Happy Sad Confused - Jennifer Lawrence

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Jennifer Lawrence exploded onto the scene 15 years ago with an Oscar nomination for WINTER'S BONE. An Oscar win for SILVER'S LINING PLAYBOOK and an iconic role in THE HUNGER GAMES soon came after and there's been no looking back since. She joins Josh to reflect on it all and talk about her acclaimed new film DIE MY LOVE, now available on MUBI. Recorded at the 92nd Street Y. Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Can't believe you just said that because that is something that I've had to get over for years. I think acting is very embarrassing and that's why I don't like rehearse and stuff because I'm afraid the camera guys are gonna be like, Who, nerd? Can you believe that? Yeah. And now you just put it back in my- This is like when a friend visited me one time and she was like, I like finished doing a take and she was like,

how do you know what to do with your hands? Right. And I was like, fuck on. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the show, a first-time guest,

the great Jennifer Lawrence talking all things from Hunger Games all the way up to her latest film Die My Love. This is a special, special episode. Thanks, guys, as always, for tuning in, for listening or watching. However, you're enjoying the podcast, I appreciate all of you. I'm so thrilled this episode happened at long last. Jennifer Lawrence has been on the list for a long while to do the pod.

Having been at MTV for many, many years when the Hunger Games came around and X-Men, I certainly spent a lot of time interviewing Jennifer Lawrence over the years, but we never had this kind of deep-dive conversation. She is one-of-a-kind as an actor, but also just as a person to talk to. if you've seen her on talk shows, et cetera, you know how lively and fun and spontaneous and irreverent she can be. And she has all of those things in this conversation. I couldn't be more pleased with it. I know you guys are going to dig it. Her new film, I should say, an extraordinary piece of work. This comes from the great director, Lynn Ramsey. It is Jennifer. It is Robert

Pattinson. This is the portrait of a couple coming undone in the wake of having a child. It is It features remarkable performances, but truly led by Jennifer at the forefront as a woman really just coming undone, falling apart. And she gives everything of herself as a performer, and it is all up there on the screen. And it really is one of her best performances, and that's saying a lot for a four-time Oscar nominee. So check out Die My Love. It's on Mooby right now. So if you have a movie, check it out. If you don't have a movie, get Mooby, and then watch this film because it's fantastic.

And Lynn Ramsey, if you don't know her as a filmmaker, look her up. Her filmography is impeccable, and she always delivers, and she does with this one. Other things to say, not much, except that this was recorded in 9 Second Street, Why. This was a live event. This was a fun audience. And it was just a really special night, and I'm so, so happy it came together. As always, if you want to get in on all the action of Happy Say I Confused early access, all that kind of fun stuff, Patreon.com slash happy say Iconvuse is where it's at. You get discount codes for events like this one.

You get bonus materials, get merch, all the cool fun stuff. So if you like what I do and you want to support what I do, please check out our Patreon. Patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused. And now without any further ado, I take you to the 92nd Street Y. A very fun evening, a lot of laughs for a film that's pretty serious. This is me and the one and only Jennifer Lawrence. Enjoy. Hi, everybody.

How's it going? Welcome to the 92nd Street Y. My name's Josh Horowitz. I host a podcast called Happy Second Fuse and you're inside of it, whether you knew it or not. Thank you for coming out tonight. I am so thrilled you're with us because this is a very special night. We have the one of knowing with Jennifer Lawrence here. You know that, right?

Okay. Just checking. I've been privileged enough to chat with Jennifer Lawrence a lot over the years, but she's never done the podcast before, so we figured we'd have this conversation in front of 600 of our closest friends. So thank you for being here again. I don't really need to give much of an introduction to Jennifer Lawrence, obviously. I think it was exactly 15 years ago where she received her first Oscar nomination for Winter's Bone.

And I think I speak for all of us. When we saw that film, we saw that performance, we literally saw a star being born on screen. And since then, whether it's The Hunger Games films, Causeway, I mean, don't look up. So many amazing performances. she can truly, truly do it all. And now with this collaboration, with the great Robert Pattinson, the great filmmaker, Lynn Ramsey,

she's getting some of the best reviews of her career. Zai My Love is an exceptional piece of work, and we are so thrilled that has brought her to the 92nd Streetwide for the very first time tonight. So without any further ado, give it up for Jennifer Lawrence, everybody. Here she is. We already got the awkward non-hug out of the way. Yeah, you've been interviewing me for like 30 years.

