Happy Sad Confused - Gal Gadot

Episode Date: August 31, 2026

Gal Gadot is on the pod for the first time! Gal and Josh cover her new movie, THE RUNNER, what it was like to get WONDER WOMAN and then later say goodbye to that era, her audition for MAD MAX: FURY ROAD, her FAST & FURIOUS character mix-up, a look back at her IMAGINE video, and more!  SUPPORT THE SHOW BY SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS! Rula -- Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rula.com/happy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #rulapod Quince -- Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince.com/HAPPYSAD ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠for free shipping and 365-day returns. Limited Time Offer–Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code happy15 at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://huel.com/happy15.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show! UPCOMING EVENT! 10/13 -- Joe Manganiello in NY -- Tickets here: https://www.92ny.org/event/joe-manganiello-with-josh-horowitz-bloodlines Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He's like, so I need to talk to you about Giselle's death. And I'm like, she's deaf? He goes. No, no, no, no. Her death. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I heard you. She lost her hearing? And he goes.

No, die, die. We're killing her. She's not in the film. I was like, oh, okay. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused. begins now. Hey guys, it's Josh.

Welcome to another edition of Happy Say I Confused. Today on the show, we've got a first-time guest. A major movie star is in the house. It's Gal Gadot talking about her new film, The Runner, but so much more. Wonder Woman Fast and the Furious. Lots of great stuff in this one. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast.

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Gal Gadot, one of the most charismatic human beings I've ever had the pleasure of talking to, meeting in the past. She, of course, came to the four first in the Fast and the Furious movies, but then Wonder Woman just changed everything. And we talk about it in all in this conversation. Her journey to becoming an actor, it was not in the cards early on, her early audition stories, how she almost was furious in Manmack's Fury Road, being cast in Fast and the Furious, being cast in BV, yes, her fascinating journey as Wonder Woman and how it all came to an end. Very frank conversation there. And what's to come? What's on the docket going forward? Really cool stuff with her. So happy this happened. I know you guys are going to take this. Without any further ado, please enjoy me and Gall. Gault, good to see you. We're doing the podcast.

I see you. Oh, my God. I'm very excited. I'm very excited. Thank you for taking the time. Finally, though. Finally. You've been on the list for a long time. I'm sad it's not in person, but this is just laying the groundwork for the future, okay? Exactly, exactly. Have you been? I've been really good. You're doing what?

I'm good. Are you in New York or in a lot? I'm in New York. Welcome to my New York apartment. Welcome to Midtown Manhattan. My dog is hiding in the other room. All the books in the background and everything. I got my little E.T. doll over here.

There you go. I love it. So I appreciate you. Congratulations on the film. You're taking the time out from one of these crazy. junket days. Did you ever imagine that there would be 300 different ways of asking about your running technique? No, it's quite amazing. It always amazes me. So many. And I have the type of mom. I grew up, my mom, she would call me, I don't know how many times a day to ask the same question,

also in different variations. So you've been prepping your entire life for junkets. I'm still shocked by the way people find, you know, it's amazing. But listen, Granted, the movie is, I've been running the entire film. It's a thing. It's not normal. We'll get to that. We'll get to that, before we get to that, though, because this is important. Look, I'm a fan.

There's some gifts. There's some memes that I just am obsessed with. Let's just get this out of the way. Okay. You know this one. You know the dancing on the set of BVS. Oh, yes. So I've never heard the context behind this.

Like, is this just gall in between takes? Just letting loose, basically? Yes. That's the real me. Not one of my best moves, but like me when I'm feeling happy. Because you've got the chops. You've got the dancing chops, so that's not your go-to move. That's just you.

That's not my go-to move, no. But it's a move. Have you ever sent a gif or a meme of yourself to a friend or a loved one? Yes. Can you give me an example? It's the Wonder Woman after the first time she appears on Batman Superman when she takes off the one. And what's the occasion? What's the, what's the content? It's like different moments when people in my life had done something incredible and they made it.

