Happy Sad Confused - Jessie Buckley & Paul Mescal

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

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It helps us make more cool stuff for all of you guys. As for this conversation, let's talk, guys. If you love movies and If you're listening to this podcast or watching it, you love movies. You know Hamnet is one of the special ones of the year. It is just now finally out in theaters. Those of us that have been lucky enough to see it at film festivals have been spreading the gospel of Hamnet for a while. I'm excited to see a broader audience finally experience this work from Chloe Zhao. It will break you in the best possible way.

It's based on a book. It's inspired by William Shakespeare. and it is a tale of love and loss and grief and it is poetically told and brilliantly acted by the sublime Jesse Buckley and Paul Meskell. As I said, two of the greats of their generation. They've both been on the pod before, but it was lovely to chat with them together. This was actually recorded a while back at the Toronto Film Festival. One of the film festivals were Hamlet screened, so grateful that they made the time in Toronto

for this. We've been holding on to it for a while because we want to make sure that everybody experienced this conversation when the film was actually out in theaters. But I have such admiration for what Paul and Jesse have been doing in their careers and especially what they do in this movie. They obviously know each other quite well. They were in The Lost Daughter, but they are friends on and off screen. And, you know, it's a rare treat to get two actors of this caliber at this age together in a movie and in a conversation. like this so if you love great acting great films this podcast is a celebration of that always but especially this episode devoted to hamlet um happy holidays if you're in the states or wherever you are

the holiday spirit right i hope you guys are enjoying time with family and friends getting a little time off of work and um my gift to you today whether it's thanksgiving the day before day after is a a really great conversation with Jesse Buckley, Paul Meskell, talking all things, Hamnet, and more. Enjoy. Guys, we're here. Jesse. Paul. It's good to see you both.

Hey. Don't cry, John. No crying. No crying. Hey, we're here. That's the main thing now. We're here. We're alive and well.

We're spreading the good word of your beautiful, beautiful movie. Hamnet is the film. It is a good. barometer for whether you're human being, if this movie works for you, you're, you're human being. The organs are working, the heart is working. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Congratulations. Okay, so let's talk. This is, I feel like Paul first of all, this is like the reverse of our gladiator press tour. This is the reverse of the gladi, yes. Because also, like, I spoke to Paul. It was like his last interview of like that press store, essentially. I want to like publicly apologize for how, like,

I was, I felt like I was on death store at the end of that. No, I loved it. It was like his exit interview. You were fantastic. But now we're at the beginning of this long journey for you guys. How are you feeling? You have each other to lead on through this madness. How's it going so far? I'm going to be like such a wifie, but you've just got like one hair just going. Thank you.

I'll be looking at the whole industry. You're very good. You're very good. If I didn't need that. I want to talk about his grooming problems. I'll be picking his nose now. How are we feeling? You're great.

It's such a nice. It's just such a nice group. We all love each other and it's been, I mean, it's always vulnerable sharing the film for the first time, no matter what it is, but I think how we made this, what it felt like making it, you know, our hearts were kind of cracked open and so you're just a little bit more tender putting something out and as Chloe said, it's like your baby's taking it first step and it was so nice kind of putting it out and tell you. ride where you were in the mountains. It was like a gentle letting go. Now it's exciting. It's like only been a week really. It's like been a fast week. Yeah. The first audience to solve and yeah. It's going to be interesting like as you kind of go through as more people in the world see this movie because the nature of this film and one of the many reasons I love film in general in a film like this is like you connect your own personal experiences. You

can't help it. The grief, the loss that we've all experienced. Um, and And they're going to like, when they see you in the street, when people see you the rest of their lives in the next couple of years, they're going to like connect. They're going to bring their own stuff to us. Yeah. So I'm just warning you, I guess. There's going to be some intense nature. Yeah, we were walking along and kind of debriefing. This gorgeous woman came from was just like.

She lost her dad. Yeah. It was intense. Yeah. But that's also, I mean, it's, it's, what I've, what I'm learning. is like you kind of with a film like this you have to learn to contain the emotions that might come out for people after this you know it's not really about you and you always hope to make something that will affect yeah yeah in many different ways whether that's they want you want to

affect them to imagine themselves on the moon if they want to but the fact that this has brought such emotion and such a personal experience to yeah to people and giving them an access to to transcend through things that maybe are too hard to hold on their own is a gift. Oh my God, yeah. So anybody's welcome to come up. Yeah. It's our bawling for you.

