Happy Sad Confused - Kathryn Hahn, Vol. IV

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

Kathryn Hahn has lived many lives, quite appropriate for a centuries old witch in the MCU like Agatha Harkness. Here she joins for a live taping at the 92nd Street Y to chat about AGATHA ALL ALONG, her odd TV beginnings, STEP BROTHERS, and more. #happysadconfused #joshhorowitz #kathrynhahn #aghathaallalong Subscribe here⁠ to the new Happy Sad Confused clips channel so you don't miss any of the best bits of Josh's conversations! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! ZocDoc -- Go to ZocDoc.com/HappySad UPCOMING LIVE EVENTS! Kate Winslet 9/23 -- tickets here! Zachary Quinto 9/29 -- tickets here! Andrew Garfield 10/4 -- tickets here! Anna Kendrick 10/22 -- tickets here! Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Josh's youtube channel here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I just walked out. He just saw it and turned around and just walked out. I was like, that's a good call. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy Second Fuse, we're live at the 92nd Street, Why, with Catherine Hahn, everybody. Yes.

Catherine Hahn is in the house. She is Joy Personified. You see Catherine Hahn on the screen. You are happy. I smile, unless she's making you cry. That happens, too. But she can do it all. Stepbrothers, transparent, everything and anything.

Film, TV, and now headlining her own. Disney Plus Marvel show, Agatha, all along. I'm so privileged to say she is a happy, say, a confused regular, this is her fourth time, but the first time here at 92 Y. So give a warm New York City welcome to the one and only, Catherine Hahn, everybody. Come on!

Catherine, they seem happy to see you. I'm happy to see you. We're all happy to see you. You guys, this is so nice. I miss New York. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for joining us on Friday the 13th. Talk about perfect timing, Catherine, for this show.

I know. I planned it that way. Well done. Well done. Are you a superstitious person? We're on the superstition scale. A lot of actors are pretty superstitious. Where are you on this?

I am. I had family. I grew up in Ohio. and a lot of my family lived in the southern part in this town called Wainsville, Wainsville, Ohio, their like catchphrase, if you look it up, is the second most haunted city in Ohio. Which I really want to do a documentary on.

But so, yeah, I learned a lot from my cousins there about some superstitions. And now even as I'm leaving my hat or shoes on the bed, I'm like, shouldn't have done that, but they're there. And so far You're fine I'm okay You have your own Marvel Disney Plus show

So things are going okay apparently Despite the shoes on the bed Do you have any Specific rituals before a take Before a scene Before the first day of a shoot Oh I mean Not really

Before this one we would just do a lot of I had some spell moves That I would kind of embody What is that? Well, exactly. I worked with this amazing movement coach that worked with Lizzie too because we wanted to find our own language

for each specific witch that she had her own way of having her magic so it didn't look to general hands. So that was very fun to get into the digits, I think. Once it's in the digits, as they say, in acting school, once it's in your digits. Yeah, have you dropped into your digits? That's what they say.

That's what Meisner always said, right? Always dropping your digits. So just to lay it out on the table, let's just say what this is, and then let's digest this for a moment. You, Catherine Hahn, are starring, you are the headliner in your own, again, I'll say it one more time, Marvel Disney Plus series with alongside Aubrey Plaza, Patty Lepone, an amazing ensemble. Which part of that sentence is the most bizarre for you? all of it every single one of it just to say Aubrey and Patty

in the same sentence is like enough like that's I mean Anne Sashir and Zamada and Debra Joe like they're in this and Joe Locke so this this is an incredible it's like a murderer's row of actors it's incredible but then then to have the same writer as

Wanda Vision who I love so much Jack Schaefer and the same production like team as it was Wanda Vision so the whole thing was was like a pinch me moment. It really did feel like a fever dream until we got, like the whole summer after I found out they wanted to do this

until that first day really did feel so out of body. Then we just got to the business of making it. So we were just kind of in, you know, in it, making it. And now it's starting to feel like a fever dream again too because I see these posters and it's just very like, oh my God, it feels very surreal. and every time you say it

