Happy Sad Confused - Jodie Comer

Episode Date: April 23, 2019

Jodie Comer joins Josh to talk about her career making role in "Killing Eve", all the ups and downs that led to it, and why she's still living at home! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. Today on Happy Said Confused, Jody Comer on landing a career-making role, killing it on Killing Eve, and yet still living at home. Hey guys, I'm Josh Harrell. It's welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Welcome to a lovely, delightful conversation with a lovely, delightful conversation with

an up-and-comber by the name of Jody Comer, aka Villanelle on Killing Eve. If you've seen Killing Eve, you understand why, when given the opportunity, I jumped at the chance of talking to Jody. This is, as I said, a truly a career-making role. She is unbelievable on this show opposite Sandra O. It is in its second season.

It has already been renewed for a third season, and Jody just pops off the screen as this enigmatic, bizarre assassin. And it's the start, I think, of a very interesting, cool career. And it was a lovely opportunity to get to know Jody at this very interesting juncture for her. And as I said, as I ribbed her in the intro and as I rib her in the conversation, Jody is still living at home. I think she's about 26, so that's fine.

She's still figuring it out. She's got time. She's making it work. She's happy. If she's happy, I'm happy. So I really felt like I clicked with Jody immediately. I think you guys will get why. She has a great sense of humor and a good head on her shoulders and is so super talented

to boot. So I think you guys will enjoy this conversation very, very much. Elsewhere in the Josh Harowitz pop culture universe, well, we are on the eve of, I guess it has to be the movie event of the year. I mean, we do have the rise of Skywalker in December, but until then, it's got to be all about Avengers Endgame. Avengers Endgame, of course, is the 22nd Marvel Cinematic Universe film. It is the culmination of phase three in the first three phases of the Marvel films. Don't worry, no spoilers here, but guys, I just saw it. I just saw movie. I really can't say anything. I don't want to say anything except to say

this will, I think this will live up to your expectations. I mean, you know, I avoided spoilers. They are out there, be wary out there. I would just recommend avoiding as much information at all costs. You've waited this long. Why ruin it now? It's an emotional film. It's an epic film. And that's kind of all I want to say. I want to talk to you guys after we all see it. So there'll be weeks and weeks of conversation about this movie because there are major events in this film. But just know that it's, I think it's going to live up to the hype for a lot of people. You know, I have quibbles like I did with the Infinity War, but for the most part, I'm happy, and I think a lot of people will be. So look forward to that. We'll talk

about that on this podcast in the weeks to come. But also, I did get a chance to talk to the Avengers end-game cast, or at least most of them recently. And we've posted a couple fun pieces of video from that that a lot of you have probably seen by now. Some of you haven't seen. If you haven't checked them out, I highly recommend it because it really shows off their wit and charm and camaraderie.

I've socialized them on my Twitter feed and my Instagram feed, but if you want to just go to MTV News's YouTube page, that's the best place to check them out. I played a fun game of Most Likely 2 with the cast, And then a game we called Name That Avenger in which I had the cast look at extremely close-up images of their fellow Avengers body parts and guests. And hilarity ensued my friends. It's very, very funny.

They were, yeah, they had a ball with it. So I highly recommend those. We're also rolling out some flashback clips. I've been talking to these guys literally from the beginning of these films. I was at the Iron Man One Junkett. I interviewed Downey and Favreau and Gwyneth. I remember, and yes, and Terence Howard back then. And so I go all the way back to the beginning of this crazy saga of Marvel films.

So we're going to roll out some early interviews I did with the main players on, again, MTV News's social channels. So look out for those. And I guess that that's all there is to say right now. I guess I want to say, I hope you enjoy this conversation with Jody Comer. There are no spoilers in it. We taped this a couple weeks back when she was in town. For context, I will say the third season of Killing Eve had just been announced when she walked into my office, like literally that morning, like an hour or two before. So I congratulate her on that.

