very deeply rooted you know um and and also you you only have your hands to fight so there's a mystery in boxing that it's uh that is fascinating and i think it's also maybe a reason why it's in in the medium of film it's got a pretty good success rate like i mean like among the sports like there's some sports that don't

translate so well into film um Um, boxing between, you know, the Rocky films, I mean, Raging Bull. I mean, come on. You've got the master right there. And, you know, we talked about this last time you came by. I mean, you had the privilege of working with De Niro twice in a row. You clearly have established, like, a real relationship with, friendship with him. And we're preparing another film together.

Is that right? So that's amazing. I mean, it is, yeah. It's, well, like, that brings up a bunch of questions. I mean, one is, like, you know, there's the cliched question that that comes up a lot when I had talked to actors of, like, when you get over working with, like, a movie star. and like when you like get to work and that it seems like that just happens naturally because there's the work but like then there's a whole other level of like friendship mentorship which you clearly have gotten into got into the level of with de Niro and like how did that

happen when did that happen is it just sort of like did you pursue that or did he anoint to you or did i mean was there a connection that was made beyond the set or what yeah it just it just As any other, you know, special relationships in your life, I mean, you cannot really procure them. I mean, they just happened. Right. And it's true. I mean, it's like there's a, there's an ease and a, in a, in a, in a connection and a, in some sort of unspoken, you know, trust that you feel right there. And that's how I felt with, with Robert.

I mean, I, I met, I met Bob. I call him Bob. So, hey, you're entitled. So, yeah, so right there, I still pinch myself, but at the same time, it is so familiar. Yeah. It is so normal, but still, sometimes I pull myself out of my body, as I did last night. I said, I cannot believe this is my, like, I don't know, fourth or fifth red carpet with Bob that, you know, I'm inviting over to his house for his private gatherings with the family. Like, it's beautiful to have a seat at such a special, special table.

And a notoriously private man, a man that, like, picks his friends carefully and is, you know, not the most verbal of men. So, like, if you penetrate that world, that's kind of amazing. Yeah, no, it's beautiful. And it's like that. I mean, he's a man of very few words, even with his friends. So don't think that the shy and reserved to the neuro that you see on an interview is very, is that different from the one in private. I mean, he's a man who's a great observer, which I think has allowed him to understand human behavior so well. because he listens way more than he speaks.

And I think that that's probably the secret. And in the movie, we connected, we clicked, you know, and I feel very comfortable. I never, because the things that, that despite of the weight of his presence, because he's got such an intense and such an strong presence and gravitas, he's also very, he's very welcoming and very open. and self-spoken and relax. So he makes you feel at ease right away. So there's nothing intimidating about him,

which really contrasts to many of the characters that he's played and to the energy and the strength that he infuses his characters with. So it's fascinating. Well, he's an actor first. He's not a movie. I mean, he's a movie star, but he's an actor first. And that has never waned or changed. No.

It's interesting to me And I don't know if this is something that's true Or something that I've just kind of like projected onto you Where a lot of actors I feel like the nature of the jobs You come and go between jobs And you often don't make lasting relationships It's just like you're a circus performer

You go on to the next thing Whether it's De Niro Whether it's we were talking about Jessica Chastain earlier You've obviously maintained a friendship with her Is that important to you Is that something that like was a rude awakening early in the profession of like if I want to, you know, it's important to me to maintain friendships beyond the project or to be

realistic about it and say that's not always going to happen and sometimes it's just going to be a... Actually, it's the second one. No, it doesn't, it's, um, no, I mean, some, I mean, sometimes you strike, you know, uh, a friendship and sometimes you don't. I mean, you have like a very, um, you have a very, you know, um, comfortable and productive relationship. you know, on set, so that you together make the best movie possible. Yeah. If you become friends, fine. It's great, you know. And of course, you know, you're always grateful, you know, for a new friendship.

But it's not the case on every movie. You know, I mean, it's happened. I have very few friends as well, you know. And yes, Jessica is a very good friend of mine, and so is Robert. Yeah. I also had a great connection with Matthew McConaughey, with whom I, I start a goal that is coming out of in December on Christmas Day. So sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.

