Happy Sad Confused - Elle Fanning

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

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Get after him or have you shot You mean blow up the building From this moment on None of you are safe New episodes every Wednesday Wherever you get your podcasts When I was coming into this, I'm just like, you're the best interviewer ever. Because you always ask, I don't know, I feel, everyone feels comfortable and you always ask, like, unique questions.

Like, I just, I love you. Okay, we have to turn this off now. Too much. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Hey, guys, welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. I'm Josh Horowitz. Thanks for watching, listening. However you're doing it, I appreciate you.

I know my guest, El Fanning appreciates you. Don't you, Elle? Very much. So I'm a subscriber. She's the real deal. This is big. We're about to dive into everything. We're going to talk the great all the way back to the beginnings to, and we're going to talk, you know, somewhere, super eight.

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Yeah, totally. Elle, this has been a long time coming. Welcome officially to the podcast. Seriously. Thank you. We've been trying to make this work for me to come on and we DM and, you know, we're, we go way, way back. Okay. So I think you go way back with everyone. Like, you're all. always you know I've stuck around for a while but but you are unique L I will say this well you definitely are because your um assent um really dovetails with when I started doing what I did so I sent L recently of a blast from the past and I remember this I don't expect you to because you were like minus three at the time but um my first Sundance was 2007 and it was right when I started

to do interviews for MTV so you couldn't have been any earlier with me. me, to be honest. And I remember vividly interviewing this like preternaturally gifted strange alien. Definitely alien. Yeah. Oh my God. So that was your, that was our first interview together ever. That video is so amazing because it's literally the first time I'm meeting you, Melissa McCarthy. I know. Ryan Reynolds. Also like Melissa McCarthy like what. Okay, this interview because I was there for the nines, which is like this Sundance film. And what is so also crazy to me is like why did they allow Like me like this little kid to like be interviewed they paired me and Melissa up you know like this mega star and like she's having to deal with this little kid who's like trying to grab the microphone and like talk I was also like I have the photo let's look at the photo together just because I think I'm like trying to I'm like how well I probably was like seven or eight you would have been eight I did the math okay cool I mean come on how adorable this is for those listening I apologize but suffice it to say amazing. Oh my God. I'm going to be better today in this interview than I definitely was then.

That's a high URL. I don't know. I also talked about how I did sign language like for but also I that was my answer to it. I kept going back to it. I learned early. I was like this is my in. I'm going to say like I did sign. I kept going back. No, but that's actually like as you well know. That's kind of what they tell folks to do is like don't necessarily answer the question. Just just say what you want to say. You want to say. True. True. And I wasn't. I never. I wasn't media trained or anything. I never went through the ropes of that. But obviously, like with Dakota, I'd learned from seeing her, like, do the interviews and stuff.

But still, I don't know, I was a creature of my own existence, I think. I think it's really unique because, and so, yeah, so anyway, I think it's so exciting because, like, we've literally know each other. I mean, not well, but more in recent years. Yeah, we always see each other, yeah. And you're just getting famous and famous. Your head's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Literally bigger, sadly. but 17 years to know a human being

and like track them through their life and career is such like I mean it's a real privilege it's really cool but when you look back at like interviews like that and the early roles like you must have this like I don't know like is your perception of those early films or interviews like through the video like through the stuff

you watch back or your own memories it must get a little muddy of like what you remember versus what you're seeing yes I mean it is kind of nice because you have like a touchstone because maybe I wouldn't I would probably have like blurred memories of that but because I have interviews or photos it does take me back

to a time I mean I don't remember I would just remember fragments I guess but the funny thing about that Sundance trip I was so excited to see the movie right like I kept saying that it's very cringy watching it I have to say like I was so like oh no but

but I got altitude sickness that night and I didn't get to go and I got so sick and so that was like my one that press day was like the thing I did and then I was sick and I didn't

get to experience that so I remember that and yeah the movie experience I remember Melissa like I loved Melissa and I felt very also I can tell in that clip I'm like oh I felt so comfortable to kind of be a little cheeky with her because we were really close on set

and she still I mean that's also the really neat thing about being a child wild actor because when people are very nice, which I've worked with a lot of nice people, they do stay in your life or like, you know, it's not like I'm going to her house and hanging out with her, but at events, like, she will try to seek me out or, you know, and this happens with a lot of different people, but there is that connection there because they knew you when you were a kid. It's just a special thing. There must also be like this phenomenon where like you worked with so many amazing filmmakers and actors so early on, whether it's like, you know, it's Fincher,

Kate Blanchett, et cetera, it's like, you must now want to like, it would be such a different experience now for you. I do feel that way. I do. I know because I was, when I think about it, I definitely, I mean, I've worked with some of the greatest directors of all time. Like I've been so, but, but, you know, a lot when I was really small. Right.

