Happy Sad Confused - Emma Stone, Lily James, Jai Courtney

Episode Date: September 21, 2016

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Hey, guys, and welcome to happy, sad, confused. I'm Josh Horowitz. I talk to celebrities because I have no other discernible skills. And this is Sammy. Hi, Sammy. Hi. Here we are, Sammy. This is, I don't even, I'm speechless.

There's a lot going on, guys. There's so much happening. You might not be able to tell, but you can probably tell because there are already some differences. Yes. If you listen to the podcast before. Well, first of all, give us a sense. What's on the agenda this week? What's our, what's on the menu this week, Sammy?

First of all, there's some exciting announcements to make. Yes. For sure. There's going to be a little, you just got back from TIF, like, within the last five hours. You sound so sophisticated calling it TIF. That's the Toronto International Film Festival. Everyone knows that. We've got a discerning audience.

They know. They know. Yeah. And then we'll get into your guess, all the people you kidnapped and made talk to you. That's my secret of getting guests on Happy Second Fused in case you didn't know. It's a burlap sack. I just throw over people. All the people you force.

We have not one, not two, three guests this week on Happy Second Fuse. Yes. So first of all, there are some changes to the podcast. Nothing too crazy. Calm down, guys. It's okay. It's the same Happy Second Fused you know and love. But as you might have heard, we've got new music.

We've got new artwork if you're looking at your iTunes account. And hopefully we sound. a little better. Yeah, and we've got new hosts, too. No. I'm Jack Harowitz. What's your name now? Shammie.

God almighty. No, but we're part of the MTV Podcast Network, which is very exciting. I've been at MTV for a while now, of course, and only in recent months as MTV put together this great podcast network. There's some really cool, exciting new shows, and I'm so thrilled to bring HappySek and Fuse to, you know, my work home officially. So the podcast is just going to get bigger and better. We're going to try different formats, bring in more guests, maybe do some phoneers.

And hopefully we're just going to, you know, make you that much happier week to week, right, Sammy? Yeah. You feel good? Yeah. It's just going to be called happy from now on. The sad and confused part of this is going away. That's good. But as always, we need your help.

Remember to review, rate and subscribe on iTunes, spread the good word. And, of course, you can follow me on Twitter, Joshua Harowitz, and let me. know what guests you want to hear, what different kind of changes you want to hear to the podcast because, yes, I'm listening to you guys. But yes, as you said at the outset, a lot to cover. I just got back from the Toronto Film Festival, which was, okay, we get it. You know what you're talking. So, yeah, so this was a lot of fun.

I'll keep it brief because I could talk about this for hours because I saw, you know how many movies I saw? How many? I saw 21 movies. Get a life. That's a lot. insane. I know. How many a day, on average, is that? Okay. Well, to be fair, I think I saw 15 or 16 while I was there. I saw a few before I got there. Okay. So did I cheat a little bit? Yes. It's still at two or three a day. Am I a cheater? Yes. And also, to be fair, some people that go there, go and see like four or five a day. I was like being semi-humane. That's crazy. Yeah, it's intense. It's great, though. Are you like emotionally exhausted? I am because a lot of the films this year were provoke tears.

And as you know, I have no tear ducts or emotions. So did your body just not know what to do? Start sweating. Yeah. They started making weird, like, gr-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. Yes, that was the sound that came out. No, it was a really good lineup of films. TIF, Toronto tends to set off the Oscar season,

and this year was no different. I saw a lot of really good movies that you'll hear me talk about in months ahead as we probably get some guests from these films. on the show. I have a couple I do want to mention. I'm in love with a movie called The Monster Calls, which I've seen twice, actually. I saw it once in New York before I got there and then I saw it there. And it's a beautiful. I mean, talk about a tear jerker. It stars Felicity Jones and Scornie Weaver. It's based on a children's book. And it's, I don't want to say too much about it. It doesn't open until December, but you can look at the trailer online. I was crying. I don't think I've ever cried this much in a movie. I know. It was intense. Both times? Yeah. Whoa. And it was like, okay, here's how I described it to other people. So I saw it, I got the privilege of being at the premiere, which is great. It was like 2,000 people, beautiful theater.

And it wasn't just me crying. It was like 2,000 people, they weren't just crying. It was like they were stifling tears. Oh, my God. You know that feeling when people were trying to stop themselves from crying? So what would happen is every like 10 minutes, you would hear somebody involuntarily let out a sound, something like, like they couldn't hold it in anymore. It was amazing.

Did you all walk out of the theater, just like holding hands with each other? Like, you've all just been through such a moment together. Totally. The lights went up and you looked at each other and everyone was like, are you okay? I don't know. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's a lot.

Then the second time, do? Yeah. Yeah, it's great. So, okay, I'll talk about that. It's great. Okay, so I really did love it and I'm going to talk about it to death the next few months. So I won't say too much more. Also great, Manchester by the Sea, another tier jerker.

A really weird movie that's amazing called Colossil with Anne Hatch. Lathaway and Jason Sudecass, Arrival, which is the new sci-fi movie with Amy Adams, Moonlight, which is the small film. Again, I'll talk about it soon because it's going to get a lot of awards attention. And most maybe importantly for this week's podcast is Lala Land. So Lala Land is a great musical starring our first guest on this week's show, which is Emma Stone. Emma Stone, I mean, come on. Emma Stone.

She's amazing in this. She is, it's kind of weird to talk about an Oscar frontrunner this early in the season, but everybody agrees she is the frontrunner right now for Best Actress. Wow. Yeah. So La La Land is a big musical, her and Ryan Gosling, and it's kind of an homage to musicals of old, and Emma is amazing in it. It really, it's a beautiful movie. I can't wait. Yeah, everybody fell in love with it.

And I don't want to say much more except to say after Emma, you're going to hear two more interviews. You're going to hear the stars of a new movie called The Exception, which actually doesn't even have the. distribution yet. And it's a thriller and it stars Lily James of Cinderella fame in Downton Abbey and Jai Courtney. So we'll talk about them in a little bit. They're coming up a little bit later in the podcast. But first up is somebody that like everybody loves. And I mean, I truly adore Emma Stone for a number of reasons. Her talent, but also she's truly down to earth. She's always been remarkably just awesome to talk to. And like so normal for somebody of her stature. And you'll be able to tell that from this 20-minute chat, catch up with her. As we enter

the conversation, you can hear us annoyingly laughing about something that we were looking at on Snapchat. Oh, what was it? I can't say. She didn't want to say what it was. So I know. It's really obnoxious to say, but I want to give you context for what you're hearing. I'll tell you off air. Okay. And then I'll tweet it. No. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. So, okay, coming up a little later, Lily James, Jai Courtney, but for now, enjoy the star of Lala Land, the one and only Emma Stone. Emma Stone. Are we not to talk about what we were just talking about, Emma?

Do you want to, do you want to reveal to the world what you're obsessed with? No. No, that's just you and me. That's our private joke. That's our thing. If you guys can figure out what we're actually talking about, email me. We're going to be podcasting. You're ready to be podcasted?

