Happy Sad Confused - Emma Stone & Jesse Plemons

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

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edition of happy sad confused today we have Emma Stone and Jesse Plymouth's two of the greats of their generation talking about one of my favorite movies of the year Here, Yorgos Lanthamos' Bagonia. Guys, thanks as always for joining me on the podcast today. Really excited to share this one. We taped this actually at the Telluride Film Festival a while back. We've been holding onto it until the world at large could see the movie. Bagonia comes out in theaters this Friday.

I highly, highly, highly recommend it. I'm obsessed with it. More on that in a second. Okay. So before we get to Jesse and Emma, I want to remind you guys, we are publishing a ton of really great conversations on HappySac Confused lately. In fact, three a week, which is a lot of work for me, the editors and everybody. I hope you guys are enjoying it.

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on a long-form conversation, let alone the two of them together, but I was so honored that Jesse Plemons and Emma Stone joined me in this recording that took place at the Telly Ride Film Festival. You guys have heard me talk about Telly Ride before, one of my favorite places on Earth. Bagonia premiered there. Was it at Venice first? I think it was at Venice, and then it came to tell you ride. But it was, it is one of my favorites of the year. It's a wild ride.

It is from Yorgos Lanthamos, so you should expect nothing less. I will say it is in some ways, though, I wouldn't say. I would never say it's conventional. Yorgos doesn't make conventional. But it is a familiar type of movie. It's a kidnapping movie. It is a drama with some dark comedy to it. Jesse plays a guy that feels very wronged and kidnaps an executive played by Emma Stone

that he places a lot of the blame in his personal life for. I want to say much more than that, except to say they both deliver exceptional performances, even by their very, very high standards. I hope they're both in the awards conversation, not that that thing, ultimately matters. But for my money, they're as good performances as I've seen this year. I'm obsessed, as I said. And Emma hasn't been on the pod for a long while. I, you know, I go way back with both of these folks, Emma especially. I mean, all my MTV stuff way back when kind of my rise at MTV coincided with the rise of Emma Stone. So I always appreciate her. I think this was like the only conversation like this she did at Tell You Ride. So that meant a lot. And Jesse is somebody that, um, I I just think is one of the great talents, and this might be his best performance yet. And that, yes, again, is saying something. So this is a really fun conversation about the film, but also these parallels in their careers and some other stuff that we get to.

I think you're going to dig it. I know you're going to dig it. So, yeah, again, straight from the Tell You Right Film Festival. And by the way, you know, no professional crew. This is like iPhones. So, you know, apologies if this isn't up to the high standards, video standards that we try to keep on the podcast. but I think you're going to enjoy it nonetheless. Here is Emma Stone, Jesse Plymonds, and me talking begonia.

Enjoy. What are the adjectives to describe our conversations in the past? I've never done the two of you together. I don't know what's going to happen. Anything could happen. This is happy, say, I'm confused royalty as far as I'm concerned. Thanks, Josh. Me, us?

Yes. I mean, yes. Oh, come on. She's an OG. She's an original. But in recent years, Jesse has become part of the club. How many times have you guys talked? How many times have we talked?

This probably goes back to like House Bunny is probably our first. But that was pre even like Happy Sat Confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in House Bunny? Jesse, how dare you? I'm sorry. Of course I was in House Bunny. What do you mean?

I know that movie. You haven't studied the early works. We clearly don't know that movie very well. I think you're just so transformative. Oh, okay. Have you seen, by the way, it is the 20th anniversary of the New Partridge family. Congratulations. Thank you so much.

I know there are a lot of festivities being planned. Yes. Yeah. Yes. There's a big part. party on the roof tonight. If you'd like to come. The rager at Tellyright.

Yeah, there's a rager at Tellyride. We are at the Telluride Film Festival for context. Correct? Is that where I am? Oh, is that where we are? Yeah. Okay, good. Check.

Next check. We're talking about your fantastic new film, Bagonia from Yorgos, Lantamos. Check. Check. Any other things to tell the audience before we really dive into the deep stuff? Like I told you, I'm just having a great day. Jesse's been having the best day.