Like, yeah, David Fincher, that was, I was seven when I did that. And I would love to like, all right, let's come back around. Remember me? I'm a little taller, but the same. I'm like, I did babble, but I was, I did babble, but I was a kid. So, and you are absorbing. So I, and I think now I can feel that, oh, that was very important that my impression and of film sets from early age were basically the top of the top in that sense.

So I knew the vibe and of how to act and how to kind of morph yourself or be able to you know, because each director calls for a different thing and they work very differently. And I was very malleable as a kid to, oh, judging their behavior. And that's helped me so much now. Is that still exciting for you? Because there are certain, like, you know, actors that like, like, like, like to kind of, like, give themselves over to a director and kind of like, okay, I'm going to be a collaborator, but I want to, like, I want the Fincher experience. I want the Sophia experience. And, like, that, they get off on that.

And there are other actors that, like, they do their very particular way of thing, and they're less malleable. And I guess maybe there's a happy medium in between because as you proceed in your career, you know the things that you like, that you know the things you respond to, you know the environments that work for you. That's true. I think I'm learning. I definitely, I don't know, I mean, because I'm also like in the, like, a producing area now or exploring that a little bit. So there is part of me that does not want to give my. over entirely like I give myself over entirely to the experience I'm like I'm on the ride and like I do want the full you know I want the Sophia experience and I know what that is going into it and it's like you would be robbed if you tried to like ostracize yourself from that like so but then at the same time I think that there I know there are things that I personally have to do which is normally after work at night like in a random you know hotel room or wherever you're staying that like I have to do for myself in order for it to work that the director doesn't even really know about yes and then I'm like if I have that homework done in a way then I can totally give myself over so can you pull back the curtain a little bit on what that is I know and it's what does that ask me I mean I it's it's all like it's all very much in my head like it's very imagination based and very I've never you know I know people do like dream stuff and things I've never done it

that you know um you're not doing like animal work in your room you're not doing mask work you're not no i'm not time for the hour long pey trip where i yeah i don't i don't do that okay but there are things like it might spur you're like oh well maybe they should move in a cat like way but like i'm not practicing it but i um yeah it's very imaginative like i also think i mean the lot you have to it's so basic but like knowing your lines for it's like so that's the starting point unless you have that especially what you're doing now with the great yeah god that is like you have to you have the volume the specificity there are some days when you don't know them like well enough how do you feel it and you're like oh but I'm I'm also like a procrastinator so I'm

hugely I always was in school like I wait to the last minute but I'm always thinking about it but the doing of something I'm like I know that my body needs to feel the stress of them but feel the stress same way i'm same way with prep like i over prep but like the actual real work like yes won't happen until the last yes and i'm like that on so yeah it's like i'll i memorize my lines basically the night before unless there's like huge monologues i'll be like okay i'll do it like three days before um but i also really feel like with a character i mean which is you don't always get the luxury of this because sometimes it does happen where you do like the biggest scene first but i do like to get my

toes wet a little bit and like not nothing is in place yet until you're on set doing the first scene and like I you do have to warm up like you have to warm up a little bit and like I would love to do you know just a scene where I just walked down the hallway first like right that would be really nice it never happens but you know well yeah I did for neon demon because we filmed chronologically he filmed chronologically oh rep and those yes that guy. Yeah. Yeah. So that was interesting. You work with some characters. I have. I mean, I do. I know. I love him. I do love I do too. I mean, and a great, by the way, a great interview. He's been on the podcast. Oh, has he? That guy's a madman. I mean, in the best possible way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's totally a character. Which I think, it's funny. It's like a dad of two girls and he's very normal. There was a doc about, was it. Was it the making of Neon Demon? Yeah, live made it. It was a wife. It was fascinating. It wasn't of Neon Demon. It was a drive, I think. Oh, was it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, that was great. of HappySed Confused is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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That's masterclass.com slash hSC to get up to 35% off for Mother's Day. I'm curious, you mentioned the producing career. We're jumping all around, but you know my work. That's what I do. Yeah. I guess I'm curious, like, again, having started so young, and look, this is a business that doesn't necessarily encourage. young people let alone young women to have a voice yeah do you remember like a transitional point where you felt like I feel like I am entitled and should have a voice on set and like it's okay for me to say what how I feel that yeah things should go I think that I know I feel like it happened with I mean kind of I started to step into that role more with the first season of

the great I mean I did produce like a Netflix little like film like all the bright places it was called and that was like very like a book and you know and it was you know I was producing on it but I was still like learning and I would get dailies and cuts and edits and I'm like oh this is kind of I have to learn to also adapt to that to like watching yourself at night which I'm okay with because I'm like a ham and I think it's from like child acting I'm like I think I can separate but it doesn't bother me that's that's key I do you know for many actors the definition of torch