And sometimes you just, and sometimes you just keep, like, you skip very, very, um, nice memories of great conversations with people that you may run into, you know, eventually. And they always put, you know, a smile on your face. Yeah, you have that shared memory when you run into. And it's great. But yeah, as in any other job and there's any other activity that you're doing life, I mean, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes. some of your co-workers become your dearest friends and sometimes are just great people you work with. Well, I'm curious, because I've done a lot with Jessica,

and she's obviously one of the best actors on the planet and also hysterical and fun and just the coolest person. We need to get you, by the way, into a sketch because I've done a bunch of sketches with her. So next time you and Jessica together can do something crazy with you. I would love to. But you obviously did Zero's Dark 30 together, which we've talked, I think, a little bit about Bigelow,

who's, of course, as great as they come. an intense kind of filmmaker, an intense subject matter you're in. Did that kind of add to kind of like the bunker mentality, kind of friendships that were born in that kind of like intense situation? Well, this is the thing. And probably we're sensing a theme here. There's certain movies that generate conditions for people to really bond. And those are sometimes, or at least that's my case.

I mean, I'm sensing a theme probably in my life and in my project. Zero Door 30 was a movie where we were completely removed from our lives. We were shooting in Jordan and in India. And a bunch of actors, you know, in a very particular moment in our careers, sharing a lot of things. I mean, age-wise, also very similar. Jessica and I have birthday basically the same day, depending on where we are in the world. I was born on March 25th, and she was born on March 24th. There you go.

So we're basically, you know. Separated at birth somewhere. Exactly. And then there's a, and there's also an intimacy that is created on set that also help. Yeah. Well, in the nature of that one, there was some secrecy around that. A lot of secrecy around it and very harsh conditions. You know, we were shooting in a very, you know, particular place, very close to where the real events took place.

So I'm sure that all the way from CIA, Pakistani secret intelligence, al-Qaeda, I'm sure all of those guys were around us. Maybe the guy who was serving you coffee or, who knows. I mean, after having done Carlos and Snowdark 30, I pretty much believe in everything. I mean, it's not that weird. It is not that weird to be in a place. And then suddenly the person who's, I don't know, picking you up is the greatest spy or intelligence agent that you can ever imagine. So you never know.

So that created attention that really brought us together. And a necessary release. Of course. And at the same time, you know, it's just the, you know, the randomness, the beautiful randomness of affections and feelings, you know. What I can add to that is that definitely when you work with such talented people like Jessica and Robert Nero, and then suddenly there's a chemistry that allows for a friendship to happen, then that is a gift.

Sure. Because I think that love, love, a big or the main component of love is admiration. So love and friendship has, in my case, a lot to do with admiration, and that's what I feel for them. So backtracking a little bit to this specific film and this important moment for, as you said, and the writer-director said last night, like the importance of a protagonist that is Latino in a mainstream studio film, you know, for yourself, Do you find that you are, like, is there a lot of colorblind casting when it comes to you? Do you find that the parts you're getting are, you know, your ethnicity or you're reaching the world, et cetera, or do you find you're getting, like, white guys thrown at you, too?

I mean, does it matter or does it feel like? You know, I've been, I've been very lucky to have amazing directors wanting to work to work with me regardless of, of the ethnicity of the character. I was cast in 0.30 as an American because that's the only way for you to, I mean, to be president of the United States and to be a member of the CIA, you need to be born in the U.S. So I played a character, Larry Clark, who was American. So it was my first time doing a full-on American accent for a film. And Catherine wanted to work with me, and she was open for me to do the work to be an American. It hasn't been my case

with David O'Rossel, the same thing. The character was third generation Long Island Italian and he turned it into Venezuela because he wanted to work with me and I feel very privileged and very proud but it doesn't mean

that the black and white casting process exists. So the fact that I've been privileged and lucky that I have had these opportunities doesn't mean that it applies the same. to other people and to other members of the Latino community when it comes down to Hollywood