We're going to just start carrying around. We're going to set up a little stall. Tissues, yeah. I should. Like, we'll get my fanny pack here with my tissues for you. Here, I'm ready for you. What's the, what's the rat party like for something like Hamnet? Like, after you've gone through this, like, crazy experience.

Was it unique? Was it, like, kind of like, a, letting go of like what was a singular experience in a special way or what? How did you decompress together or apart? We walked home, I remember. We did. We got a lot. Do we got a line bike at the end of the night?

No, we got a line bike over. We had a big party first of all. Yeah. Dancing, music. There was, yeah, DJ dancing, like, mosh pit kind of. I think everybody was like, I need, I need to go out. Yeah. Jesus.

And almost maybe too much. Oh, they always end up roughly being a disappointment. It's too, it can be feel, I'll tell you what was a great ending was at the last day in the globe, the end of the shoot. That was gorgeous. We did a, Chloe does like a dance Friday. Like every, like we do, after the big emotional scenes, we do a huge dance off. And so we like, the crew, they spent about three hours saying up. the camera for this shot for the last dance off,

which included like the crew, 300 extras, all the like, everybody was involved in it. We all danced to Rihanna's... We found love. We found love. And I think this will come out at some point

this dance more. It is incredible because the whole like, the globe is hopping. We have seismic activity around this area. It's the rat party for hand net, actually. And everybody's in like, you were gonna cost you as well and like everybody these amazing faces of all these like jumping up and down so that felt like that spiritual end catharsis out of this and then after the rap party you and me we walked home that was lovely that was so night we walked it was about 2 a.m we walked along the canal yeah yeah I will say like talking like you know Chloe is such a singular human being filmmaker um like seeing this at tell you ride and she did this

this amazing thing, which I guess she does with all of us each day, this like meditative kind of moment, which I'm so not that person generally, but Chloe can got me in. Like I'm ready. How did you find it? Yeah. I'm, again, like I said, like, my, you know, I'm a cynical, horrible New Yorker, very practical. Like I don't do meditation or anything. I was like, oh, I could get with the Chloe Zhao app, like meditation app.

Like I need this in my life. It really added, I mean, I must have added something like, I don't know, give me a sense like what she, the tenor she sets on set, because it clearly translates into the finished material, but just her as a presence, as a force on set and how that informed the film. She, that kind of what, like, that's a micro version of, yeah, of, we wouldn't do that every single morning, but it was like, okay, but it's kind of indicative of kind of the way that she's able to curate an energy onset. Like, she's able to, sometimes, we would do a form of meditation other times it would be through kind of the messages we would

send each other in the morning or music that we would send i think what that moment is an example of is chloe invites you into a world yeah right and we are in such as you know as humans we are so addicted to a sensational experience that to actually stop and take a breath and recognize where you're about to go yeah it takes a moment of consciousness or a breath to like get invite yourself into that world and yeah um yeah and she's so sensitive like that and and that was shared between everybody the crew you know to the point where we were all kind of working like an orchestra together so the tone of the the tone of what the moment was requiring of you was set by by Chloe and how she led that.

And it was never dogmatic. It was done with just... You will relax for me. You will meditate for me because that's not the way to do it. Okay, okay. I'm relaxed. Okay.

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Bravo news and dig into the new episodes to answer important questions like, who the hell is Adrian Maloof in this world? Listen to Turtle Time on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, new episodes every Wednesday and Friday. I think you both have said something approximately the same to me in that, like, the experience is what matters, right? The experience of making the film. The bonus is obviously what comes in it. This is a different side of it, but like it's about the journey. It's about what you guys get to do together on set, the collaborative nature. As you start to look back at this experience, in what ways was this a unique experience? Whether

it's the Chloe, Zhao of it, the material, working with each other, what sets this apart from other brilliant work you guys have been a part of? Wow. Well, many things for me. I think sometimes like a story and somebody's like soul and a character and the people that you're working with just meet you at the right time of your life. You know, I don't think you can kind of generate that experience. It just is a bit of mercurial magic. And this felt like that in all, you know, the fact that Chloe met this book and then we met Chloe and Lukash and just where we all were as well at that, at this moment of our lives. I feel like that was the kind of, yeah, that's what made this experience the way it was. But also I think, I mean, we've both been very lucky to work with incredible directors and artists and crews and other actors. But I think what Chloe reminded me of anyway was that actually being an artist and being creative is the only thing that matters.