I'm ready. I'm so excited. You've been podcasted before. Yeah, but not really, like, in an interview setting. This is not an interview. This is just two dudes. There's just two bros hanging out. Welcome to the bro hang with Emma Stone.

Because if any guy just exudes bro, it's me. If there's one bro in the world, it's you followed by me. Yeah, exactly. What should we talk about? So I'm on day six of my festival. I know you've been here for a while. So, like, I'm semi-coherent, so I apologize in advance. I'm the exact same way.

I'm on day four and um and you did Venice but prior so you've been in until you ride right crazy we're recording this I'm recording it's all being recorded this is not just for me it doesn't matter I didn't know if we were just talking no there's no difference if you have you have to start start listening to the podcast and you'll see that this is basically me at my most professional best incredible okay I'm getting into it if you could host your own podcast what would you be what could you host a podcast in I've thought about that because I listen to so many podcasts in the car on my way to rehearsal for La La Land because it was an hour each way there and back. So I got so into podcasts. That's interesting. You weren't doing music. I did a

little bit of music, but then after a while, I was kind of like, I only listened to the same songs over and over. And I was like, I have to keep engaged so I can drive. Right. And podcasts really keep you engaged. No, I do. I'm like the weirdo at the gym that actually is listening to like Mark Maron talk. Oh my God. Mark Maron. What a game changer. That was so much fun to start listening to those yeah yeah i love death sex and money i'm just shouting out of their podcasts hey everyone's podcast that's uh she's not shouting at one whatever um well now i will now you will wait okay so so but do you feel like you're an expert in anything that you could talk at at length about for every week for like an hour like what could you what could the emma stone podcast be my problem is is

that like i the the one thing i'm pretty well two things that i feel like i have a standing knowledge about are like editing in grammatical Like editing in grammatical Lens itself Some form of copy editing Okay And which is going to be fascinating

And I'm pretty good at You know like the pink The pink triangle and trivial pursuit Okay So pop culture stuff I'm pretty okay with pop culture stuff But I only know a little bit about a lot Right

So I don't think I could talk at length In like an expert setting But I could weigh in on pop culture information. Do you feel like you keep current? Are you able to keep current? Are you overwhelmed by the onset? I try to keep current, but I also like all the decades of entertainment knowledge. Okay, okay.

What was your sweet spot? What's the year that you are the expert in? I guess it's like when all of us are like, what, like 12 or 13 or 14? Yeah, it's like the 90s. Yeah. I mean, if you looked at a bunch of icons from the 90s, would you be an expert in all of those? Yeah. Well, I'm older than you.

So probably even the age. Yeah, you're 60 years old. How old are you? I'm 93. You look great. I turned 40 this year, Emma. How sad is that? No way.

Yeah, that's horrible. I did think that you were about 29. Thank you. That's very sweet. You look about 29. It's because we grew up together. We've been talking for years. I know.

Okay, so I'm, of course, at the same exact level when you met me and you are now ruling the planet. It's really depressing. Right. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I was just trying to say. So let's talk. Um, you know, I watch at last time I saw you earlier this week, I hadn't seen the movie. Uh, it's amazing. It's, it's, it's beautiful. It's touching. It's, it hits all the spots. You know, my wife was in town. She came basically just to see La La Land and she loved it. So, um, yeah. And you're hearing this. I know from a lot of people. But I guess so are you good at taking compliments? Like, are you good at like receiving? Because right now there's like a lot of love coming at you and the film. Like, is that, are you the kind of person that is predisposed to kind of like question it and like look for like, what's your criticism? Or can you kind of like actually say, oh, thank you.

And that feels good. I'm trying to be better about that over the past couple of years because someone kind of took me aside a couple of years ago and was like, it's mean. When you deflect a con. I was like, I used to be so terrible at it that it was like, borderline mean. Someone says something nice to you and you're a jerk back. What would your response be? It would just be like, oh, whatever. Oh, all right.

Uh-huh. Enough. I bet nice sarcasm Just like throw up on the table Just projecting all over them back With your own insecurity And I mean what's What's been fun about this movie

Is that people seem to be responding To the feeling of the movie So that's a really nice A nice feeling That it has a sort of joyousness to it That I think people are responding well to So that I mean With this it's been

I've just been like I'm glad Except it makes people happy. All right. Damn it. And it's also like a movie that, I mean, I think it's going to hit hit for all different audiences, I think, but especially like for me as just like a film lover. And like, I mean, for me, like it recalled, I'm not even talking about the stuff like way back when that probably Damien was referencing. But like I think in relatively recent years, like I always had a soft spot for everyone says I love you. The Woody Allen, a musical he did.

I don't have you ever seen like the Coppola film he did. He like basically bankrupted his studio with one from the heart. I know the whole story behind it, but I've never seen one from the heart. It's a good movie it's just like um he was going for something really interesting and special and it was it was it was bold um i mean were you guys referencing did damien give you kind of like reference materials was that helpful or was it damien was very inspired by jack de me so we watched umbrellas of sherberg and um young girls have roached for it and he he i mean also we were watching singing in the rain and fred and ginger stuff like top hat um because there's a little bit of energy to ginger that i i really liked that some of the women in some of those movies were a little softer,

and I love that Ginger has that kind of sass to her. So that was fun to see. But, yeah, I mean, I think he really, his biggest inspirations definitely come from French. French, he calls them the French answer to American musicals. Nice, okay. Wow. Classy, wow.

You went to Harvard. And he's like 14 years old. It's so upsetting. I have a GED. But you're good with the pink triangle. But I am good at the pink. triangle part of Trivial pursuit. None of the others, mind you. So I got that

going for me, which is nice. I mean, it's a movie that it's about a lot of things. It's about like, you know, dreams are referenced, like what we all kind of like, you know, whether that's romantic dreams or dreams of what you want to do with your life in terms of work and passion. I mean, it

seems to me, and talking to you over the years, like, this is kind of, this was the dream in a way, right? I mean, does it feel like, what happens? It's like a, it's like that line in broadcast news, like what happens when your life exceeds your dreams, you know, or something, like, keep it to yourself. But, like, that must be kind of like an experience that you're kind of going through in recent years where, like, you kind of, who could dream

about the career that you frankly currently have? Yeah, it's pretty wild. It's, it, I think the coolest thing lately has been, I've had like a little bit of time to sort of stuff. I haven't worked in a few months. But it's been really nice because I've been, like, like wow this has been such a special like with cabaret and then and then la la land it's just been i mean it's you know two musicals but in such a different way and it's been and those what i loved doing when i was a kid i did musical theater right and comedy and and it's just been like yeah it's been an incredible time and i've been reflecting on it lately i just feel you know i feel hashtag blessed i got a lot of gratitude happening so i got an attitude of gratitude