I'm like trying to in the best possible way in the best possible way so before we dig into this series let's go back to your first interaction how you came aboard into Wanda Vision had you ever been up for anything

in the superhero land no I mean I was an animated Doc Ock into the Spider-Verse so I've had I love that movie I love those movies but so I kind of had like a little little taste in a moose bush of Marvel

but then this was like I'd never gone into their offices or had any general or met with him or anything but I was asked to go for a general kind of randomly to me and I met with Mary Levano's our amazing producer and with Lou Esposito

and met with Kevin and that day and it was just like very general and you know you hear about these meetings and you're like oh maybe you'll hear back in a week maybe maybe never or maybe three years from now like you just don't have any idea so I had no expectation

and then the next day my manager called and was like so I think they have a specific part for you like you should go in and meet with them again and it was this witch and I was like well you had me at which well and look

that was such a big swing of a show was the first Disney Plus series for Marvel and I mean obviously this whole entire crowd I'm sure loved Wanda Vision as I did It was, yeah, come on. But it was a big swing. I mean, you're recreating different tropes of sitcoms. It's also a meditation on grief.

It's superheroes. It's a lot of things. What kind of kept you moored? What kind of kept you centered on that set? Obviously, you were working with some veterans like Lizzie and Paul that kind of knew the Marvel drill. But my sense is everybody was kind of like, is this going to work?

Like, this is... Yeah, there was a really great, like, feeling of abandon because no, it had nothing like this had happened in Mars. Marvel before and the freedom that we felt from Kevin and everybody at Marvel to be able to like do something high concept like this and just trust like it just felt like we just had to throw ourselves into it with as much technique and focus and like just process as we could and that one it was almost there was a game to it to be as specific as possible to every decade and sitcoms are sitcoms so you like you know the point was to make people laugh the points to like you know have a family hearth that you watch

that's the television that you sit around and watch like there had there was a specific intention during that and so yeah that was a big swing but there was also a lot to hold on to when you found out you were getting your own theme song how big

a moment is that I mean guys it's bananas but I did I didn't think of course I did it in like 45 minutes with the Lopez is in a sound with virtually. And, you know, they had already written this incredible music, and we basically did it like karaoke. She was like, okay, now do it like Pat Benetcher.

Now do it like, da, da, da. So I think it was Pat Benichar we landed on, but it was just fun. It was just, and we had no idea, I had no idea that it was going to be a, what do they call them? Earworms? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How are you at keeping secrets?

Because one of the amusing things, when I think back to when this show was being announced and publicized, I mean, the first time I interviewed you was on a carpet promoting the film at something called D23, and you were nosy neighbor. That's all you were known as for a long time. Yeah, I was. Were you able to, did friends and family know? Because this is serious stuff, Kat. Yeah, I didn't.

You know what? It was actually I kind of liked having secrets because you, didn't have that much to answer, you just could say nothing. I pled the fifth a lot. So it made interviews a lot easier. Yeah, sorry. Not a lot of time and not a lot of content. So you're just going to walk on by. It made it much easier. Yeah, I suppose. Not for me, but yeah, whatever. I didn't even tell my kids, though. Okay. No, I really, I was so paranoid. I didn't tell me kids, I didn't tell my reps, like nobody knew anything. Yeah, I took it very

seriously. All right, so let's talk about the journey, the metaphorical and literal journey we find Agatha on this season. Where's she at? How's she doing? Well, I don't think you need to see Wanda Vision to see this show, but if you had, she's basically trapped in the spell that

Wanda had put her in at the end of Wanda Vision. And so she's without her power, she's trapped in this role as a nosy neighbor, and then these events happen. with, you know, to Wanda at the end of, you know, Dr. Strange and the multi, like, so Wanda's, maybe to her, to her knowledge, Wanda's dead. I mean, don't Wanda's dead. And she starts, there starts to be cracks in this spell, the spell bubble. And I think that that's what

kind of shakes her out of this nosy neighbor into these other genres. For her, for her, it happens to be a prestige crime drama. A woman detective with a past. Her life is her work. She only focuses on that. She really does have no life except for the job. Even if they take her badge, she's suspended for months. She's still going to go after the case.

So that was kind of what she, her energetically, was like her drive. And then once it's kind of cracked open by a couple of people, human things, whatever, mysterious teen, and also this very complicated, old, old relationship, which was very twisted and complicated and toxic maybe, but also loving with this woman Rio, that it's only through them that I start to really emerge. And then it just becomes about me trying to get my power back by any means necessary. As alluded to before, you were surrounded by a really stellar ensemble. There is no better casting.