I'm like, yeah. That's, you know you've done something good. Exactly. Amazing. Amazing. All right, let's read the good word of this film. Congratulations. The film is the runner. This is like a lean, mean, efficient, kind of like, you know, it's in the title. Go, go, go.

Get what the title promises, don't you? When you sign on to something like this, like I would think there are two ways to look at it. Like, oh, in some ways this is going to be like, I don't, not a lot of dialogue. It's a lot of physicality. I don't have to worry about a lot of dialogue. On the other hand, wait, oh shit,

I'm going to be running for 85% of this movie. Did both things kind of occur to you as you took this one on? It wasn't the first things, the first thoughts that I had for me. For me, I read the script for the first time and it was a very easy read and what drew me in was the the ending, the fact that, you know, that I could not tell how it's going to end and the twist and turns just blew my mind. I was like, ah, so good.

And I immediately knew that that would be like the type of film that I'll enjoy watching. As usual, you go, you watch a film and halfway in, you already know how it's going to end, but not with this one, hopefully. I mean, the premise of this basically, like I said, the kind of title tells it all. You are literally like running for, I would say, 85% of this movie. It's like, it's like speed if you were the bus. You can't go on your... It's like a go, go, go from the get-go.

I play Maya, who's a single mom, very, very dedicated single mom, A-type lawyer. who goes on a morning run after she drops up her son, drops off her son at school, and all of the sudden she gets a phone call from an unknown caller who tells her he has her son. And if she wants to save her son, she needs to do something for him, not allowed to talk to anybody,

not allowed to call the police, get on a cab, she has to get from A to B by running and to do what he's. tells her to do. And that's like essentially in real time. And it's really a good way to connect the audience because you automatically put yourself in that situation.

And as you said that, yeah, you've got a demented Damien Lewis on the other line. If I were you, I would resent him not only for the things he's saying, but also he's got the easiest job of the business for this movie. All he's just big. Come on. Yeah. Menace voice. You know.

Yeah. But he's incredible. No, he's great. How does it sit with you? at this point of your career were like, this was obviously, and we'll get to kind of the career arc, but like this was not the plan. Like being an actor, let alone being like this like action star. Like what do friends and family that you grew up with make of you as this kind of like action star icon in film? Well, I don't know. You'll have to ask them. I'm bad with these type of questions when I have to say something for, you know, other people. I think that in a way for me, I always, as a kid, I always loved to be the center of attention and blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I was a dancer and I did performing arts for so many years. I just didn't, I wasn't aware that there's even a avenue for me to become an actor. Because I come from a family who's very like proper. You finish your school. You need to get a degree, get a real career, blah, blah. I was on my path on becoming Maya, becoming a lawyer and like political science. But I think that the universe has its ways of showing you the right direction. And I'm a big believer that if you're a positive, open-minded person who is proactive,

you will always land where you need to be. Did it take you a while to kind of like say the words like, I'm an actor? Like the, this is, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember only after Wonder Woman was when I would like feel like I've earned the title. I mean, that's interesting because you had a body of war. You had a bunch of fast movies and some other films and TV by then. No, only after Wonder Woman, I was like, okay, I'm an actress now, you know.

Okay, so we'll get to that. Let's backtrack. I want to backtrack a little more on this one because, again, I know you've been talking a lot about the running. But like, I mean, look, we all have different ways of working out a bit. Are you a runner in real life? Is this like one of your go-toes? Oh, my God, no. If there's one I hate while I work out is running. That's the one you dread. So like, it's, it was shocking to me that I said yes to this role, but I'm very happy I did. It's funny because like the thing I dread most, I am a runner. I run a central park nearby where I live. And like the thing I dread

most is running into a human being that I know, like, running. And this is like, look, you're a dogadot. You look pretty good in all contexts, generally speaking, I would say. So, well, but still, like, this is not what people want to see themselves as. Like, did you have to kind of think of, like, how glamorous or non-glamorous you want to look? Like, because you're, you are exerting yourself throughout this movie. No, I go. No, I was, many days I was wearing no makeup at all. Yeah. Because we want to. The way that Kevin filmed everything and all of our discussions prior filming the movie were that we want to keep this movie. Because he comes from, yes, he did the last king of Scotland, but also he's done mostly documentaries.