Yes But I think Yeah on the great I like started to Also learn to like Put my foot down about things And it wasn't even It wasn't it wasn't about writing or

It's just in general I think also because directors I mean of course they very much matter On TV But the writer Tony is the big boss in that sense So there was also And also us actors we know more about our characters than the directors do

coming in on TV shows and I had that was a big adjustment for me because I well it threw me for a loop driven on film yes and also they're like kind of I mean they're they're they're coming in like kind of like revolving doors like no I know new people and like oh no but I just got used to you and now I'm having to so that was a real adjustment but then I think that kind of being not upset but like the the adjustment being annoying for me I learned okay no you need to just take matters into your own hands and tell them like no the camera doesn't need to be there like and also like you haven't gotten that shot why and so I got really vocal yeah through that experience um and I'm really like not afraid

to to show that side and I feel very comfortable there now I will say and I don't know if there was like a I mean I have a store I mean if it's like women in the industry and how you know It's, you have to learn to assert yourself. And you also, there's like an ageism thing too. No, again, yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Because I mean, I'm 25, which I also have to stop saying, I mean, it is young. But I think I also refer to myself, even in interview still. I'm like, but me being young, I say that. Well, there's. And I'm like, no, I'm actually not. And there's the next layer with someone very specific for someone like you is like you're stuck in a lot of people's mind's eye as, yes, you're obviously 25. but you are kind of 12 forever in some way in some ways yes and I feel like I I still refer to myself as saying oh I'm you know but I'm young so I don't really know and I think it's the politeness in me too of also how I was raised which you know Southern and respecting your elders and like which I firmly believe in but then also knowing that I'm I've been acting since I was two so I've seen I've been on a lot of film sets and I do know what I'm talking about.

talking about. No, you have more experience than 90% of the people on the set to be honest. Like, you've been on more film sets. Right. I have to remind myself of that. And I think I've gotten more comfortable now, like, checking myself a little bit. Be like, don't do that. You know. All right. So the reason, the fun reason we get to reunite today is, of course, the new season of the great, which is still, I mean, talk about the writing. The writing and this, the acting, it's just so delicious. Thank you. I watch the first couple episodes of the new season. Oh, cool. Good. It's great to get back with these disgusting, horrible. people.

I know. And talk to me about, like, when you signed on for this, was there a lot of trepidation? Because there are a bunch of, like, things that were new about this. The comedy, the specificity of what you were doing. We were just talking about that. The idea of being committed to something long term. Were these all red flags or all exciting things to kind of reckon with? It was also, yeah, I was 20, I think when I got the script, which was a movie script.

Right. So it was supposed to be a movie. that I think Tony showed to your ghost for him to get the favorite job. Right. He showed the great. So the favorite hadn't even come out yet. No. The favorite, yeah, the favorite hadn't come out yet.

It was filmed. Got it. But when I got the script, which it was a play in Australia that he put on, the great. And then he wrote a script, a movie for it. And he thought of me. Like that was Tony. He came to me. So there was no like auditioning or like, like, which was really a relief.

Get past that horrible. Horrible. I know you're not a fan of that. Not a fan. And so I, there was, and TV also, that was when it was really like TV was like hot, you know? And like, I don't know. Like, well, also like Emma Stone had done TV. Right.

All bets were off. Yeah, yeah. Like Kate Winslet's doing TV. I mean, that was a little later, but it was just like, you know, it wasn't so, oh, you're doing TV. It wasn't like that. So it was really exciting. And but I, and so, and I read the script, which was. like unbelievable but I didn't have anything to compare it to tonally but it was very I could see

it like how I could that humor is my humor off the page and be yeah I'm spoiled like now I'm like with scripts I'm like I can see the difference I can tell but I guess the trepidation is always that you're going to lose out just lose something because it does take like seven months to do yeah you know and the second season actually took nine months but I think So that definitely, you know, was something that we all talked about because they were just telling me because they know how I get because I'm like hungry. Like they're like, you're going to hear about stuff and like, are you going to be okay that you're not in that, you know? And of course I was like, okay, I think about it. But I knew there was this was so special.