or any other or any other industries, you know, any other field. So I hope that a movie like Hands of Stone can open new doors and actually can change the perception that maybe some people have, that some people want to impose, that some people want to promote stereotypes. I mean, stereotypes are, you know, I don't, I don't take them seriously because I understand the existence of stereotypes, but it is our task as warriors, like people who worry about the world to change them and to break them. Right. You know, I mean, I fully understand the existence. I mean, knowledge come from generalization. That's for sure. Sure. But when it comes down to

human phenomena, it is important to analyze each case individually. And I think that it is the job of artists and people in media and for communicators in general, for thinkers. If it's not too peccalance for me to say that we're thinkers, people who try to go beyond, to think beyond what is in front of us to break those stereotypes. And I hope that this movie helps to shine a different light to the Latino community. you were growing up, were you aware of a lack of Hispanic heroes in film, in TV? I mean, there was, you know, Antonio Banderas, but beyond that, like there weren't many movie stars. Yeah, no, it's true. Of course, there's, um, uh, as, as a kid as I was growing up,

I, I don't think it was, I was aware. Right. Of that. But, um, but, but of course, there's a, there's, there's, there's a gap that I think it's, it's getting, it's, it's, it's getting, it's, getting shorter and short and shorter. I mean, you see, I see, I see, I see he's beautiful, his great name on the, on this, on this, on this, a little whiteboard. Yeah, exactly, the whiteboard, Oscar Isaac. I mean, his career is amazing.

Guatemala. And, and, and, and, and he's having amazing opportunities as well, you know, regardless of his ethnicity and, and his, you know, origin and the same thing with, you know, Diego Luna, the L.A.R.C. of, um, uh, the Miam Bichir. I mean, there's a, there's a, there's a bunch. Wagner Mora, Juan Pablo Robert now.

I mean, I'm just, I mean, just naming the guys. I mean, I even talking about the girls. So I think that movies are always a reflection of society, art in general, in entertainment, both, are always a reflection of what's going on in, you know, in a very specific society. And I think that content in entertainment and in movies and in art, is reflecting the changes of American society in general. And the reality is that I think that the Latin talent

and the Latin presence in media in concert for entertainment and art, I think that it's, it is not exotic anymore. It is not a quote. You know, I think that it's just the people around you. Yeah, we are here. We're reflecting the world that you live in. Yeah.

I mean, your teachers, you know, your, your, your, your, your, you're co-workers. you know, your bosses, you know, I mean, they, they are Latino. They're part of the Latino community, which is a huge culture. Because this is a thing. The thing is that being Latin has nothing to do with race. Yeah. Because we are composed by all colors.

It's actually not an ethnicity by itself because you have, for example, Jonathan Jakubovitz. Yep. He's a director and writer of the film. He's Latino. He's Venezuelan. He's Jewish. There you go. 100%, 100% Ashkenazi, Polish Jew, who speaks.

speaks English with my accent because he's Latino as well so it has got nothing to do with religion. It's like our child Edgar. It's like our child. He's like our child. He's like our child. Exactly. Exactly. That's the thing. You know, and then so has got nothing to do with ethnicity, has nothing to do with religion. It is a culture. Yes.

You know, and it's a culture that is present and that it can really enrich, you know, keep enriching not only American society, but by the world at large. So I think it's also exciting like, you know, like from my vantage point in I cover films of all sorts and I appreciate and love films of all sorts

and like you know the superhero genre which is like obviously so omnipresent and like we're starting to see even reflected in that like I mean there was this like news the last week where this major character in the new Spider-Man film was played by Zendaya who's an African-American actress but she's playing a very iconic like white redhead and I feel like people were ready for an outcry

and maybe there were from some small segment but it kind of got deaf It kind of got left behind really quickly. And I think that's really heartening, and it gives, I think, all of us a little bit of hope that the next generation, even younger than you and I, are, it's not even an issue. Because social changes take a long time to happen,

and that is the thing. I mean, there are many things that start today, and we won't see the full results of whatever we plant today in our lifetime, in our lifetime. So it takes a long time, but it doesn't mean that it's not happening. I mean, the fact that changes are slow does not mean that they're not going to take place eventually. And I do believe in that. I think that everything is interconnected, you know, and I do believe in the interconnection between generations.