And in a way, we felt that that would be, you know, that would be a very, very great way to leverage his skills and film this movie. like a documentary almost. So I wanted her to feel raw. And we wanted her to feel, you know, like not perfect in any shape or form. So I would have, you know, no makeup or bad makeup and just, you know, do that. Because I think that's also my job as an actress.

I'm not supposed to look good. I'm supposed to be truthful to the character that I play. Do you, what's on your playlist when you, if you do run or when you're working out? Like, what's the go-to? What are the artists that you're listening to? Prodigy, if I really need to, like, get in it. Infected mushroom. Okay.

Yeah. But if I do like, it's interesting. That's when I run, right? When I run, I really need something to get me going. When I do, like, weight work, it would be a whole deal. different, like beautiful, sweet, pop, jazzy, whatever. I don't need that. What about the run it? I needed more. It's like my beach up.

Where does Duran Duran fit in? Because it seemed like how big a highlight of this past year was seeing Duran Duran Duran in person? You know something? I love them so much. And Patty Jenkins is friends with them. and she invited my husband and I to join them for the concert. And it was amazing. And I grew up listening to Durand Duran because my dad wouldn't stop listen to them, to the Peshmod and to the Pachia Boys. So it was like it was a full circle.

I kept on FaceTiming my dad from Israel the whole show, the whole concert. Yeah. Is it hungry like the wolf, Rio? What are you singing along to? What's your go-to? Everything. They're so good. It's so amazing how many hits they have.

But Rio, you know, Rio is iconic. Look, you've got a lot of young ones in the house. Do they drag you to concerts? Do you drag them to concerts? Who's tipping off who to musical taste now? It varies. It varies. We go to a lot of concerts together.

I feel like now they drag us more than we drag them just because we're so tired. We're the cliche of tired parents right now. I'm in this face. But I love going on concerts. Have they exposed you to anything that they are obsessed with that you kind of like, okay, I get it. We've been to Olivia Rodrigo.

We've been to Sabrina Carpenter. We've been to all the immediate aspects. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So I don't feel like they found a niche, cool, new up-and-coming artist yet. Wow. You're saying your kid's musical taste is basic. My daughter wants me to take her now to Phoebe Waller Bridge. How amazing is that? Good taste. Phoebe Bridgers. That's what you mean. What did I say? Peabee Wally-Wallard Bridge who's amazing too, Fleabag. Like the writer, that's amazing. But you're talking Phoebe Bridgers, I think, right? Wait a second.

Who am I talking about, Katie? Phoebe Bridgers. Yeah, we got it. We did it. You've been stunk getting all day. I thought about Phoebe Waller Bridge. Now I'm realizing that it's... I didn't know the woman that made fleabag of concerts.

Now I know, I'll know I won't be surprised when I get to the concert. And I was telling my daughter. It's like a spoken word for things? I went to her show in London five years ago. She was like, she was a thing five years ago. Never mind. Anyway, good to know. We got this.

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We talked about early on, yes, acting was not the plan. When did, what was like the first big audition? Was it, the lore is Quantum of Salas was the big one? Was that the first big one? Yeah. That was the first ever audition I did for anything. That's a big one to start. Okay.

I didn't even want to go. You didn't want to go? Yeah. No, because I wasn't an actress. I was like, I was, I had to go to study in college and, you know, it conflicted with my schedule in college. And I was not planning on going. and I was pushed to go and I was like, okay, I'll go out of respect to the, to the casting director.

And I think that what helped me, so I told, I was telling you about the universe as a way of showing you when you're positive and proactive and all of that. I think because I was a nice person, I was nice with the casting designer, cast and designer, casting director. Yeah. She liked me and then she wanted to, you know, make it happen for me. Because I walked in and I had this like lip gloss and she was like, oh my God, my lips are so chapped. Can I use some? I was like, here, keep it. Because I was like, I'm not going to share figures with keep it.