Like I, it was, I couldn't dare let anyone else do this. And also to form the relationship with Tony and knowing him was like that's the most important as well. You know, but the character, I just, the character of Catherine, even though in the first season, you know, and it was just a movie script, the pilot, like, I didn't know where it was going to go. Right. But I also could see, which I love, like, like messing people's view of me up because she comes in as this innocent, very romantic. like what people think of me as and then I could see the potential to like turn it on its head. Well, it subverts every expectation for something like this, right? Like you look at just like a still from it.

You're like, okay, I know what this is. And for anybody that's anywhere like hung up on like, oh, you know, the costume drama thing is a little stuff. This is like the most biting, funny, smart dialogue you're going to find on TV. I think so. I think so. It must be delicious. And I also love speaking of like actors that I've like come of, you know, along the ride with Nick Holt.

I mean he's my I we talk often we're like can we please be like the you know Hepburn grant like can we like do like can we just work together all the time his comedic timing his dryness the way it's it's perfect so what do what have you you would work with him a little bit prior yes so what by now having known him for a while like on season three is there anything new to know about Nick Holtz or the way he works or are is all the mystery gone I feel like I know everything I really we're very close I feel like I mean yeah I definitely know a lot by this point but I but that has helped us I mean you know because people also ask about because people love the word chemistry you know they love that word but it is true like chemistry is a thing

and I do like we definitely have it in that like doing our scenes together we just it's like we're reading each other's minds and we're also so not afraid to tell each other like that was bad like yes that's valuable yeah trust somebody and feel like you can say it without hurting someone's feelings like we can see in the middle of takes like I'm like oh he I can see it in his eyes and he can see it in my eyes and it's and we know exactly um and but I I I am curious like what other people would say about if chemistry is needed because I actually don't know if I don't, in my heart of hearts of like acting in the world, I don't think it's needed. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a participant.

But then it does add something. I've heard enough stories. It can only help. Help. Yes. But it's not necessary. I agree. I agree with that.

Yeah. I agree with that. Do you guys talk? I mean, there's a lot of downtime. Like when he's up for Batman, are you like, you got to get this man. Well, we talk. So I know, because I know he's talked about these things. Because I was torn at the time.

I was like, oh my God, Nick is Batman to be amazing. And I'm like, Pattinson's another one I've known for. I know, I know. Amazing. I know. Well, I always gave Nick a lot of it. I was like, you just don't have the jaw for it. I'm kidding. Again, friends can say that.

Friends can say that. Just a little more chiseled that would have worked. No, I'm like, I want Nick to get everything. Of course. I was very, I think the Mission Impossible thing I was very sad about. I know. And that was just a timing thing. Yeah, that was a great timing thing.

But then I think, I mean, which was probably good, but it went to someone much older. Yeah, it's it. So it wasn't like, you know, that was nice. Yes. But he was. training for that while filming season one maybe but you know and he was eating all this like boiled chicken and like I'm like got all good next at T.C you know waking up at like 3 a.m. and you know working with Tom like you know it was very exciting and I know you know we talk

about that like we know how stuff feels it doesn't feel good does it yeah I was going to say like look you know the nature of this he's on the great and he knows he's doing great I literally watched Renfield last night. And now he's going to be in a Clint Eastwood movie. I know. My God, my mom is very excited about this because she loves like jury like courtroom traumas. Where did those go? I'm ready. I know. I'm ready too. Yeah. So, I mean, you bring up a topic that, you know, comes part and parcel with any acting career, unless you're like Tom Cruise. Yeah. Rejection. And like, you know, you've had to deal with that your entire life. I know. And it never ends. I mean, not spoiler word. It never ends. Hell. No. So does, have you got to

better at kind of navigating like when you really love a part and you're excited about it and you think you're the one and for a thousand different reasons it just doesn't happen I know how do you let go how do you move on that is the one thing that I have to work on yeah this is a project yeah this is and I knew you were I because I when I was coming on here I was like oh I had enough time because I was thinking about projects that like if there's anything that I like have lost that I really wanted I'm the kind of guy that's going to bring that up yeah yeah I know because I watch the, I'm a subscriber. Well.

Yeah, but I'm trying to think. June, Dune part two. Okay, well, yeah, Dune, I didn't even get to, um, I didn't, I wasn't up for it at all. Okay. Okay. But it, well, it, yes, it feels better because there was no rejection. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, which that's like nice, but it was a scheduling thing again. And hey, I might have not gotten it, but it was like, because I also seek things out. Like I call, I'm like, and I know things. They can't hide anything from me. Like my, like my ages and stuff. They always, they try to keep things secret or don't tell me about projects. They know that I'll get. Yeah.

