Happy Sad Confused - Jamie Dornan, Vol. II

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. We've talked once or twice about 50 shades. Yeah. Do the films? Do they bleed into one for you now? Like, can you differentiate one from the other?

They sort of do. Uh, I think I was them all like by myself in a theater with like a security guard. This is a really incredibly awkward scenario to find yourself in. Yeah, to watch yourself having sex. So much sex. Well, yeah. Yeah. Just turn to him and be like, what do you think?

How am I doing? Yeah. Yeah. Believable? Passable? What do you think? Good technique? Prepare your ears, humans.

Happy. Sadd Confused begins now. I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy Sad Confused, we have a returning champion. He sings, he dances, he views shirts as clothing optional. He's the star of the tourist. My genetic twin, Jamie Dornan. That's very well said.

And mostly true. 40% true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good to see you, buddy. It's been years and years since we've actually been sharing space, physical space. Yeah, I agree. it feels like I've seen you on my, like, screen a lot.

Same. And it now feels good to be this physically close to you. I have legs. You do have feet. You still get your feet. Yeah. That's good. Diabetes hasn't taken in.

That's good. The gout or whatever would take them from you. I don't know. We're just a bad run in on the street. Yeah, exactly. Just, yeah. We're starting on a horrible note. Congratulations on the new season of the Taurus.

We're going to talk about that. A great many things. First, a belated thank you. You contributed a delicious. potato recipe to our happy second fuse holiday special. I mean, did that even air? I mean, oh, it aired. It aired. It aired. It, um, we ran it during our conversation with Claire Foy and Andrew Scott. And I remember we did it during a live event. Jamie contributed this, this, this, about a five minute recipe. It was a long, it was too long. It was about four minutes too long,

I'd say. I do. No, no, it was great. I loved it because we ran it during this live event. And frankly, we needed a breather. And afterwards, like, Claire was like, that was, That was really thorough. Translated as he needs help. No. Shut him up. You had the hat. It was great.

Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. I feel like Andrew Scott has probably been a beneficiary of my roast potatoes at some point over the years. Really? Yeah, I'd say he would have sampled one.

Wow. Just one. You got one. Andrew, you've had your share. And I passed a bowl along the table. So we are chatting in my home state, New York. We were just talking about, you've had a minute to kind of like actually enjoy the surroundings. What are you what is your New York history? Did you ever spend much time here

like in the lean years? Yeah, I did in the lean years. Yeah, because when I was modeling, I was here a lot. So my 20s, I was here a lot. Um, I loved it. I, I, I still sort of see New York as this kind of place of sort of misbehavior in a way because like in my 20s, I just sort of like, you know, mocked around and right, came in and out of bars and, you know, had fun. And I, I, I, I, I was never that busy here in a way, like I'd hear a lot, but you know, I'd do a shoot for like a day or two and then just, I'd always make a trip out of it. I'd stay in New York longer just to like see friends

and have a good time. So I still feel a little bit like that, but this time my wife was with me and we were probably more growing up and better behaved than my previous history in New York. Yeah. It was really fun. I love it here.

I love the food here. The best. But we're, I'm such a tourist. We literally went to like Katz's Deli the other day. Did you really? Took ages. to like, you know, queued up and got... You didn't say, I'm Jamie Damn Dornan?

I didn't know. Have you ever done that? Have you ever pulled the Jamie Dornan card to get into a restaurant? Dude, I'm Irish. We can't show that much confidence. That's totally against us of people. For like the 4% chance that they're like, yeah, cool. Yeah, it's not worth it.

No, we clocked you. We know who you are. We have no interest, join the back of the line. Yeah, I think, you know, something like that. I actually think that's kind of all the part of the experience is somewhere like cats to go and do that and like being, line and it's all sort of really chaotic and a bit scary and you feel like you're in the wrong line you're holding the wrong thing you sort of have a panic attack when you get up there about

saying the wrong thing yeah it's a bit of a stressful it's a bit of a schlep but actually like well worth it the food's amazing amazing had a big messy pastrami rubin on rye and like yeah it's a good time in there I like it cream soda like just all the bad stuff yeah it was good um so when back in those the modeling days and I would imagine also auditioning here in New York for trying to get the acting career going. Now, were you going up for TV? Like, were you on ordering? Were you trying to, like, getting to plays or musicals?