There are no spoilers for this season, really. I think we allude to some events in the first two episodes, but nothing very specific. And by now, I think we're on to the third episode in real time anyway. So no spoilers here. If you've seen the show, I think you're going to enjoy this. If you haven't seen the show, you're probably going to be delighted by Jody and want to check it out. It's on BBC America. Go seek it out.

If you haven't yet, I binge the first season in no time. And I guess enjoy this conversation with Jody. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to Happy Second Fused. Spread the Good Word. And here is Jody Coney. Here we go. Can you feel the magic in the air, Jody? It's...

The tingles are there. On the fingertips. I can feel it. I think the tingles are there because as we tape this, breaking news. We actually just seen it in the lift on the way off here.

Oh, really? Yeah, there was like a little television screen and it was like, breaking news. They broke into CNN in the middle to say, forget the world falling apart. The good news is killing Eve is Coming back for season three. Respect, guys. Everyone. Hold on to your hats.

Yeah. Were you given the tip off before this announcement? You must have. Yeah. You're a good actor. You can keep these secrets. Yeah, we're sworn to secrecy. Only like a couple of days ago, though. That was Sunday. Yeah, it's lovely.

That makes this press go-around all the smoother, knowing that there's an appetite and interest in more. Well, it answers the very popular question of, are we getting a series three? There you go. Now we don't have to answer that anymore. I'll stop off my wish. I have nothing left.

What do you want to talk about, Jody? Are you sick of yourself yet? You're everywhere. You are dominating the pop culture landscape at the moment. I feel like everywhere I look, there's Jody. Yeah. Are you sick of me? Yeah.

That's not what I was trying to get at. No. Insecure actors. Jesus. No. No, I know what you mean. It's been a crazy year. Yeah.

But lovely, celebratory, you know? It's, and I feel like it's a much. important to embrace it and be grateful for it. But, yeah, I know what you mean. Is this what you imagined success would feel like? I mean, you were successful already before killing Eve. You were a working actor. You were doing fine, well, happy, I assume.

But this is another level of success. This doesn't happen very often, as you well know. What's been surprising in the last year? What's kind of like, oh, I didn't anticipate that goes along with? Oh, I think I've just, I've never been a part of a show before that has had as huge a response as this has. Oh, God. I mean, does it affect day-to-day life right now? I mean, it does it.

Like, it's fine. When you're back into your real life, does it really? Yeah, it's okay. Like, if there's anything that's changed remotely, it's like a handful more people may approach me in the street. or just pull a curious, confused face at me, as it to say, is it her? Right. You know, but other than that,

it's, life is normal and as it was, which is, you know, how you wanted to be. I mean, you came in here with 30 people, which I found a little bit odd. And they're all literally sat in the room listening. Yeah, she didn't. She travels light. She's basically a one-woman band.

But, I mean, what do you remember about, I guess, the first, the, the, So about a year, when, when did the first series of debut? Was it about a year ago? Oh, yes. Yeah, it must have been this time, this time last year. So what was that first press tour like? I mean, did you have an inquiries?

A lot quieter than this one. Yeah, because this was a word of mouth show. Yeah, of course. And, you know, Fleabag, I think, had recently come out on the state. So there was a buzz around Phoebe and Sandra, you know, who's incredibly respected and well-known. And other than most, that, you know, there wasn't really a telltale sign of what, you know, what was extra special

or unique about the show. So we had a little bit of press, but it wasn't, you know, a tremendous amount, whereas this year, because there is so much expectation now and people are, you know, huge fans of the show. There's been a little bit more of that, which is fun. So setting a foot on the set for season two, you have comfort in that you know that people are going to be there waiting to watch it, and maybe there's also some, quote-unquote, pressure, expectations. Yeah, nervousness, absolutely. Was there?

Yeah, I think so. I think when we started filming series two, season, what series season, I always got told off for saying series. I think it's class here to say, no, but I like series. Let's do it your way. Okay, thank you. That's usually what I do. Yeah, okay. It's not aluminum in this room.