It was a very good one. And then we were kind of like super warm and friendly with each other. and she really, really, really helped me with the script. She said, I'm here for three hours, go outside, learn the lines, and I'll help you. And that's what we did. And she spent a long time in the room with me trying to help me get the best audition I can. And obviously, I didn't get the part, which also, how rude of me to even think I would ever be able to get the part, that being my first edition.

but she was the one to cast me for Fast and Furious. That was the first film I've ever done. So that one leads to Fast, and is that, that's Justin Lin, I think, directed the first one you were in, correct? Yeah. Do you remember, I mean, those Fast movies are insane. Like, even for people that have been making movies for 30 years, those are unusual sets, the way they're made, everything about them.

It's like the human superhero. Exactly. Exactly. Do you remember the first couple days on set, like the vibe, the, like, were you overwhelmed? in over your head, excited, what were you feeling? I was, I was all of the above. I was excited and terrified at the same time.

I was overwhelmed by the, like, you know, the trailer and crafty and I was like, you know, why did I, I knew nothing about this world. And all of a sudden I'm here and I'm in LA and I'm filming this movie and it was amazing. But it was also, I got very lucky because everyone were so warm and sweet. And there was this sense of, you know, family when I was there. So it was really, it was a good, it was a good, you know, landing into this world.

How did they deliver the news to you eventually that Giselle was going to seemingly, I'll say now, die? Oh my God. So I was in Israel and I get a phone call from Justin Lean. And the line is like a little bit like breaking off on and off. And Justin is like, listen, we need to talk. There's something I need to share with you. He's now a good timing. I'm like, yeah, yeah, what's going?

And he's like, so I need to talk to you about Giselle's death. And I'm like, she's deaf? He goes. No, no, no. Her death, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I heard you. She lost her hearing? And it goes. No, die, die.

We're killing her. She's not in the film. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, that was the call. That's crazy. Now, that's amazing. When that death scene happened, was there, we never saw the body right at the time,

and clearly now we know she made it. Was there talk at the time like, we'll see, down the line, or did you at the time think she was gone for good? I was thinking she was gone for good. But then was the one to always tell me, did you see a body? Was there a funeral? Did you see a body?

Yeah. So do we know how she made it out alive? No, we don't. But we don't. How can we know? The cameo I've done for the last film is like just we don't share any information. Right. So you don't know yet.

Maybe I know, but I can't say anything. Do you know? Do you? I don't know what I know. I know in life that I don't know anything anymore. Also, when you're dealing with Vin and the scripts change, look, do we actually think, in your heart of parts, do you think you're going to do another fast movie?

Vin seems to think hopefully they're going to do another one at the end of the year. What are you feeling thinking at this point? I would love to. I think that this became such a cultural event. Like wherever I travel in the world, people talk to me about Fast and Furious. It's amazing how loved this franchise is.

And for me, it's like a full circle. It's where I started. It's where it ends. I would love to. Maybe she'll come back deaf this time. Not dead, just deaf. Maybe. I'm always fascinated by the what-ifs,

and there's one movie that I've talked to with a lot of actors, seemingly every great actor auditioned for this movie, and you seemingly came very close to being Furiosa in Mad Max Fury Road. I've talked to great actors like Fastbender and Jeremy Renner, and they've all had very unique experiences,

auditioning. They all have, They all had the experience on Fury Road or on different ones. No, auditioning specifically for Fury Road. It was crazy. This is what I hear. What was... I did my match with Tom Hiddleson.

What? And we were in London with Oliver? What's the name of the director? No. Oh, and George Miller. George Miller, sorry. Yep. And we came to London.

I came to London. And I remember walking into this beautiful home in London into this office. And we stayed there for four hours. And I came with all layers. It was like a winter cold day in London. And I came out in like a tank top. It was so intensive, the work that we've done and how much we filmed. They were really like, was amazing.

Did you feel, I didn't know. I'm going to see Hiddleston next week. I'm going to ask him about this. Yeah, please too. Do you, like, did you feel in that moment, was there a moment where you thought you might have gotten that role? Yeah, because I felt good about the work that we did.