What was happening? I never, I actually never in my life auditioned for, like, one of those procedural things. My New York experience of auditioning would have been exclusively musical, I think, probably. I actually, I don't know. I actually succeeded in getting a job. here once and then they basically they didn't they couldn't organize my green card in time and I needed a green card it was to do a workshop for a Broadway musical and it was Hamilton you can say what it was now yeah it was I mean literally nearly 20 years ago

and I'm like ooh can I say it did it succeed was this something that ended up succeeding I think it closed after like two weeks or something or maybe even didn't even make it brought it was women on the verge of a nervous breakdown that Petrol Motivar film. It was a musical... There was a major actress in that, too. I feel like I was going to start. He ended up in it.

It was a guy, Bart... Bart... Burtcher. Sure, yeah, that director... Well, is that an idea? Yeah, exactly. Burt. Oh, Lancaster.

But that must have been a big moment to get it and then crushing to be like, wait, they can't figure this out. Yeah, I remember really clearly. I was over... I just got a new manager. the time and he thought I could sing better than I can sing and was like let's put you up for some like musical theatre stuff and was my first ever musical theatre audition and I did not know that

that was a different process to any other thing so I remember waiting in the room like up at like the Lincoln Center with like proper sure musical theater actors you know and they're all they do these blah blah blah blah blah blah warmups and I was sort of waiting outside the room and they're said like your neck's on deck. Can we have your sheet music? I was like, what? It's your music that you're going to.

And I'd sort of been told to prepare a song, but not much more than that. But as it turned out, you're meant to have prepared a sort of slow tempo song and a fast tempo song. Now, I didn't, I only had done a slow tempo. I'd just done a song.

It happened to be slow tempo. But I didn't have the music for it, for the pianist or anything. So I said, oh God, I'm so sorry. This is my first ever musical audition, you can tell. And they said, well, what is the song? And it was, smile, you know, smile, though your heart is breaking.

That's the song I sang, which Charlie Chaplin wrote, by the way, if anybody doesn't know that, which is a really interesting thing. He wrote the lyrics. Anyway, so I went in, and the pianist is obviously a very established pianist. I went in, there was almostly 16 people at, like, Last Supperesque, massive table. I was judging you, silently. Yeah, and I stood by this pianist, and he played that, and I sang that. And then they said, and we really, we've heard you don't have an uptempo song.

I said, no, I had no idea. Said, what could you do like on the spot? I was like, I think I suggested a Van Morrison song, which like nobody was doing, but I was the most like comically Northern Irish thing in the world. And then the pianist was like, oh, I know like brown eyed girl. And I was like, I don't really want to say, okay. And then I sang Brian and I go. Anyway, then I did, then I had to do the acting part.

And by this point, I'm quite relaxed because I'm like, it couldn't be going worse. like i've just totally i mean you know i probably sang okay and i did this and i had to do a spanish accent and all i remember was i had a line where i was like i had to say i forgot the olives and i remember going like i forgot the olives it was like terrible terrible anyway they didn't call me and say they want to see me again i saw them again next day and then they said like they really want you for this and and uh we're going to try to fast track your green card um it was And it was really exciting and terrifying. And I remember I was in having a bath when they called.

And then the first person I called was Eddie Redmayne, who was in New York at the time too. And I called him and said, he was my only friend who had a bit of experience in that world. By then, not music or theater, so much then, but like just my only friend who was doing plays at any kind of level at that point, I think. Anyway, they couldn't get the green card. And it's a really long way. to glean from that story you thought it was a tragedy you thought you thought you fucked it up

yes you got it so there's like no rhyme or reason to anything yeah and it was a and i've never had a sniff at a musical since if you know what i mean it was just a weird capsulized moment in time of like well i sort of got offered this and imagine that road on broadway and then never went near it again and that had happened imagine the different path i know i could have been like jonathan gruff yes exactly like an older irish version of jonathan groth the um i was going to say because you know what a fan of barbans star I am. So after Eggers' prayer, that hasn't led to other musical offers? Nope. What does that tell you? No, it hasn't. Look, I've, I've sang in a few things.

I sang in Bethas of saying, I've sang here and there. But I know, no comedy offers or musical offers, so I don't know what that says. But that just says the movie was not seen by enough people, frankly. Well, I agree with that. Tina wasn't. That was a terrible, unfortunate COVID of it all. I think the release of that film, because you and many people, love it. It does have a huge cult following. And I do think there's a genuine want for more of them. But, you know, those things have to stack up in lots of different ways and it needed to probably have made more money and all that's your stuff and have a proper theatrical release, which we didn't get. Anyway, maybe that could come to the stage. Any sniffing around Broadway for a Barb and Star

musical? That's a great idea, Joe. I mean, that's a great idea. I think I'm talking to Kristen soon, so I don't think my voice could take that song every. It's so hard to say that song. It's way beyond my register and I don't think I can do it night after night. Maybe I wouldn't. Maybe I'd just produce it and make a lot of money. No, we want you. Are you going to see, have you seen your buddy, you already named Check Daddy. We get it. Your friends, Eddie Redmayne. Just drop a little on the floor here, guys, and clean them up later. He's coming back to Broadway for a cabaret. He's here. He's here. He came like four days ago. I'm seeing him today. We're going to go and have a cup of tea. He's very well behaved when he's doing rehearsals. You know, he's, so yeah, he's here. I can't

