Happy Sad Confused - Jodie Comer & Austin Butler

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

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and when you feel the click of reality. Right. And you feel that connection brewing in a way. It's a great feeling. It's like when we first met, I remember they're basically describing our first meeting. You're cheating on me with Jody and I hate you for. I'm a third wheel. I'm a third wheel today.

Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. I'm Josh Horowitz. And today on Happy, Sad, Confused, this is like an all-star edition of the podcast. Two of my favorites are here. I'm obsessed with this film. The bike riders is the movie. Jody Comer, Austin Butler.

Only one of you can win this competition. You're going to fight to the death for the love of happy, say, I confused today, okay? Okay. No pressure. Yeah. I can't leave my fighting clothes on. No, truly, congratulations. I think you both know I'm a big, big fan of this film.

And you've been working it. You've been traveling the world on behalf of this one. How are you doing? How are you remaining upright and coherent? What's your level of cognition right now? I'm good. It's like the last final two days. Yeah, final two days. We had the premiere in L.A. a couple nights ago, which was super fun.

This probably took the energy down a little bit just for the late night and the early flight. But we're good. It's been fun. Yeah, I never really know where I am these days. Yeah, you're in New York. I'm in New York now. Yeah. We're in a weird box in Midtown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally. It's a very aesthetic box.

Thank you. I did my best. The L.A. Premier, I think, brought out everyone from Cher to Jason Momoa. Yeah, that was pretty interesting. Karen Sharon Stone as well was there. Sharon Stone was there. And the most incredible full leopard outfit I seen actually afterwards. I didn't see her in person, but I was like, that woman. Did you get some share time?

Did you get some Mamoa time? I saw both. Yeah. Did you know they're coming? Is that like you look around the corner, you're like? I knew Jason was coming. Yeah. Because he, we had talked about this.

I was with him in Brazil for, was it Comic-Con that we did in Brazil? Oh, yeah, the, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Comic-Connish thing, yeah. And so he and I hung out there, and he said he was excited about the film. And I said, you got to come to the premiere.

And so he rode up with all his, you know, his crew. And, yeah, so I see, yeah, Momoa was the first person I saw when I got out of the car. And he'd ridden up with his, with all his crew and his wonderful daughter. And, yeah, so it was great to see him. He and I had talked about the film, and we were in Brazil together. Oh, nice. And then Share. That was pretty amazing.

Yeah. I mean, that's one of those things. That's not on the bingo card. You're like, I'm going to just hang with Cher at my movie premiere. I also, like, I have such regrets because I didn't, I couldn't bring myself to go over because I was so, I don't know. I was like, I couldn't believe it was her, but Austin and Norman did. And I regret that, no. There will come a day.

There were. Well, maybe not. What did you want to say? Is it moonstruck? Is it, is there a specific? specific role? Is it just like, which is of Eastwick? Like, what's the Cher? I mean, yeah. Like, just share, full stop. Like, there's no, you know, full stop. I think of Cher and Sam Elliott on a motorcycle. Oh, yeah, mask. The sexiest couple. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. What was the show that

she did in the 70s? Oh, well, the Sonny and Cher show. Right. Right. I mean, those clips. Like, I'm just obsessed with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. It makes me think of thinking of icon. I think the last time I saw you in person, Austin, we're having a nice conversation at the Dune premiere, the party. Yeah. And then this guy rolls up, Sting, who wants to meet you, pushes me aside. I get it. What was that like to finally meet Sting?

Was that, were you anticipating that moment? At some point, you must have known that was going to happen. He was there until I was on the carpet, and somebody in an interview said that he was there. And again, I mean, there's these certain people who are beyond icons. Share, Sting, and also Sting had played the same role, so getting to celebrate with him. And he was, what a gentleman, what a absolute class act. Did he give you the Fade Secret Handshake, the thumbs up?

What did he say? He just gave me a hug, and that was all I needed. That's it, mission accomplished. Yeah, these press doors are always funny, like, what is entailed. Again, like, I can't imagine, like, Indy 500, does that feel like you're a total fish out of water? again like that's not your speed no pun intended i feel like you intended that pun josh you were ready to go with that one um yeah i think we both did like it was a whole new jody looked completely at home you you looked like you were born there i know once they gave me

the flag i was like okay i was like but we were nervous because like we just got so many chats throughout the day of like do not drop it basically don't F this up because you will never live it down and it will be on camera for the rest of your lives. Then we had to climb up that tiny yet ginormous It was narrow but very tall ladder. It was a lot but it went well