It's not aluminum in this room. It's aluminum and Siri. and schedule. Yes, schedule. So when series one was going out in the UK, we were filming series two and we'd be filming on the street

and there would just be crowds of people kind of watching and that's when we realized the just kind of the size that the show had gotten to and well I think as well because it was fresh in everyone's minds in the UK but you've just got to really try and which is easy when you've got you know like eight scripts to learn and you've got a full film schedule it's it's a lot easier to forget about the future and the expectation and what are people going to think by necessity i've got i have to yeah i have no other choice which is nice and then obviously when it's time for the for the for the air date that's when those feelings kind of start to creep in but i guess it's like that double edge sword you know it's it's fantastic

to be a part of a show that is thus successful, but then there is so much expectation. You feel like there is a bar that needs to be, to be met. Right. Do you remember, like, can you pinpoint when the shift happened in terms of like, there are eyeballs on this to, oh, wait, this is like, this is kind of becoming a major obsession in pop culture right now?

Like, was there a discernible moment where you realized that? I mean, I think for me, It was Halloween. The costumes came out? When all the Villanelle costumes came out and I was like, what is going on? I mean, I loved it. I was like so kind of taken back. But I think that was a huge moment because it was like, whoa, this is kind of turned into an iconic little piece and it's, you know, and also like the fan art.

Yeah. Because that struck me too because like, you know, I suppose. to Jordan Peel recently. And that's sort of how you realized, like, get out was like, okay, it's a hit, sure. But it's like in the consciousness when the people take it in and then like, and then put something out. Yeah. And what I loved as well, there was so many people who like, there was one girl in particular

is that like she'd given up drawing and like she was, you know, it's like that moment in your life where, you know, if a teacher might be like if you're not, they don't, you know, they think you're not as good as it to succeed. you may be told to think of something else and she said she'd kind of like stopped drawing and then she watched the show and was inspired and and then when and and and drew and it was just like it's just so nice to know that you've connected with an audience in that way and they feel compelled to to like give you something back amazing it's so special yeah and they're incredible what's the what's yeah exactly what's i say you posted a bunch of it

on yeah i went a bit crazy well you got excited it's exciting yeah i know i was like ah if you get blasé about it that's a bad sign yeah oh another 300 paintings of me yeah whatever another portrait ya yawn no never they're so brilliant what's is there a typical reaction when people when it clicks in their brain like oh i and i clocked her i know who she is um are they wary or are they excited no well usually i think that just the thing to do now isn't it in this day and age? It's like, some people don't even say hello. They just say, can I have a picture?

Oh, I see, you got it, got it. And you're like, hello, my name is Trudy. It's good if they even say, can I have a picture? Let's be frank. No, that's actually very, very true. They just move in. Sometimes that just happens, yeah. I love it when people forget to turn their flash off.

That's sweet. Not so subtle. And you're blinded. Yeah, but no people are usually just, you know, want to speak about the show and, but yeah there are a few people that are maybe a little bit cautious at first but I like to believe that the majority of people can make the separation of real life

and the ones that can't yeah although recently I did ask someone did ask me to to strangle them oh sweet what was your response are you wanted to remember no sorry thank you though

well in 30 years if the career hasn't turned out well You show up at conventions to murder people for a price. We'll see what happens. Have you seen any tattoos? Have people tattooed going on? I have actually. Not a villainel.

No one has done that yet, to my disappointment. I'm sure people have done that. You just haven't seen it yet. I'm waiting. This is where I take off my shirt and I show you the full villainy tattoo. Surprise. Is this weird for you? I'm sorry.

Oh my God. No, if someone got Sorry Baby tattooed onto them. That's pretty cool. It was so cool. I was like, you're crazy, but in the best possible way, like, you know, that's, I don't know if I love anything enough to get it tattooed on my body. I was just going to ask, what, growing up, was there something you were so obsessed with that, like, on one drunken night, you might have ended up with a Harry Potter tattoo or something? I mean, Spice Girls, maybe. I would have really regretted that.