I'll come back when that's on, hopefully, and I can see Cabaret again. So, okay, so some of your friendships and relationships that we've talked about over the years, there is like the, the Eddie Redmayne's, the Andrew Garfields. I want to talk about Killian, too, because I've spent a lot of time with him recently. Yes, per guy. It's not going well for him. No. I'm having a tough time.

So, like, to connect it to the tourist, you're dying in a ditch. Who do you text first from that group? Who's going to actually bail you out? Is it going to be Andrew Garfield? It's going to be Eddie Redmayne. Is it going to be Killian Murphy? Who has the chops? Who is the know-how?

It's not Garfield. I'll tell you why it's not Garfield. I reminded of this last week. We had lunch and I said, I'm going to get like an MRI on my back next week. And it's just a fiddly little thing that's going on. And I feel like it's always been like that since I, I shattered my shoulder like 14 years ago next week,

a week after I met my wife skiing. And I was with Andrew when I was skiing. And I had a really, really terrible accident. And I got helicoptered off the side of a mountain. and Andrew filmed the whole thing. Remember flip? Do you remember those flip cameras? That was like the whole thing.

So you went right into action by saying, hold on. Yeah, honestly, I'm like, you know, finally I hit this other skier, came out of a ski, his shoulder discusated, my shoulders literally sat there, my nose was all bloody,

tumble, tumble, dumbled on the mountain. And I think it's okay, Spider-Man's here, it's going to be okay. And then suddenly he's like up in my face, like TMZ. How do you feel? I was like, what?

So he has some footage of me sort of getting put into a helicopter and getting flown off to hospital in like Switzerland. That's a rainy day. So he's not getting a call. He's not getting a call. No. Eddie's pretty good. Eddie seems like a responsible man.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Eddie had a, you know, situation where someone had been scammed and, uh, no, Eddie. Eddie, Eddie got scammed and his email. and we all got email saying, look, guys, I'm up against it here. I need some cash.

Yeah. And did anybody respond to anybody? Yeah. Warren Biddy was like, what can I do? Stop that. Yeah. I mean,

Warren Biddy respond. Like, I think I'm okay to tell this. So is this a group email? Yeah, like sent to all of his contacts. I don't think we were all on there together. I see.

I wasn't like, yeah, Warren, you go. You go first. I'll follow. No, but like, we all just got individual emails. saying, guys, I need you to wire me some cash. And fair credit, Warren BD was like,

whatever you need, you know. In a pinch, this is good to know. I know. What a legend. Amazing. Anyway, just before he read out the wrong name at the Academy Awards. It's all connected problem. Yeah, yeah, it's all sort of makes sense. But yeah, no, so maybe Eddie's very, Killian, Killian's not a great phone guy. He probably wouldn't answer my call. So I do want to connect it because I saw you moderated an Oppenheimer Q&A. I watched it and I saw it like you you have a very unique relationship with Killian like on this planet I would say yeah because like I get along very well with Killian and like he's very sweet with me but like you you get to him there's something you have this ability you worked with him on a film yeah how quickly did you key into like oh I've got his number like what what do you have on killing Murphy that the rest of us don't we're from the same place you know we're from different ends of a of a small island but you know it there is a a connection there just from the basis of being uh from the island of Ireland let's say and I just you know we are trade and stock is stock and trade whatever way

you say we say in Ireland we say trade and stock is is like taking the Mickey out of each other and that's our thing so with everyone from from there so yeah I remember the first time I met him we went and had pizza when when I knew we were doing this anthropoid together and um we just hit straight away I was like this guy's going to be a good friend for life and I was a huge admirer of his work and I just love him I'm so glad that he's getting all this praise and he's you know no better man you know he's been exceptional for a long time no I do feel like when I did a cue at May with him the other night something I said very similar to what you're saying is like this has given us all the excuse those of us that have known and loved his work for the last 20 years

like we can all like openly say again once and for all this is one of the best in our generation, like, to see them acknowledge. And I know, obviously, you're your friends with Emily as well to see that group. That was a fun Q&A. Yeah. And I had never met Florence Pugh, so we'd had a little dinner before, and she's a good time. So it was just, it was, it was fun up there. Can you leave something for me?