And he's such an incredible actor. By the way, I've never seen him since. And I didn't know him back then. Like he was like a big theater actor in England. But he was so amazing and it felt really good. But George really knew, you know, he had a vision for what he wanted. And it's amazing. I didn't know Jeremy Runner was going through the whole process as well.

Oh, he was too fast-spender, had a very amusing audition story. Everybody went through it. That's fascinating. So one thing that did lead to, obviously, the role that changed everything was meeting Zach Snyder, which I think was at first for Man of Steel, right? That was a role that you talked about one of the roles in that one. And then he brings you back. And correct me if I'm wrong,

when he brought you back for BVS, is it true you didn't know? You literally didn't know it was for Wonder Woman at the time? No. So I did an audition in right around Fury Road. Yeah. I got the no. And I think that Fass just came out.

And I was deaf. And then I reached a point in my career that I had so many old. Almost. Yeah. But then I wasn't a big enough of a name or it didn't work out or they went a different direction. I was already a mother and my husband had all of his business in Israel and I told him, I'm not

sure if I want to continue chasing this. This was never my dream to be an actress and it's and I, it's too hard. It's like not, I can deal with, with, you know, challenges. But this is not up to me. And maybe listening to the universe. All this work and I can't get anywhere. So I want to, maybe I'll go back to Israel. I'll finish my degree, whatever.

And then my last addition, before going back to Israel, was for Warner Brothers for a secret audition with Zach Snyder. Right. And again, I think because I was very, you know, warm. and myself and like asking question and you know interested in people Zach and I really connected on the audition and now I know that I did a scene of Uma Turman from pop fiction okay back then I didn't I didn't even realize that and then I did the audition it went great but I went back home I didn't hear

anything from them and when they called to to come and do the match with Ben for a callback. Zach called me and he was like, I don't know if you have this character in Israel, but did you ever hear about Wonder Woman? And I was like, dead alike. Yeah, yeah, I did, yes. Okay, great, so Wonder Woman.

All right. And then, you know, I flew to L.A. to do the audition. audition and good enough. That's history. Do you remember the moment you, I mean, that's, you know, it's rare to know when you're having a moment in time that this is a moment that is changing your life. But I assume when you get that phone call or email or whatever, that's a moment you'll always remember when you got the role.

Yes. I remember everything and I have the worst memory. But it's funny, I remember a lot from all the auditioning process and doing the, and they kept us, I think there was three of us, three women. They kept us completely, you know, separated from each other. So we don't, and there were three trailers and we each went out to do the addition in, you know, on our turns and were not allowed to leave the trailer. It was like, cuckoo.

But it was back in the days where like you have to sign all of this confidentiality and everything is secretive. and the studio keeps everything tight and you're not allowed to say... I don't think we were even allowed to say that Ben was Batman. I don't remember anymore. But anyway, yes, the moment when I was told I got the part,

I flew to New York, and I just landed, and I opened my phone, and I saw, like, million phone calls from my team. By the way, it's been like six weeks, since I auditioned for the part. So I was like, fuck them. They probably not even, you know, I already like put it at the back of that compartment.

And then they told me. And then they told me and I was like shocked. I was still buckled and we were just, we just landed. And I opened the phone. And then back in the days where you don't have Wi-Fi while traveling. And then they told me and I went like down on my, to my, you know, with my head to my knees. And I started like, like that. And next to me was sitting a professor for physics, a physics professor that the entire flight was teaching me about black holes and all of those things.

And he was like, I shared so much with you. Tell me what happened. And I'm like, I can't. I can't. You'll read about it soon. I wish I could. You read Deadline Hollywood. Do you check variety? Just keep reading. Yeah, you'll see it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Instead of all of your science, whatever. But yeah, it was amazing. And then I remembered how weird it was because I landed in New York, got to the hotel. And I had to fall asleep because I was shooting something the next day early morning.