Jesse what's happening like you're enjoying film in a beautiful environment and it's my first tell you're right and so many people have told the mic for me it is my first tell you're people have told me how much they look up but that's too much isn't it the best festival ever you've heard everyone's told you this before yeah so many people have told me that's their favorite festival and i see why now it's just i think partly because films aren't really in competition with one another. And they do this really sweet class photo at the beginning. I don't know, it's very nice atmosphere. And so beautiful, like everywhere you go is gorgeous and then you're really relaxed and you can go see a bunch of movies. You, I was looking up both of your respective amazing

careers in terms of film festivals. Was your first film festival super bad Toronto? Do I have that right? Does that sound right? I don't know that I went to that. Really? Yeah. Do you have any early memories of like a film festival because that's like a that's a moment a shift in a career i want to say that we went to toronto for easy a okay and i think that maybe was the first time i went to a film festival don't quote me on that no you know what also zombie land went to sitches film festival and fantastic fest that must have been a scene which was really fun yeah yeah um but my first time at tell you ride was for la la la land so i hadn't been here before and it's i love i love being here Jesse first film festival experience for you.

I was just trying to remember. South by Southwest, maybe. That was early on, like observe and report, maybe. Oh, sure. That sounds like a South by. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I was joking about, like, you know,

new Partridge family, but, like, I think back to your early days. Like, I mean, think back, adultery for a second, where you guys were, how you guys started out, and where you sit today, working with the Orgos, working with the best filmmakers repeatedly. Like you guys get the best material, the best filmmakers. I mean, do you take stock of that occasionally of like the beginnings versus where you are? No, we never think about that.

Other people kind of have to remind you. And I appreciate it because, yeah, it truly, it truly just exceeded anything I ever had in mind. of what could be possible Walker Texas Ranger as a kid Are you thinking one day Tell you right What was the assortation I was just thinking about kicking that guy's butt

I was just playing a bully I played a lot of bullies And then But then he got revenge Because Walker Texas Ranger taught him A lesson He taught the kid that I was beating up

How to get me back so I'm sorry to hear that It's okay I had it coming but like what was the idea of success early on for each of you like what were the early goals of what my early goal was to be on a sitcom I was like that would be the greatest thing in the world or to be on SNL right um it was very much comedy and it was very much like television comedy so it's been to say that this is all surreal and crazy and I never saw any of the sort of way that this has

gone so far coming is like an understatement was it was there a dream i mean my dream is still s and all honestly that didn't change well hosting and memorable episodes i mean hosting is so it's such a lucky break because you do it for a week it's so relentless and hard and then obviously my my husband worked at s&L for five years and it's very different when someone is working there as opposed to getting to come in and they're treating you so nicely and everything's great but It's like the grind of S&L. I'm just in awe of everyone that works there in a really deep way. I always have been, but now I really have seen it up close.

And it's just like, it's a miracle that they can put that show together every Saturday. This guy should host SNL. Jesse, you've never done it, have you? You've never done it. Does that intimidate you, scary, you excite you? Do you think you would do all that? Yeah. Do people turn down SNL?

Some people do. Yeah. Is they afraid of the live tele? television aspect or they don't think they're funny which is I would try it I'd give a shot you'd be great help for the best okay we're secreting into the universe today so what was outside of us and I what was the dream TV show early on that you aspire to be on it's really funny I remember specifically and it was Friday night lights was the first time that it occurred to me maybe I could actually do this for a living I think because I started when I was a kid and it was just

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Your movie's fantastic. I saw it the other day. Okay. I don't even know what the elevator pitch is because we don't want to tell them too much. What should the audience know going into Bagonia? Because the title doesn't tell them much or anything. No, you'd have to look it up like I did. I had not heard that word before.

Yeah. So what's the elevator pitch? Well, yeah. What do you think an audience should know going in? I want your elevator pitch. I know the log line too well. Just a couple of crazy guys that kidnap a lady.

That's good, right? Some wacky guys. There's two wacky guys. I think you're back at TV sitcom. Two cuckoo dudes. I love to see that trailer. Grab a lady and take into a basement. You guys are going to love it.