You do everything else. This is the one thing I do that you don't do. I don't think I'll be asked back. I don't know. It was a bit chaotic that, you know, everyone had had one or two martinis, and it was a bit, it was a bit sloppy up there. who is okay so killian has kind of like hitched his wagon to the best mr christopher nolan yeah if you could do that with a filmmaker is there like you could be the muse of any filmmaker and just ride out the next 10 years with them

i mean nolan's a pretty a pretty good person to be aligned with isn't he ever met richard lute later that's a good you know there's a lot of you know paul maskell's done that now isn't he's he's yeah he's like the next he's in the next like Ethan hawk yeah yeah whatever that is so that's pretty cool you know i mean look I did back-to-back Kenneth Branagh movies so I'm pretty happy to be aligned with him you know

and I love him and you know he hasn't directed another movie since because he's been doing this King Lear and he's bringing that to Broadway and everything so I didn't even realize

is he starring it or directing it? Starring in it holy crap yeah he did it in West End already I wasn't able to get to see it but I'm yeah so you know I'm I think any repeat director

is a good thing like if someone liked you enough to want to go again it's a good thing but killian's i mean that's a long relationship he's had with chris nolan and and it's like it all paid off to you know finally get the lead in one of these pictures during the Volvo fall experience event discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures and see for See for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September, Lisa 2026 XE90 plug-in hybrid from $599 bi-weekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience Event.

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kind of had this phenomenal release back home. Yes. And it's kind of been like the second wave here in the States now. Yeah. So it's now on Netflix by the time people watch this. It's on Netflix the first, the two seasons are on Netflix. I binge them both.

They're great. It's a fun. It's a mad, right? A mad show. Yeah. It's hard to, like, compare it to something. I mean, this is like high praise, but it kind of does feel like you're like,

and tell me, like it's almost like going for that like Cohen brothers, modern McDonoughy. vibe. Yeah, I think they're fair comparisons. Yeah, I do. Jack and Harry Williams, she created it, have an offbeat sense of life. And that is all over everything they've either written or produced. You know, they, they, they, they, it's all a little bit off kilter. Yeah, and in a really fun way. Um, yeah, and it's been a lovely thing because Netflix have, you know, like they have done with lots of things. They've given it this whole other life. that it didn't have, right, right, or manifest or one of those shows that like, you know, everyone's like, this is great. Yeah. And, you know, without speaking out of turn, it feels like it's fine. It's right home in the States now. Um, because yeah, it was, I mean, it was, Jesus, it was a big show in the UK. It was. It was, it was the most watched show, uh, drama. So that's, uh, and then it was felt like, it's kind of unfair that it didn't get that hype in the States. So, you know, it's had a really strong start on that on Netflix.

So it's cool. It's breathed new life into the show. And to tease folks a little bit about what they're going to get here, this is a character, at least at the outset of the first season, that's suffering from amnesia. We don't know his past. Is that enjoyable for you? Like this is like, oh, less work.

I don't actually have to know any backstory. It does sound like it is less work. And I kind of, in many in terms of sort of time put in, it maybe does come out as less work. but actually it was just different work. It was such a weird thing of like totally different process to what you're usually doing is trying to obviously, if it's not on the page, you're trying to create a backstory and insert all of this knowledge into the character.

So then you can hopefully just shake it off and drop it and be in the moment when it comes to it. But this was all about only like not clouding yourself of any pre-history or any idea of self. Yeah, it's like pure. truly living in the moment, every single fiber of your being is new to you. Every bit of information is totally new information. It was a really strange exercise trying to stay in that present moment all time, which you're doing a variation of, of course, for every job, but this was like really staying there. It was really heightened.

I loved it. I loved it. And then by the second series, he's found out a little bit more about himself and that some pieces have been put together. So it's not quite so much stuff, but the first series is literally like everything's like, Huh? What? Yeah. What? Me? What? Do you know me? What? Like, oh, man, he sort of levels out a little bit in the second season. So, and again, the first season took you all the way over to Australia. You spent a lot of time there, which, like, I'm sure it was quite the adventure.

And then this time around, you're closer to home. Yes. Yeah, yeah. There was a whole thing of like, are we going again? Because of the response in the UK, we sort of, we were, we were going again. you know usually things have to be big in America to go but it felt like it was so big in the UK like we were going to make more of it and there was a bit of a conversation of like going back out to Australia

for five months and putting my kids back in school yeah with the kids huge it was a big it was a big undertaking to do when we did it in 2021 and weren't ready to do it again in 2023 if I'm really honest so I was like look let's see if we can do it closer to home

and there was a there was a there was a world where storywise it made sense to be in Ireland. So my character was Irish. So he was looking for answers. So he could go home and find the answer. So it was a win for everybody. To meet dear old mom. What a, what a character. Yeah. She's amazing. So one of our devoted listeners of Happy Second Feas, Linda, wanted to know what the most challenging aspect of filming season one versus season two was. What jumps out when you think about these distinct seasons? I think, you know, like, the actual physical landscape of where we were was a big test. In season one, we had the heat, we had flies, like crazy flies that were being consumed in our mouths, up our noses, in our ears.