And I was just in bed and I could not fall asleep. I could not believe I'm supposed to carry this news with me without being able to share it with, you know, anybody but my husband and parents. Yeah, it was amazing. More happy, say, confused coming up. Hey, I'm Ashley, host of Crime Salad, and every week, my husband Ricky joins me as my partner in crime. We know the true crime space is crowded, so we skip the loud, bubbly small talk and get straight to the facts of the most gripping cases. If you want to see what we're all about, check out our recent two-parter deep dive. She saved him.

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And then, like, I feel like everything is so circular, right? Like, the same conversation happened this past year, I feel like with Supergirl. Like, do you, like, when you saw that kind of happen, like, Supergirl came out and sadly didn't, like, perform at the box office, did that, like, I don't know, do you have, like, some kind of, like, interesting connection to that and say, like, I feel a connection to that went through. Because I always felt, and I think I can speak for Patty as well, we always felt while filming the movie like we were the underdogs. That was not the film that the studio was the make it or break it. We were like the cheap superhero movie that got, I think, somewhere between 80 to 100 million budget and go and do your thing while everybody else are going to focus on the other

guys is a film yeah so in a way it's like a bummer to be the underdog but in a way penny and I were like all right so we get to do what we want to do what do we believe in let's talk about that what do we want this movie to be and we just let ourselves dream like we we were talking about how we want this movie to be about love and humanity and unity and all all the things that, you know, not about war, whenever, and we were allowed to dream and we kind of got away with it because everybody were so occupied with the other films. The boys over there. Exactly.

So when it came out, and again, granted, what did I know back then? It was my first title movie and I was, I didn't have the experience in these films. I remember we were on a jet and everybody were on our way to New York and everybody were placing bets how much we're going to open. And I remember someone said 60 and this guy say, no, I think like 75 max. And I was like, I think 120 million. And I remember everybody was looking at me, living in a train. Now I must tell you, I did not know what I was.

talking about, I didn't have the perspective, but I guess I, you know, I felt a little bit the trend. But yeah, we got, we got, you know, I think we were doing the right thing at the right time. Yeah. Did you, was there like a specific moment where you had to let up let go of that character where like you knew definitively whether it was like James Gunn or Peter Saffron or someone told you like, sorry, officially, we're going to go a different way going forward. No, they told me the opposite. They were like, we're going to develop it with you, the third, la-la-la. But I saw the way everybody else were handled.

Right. And I, you know. Yeah, the Henry situation was unfortunate. I was in the middle of, yeah, that. The Henry situation was not being handled elegantly to say the least. Same with Patty, was not handled elegantly. I feel like, you know, we're all adults, and it's all good, and it's not even about them.

They are there, and they're there to do what they believe in, and it's all good. I'm so grateful that I got the opportunity to wear these boots and to have the character be so celebrated and be the vessel at that point of time. And I can only wish for whoever one it's going to be to really come pure to this journey. Because as much as it's like we're talking about movies and superheroes and blah, blah, blah.

But this character really means so much to so many of us to really use it respectfully and bring all the love and light it can to this world. and then enjoy the ride. It was never mine. I was always just a vessel. Yeah, you're the custodian until the next. Yeah, and you did a great job. Exactly. Yeah.

This is Hollywood. Yeah. There's another fascinating kind of what if in recent years another iconic role. Supposedly Margot Robbie wanted you to be Barbie before she decided, okay, I'll just do it myself. Did that ever get... How lucky are we that Margo did it herself?

I mean... I mean... I iconic, of course. Brilliant. But? Brilliant. Was there a real conversation? No, no.

Margo is 100 after, out of 100. I was, I was, I guess I was not aware at the time. I guess it's one of those, you know, she's busy. Maybe they thought about me and I was busy filming. I was filming like two projects back then. Right. But I'm so humbled and, you know, grateful for, for Margot to think about me.

And I'm so grateful that Margo did the role because it was incredible. It was so bad. There's room for more Barbies. Exactly. That's true. Where are you at in terms of like, has your criteria changed for what you're looking for?