When a cool director's out there. Yes. Yes. Yes. But then I'm also so, like, you know, I'm, you know, very, it's not a, it's not from jealousy, but like everyone, I think deserves their own place. But I think, I think it's the experience that I, get excited about or because I also

I'm very few like I just I think about how the experience would be and I like paint the picture of what it would be in my mind way before I mean this is like you know way before I've even once they say what the project is I'm like oh and I'll be working with him and then we'll be doing this and I'm that person and so I just get

sad about not being able to work with the director or like have that was there is there an example you can think of like almost like a collaboration or like meeting with someone at least you had that experience like i mean i think of someone like basleurman who like puts the actors through the paces and you almost like have this relationship over months of auditions yes well there was two there was two actually so um well joe right and i were supposed to do the little mermaid oh and he was attached to it before sophia i forgot about that's right of course yes and it was like with working title and it was going to be the first

every now there I mean obviously little mermaid's coming out but it was it was going to be the like she turns into foam version very dark very musical or um theatrical like he does and because his family or his dad does the did the puppets and stuff and so it was you know kind of in that vein

and I had to I won that part he made me sing my audition and I don't even know if it was a musical maybe no it probably was because she sings that's a big thing it was but he made it wasn't a song like the lines so I went in and I read the lines and did the scene but then he said you know through this at me in the room now I want you to sing all the lines when we read the scene okay and so I did and then he gave it to

me in the room oh that's that's a moment which was but that was also very exciting because it was like we're going to do it and then yeah I don't it just it didn't work out because I think it was the budget was going to be like astronomical because it was the first time they were going to film underwater like and do and he had this whole plan of how it was going to be and you know they didn't even what was it like pirates I think car Delavine did like mermaid work or no he did pan Peter Pan yeah yeah yeah it was the Pan yeah with the mermaid's but it was like a whole thing so that but then it just fell apart so you're like oh well that That's done.

You know? Yeah. But then you also feel like, well, Joe knows me now. Yeah, you have that experience. And it's a long career. Yeah. Exactly. And Jim Mangold with Patty Hurst.

That one fell apart right at the last second, didn't it? That was a rights thing or something. It was. It was also, you know, which I've actually talked to Jim since, which we're like, you know what? Could come back around? Well, it could come back around, but I don't think Jim feels like he should be the one to tell that woman's story. Got it. And we're like, yeah, that's probably fair.

Yeah. Even though at the time, you know, it was, well, it was also like Me Too had just happened. And so, not that Me Too destroy the project, but it was just like everyone was learning. Oh, okay, maybe that's not right. You know, but I was younger or two. And so, of course, it stung because you want to work with him. No, that's, that's a juicy story on a hell of a filmmaker. Yeah, so there, I gave you some.

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Did you ever have like a Star Wars meeting with JJ? Did that not come around? You know, never. no rude of j j j and i are very i mean we are very close yeah but i always suspected i mean i'm trying to remember i always suspected that he just knew i don't think i was old enough she was old she's older than me and for that time i was probably you know and i think people kind of viewed me still like young i was 12 when i did super eight i was the youngest of the group

I had forgotten that. That blew me away when I did the map. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think also, I don't know, blonde hair can, you know, I don't know, the sunny disposition. I think it, Daisy, it works. I don't know if I, physicality, you know.

Is there, look, you've done like big films and the Mollificent films is, you know, you kind of had your kind of franchise kind of thing going. Is there like a pressure or a sense for any young actor now? Like, I do need to have that. I mean, you have that in the great that it goes and it may, presumably it'll hopefully go for a couple more years if you even want it um but like that you need kind of like that to be entrenched in marvel or dc or star wars or you're not relevant i don't feel that way well that's good i don't i do feel i mean it obviously it does something

for people you know but you also don't know if they're going to work sometimes which is also scary um i've never i'm like have i got oh yeah i i i i I did try out for, what should I say? You're in it now. The publicist is out the room. I know. I know. What I don't like about this story, I'm not going to say what it was because I don't like.