It was a rough ride. Every member of crew is wearing those fly net things, you know, tucked in like they're not a bother. and whoever the actors are just totally out there exposed getting, you know, it was crazy so I think that was a big challenge of season one, season two I mean the first fucking couple of weeks

I do so much running I'm like honestly running and rolling up this one in this season in particular I was struck as I'm watching I'm like it was a lot of running a lot of fighting yeah a lot of car crashes yeah it was a lot of activity

like can I be in bed next season no it was honestly it was because in the first series I did spend a lot of time in hospital bed it was like it was great but no I was really they were making me work I loved it

like it was great and we sounds sort of paradoxial but there was a heat wave in Ireland in those early weeks so I really was like very hot I mean not hot for like

here in August or L.A. anytime but like it was warm and I'm running around in the hills and it was it was it was it was a challenge like it genuinely was I'm sure, but I did love it.

The, and yeah, this one has so many twists and turns. I mean, at a certain point, you're like, wait a second, am I watching the tourist or am I in a saw movie? Like, where, yeah, yeah, there was. What is happening? Well, they're constantly playing with multi-genres, I'd say. That's why it's really hard to say what the show is, you know, and just when you're starting to feel comfortable that you have understood what it is or the tone of it, it becomes something.

something totally different. It's funny you say that because like I was watching with my wife. And to be honest, at first, she was like, I'm not sure I understand what this show is. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're allowed to laugh. Like this is, yeah, yeah, yeah. And once she keyed into that, she's like, oh, like, yeah, yeah, changed kind of her perception of it. And then she's loved it ever since. Yeah.

And there's that, yeah, there does seem like a lot of impromptu laughs, a lot of like, oh, what? Yeah. Because they come hot in the heels or some really like dark stuff. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I, as soon as you, like, sort of. tune into it maybe on the tone it'll be an easier pass I think so we mentioned kind of like the choice the lifestyle choices of an actor and how that influences decisions I mean the kids are at like you know

very specific kind of ages right now so I would imagine like how much do the kids dictate your choices right now based on the actual circumstances and also the material like are you making you haven't made a lot of movies frankly that necessarily feel like for the kids for that's true that's true no it's either like heavy sort of true war dramas or like films about sex or you know there's it's it's it's true they could probably watch belfast that's soon enough although there is a conflict element to that of course but um it's also you know part of the history of where i'm from and where they're sort of half from or whatever so it's important you know i want them to see that um yeah uh it's Like, do they want you to do a certain kind of thing?

Are they like, dad, just be in a minions movie? Dad, what the Taylor Swift? Yeah, yeah, definitely both of those. Yeah, they, I mean, look, I was in the second trolls movie. Right. I did ask Donna Langley to be in that straight up, just said to her, uh, my kids are obsessed with the first one. I know you're making a second one and you, you know that you have to put me in it.

And I'll do anything in it. So I did a small thing and that was a nice surprise. prize for them and um yeah look it's been you know i've been lucky because the tourists i've also just had the longest time off of my life i wanted to take time off after the tourist yeah and then the strike happened literally as i made that decision so it sort of enforced it and it was kind of great and i have i i am about to start something uh very soon that's long it's quite a long job and that i'm not allowed to talk about but it's exciting and i i've had all that time off and it has been amazing and the tourist was in Dublin

so I'm flying home every weekend for holidays there coming to Ireland so it was all quite easy and before that I did back to back movies in London so it's been good recently I feel like I've been around a lot the next two things I have that are pretty definitely happening

are Europe and UK so but you never know you just have to take it case around you know and be like right everything every script I read everything like how can I make this work for my family

yeah and there'll be the odd thing where well it'll be unsettling and you know if whoever calls and wants me in you know Guatemala then we're off we'll go on an adventure and we're ready for that but as a kids get older it's harder to do that right and it's like the exams that they have at school are starting to have more stakes and it's a bit like so at the moment we're very much like trying to keep me in and around the UK and Europe at least you know I have to say last year and a half and what's ahead of me schedule-wise is looking good for that yeah but you don't have total then chris no one calls and says i need you i know yeah we're going to phoge for you know 18 months exactly well that's what matt damon said that damon was like basically i was like out of the game and then

he called me really okay something out of the game chris nolan would be like we need killy needs a stand in yeah exactly you're not our first choice but everyone i said no i mean it's not bad to be the second choice after kill you will yeah yeah so We've talked about, you know, I remember one of our past conversations, we talked about the superhero thing and you talked about your Superman audition way back when. I'm just curious, like, I don't know if I've ever gauged, like, your interests growing up in, like, genre. Like, did you, like, did you have a thing? Like, were you, are you, you know, as this aged man that sits before me today, still into anything like Star Wars or comics or car racing movies? I don't know.