And it was exhilarated. We didn't drop the flags We didn't drop the flags I think they were happy with our service Mission accomplished not only great performances in a film but a great press store. Well done more important than the actual performance What I loved I mean honestly they kicked us off the tower oh yeah yeah yeah they were ready for us to go we kind of wanted to yeah we stayed for maybe 10 laps and then and then the gentleman up there he goes yeah we're good

he says watch your step on the way down and that's how he told us to you like okay but we were also like well we heard jack nichols stayed up here for a hundred lapses and we knew it was our cue to leave when he kindly told us basically not to trip on the i thought that would be great if if you throw a party at your house and you just say just watch your step on the way out and that's how you close the party down this reminds me you know you guys know i've done live events with jody and i'm with you austin i did one the other night with kevin costner for horizon oh man i've never seen this cool move done before it by some people you might feel like it's like a jerk move but with kevin concerter it was perfect i ask a question about 45 minutes in and he's like i think we've taken up

enough time of the audience tonight guys i want you all to just and he gives like this like amazing monologue about the film and then before i knew it like he had wrapped my panel i was like that's a movie star move that's like a what a way to take control i know and i was kind of like in awe i was like not annoying like yeah you're kevin coster you have the you can do that that's amazing Josh this has been a great podcast thank you i think we've taken up enough of your time that is not the lesson to take away from this show that um all right let's give some love to this movie um the bike riders jeff nichols fantastic uh writer director an amazing ensemble this has like all my spirit animals And in addition to you guys, Michael Shannon, my obsession, Tom Hardy, the best.

Talk to me about, like, obviously this relationship and a lot of people are talking about, like, the chemistry between you two. And it is palpable on screen. Like, how do you prepare for that? Like, do you like to be kind of spontaneous on set or do you like to spend a lot of time with your co-star kind of figuring it out beforehand? I mean, I love a bit of spontaneity. I also feel like you're not always afforded the luxury of spending time with your co-stars and getting to know them an awful lot. Austin and I had gone for dinner with Jeff a couple of days before we started, which was really lovely. But yeah, and I think as well, you just, Austin had just come off June the week, like day before he was filming Dune and then came to Cincinnati.

So time was of the essence in that respect, so we just kind of had to jump in. but I think we work in very similar ways, and it was just very easy, yeah. I remember we did our podcast over Zoom while you were shooting, as I recall. You were in Cincinnati. I was in the middle, you're still in the middle of not only coming off of Dune,

but like the press tour, the insane press door of Elvis. So was that a respite in a way? Like, oh, this is what I actually do. I can focus up on this. Yeah, it's nice when you kind of get away from the noise of everything. It's, it's, I love this process because, We're getting to celebrate the film you get to celebrate.

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in Cincinnati you know doing it yeah doing the thing I know this, you've had a lot of conversation about kind of like the meeting, the first meeting between your characters in the film. And I heard Jeff say something like to the effect that he knew that moment had to be like one of the most erotic moments in film ever. Wow. Did he say that to you beforehand? Because that must. That's a lot of pressure. That's a lot of pressure.

No, he didn't say that to me either. But I think what we felt was like you spend such a limited amount of time with Benny and Kathy. Yeah. And that meeting was something she spoke very excited. explicitly about and it felt integral to understand where this all began. Like, why? Why did she go there? Why did, you know, why did she kind of choose this avenue and, you know, yeah.

There's a lot of unbroken eye contact in that first meeting. There's a fine line I feel like between romance and unbroken eye contact and creepiness in unbroken eye contact. Like a certain, like, five seconds great, 20 seconds. Too long. Call somebody. Call for help. Like is that a choice?

Is that like we're just going to kind of like lean in and see like how long we can kind of sustain these like silent moments? Because it's almost the pauses in that scene that make it so amazing. I always love those moments in film. I remember the first time I'm seeing Drive. Yeah. You know, in those moments where where they're looking at each other. Yeah. Carrie Mulligan and Ryan.

And just being enamored by that and all those unspoken things that are that it, you know, And then you end up projecting upon them all the ideas that are in their heads. Yeah. Yeah. And I also love that feeling on set where, you know, everything, so much is conspiring against the feeling of truth. The lights and the cameras and the entire crew looking at you. And that moment when you finally are looking into somebody else's eyes and when you feel the click of reality. Right.