This is destined to be Aubrey Plaza as a witch. Oh, I know. No, this is serious. She, like, she lives in Breezza. She's written, like, a children's book about a witch. Yes. She is a witch. She goes on talk shows as a witch.

Yeah. No, I know. We were laughing when she first got. I was like, you've been Sean Younging this part your whole life. But she's, she is a witch. So is Patty. I feel like a witch. I think we, I mean, Patty.

Patty's like, I'm a witch. And I believe it. She's definitely a witch. I feel like we all were witches in this coven. I feel like there's a lot of witches in here, probably. Yes. Major witch energy. Major witches.

Witch, please. Thank you. Trademarked it. Shameless, but I love it. It's already getting old, but not to me. No, nope. Singing alongside Patty Lepone is, It's like...

Relaxing. Yeah, super chill. It's like, why don't you just play basketball with LeBron James, you know, open for Taylor Swift? I know. What's that like? I mean, you, it's definitely, it's definitely like you have to do some Jedi mind tricks. But she is, again, she's a creature of the theater. So she's, it's all about lifting each other up.

She's like an ensemble through and through. So she, it was all about melting, melding our voices. together and just making this and we all have such different voices and such different like vocal backgrounds that to be able to you really had to just find your place your instrument

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Backstage, exactly. We should talk about Joe Locke because Joe Locke is killing it in the universe right now. Heart Stopper. He's so special. And very early in his career. This is one of his first role. His second piece on camera. I mean, he's incredible.

I think he's just turning he's turning 21 in like a week and a half. half. He's done, yeah, Heart Stopper. He did a play in the West End and then he did Sweeney Todd. And then I think it was this and then Sweeney Todd. Sorry.

But he's incredible. He's such a special person. So it's always amazing to see a confident, naturally gifted actor at that age. You've been acting since you were a kid. I'm curious. Catherine, what were you like? That age or

You were acting earlier than that. What were you like as a child actor? I'm gonna take you back. Lie down. Cleveland Playhouse. What? On YouTube. Oh, okay.

Okay. I can't imagine. Do you mean Hickory Hidot is on YouTube? Okay. I did a show called Hickory Hightout after being in the Cleveland Playhouse in which I played a character named Jay and I worked with two puppets named, maybe you know. Are you a true Hickory hideout fan?

That's too much. Yes, it's two names. It's Nutso and Shirley Squirley. Sure. Yeah. And they were in a tree house and I would go to ask questions to, I would knock on the treehouse and there would be an owl puppet named Noad Owl. And I would be like, Debrace is hurt. Or like, my parents are getting divorced and they would take care of. they would take care of me.

You know what the only thing better than talking about Hickory Hideout is? It's watching a clip from Hickory Hideout. You're a sneaky bastard. Let's take a look at Hickory Hideout, everybody. Let's do it. Hi. Is everybody ready to play table tennis? Well, now that's a game I've really mastered.

Hi. Oh, wow, look at Jenny. Your hair looks nice. Thanks, I had it done. It's still the same, but at least it's a little different. Does Wayne still want to play table tennis? Sure. He's got the game all set up.

Come on, go. Let's go. I'm lucky to be me. I'm lucky to be me. You're lucky to be you. You're lucky to be you. It didn't take as long to discover that was true. I like me as I am

I like you as you are The way we are is fine We'll be ourselves in all we do Do you feel stoned right now After watching that As I do Yeah we are all in a trip together tonight Okay I'll have to take this trip

How do you feel? Okay. Ooh, I feel a lot of feelings right now. First of all, she really knew how to face the camera. That was what she knew. She loved to shake her knit sweater with a turtle, and that haircut was the cut. It was the way to go.

The puppeteers who played Nutso and Shirley Squirley, I do remember, I think I was like, I can't remember exactly how old I was, but I think sixth to eighth grade, they were like best friends that lived together and chain smoked. And I was always like, gosh, this is a hardcore life, a puppeteer.

Welcome to showbiz, kid. Them underneath the ping pong table just always dig down, crouched, mad. Just seemed so, but I loved them. What was the ultimate dream? of teenager, 20-year-old, as you're getting started in your career. What did you imagine, at best, the career could be?