It's, yeah, because it, yeah, but it's, I didn't get a part once for something big. Okay. Because, and hey, it might not have just been this reason, but this was all, this was the feedback that I heard was because I didn't have enough Instagram for. followers at the time okay yeah and so that was a little like okay i i mean that i firmly don't believe in like i ever not getting apart um but you know and it was for one of like a bigger thing like a franchisey thing um but yeah i mean hey i would never say i would not say no to those things but i would have to like have a meeting and like i don't know really talk and see what it is

and um but yeah i've never like you know i didn't have to go through what nick did where like you know like doing all that stuff i think they make them like try the suit on yeah yeah yeah that's crazy yes but yeah i wouldn't say no but i don't think you need it i but i do think you need a balance yes because if you want to do your indie work especially in producing now i realize well there are scripts that i want to take a chance on and produce and they're small but then you know you have to know maybe it's about the experience and everything you know it is about the experience but then okay you're you need something that has a if you have the backing of knowing that you have that thing it it does make you

breathe better it does it just does okay we mentioned the producing a couple times you and dakota have a production company now yeah are your sensibilities totally in lockstep every human being has like who like who's more subversive who's like more what like are you always on the same page um we we are pretty much on the same page i will say yeah yeah we do but we can like convince each other okay yeah we're we're pretty like diplomatic we are um we are a good team because some i'm more cynical about things i don't think people would i'm um a bit more of a snob yeah yeah and she kind of has to ground me a little bit and then i'm like oh god you're right yes yeah that is okay maybe you know

don't right you know yeah so yeah I don't know so but we agree we are good because with that yeah yeah you guys are always asked and I remember talking to Dakota right I think as the pandemic was just starting because like you guys were about to shoot yes finally like I know get in the fanning sisters together and it fell apart for for COVID for COVID yeah and it sounds like that's not the one potentially at this point but like are you are you eyeing do you have the the project in mind now or it's sort of like when it comes it comes there is actually well okay the nightingale still might okay okay i think coming back around so and i i think we both would want that to be the one honestly um we do the script is so good the book is so beloved like it's um yeah that i i'm hoping

that that does work but there are also you know what's so funny which it's like you know when everything you're filming you know like teen spirit when i did that that film like Vox Lux came out and Starsborn like it was all the you're like but we didn't even know they were filming that way it there's something in the air there's something in the air where like all the creatives have the one idea at the same time and I feel like now people are like a sister thing like lots of sister things are coming to us and we're like okay we can't just work together now and everything like now it's like where were you one and then you can like face that problem but we also did think it kind of might be really fun to do like

different sister stories yeah always do an anthology i know but we have to do like the first one first right yeah but there are other things yeah we have like actually a really good idea for something but we haven't told that yeah tony should do oh really yeah um video game universe yes tell me about death stranding i'm not a i'm not a gamer but i know people are obsessed with hey and nijima yes so what is your participation is that mocap or what it is mocap how was the experience i worked with all the same people from Avatar all those guys in it wasn't the same studio but it was one of them like in LA yeah um I had never done it before and I was the whole I was like they had to really like kind of walk me through and I did it you know with Leah Sadoo who's you know she's in it and Norman

Redis is the main guy and but also you're all there together like you know and I was I think when I signed up for it, I wasn't sure what it would entail. Like, I didn't know that it would be true acting in scenes and stuff. Right. I don't know. You're like going to be in a VO booth and like, yes, yes, which there is a bit of that. But there was like, there's, you know, like emotional scenes in it. And I'm like, and the Hideo's there.

And he's like, okay, now you cry. And you're like, oh, oh, my God. Okay. So like, I have to like get in the mood. But in the whole. I mean, it is a, because I do. I'm someone that Tactile needs the

A little bit Yeah like I mean it definitely Definitely helps But you can You know Maleficent there was like A lot of green screen and stuff I remember oh my God

This is funny There's like a scene In Maleficent where She turns to dust like in my hands Like my mom You know Literally as it happens As it happens in the scene

And I was It's a very emotion I was like hysterically You know crying but Angelina was there on the day with and we did the you know the whole thing and then Disney some people came to me and said okay so we know you and it was like I was like I knocked it out the far you know it was but it was like hysterical like for the scene you see what held it today yeah it was like when you get a clap you know and and then Disney came and they were like it was

so wonderful you know but you know we wanted to add a line and so we were one and Angelina was not there at the moment and so they were like so we want to um we need to do the whole scene again and then and i and i told them no like i can't do better than what i just gave you well it wasn't even like i could i could but i just felt like well i also felt like but there's voiceover yeah you can add you know and they actually we really talked about it and everything and it wasn't like oh no it was just like hey like you know i don't well this is a good example of like someone that knows yeah and maybe and it also took a lot of i remember that day because it took a lot i was like i didn't want to say no you know you want to make them happy and um but yeah we came

to like an agreement and we actually worked it out but then i also realized oh yeah maybe i know like filmmaking it's like you don't have actually you don't have to i was like kind of walking through i was like but i was here and there yeah totally this is valuable for an actor yeah so have you seen what you look like in the game like is that a trip to see i have yes i have seen but i mean you know like the game is you look like you know it's me but he does you know you look cool are you a gamer at all is this kind of totally i'm not a gamer and he knows that um but i definitely will play he sent me a ps3 hey there's a perk i know and like all my like my gamer friends like they're like freaking out this is the best thing i've ever done

in their eyes you know Instagram and comments I'd never experienced that. No it's fervent yeah yeah I know you have good taste what are you watching what are you watching movies TV what are you obsessed with lately I finished beef beef's great yeah beef is I was