I know. you were you were minus three so I'm like is it a hug or is it I guess it's just like a sup yeah um sup Jennifer so up Josh uh congratulations on this film thank you you killed it um first of all do you get nervous about these kinds of things at this point in your career you've been on the Oscar stage many times you've done all the award shows the talk shows does this kind of thing freak you out or no um I'm I'm really tired which is helping but um um um um I'm I'm really tired which is helping but I know I do have a I hate speaking in front of people oh gosh it really gets gets my ticker going

here we go well this hopefully will put you at ease Kim Caramelli sent in a question for you oh my god no way yes Kim is a very close friend of Jennifer's an amazing writer one of my best friends in the world she's Amy Schumer's little sister and an amazing writer I think you guys are cooking up something perhaps you're working on some stuff she would like to know which of your children is your favorite. God. Just kidding.

You can think about it through the hour and get back to us at the end. Yeah, I will. I'll tell them when they're 18. Have you thought about at what age you will show Die My Love to your children? Oh, God. No, all my friends, or all actors that are parents, they all say that their kids, like, don't. Right. They never see your movie. Right. You're like, yeah.

They're going to be the only non-hunger games children. Yeah, totally. So are you, I'm curious actually what you were exposed to as a kid growing up in terms of film. Like, were you watching, like, R-rated films, or were your parents strict about that kind of a thing? I was a third kid. I was a mistake, so they didn't pay attention to what I was watching at all. I mean, I was born in the 90s, so John Hughes was a huge guy. and yeah, I've always liked scary movies.

I was super into NipTuck. Yeah, it was like, yeah, R and John Hughes. Were there films that you feel like you saw way too early that made an imprint on you for good or for bad? I think NipTuck should not be watched by an 11-year-old. And that was just on normal TV. It wasn't even like on HBO or anything, right? It was like...

I had the DVDs, and I had the DVDs, And I, yeah, I watched it on DVD. And I remember, like, a girl is naked and has a saddle on her back. And I was like, huh. I didn't know that that was how sex is made. You tack her up. Yeah. And now you know that's the only way sex is made.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm going to see John Schaefer at this party, but I don't have my saddle. There's no good segue. But let's do it. Die my love. here we go. It's like I'm going to go between being nervous and being too comfortable.

Perfect. I love that same. I'm going to try to strike the right balance. We got this. We got this. The meds are going to kick in any minute now. Did you take propanol? I took it all.

I took everything backstage I could find. Oh. No. Nice of you to offer me some. Okay. So this film begins in some ways with a phrase I never thought I would utter, Martin Scorsese's book club. Did you guys know Martin Scorsese as part of a book club?

He has a book club? He has a book club? Tell me more. What do I need to know? Well, I did end up asking him who's in the book club, and then I forgot. So, someone named Fran. Anyway, he emailed me and said, I guess he, like, set up a Zoom, and so I got on the Zoom, obviously. You know, it was like, and he said that he had read this book and his book club, and he thought that it would be a great.

movie that I should be in it. And so I read it immediately. My son, my firstborn, was six weeks old. So I was in postpartum. I wasn't having like a terrible time, but, and I read it. And then I didn't quite, if you've read the book, it's not clear how it would be a movie because it's all kind of internal dialogue and it's changing landscapes a lot.

It's not very linear. So I was kind of like, what is he talking about? But I don't want to go back and say that. So I sat with it for a while, and then, you know, it was just like it's poetry. And so the only filmmaker, I mean, the director that I think of when I think poetry is Lynn Ramsey. She's just, I've been a huge fan of her work for such a long time. And that's her wheelhouse. So we went out to her and she hadn't made a movie in like eight years.

and she said yes. I like that in some ways this began as just not wanting to disappoint Martin Scorsese. Now I have to make the film. I have to figure out. Yeah, because I can't call back and be like, I don't get it. Maybe you should try someone else. Yeah. Do you have any other ideas, Marty?