I actually, through my teens, I was a huge fan of the band The Cooke's. Oh, okay. And my favorite song was naive. And I had this really bad idea. Like through my teens, I was like, I really want the word just naive just on the back of my neck. You have to say it like that too. Was that a peek at Jody at 16? I was like, that would be like so cool.

Thankfully, someone smarter in your life said. Yeah. Jody, that wouldn't be so cool. It's not happening. Speaking of playing it cool, I can't. No, no, I was going to say that. I was at, um, I was like doing like the Golden Globes thing and I went to a couple parties and I saw you at a couple of parties from a distance. I didn't approach and I didn't want to

show you my full body tattoo yet. Um, but my guess my question is were you playing? Because now you're getting to go to these cool things and you're like not just invited to the party. You deserve to be at the party. Yeah. So like have you been able to kind of enjoy being welcomed into this kind of rarefied air? Are these kind of crazy like cool parties and stuff? Like has that been surreal for you? Yeah. Oh my God. Totally surreal. Yeah. It's just you always feel out to play so you're like, why am I here again? Like, you know, it's just because it's a new, it's a new thing. What I loved about that was that, you know, we were there for a reason.

I don't really go to parties for the sake of, like, show and face or, like, I will go to something if there is a reason for me to be there. Right. And the Golden Globes was amazing, you know, especially to have Phoebe and Sandra there, who was hosting and a lot of the producers and the cast and stuff. So it's always nice to be in those moments. because they're the moments where you can kind of relax and celebrate it.

Yeah. Have you, are you the type person that go up to people that you're an admirer of or no? No. No. I can't. Just because I, honestly,

like, not that there's anything wrong with approaching people, but I know sometimes how, it is nice that people do, but I know sometimes how it makes me feel if I'm like in the middle, I don't know if I'm having a bad day or, you know, something,

and sometimes it can kind of throw me off of kilter. so I don't usually like to just to interrupt. I understand. I don't know. Maybe it comes from a place of understanding in a way. Who would it be tough to restrain yourself from approaching? Who are, who are, who's on the Mount Rushmore for Jody, whether it's in acting? Is it like, if it's like Kate Blanchets across the room, I'm like, I'm not going to be able to restrain myself.

Well, Dick Van Dyke, I think was at the good, no, you don't expect that. I was not, okay. He was at the, um, I think it was at the, um, I think it was. was the golden gloves and and that that was a real moment of kind of gasp like I wish I could right um I used to be I like musicals were like my life growing up what kind of so like everyone and I actually went to see Chicago last night as well so I'm like reliving this this kind of moment right now um so yeah I um who else would I really love to meet. Would you be more excited to meet Gary Oldman or Lisa Vanderpump?

Gary Oldman. Okay, good. Because I was reading you were into reality shows. I was just making sure. I'm all for a real housewife. Don't get me wrong. But no. I like to, no. Good. Okay, good. That was your test because you were about to be ejected from my office. No, like, I like watching those shows to, like, kill my brain cells. Because sometimes I feel like you just have to do that. But yes. Okay. So you mentioned, this is a good segue into a little. Jody. You mentioned musical theater. Yes. So, okay, so early,

so you were into... Yeah. Into everything and everything music? Yeah, I used to do singing, dance, and drama. You were performing? You were watching. Yeah, performing. I was... I went to, like, a local drama school where I did, like, an hour of dance, singing and drama.

I used to be a good dancer, actually, but I was always quite small and in proportion, and then I went through a great spirit, and now I'm just a bit, like, a bit, like, all limb. I'm a bit lanky. She's still filling out her body. She's still figuring out what goes where. She just can't quite like, doesn't know where to put up.

Her arms are flailing about right now. It's really actually worrisome. Yeah, so that's... Watch it. Jesus. So it's getting older. I just getting older. I just was more drawn to drama

because I enjoyed it a bit. I enjoyed it a little bit, a bit more. But when I was younger, I was like, you know, when I'm 18, I'm going to move to... Mom, I'm moving to London, and then I'm going to be on the west end. The moment was like, okay. And then as I got older,

I just kind of gravitated more to drama. And sadly, my love for musical theater kind of subsided. It never went. Right. It just. You reprioritized. You decided. Yeah.