I mean, I wouldn't be able to be here talking to you and having this opportunity if it wasn't, you know, Roberto Julia or Antonio Vanderas or Maria Conchita Longso or there's a just, always one, you know, paving the road for the next generation and granting opportunities. And not only in acting, in music, in whatever form of art, you know, I mean, if, it's, it's, if it wasn't a Julio Iglesias, then you wouldn't have a Ricky Martin, that you wouldn't have a Maluma or a Juanis or a Shakira. You know, it's like everybody's paving the, you know, the road for the next generation. And look, what happened this year or last year when Hamilton came into the scene. I mean, it changed everything.

And actually, you know, one of the, it told one of the most important, you know, history lessons in America and look at the cast and look at it, look at a spin around it. So I think it is happen. I'm very positive. I'm very positive about it, you know. This last time you were here,

you were promoting two films. You've got at least two more coming out before the end of this year, right? Yeah, and again, Christmas Day. They're both Christmas Day again? No, not both, but I have Girl on the Train that is coming out in October and gold that is coming out on December 25th. Amazing. You're the Christmas guy now.

Yeah, so the Christmas guy, exactly. I hope I don't turn into the Grinch, but I hope the people like my movies. But yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty amazing, yeah. So Girl on the Train is this huge bestseller. I confess I haven't read the book myself. I haven't read the book either. But I just had actually, John Krasinski was actually in the last week. He got a chance to see the movie.

He said, she's amazing. Yeah, it's great. Have you seen the film? No, I haven't. I haven't. I will see it soon. Very cool. I'm very excited, though.

Yeah, it's kind of a hell of a cast. And Tate Taylor, right? And Tate Taylor, right? And Tate Taylor is amazing. Yeah. And Gold, which is something that's been around for a while. I remember hearing about this one for years. Me too, and I clank to it.

Yeah. Like, I never, I clung to it. I never let that movie go. And this one is intriguing on a number of levels. You've got, of course, McConaughey, Bryce Dallas Howard, who I love. You've also got Steve Gagan as the writer-director, who it's been a long while since he's director of film. From Syriana, yeah.

What do we need to know about this one? Just tease me. Man, I mean, let me tease you a little bit. Suriana is one of the best movies I've ever seen. It's one of the most influential movies to me for a number of reasons. I think that it's a, Stephen was able to create a very compelling thriller. It's such a, it's a very intellectual movie, but it's a thrilling, you know, movie. You can really feel the tension

and depression and you get so much information without feeling overwhelmed. I mean, it's amazing the amount of information that Stephen can process and turn it into a thrilling experience and not feel that you're watching an intellectual film or a documentary. So

it has a documentary feel but it's very dramatic. So he's a genius at achieving that. And that's what's going to happen with gold as well. I mean, it's a financial thrill. in a way, but that happens in the jungle. So actually, it takes place where all the promises of the financial people start from,

meaning that that's El Dorado, that most of these financial guys sell you to sell you the dream. And actually, it's an underdog story in a way. It's the story of this American prospector and this Argentinian English. geologist, of course, played by me. That's not McConaughey. That's not McConaughey. And their search for gold, you know. And again, it's a great metaphor of life as well.

Yeah. You know, I'm trying to tip around the... No, that's enough. That's good. That's good. But it reminds you of those films that I love, this, you know, Houston's films. Like Sierra Madre, that kind of thing. The treasure of Sierra Madre has that gravitas and that density. And it was our own heart of darkness.

We shot that in Thailand. Nobody had a heart attack. We almost did just out of the humidity just because it was so humid. And our set, eight of our sets were washed out by the river. Oh, my God. I mean, it was really hard. It was really, really hard to shoot that film. But every, every, every, every bit of the river.

that pain was worth it. I feel like this is a constant and we've talked about this throughout your work. I feel like you've earned a right to a very simple, easy romantic comedy shot on the streets of New York or L.A. We're on a soundstage with nice cushy trailer.