Not this one. Talk to me a little bit about, I mean, are you the kind of actor that keeps like a secret or not so secret list of filmmakers that you want to work with? Yeah, for sure. She was on that list for a while. Yeah, big time. And are you chasing like a certain kind of experience?

Livier, SAA. Oh, yeah, let's do it. Let's go down. Park Chan Wu, Christopher Nolan, PTA. You must have had the No one meeting, the PTA meeting. No. Rude. Mm-hmm.

Wow. Tarantino's been chasing you. He wants you. I don't know about that. That's true. No, he said that. Hateful Eight, the Jennifer Jason Leapart was originally written for you, I believe. I turned it down.

which I should not have done and I think once upon a time in Hollywood too didn't he want you well he did and then everybody was like she's not pretty enough to play Sharon Tate and then they didn't I know and then

that's not true I'm pretty sure it is true or it's that thing where I've been telling this story this way for so long that I believe it no but I'm pretty sure that happened or he just never was considering me for the part and the internet just like went out of their way to call me ugly. The internet, I know the internet. It would never do that. No. Those sweetie pies?

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Listen to Tickle to death wherever you get your podcasts and hit follow unless you want the show to follow you. So the Lynn Ramsey experience, now that you've had it, how would you define it? What does she do on set that elicits

what we've seen in all her work, including this one? I mean, you know, it's not like that. It's not really, you know, it's not like it's this big show. I mean, she She really kind of slowly builds the world and, you know, for years, like sending scenes and us talking about the character. And it's kind of like in the music.

She plays music on set, which is, I've never had a director do that. And then she kind of steps back and she's really not, she's not like an over manager at all. It's more about just setting the mood, making it the actors full free. And then I think in editing, I think that's probably where she kind of really comes alive. Right. For you, in addition to Lynn, it's also about obviously the cast, and as I understand that, you basically got all your first choices in this. I love what Rob Pattinson has done with his career, having covered him right from the beginning in Twilight and to see what he did post-Twilight and where he's at now is just remarkable. Yeah, he's really cool choices.

Totally. I mean, from the beginning right after he was doing Kronenberg work, right? He was working with all the great filmmakers. So talk to me, like, what did you know Rob at all? because famously you've said before you auditioned for Twilight, but I assume that wasn't with Rob in the room, or was it? No, it was not. Yeah, I auditioned and didn't get that because I guess I was too ugly.

No. We're not making that the theme of the evening. That's what you said. No. The sweetie pies said that. You just said that. And so I didn't know Rob. I mean, I've met him just from, you know, like, hi, how are you?

But I didn't know him, but I love him as an actor. and have him wanting to work with him. And yeah, I think he makes really cool choices and just has a very cool career. And he said yes. And he was just, he brought so much, you know, he like, in the book and kind of in the script, the husband was just so pathetic that there was like,

she just bowled over him and it wasn't really interesting. And he really like kind of added this, spine to his character and would push back, which was great for my performance. It gave me something to push back against, but also you could see why they were together. Yeah. Do you approach the actual work in the same way? Do you need to approach work in a similar way to your co-star on screen? Do you find that helpful or necessary? No, I don't normally, yeah, no. I don't normally share. process, whatever we call it.

Process. Yeah. And I mean, Rob was like, had to like cry and I kept, I kept being like, oh my God, do you remember? And I kept saying like, it was like I was sabotaging him. On set, like right before. And I kept being like, stop doing that. But no, I don't know. Well, you do famous. But he has really bad memorization skills.

So he has to prepare a lot. And you on the flip side, so this is famous. for those who don't know, your process is very unique. And I've talked to, like, Francis Lawrence about this and many people that have worked with you. It works for you not to have the lines drilled in until... Yeah, this is just like something I've, like, alive and developing for a long time. No, it's not. It's just like, it's my process.

That's the nice way to put it. Yeah, it's just not being prepared. No. I mean, the proofs in the pudding. It works for you, clearly. I can memorize quite fast. And so it's not necessary for me to like, you know, know my lines. Like, you know, like a week before. Has it ever bit you in the ass where it's like a...