What was your thing besides enjoying sport? Honestly, I was just so sporty that I was like. I, you know, I, I was a movie fan as much as any sort of young kids like me. You're like, hey, nerd, hey, Star Wars, dork. You're doing your comic? No. Hitting it up into your face and stuff. I wasn't like some, you know, dickhead jock.

Hopefully, it wasn't, I don't know, write in until, if I was, leave your comment below. I feel like, no, I feel like I was lots of things as a kid. you know I was very into rugby and all these other sports and stuff but I was also did drama and was like I had this sort of showy side to me and as a result I feel like I came out pretty level about lots of different things but I just wasn't that and you know our our oldest two kids watched Back to the Future the first one for the first time a week ago I was really into those movies I was really into Indiana Jones like that's where I was I felt like we're always on this hunt for this elusive, like,

trying to get his hat and jacket wherever we were. I was like, let's see if I can find, like, the Indiana Jones hat. But now you can go to, like, Disneyland. You can buy, like, a replica that's kind of identical. Yeah. But back then, you couldn't. I'd be, like, wearing straw hats, like, anything. There's these terrible pictures of me wearing sort of, like, PVC, like, terrible, shiny.

At what age are we doing? It's, like, nine and ten. And I've got some old, like, brown. that was like my whip. I've got to find some of these. Raised in a cave. Where were you? These were lean times,

you know, camping in like France and stuff back in the day. But yeah, Indiana Jones was probably the thing I was most sort of obsessed with and then probably anything with Michael J. Fox

for, you know, Teen Wolf and everything for a long time. But I wasn't, the only comic I ever bought was Ghost Rider. Oh yeah. Yeah.

And I used to buy those not like week in, week out, but I'd buy a lot of those. I had a good stock of Ghostwriters. Are you trying to get a job right now here right now? Because Ryan Gosling has told me he wants to play Ghostwriters. So you're up against Gosling.

Can you take him out? I don't know. He's sort of taller than I. No, no. You're not the physical thing. You need to be the guy that says, yeah. I don't know again. It's an Irish saying I'm not taking Gosling out.

He'd be amazing. Wouldn't it? Cage did it, didn't he? He did. With Ryan's wife with Ava Mendez. So that could be a whole philosophical moment. Yeah, I don't like, yeah. That is a third of vengeance fan here to know that.

Yeah. I will say, Edgar's Prayer, I feel like, walked or ran so that I'm just Ken could run. I like that take, you know, I want to hear Greta's take on that, you know, I want to hear did she watch Barb and Star? she is a you know a client at the same agency with me you know I'm sure they got a screener to her you know I don't know um yeah listen I mean it grows a total sort of hymbo like I don't think I'd ever heard the term hymbo until some of the stuff came out about my performance in Barbard Starr so yeah I think there was some crossover there maybe

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which is why I'm thinking about it, is the fall with Jillian Anderson. Yeah, sure. Did that, I mean, that was a sea change for you. Oh, big time. Big time. Did you have, because again, we've talked, I think, about imposter syndrome, which always comes up with every actor. So on the set of that, was there something different working with Jillian?

Like, what do you remember about working with her? in particular, what struck you about her on that set? Well, I got so little screen time with her in the first series. I did in the later series, but in the first one I didn't really, because it was very much like her trying to catch me and we were kept very separate. But I had a real, I had a real sense with that job that like, this is like nothing I've done before or even like gone up for or auditioned for or got close to before. and if people believe me in this it could really change things for me because it was such a dark

world and such a bad heinous broken person yeah that I was playing and I had only because maybe of modeling and whatever and stigma by casting director I had only was going up for like sort of fluffier boyfriend-y type roles yeah to be honest with you then Um, so suddenly someone had taken this big risk to put me front and center in a totally different capacity to how I had been seen before. And I will forever be grateful for that. And Gillian was a big part of that because Alan Cuba, who created the show, he very much wanted me. One of the producers did, two of the producers definitely didn't. Nina Gold, who cast it, I think, did. And so it's very like, balanced of like, do we want this guy or not? It's a bit of a risk. he's probably a little bit too young and everybody knows him and do we know he can act and actually Gillian really