Well, it started so before this. Like, I think I must have been in kindergarten, and then it was like the playhouse and working with this. That's back when, like, regional theaters had, like, rep companies, so you would see them play Macbeth one night and noises off the next night. It was the same group of actors. So that thrill was,

is like baked into my bones somehow like the ability of being able to switch genres and tone and playwrights and all of it night to night with the same group of people so that had been in me for a long time

what's weird is whenever I'm asked that question of like did you always want to be an actor and I honestly want to say yeah I did I had no other thing I had ever wanted to do I would sometimes pretend to be like a marine biologist to like try it on but like I didn't see what I couldn't imagine what it was going to look like I didn't

know where it was going to end up I had no like you know like I'm gonna be style like I had none of that I just wanted to act I thought maybe I would be doing regional theater and be very happy or do and then when I got to New York it was like oh my god I'm going to be doing I'd be happy to do you know off off of Broadway stuff like I just never saw I just didn't anticipate anything and so that's why this is all such a weird dream. Well, and it has been unpredictable. I mean, even, like, coming out of drama school, I guess the first giant kind of opportunity

is a double-edged sword. It's an amazing thing to get a network show, and you're on Crossing Jordan for a number of years. Crow Joe! Crossing Jordash. And I know from talking to you in the past, my guess is that in some ways, yeah, amazing opportunity and rewarding,

and I'm sure you love the people, but it's also a bit of a gilded case. in some ways. You're seeing your contemporaries kind of do the artsy work, the theater, the cool indies, and you're probably making good money, but you're in one lane. Is that fair to say? It is very fair to say. I was in it just as a guest star, and then it just kind of kept blooming and blooming, and all of a sudden it was a regular, and I was like doing this crime procedure, procedural, which I, I mean, I loved that cast, I loved being in it. I was definitely playing a grief counselor in the morgue, which is a role that I don't think exists in real life.

But I, and I remember I had tattoos for so long, and then all of a sudden, like the next episode, they were like, Lily, your tattoos. And I was like, yeah, didn't I tell you I had them removed? And also, I'm starting to be like a, like it was like a real quick character switch in one episode. Um, so, but yeah, I know what you mean. I didn't, it wasn't like I was comparing myself to anybody else. It was just, And I was paying off like a shit ton of student loans. Like there was so much. I was kind of buried in them.

So I was very grateful. And, but I definitely did feel that feeling of like, ah, I can't wait. I never saw myself as an ingenue or that I was like, you know, I never saw myself that way. And I think I had so much to do with self-worth and da-da-da at that moment. But like I just was grateful and also to your point, did feel restless.

As grateful as I am for that, I was really chomping at the bit to start it all. It didn't feel like I was I felt like, oh, this could be just like, you know, those shows went 23 episodes a year. It's a lot.

And you're doing film work through those years and you're kind of doing some of the best friend roles and that kind of a thing. Right, on the hiatus. And then it seems like, I mean, if you're going to program a double bill in a single year, do Revolutionary Road and Step Brothers in 2008. I mean, come on.

I mean, that's all you need to prove your range right there, those two films. That was a dreamy summer. And also really did do something. It felt like that childhood me was able to finally happen. Like to be able to go from the anarchic, anarchic comedy of Adam McKay and feel that freedom, which I really changed me as a performer, or even going forward to anything else genre-wise.

Like, that kind of way of working blew my mind. Not to be so polite, I guess. Or, like, be on the mark or have to do something right. You know what I mean? Like, just check off the good actor part just to be, like, there and available and just try to be, you know, you had to listen incredibly, incredibly well

because you didn't know what was going to be thrown at you. And then Revolutionary Road, which was very tightly, like incredibly composed, incredibly detailed. The writing was so specific and gorgeous. And there's also a crazy freedom in that. So it was a really fun summer. Of those two, I mean, I love a revolution I wrote,

but I'm obviously gonna show a stepbrothers clip, I'm sorry. They showed my son who's like, he's 17, he went to a party, like a house party or what other kids called. And he walked in, and one of the, the rooms they were showing stepbrothers and he said i just walked out he just saw it and turned around and just walked out i was like that's a good call i was going to say like are your teenagers like the only teenagers on the planet that cannot appreciate a marvel show and stepbrothers

or can they disassociate can they separate the mom out of it i i think it's really hard to separate the mom out of like stepbrothers but i think but i think but i think with the marvel stuff it's It's fun. Like watching Wanavision together as a family was because I didn't tell anybody about it. So we really watched together in real time and that was very fun. So, I mean, there's just always this cliche that sometimes isn't sadly a cliche about actors and like, oh, at a certain age, it's going to dry up. You're not going to have opportunity or roles. And it's fascinating to look at the decade for you of your 40s, which is an amazing decade of work. Again, the variety, and this is just a small snapshot.