Yes. Yes, silver linings. Oh, yeah, I know what you're going to say. Yeah, it's the recitation of all the stats, right? The stats, because normally you're following a train of thought. But in silver linings, I had this long line that was like, you know, sports teams and 10 to 2 and like numbers. And I just didn't look at the call sheet for the next day, didn't know that we were shooting that scene. And then that day comes up, it's with Robert De Niro, which is like, you know, what a little shit.

Like, oh, I'm going to take time out of Robert De Niro's day. So I memorized it, and I did it on the first take perfectly, and then fucked up every other take after that. He's worked with you since. He obviously forgave and forget. Yeah. And you know what? I got away with it and that's why I continue this process. I mean, it really taught me that I can get away with a lot more than I thought.

Yeah, you got an Oscar for that, so it worked. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you also like, and you kind of alluded to this with Robb is you can switch on and off very quickly as I understand it on set. Yeah, I have to. My attention span. I'm at the whim of it. Does that always, does that ever?

freak out an actor you're working with? I mean... Yeah. A lot of people don't like that. Or like they are focused and don't wish to hang. Yeah, engaged in the frivolity. Or like afterwards, they're kind of coming out of this state. And I'm, you know, down to hang again.

So I work on it. But I read, I bring my Kindle. And so when I'm working with those kind of people, I just kind of, I read. Right. I'm like. Unless you're mocking the co-star about the ability to cry. Well, it was like there was something that had happened. I don't know.

It was one of the, it was church giggles, you know. He was like crying because his dad in the movie had died. And it was really serious. And I just kept thinking of this really funny thing. And I couldn't not share. you know is this as you approach like the first day of work

on something like this do you get nervous do you get like imposter syndrome as yeah every time I work like I'm working in February and I'm just I'm more familiar with the feeling but it's every time before I do a movie I believe that I cannot do

this one like I've been able to do those other movies but I don't know how I'm going to do this and I'm not going to be able to do it and it's just That's just my anxiety. Or it's true. No, again. I guess the good thing on this one is day one, you literally dove right in.

What did you shoot on day one of this? The naked sex kind of tiger stuff. So you're committed, you're all in. Yeah. There's no going back. Yeah. It was actually easier that way because Rob and I did not know each other, which is kind of better, you know,

Like in Hunger Games, like me and Josh Hutcherson would have to like kiss. And that's like imagine. You know. Like, imagine it. Okay. Give me a second. You know, it's like weirder. And so, yeah, it was doing it with a stranger is preferable.

There's your PSA of the night. Yeah. I asked Harrison Ford this once. Like, how do you silence the part of your brain? Game dropper. Well. It's my job. Like, how do you silence the part of your brain that says what I'm doing is really embarrassing and silly on set?

I can't believe you just said that, because that is something that I've had to get over for years. I think acting is very embarrassing, and that's why I don't, like, rehearse and stuff, because I'm afraid the camera guys are going to be like, nerd. Could you believe that? Yeah. And now you've just put it back in my... This is like when a friend visited me one time, and she was like, I, like, finished doing a tape. and she was like, how do you know what to do with your hands?

Right. And I was like, fuck. The Talladega Nights thing. Yeah, that's the whole, yeah, that's right, yeah. Yeah. So how do you silence that part of your brain when you're on set and you have to like, there's a lot of like stuff in this film that I would imagine in other contexts you would feel totally embarrassed to do?

What? You're kind of being rude. Me? Like, what is so embarrassing? No, I mean, like, again, you're in front of a street. strangers, you're naked, you're crawling around, you're like... Oh, God, yeah, the tiger thing. That was embarrassing.

Well, Lynn had us do interpretive dance lessons together before we started shooting. We got to Calgary like three weeks before we started shooting. Rob and I both embarrassed very easily. And that was mortifying. It was, I mean, I'm not like a good dancer. Rob's a worst dancer. And it was like, you know, like, now blow, like a tree and now,

like it was just so embarrassing. And so I think by the time she was like, yeah, get naked. We were just kind of like, okay. At least it's not interpretive dance. Truly. Like at least it was a choreographed dance that we had both learned, you know.

Does Rob hate dancing more than you hate singing? I bet it's equal. Yeah. You do sing a bit in this film. I can't get away from it. I know, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. The world wants you to sing.