Ambition wise as an actor, given your family like, given where you're at in the world right now, like where is your head at in terms of what excites you from a career perspective? Look, it's all about the script and the filmmaker, usually. I do think that for me to go and do, for example, another Wonder Woman, I'm not sure I would at this point in my life with four children and different schools and all of that to check out all of them for such a long period of time.

It doesn't work with my life anymore at this point. But, you know, I remember when I just started, I was talking to Kate Winslet. And I asked her, I back then had like one daughter and she had three. And I asked her, how do you do it? Like, how do you manage? And I think it's different dads. And she was like, you just do. Or you don't.

And that's fine too. And it's so true, you know, whatever needs to happen will happen. whatever is not meant to be won't happen. And that's it. You know, I don't, I'm not the type of person that, like, has a 10-year planner. Like, it's not me. I'm much more, I go with the flow, I act from my instincts and my intuitions. And so far, it led me where I am today.

so I'm grateful for that. I mean, you strike me as such a positive person always. And like any actor, like every actor has their ups and downs, right? There are the films you go in with the best of intentions and for whatever reason. Whatever, you know, every film is a miracle to even get made, let it will and be a success. But when things like, you know, Snow White didn't have the outcome everybody wanted it to. And in like another way, like, I mean, I'm sure people bring this up, but like the imagine music video, which is something you go in with the, you know, that's the best of intentions.

and it's something, I don't know if there's a warning. The way to hell full of good intentions, they say. Yeah. I mean, is there, did you take away a lesson from that experience? Is there a lesson to be learned from something like that? I don't think it's in our control. If I do something out of good intention, it's not up to me how it's going to be received. Yeah.

And if I want, and then I need to decide, do I want to lead my life by what I think, how I think people will respond to me, or do I just want to lead my life with how I feel and what I want to bring out, and it's just in me, you know. And I go for the latter, you know, I'm not, it's like a movie. You make a movie and you only hope for the best, but you don't know if it's going to work or not. You can only do your best.

So that's what I do. I do my best, and I hope for the best, and sometimes it works. And sometimes it doesn't. But again, we don't need to belabor on that point. But like to go into something like that where you like, it's such a pure intention and then to see in real time like on your feet. To be honest, the imagined thing, I think two things. I think that as far as the imagine goes, it was just I was living the news in Israel.

Right. Even though I'm living in America, I was watching the news. And Israel was like a few months ahead with COVID to America. So if it was to be released only in Israel, the timing would have been perfect. But remember at the beginning, we talked about doing the right thing at the right timing. I think it was doing the right thing, but absolutely not in the right timing. People were like, what is she? So I understand.

And also, you know, if I put myself out there, then if you don't want to get burn, stay out of the kitchen. And I'm in the kitchen. It's okay. I got burned. Fair enough, fair enough. Coming up, you shot something with the crazy bad man that is Doug Lyman. That guy's quite a filmmaker. He's an interesting dude, I know, from experience.

How was that experience? What do you mean you know from experience? Well, I've interviewed, I've known Doug for like 20 years. I did a book. I love Doug. Yeah, he's a very smart guy, obviously. And this, I mean, a lot of people are a little scared because they've heard that AI is involved in this. Can you, can you make me feel a little more comfortable that this is, I don't know,

what is the AI component of this Bitcoin? film that you did. I'll tell you, this was the longest contract I've ever worked on. I think it was six months for my lawyers to go through any scenario we could think about as far as the AI component of it. Yeah. Because I absolutely did not want the AI to have anything to do with my performance. Yeah. And so we had to protect that. By the way, to an extent, that SAG had called my lawyers to ask for pointers to update the SAG contract to protect other actors, blah, blah, blah, knowing what we've been through.

Got it. So as far as the performances, for me, you know, it's all me. What they did there, and again, I'm afraid of AI, but am I gonna be afraid and look away? No, I'm afraid and I'm playing with it, and I'm learning it, and I'm trying to educate myself with it. Because I think that the train had left the station. You know, it's one of those things.