And you feel that connection brewing in a way. It's a great feeling. when we first met. I remember these basically describing our first meeting. You're cheating on me with Jody and I hate you for. I'm a third wheel today. I was going to say it's the same with us, Jody. You know that. You're basically Tom Hardy in this situation. Wow. I was going to mention what an electric performer always. Like he steps on set and there is there's something palpable, fair to say. Like he's one of those guys. Definitely. And is it about kind of like the unpredictable nature that he brings or is it just, I don't know, like, what's the Tom Hardy vibe on set on a day that you're shooting

with him versus another actor? I think that there is an unpredictability, a spontaneity within his performance. I think he also, like I've said this a lot, but like, I've never worked with anyone who has such like an innate understanding of the camera and his relationship to the camera and what it wants. and you know I really witnessed that when I watched the film for the first time as an audience member I was like wow like has certain choices that he makes and what that does visually is like so powerful and stunning and can be quite profound and I'd never I'd never seen someone working that way

before and an actor not afraid to make big choices and like I mean I spent two years obsessed with the Bain voice, basically. I couldn't, like, stop it. I had breakfast with your wife. Truly. I actually did it to Tom once, and it was the scariest moment of my life. He was very sweet about it.

That was, like, when, did you ever see when Tom Hiddleston did the Robert De Niro impression? Yes, on, Grand Orden. Yeah, yeah. Amazing. So good. You're going to do your share impression

next time you see her, right? Yeah, yeah. How much time would it take you to get Austin down to do your Austin-Bowler impression? How long would it were? How long would it take to nail down the Austin impression for you? I don't know. Should we make it a project for our next meeting?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll play you in your biofair. Oh, that's good. You would be my choice. Jody Comer is Austin Butler in the event of the season. I mean, it's a billion bucks right there. What was I going to say? Speaking of voice, and I know you're talking a lot about this, but the first time,

do you remember the first time you heard her as Kathy and what did you think? Yeah, yeah, the first time, the first time was an audio that Jeff showed me. So Jeff had sent me the actual Kathy interview, and I'd listen to that over and over because it taught me a lot about Benny and their relationship and whatnot. And then he and I, we were in Cincinnati, and it was our first time seeing each other in Cincinnati, and he said, I got something to show you, and he plays me this audio recording. I said, oh, no, I've heard that. That's the Kathy recording.

And it was Jody. And it blew my mind. I mean, she was just pitch perfect. So, and then, and then being on set and seeing her be able to be that precise, but then also have freedom and to be spontaneous within something that is incredibly precise and specific. I mean, it was, it was like a master class. Is there, is there a moment, you must feel out on a limb, like, first day, first hours? Like, is there a moment where you settle in, you're like, I've committed, I'm all in. And this is what it's going to be.

And you're going to love it or hate it, but this is my... Yeah, well, it was weird, because my first day was with Mike in the house. And it's kind of like that sequence where she's putting the vinyl on and she's sitting on this, she's shouting out the window. And there was a lot of prop. There was just a lot going on in that scene. And I actually, like, she felt very present then. It was more like a couple of weeks in when I was predominantly in my scenes with Mike

just because she speaks so much. Right, right. And I did have a couple of moments of just feeling a bit lost, but I realized quite quickly that it was, because I'd had this audio and I loved it so much and I wanted to get as close to it as I possibly could, I was almost like limiting myself because it was taking me away from being present in the moment and just being like, that's who she, she was. And now this is a version of that, you know? So it was like, it was good for me to realize that. totally um as i was going along and i had a lot of trust in jeff you know i said to him i was like it's very distinct it's kind of unusual i know there's going to be days where i do this and it sounds too much or not right and i trust you to come in and be honest with me you know so i feel like when you whatever is that you're doing when you feel held by a director in that way you can play

and yeah try i'm struck by like i've had a chance to talk to jeff a lot over the years too and like his vibe is so chill he's like i mean you guys have worked with some of the best And, like, clearly, like, you're, you're chasing great directors, as you should in your career. But, like, Baz is not Jeff. Like, Ridley Scott is not Jeff. Like, they are different energies. Like, I can't imagine, like, what is the Jeff Nichols validation on set? It must be kind of pretty low-key.

Or is he, does he have a different kind of demeanor on set than when I chat with him? He's pretty low-key. Yeah. Very, what I love about Jeff is, like, Like, his films are so beautiful aesthetically, but, like, you know he's, like, his heart is with the characters and the emotional truth and integrity of the piece. You know what I mean?

So it's nice to know that you're with a kind of Otero, like, is going to create something very visually stunning and cinematic, but is really caring about, like, do I believe this? And what do you want to try? Or I don't necessarily believe that what is it you're trying to do. You know, I find that communication as an actor, like, all I want, you know, is that kind of clear direction and communication. Yeah.