I know this now from lots of different stories just you know this is 14 years ago 12 years ago sorry she really fought my corner which is huge I mean because she was of a stature she had a pedigree

and you had a different you know you didn't have that rest of the time no exactly and it needed her voice and she was a producer on it and everything it needed her to say no there's something in this guy So I'm forever thankful to her and how cool is her career I mean she just keeps doing like bigger and better stuff Jillian she could be like defined by like one thing and then just like coast forever and yeah it just kind of keeps no and she still just looks incredible she's looks better and better and she just has such poise and grace and it really does really interesting stuff and yeah I love her I keep in good contact with Julian I think she's I think she's brilliant so um we've talked once or twice about 50 shades yeah to the films Do they bleed into one for you now?

Like, can you differentiate one from the other? They sort of do. Yeah, I mean, I guess they do. Two and three would slip into the same kind of thing. Because we shot back to. Yeah, I'm a different director and everything. Yeah. You know.

If you had to summarize the films and take out all the sex in 30 seconds, what's the story of the 50 Shades trilogy? I don't remember. Did you ever see them? Did you watch? I watched the, yeah, yeah, I saw them all. Yeah, I actually had to for like press and stuff, you know, to, because you know, obviously they can always change stuff in the edit and I'm talking about stuff that's no longer in the movie anymore and stuff. So I was some all like, I think I watched them all like by myself in a theater with like a security guard. This is a really incredibly awkward scenario to find yourself in. Yeah. To watch yourself having sex. Simulating so much sex. Yeah. Yeah. Just turn to do and be like, what do you think? How am I doing? Yeah, believable, possible? What do you think? Good technique. yeah outside of that yeah you know you know boy meets girl boy meets girl um teaches her some stuff

you know end up happy yeah that's how you describe it to the kids what you yeah it's kind of like when harry man sally kind of vibes over three movies yeah totally how many times have you seen Madam Webb, Dakota's latest. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. I caught up with her recently. She's still the deadpan delight that just warms my soul. Yeah.

She's got a great way of like being in interviews and making everything really funky by like not saying anything. No, I beat off of it. We love her for it. She's brilliant. I haven't seen her in a while because I haven't been this. Yeah. Maybe seen her. once since

telly ride but just the strike of it all and I haven't made an idea since and I haven't really been here

but no I want to I want to see the film so you can't tell me what you're doing next but you're excited about it very excited about it TV film

O do do do do that means it's really good no listen I've got a couple of fun things coming up yeah that you know I think for the first time in a long time

I sort of I have quite good advanced knowledge of what I'm doing Like, I think I know what I'm doing for, I definitely know what I'm doing for the rest of this year. Yeah. And I pretty certain know what I'm doing for most of the next year, which is nice. All right.

So what's end with the happy second fuse profoundly random questions? Yes. Jamie, you're ready? Dogs or cats? Oh, dogs. I really don't like cats. I'm super allergic to cats. I'm allergic to most dogs too, but I have a dog and I'm obsessed with him and I love dogs.

What kind of dog do you have? I have a black lab. He is called Leonard. we he was called Seymour for 24 hours and then Leonard Cohen died in those 24 hours and I woke up to the news I'm a huge Leonard Cohen fan and I was like Leonard's a great name for a dog so yeah he's he's seven he's the same age as our well sorry he's seven he'll be eight in September but our middle one just turned eight or middle daughter just turned eight they are so they're like best friends yeah I can't confuse them all They all sleep in the same bed. Eat the same food. Yeah, just for like dry, dry food at them.

But she, Elva, our middle one is upset. They're like best friends and they're inseparable and she loves that they're the same age because she just turned eight

that's a few months now where they're not the same age which doesn't make her happy. Right. But he's unbelievable. I love dogs. Yeah, cats are just, I'm so allergic to cats.

It's a cloud to my judgment. It's a medical thing. Yeah, it is. I became a dog dead in the recent years. I become obsessed. I totally get it. Yeah. What do you collect?

I collect Gimpy Ball markers Like I'm a big golfer Oh sure There was little ball markers Every time I play a new golf club I buy a bowl marker

And so I have a big Pretty cool dude Yeah this guy Just when you thought this guy Couldn't get more cool Good thing he's off the market ladies Sorry It's the weirdest place

You've ever been recognized In yesterday, I went to a like a Turkish bathhouse On the lower east side Sure I'm going to say it wasn't fancy Sure But actually it was great And you get treated like a piece of meat

And somebody threw me on a slab And through like freezing water in my face And then rub me down with like salt and like whacked me with branches from some kind of unrecognizable tree and my wife and I were both there just getting thrown around this place and then I sort of came out and I was a bit bewildered like sat there and the guy said like I'm a big fan of your work I was like I feel like I've just been used and abused but I'll take the compliment did he specify no he maybe he thought I was someone else I loved you in Oppenheimer exactly I don't know what's the

Not if there's anything annoying about you, but what's the most annoying thing? If I asked your partner, your kids, what's the most annoying thing about Jamie Doran? I'm not great at switching off. You know, I'm often quite hyper. I'm not good at my wife is an only child and is really good with like silence and peace. Yeah. And I'm really bad at giving her that. And actually, and now and again, like we went for a big walk in Central Park the other day yesterday.