But now that you've seen Chicago again, you've got your dancing shoes back on and you're ready to... They're on right now. I'm ready. Conquer the world. So do you sing? Yeah, I'm not bad. Yeah?

Okay. I'm all right. Okay. You know what I mean? The inevitable musical episode of Killing Eve is now... It's on its way. It's on its way. Spoiler.

No, I wish. That's season eight. That's when you jump the shark. We always said, actually, God, it would be kind of cool to do it a musical. Kind of feels like that's the only thing we're missing is a song and dance. In a weird way, a show like yours could kind of do something bizarre like that and get away with it somehow. Yeah. Okay.

So, so when do you get, really serious about acting like when are you like mom dad no this is for real this is not a joke i think it was when i did a radio drama at home i got sent for that audition um by my drama teacher through my secondary school i was only like 12 13 at the time though and i was like four days recording in manchester for this radio play and i just loved it so much and my mom chaperined me and there were other actors of, like, local soap dramas at home. And they were like, you know, if you've enjoyed this so much, you can do this, like, if you're lucky enough, every day.

Yeah. And, like, I was like, wow, it just blew my mind. And an actress kindly introduced me to her agent and put me in touch with a photographer to get some head shots taken. And then it all kind of snowballed from there, really. And my parents have always just been so encouraging. They've always took a backseat, but I've always lit. Was there a plan B?

Was like once the last time you've never had to work other jobs? You kind of since you were. Well, I worked at a supermarket, like through my teens. I also worked at a bar. A supermarket was kind of excruciating because I had been doing odd acting jobs in between that. And so I just had this drive and this. knowledge of like I can do this if I could taste it you were almost there and I was just like oh if it still felt so far out of um out of reach but did bring your characters to work did you ever

decide to bring one of your uh my your gigs one of your acting uh one of your performances into the supermarket for practice I didn't I wish I did no I feel like that's a missed opportunity could have showed them all what was made of No, I mean, the supermarket's a tough place. I can imagine. You know, have you heard of secret shoppers? I know the word secret and shoppers, but not together. So they used to send secret shoppers in to, like, analyze you without you knowing.

Wow. And then if you did a bad job, they would close off your till, and they would have a little word with you about it. Did that ever happen to you? Yes, it did, because the majority of the time, I did a Saturday and Sunday shift, like, for this was when I was like probably around 16 I was out probably both days of that weekend so nine times out of 10 I was probably hung over um so yeah it's a tough old world the the supermarket business built character yes absolutely it's what so what's the what's the job that kind of um is there a quote-unquote big break is there is there a role that felt like um was a major shift for you

do you know what I feel like every job has contributed in some way I did a drama in the UK called 13 which was for the BBC and that was like my first lead role and it was on that that I learned about not just the importance of like doing you know

your work, you're acting but also the responsibility that you have leading a cast and you know the importance of the way you treat the crew your morale because I feel like whoever is

leading the show, their energy is just ripples right through. So I think I learned that from that job. And then I feel like killing Eve has been a breakout in its own way because I feel like I don't know, I feel like now people are like

I always say taking me seriously, but I feel like people are kind of paying attention. Whereas before I think they weren't really sure what I was about which is like fine because I you know, I'd been, like, predominantly in the UK and, you know, all of my work has been television, so, but I guess now I feel that people have enjoyed and seen something that I've done and, and I know, yeah. Well, not only is it just like the larger platform that more people are seeing it, but it's like, beyond it being a great show, it's, you know, selfishly for you, it's like an amazing audition tape.

Like, like, it shows how many different things you can do. Yeah, I guess you're right. It's that I remember when I first read the script and just thinking, oh God, whatever actress gets this is just going to have the most fun. You know, to be able to play kind of however many different characters within a six-month period is such a luxury and keeps it fresh for me and challenges me

in ways in which I haven't been challenged before. I think you're right. That's what's so unique about this character is. it feels like many all tied into one. Did you have a, like, a read on her from day one? Did you, even from the audition or from the first day on set, did it feel like there was anything that was like reverberating in your brain, like a secret way into this character, that, like a guiding principle, no?