No, they don't. Have you ever auditioned for a musical? Have you ever... No. You would never. I'm not like lying about it that I hate to sing. There's autotune. They can do wonders in post.

Yeah, they can. They did. So, like, what does that say on the page? Like, what's in the script for that? It was actually, we were flipping burgers. And I... Like he was like grilling or something and I think actually I proposed to him and then we were You know, I don't know not shooting yet and Lynn had like looked out at the field and looked at the light and the light was really beautiful and she was like

Crawl in the grass. I mean it was incredible. She was very Free like that this is like Terrence Malick territory. That's like totally right. Let's chase that butterfly for a few hours. Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. Was there was there a Kardashian tent on this one or something comparable? No, I didn't have a Kardashian tent on this one. Was that just on mother famously? Jennifer had a Kardashian tent where she went to kind of like decompress. Yeah, I had my like baby died in that movie and I had never done something that like dark like had to imagine feeling something that dark. So I had this tent. I mean, I would have a tent anyway

because there was like hundreds of extras or whatever so just like in between for me to like go sit and like eat and peace, whatever. But I had Kardashians playing on the laptop and like gumballs and it just kind of turned into like a happy place. What would be in your happy place we'll be playing now? Are you watching heated rivalry yet? Everyone's talking about it.

Watching what? Do you know about this? Heated rivalry. Oh, heat of rivalry. I thought you said diarrhea. Are you watching the diarrhea show? I'm behind unheated rivalry, but probably mom's secret lives of Mormon TikTokers.

Okay. I think that's just like, brem de la crem perfection and the way it ended, really good. Yeah, it would probably be that. I don't have as much time. Family boo.

Elity TV anymore. You're so self-deprient. to an insane degree about all of your work. Are you able to look at this and take some pride? Like, I mean, how are you watching yourself, watching this film, watching this performance? Can you take a moment to be like, this is new territory?

This is, it's right. Yeah, I'm, if I'm not, like, go, like, cringing, then that, like. That means A plus. That means, like, she approves, you know, and I don't, I don't, I don't cringe. I'm like, mum. What percentage of your films would you be able to sit down and watch.

Like Tom Hanks famously said, like, I've made four good movies in my career, and the world was like... Four? I know. Who is the Duchess of Deuchester over here? I mean, so many great films. It's not four. Pieces of this one. I don't know.

Okay. I don't know. Silver linings, certainly. In this. Okay, can we... Yeah. I can't answer that? I don't know.

I mean, whatever. I'm just not thinking of the others. It's so rude to everybody else I've ever, every movie I've worked on. I love. Yeah, there it is. Rewrites. Like, can we reminisce for a second? Because we first did get to know each other when it was all happening at the beginning.

And it was such an insane, it must have been such an insane time for you. I think I met you before you shot Hunger Games. It was probably in that period right around. Because it was for silver linings, right? Well, probably even before then. I remember the first time I remember meeting you was for the MTV Movie Awards, like we did a silly bit where you were training me to be a red carpet host. Thank you for that.

Wow. I know. And you had shot X-Men, but you hadn't shot Hunger Games, just to orient you. But my question is you knew, you were very aware when you signed on for Hunger Games that your life was going to change. And in fact, you took a minute, right? You took a few days to decide. Like, did you come up with like a list of press?

pros and cons? Like, how close did you come to not accepting that role at the time? I don't know. I mean, I didn't make, like, a list, a physical one, but yeah, in my mind, because I had reached this point in my career that was, like, really lovely. It was, like, I was doing Indies, which was what I wanted to do. And I had just finished doing a sitcom home where I had a steady paycheck and I, you know, got this. It was basically like I could act, but I wasn't like very, very famous. You could lead a normal life. I could have a normal life. And like my, I've just always wanted to be a mom. That's just ever since I was little, I just always wanted to be a mom. And so that was kind of always what I was going towards and like

manifesting if you will. And so when I, this just getting off at the Hunger Games, it just, it just looked so different than the original future that I had pictured for myself. Right. Which was like, you know, a soccer mom and like, and I, and Twilight was happening and you could see how intense it was. It was like helicopters going over. It was just, it was so different that, you know, as much as I wanted to do it, and I'm, you know, and yeah, I really wanted to do it, but I wanted to be very thoughtful and make sure that I had really taken the time to consider before I make this huge change to my life. And it was, I'm really happy that I did.