Because some directors don't direct a lot. Right. In a sense of giving you notes on performance. Yeah, set up the cameras, set the scene. I've definitely had moments where I'm like, oh, okay, I feel like maybe whatever I do, you may be happy with. So I want to be very careful about what I choose to do here. Yeah. Can we talk a little bit about the themes of the film look is it's about people that are trying to find a place in the world, right?

Find a culture, find a group, which we all are, right? This is a subculture, but it's very relatable. I talk to Jeff a lot about like Goodfellas and Scorsese and it feels like that. You're diving into a quote-unquote subculture, but it's very relatable because we're all looking for that in a way. For you guys, I assume that culture, that subculture was acting. Is that kind of like where you both found security, found your place early on? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I feel like we've maybe tested on this in some of our conversations, but I, when I was first on a film set at 11 or 12, that was the first time I felt I was part of a community of like-minded people in a way. And it helped me to get out of my shy shell that I was in. Sure. And still to this day, I mean, it's such a traveling circus feeling where you go around the world and you create this family and you're all trying to serve this story as best as you possibly can as a unit, you know. Yeah. And you create a family. And it's beautiful. Yeah, and getting your sense of identity from that.

Because I sometimes like, I hate that about myself, but I'm also like, it's kind of true. That you're defined by it, but it is. Yeah, but it's also the truth. of like nothing has ever really fulfilled me in that way you know like I feel like the vandals feel of like you know they belong here and they see each other within you know the the other members of the gang and what the feeling that they get the freedom that they get from from being a part of it but also like yeah when it's all clicking right when everybody is unified like no but what I mean it's like that it must be like the best feeling where it's like we're all driving towards one direction

and we're all putting our heart and soul into it. And yeah, this is a family for the next two, three months, six months. And then I'll see you down the road on the next one. It's kind of a, yeah, it's a bizarre existence, but it's real. Were you guys both rebels growing up? What was the most rebellious? Were you grounded a lot as kids? Were you, you were good kids, I feel like.

I was a fairly obedient, good boy, yeah. But I... To get into trouble? What do you do? My biggest thing was just the, as soon as somebody told me to do something, I wanted to do the opposite. So I liked to clean my room, but as soon as my parents told me to clean my room, I did not want to clean my room anymore. Right. So that, I think that's just, there's a bit of rebellious spirit in there and that way.

Got it. Yeah. But I never snuck out of the house, but I also didn't have to because my parents were really cool. And my mom, you know, she was very much in the mindset. of, you know, if you tell me everything, I'm just going to support you through it all, and I'll love you, and I'll tell you my opinions on things, but she wasn't, you know, ruling me with an iron fist or anything.

Just the right amount of freedom. Yeah, yeah. For you, Jody, do you, would your parents agree that you were a good kid? I think on a whole, yeah. On the grand scheme of things, yeah. Yeah, I think they, I definitely have my moments. But I think they would say on a whole, I was a good kid. Yeah.

A little handful. every now, you know, maybe now and then. I mean, I definitely used to do this thing as a kid, which is awful, but, like, if I'd been, like, sign up the stairs or whatever, I would, like, stand on the top of the stairs and, like, scream, crying, and then as soon as I had my dad get up off the sofa,

I would, like, run into my room. So I did that kind of stuff, which I imagine as a parent, you're like, I'm going to... Right, right, right. So I'll let you be the judge, I don't know. No, that's on the... You're a good kid. Yeah.

Still good kids at heart. We all are. At heart, yeah. Yeah. Do you share similar movie tastes? Have you compared notes? This is why I enjoy talking to both of you for many reasons, is you both have very good taste in film, filmmakers, I would say.

Have you bonded over any films, or no? There's been some that you've mentioned recently that I've never seen. Are you aware of Jody's Shrek Club? Has she made you watch all the Shrek films? Also, Josh, you literally landed me in that with that Shrek quiz. I didn't pull that out of my ass. You claim to be a Shrek expert.

No, you pulled it out of your ass and you put me on the spot, and I, like, failed. You failed the Shrek place? But then, but then Josh at my last podcast gave me, like, a Shrek trivia. And you know when you're, like, on the spot? And then I just, yeah, yeah. I forgot everything. Anyway. You're okay.

Wait, did you hear, uh... I'm not okay, actually. That's amazing. You came back. Thank you. Wait, did you, I saw this online and I thought of you. Uh, the actress Lily Reinhart went to a Shrek rave. Did you know such a thing existed?