I was sold on the concept like someone told me what that concept was I was like that is genius idea I love that so I really enjoyed beef I'm obviously I'm watching succession I'm not up to date because of the Met I didn't watch it on Sunday on Monday so yeah I didn't I haven't but I do watch um filmmakers you're obsessed with lately you talk about like chasing projects in a good way like like making it

happen who are you dying to work with right now that's true I've always I mean I want to work with PTA I mean come on I know I was trying I was like licorice pizza I was like I'll be back on it I'll do anything I was fit in that milieu that was a lost opportunity no I mean but it like no but it made sense but I yeah I I was like yeah please I but again like on it like I'm like seeing oh um Ruben Osland I want to work with yeah yeah I'm trying to get on that plane yeah yeah is there anyone like because he's doing an airplane yeah yeah yeah I love that he tells you what it is I know he's amazing I know um when Dakota books something like quentin when once a time happens that must be like I know that was do you visit set do you're like or no that's not a that's not a that's not cool

I think I was filming the grade, actually, so I couldn't. Okay. Also, there are some moments when we both respect each other's. Let her have that experience. Yes, experience. And it's like, that's a you thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

You, we mentioned, we haven't really talked about somewhere, but I do want to mention, like, Sophia is obviously such an important figure in your life. Is this, like, a kind of person that isn't just about the work? Like, do you keep in contact with Sophia? I do. I do. We do. she's yeah it was so special i think like when i was 11 when i did somewhere and that was really

i mean i don't that was like really one of my first movies yeah you know i guess like of playing well it's a prominent a prominent role and a lot's on you a lot yeah a spare script it's putting a lot on you as a young totally yeah and and just having sophia in charge and and of that and my first experience being with a woman and seeing her in charge in that way and and just how kind I mean she's the most gentle but also but we talk about this too because sometimes she doesn't like it when people describe her that way right right right she's like yeah but I'm you know she's she's she's tough too she's strong and tough and she knows what she wants and she's not just even because I think people because her movies have a very feminine touch and so then

they like to they think oh well she must be you know and I mean she's the kindest person and works with her friends which she all that's her advice she's like if you ever do something just hire your friends you know um but it's interesting because it's like but she you know somewhere's about a man yes well they also it's not that feminine I mean it has there's a young girl in it and she understands her existence but it's not you know overly I think I think what people confuse is like her films often have kind of like a dreamy loose vibe that almost feels like you can mistake for haphazard, like it just happened by accident,

when in fact, like, she's creating a world in each one. 100%. I mean, on the beguiled, too, I was so... I think the cinematography in that movie is so outstanding, and it was all on film. There was not one light. I mean, maybe we had... Everything was natural light, candle lit.

You know, she... We had a lot of screen tests about the look and the... It doesn't just happen. No. no and um and it's really put together like a painting you know her i think the best movies are but um i think i i know i remember asking her one day like i was right it was all the beguiled but i was like wait so i was like wearing a purple dress and i'm wearing purple and then but the set like it goes so well with the dresses like yeah yeah she's like yeah i mean i knew that but then i was

like oh yeah like it struck me that that it was all like obviously planned I don't know it's like yeah of course but there was just I don't know it all there's something about that but she I mean acting wise too she really you know

she's so like present with her actors and there's a lot of rehearsal and she believes in getting to know each other well and creating those dynamics and or you know keeping people apart like if yeah there is that yeah um our time is flying by let's let's let's do the

happy second fuse profoundly random questionnaire for you okay uh l do you collect anything what do you collect i i was a big collector when i was a kid i collected chevron cars do you know those little things yeah yeah so i would go to like all the gas stations like and try to get all i've bucket like i have them still i collected care bears i have every care bear. Okay. I collected chicken bones from like chickens like wish bones. Wow. If I won the pull, I would keep them in my purse. We had to like throw it out because I was like because I was beginning to be like Britney Murphy in Girl Interrupted like smelling like chicken. That's a scary discovery at airport security when they go through the bag. Yes. Human chicken? What is this? And I used to do gum

wrappers. Okay. Which this is becoming like an intervention. Yeah. I don't this episode of hoarders. brought to me by half a second fuse. Yes. I get attached to items, but I don't, yeah, as of recently, I don't as much. Okay. What's the wallpaper on your phone? It is of my dog,

late dog, who she passed away. She was our family dog. Lou Ellen, who Llewellyn Pictures is named after. There you go. Yes. Very sweet. Is there a movie you're embarrassed to admit you've never seen? Oh, oh, for sure.