I mean, I'm so happy I did it, and I have no regrets at all. But, I mean, I got famous just from signing on to those movies. Like, I would get recognized as the girl who is going to play cast. About a year or so ago, I caught up with Josh Hutcherson on the stage, actually. It was great to catch up with him, a gem. I can't believe it's been 10 years since you guys. I cannot believe it. Time has no meaning.

Yeah. Since Mockingjay Part 2. When I spoke to you guys back then, you were like, Joshua's going to be strong, it's never going to die. It died. It might be in a coma. What's going on? What happened?

I don't know. Have you guys ever... Have you ever... Have you ever discussed anything or no? I mean, obviously, I'm sure, are in touch. Yeah, no, we're in touch. I don't think we've ever, maybe a couple things we've passed back and forth.

Like, would you want to do this? Would you want to do this? But there hasn't really been, like, a role. I think it would be, I don't know, it should happen. Yeah. I think some people would be interested in that, potentially. Potentially. I'm going to focus group.

Around that time, I guess that was probably the last period of time when you were auditioning for films. Thankfully, you probably haven't had to audition for, quite a while. Were you a good auditioner back in the day? Did you? I was not. No. I didn't do like classes or lessons. So when I started auditioning, I was just, you know, learning myself and teaching myself with no real feedback. So, like, I remember one of my first auditions. I was going like this, which I was. I thought was like brilliant because it's so realistic.

Right. And they were like, they were like, cut, cut, what are you doing? And I was like, well, the scene is outside. So I'm shielding. You see, I read that part. And they were like, move your hand away from your face. So stuff like that. Right.

Yeah. No, I wasn't a good auditioner. But then every once in a while, you know, you get a call back or something and then you get something. True that you and your buddy Emma Stone were going up for a lot of... Oh, yeah. We went... Everything. Everything.

And we're on a group chat, and she got nominated for a sag today, and I did not. And I wrote, like, what? And all of our friends were like, congratulations, Emma. And then I would just do, like, a sad face emoji. I'm right here. Shut up. Yeah. And then every time she's tried to, like, talk today, I've just been like,

why are you talking and not saying sorry? If you can talk, why are you not saying sorry? But yeah, no, she's been beating me for decades. And it's an honor. Was one of them, did you go up for Gwen Stacy and Spider-Man? Did you audition for that one?

No. They probably didn't even, like, let me audition. No, the one that I wanted that she got was EZA. I was nuts for EZA. I really, I know. They're like, she should have gotten it, right? That was what that.

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And it worked out just fine. I'm really going to have to think of some... Thank you. Two, oh, goodness. Nudes did that too. Oh, stop. Goodness. It's okay.

You don't, yeah. I don't know. Do whatever you want. You've been very frank and talked over the years about how, like, how, I mean, you know how the nature of the media and the internet. What are we called the internet again? The little sweetie pies? The sweetie pies? How the sweetie pies like to build you up and then tear you down.

And it happens with everybody or happens with everybody. in your profession, it seems. What was like the apex moment where you were like, oh my God, I'm like, I'm too high, this is too much? Yeah, like when I was winning for silver linings and kind of that period, because silver linings in Hunger Games,

I think they came out like in the same year. Yeah. And there was one of the award shows where I had won for like something for the Hunger Games for like best upcoming star or something. and then was like backstage and then won performance.

This sounds so I'm like trying to be like demure and then I won again for like for something for silver linings and then I was like backstage and then silver linings won for picture and it was just like I mean thank God my parents were there because it was just you know

I remember my daddy said if I was a bubble you could pop me but anyway Around that time was when I was like, this is going to get bad. Well, I can't even imagine also the surreality of like you're sitting at home. I don't know what the context was when you saw like Ariana Grande doing you on S&L. And you're like, now at that stage where I am, someone is going to spoof me on the show on late night TV. Yeah.

No, it got too. It's like a balloon that just keeps getting like do, do, do, do, do. And then, you know, inevitably pops. Do you feel more in control of? No. I mean, you don't. No. I feel more in control of what I can say yes and no, too,

but once I'm doing an interview, I don't have, I'm not like, but I'm not going to talk about, you know, my butt. Like, I just. Right. I have two cards about your butt. Can we tease your next collaboration? We talked about Martin Scorsese. You're going to be working with Martin Scorsese.