Did you know such a thing existed? I don't know if I love it that much. Well, you exposed me. Maybe I don't. I draw my line at Shrek raid. Yeah, okay. No longer a Shrek spurt. Yeah.

I don't think we have... You know, the most with Shrek is you commented on somebody's Shrek phone case the other day and said how much you love that. That's my first said that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's almost like, can we get a picture? And then she put a phone up and she had a Shrek case. Yeah, that's true, actually.

So what's your Shrek? What's your personal? Everyone has a personal Shrek. What's your franchise? I don't have a quiz for you. Don't worry. Yeah, I mean, the office, we just were talking about that, yeah, the American office, the UK office as well, but the American one I saw first, and it meant a lot to me. Every time I would go on location when I was 16, 17, I brought the DVDs with me, and I would play them.

And it was my comfort was watching those episodes over and over. What do you travel with now for comfort? Is there something you? It's a good, it's a good question, you know. Joey point in a way. Sorry, I'm going to pull up. Here next to do. Less work for me.

Sorry. No, I'm sidetracking. Yeah. I now bring a speaker with me and I play music and I, yeah. Sometimes, you know, somebody the other day told me they'd bring a candle, the same candle around the world. I haven't done that because I always feel like it's going to break. It's great mood light for a weird hotel room. Yeah.

You know what I mean? You don't put the weird lights on and you just put a little candle on. You're like, oh, okay. I always turn off the lights and act like a vampire. It's that guy, that creepy guy with a sound coming out of the room in the darkest. Oh, that's Austin. That's just an awesome thing. What's your comfort?

What do you bring with you for comfort? I like to take some sage or some Paolo Santo and some good tea bags. It's a little sachet of different tea bags. Okay. Because I think it's good to have options. You guys are very busy, not only doing press for this, but, wait, have you started 28 years? Yeah, I'm like in it You're in it

I'm in it when I'm not here I'm in it So that's again This is like Dune Elvis Oliver again The switch and the code switching must be crazy I know we have a long time to talk about it But like Danny Boyle Like talk about enthused

Talented epic visionary director Is such a good word actually Because that's one thing I'm really realizing Of like his playfulness And his energy And his enthusiasm And he's so innovative And his relationship with Anthony Ard the OPE

and what they're kind of playing around with. It's like, so exciting. And to be, again, to be led by someone who has that energy, it just, like, filters through every aspect of the production, you know? I mean, that first film, as you well know, groundbreaking in so many different ways. So that's the same DP. I think he worked on the original, right? I mean, shot originally on, like, consumer TV cameras, the empty streets of London.

Yeah. Are there callbacks? Is it going to feel, can you? connected to that first one, stylistically? I think so. And I think there'll be a lot of, like, just seeing what they're doing with the camera work. Like, I think there will be a lot of new, you know, it's him. You know, it's Danny.

It's like, I think he's constantly trying to find new ways. And I think just seeing where they've gone with it and all the new kind of additions and explorations, I think, I think people are going to be really excited. Yeah, Alex Garland script. I mean, exactly. It's, I'm also sworn to secrecy. So I'm like, I'm trying to find. in a way of like, you're good, you're good. We've got a long way to go.

But speaking of filmmakers, you just wrapped, I think, with Arii, right? Arias. That's right, yeah. Dude, you're, like, collecting them, like, you're collecting figurines, like, just, like, amazing filmmaker after amazing filmmaker. How extreme on the crazy Ariaster scale is Eddington? What can I say? What can I say? It's, I mean, it's from the mind of Ariasters, so you can imagine what that entails. But it, what can I say?

Joaquin Phoenix is an absolute genius. I always go back and forth. I'm going to say Emily, Emily Stone. Yes, yes. She is out of this world. And his script is something else. I mean, I'm so excited for people to see this one. Yeah.

I had the time of my life getting to work on that. Um, Austin's not going to answer any heat two questions for me. Do you have any questions about heat two for Austin? Can you be the tough? I don't, I don't want to be that guy. I do. I'm going to be that guy. I'm sorry, no, I'm like, I don't want to be the guy to, like, ask you that question again.

Um, in, in theory, we don't, this is all in the ether. We have no idea. Neither do I. You don't, okay. Okay. Okay. Michael Mann, though, a fan. Big fan.