And I was, uh, sometimes I'm aware. particularly if we haven't we wanted to go to the space for breakfast so we hadn't eaten anything yet hadn't had a coffee and i felt like i could tell that she just wanted that sort of quiet walk through central park just taking it all in we'll get somewhere where we'll have be caffeinated soon and it's all going to be fine and i could tell she and i was really i was i had to work really hard so just like quieting you like you want to talk you want i want to sing and i want to like i want to talk about i'm so i become such an old man like i want to i want to i want to be like be like talk about every single building.

I'm like, that's interesting. You think that it was maybe a church before? I don't know. Like the cornucing of the, kind of maybe tell you that. Like, I'm like, you know, yeah, we brought that up recently,

and I'm really bad about that in the car of like wanting to comment on everything. And Millie just wants to listen to music or just be quiet. You know, when the kids are there, they're creating their own havoc. But, yeah, her and,

you like to fill the face. Felicity Blunt, who's Emily sister, who's married to Stanley Choochard, like very, very, very, very good friends for us. She says, Stanley has the same thing. And she actually wants us, Stanley and I to go on a road trip together so that we can just

talk to each other. Because we're both, like, in the car going, ooh, that's interesting. I wonder, ooh, I don't, like, what do you think that is? What, what can we? Shut on! Just like pass a building or a car

or something that you don't need to comment on. Inside voice. So I have to really restrain myself from just talking and singing and just, yeah. Singing on the street? Just walking and sing. Oh, well, I had a good one.

Yesterday, we were on the subway yesterday. And when the subway goes past, it's so loud that you can really belt out. It's like sprinting. Like often I still, I play a bit of five-aside soccer Tuesday nights back in London. And nowadays, people go for a run, for jog, whatever. You don't sprint that much anymore. But I still get to a little bit. And it always feels like, oh, yeah, I remember this, you know.

And I feel like you don't get to Philly unless you are a Broadway musical star, or sing or whatever, you don't get to sing really loudly anymore that once. So I take the opportunity as a subway passes yesterday. I was like, we went to see merrily. We roll along the other night. The subway went past. It was so loud. And I was like, merrily.

I was like, really went for it. And I was like, to my wife, I was like, the train went past. And I was like, isn't that great? Like, you can just do that. Like, no one hears you. And she was like, I can hear you. It's like, everyone here is staring at you. No, it was a quiet.

It was a quiet. form we sort of had it to ourselves but oh my god all right uh wrapping up i promise uh worst note a director has ever given you anything jump out um it's when you have many times i actually don't hate it but sometimes it feels a bit lazy but maybe sometimes it's just to do it faster yeah like sometimes that particularly in tv yeah the guys it's literally a time thing it's like we are running we've got to do a faster take um yeah the i worked with uh director once who would remain nameless but my co-star had worked with him before and she was like like the only note he gives is to go faster and i was like that couldn't be true and anyway i did like you know seven

weeks with him or something and all he ever said was to go faster yeah i was like oh wow it really does yeah that is his only note um in the spirit of happy second fuse an actor that makes you happy Killian Murphy Of course Good time Killian A movie that makes you sad Philadelphia

Can't That's a heartbreaker for me every time I must have seen that movie 70 times Great one great one Food that makes you confused Confused I don't get it

You see it on the menu Why do people eat this Flat bread Flat bread As a meal I feel like if it's out on the table for snacks and stuff, sure, like as a snack when people have it like as a main course

and they just have flat bread and then it's hidden underneath a load of sort of gunk on top, I find that quite strange. Yeah, I find it annoying when it's like flat bread topped with cheese and tomato. You're like, oh, that's called pizza. Yeah, right, exactly. Let's call it what it is.

Yeah, yeah. Buddy, it's always good to see you. It's even better to see you in the flesh. Congratulations on the tourists. I'm happy that the US audiences are now getting a chance to enjoy this wild ride. Check it out. Two seasons. They're, look, they're very bingeable in the best possible way. Enjoy the work of Mr. Jamie Dornan. Thanks for coming, man.

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