Josh, an attitude of gratitude. Did you, were you, like, were you going up for musicals prior to this? Like, were you even anything in that idea? No, because I've, I've, um, my voice is, uh, probably not my strongest suit. The nice thing about this movie is that the idea, it is a musical, but it's sort of a, I guess, a different type of musical in the sense that it's not meant to be sung, uh, perfectly and flawlessly. So this had a different,

element to it than most musicals, I think, that I was auditioning for as a kid or that the kind of, you know, Broadway shows I wanted to do. Sure. Which Cabaret had a similar element to the way the character was meant to sing. But, yeah, no, musicals. I think I kind of stopped hoping to do musicals at a point because I was, you know, my voice is cut out differently than traditional musicals. So coming off of Cabaret, did it feel like, and this just hit at the right time and

the right, and because of the nature of the material, yes, you were just, discussing like, oh, this is a way for me to do it. I can do this. And it, and Damien's obviously, I mean, with Plash was so impressive. Like, yeah, I have to go for this. Yeah. There was something kind of, the timing was really kind of amazing in that way. I think what's also cool about this film, and I feel like I'm already experiencing this just talking to other people that have seen it. And I'm sure you're going to see this too, is that like, it's the kind of film I think people are going to obsess over and want to see over and over again. Like I, I haven't, um, I feel like it's a weird like double feature,

but like the last film like I felt this way about was Mad Max Fury Road. Really? Yes. Which I saw like seven times in theaters. Wow. But like there is something like the it's a film that I think lends itself. There's a richness to it and you just also want to just go on that journey again.

Like you want to like experience it. Like what are what are those movies for you that you kind of like always keep coming back to and being like I just want to I want to live with those characters for two more hours? The Jerk. that's a big one says something about you have you yes it is um help the Beatles movie

I love watching that movie um beetle juice nice yeah I mean I saw Titanic 7 and a half times in theaters yeah I saw it way too many for how old I was I was judged by people it was in theaters I don't know forever for like almost a year

I mean nine months or something so that was I um I loved to see no I was nine years old. I saw Titanic seven times at nine years old. I was like, I was like 16, though. And a 16 year old dude watching Titanic like 10 times. But you're adorable. That wasn't then.

That's an adorable quality. I'll show you photos. I was not. So, no, I definitely. That was the last movie that I remember seeing like that many times in theaters. So what have you been doing lately then? You said you've kind of had some downtime. What have you been taking me time?

I try to take a little me time. No, I traveled a little bit with my friends, and I've just been sort of like just hanging out with my family and friends and stuff. Because I did cabaret was about six months while and ended up being about six months with rehearsal. And then I did Battle of the Sexes and earned tennis and did all this stuff. And it was so amazing. But then it was, you know, a good 18 months, all told. So in your me time, have you finally taken time to watch Game of Thrones or are you still convinced it doesn't, it's not real? All right.

Because I've never watched Game of Thrones. All right. Here's what happened. Okay. You've never watched it? I've never watched it, which is bizarre. I now know that it is in fact a show. It is really happening.

I haven't announced it to make. You guys, Game of Thrones actually is a show on TV. It, okay, so I started watching it. I was in a hotel room and I have the HBO go. And I started watching it in the dark in a hotel room, the first episode. And if anyone's seen the first episode, there is this very, eerie situation that happens in the middle of like a it's a very snowy area okay and i convinced myself that someone was about to pop up behead someone because i've heard that there are beheadings and i got

so freaked out without seeing anything that i was like nope and close the laptop and that has been my only experience of game of throne so far okay but i'm getting there i did begin the first episode i think i was just a little scared of the violence right right i think that from what i gather there's more to come There's, I would gather, there's a lot more that happens on this. But they're not good weddings from what I gather. Main characters just die, mercilessly. And I think heads are severed from bodies. So just I want you to just know what you're getting into.

It sounds like something that is going to be hard for me to stomach. But it sounds fascinating. So what are you, what is the last thing that you kind of fell in love with in terms of TV film or in the pink triangle of life? I started watching The Affair. Oh yeah, I haven't watched that. I've heard it's good. It's very good. Yeah.

And I'm trying to think of what else I've been watching. I mean, I always watch New Girl. Right. I love watching New Girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, yeah, I mean, my main, my main scrazes to Anthony Bourdain. So I don't know if you knew that. I didn't know that.

So no reservations has always been a classic one of mine in CNN show. Why don't you go on like one of these exotic trips with him? Why don't you go to like? I mean, are you inviting me to go along? Yes, on behalf of Mr. Borday. Are you, have a Mr. Brown? Are you his spokesperson? I'd love to.

That would be great. Where would you all to go with him? I don't know. I mean, I don't know that I necessarily am as adventurous as he is in terms of, like, you know, drinking the blood of things. Yeah, he always puts, like, judo into his journey, too. He just, he goes and he just, I just think he's the greatest. He really is. He really is.

And those, actually, those shows, like, there's, like, I mean, I know he, like, tries to mimic different filmmaker styles in each episode. It's actually really well done. It's very well done. And the narration, it's just, I love it. When's the, do you still get mistaken for other Emmas or other people at this point in your life? Well, lately, this has been fun. This has happened twice in the last year.

People, oh yeah, no, I walked through the lobby yesterday and this girl goes, Emma Thompson. No, Thompson. I was getting. I was like, that is a very different Emma. And I am very disappointing right now because Emma Thompson. With all due respect. With all due respect. With all due respect.

for an age bracket. It's the greatest Emma of all the Emmas. Love you and sense and sensibility. She really is the, she takes the cake. She's the best. I, no, in the over, twice over the past year, I've, I've had two, this is happen. This was really strange. People have gone, oh my God, Rachel McAdams.

I was like, this is up in twice. I was like, first of all, I look nothing like Rachel McAdams. I'm not sure how they're, it's the nicest confusion. Wonderful. But, yeah, that's been a fun of one. Maybe it's the Gosling thing, the Gosling Association. It could be. It could be. Yeah.

They're like, yeah, it could be that. You know, I still need to enlist you to smooth things over with Ryan. I think I told you this once. I think he associates me with Hey Girl, because I did the Hey Girl stuff with him like five years ago. Oh, you had him read it. Yeah. Yes. And that's what helped it kind of went insane, which I know is a horrible headache.

He won't speak to you. I see him on carpets and it's cordial. It's fun, but I feel like there's baggage there. And I just didn't mean it. Just tell him. I don't think it has anything to do with you. I'm sure it doesn't. No, it does.

I'm actually virtually certain it does. No. It's okay. No. There must be, do you have like a kill list of people you'll never talk to again? Have you been wronged by the press? No, but I learned meanings of on the record and off the record. Yeah.

That's what's scariest for me are printer views. Yeah. You know printer views. Printer views. Those are interviews that you do for print publications. Emma is so busy she combines words together. Print interviews. No, I just enjoy a pun.