And that's something that is rare, more rare, like rarer in this industry. more and more and she is uncompromising as an artist her process is totally protected about what she wants to experience as an artist and and that is never at the consequence of a budget or going over time like we never had any of that experience because she was so clear about what was necessary for her to unravel the story yeah as a company but also within herself and it just it was like a breath of fresh air and we ignited how tender

it can be to work like this again. Yeah, because as you were, I mean, you guys have been privileged. You have worked with some amazing filmmakers that do cultivate really like collaborative environments, but that's not the norm. There's a, I mean, sadly, there are a lot of experiences where it's like, time is money and you're like, it's about just getting the shots of a day. And it sounds like someone like Chloe and some of the other filmmakers you've worked with, it's really about creating a vibe

been in an environment where you can explore it all together and have the time and not the pressure, the inherent pressures of making a movie to find something truthful. Yeah. Totally. Like that's her, that's Chloe's modus operandi. It's like you would arrive. If something wasn't working, you never felt,

oh, we're not going to make the day. I always felt we were going to make it. It was just we weren't sniffing in the right area yet. And if something didn't work or didn't serve the, like, aliveness in the scene she would discard it and she would see you know you're I guess she's a curious artist

she's looking for the most live moment that's there she's not trying to build an egoship around it yeah yeah she's trying to go more human which is I think

scary it's scary to be more human I agree Can I just like this morning? This morning. Can we all just be soulless robots and just not think or feel for a second? This morning. That's for the morning, maybe.

I mean, yeah, I was saying before about, like, folks, like, connecting with it on a personal level. I found myself, like, thinking about losses I've experienced and stuff watching this. I mean, do you go there? I imagine you guys must, like, connect when you're, whether in the moment or preparing. And, like, that's what it is about, I guess, connecting to your own personal. I guess, connecting to your own personal experiences in some ways. Like where that's available to you, like the, and then other times, I don't know about you, just, but sometimes you're imagining,

like your imagination can be very powerful when you're trying. Like, I feel very lucky that I haven't, like, lost a child, but your brain as an actor, I feel a massive responsibility with this to, like, kind of, we're playing and we're representing parents who've lost children, and and and I I found I find that to be a great um responsibility and it's a tough place to kind of put your yeah put your brain for two months three months four months however long it takes I didn't think about my dead

I did compatriots I I I heart that way yeah I I don't really work like that I like, for me, you know, you've got these brilliant people in front of you and little Jacoby's face and Paul's face and Emily's face and I don't need anything else. Yeah. Like, if anything, just try and live in that world. And I don't need to, I don't need to bring my own shit into, I'm going to do that all by myself. You surprised Paul, I believe, by nearly punching him.

in the film. Is that a Paul Meskell special? Do you only do that for Paul? Would you do that with other co-stars? I'm not going to tell you. Then what's the point? It's not surprised. You want to keep the rest of them on their toes.

Yeah, yeah. I want people quaking in their mood. Just like, the Bockely. I'm ready, just in case. You come out of. On your end, Paul, was that like an exciting moment in a way? Oh, come on, absolutely.

Like, so, like, we were talking about this yesterday. like not for a second was I like concerned like I was just like in in the best sense I was like if Jesse hits me in the face brilliant if she doesn't great like I just felt like we were at that point in the shoes we weren't really taught we never really spoke about what we're ever going to do and it just felt like a really collaborative feeling of like being totally in your body and out of your head which I feel like I'm constantly wrestling with as an actor where you're like trying to shut this little like that's the the key that's the whole thing right yeah and I find I found working with Jesse