Was there an official elevator pitch? Was there a log line? There must have been a log line, obviously. Like an official. log line for marketing purposes yeah I don't know I mean like no I mean the script I think it was just kind of reading the script because we had both worked with Yorgas before so it was kind of just like hey read this movie you know I think I think I did look up save the Green Planet and so I read that synopsis probably

but other than that it was just a script is part of the joy I mean there are a lot of reasons to do this I mean obviously you both have worked with Yorgos and you know that's always a fun time but also like the you referenced this in the Q&A the other day like it has elements of a play I mean you guys have really it's three actors for much of it and just getting to dig in a single set for a really good portion of this film must have been an extraordinary opportunity oh yeah well that's I know I did have that thought that it that it read like a play but it's so gripping and compelling and constantly unfolding that it didn't feel like a

typical play you know It felt really entertaining for a play, you know, and... So, Jesse hates plays. We're learning a lot about me. You know what I mean, guys. It felt like actually entertaining. I'm like a play. I'm not one of those.

Play plays. I love plays. I love plays too. But I know it feels very cinematic. It really does feel like it needs that sort of cinema element to bring it to the next. And watching the movie, I don't, I keep saying this about it, which sounds like such a stupid thing to say, because it's like, of course. And it is a stupid thing to say, but it like feels like a movie. Yeah. Because there's so much dialogue and there's so much kind of explaining going on. And there's so much action that it, it, um, it feels very heightened to me. It has a little like your ghost meets cone brothers for me. There's a little heightened like a like a manic energy. Yeah. To it that like you kind of get wired into. I mean, I don't know if it's the tell you're right at the altitude, but this is like, there's a lot of sad parts about this and disturbing parts about this, but it's a very fun movie to watch. It's a very entertaining movie at the

end of the day. I mean, how much do you guys, having worked with your ghost before, obviously as a producer as well, like, you know, talk about tone about like what you're going for, what you want an audience to feel, or is it's no, literally no discussion? I don't think I've ever heard him say, I want the audience to feel this. Right. He doesn't, but he will say, with both kinds of kindness and Bougonia. It's a comedy. About everything. That's the most consistent note

that he'll give you while you're doing a scene. It's a comedy. How does that impact your performance? That impression is divine. It's like he's here. It's a very niche stand-up routine, the Yorgos 45-minute set that Jesse can do. No, it's literally only a 10-second set.

Right. I'm just saying that. Good night, everybody. The last time I saw both of you guys was for kinds of kindness. Obviously, like, the goals are different. I mean, I would imagine making something like that. You know that's going to be a very particular audience, and that's fine. Like, movies can serve different purposes. I mean, is that on your mind that, like, again, like the goal is different?

Or does it matter, like, when you get into the material when you're on set? I don't know that it changes anything. thing for me or like that or that or that you're particularly acts differently toward yeah you know one or the other I mean kinds of kindness he wrote with ephemus so there's that added element of him being the writer of it as well um and will Tracy wrote this so like or you know like on on poor things and the favorite Tony McNamara wrote the script so um that's the only like distinguishing difference I can see is that the writer comes to visit said a lot Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I would imagine, like, even friends and family, like, reactions to kinds of kindness must have been fascinating, like, to get. Like, did you get interesting text or? You know, who absolutely loved kinds of kindness so much was my mom. My mom loved it. She, like, really gets kinds of kindness. I love it. Which I love.

How do you feel about that? I love it. She's like, I'm, I, it's so funny. And I think I'm in love with Willem DeVoe. I was like, all right, mom, calm down. He's married. But, yeah, it was, it was, I loved, I loved her reaction. And she's got a really interesting, cool taste.

And so I was like, great. I mean, I loved it too. Has she seen this one? I mean, she's seen this one. She likes kinds of kindness better. There's some intense stuff. It's her favorite movie. Yeah, obviously.

For fucking purposes. It's her favorite. She loves this one too. Is there a direct correlation in your experience of like how taxing a performance is versus how much satisfaction you get out of, a film because this doesn't feel like this must be intensely rewarding but it's also not a walk in the park I would imagine for either of you

sometimes that goes hand in hand the whole taxing rewarding thing sometimes it doesn't but back to hating the business earlier no no I mean this I think it's safe to say was

was taxing and hard but at the exact same time, I mean, there were scenes from this, from Bologna that were about the most fun I've ever had acting just because the writing was so rich. And I mean, these scenes that we were able to play with one another and, you know, with Aiden, they were just so rich and layered. And and so, yeah, it was, it's all of it, you know.