So I think that that's one of the funny, the weirdly the scariest ones for me is that, you know, you sit and you think you're, it's kind of like how I was like, are we recording or not? Sometimes when you're sitting, you're going to print interview, you sit with someone all day and you talk and it's very friendly and then you forget that certain things are on or off the record and then things are printed. That's what gets me more scared than I'm. right well it's like click baity stuff right saying a line out of context that could turn into something horrible well on the you'll be happy you know on this podcast all we do is after the fact we just edit in a lot of racial expletives and epithets oh fantastic just like great that's what i was going to actually request that okay dokey so um i'm very excited that you've you're done with the billy jing king so that's a fascinating story about all the sexes yeah absolutely

and she's an inspiring amazing figure she's unbelievable I'm I'm very, I'm really excited about that one and, and it was also probably the most daunting thing I've ever. Really? Well, because you have to sell just the physicality. That's one aspect. The physicality, yeah, but I would say about 85% of the movie has nothing to do with, I mean, it has so much to do with tennis, of course, because that was the, you know, that's the great, the great, the thing that she was the most incredible at physically, but emotionally, there was so much happening at that same time. And it was just really, it was really something to play her. So what's a, do you have any time in this fall season,

which you're going to be making the rounds, obviously, on behalf of La Land a lot? Are you going to be working soon? Do you know what the next gig is at this point? The next thing is in the spring. The next thing I know of is in the spring with Yorgos Lampomos. Oh, yeah, the lobsters crazy amazing. Yeah.

So, so we'll see. Yeah, that's coming up. You actually did like the hand, like. I did the, what is that called? Yeah, we were never going to be able to. She made an interesting judge. her. Nothing bad. It was just, I don't know, it had verve and pep. It really is impossible to explain. It's kind of like when, like the Popeye move.

Yeah, she did the Popeye move. She opened a can of spinach and said, Ar-R-R, that's pirate. Emma, this is the stupidest conversation. We always have dumb conversations, but it's always good to see you. It's always good to see you. Next time, I'll have you know, this is, the podcast is usually, like, it's a long one where we try to make people cry. So, because we're at festival rules, This is a, this is in a moose bouche. One of these days we'll have you really sit down and do Mark Maron style, like, sadness with me and go deep. Do you really do that? You do full hours?

I do like 45 minutes, generally. Oh, well, I'm sorry that we didn't get to go deep this time. We were just describing the Popeye arm move. There is no depth to either of us. Let's be honest. We are all surfaced. Exactly. I only know the Pink Triangle in Trivial Pursuit.

In all earnestness, congratulations on Alland. I love this movie and everybody has to check it out. come December. I'm sorry you guys have to wait, but it's coming soon. It's coming soon. All good things come to those who wait. What's wild is that that is going to come up really and then this year will be over. Like that. You guys, 2016, it's time to be over. Am I right? Seriously, we need to all land right now. Let's get out of this year. Let's pray for the election. Let's pray for the election and let's get out of here. Good to see you, buddy. It's good to see you. Thank you. Could you use monthly payments to help meet basic needs?

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You've got a couple months to wait for Lollaland, but it will be worth the wait. You're going to be there, right, Sammy? I can't wait. Yeah. I'm, like, very excited about this. You should be. Next up on Happy Second Fuse is a newcomer to the show. Someone who was delightful.

Lily James is best known, of course, for show. Cinderella and Downton Abbey. She is positively delightful. She's on like every billboard right now. I don't know if you've noticed like in Manhattan. I've seen a lot of like the burberry, like perfume ads. That is her. That's her.

We talk about that a little bit. And she's starring in a new film that screened at Toronto called The Exception. So this is like a, it's basically a thriller set at the onset of World War II. And she's a spy and Jai Courtney's like a German soldier. And it's got Christopher Plummer. And it's a really well done film. I really enjoyed it in a weird way. It was like, it's weird to say like a Nazi thriller as a pallet cleanser of a movie.

But at Toronto, it kind of is. All right. It was different. I'll put it that way. And I really enjoy talking to Lily. She's somebody that hopefully will get back in for a longer conversation at some point. You're going to hear her talk about this film and why she's a cat lady. Interesting.

And what she's done to her voice, thanks to alcohol over the years. She's very candid. Oh, I love that. This is an important chat. This is one for the ages. Enjoy Lily James. You're being podcasted. Do you feel the magic?

Do you feel that you're being podcasted? Yeah, it's great. There's something in the air, right? Oh, yeah. I think we've only met once before, which was Comic-Con. And I feel like this, we're at the other end of... Comic-Con. Right?

Because I don't even know how to describe where we are. For context, for the listeners. We're in a lounge. Oh, you mean? where we are. Literally where we are. Like specifically at Toronto, but we're... There's a mural? We're in the Cosmic Crusades

zone. Right. We're promoting virtual reality, I think. Hashtag Legend, VR. Yeah. You're all behind the VR stuff, aren't you? Oh, yeah. Big time VR. Big time VR. Yeah, the exception's all about VR. Congratulations on the film. I enjoyed it very much.

It's a hell of a cast in this one. First of all, you got Mr. Christopher Plummer, you got Diana McTear yourself. There's a lot of class in this and then you have Jai Courtney who's a maniac as we know he is kind of in the best possible way in the best possible way yeah does that was this your first time uh encountering the Jai Courtney and how would you describe his um energy on the so I think he's a total rock star um he's kind of as um he's like a life force and he's he's as sort of mad and brilliant and he's just it It was really fun to do this movie with him because obviously there's quite a lot of, like, intimate stuff, and he's just, he's cool.

Good at breaking the tension a little bit. Yeah, yeah, and I really trusted him. He's a really, he's a gentleman as well, Jai. And clearly a man that, I feel like I, at the drop of a hat, will take off his clothes. Oh, yeah, right? There was no problem. That wasn't even in the script. That was not in the script.

That was a total shock. I was like, what are you doing, Ty White? Kick just, come on. That's not too right. I mean, in all seriousness, when you, like, read a script like this and, like, you know, virtually as we encounter you, you're naked, like, very early on in the film. Are you, like, when you're reading the script, you're like, oh, God, here we go. Like, do you throw it across the room, like, what am I getting myself into? Or do you trust, then, hope that, like, it's going to lead to something that is worthwhile for you.

Yeah, weirdly, weirdly, because I wasn't, you know, I'd not done any, like, nudity before or anything. And I got to, on page seven, it's, like, Anne Mika takes off every item of her clothing and you're like, oh. And I guess I Already, weirdly by that point I was so kind of compelled by the story And by this girl Where almost before she speaks She takes her clothes off

And then like as the story progressed And the characters unfolded And I just sort of I really wanted to tell this story So the nudity became almost Not even a big deal Which I was surprised by Were you?