on TV from Transparent to Perks and Rec. Big film comedies, like the Bad Mom's Films, where the Millers, and these great kind of like indie dromedies, whether it's Captain Fantastic, Private Life, Afternoon Delight. It's striking, and not many actors have that kind of range and opportunity. I guess my first question about that broad subject is, like, were you stealing yourself? Had you heard that about an actress's career,

and were you kind of stealing yourself for what was to come at a certain age or not? Is that something in your mind? No. And I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that I, the chapter in which I was asked to bring my whole self to with these incredible women, writers, directors, was, happened to be the chapter post-children.

So that kind of, any kind of idea, I had about invisibility or whatever was not there. And it's only gotten richer and richer the stuff I've been able to play. So I really don't feel, I haven't felt that. And I don't think a lot of women have felt that. I feel like it just, more and more parts are available because this is an audience that is hungry

for those stories to be told. And that's why I even think in this show at Agatha, I think it's so moving to me that it is about women. I want to, like, it's almost like for young women, you want to say like, hey, you know how there's the maid and mother crone in that heckett? So that the crone, we hold all women all the time. We hold the maiden, the mother, and the crone in us all the time.

They're always there. And heading toward the crone, that is actually our most powerful part of ourselves, because that's the wisest. yes that that's the and that's the wisest part and that's when all the superficial currencies that we thought we had are looks or tension from whatever like all that stuff starts to fall away and it's just she who knows and that's a pretty powerful place to be

who are the filmmakers or writers that you feel have most kind of opened you up like opened your world open your mind in your career well I would I would definitely say Tamara Jenkins because she is so she fills the screen with such detail and care and her every little inch of a screen has been investigated too deeply and so I really respect her openness in her writing and her passion is a director and filmmaker and it's also beautiful like she just She knows herself so well. She knows what hears right, what hears right. What hears right.

What sounds right. Like, I'm blown away. And, you know, I think also the collaborations I've had with Joey Salloway have been really opening in those ways. Because I was also like the same DP. We'd work on I Love Dick and Transparent together. Oh, really? Yay! But so that, we all kind of like found this language of working that just really was awesome.

And also, look, I mean, it's always a privilege for any actor to be in projects that touch culture and really transcend. I mean, something like transparent. Yes. I mean, I would imagine the interactions you have based on that are pretty intense and powerful and special. This episode is brought to you by Square. You're not just running a restaurant, you're building something big. And Square's there for all of it. Giving your customers more ways to order, whether that's in-person with Square kiosk or online.

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It does feel like some of the work that I enjoy the most that you've gravitated, towards as like either comedy's injected with drama or drama injected with comedy like that's where the juicy stuff is always because that's what that feels the most human is that it's it's not one or the other like we don't live in the black or the white it's like that messy gray that we just are and i really am attracted to women that are um that are unabashedly in that space of constantly so weirdly it like that that chapter kind of I feel like led me to the witch like she was in there the whole time brewing because

there is something about the grayness and mysteriousness of a witch's intentions and there's something about all of those colors in a cackle that I really I don't know connect with

so in the years as you've now grown to understand and know more about this character is there stuff in the comics that you have even pitched to Jack, the creative team, to say it would be cool to explore this at some point. Of her in the comics? Yeah. No, because this was such its own bird, but, I mean, she's open.

Is, I mean, do you view her hero or villain? What is Agatha now? I mean, I keep saying, like, I think that she's, all she has real main character energy yes so I think that even in Wanda vision she thought she was the star but I I don't know I wouldn't say that I don't know her intention she's just a she has a lot of you know she wants what she wants and she'll get it by any means necessary she's like deplicitist she's a sadist she's wicked funny she

hates feelings and she the idea of working with other witches is like disgusting as I understand that again the comics she's been many different things she's been the governess I think for the fantastic four she was a nanny could you imagine Agatha taking a turn

and being a governess for a nanny for the fantastic four kid listen she's had to do a lot of things to survive who Who would you like, I mean, we need to see Agatha at some point on the big screen, obviously. No-brainer. Who do we want to see? I feel like there are so many options. Dr. Strange and Agatha could have an interesting conversation.