What about for you? I would imagine feeling like spent in the best possible way after a rewarding day on set is kind of a great feeling as an actor. Like you've left it all out on the table. It is for sure. I think, you know, with this, because this one was, yeah, it was definitely intense on a daily basis. It was sort of unrelentingly because from one day to the next, you do feel like exhausted when you go home from, you know, maintaining a certain level of whatever energy, this, this movie. and the story require. But I think the most marked thing for me was the fact that there were so many monologues

and there were such long scenes in all this dialogue that it sort of just felt like you're constantly running lines and making sure they're in your body so you can actually do your job and not sound like you're reciting. So that was a major, you know, beyond all the physical elements of it, that was the thing I was the most kind of worried about on a nightly basis after work was like, well, we're counting down

until the monologue where I'm talking to him for six, seven pages and whatever it might be. Where our dinner table scene, which was so long and so amazingly written and you just want to make sure you're not missing anything, you know. So yeah, I mean, it's taxing in a wonderful way. Like I feel so lucky that this is my job. I always feel insane saying like, God, it's so hard. It's like, it's also the best. It's such a dream. Does making a film that's dealing with like our divided world dystopian kind of times that we're living in help you deal with the dystopian times we're living in?

Or does like marinating in that almost like, I don't know. I would imagine from your perspective, like film can be, your work can be a cathartic way to escape all of that. But this is about that. It's a really fascinating thing to get to do to be asked and to ask yourself to go into these headspaces and live. in the shoes of these people it really is i don't know if i ever find it necessarily cathartic or like therapy but it it definitely rewires my brain a bit yeah afterwards um i feel like i can look at certain things differently yeah um which is a really amazing thing to do because you really are just like trying to embody a completely different you know mindset and obviously

finding all those parts that are already within yourself right that you know all you know, apply to it. But what do you think, Jeffie? Oh, we call him Jeffrey P. Lemons. Oh, that's your new. Yeah. That's like, since kinds of kindness, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

That's your DJ moniker. I'm changing it officially. Jeffie P. Right here, right now. This is an announcement on the Happy Side Confused podcast. Finally, an extensive. Thank you guys. Changed my name back a long time ago.

And he's changing his back to his birth name, Jeffrey P. Lemons. What were we talking about? Yes, as catharsis, as, yeah. I, and I think it's actually, the way I kind of explain it, think about it, is it's just the most unique way to learn something. Because you're gathering all this information, you're just kind of following whatever is interesting to you when you're preparing for something. And then you're trying to like get inside of it and experience it in a way that, is partially you but partially outside of you and so it's that's what I'm always really grateful for is it does I think kind of shape who you are in some way just because you

spend so much time yeah in some space you know yeah and there's also the the really cool aspect of getting to learn new skills because you have to for a role so like learning to shoot a machine gun for a zombie. I was crazy. Like, I've shot a machine gun or stunt driving or I had to learn to scuba for kinds of kindness because I'm trapped at the bottom of a pool for seven hours. And that was so meditative and exciting. And now I'm like really excited to keep scuba diving.

But it was something that I never probably would have thought to do had it not been for a character. So that's, you learn a lot of strange skills. You can join like the Mission Impossible Force. You have like the resume, scuba diving. Machine gun skills. But then... I'll be right there. Have you ever experienced something

where you learn a new skill and you have to just do it so much that after the film... Never wanted to get. I never want to. That was... I had to... I played a professional cyclist

in this movie called The Program with the great Stephen Freers and Ben Foster and I played Floyd Landis and I only had like a month to prep and lose a bunch of weight. and we were actually in Boulder for that training with Lance Armstrong's, one of his actual trainers. And it was just such an intense experience

trying to lose the weight and learn how to look like a professional cyclist that I don't think I really got on a bike until Bougonia. You spent a lot of time in this one. I know, and I actually enjoyed it again. It brought me back to it. I didn't have a pastel dinata until like two months ago

after poor things having to shove 30 in my mouth in a day I was like I never want to eat a Portuguese tart again and then you know what I had one recently and it was great it was nice one you just eat one instead of 30 right that's the recommended good good tip for the audience thank you for that

no problem thanks guys lots more tips let's talk about the really important stuff shaving your head which like it's a disproportionate we can say there's a disproportionate amount of fascination about physical transformations, I feel like, for film. You're very right. Versus the other stuff.