And coming off of something like, I mean, is there a factor, like, when you signed on to Cinderella, for instance, like, are you thinking at that time, like, there is a cost to this in terms of, like, image or whatever? And, like, you have to let go of that and just realize it's a long career and people are going to accept you in different roles. Yeah. I guess I didn't want to rush to, like, be a total, like. Go to the other, Requiem for a dream that basically go crazy. Yeah, I was like, I shouldn't probably play, like, a stripper junkie, like, straight away. Just traumatize all children everywhere. I know, like, yeah, I had to get, you know, but at the same time, I was, when this came along,

it felt like there'd been enough space and, you know, and I've ruined it now with the My Burberry Black perfume thing I did, so the rest is downhill from here, with regards to being any sort of role model. I don't know about you back home, but yeah, back in New York where I am, like, you're everywhere. Yeah, I mean, I turned up to Heathrow airport. I was like, oh, yeah, there. Oh, yeah, that happened. They were actually putting that out when I did that, huh?

Really? Um, so let's talk a little, we talked about Jai. Let's talk about Christopher Palmer, because he just walked through here too. And he's like the epitome of like, he's an icon. Total icon. I mean, we all grew up with him, whatever age we are. Yeah. And seems like the classiest, coolest man on the planet.

Is he, what's the air of Christopher Plummer that he rings on set? And what was that like? He's really funny and charming and he's got incredible stories. He did this, like, amazing story and impression of Marlon Brando. And I was just, like, captivated. I mean, he knew all these people. like new Marilyn Monroe. I mean, it's like, it's insane.

He's our link to the past. Yeah, and he's like, you know, we were doing these night shoots and it was just a complete privilege to be there sitting in a back of a van with Christopher Plummer and he's, you know, not only is he like such an amazing man and whatever he's, as an actor,

watching him was just one of the most spine, tingly moments I've had even when he was doing that kind of, he could have these big outbursts at dinner, as the Kaiser and I just the whole temperature of the room went up and he does it in one take literally one take I barely saw him do more unless

David needed like a camera sure he nailed it and we should all hope to be like in his ninth decade like he's past 80 I think right that's crazy and he just works on stuff total machine I mean you grew up in an acting family so I mean I'm guessing that you were into film

into theater like what was give me a sense of like okay the three films that define Lily James Oh my God, I so can't answer that question. Okay, but just rattle off some of the influences. Well, you know, weirdly, like, I was really into musicals. Not weirdly, actually, I just, that's why I know why it's weird. But I, because I, even though I had, my grandma was an actress, but, you know, and my dad

acted when he was younger, but I didn't, I wouldn't say I was from, like, an acting, even though she was an amazing actress, she did her whole life. I, um, I didn't sort of, like, live and breathe that kind of world. Like, I didn't even really know what an agent was. I was kind of quite naive to it all still. But, yeah, so what movies? I mean... Were the ones you, like, knew by heart that you saw way too many times.

Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Class of. I mean, I love all the rom-coms. I mean, Titanic was just an obsession. Wait, was that a rom-com? That's not a rom-com. I mean, hang on, wait a second. That sadistic young lady that's clapping in the movie.

I mean, Jack! Ha-ha! Jack! We're going to drown again. And then I'm like a... So I was just thinking Kate Winsett from rom-coms and then Titanic. I love it. I think the first film I saw at cinema was Billy Elliott. Yeah.

Does it take anything away now that you're kind of part of the world of it? Can you still lose yourself in films? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I mean, I'm obsessed. I mean, but I do sort of, I still get lost in it, but I just, I love watching actors, and I love watching brilliant actors.

And I think that sometimes makes me, especially with women, because I'm like, ah, how do they do that? And I think that slightly does distract me sometimes and from just enjoying it as a piece. Right. Because I'm like, oh, my God, they're so good. Oh, wow, you know. So we're here at the Toronto Film Festival.

I've been here for a week, and I've backed in about 20 movies. I expect you can't do that kind of thing. Usually actors are always running around. Have you seen anything? No. What's the last, I guess you were talking about sort of like performances that you get caught up in? Like, can you cite the last film?

or performance that really, like, you kind of became obsessed with, whether it's a new film or an old film. God, what's the last film, I'm trying to think. I loved, I went, sort of when Marnie was there at the cinema, you know, the anime film by the guy that did, like, all the house moving castle and all those movies, which were incredible. But I guess I didn't really become obsessed with that because it's animated. There's nothing I can do to do that. There are limits to your powers. I would love to do, like, a voice-over film, though. Do you know what?

I just watched on the plane, which was pretty cool, actually, was that love and friendship. Oh, I haven't seen yet. The Whitestownman, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Whitestone of Cape Beck and so she's so good. And just because I'd just done a pride and purchased and zombies. I mean, there was zombies. But he got the tone really well, like captured that wit and humor of Jane Austen. When you get that right, it's still really funny.

Yeah. So you mentioned being obsessed with the musicals way back. I saw Lalo Land here. I don't know if you can hear me about it. It's so amazing. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm so excited to see that phone.

I don't want to overhype it, but it's kind of going to change your life. I'm actually, I am obsessed with Emma Stone as well. Like I talk about, like, who I like watch and just, um, what was the, what's the film what you did with Joaquin Phoenix, the, where he was in the, um, in the, it was the Woody, no, it wasn't Woody Allen, but he plays, yeah, it was a rational map. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was not that recent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll have, you know, you're sharing time on this podcast with Emma. I just chatted with her the other day.

So you're getting closer to her right now. I'm getting closer. Ah, I can feel it. So do you make it known to, like, team James put me up for every musical that's out there? Like, or is it that? I really want to do a musical. I do. I mean, the thing is, I think I've, like, I've sort of developed, I've sort of basically drunk too much and slightly damaged my voice.

Since I was in my more youthful teen years. Are you talking just from the liquor? or from karaoke sessions that have gone too far? I think it's like, that's what happens, isn't it? You drink and then you shout, or at least that's what happens to me. You need some healing time. You'll bounce back. I did do a great, I was filming in Atlanta doing this baby driver film,

which I'm so excited about. And we did end up in, what's the famous strip bar where it's like I saw your mama dancing at, where it's all like old strippers. Oh, I don't know, but okay. It's the classic, anyone that's listening that lives in Atlanta will know what I'm talking about. And they also, on one evening, on one side,

there's like someone like a really like amazingly great elderly woman stripping and then you look to the left and and then there's karaoke and so we could we compete it I did the spice girls and there's like someone's dripping and me and the video we were doing yeah I'll tell you what I want what I really really want yeah complimenting it all very well in short now we know how you blew up steam on the set of baby driver yeah yeah that happened we need to talk about that too because I remember I think when I talked to at Comic Con I was it was before before you had shot it, and I remember informing you that Ansel was not only a fine actor, but also... A DJ.

A DJ. Hello. Have you experienced the An Solo now? I have absolutely experienced it, and I'm a big fan. We would be doing night shoots in, like, really cool, sexy cars, because there's a lot of cars and they drive, obviously. And he'd be, like, he has his laptop. I mean, he's amazing. Like, music is his life.