was like probably the easiest I've ever had of just like being in my body yeah and kind of wordlessly just kind of walking on the set squeezing like each other's shoulder and leaving and then just going into a take yeah yeah almost ruins the face of you know America's sweetheart over here the world sweethearts Paul I think it would take a lot more that yeah let's embarrass each other if an actor came to you and asked what it's like to work with the other if they were like give me give me the prep what's it like to work with paul what's it like to work with jesse what would you say jess i like i've long admired jesse

but like to work with her to watch her work is one thing to work with her with one of the most exhilarating experiences she like like chloe was a huge leader on this but like i would also say that like jesse led us as a company of actors through it was like it's old school leading actor behavior where she just took us all through it and like the colors of her performance in this the way she's kind of like uncompromising in terms of if something doesn't smell right to Jesse she just will rigorously figure out away through it I I I just loved every single second working with her she just broke my heart totally broke my heart you don't have to reciprocate.

You can just be silent and say, I'd be like, I wish I connected. I mean, he's all right. No, I, um, I honestly felt like, and I think we both would say this, that, oh, we're going to meet each other again and again in a kind of old school way,

like kind of felt like Casabetti's in general and like we were like just in, uh, in a, it's it's um just the kinetic kind of trust and possibility um and again you know i i i knew paul as a person i didn't know him as well as i know him now um and i also had such respect for him in his work but um i think when you have that level of trust and you also feel like you can contain the biggest parts of each other and you meet that person as a as a partner on set and it's not in your head it's just like it's totally unknowable you know it's just this force where anything's possible and Paul is a giant like he's got a giant capacity and also I think what makes Paul so kind of why everybody

falls and he moves people is he is his heart he's like got this tenderness which doesn't isn't like held by a masculine ego or like trying he will go to the ugliest most human most tender sensitive place while also being this giant of a man and when you get to um Spur Sometimes literally With that You just It's like every kind of texture of what it is to be a human

gets brought out And I really Really hope This is just the first time we get to do this Like I think it would be so thrilling To meet each other at different moments of our lives And see where we can go next Oh, I signed me up yesterday.

I do work, but, yeah, I mean... Thanks, Jesse. Paul, we've discussed, like, your propensity to make films that are designed, it seems to wreck people. Oh, I mean, it continues. I thought we were done, but we were just getting started, apparently. I think you've out blew Valentine, blue Valentine at this point. Oh, I saw Derek seen France last night.

Yeah. I was like, oh. You were in a moment. Have you met Derek before? I know, I have. But, like, whenever I see him, I'm like, so where do we rank in terms of like the wrecking the emotional um i don't know the power of these films like all the strangers normal people like what's what's the order of films they

should watch if they want to have a good cry ball i like i don't know i like i probably start with normal people and then let them off i say yeah i don't know but i i i think it's probably something that i'm we spoke briefly about this the last time i think i'm drawn to watching stories like that i'm drawn to being in them i feel like that's what i want to say with the art that i want to be making it's like that's you know we spoke a bit about this it's like you have i don't really know how to articulate but you like there's certain painters that you like because they have a certain style and i think that like the more i'm doing it the more i'm interested of playing with the style but not necessarily trying to just like paint like Jesse

Buckley because she paints like Jesse Bunkley. I want to do my thing until I get bored of myself. The last time you were on the pod with Olivia, we were talking about James Bond, you were joking about you want just like the one-line role as the Bond girl. Do you want to see this guy as a Bond in a Denisville Nouve movie? That makes it a little more interesting. Yes, please. We all have to admit, right?

As long as I can be the Bond girl. girl and we can set it in Ireland this is the nice collaboration just didn't you imagine did you know with my bonker was James it's me the girl from bear oh maybe I'll play James Bond like how will you get out nobody outside of Ireland has any idea what I've just said I did but I do I have to slow the tape down and then I got it yeah yeah just do it again what did you say James it's me the girl from bear from the bar I don't know will you stop we're workshopping it I think it It could work. Yeah.

I'm waiting for Diney. Who loves music festivals more? I know you're a big music festival person. Are you as well? I love a music festival. Okay. Yeah. Big time, yeah.

Yeah. Can you rank them for me? I'm not a musical festival person. Like in the Glastonbury's, Coachella's. Like, what's the vibe for each? Give me the dummies guide to music festivals. I've never gone to Coachella. I've been, I'm going to probably get stick for this.