Yeah. I'm directing you. I am. Very excited about it. Thank you. It's unbelievable. I'm going to be working with Leonardo DiCaprio and Martin Scoresi

and in the next couple months. Has he given you the homework, like the films to watch? Yes. Can you give me one or two? I will. I'm going to get there two weeks before we start shooting and I'm just going to plow through. We're not worried. Then.

You got this. Yeah, I'm not worried. Okay. Unless he like asked me about them before we get there. Right. That's what Chad Shoebt is for. Have you even looked at the list? Do you know any of the films that are on the list?

I know what the list is, well, I, he's like sent the list and then I thought I saved the list, but I didn't. So I've asked for the list again. No. Is he also doing the Miss Piggy project? Is he directing that one too, or is that... I'm just going to say yes, because that'd be really good press for us. Right? Yes.

Paul Thomas Anderson is writing in this biggie movie. Well, it is pretty cool. Marty to direct. Cole Escola is writing. So that is pretty damn cool. Yeah. And it's you and your buddy, Emma. Yep.

And what else can we say? This is hard R-rated fair? No, this is going to be... Um, um... 17. Oh. Okay. No.

It'll be... It's a family movie. Okay. For gays and women. Can I come too? Yeah. Okay. Is it true that you're thinking about directing?

Seriously? Is that something that's on the list? Yeah, Kim Caramelli, who asked which one of my children is my favorite. She and I have been writing this movie called Six Little Numbers. And it's funny. I think it's funny. And I would, theoretically, I would star in it. and direct it.

Feel, is that? I feel like I'm gonna vomit. Just even the idea of it, I mean, it's a lot, but that's exciting. Yeah, just so embarrassing if it doesn't go well. Like, so, you got this. We have a couple. Like, if a movie comes out and people don't like it,

but like I just acted in it, you know? It's like not, but like if I directed it and it doesn't do, oh God. But it'll probably be fine. I think so. Yeah. Francis Lawrence is directing a new Hunger Games movie. You guys should catch up, maybe.

Maybe we already have. If you believe everything on the internet. Oh, yeah, it is out on the internet. So I should see that Hunger Games movie is what you're saying. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I'll be there.

This is a new thing I've been doing with guests on Happy Second Feus, to gauge some of your movie interests, okay? Are you an alien or aliens person or neither? Alien. Is aliens the TV show? No, no. Aliens was the James Cameron, like the action, more of like the... And the Alien was the... Ridley Scott, scary one. Alien.

Okay. Great. Six people agree. Okay. Who's your favorite Spider-Man of all time, actor-wise? Toby McGuire. Do you have a favorite comic book movie of all time? A favorite comic book movie of all time? You've been in a few. I'm just gonna, whichever one's I'm in.

There's this movie called First Class. I was in. First Class was great. It was great. Objectively. Yeah, truly. I don't know. I don't know my favorite comic book movie.

I liked that one, I liked that show that came out the time, the Manhattan Man. Yeah, watchman. Yes. Watchman was amazing. Yeah, I love that. Awesome. Yeah, it was great. Who's your favorite James Bond of all time?

I mean, the person who I think of is James Bond, I think, more to do with when I was born as Pierce Brosnan. Right. Scariest movie of all time. Ooh. Well, the Ethan Hawk one. Oh, Sinister? Yeah. Oh, that one is so scary.

Yeah. I support it. Funniest movie of all time. Dumb and dumber. What's the movie you can quote back? I've got to put my shoulders down. I'm like... being tested.

What's a movie you can quote backwards and forwards? Well, dumb and dumber. Makes sense. Naturally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And what's your go-to movie theater snack? Movie theater snack is an icy.

Oh. Yeah. They didn't see that coming. No. Whoa. She's always surprising in every way. Yeah. And we're going to end with this.

This is the happy, sad, confused, profoundly random questionnaire. Are you a dog or a cat person? I'm really uncomfortable answering this question. Isn't it dogs? You have a dog? Not anymore. Oh my God. No. I'm sorry. Oh, no, she's alive. She's with my parents.