Like, he's... And he'd be, like, mixing, and, like, he went into the studio with Jamie Fox, and they, like, did this track, and yeah it was really cool and I were like singing along to his tunes now I've got the real insight onto his new singles so you've gone from one end of the spectrum to the other yeah I'm a big fan girl now was the I mean you know Edgar's the best

we all love Edgar of course and but the Edgar Wright experience does this stand out as a unique one did it feel like a different kind of vibe from everything you've done yeah fuck I mean I was already such a big fan and now even more so I just think he's one of a kind and I can't wait to see he's so young. I can't wait to see what he does. I know. I feel like I'm already seeing like some, he's been showing it to other filmmakers.

Like have you seen a cut of it yet? Or have you seen anything? No, have you seen. I think they're doing screeners. Yeah, I'm doing like my ADR next week. So I'll see some stuff for the first time. Edgar was, was editing it in Soho and he came and watched my play. I was doing Romeo and Julia. And he was like, I would show you, but I can only show you other people's stuff because he knows that if I watch myself, I'll be like, oh, I hate it. I hate it. So he was like, you're not allowed to watch anything you're in. But... Are you doing an American accent?

Have you done that before? I'm trying to remember now. I've done it in plays and stuff, but never on film. Yeah. My dad was American, though. That was half my family was like... But this was Southern American. But actually, like, I'm not even joking the day before.

They were like, actually, can you do it, general American? I was like, no. You're like, wait, I'm spending months thinking about this. Yeah, I'm literally. You've been practicing this so hot, my southern belt. But it's kind of a gentle southern... Got it. Twang. Was there one line that gave you...

Heather. What did I do? I do, like. Well, I did have... As much as I like your real accent. Now I wish we'd done the whole podcast in that. Yeah. I love the Southern accent, actually. And there was some great, like, local actors from Atlanta, this dude called Hal, who I love. He was playing, like, the chef in the diner, and he was like, you sound like a proper Southern Val. I was like, yes. Pass the test. Yeah. So what's, I mean, I would think, I mean, obviously, you know, people talk to you about Downton a lot in Cinderella.

Does it feel like, what was the bigger shift? Downton, you think, post-Dountain or post-Cinderella in terms of opportunities? Have you noticed one affecting the career and the opportunities more, or what? I think I have to probably give the most sort of, like, key turning point to Downton, just because I don't think I'd have got Cinderella if I hadn't done Downton. Just because you weren't on the radar yet of people, probably at all. Yeah, so, but both of them have been pretty kind of key in my, journey and I'm

it's awful when actors talk about their journey. That's one of those words. The words. When I went to drama school, I come back on the Sundays and we'd be having like Sunday lunch or whatever my brothers and they're like Lily, if you mentioned your journey one more time. I was like, just on this journey of like, you know, discovery, self-discovery. Like, shut up.

Are you somebody that gets kind of like in the weeds about the acting process? Do you like talking about it or do you kind of roll your eyes when people start to talk about like process? says, I roll my eyes, and then I find myself at home being like, oh, God, and then I do it. So I actually can't, I have no right to roll my eyes. But I do think I, like, have a sense of humor about it. I don't take it too seriously. Right.

You're not going to become, like, a shoe cobbler for three years, Daniel DeLewis style? Well, I mean. I mean, if that's what it takes, it would be Dendo de Lewis, right? Yeah. I mean, listen, I actually am kind of into doing it, like, more kind of fully absorbing yourself in a world or in an accent or in a character. Yeah. If it's that kind of suit, if that's what's necessary to create a certain vibe of a movie.

Like, I'd love to do an improvised thing and stuff like that. But I also think it's good to, like, laugh at yourself. There's probably not going to be a lot of laughing in the next film you're shooting, I think. You're doing the Gary Oldman and Ben Mendelson. That sounds amazing because there are two of my favorites. Yeah. I mean, come on. It's so cool.

I'm so excited. I can't believe I'm going to do scenes with Gary Oldman. Yeah, I mean, I grew up, like, obsessed with Gary Oldman. I always say this story. Like, I remember growing up, like, not realizing. I didn't know what his accent, real accent was, until I saw him on a talk show. And I was like, wait, that's Gary old. Isn't that incredible, though?

Isn't that incredible when you see that with actors? That's getting increasingly difficult, like, now, because there's so many people want to know so much in social media and blah, blah, blah. But I always think that even with, like, Joaquin Phoenix, you're like, wow, who are you, man? Who is the Lockheed Phoenix? Yeah, it's so cool. Yeah. Do you feel like a push and a poll about that? Because, I mean, you're, like, of a generation that is, like, exposing everything about themselves on, I don't think you're, are you on social media?

I can't even remember. I'm on Instagram, but I think, actually, I think I'm just missed that generation. Yeah. I think that, like, a couple of years, like, younger than me, it's, like, standard, of course. You're on it. Whereas for me, I got it, like, later and have started doing it more, you know, yeah, I don't think it doesn't sit, like, completely, like, naturally with me. Right. Are you working on Snapchat?

Are you watching? I don't do Snapchat. I just do Instagram, and that is more than enough. It's a full-time job, right? It really is. I'm like, I don't know how to, like, make this witty and funny and, like, cool. Because usually it's not. So what's usually the podcast, and we're going to get you back at when you're in New York, hopefully, for a longer chat.

Because usually it's like we go 45 and we get deep, Lily. Yeah, let's go deep next time. So give me a hint for next time so you can help my research. What are like outside of film? What's the, like, what are you into? Like, what's like the two or three things that you're obsessed with day to day? I'm obsessed with, well, I was obsessed with my cat. And then I gave her away.

And like, I never grieved it. How bad is that? I think I'm a really cold person. You're on a couch, luckily, but you might want to lie down. What is that about? I know. You love the cat and you give it away. And then my boyfriend was like, wow, I can't believe you was cold.

Like, you literally gave her away. I think maybe it was a coping mechanism. Right. You were too close. You needed her too much. No, I had to give her away because I was never home. I was literally never home. And she was getting so angry and pissed off at me that she would literally piss everywhere, like everywhere.

Like, so I had, I mean, that wasn't why I got rid of her. I could deal with the piss, but I was never there anyway. Well, in a relationship when you're co-happ. with someone and they're pissing everywhere. It's usually time to break it up. You know, it's coming to the end, yeah. So, but she is happy, and I get, like, updates from who I gave her to, so, you know. It's okay.

Okay, so other than who I, like, old cat. You're a cat lady that breaks up with cats. Yeah. So I love going to cinema. I love going to the pub. These aren't really interests, are they? No, these are social social. Alcohol and movies are interests.

Yeah, that's good, right? Yeah. What else? What else? What else? You're like, wait. I need to sound more deep than this. I actually said last night,

which makes, I was like, someone's like, but did you actually read War and Peace, blah, blah, I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I fucking love reading. And I was like, oh, my God, I fucking love reading. I mean. It's like my fucking favorite thing to do. I read all the time. I read on Snapchat.

Yeah, magazines count. Yeah, no, I do. I read a lot. That's good. Yeah. What do people have? What does anybody actually do? I know. I'm like a film geek.