I don't like Coachella whatsoever. Okay. It's a bit like boogey. It's like a boot. I'm so fucked. The world loved him and then it came to an end. Just blew it all up. I love glass degree.

I find it like to be such an like, incredibly like kind of almost like spiritual place. It's like even how it's a city. Like and the amount of creativity there is just. It's just amazing. And whatever flavor you want, you can find. Yeah. You both have a tremendous amount of musical talent.

Have you ever sung together in any capacity on set, karaoke, anything? The Lost Daughter. Oh, God, Jesus. Yeah, we, that was great. That was great crack. That was gorgeous. What was the song? What was the content?

Oh, no. It wasn't. It was many. It was, and it was Olivia Coleman's fault. Yeah. It was like. It's always at the scene of the crime Always at the scene of the crime

She's always at the scene of the crime We would go up to her room Late at night And after a day shooting And all sit in her roof And drink a hell of a lot of rosé And have a huge sing song Till about 3am

And I would be like Shit I need to get I'm picking up in three hours And but yeah We had great That was great It's my first ever film job And I was like

Hanging out with you guys And I was like This is what everybody just drink Rose until three back in the morning. And if you're calling the scream at you to sing songs, and of course you're going to sing them. And you're like, try to learn new ones so you don't bore everyone by the end of the week two.

You're quickly on your phone, like getting wicks up. Yeah, yeah. Any phone stick out in any particular memory? Jesse has got the most extraordinary voice. Jesse shuts the bar down when she starts singing. Oh, my God. Come on. We did together.

We did together. She's the ringer at the karaoke. Did we do? Yeah. Amazing. Speaking of, I spoke to Harris, I caught up with Harris on the podcast, legend. He's the loveliest man in the world. He's a perfect man.

It's kind of annoying. My husband is like, complete. I'm going, I can't wait to see it. It's so good. It's so good. How is this possible? Yeah. Because he's like, I think he's like an unbelievable man, unbelievable artist.

He's like, just, I'm so happy for him. So he says you guys have been kind of starting to work to like to like do the music together to like get into it. We've been in it for like months now. It's like we're really putting the foot down with it. It's so... How surreal? How insane is it to beat the Beatles together, that group, like trying to approximate that vibe, that music? It's just like that material, getting to, like,

hang out with your friends and go into that world and, like, to have all of that music that we have access to that could be in any of the films, and you're just like... It's an education in all of it. It's so thrilling. Is part of it also just the volume of material a little intimidating. You're going to make, you're literally making four movies. Yeah. That's, that's a lot. I mean, that's what, like, I think we're, I think as a group now,

we've settled on the fact, like, we're, we've kind of put that thought about, like, we know it's four films, we know it's a, we know it's volume, but it's also the most rehearsal time. Like, we've been, or me and Harris have been in for like six months now. Like, we're rehearsing in, yeah, and the boys as well. At Desjardin, we speak business. We speak startup funding and comprehensive game plans. We've mastered made-to-measure growth and expansion advice, and we can talk your ear-off about transferring your business when the time comes.

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you're in it for the right reasons. You have great taste. Like, yes, like, you know, you've, you know, you've done the gladiators, but, oh, you know, I know what you're, but I know, and I love gladiator. You know, we talked. Yeah. But, like, I know where your true hearts lie and the kind of people that you want to work with, the kind of careers you want to have, it does feel like there is, for lack of a better

term, this, like, letterboxed generation, like, this, like, I don't know, do you feel like kind of a camaraderie of the actors in your generation that, like, you're kind of part of a wave of actors that are, I don't know, they have, like, true artistic aspirations. I do believe that. I think a lot of my best friends are some of the best are the best actors in the world or my favorite actors in the world. Like I think we're so lucky like Andrew Colley, Harris.

Josh. All of these like clear. Yeah. Like it's I do believe that our friends are in it for the right reasons. Yeah. And it's also like I think we all have the same hunger to find a new. language as well amongst ourselves as as next generation the way that William Defoe and Fran McDorm and you know like these people were kind of

cultural shape shifters and seekers and looking for ways to make film grow to the next point and I think we all are so kind of we all want that and are encouraging each other and like looking Harris doing what he's doing to kind of take a risk and find his language or Chloe or you know that's that's that we all are feeding a kind of something that can live beyond us as well and in the same way that the films that we've loved and inspired us have like changed who we are as artists and there's so many amazing creative people it's just like one it's so hard to make films yeah like it's impossible and It's a miracle.