Honestly, I felt like I was, like, fumble on my way through till, like, midway. I'm very lucky and grateful that Phoebe was on set for a lot of the start of the show. and she really encouraged me to take risks and also challenge me in a way of I may have been playing a certain emotional and she would tell me to flip her completely on its head which would sometimes throw my instinct out of the window and I'd have to kind of find my way

but when I did I and it all started to click everything made sense a little bit more and then I felt like I started to find her and then Phoebe said as she could see me becoming more comfortable and she would watch the rushes back and see takes and see things that I was doing choices I was making and then she would then incorporate them into the later episode so honestly like until midway through I felt like I didn't know what I was doing yeah which sounds crazy because you're like that's halfway through a project and you're on

television saying you know saying that you don't know what means your instincts were right clearly even if you didn't maybe intellectualize what you were doing yeah I think as well just the tone of The show was very new to me. I'd only ever done... It's new to everybody. Yeah. It's not... That's what makes it so special.

It's kind of like having trust in it and... And just daring to push moments and take risks, I think, is ultimately what I learn on this job in particular. I know, like, the stock question for you is kind of like, why do we love this character? Like, why are people connecting with her? Yeah. I don't really have an answer. I don't know if you have a stock answer at this point or something you actually believe

because it does feel like there's some weird wish fulfillment that we obviously don't want to kill people but we do like want to live life without consequence. That's exactly what it is. There is a fearlessness within her and that lack of consequence, she is so free. You know, if you just don't think about the awful horrific things that she does for one second.

I think there's something really admirable about that and also something that is extremely attractive I feel like when I meet people within my own life who are so comfortable within their own skin you cannot be, you cannot help but be drawn to them. Yes. I also feel as though she is relatable sometimes.

She makes decisions and sometimes they are awful but you see why she did it. And I think I don't. Just, I love, honest to God, I just love her. I know you do, and I love that, because I've heard you talk about this, and I appreciate any actor that's, like, openly, like, as much of a fan of their own show as, like, other people. It's, like, it reminds me, like, to name drop, like, I've done a bunch of, like, Sam Jackson. Sam Jackson, like, is the biggest fan of Sam Jackson movies. Yeah, like, you know?

Like, just, like, it's cool. It's okay to be a fan of the work. Well, I think I... Egotistical, you're just, you're still a fan of fun stuff. Yeah, and I think I have so much fun playing it. Yeah. You know, there was moments of like, you know, like the silly things of like where she shouts take me to the hall.

I remember before I was doing it. By this point, I got to a point where I just didn't care. You know, I was like, and I remember the crew came in for a rehearsal, and I just belted it out and screamed it and, like, all, you know, it was just like, Jody at the start of the show would have really held back and not, and been worrying about this moment. that is really out there and crazy

and how far do I push it and how, you know, where do I need to rain it in and do the end of the series was, you know, kind of out there blazing glory ready to take it all on and I noticed that shift within myself but I think that also comes from a trust within

a director. Like I've spoke a lot about this lately because everyone's like, how do you find the balance? Yeah. And it's something that within the moment you can't really judge or think about, I don't think. And I think Damon Thomas in particular

is incredible about, he's just so brilliant at creating a safe space and in, you know, making you feel okay to make silly, bold choices. And if you fall flat on your face, it's fine. We just won't speak about it. Exactly. You trust that one end up in the final.