If I have to say the things that define me, it's being a born-bred New Yorker. Yeah, cool. Mine are a Londoner. That's a sure thing that defines me. Okay, there you go. Except for I grew up and sorry. Anyway, carry on. You're such a poser.

Okay, well, you have to go. You have to make the rounds here. It's good to talk you at least a little bit more at length, and this is kind of just a starter. Hopefully we'll chat more in the future. When we go deep, I'll have figured out some, I'll gain some interest. You'll find some depth in your soul. I'll work on it, too.

Oh, we got one snort. Do you know what? Tuppence Middleton, who's a really cool actress, so I'm sure you know. She does taxidermy. Oh, that is very interesting. I think it's because she's like, I think this is, the reason is that she loves her cat so much, unlike me. But when I think she wants, anyway, let's not even go to that. That's almost too interesting.

Okay, taxidermy next time. It's good to see you, Lily. You too. Thank you. Thanks so much. That was a little point. Lily James. Lily James.

If she hears that, she never want to talk to me again. Next up is one of our favorites are returning guests to HappySat Confused. Another star of the exception is Jai Courtney. Your boy. I really love Jai. I do.

And he gets a bad rap, I think, from some people. You know, he's, look, he's the first to admit like the Terminator movie wasn't the biggest. It wasn't a great film, and Suicide Squad certainly has had the tractors. I think he was great in it, and I think a lot of people think he was one of the better things in Suicide Squad. I agree. And he's, you'll hear in this interview. He is so candid.

He is just, he really is a great interview for context. So this was right after I talked to Lily, literally right after. In fact, if you go on my Instagram and you want to look at the happy, sad, confused photos I did with Lily, they are taken by Jai Courtney. Oh, my God. I gave him photo credit. But as you always do, you're good about that. I try to be. And he actually lay down on the couch next to me.

So I'm sitting basically being his therapist as he lies down on the couch and talks about this new film, the debut of his penis on screen, which appears in the exception. Although he says, well, you hear in the podcast, but he does say that his penis has appeared on screen before, but he does not acknowledge where. Apparently, it's a secret. Well, then that doesn't seem legit to me. Well, do your research. I'm not prepared.

I'm not prepared to go there. I'm on the Gi-Courtney penis. Jai-Corney Pino's Watch, 2016. And there's also, frankly, a really cool conversation about Suicide Squad and the divisiveness that that caused and his take on the critics and even talks a little bit about his divergent friends and how they're all doing, considering that franchise maybe going to TV, which is a little bit of an odd transition for that. But I love this guy, and I hope you guys enjoy this conversation with Jai Courtney. Jai Courtney. Joy Courtney. That was good.

Thank you. Hey, Jai. Hey, man. Jai's joining me. He's literally reclined on the couch. It's been a long day? Not really. I just have that effect on you.

You want to curl up with you? You just, yeah, exactly. You can't come and cuddle me anytime. How you've been, my friend? Yeah. Pretty good, man. You're okay? Good.

When did I see you last? For suicide. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. When? Where? We were in New York. They didn't fucking let me speak to you.

I know, I know. What was up with that? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know that. We needed a break. That was rough. Yeah, that's good. It's actually, you know what?

You're right. And now, doesn't it feel sweeter now? Yeah, it does feel sweet. Feels real good. Okay, just calm down. Don't freak out the podcast listeners. Okay, all right. Are we live?

Sure. Yeah, let's say we're live. All right, cool, we're live. Does it feel a little better not having the, the like the whole studio resting on your shoulders for the film you're promoting right now the stakes are so damn big last time now this is the stakes are big yeah I guess so I mean I don't know man it's always like I don't know that shit really worry me too much I mean if the film sucks and you've got it and it's like a huge situation I guess that's kind of uncomfortable

but um yeah you know that hasn't been the case for a minute so it's all good yeah but it is nice It's nice, it's nice shaking it up a little. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this one, I enjoyed very much. It's got a hell of the cast, and you. Thanks. Look at that, right?

He's threatening to hurt me now. I can tell. No, but it is. It's a good piece of work. In a weird way, I've been at Toronto all week. It's almost like a pallet cleanser to get like a, it's a word to say, but like a Nazi thriller is a pallet cleanser. Yeah, yeah. Damn straight.

It kind of was. Yeah, you know you're fucked up. Seriously. When you're not, when your Nazi thrillers are the palate cleanser. But it's you, it's got a hell of the cast. I mean, Christopher Palmer, come on, come on, man. Christopher's the man, dude. And he just walked through here, and he's still like the epitome of, is he really?

He's just a boss, you know? And he's like over 80. How is that possible? Yeah, he's killing it. It was like acting lessons every day watching him work. He operates with such economy, and, you know, he's just like got it down, man. You'd want to hope so after, you know, I think he's got about 200 credits on his CV. But if he just turned to you, he'll get there.

What if he turned to you, he was just like, what should I do? What do I do, try? The clues are in the script. Oh, dear. So where were you at when this one came around? Were you in the middle of one of your six different franchises? I was on squad, actually. It was actually funny because I was about 250 pounds of, you know, fucking Olympic lifting for fucking boomerang.

And I get this roll and I'm like, great. And they're like, you're shipping off to Brussels in two months. and as lucky I had that buddy coat on for suicide squad because I didn't tell anyone that I had to like stop eating and like just walk on a fucking treadmill constantly to try and get down. I'm like, dude, yeah, I was like, yeah, that was kind of, it was interesting

because you know, like those uniforms, like that Vermarked action, you got, like, those boys looked slick. Right. But 1940, like, no one had enough to eat. Right. You know what, you know, where you were and that was

uh yeah there's no cross trading back in you know I got lucky like I got literally a few days um by the end but it would ran back to back

yeah um which was kind of crazy to step off that suicide squad set and all of a sudden I'm you know triding on like knee high leather boots right

uh yeah but you're such a sweet charming Nazi as far as Nazis go I feel like not all Germans are Nazis I've worn that And Yeah, that was actually One of the alternative titles

For the film that we workshoped Was what? I'm taking you seriously? You said it with a straight face, I don't know Yeah We used to launch into a show tune Called that There's a musical version of this

On the cutting room floor Not all Germans are Nazis No, not all Germans are bad might make a nice DVD extra yeah I know we'll see what happens is there something bizarre about putting on that uniform every day yeah it's pretty wild man

it is one of those things I mean look look the difference is and I'll make this distinction is that you know Brand my character he's in the Vermark which is the German army he's not SS so you know whilst he's he's wearing the swastika and the Iron Cross

and everything it's important to note that he you know he isn't yet, you know, in a place where he, um, has anything to sort of do or support that sort of ideology. Right. And I guess that's a part of, a major part of his struggle in this film is kind of coming to terms with that and figuring out where his loyalty lies. Um, but, uh, but it's definitely still, um, quite scary to kind of put that on.