Yes, that would be fun too. Well, because these are, like, I keep thinking about witches, and this is the first time an old-school learned-ed witch that learn from their mother's covens, their grandmother's covens. Like, these are the first witches that are, like, rooted to the earth. You know, the Scarlet Witch is so untrained. You know, she's just born with this incredible chaos and magic. So, I don't know, I think that witches are a really great, a really great way in anywhere. And I also, that's why when it was a witch that I was proposed to

to enter the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I was like, it really felt wicked step-sistery. Like we were getting away with something. Like we were coming in through like a side door, all of us. We were like, don't know what I mean? Don't mean? Because it really did feel like when is someone going to pull the plug. Yeah. Excuse me, Mr. Captain America.

I'm going to come in over here. Yes, exactly. But I do think that there would be a lot of potential fun in just dropping a witch into any grouping of Avengers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How plugged in are you, maybe you were before, but like, now we know Downey's back as Dr. Doom and there's going to be two Avengers movies.

Like, are you just like us kind of learning this as it goes, or are you? Oh, yeah, yeah. No one tells anybody anything. Yeah. So I, yeah, completely, completely, all of it is a complete delightful surprise. You're always a busy lady. I know you're in a project that sounds really cool to me. This is from Seth and Evan.

Oh, it's going to be funny. Evan Goldberg, Apple Show, the studio. Tell me, what can I know? What should I know? Yeah, it's called the studio. It's about a fictional Hollywood studio that's scrambling to, this might sound familiar to some, but it's struggling to maintain the balance between, you know, big blockbusters making money and small, award-worthy small films.

And so there's a constant struggle between in that tension. in the show. So I play a marketing I play them head of marketing excuse me. Congrats, yeah. And I really want to keep my finger on the pulse of pop culture. So I got a lady at Sacks. That keeps you plugged in. Yeah.

Yeah, that's your, yeah, obviously. Yeah. And Seth and Evan are amazing are amazing and such dear humans. Catherine O'Hara is in it. It was like an idol, an idol. Brian Cranston, who's hilarious. Ike Berenholz, Peach, and then the cameos are bonkers.

Sure. It's really fun who said yes to showing up as themselves. So, on a scale of 1 to 10, how plugged into pop culture is Catherine Hahn? Oh, huh. I mean, I will try to make jokes to my daughter and she's like, that's been over for so long. I know you're watching a chimp documentary, excuse me. Yes.

That's top of your list right now of Muslin Rex. I got one more episode of Chimp Crazy, yes. I highly recommend it. Are you a Swifty? What's your bag, musically speaking? It felt like when I said Swifty. You didn't even know what I was saying. I was like, no, I definitely went to see Taylor Swift with my daughter and I was crying.

I loved it, and then I saw all stuff with my daughter, I guess. Well, I went to see Olivia Rodrigo with my daughter and her friends, which was actually gorgeous. I just didn't say, actually, it was amazing, but who opened for her, and this made me respect her even more, was the breeders. I was like, what? And, like, we were the only people rocking out, and I was like, this is lost on you, people. This is the breeders. How would you define, I feel like you have probably a really, cool level of fame. Like you've got like really warm. I feel like you must get

nice warmth. I have really great. Yeah, the people that, you know, recognize me are so freaking sweet. I like my fans. You don't, too. You probably don't get, yeah, you don't get like the TMZ question at the airport. No. Not that. You're right where you need to be. No. Yeah. TMZ's like, get out of the way. Because I know it's going to be nothing except being like, like, No, I lost my shoes, so these are my Birkenstocks. Have you seen Chimp Crazy? Yeah.

No, I can't answer that, but I want to talk about chimp crazy if you're down. I mean, we keep talking about this amazing breadth of your career. It seems like every conceivable genre you've touched on. Is there any genre that has left to be mind for Catherine Hahn? Have I seen, I don't know if I've seen the full on musical. You obviously sung, you sing in this, full on musical, Western, What do we need? I thought you were going to be.