I mean, because we joked about that. You had said, hey, get me in a Judd Apatow film the last time I saw you. Man, yeah, I mean, Jodd, if you're listening. You know, HIPPA brother here. Come on. You and Chastain, romantic comedy. Yeah, man.

It's delightful. Yeah, things that, I mean, we've been trying, we've been trying, you know, in the last years to find a movie to do it together. I love story, you know, we haven't, we haven't quite found it yet, but we're still looking for it. But, because there's such a trust between them, between us, that I think it would, you know, it'd be a dream to do it. I think is that I love romantic comedies, but they're so difficult to really nail on the head. I mean, they're, I'm a huge fan of romantic comedies. I mean, when Harry met Sally. Yeah, I was going to say, unless it's like, you know what Ephron or James El

Brooks or Judd, like, there are a handful of them that can do it, and the rest are not so... Yeah, I mean, Train Rec was an amazing romantic comedy because you got, you know, I mean, there's so much intelligence and thinking and reasoning behind comedy. Exactly. That you need that, you know, and that, but it will come, you know, if it's, if it's meant to be, then it will come my way. It'll come around. As well, I mean, do you feel the, you know, you've dabbled in kind of franchise kind

of films before, do you feel kind of like the weight of like, I need my franchise, I need to get in on something like that? No, not really. No, not at all. It's working so far. You don't, you've been, it's working so far. You're finding great directors

that want to work with you. I'm finding great directors and strong voices and, and, and great stories and characters. So I don't feel, because I don't see,

and I think that we, we mentioned this when, in our last conversation, that I don't see my career as a checklist. Right. That, you know,

I played the geologist, and, okay, now I need to play the boxer. Right. And now I need to play the superhero. It doesn't work that way. Yeah.

I mean, for me, it's not a checklist, and it's not a vertical trajectory, it's more horizontal. It's about, I'm very old school. I love, I love strong voices, directors, good directors, or directors that I like, you know, and that have a very particular vision, an outlook, they have a, they have a voice, a point of view. I mean, I think a point of view is everything, because whatever we do, we do it from our point of view. So we, whether you want or not, you've got to have it. Have you seen anything this year that you've loved? Any new filmmakers or old filmmakers, new films that have struck you in any way?

You know, well, that's the irony of making movies, that you don't go... You're a little busy. Yeah, you don't go as often as you would love to the movies. Let me think. Let me first think the last time I went to... We're also admittedly in a weird time of year where, unless you want to see a... Yeah, the things that I've been really so busy doing promotion for Hands of Stone and doing ADR for the rest of the films

and that I haven't been able to I mean it's like on the top of my head right now what I what did I watch that really I'm thinking about just going to the theater you know when was it well I'm going to say the first thing that came up to my mind actually last time I went to the theater here in New York

yeah I watched Sicario De Neve enough was amazing it's amazing man I mean it's like It's one of the best films I've ever seen in my life. The sound design, the sound design. It's like a horror film because it's horrific what goes on in the film because that reality is a... It's not a thriller anymore.

I mean, the whole war on rocks is not a thriller anymore. That's a horror story. It's the closest to a zombie movie, you know? And it's so... You know, it's so terrifying at the same time. It's so beautifully shot the film. You're leaving lady in this one. And it's my friend, Emma.

Emily, who's amazing. They're all amazing. Benicio, yeah. But Ana, in this one, in Darmas, she's going to be in a Blade Runner or the new Blade Runner from Denny. Yeah, she said, yeah, actually she left today. She's about to, yeah, she left today for back to Budapest. I mean, normally, like, a sequel like that would worry me,

but that's what I'm saying. But the fact that Denise is getting his shot at that, that excites me. That's cool. No, absolutely. Very cool, man. Well, I always love Ring You, By, because not. Not only are you, you know, challenging yourself, always doing cool work, working with great people, but a genuinely smart, intelligent, cool guy. And you're always welcome here, man.

Thank you very much. Good luck with hands as soon. We'll see you and to talk to you and to your audience and to. I'll see you on social media. It's going to be a long, long or non-frenching. Goodbye, summer movies, hello fall. I'm Anthony Devaney. And I'm his twin.

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