Heat, a seminal work. Yes. What would, in theory, what would it be like to, to, inherit the shoes of Val Kilmer. I mean, I think that that film, what they did with it, is

something that inspired me a lot. And I think it inspired so many actors. And, I mean, to get to see De Niro and Pacino with each other for the first time in that way. And it's such a such an authentic film as well. visceral yeah um yeah but i i think i think any opportunity to work with a master like

michael man is uh is a gift to any actor he gets to work with him is there do you guys keep the so translation jody what do we think i don't know i you answered that very very well she didn't get fired for 28 years later you haven't been fired from heat too whether you got it or not i might be fired from my own podcast I don't know. I run it myself. How can I fire myself? I don't know.

But a couple other projects I do want to mention. You're going to work with Michael Sarnowski. Hugh Jackman, come on. I know. I'm very, very excited about that. So Hugh, I know, saw you on stage. Did that... Yeah, he did.

Did that kind of initiate this in a little bit of way? No. I was seeing to Austin before. I didn't really meet anyone after the show. Like when I was doing the play, I didn't really meet anyone after the play. But I know that he came and I kind of met him very recently in different circumstances. in different circumstances and he's so wonderful and you know and the dynamic between our characters you know it's very much them too for a lot of the of the material and I've been a massive fan of

Michaels I met him a couple of years ago and we kind of kept in touch and you know so it was amazing that when he had this new project coming out he sent it over and it's Robin Hood but it's clearly a different kind of a Robin Hood story yeah yeah yeah very different um where is stage work for both of you now. I mean, you had like one of these ones in a lifetime. I mean, that performance, you saw her on stage. It was a tour de force. It was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. The bike riders came. It was a lovely evening. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I showed up with Michael Shannon and Jeff Nichols and we watched Jody. Did that come before or after the shoot? This was after. So you were like, okay, I knew she was amazing. Yeah. It was, it was like

watching Michael Jordan play basketball. It's, you were, you're just going, I can't believe what I'm seeing right now. No, I, yeah, what's pretend she's not in the room for a second? She's out of the room. Watching her do that, it's like magic. It's like watching close-up magic. Tim's new scrambled egg loaded croissant. Or is it croissant? No matter how you say it.

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It's amazing. I mean, theater obviously has been important to you. It was kind of the changing point in your career. I can't wait to get back on it. stage. I mean, you're getting so many great opportunities in film. I get it in a way, but, like, is that something that you're trying to try and carve out time for at some point? Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm trying to find the right piece of material and right time. Yeah. I feel fortunate for all the film work I've been able to do recently, but I can't wait to get back on stage. I feel like I always asked Jodi about doing a musical. Would you ever do a musical on stage? Would you ever do a musical on stage? Yeah. The musical keeps coming up for you. Yeah. I don't know if doing a musical on stage is something I would ever... Really? too. Yeah, I'm sorry, not for you. I said, I'm not. No, I said, don't know. No, I meant for myself. Sorry. I realized that as well when I was doing the play and, oh my God, just to the work of like a musical theater

actor on stage is like, I mean, hats off to them. It's so impressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no trickery, foolery with that, you know. So impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, it's official. We are very much in the final sprint to election day. And face it, between debates, polling releases, even court appearances. It can feel exhausting, even impossible to keep up with. I'm Brad Nilke. I'm the host of Start Here, the Daily Podcast from ABC News.

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Do people talk to you about the ending Like when they see you I mean even more so now after that podcast Josh I gotta listen to this podcast I don't know why she keeps coming back Clodin for punishment Shrek quizzes I appreciate you

But yeah they do more so now I think because it like opened the floodgates a little bit Right right But it's all love I mean however they felt about it It's the love of the show and whether it's Of course And there's such a there is still such a a fondness for those characters and that story.

It's kind of amazing. I was saying this the other day. It's like, you know, there's the kind of negative of like you always being attached to something or people only seeing you as this one character, but then there's also the beauty of like, sorry, I'm waving my microphone everywhere.

Wave the microphone. I'm sorry. Wow. Thank you. It's a microphone intervention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the beauty of, you know, a character staying with people for that long and it meaning something and it resonate and yeah yeah that's how i'm

with him for shinaric chronicles i can't i can't let go that's actually a lot of people have mentioned that on this talk yeah i mean that's how we first met so i'm not gonna dig on it come on like that's again they're all important in their different ways aren't they yeah they really um all right so let's do some profoundly random questions as if what i've asked you already hasn't been profoundly random you've actually answered some of these so you're off the hook for some of these but i'll tell you which ones this one you haven't answered any uh you YouTube rabbit holes you've fallen into lately. If I catch you on the interwebs,

what's the time suck? YouTube rabbit hole. I have been watching. Well, I went through a phase of watching. There's a show that was on in the UK, like in the early 90s called Airline. And it's like a reality TV show set in an airport. This is like pre-mobile phone, pre, you know,

a lot of technology and it's just about an airline and all the stuff that goes wrong within this airline and the half an hour episodes but it's just like a fascinating thing to watch to study people and how they behave incubated kind of like a yeah yeah I was kind of like prepping for an audition and then and then I got kind of lost in it how is Jody Comer still auditioning what is going on that's my takeaway from that some you some you have to Wow. Especially with, say, like, if someone, a director works a lot with, like, improvisation, I feel like...