It's always the case. Also, the word unrecognizable gets thrown around a lot. A little overstated sometimes. Yeah, it's like, I don't know. It looks like him. Looks like him. Unless someone's in like extreme prosthetics, it doesn't really, really make sense. So when you did do that, and I remember, like, we, I think, talked the time you had the baseball cap.

Like, was it intentionally trying to be secretive about it, or was it just, Like, did you want it to be a surprise for the film? Was that the idea? Well, we had talked about it because one of the fun things with poor things was that we were in Budapest and no one had seen any imagery from the film. So when it came out, the like really, really, you know, like floor length hair was a fun kind of surprise. And I think we kind of felt that way about just the being fully bald too.

So it was just like a couple months before I had a little bit of hair. I mean, this has been almost a year and I thought I would be a lot longer by now. I did too. It would have been if it was you. You grow hair quickly. I was going to say, not enough attention is paid to these locks in the film. Come on, Jesse. I got like Jeff Bridges level amazing hair.

No, it wasn't all me. No. No. Movie secrets. Sorry. Oh, no. I was long. Unrecognizable.

Yes. Let's talk about our own personal echo chambers. Because there's a little bit of, you've talked a little bit about this, how we all have created, whether knowingly or not, like this reductive kind of. of world we live in on social media like you know my social media feed is just New York City bakeries and dog content uh what what's the algorithm feed either of you oh i'm not telling you that are you kidding oh god one little innocent taste my um oh mine's like alternately depressing and insane really yeah um um especially on my TikTok algorithm. That one's really

terrifying. Okay. Yeah. Jesse, are you, are not ticking the talk? Are you out there? No, not TikTok, but I'm just YouTube. A lot of photography videos of all different kinds. He's a photographer. I mean, I've got

kids. So it's mainly just photos of my two little dudes. No, you've learned film photography and you've gotten so like you've become a bit of an expert as Daddy Pig would say on Peppa

That's your algorithm Peppa Pig I'm a bit of an expert There's definitely some Peppa in there Having a four-year-old I'm not watching I'm not watching it with her Who among

previous co-stars do you believe Has the most potential To actually be an alien You think Who would you not be shocked by If they tomorrow said By the way I'm not from this planet

Willam Yeah good call Of course. It's a totally good call. But if they're like Willem, I'm cool with that. Me too. I'd hang out of them all the time. Beam me up.

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and hit follow, unless you want the show to follow you. Okay, you're out and about in the world. What comes up most nowadays for each of you, respectively? Does it change according to what you've just done, or are there constants that keep coming back that are referenced by public at a Starbucks or whatever? A wine that's quoted, something they want to ask you about. it's a few for me I would say the most consistent are Breaking Bad Friday Night Lights

but then I get a lot of Gary from Game Night. I'm obsessed with Gary. I get it's still my favorite gift of all time I think I'm just slipping back into the darkness it's just Gary Civil War yeah for a while do people still ask you about the Friday night lights murder? Do they still want to talk to you about it? Sometimes. You know, Highlie just watched all the Friday Night Lights. I bet she was obsessed with it. Yeah, she loved it.

But we talked about that recently, our first day to eat on Peconia and kind of kindness. Yeah, occasionally. Because it does, I mean, for actors, I would imagine, sometimes you're put in a weird spot where, like, I don't know if you have to justify the actions of characters you've played 15 years ago, But there were like these like moments, like whether it's like me at the end of Lala land. Like I would imagine still occasionally someone wants to say to you like, she should have ended up with Sebastian, you know, like Seb, like, or no, does that really go away? Not really.

I don't really interact with a lot of people who are like telling me plot points of the film. It's more just like, you were in Lala Land. I'm like, yeah. But I do get called Emma Watson all the time. All the time. Well, you were great in Harry Potter. Thank you. Yeah.

Thank you. Um, last time either of you had to audition for something, do you remember? Um, for, yeah. Um, I mean, that doesn't look promising, does it? I'm like, yeah. Um, I mean, I auditioned for the favorite. Okay. Um.