Yeah, exactly. Well, that's the other thing. Gatherton is another huge part of performance, isn't it? Yeah. Now, do you, I mean, how do you kind of rationalize what's been, like, this crazy year? Like, in that, like, two years ago, if I was speaking to you, again, you're working, you're in a bunch of different series, but, like, now you're, like, hailed as, like, the next, whatever. And it's, like, are you a better actor than you were two years ago, or is it simply

the opportunity is now there? Did you get the right opportunity? it's hard to judge because I think you're always growing and learning but I just feel like I've always known I've had it in me there's been so many

roles that I've gone for and for the right reasons I've not got them but I've always believed that I could you know because some people see villain at me play Villanelle and they're like I just would never have thought it and I'm like but that you're right in saying that's because the opportunity hasn't

came across for me to show it. The nature of your business is someone needs to take a chance. Exactly. Or people need to see it to believe it. Yeah. You know, like, it's very rare that someone will, people will see someone do something. And then because they've seen you do that, they will then offer you another role, which is kind of the exact same thing.

Well, that's the good news about this role is it's going to be very hard for you to be typecast because there aren't many people like this. I feel like I've seen it on screen. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like she, because a lot of people would say, oh, you know, did you watch any other assassin movies or base her or anyone? And I was like, no, I couldn't. I didn't feel like I could because I felt like she was in her own kind of league. Like, she wasn't like anyone I'd read before. When it's a day on Sen, you look at the sides, are you more excited about a day where there's a kill involved or a bunch of eating involved?

The kills. We eat it. Less nausea. I love eating. This is what I heard. Don't get me wrong. Like, I can bouch for that.

I love eating. Are we talking just generally eating and life? Yeah, just life. Who does? Who would say, like, I'm not a big fan of eating? I know, but what I also enjoy about doing that on screen is my biggest pet peeve is like, you know, when you're watching a show or a film and there's like an actress flicking a peer around the plate or an actor, like, and then I get so drawn into the fact that

they're avoiding eating the food that I can't concentrate. on the scene you know what i mean like food is something we enjoy in life and i feel that when when killing you come out everyone was like she's eating so much and it's like she's probably she's just eating she's just eating like a normal person would but we don't really enjoy it or see it on camera yeah um you're you're the brad pitt school of eating have you seen all the how brad pitt loves to eat on camera yeah but there's something also very kind of just natural about i mean it's hard because like we had a scene in serious too with pastor and I was eating pasta from like 9 o'clock in the morning until 6 p.m.

Yeah, that can take a toll. Yeah, it was grim. It was really, really grim. Yeah, get to stretch her out for Jody. She needs a few. Yeah, it was so bad. But the kills, on the other hand. There's no consequence except for your psychiatrist here down the road.

They're so exciting also because we have a lot. this luxury now where we have these incredible actors who want to come in to the series just for a couple of episodes and they want to die and you know I get to do do your thing I have that honor yeah um so I always find that I'm in you know I meet these people for like such brief amounts of time but we get to do this kind of crazy you know whatever this the storyline may be. It's a lot of fun. And I think as well, what we've tried to continue within the second series is that the kills aren't predictable. You know, there's always something surprising. I think that's why they're enjoyable. Are you still living

at home, Judy? Yes. Yes. No, I didn't mean to sound judgey. You did? Yeah. I felt judged. Well, no, look if you're happy. I'm so happy. Then good. She's happy, guys. I'm so I'm just saying No listen I'm at this point now in my life where there's just not enough room for me in-house

mainly because I spend so much time away that I'm like a hoarder and I like to collect things and then I bring all my stuff back to my room and then I pack a bag and then I leave again and so

I'm just at a part of my life where I'm like I wouldn't want to buy a house in Liverpool because I live with my parents in Liverpool. And if I was in Liverpool, that's the only place I would want to be. Sure, that makes sense. I like London. I don't love it.

Okay. But that makes, sorry, I just like a therapy session. Continue, please, yeah. I like London. I don't love it, but that makes the most sense. So at the minute, I'm just kind of floating around. I'm just going to wait and see what the world. What the universe offers up?

L.A., New York? No, not L.A. No. Good answer. No. I like New York. Come here. You can do song and dance.