It's either you're going to work with it or, yeah, to ignore it. Or be out of the game completely. Yeah. So I'm trying to make the best of it and protect whatever I can protect. But the AI component in this movie was for sets and for the lighting. We still had a very broad crew and a lot of people were working on this film and essentially the experience that I had was as if we were doing theater. Right.

Because... ...it down, it's a little bit, yeah. Everything was stripped down and all that was left was the performance. So it felt like a pure art, you know... form of you know creating a movie. I haven't seen a single shot, you know, finished shot yet. But I do know that as an actress I wait so much and there's like the legendary, I don't remember who said that, that you're being paid to wait. Yeah, exactly.

As an actor, here we would film nonstop because we didn't have to wait for lighting. We would film on and on and on and on for 10 hours. So that was amazing. You know, as actors, you're always hot. You know, you work, you don't cool off. But we'll see. It's crazy. Fascinating.

It's a crazy film, just like Bitcoin. And I think that the whole idea was to keep it crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm very curious to see how it all came about, comes about, come about. So we end every happy second piece. this is your first time on the podcast where there are profoundly random questions. You're ready for these? Yes.

Okay. I think so. I hope. You'll be fine. Dogs or cats? Dogs or cats? Cats. But I have two dogs.

You're a contradiction. You're walking. I love the dogs. I have a lot of love for both, but I grew up with cats. I love cats. Okay. What do you collect, if anything? Sunglasses.

Okay. Do you have a favorite video game of all time? Super Mario. It's like favorite, but only the only one I ever played. By default, it wins. I don't have a lot of options. Dakota Johnson once asked me this, I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt? I think in my butt. Yeah, that's the prevailing wisdom. I think that's the way to go. Yeah.

Okay, that's a good one. What's the wallpaper on your phone? My four daughters. Last actor you were mistaken for. What is it? The last actor you were mistaken for. Does it ever happen? Someone says, oh, you're that this person?

No, I assume the best of everybody. No, I'm saying someone that thinks that you're another different actor. Is it Phoebe Waller Bridge? Exactly that. Natalie Portman, Kaira Knightley. And do a Lipa. That's what I get. Sure.

What's the worst noted director has ever given you? The worst? Do you want me to give you another Phoebe Bridges and that type of thing? When Zach Snyder told me, just, I was doing a fighting and he said, just do it just like that, but nice and easy. And I was like, nice and easy. It doesn't. Listen, whenever these things happen to me. I tell people, I want to see you speak Hebrew for a second.

And let's, let me ask you fast questions. I'm a little slower when it comes to American culture. You're doing great. Finally, in the spirit of Happy, Sack, and Fused, who's an actor who always makes you happy. You see them on screen, you're in a better mood. Chris Pine. The best.

Movie that makes you sad. Oh. It's like I'm, I'm ashamed to say, okay, between the Schindler's list and the notebook. Yeah, I mean, two ends of the spectrum, but they're both, they both do it. I get it. These are two valid answers. You're being honest, dear.

I totally get it. You know what, the beautiful life, that one. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, bad. Great answers, okay. And finally, what's a food that makes you confused? See it on the menu. What are there?

I'm not confused with food. I'm very straightforward. You need anything? There's nothing on the no-go list? Like the sweet snacks that are supposed to be salty, but they're sweet, like these type of things. That's acceptable. But confused is a big word.

It is. Questioning the very premise. Wow. I've got a long list. It's less confusion than just like adject, you know, a revulsion. Like what? Mushrooms. I've got a list.

Wow. You're problematic with food. Huh? You're like. Are we going to end it this way, Go? We had some time. Really? No, no, no, no.

Okay, ask me one more. No, no, we're done. We're good. We're good. I appreciate you. I'm sorry this wasn't in person. Congratulations on the film. Everybody, check out The Runner.

It's on Prime Video. Um, God, thank you. It took a while, but we made it happen and hopefully we'll do it again. It was, you know what it was? It was nice and easy. Zach Snyder would say. Thank you so much, Josh.

Have a good one. Appreciate you. Good to see you. Bye, Maddie. And so, And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person.

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