Is it a relief that, that's probably that part of your existence is in the back, in the rearview mirror at this point? Like, was that something you felt a lot of tension about? Well, yeah. Yes. No, I'm completely open to auditioning, and I think it's actually a really helpful process in a lot of ways, even though it's, you know, it's obviously brutal in a lot of ways, too. It does give you a chance to sort of test out the character that we maybe don't get as often anymore, which is a little scary because someone's saying like, oh, I think you can do this and you're like, fuck, can I do this? And it's something I really want to do, but there's no like process where they've seen you attempt it. And proving it to yourself too, like in real time.

Yeah, kind of. You get this sort of preview of what it will be for you or what places you'll go that is a little bit different now. Yeah, I think it used to stress me out the early days of getting into that phase where I wasn't auditioning. I remember being pretty stressed. It's like, you're sure? You're joking because I'm not. You can probably do better. Totally.

It definitely does. We feel good about this? Yeah. Okay. What about imposter syndrome at this point? Do you ever feel like day one on a set like, oh, this was a mistake? I only feel that. I know.

I'm a lot of nervous. Yeah. Really? Yeah. But I think that means you care. I was going to say it kind of freaks me out meeting actors who are like, oh, man, I'm just, I'm great. I'm so proud of the stuff I did there. Like, I just really.

I feel so comfortable. I'm like, oh, boy, that must be. Yeah. I guess nice, but also it's a little scary. The only time I leave a set feeling like good or on a high is when I, when I'm, you know, thinking back and I finally, like, come to the realization, like, I don't know what else I could have tried.

That's a good feeling. Right. You know what I mean? Totally. That's the closest thing to like satisfaction. But even, even that, it's almost like the feeling that you have when you break up with somebody after a long

time and you've tried everything. And then you still have to break up. It's that kind of feeling. It's like a relief, but you're also like, God, that sucks. Yeah. You know, ouch. It could have been better, probably. I know.

But I tried all I could. Now it's done forever. And now it's done forever. And people have to go see that. There was one other random thing I did want to mention about Begonia. Was this your first time singing Chapel Rhone in the car to yourself? Oh, God. No, of course not.

Do you have a go-to song or artist that you find yourself singing to? Chapel Rone. Really? Yeah, I mean, I did, I did suggest that song. for the film, yeah. A few days ago, it was that other song that Sabrina Carpenter. I could not stop singing,

I'm working late because I'm a singer. And then Jeffrey was like, oh my God, now it's in my head. I just kept singing it. I do want to close the loop on one conversation I had. I haven't talked to you on camera since the whole Spider-Man, No Way Home thing, because Andrew told me something amazing

that I thought was fascinating. He lied to the world, of course, that he was going to be in that. film and then afterwards I talked to him about it and he said that he lied to you as well yeah is that true he you asked him I asked him if he was gonna be in that and he was like I don't know what you're talking about I was like what yeah oh I guess that means no right but it wasn't no it was yes that's I guess a dedication to something no good for him amazing he kept it really close to the best did you ever see the film

because it's kind of amazing that like there's an emotional moment in that film that has you're obviously not in it but really has to do with your character yeah in that film yeah you know what i actually have not seen it okay i haven't seen it okay no it it would be very emotional i'm sure yeah yeah um but i heard it was fantastic i will see it eventually so where we go from here guys this that was the end of the interview thank so much josh no no no no here's what i would imagine is kind of an emotional thing in in a blockbuster it's you're going to be playing plutarch in this hunger games film which obviously you knew Phil.

You worked with Phil Hoffman. Is that part of the equation of like, I don't know, honoring what he did in those films and doing this part? I wasn't saying that because I wanted a question. That's what happens. Just to be clear, no comment. So can you say that again?

Well, joining this franchise as that. particular character having known Phil and worked with Phil that adds a whole another dimension I would imagine to taking on that character was that part of the equation of taking it on like oh I get to kind of honor what he did and it was one I I don't know if this makes sense but it was actually one of the things that made me question if I wanted to do it yeah no offense because I could just flash forward to the press and you know all of that like I don't mind you know I I don't. It's fine. But I think I have such respect and admiration for him that, you know, and it's a thing that people have said, which doesn't quite compute to me, but it's obviously really nice to hear. But yeah, I think I just decided, you know what, I want to do it. I like the part and I like the script and I like the director and the cast. So here we go.

Is that the next gig? Mm-hmm. And uncharacteristically, I don't see anything, any future project that you're about to shoot. Are you taking a minute, or do you have something next? I haven't done anything since Bagonia, which has been kind of wild. We're producing films, but I'm not in them. But I'm doing two projects next year. Okay.