Yeah, it's a mind fuck. I look in the mirror every day and it's a total mind fuck. Yeah. And it's, but it's, but it's fucking cool, man, you know, in a weird way as well. And I don't mean that, you know, um, with any. sort of lack of respect. No, yeah. But it's just like it's, yeah,

it's, it's, it's rowdy and it's, it's iconic. The power, exactly, the power of that image does not go any less as the years go back. That's right. Maybe more. Yeah. Congratulations on the debut, I believe, of your penis on screen.

Yeah, I think it is, right? Congrats, man. Actually, it's not. Oh, wait. But, but I'm not going to tell people where they can... Oh, there's an Easter egg out there. Ah, there's an easterick. Is that what you call it?

Is that what you call it? I guess you do now. Yeah, that's, I've always called my penis an history. Is it a divergent? What? Is there a kids movie I'm out there that has a Jai's penis? Okay, I'll go back to the Uvra and look extensively for your deck. Yeah, right on.

My feeling is, my guess is that you're, you'd almost rather just be nude lying on the couch here than clothes. I'm getting quite a reputation. Yeah, you know. Justifiably so, I think. Yeah. Fuck, look, I don't know. I mean, look, I'm pretty comfortable, you know. Starkers, if you will.

I mean, it's, you know, I don't want to offend anyone. Right. But, um. Well, he said you were almost disturbingly comfortable. I might have put the words in her mouth. Oh, right. Oh, fuck. Look, man, look, you've got to build a system of trust and just go with it.

Okay. Sometimes it's far, look, I'll put it this way, right? The alternative, right? And maybe our viewers at home might not understand this exactly. But, you know, if you're not naked and appearing naked, chances are you are strapped or glued into an apparatus that A, prevents you from urinating for the next six hours while you shoot the scene.

Right. And B is going to give you, you know, a wax job on its way off. You know, so, look, I think, obviously, It's not, you know, you can't just, you can't put the jewels on screen all the time. And I actually, I actually didn't know that they were going to be in shot. But, look, like, man, you suffer for your art. But sometimes, look, it just makes sense to kind of get real and get in the moment. Sure.

And I think if you trust each other and everyone's kind of cool and things are treated with respect and sensitivity, then, you know, that's okay. There's a time of place. Postmortem on Suicide Squad. So what's your sense? Were you surprised by the reaction how divisive it was? I feel like, why? I mean, I truly did enjoy the film. I sure I had quibbles with it,

but certainly, like, I had major quibbles with Batman. I'll put it that way. I did not have that with Suicide Squad. But it felt like the fan boys in particular really came after it. Did that surprise you guys? Did they?

I don't fuck it. See, I'm so, like, out of touch sometimes. Yeah. If things get a bit noisy, I like, I stop listening. Yeah. You know? That's probably healthy. I don't know.

I mean, what was the... I mean, look, it's performed incredibly well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, I mean, we all know that a film doesn't have to be great in order to do that. I really enjoyed Suicide Squad. I think you ask for it in that realm no matter what. I mean, is there an example of one that the fanboys haven't come after? I mean, isn't, like, what is it?

You tell me, and I'm sure the answer is yes. Yeah, I mean, look, there's obviously the, I mean, to the extreme, there's the Chris Nolan films, which everybody went insane for. Yeah. Yeah, right? They're great. Chris Nolan films. That's cool. That's a different piece. There seems to be like a trust, I think, right? I think one of the problems maybe is beyond a particular film, which is like that DC is still figuring out what the vibe is and everything. DC is still the bad guy too, you know? Right. And like Marvel have this incredible formula that seems to work.

You know, I think some elements of those movies, not that I see a lot of them, but I think some are done really, really well and handled, and they're very entertaining. And they've done a wonderful, you know, they've had the sort of the time to let that shit marinate. to a point where everything's established now, you know, we don't have to figure out who anyone is. And it's like, cool, get them all together. And it's like, cool, let's have a fucking orgy and make a billion dollars. And that's, that's great, man. Like, I think it's awesome. And I think, you know, it's, listen, if I was playing Thor for the ninth time, you know, I'd be stoked as well. But, uh, you know, as I'm sure Chris is. But listen, it's like, I don't know, how do you please everyone? And I don't think suicides.

squad ever intended to. So whilst it's like, no one's setting out to, like, upset the fan base, certainly not a fan base that can be as loyal as this kind of crowd can, but I don't know how you push the envelope or try and protect something. Without taking risks and you have to, yeah. I mean, that's it, man. And it's like, if you're not going to make a movie R-rated, right, and you want everyone to come and see it essentially, well, then how, like, if everyone's going to.

to come see it chances are a whole bunch of people aren't going to love it because i mean i know what i like in a movie and it's not the same thing as my 12 year old niece sure you know but what if it were though well maybe sometimes it is you know but it's like uh you know i think it's it's it's a challenge man yeah and i think david did an incredible job and i sure as hell hope we get to make another one with him and and all the crew and we'll see what happens dude i mean listen i've had i've had um I've had far more embarrassing kind of, you know, tant pole performances, so it's all good. There's word on the street, the rumors that maybe boomerangles show up in the Flash movie.

Is that the rumor? There's a rumor going around. I like that rumor. You like it? I like that a lot. Anything to it? Have you heard anything? Where's that at?

They're not... Well, they got a director, right, and they're casting up. I don't know what the timeline is. Hopefully they'd let you know soon. I keep everyone in the dark, mate. We're all mushrooms over there at the day. D.C. House. You know what I man? Do you feel... Keeps in the dark

and feed of shit. Do you feel for your old divergent buddies? Do you follow that? How now they're like... Oh, what are they doing a TV series now? They want to do a TV series? Of course, Shailene doesn't want to do it. Why would she? I don't fucking feel from them. They've all made so much money off that shit. What am I going to cry over there?

Give me a break. No, you know what? It's good at it. I'm looking forward to seeing Shea in in, you know, in the... Snowden. The Snowden one, yeah, it's good. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. That'll be cool. I did feel, I must admit,

when I came back for the second movie in that, I was filming Terminator at the time, and, like, having a blast, shaking it up, and came over, and it was kind of like asking everyone, like, what they'd been up to. And it was like, poor She was like, well, we, like, made the movie, you know, for half the year, and then pretty much since then,

like, I got some sleep, and then I've been promoting the movie, and now we're filming the next one. Yeah. And that seemed, I mean, that was two years ago, go now that I saw her. It's like she hasn't stopped doing that since. Yeah. You know, her and Theo, I'm sure, they're probably knackered. And who knows? I mean, maybe they're stoked at the thought of, like, shaking up the medium and trying to, you know, it sucks if something doesn't perform too well, but, mate, I don't know how anyone ensures that something will these days.

Yeah. I mean, even the biggest properties you can't. It's just, it's it. You can't. How can you? Yeah. On to the next one. Thanks for sitting on, not sitting on the couch, lying on the couch with me. I'm not known anyway, dude. They're telling me you are. Maybe I am. Maybe they're pulling me away. Really? I don't know.

Are we done? He says we're done, the guy behind you. All right. We're done for now. All right. Go fuck yourself. What? I'll speak to you next time.

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