I, you know... Never mind. I take back my sympathy. You got rid of your dog. I... As soon as I got a boyfriend. I was like, woo! She did not like New York. And I lived on first and 67th

just to be near the park, like, for her. Right. Anyway, after I had a kid, I dogs became so scary, you know? Like if my son's, like, going up to it, you know? And I'm like, and like, it's almost like I don't recognize dogs right now. Like, I just see them as a threat. And one of them bit my son,

and that made me just want to obliterate every dog. Gosh. I'm just like, I'm going to take out you and your whole fucking family and your fucking friends. I'm going to go to China and take care of your friends over there. Like, anybody that looks like you is dead.

And so I'm going to say cats. Oh, my God. And I like, I have a cat and I feel like they're so misunderstood with, like, they are assholes. And the people who don't like that about cats aren't getting that that is what is so funny. Right.

You know, like, he, like, comes into the room like when my husband and I are watching TV and it always makes it look like a coincidence. Like, oh. I don't know you guys were here. You guys still live here too? Cool. I guess I'll stay. Your next project, the dog assassin, Jennifer Oars, just mowing them down.

I know, and you just can't say that publicly, but... You just did. I just did. What do you collect? The tiny little wrenches that come with, like, things that you put together. Yeah, I'm just like, I'm going to reuse this. In case.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tiny little wrenches. This is the Dakota Johnson Memorial question. She asked me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt? One B in my butt. Yeah.

Oh, we got to the butt questions. Yeah. After all, we got there. What's the wallpaper on your phone? One of my sons. Well, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, lock screen one is one is one to open up okay yeah who's the last actor you were mistaken for ever happen what I don't I don't recall that happening

nice there's only one's out for Lawrence guys come on thank you I mean they just think I'm like her mom or something but like I love your daughter's work you're turning off that microphone in a second what's the what's the worst note a director has ever given you? What don't you respond well to? Is there a general note or a... I didn't respond well. I was doing something like very subtle once and then the director saw that I was doing it

and then asked me to like, I was basically like leaning kind of towards this person and he was like, that's great. And I'll reach out and like put, he basically just wanted to like exploit the subtle thing. And that just made me want to just kill his. dog. And in the spirit of happy second fuse, who's an actor who always makes you happy. You see them on screen.

Steve Martin. There it is. The jerk? Where do you go? What's the Steve Martin? Well, there was a DVD that we had at our house. I mean, all of them like planes, trains, and automobiles, obviously, the jerk. But it was called Bringing Down the House, and it was with

Queen Latifah? Sure. Yeah. I had that DVD and I watched it a lot. Got some use out of it. Yeah, I did. It doesn't sound like I was masturbating. Which I wasn't.

You're literally the only person that thought that just for the record. I don't know. Moving on. Movie that makes you sad. Movie that makes me sad. I mean, driving Miss Daisy makes me sad. Oh, God. Not Marley of me.

You don't care about that. You're fine with that. Terms of inderment, my God. Screaming, give her the medication. Come on. Wharf. And finally, a food that makes you confused. You don't get it.

Why do people eat that, Jennifer? A food that confuses me. You know what? I'm not a big fan of like big. thick meat. Like, really... Like, I mean, I'll eat, like, a steak fine, but like a filet mignon that's so... Yeah, you don't like the height.

You don't like the whole... I need the seasoning to be almost equal parts to the middle, and when it's so thick. Right. You know, like, I'm not a lion. I'm not here to taste the... I want the seasoning. Like, I don't like... I don't love the way that the French do their steaks.

Yeah. I don't. I'm losing so many I was going to say you've lost the dog community like so I know the French the entire French community you know who doesn't say things like this Emma Stone she wouldn't say that

no she really really wouldn't so yeah I think big thick meets yeah I think that's the best phrase to end tonight on don't you in all in all seriousness to bring it back full circle. I think

we talked about Die My Love for a portion of this and we should have because it's a fantastic piece of work truly. If you guys have not checked it out, please do. Spread the good word. It's a remarkable performance by one of our best. Give it up for the one and only Jennifer Lawrence. Thank you. And so ends another edition of happy, sad,

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