Which I guess I'm not supposed to talk about yet, because nobody knows about them. But I'm very excited for. But isn't it your husband is going to direct you in a film? That's a different thing. Okay. That's, yeah. Okay. Okay.

Not including that idea in those, but yeah. Okay. Eventually I'll tell you, Josh. I know, I know. I'll give you a call. I'll wait it out. Okay, we're going to end with this. The happy say I confused profoundly random questions, tag team on this.

I love random questions. Have you done this random question? No, she hasn't. She hasn't. She hasn't done the official podcast since 2016. We did random questions. We've done random questions for MTV. You're right.

But this is a different random questions. Okay, here we go. Dogs or cats. Dogs. Dr. Correct. Well done. Sorry, Kirsten.

Does she love cats? Yeah, she's a cat lady. Do you have both? We did have a dog. He was an old beagle and passed away a little while ago. But yeah, she's had cats our whole life. Do either of you collect anything? Oh, that's a good question.

I've been starting to collect souvenirs from places that I've been, but really simple, like, tourist shop souvenirs like a bottle opener or like a key chain things like that um so I try to do that everywhere I go now I guess I don't really collect much else do you collect records and now cameras and lenses and stuff like that yeah favorite video game of all time don't donkey Kong country for Super Nintendo Mario Kart love this is the Dakota Johnson Memorial Collection She asked me this. I ask everybody this would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt? One B in my butt. I think I agree with that at least it's just one

It's just one yeah 92% of the answers are that you're really yeah people go with that What's the wallpaper on your phone? Oh my kid mine too but the the abs I've had it for like probably six years because I will just never be beaten it's a collage of my oldest son's face when he was a baby just making every face imaginable and it's just the best be happy sad and confused faces perhaps yeah yeah yeah yeah last actor you were mistaken for I guess it's it's always I'm a Watson currently oh wait I have a really quick funny one what the the day after my 28th birthday I went to see Alan coming perform at like Carnegie Paul and I was there with my friend Noah and someone came up and we were trying

to find our seats and he said hey do you mind if I take a picture with you and I was like oh sorry we're just we're trying to find our seats whatever and he was understandably a little pissed and he goes all right well I loved you on Will and Grace wait are you swear to God he thought I was Deborah missing yeah you thought I was Deborah missing so I'm still called Deborah messing to this day by Noah it's been almost 10 years and I will always be Deborah you get Debra too sometimes. You sometimes get dead brown. I do.

I think there, what I'm, I don't know, it's like all the, all the people with sort of red hair. It's like, just take your, take your pick. Right, right. But even,

even some guy that was on a, yeah, even some guy that was on like an MTV reality show, maybe. Oh, gosh. Okay. Yeah. You get Matt Damon, too.

Yeah. Yeah, but people generally don't actually think I'm him. All right, we're going to wrap it up with this. Worst noted director has ever given you. What comes to you on? I've got one. Yeah. But it was one that I witnessed.

I can say where or who. But it was, I think the scene's a little more. That clear is up. That was bad. he didn't actually vomit like yeah oh it's hard to it's hard to think there's been so many lie down get comfortable where do you want to start exactly i got a lot to parse through with you josh uh yeah is there a kind of direction that you can't stand that just is not helpful like i think the the hardest thing for me is when the director does

doesn't know what they want and they want to just try a bunch of stuff so they can figure out what they want that is that always freaks me out in a director right you know to not have a sort of even if they haven't seen it yet to be able to sort of guide it in that direction and not change their minds and like let's just get 17 takes of something all different ways just to go all the way back around what exactly in the beginning it's just like yeah it really that that's what that's the hardest for me is the feeling that they don't really I like when they're a little bit more clear on what they're trying to do or trying to you know what we're trying to achieve here fair enough so actually i kind of love that note i think this scene is very clear you know what it

means i know exactly what it means and i'd be like got it um thank you guys for the time i know you don't you're not doing a lot of this wallet tell you right because there are better more fun things to do see movies and just enjoy the nature but uh i appreciate both of you truly always good chatman thank you for having us fantastic everybody check it out begonia jeffy p Lemons. Jeffey, Lemons, Emma, Emily, whatever you want.

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