We haven't seen the football, Catherine. I need you as Travis Kelsey in the biopic. I don't know. I'm telling you, I've just been able to like, where if it goes, it goes. Like, you know, to me it's like, I don't know. It's always like the writing or the director or the people involved or the just like, you know, feeling of feeling that you want to just jump into the abyss with it. just simply witch

like all of that it's just kind of in the soup there's a lot of stuff I'd love I mean you know there's a lot of genres I love I love horror so we were I love horror so like this was fun to be able to kind of like meditate on and play with a lot of different kinds of

horror are you ready for the happy say I confused profoundly random questions Catherine Hahn I don't know but I'll find out soon you'll be fine you'll be fine you'll be fine dogs or cats oh that's a really hard

decision I can't choose between those two children I mean what do you own at home I own both so that's what I mean I have two dogs and two cats they're all rescues

they're so cute we have one dog though who we were told was when we adopted him was a lab carrier mix, and then we did the DNA test, and he is a, he's a chihuahua pit bull. It's an easy mistake. That happens a lot. Yeah. Does it make sense now in retrospect? I mean, I can't think about it that hard because the mind reels.

Do you collect anything? What do you collect? Oh, I collect snow globes, little ones from airports. Really? Yeah, I do. Little memories from cities. Okay. Countries, towns.

Just open up one door in the Han home and you see just wall-to-wall snow gloom. Oh, it's got a glass door on it. It's very proud. I'm very proud of it. Also, one and five make it home. I mean, four out of five make it home. And the others, I open on my suitcase. I'm like, ah, just shards of guns.

glass and glitter. It's a bummer. Not the most practical keepsake, but it's worth it. No, it's not, but when they survive, that makes them even more spash. What's the wallpaper on your phone? I was like, what's wallpaper on my phone? Do you own a phone?

I own such an old one, and my kids have to tell them how to use it. Like, they literally will write notes for me in the phone being, like this one in all caps I'm like what is this and I press this one and it's just so that their phone numbers come up as in my notifications because I've asked them so many time no I think it's a picture of me and my hubby which is really sweet oh ha ha you're not you're not you're not you're not on social media at all you never have been that's why you're a sane well-adjusted human being apparently that's why I have my finger on the pulse that's right What's the worst note a director has ever given you, Catherine?

Oh, a worst note. I would say something in the ballpark of asking, sometimes as a director will ask you to do exactly what you just did. Like, they forgot that they just saw it. So they want to, they think that they're, and they're like, okay. But like, it's because they're inspired by what, what just happened. so they want to, I guess, repeat it again. But you're like, but we just did that, I think.

But they're presenting it as brand new. Yeah, because I honestly don't think they think it's brand new. Right. So you want to give them respect, but also be like, are you losing your mind? Do you want to hit the rewind button? Because I think I just gave it to you. But then you do it because you have to.

And always, you learn more anyway when you do it again. And finally, in the spirit of happy, say I confused, who's an actor that always makes you happy? Always makes me happy. I would say, I mean, Paul Giamati always makes me happy when I see him, always. And, I mean, there's a couple of them that you're just like, you just can't stop smiling.

John C. Riley. Paul Rudd makes me laugh. Just seeing his mug makes me laugh. A movie that makes you sad. Oh. I mean, always Sophie's choice, because it's hardcore. Menari really made me sad in like an unexpected way. I would say,

I mean there's so many good ones last year I mean I have so many I can't remember anything but so I'm going to say a zone of interest like really killed me yeah that got under my skin and like a ooh good one and finally just as important a food that makes you confused you see it on the menu I don't understand why do people eat that it's not for me what is this about

Tripe. Oh. Is that like, is that intestine? It's stomach lining. Yes, no, yeah. I'm just think like, no, thank you. But to people, it's a delicacy. So, fine.

To each his own. To each their own. Just not for me. Tripe jerky. Maybe I could dig into that, but like just seeing a spongy tripe, no. Yeah. We had the Hickory hideout clip, but I do not have tripe jerky for you ready today. So I'm one for two.

It's been a long press store for you. You're spreading the good word all around the world, so I really appreciate you taking the time in New York City tonight. I've always wanted to do this. So thank you for having me. The show, of course, is Agatha all along. Spread the good word. Give it up one more time, New York City.

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