Every, I always say, every good film is a miracle. And like we were saying, you know, you walk around telluride or TIF or LFF or LFF. And the, like, the landscape of people's imaginations and their singular imaginations, it's just so incredible that you can bottle into Chloe Zhao film, to Yochum Trir, to Jorgas Lanthamus and see that their perspective of the world is so singular and so full. And it's our responsibility as well. I feel like to keep that alive, you know. We can't homogenize and become the like kind of status quo

because of how many followers, you know. I think the people that we live around, we're not beholden to how many followers we have. We actually want to create something. Imagine that. And actually be good at what we do and not be quantified on what, how many people follow us. Like I think.

Because we might not have this like, like metaphor, like microphone for forever. Like, you know, like, you have an opportunity where we're working with the Chloe Jows of the world and they want, like, there's an obligation to, like, know what you want to say with the opportunity that you have. And how much you need a community to help you realize that. Like, none of us can do these things on our own. Yes.

Filmmakers take villages and, and that's where the, that's where the new, the, when there's a collision of ideas, that's when the new thought can come through. And that's great. And talk about like the non-homogenized kind of filmmaker. You worked with Maggie again, like getting a big canvas. Like it's a bigger film, but it sounds wild what the bride is going to be. I can only just from the few images I've seen it's bananas in a good way. You're excited?

I'm so excited. I had like such a wild creative time making that with her and Christian and with the whole team. And again, that's something. who is pushing the ceiling to like let a new language come through and Maggie is a punk through and through she's uncompromising she's brave and to play in a sandpit as big as that for both of us was just thrilling and yeah we need more women playing in those sandpits in order to like fill that space and I'm really excited I can't You've been collecting some of the greatest female filmmakers a lot for the last few years.

You're like a Greta and a Sophia away from like the box set of awesome female filmmakers of all time. You're doing good. You're doing good. I want to say also I've seen you both on stage. You're both remarkable. You've got some stuff like you're planning way ahead. You're 2027. I'm going to see you're two things.

Yeah, yeah, 27. Death for salesman, whistle in the dark. Yeah. So you're Biff. You're not Willie. You're not already. You're not a Willie staged quite yet. Let's see how the next two years I'll be bringing my suitcase on.

The greys are coming in, so they're coming in hard and fast. Who's your Willie? Is Jesse your Willie woman? I know who it is, and I'm not, I can't wait for the world. I am so excited. I'm so excited. You're telling me off mic, I need to know this. I'll tell you off, Mike, I'll tell you, it's, I've never, stage animal, amazing actor.

Yeah, I want to say it to about me. I'm not going to. It's Vin Diesel. He's cut. It's Vin Diesel. It's Vin Diesel. He has it. You got it right.

You didn't want. Some random stuff for you. Let's think. Last YouTube rabbit hole you went down. You guys, what's your distraction? Baseball. I'm huge into baseball these days. Our new point of connection, amazing.

I watched yesterday a half an hour video on what teams got the most dejections, what umpire gives the most dejections, what players have been. I know. Random. Yeah, I find it very soothing And I just love the sport Mine's a minor Mine's baby's getting x-rays

Which is like Oh, what? I'm sorry, but do look at it It is, they look really funny They go into like a tube And they don't know what they're doing And they're obviously It's like kind of, you know

Like Charlie in the chocolate factory When the thing gets sucked up The chocolate Yeah, of course Chocolate, yeah Chocolate's so weird Chocolate took the oven I did play Mike TV in my camp of production, so I'm an actor too, guys.

I know how to do what you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, two different kind of rabbit holes. Interesting. Any music recommendations? I always look to you, Mitzki, way back in the day, what's the latest? Do you look to Paul for music, Rex? Oh, Jesse, the music, but we...