I'm trying to think. You know why also? Because I've probably said in interviews, like, what's your favorite movies? And, like, where I was younger, like, this one, like, never. Never trust an actor. Yeah, I have seen Godfather films, which not, I hadn't as of, I've never seen Goodfellas. It's a good one. I know.

Check it out. I know, so that's a problem. Marty's not going to be happy. I know, like, yikes. Cross that one off the list. No, no, no. What's the worst note a director has ever given you? Oh.

Oh. With more attitude. More of what you're doing. Yeah. More attitude, which I didn't know if that meant sassy or I'm like what attitude. Can we be more specific? Yeah, exactly. Yes.

But I do like sometimes, I mean the best notes are like faster, slower. Right. Very specific. Yeah, but very specific. Practical. Yeah. Okay, let's name drop for a second. What's a celebrity that when you get a text from them,

it blows your mind still to this day? What gets you excited? I mean, I have a few. Peter Dinklage and I talk all the time. We are still best of friends from what we did. I think we're alone now together. Read Marana, right? Yes, yeah.

And also Lowdown, another movie that when I, yeah, yeah. And we kissed in both of those movies. What a distinction. I know. Yeah. But yes. Peter kind of blows my mind. I mean, I have gotten texts from Angelina Jolie, which is earth-shattering.

Do you have code names for people? Do you keep it as the actual name? I think she's AJ. I don't know. I'm scared. I don't know. I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't. Or I'm like very, you know, because it's just really fun to see it pop up.

Angelina Jolie. So I'm going to spell it out. That's really fun. in the spirit of happy second fuse what's an actor that makes you happy they pop up on screen I'm in a good mood now gosh okay a lot

I mean well one of the movies that makes me happy which is so weird it's not weird because it's an absolutely incredible movie but people might not think this I have to stop apologizing I'm like this is who I am but all the president's men oh yeah that's like a

like a nice watch for me though like it's a I'll put it on all the time like that Robert Redford doesn't hop like their dynamic yeah I'm like I just it makes me very happy no I get it that's that's like they are so good at phone calls in that which is I would say the hardest thing to do interesting in movie wise just selling it and often you don't have the other actor on the with you I know there's something about also you you start to get in your head of like I'm holding a phone and I'm it's like when you're on the phone you're on the phone you're So not thinking about what you look like at all when you're on a phone call.

Right, right, right. And there's one moment, I don't know, like, Robert Wright, he like flubs the line. He says something wrong. It's so, it makes me so happy. I don't know. Is it a movie that makes you sad? Yeah, I mean, a lot of movies, yeah, a lot of movies make me sad. About Time made me really sad.

That is a good one, Richard Curtis. Yeah, that made me really sad. When the little red-headed boy running on the beach together, And I didn't know the twit Like I didn't know so the first time I watched it I was like Yeah Yeah no

With you on that one Yes And finally a food that makes you confused Oh A food I mean pickles make me confused In any form It doesn't matter

Just the I don't like pickled things Yeah I mean pickled onions Okay I'll do I just don't like I'm like you're a cucumber

But you're not I don't like cucumbers either Like I just I don't know And people are obsessed with them i don't mind them on their own i don't like it on a sandwich that is a that ruins the whole damn yeah it also seems like it can be in too many four like not forms but

it's just like are you slimy today are you crunchy like i will never eat you i don't want you around out of my life yeah all pickles yes everyone notice now l yeah um this was a breakthrough session um thank you for finally being on the podcast our schedule's final Mesh. You're welcome anytime. Let's not make it another 25 years. I know. God, seriously. No, we won't. We won't. But, no, I, there's, yeah. But I, I, look, this is exciting. This is first 17 years of our relationship done. And it's, we're going to go on this journey together. I'm going to check in with you. And I love that. Um, congratulations. The Great is one of the smartest cool shows out there. People check it out, uh, on Hulu. And, um, yes, stay out of the way of

pickles. I don't know. Yeah. I, well, you're, I also, was like when I was coming into this I'm just like you're the best interviewer ever because you always ask I don't know I feel everyone feels comfortable and you always ask like unique questions like I just I love you okay we have to turn this off now too much uh no thanks truly for doing it thank you and so ends another edition of happy sad confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts I'm a big podcast person I'm daisy riddley and I definitely He wasn't pressured to do this by Josh. Hey, Michael.

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