Sure. But that was an audition, but it was nice. I hadn't done one for a while, and it was like, honestly, it's kind of, to feel those kind of nerves and for you to have to... I mean, it's an amazing thing to be offered a role. Like, there's no question about that, but, you know, remembering that feeling of being, like,

I've got to study this, I've got to understand it, and then I've got to present what I'm, what my interpretation is, rather than it being like you get into the first day on set and being like, well, I'm going to show you. Yeah. And I hope that you like what I'm doing. In some ways, it's selling to it yourself as much as it is the director, right? Proving to yourself you can do it.

Yeah, totally. Yeah. So that's my rabbit hole. That's a very good one. You can pass if you don't have one. Just try to think of. Well, let's go to. You have one pass that you're allowed.

Yeah, exactly. Use it. Use it. She's like, he will nail you. I'm like, you would not get away with this. dogs is going to come to me we were talking dogs when we sat down dogs are cats you said you were more dogs

wait do you have a dog now did I hear this how's that going being a dog mom amazing she's a menace but I love her has this taught you some responsibility totally yeah yeah totally just putting something else before yourself it's been a big thing also having to carry so much stuff like treats and toys

and that kind of thing and her name is Villanelle Her name is Villanelle. There's an exclusive. That's an official. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go with that. You seem to be a dog guy.

You have a dog or no? Yeah, yeah. So I, yeah. My, yeah, my little guy is Milo, and he's the greatest. Okay. You guys aren't mistaken for actors ever. Last actor you were mistaken for? Does it ever happen?

I get Betty Gilpinola. Betty Gilbert. Yeah. Very talented. Yeah, I went for Lynch with her last year. when I was in New York, and we were like, yeah. We get this a lot, but I see it. I see it, and it's an honor.

Yeah, she's fabulous. There's only one Austin pot war. What do you get mistaken? I don't know, yeah. I can't remember the last time I was mistaken, but. You've been getting a lot of James Dean on this tour. Well, yeah, I mean, some people, I think it's the hair. But they, I remember Christopher Walken telling me that he gets mistaken for John Voight

every now and then. Until any words come out of his mouth, then you know what's walking. Yeah, exactly. Are you going to be a little sad when they do the next part of Dune? Fade, gone too soon. No, gone too soon. He was so much fun. Yeah.

No, yeah, I don't know. He lives with me forever, I think. Also quite nice to be able to, like, go in and experience that. Yeah. It's kind of the best of all possible ways in a way. Exactly. Who's a more problematic Villanelle or Fade? Who do we not?

want to invite over for dinner. Maybe Fade. Yeah. Fade doesn't have much. She's going to be bloody. Villanelle has her good days. Yeah. I feel like she seems kind of like innocent next to him.

She has a moral code of sorts in a way. She would definitely did towards the edge. Maybe too much of a moral code. She suddenly had a lot of them. I don't think Fade has any moral code. No, I think you win. For sure.

Or lose, depending on your perspective. Yeah. Worst note a director has ever given you. Oh. Would something get under your skin? Like, oh, this is just not helpful. This is not the right way to get. I don't, God, it's a good question.

I'm going to have to try and start remembering this is a bit more. But I feel like a universal one for actors is like the fear of a director coming in and just telling you to do less. Oh, because that means you've just makes you less. Just do less. Right. And you're like, oh, God, I was acting. You know what I mean? Yeah, I was acting, acting.

Oh, no. I feel like that's always one that makes you go, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, less. Years ago, this is not even a bad direction. It was probably good for me, but I had a director who hated when actors touched their face. And so, like, I touched my face. He cut, and he'd go, don't touch your face.

and then go back and if I touch my face and I and at a certain point I thought I touched my face so much in my real life that why isn't that a human thing to do and then it meant that it made me angry and then it made me want to rebel and touch my face more and I wonder if it's more of like a content you know he's thinking can you just not touch your face that I can edit you know right yeah but me and all the whole time just covering my face is this too much and then you become aware of it you become so aware of it yeah I feel like everybody I remember that during the the COVID times, honestly, like, because they were, you're not supposed to touch anything. And suddenly I was like, oh, wait, I'm rubbing my eyes, like every 30 seconds in my life.