Both of us. Oh, God. There's an artist I love the moment called Jake Minch. Okay Like a young artist Amazing songwriter Yeah I have no brain

Do you know that band I have no brain Chocolate sucky upy thing Hello Glassonbury I have no brain That's a kind of good band name I love Fontaine's DC

They're so Fontaine's DC are like They're fucking unbelievable Amazing I love them He's a poet He's a poet And like old school

Rocks Yeah yeah All right, we're going to end with this. The Happy Sake Confused Profanely, random questions. You've answered some of these before. I don't think I got to this last time, but collectively, let's do this thing. Are you dogs or cats? Where are you guys?

Dog. And you said it was such like, I mean, I'm with you, but like. I don't like cats. Fuck cats, honestly. Are you actively trying to ruin your employer? What was he said earlier? Coochella. Coochella.

Fuck cats. Cats are mean. Cats are mean. Drop this part. They're too clever. Yeah. I got like, when I, my husband, when I started dating him, he had two cats. This is bad.

So I'm going to get cancelled. But one of the cats was like a pedigree model, a bitch. And she staged like a coup against me. I come home and there would just be like poo on my pillow. And I was like, it's mere the cats. It's mere. She didn't like this interloper. This is my house.

No. And you took over with it. You won. What do you guys collect, if anything? I have an awful collection of, by mistake, mostly, but my measuring skills are atrocious. And the amount, there has been many times in my life where I thought I've ordered like a well-priced,

reclaimed wood chest of drawers. have cleared spaces in my room and I've watched the delivery van come and it's like this small size that's like this size oh I thought I was going to go the other way you couldn't fit into your home Oh no no they're like tiny

So I have a quite a good significant collection of tiny things and I do actually like tiny things like yeah so I have that's me I can't remember what I said last time I don't know I don't think I got one I'm not a big collector of things

You're not a hoarder that's okay Experiences Oh, I'm trying to like the cover. I'm trying to wheel backer of the shadow and cats. I'm just trying to wheel. Internet love me again. Love me. Please, please. A couple more quick ones.

This is the Dakota Johnson Memorial question. She asked me this. Would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt? Be in my ball. Yeah, absolutely. That's collective wisdom, yeah. Yeah, that's the correct answer. What's the wallpaper on your phone?

More baby. My girlfriend. Yeah. Last actor you were mistaken for, either of you? Vin Diesel. No. No, God, I don't know if I... Does it ever happen?

No. Yeah, that's it. I'll get that either. Worst noted director has ever given you. You gave me one, but let's see if you... Jesse, you have something? I think somebody told me I was like playing a complicated woman, obviously. That's her thing.

My niche. Exactly. And they told me not to be have guilt or or that I should have guilt and I just thought you've called the wrong woman I don't I mean I've got enough guilt I don't need to give any women any more guilt I would have to see your face when that note came in I could I could see it yeah love it okay and then finally in the spirit of happy second fuse an actor who always makes you happy you see them on screen you're instantly happier Harry Dean Stanton nice I like that

And Julietta Nazina. Okay. I know they're both dead. Even though he's like recently did the whole severance thing, even though Adam Scott is playing somebody incredibly different about Adam Scott is making me incredibly happy when I see him on screen. Love it. Um, movie that makes you sad. I know, I mean, you can go Blue Valentine or anything else. Blue Valentine.

Yeah. Is Blue Valentine for you too? Yeah. Okay. And finally a food that makes you confused. You don't get it. Why do people like that? Olives.

Yeah. That was you. yeah consistent at least there you go um of course like macaroni cheese oh come on no I'm sorry it's the beigeest experience wow that's now it's over it's screwed the press choice we said we hate I hate macaroni and Cheats and Coachella I want like a food like I don't want like a me look at his face he hates you now it's like like active, like disdain. I'm over it. We're going to end positive.

Your movie is remarkable. It will, it will change. It will affect people. It's like, like I said, it really affected me. And I was not alone in that audience and tell you ride. I can't wait to see it again. Congratulations. Enjoy the press tour.

And hopefully you guys aren't canceled. I apologize. I think you'll be okay. Yeah. Yeah. I hope so. I hope so. It's been good, though.

Look, we've had a great time. We can end on this north. Yeah. I'd be all right with that. Drop the mic. We did it. Thank you guys. Thanks, Josh.

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