I know, but that's a long way from home. It's not that far. You don't be far. Yeah, no, I'm sure I would be fine, but I'm going to see. I'm going to see the next couple of years where I'm kind of drawn to, and then I'll make a decision. So you're needless to say at a very exciting time where not only is there also attention on killing Eve, but you're starting to reap the rewards and getting to do other exciting things. You're going to be working with Sean Levy, very strong.

sweet guy. He's like the nicest human being on the planet. He kind of is. Isn't me though really like when you meet him? You're like, oh, this is, he's great. Yeah, he's a cool, good, cool dude. And Ryan Miltz is all right too, I guess. Yeah.

No, he's lovely. This is gonna be like your first film? Yeah. That's kind of crazy. It is. It's mad because it's, again, like something you're saying, like, I've always, I've wanted to do it for so long and believe that I could, but it's never, never. happened and I always felt that like when I had the opportunity to I'd probably like you know be coming into a scene and asking for a coffee and then making a swift exit and so to have this opportunity and to work with with Sean and and and Ryan and have a character that is again so colorful and dynamic and has such a huge um part of of this story is it's going to be a whole new experience for me you know which I'm I'm super excited anxious

nervous. And sounds like a high concept kind of crazy thing. Yeah. The video game world, real world. Yeah, so there's like two versions of her. There's Millie in the real world and Molotov, the avatar in the game, is a total contrast to who she is, which I think is a big reflection of the way we are now as a society, you know, with social media and, you know, who we kind of portray ourselves as and. Sure. Yeah.

Getting deep now. Yeah, no, I like it. I like it. It's super deep. Who is the Jody on Twitter? Oh, I'm not very good on Twitter. I do a lot of retweet and shameless self-promotion, actually.

I just, I don't, it's such a hard, it's such a hard, it's such a hard balance because I, I always get really annoyed when, like, people are, like, posting what they had for breakfast and, you know, it's the balance of what, what are people actually interested in, in listening to or, you know, hearing and what is too much? And also, just not. We need to know every little nitty group.

Each bowl of pasta, you can, assume in the next season as you're going maybe that'll keep you keep you alive yeah yeah hey guys I'm suffering for you yes but Twitter's there's so much opinion on Twitter I've found I've learned the hard way I really have been skinned or does it box you know but I will like I will go out of my way to find something negative about myself like that's the type of person I am you know I'm like why am I doing this oh no I'm already here and look at this awful look at this awful tweet like that's that's the that's what I have been known to do um so I I try and you know took a step back from moderation yeah uh what accent do you get to adopt for the new role do

you get to do an American how's your yeah American yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what version of American what's just a general American just flat Kardashian American basically basically yeah I've modeled it on Kim yeah um yeah so So no, that's exciting. And is the, is the Kenneth Brathe thing happening? Do we know where that's at? No, it's not, sadly. Yeah, because of conflicts of, yeah, schedule, which is, I'm gutted.

But yeah, that kind of came out before anything had been like, set in stone. And then I had to have that awkward thing. I'm like, no, actually, I'm not, I'm not anymore. Look, these are good problems to have. Yes, no, absolutely, absolutely. Well, good luck with series two. I almost said season two, like an ugly American, like a disaster. disgusting heathen that I am.

Yeah, I couldn't believe that. I'm sorry. Good luck with series two. I've seen the first two episodes. They're excellent. Oh, thank you. I can't wait to check out the rest. We know season series three.

I did it again, Jody. Boom. Get out of the stage. What? Where did that come from? Is that your actual voice? That's your real voice? Is it mean girls?

What's that? I think it's off mean girls. Oh, really? Yeah, I just quoted mean girls. Very clever. Have you seen the Mean Girls musical? I haven't. It's good.

I've seen it. I recommend it. I should check that out on here. Yeah. Look to me for all your musical theater recommendations. I will. And good luck escaping the house at home. I'm happy if you're happy.

I just want you to be happy. That's all I want for you. Honestly, I am. It's like the best place for me to be. And my mom is the most in sight and cock. So that's the, let's be honest. That's the main. Yeah, that's the most important thing, basically, to be well fed.

Being fed well. Yeah. It's good to get to know you today, Judy. You too. And I'll see you at the theater. Yes. See you at the theater. See you in Mean Girls.

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