Completely. What, if you were to host a podcast and fringed in my territory, what would the subject be? What could you pontificate about for hours on end besides Shrek, although we know that's not true? Wow, shots of fire. Did you feel that venom? That was the heat. I feel like this. This has been a lovely conversation.

I think we've taken up. A costner move. He did the costner. I feel like it's such a scale. I honestly don't know. I feel like I'm always so amazed with like all the new podcast coming out and what people kind of want to delve into or ruminate on and actually how kind of, kind of every day those topics can be, but are so fascinating to listen to. Sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of fun ones.

unpretentious answers because my first thought is the thing that I've obsessed about since I was a kid is acting so to talk to other actors and to say like very practical questions about how do you handle this or that is those are the conversations I love enjoy listen to having but I think that it's as an actor that's a very boring answer I mean does that happen is that like day five on set with Christopher Walken where you start to get into like actual actual questions you want to ask it depends on the person yeah yeah it depends when they sense the vibe with yeah um you know with somebody like you know there's certain actors that uh i don't do i have so much respect for and don't want to infringe on their process and i kind of just let them if they want to talk to me then i'll talk like like wakene or something like that where at a certain point then having those conversations is is um something i value so much and i'm so grateful for any moment that you can yeah you know pick somebody's brain Just hiding in the corner watching Joaquin as opposed to actually asking you the question. It's exactly what somebody wants is you're just hiding in the bushes watching.

That's my technique. You answered these before. Let's see if your answers match up. We'll end with this. In the spirit of happy, second, fused, an actor that always makes you happy. Will Ferrell. Yeah, that's good. I can tell you who you went with the last time where you want to see what pops to mind.

You did. Wow, good. Yeah. What do you? I also rewatched No. country for old men all the night. And again, as soon as he came on the screen, I was like, oh, ruddy.

Yeah, it's real. Just does something for you. Yeah. I got it, yeah. I get it. Um, a movie that makes you sad. You went animated. I did.

Mix it up. Did I? Oh my God, the Lion King. That's a good one. Yeah, speaking of animated. That was one of the first movies to really make me sad. I mean, the last time, I don't think I've ever cried anything.

then as much as I did when I watched all of those strangers. Like, that was intense. Yeah, that was built up by the end, right? Like, by the end, it was a lot. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. They didn't prepare me for that. Yeah. I would probably, at the moment, I would say that.

That was, yeah. Is that a filmmaker on the list, Andrew Hague? Definitely. Absolutely. Luca, got to be on the list for any, I feel like every actor is like what he's doing. Yeah. What he's doing is amazing. Did you see Challenger's, I see?

I haven't seen it, yeah, actually. I haven't seen it, yeah. It's awesome. intense. It's so great. And finally, food that makes you confused, guys.

I said wasabi. Which isn't really a food. Basabi makes you confused. Yeah. You don't need it? Isn't, I find it overwhelming. Well, if you snored it. You're doing it the wrong way.

It's fine. Let me show you how you. Do you wasabi. For you, Austin? Food that makes me confused. My gosh, my brain always goes blank on these types of questions. What makes me confused? What food is just not your bag?

Like, you see it on the menu. For me, I've got a laundry list. I got beets. I got sour cream. Yeah, I don't like foie gras. Is it the ethical thing or it's just taste? It's ethical, yeah. A foie gras.

A foie gras. Fagwa. Yeah, how do you put that? Fagwa. Fagua. Fagua. Yeah, I don't know how that's, yeah, being made. I got you.

Yeah, that, that disturbs. You've lost the Flaug-Rot contingent of happy, sake, if you is they're a sponsor. Oh, no. Congratulations on the bike riders, you both. Jody Comer's last appearance on the podcast, apparently. It's been a good run. It's been a good run. It's been a good run.

No, honestly, you know, I adore you both. Congratulations on the film. I'm glad you, this has been a long press door, and I really appreciate the time at the end of this to spend some time goofing around with me. It's like the cherry on the cake. Yeah, for real. Yeah. Very sweet.

All right, everybody check it out. Great movie, great actors, bike riders. And then coming soon to Broadway, bike riders on ice musical. Yes, yeah, yeah. We'll make it happen. Yeah. Let's do it. That's the material you're looking for, right?

Exactly. That's just what I want to do next. I'm going to destroy your career. Thank you both. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

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